Do we have a golf report online? Paul, I believe is going to join us remotely. Thumbs up, he says. Who? Patrick. Time. All right. The Grand Marray Park and Rec board meeting of Tuesday, October 7th is
in order in the absence of its chair. Uh we will defer to the chair should he arrive late. Any comments on the October meeting agenda as distributed? It's pretty spare. Are there any comments on the minutes
from the last meeting? As Ruth, there is one typo in the middle of the middle paragraph and that's all I saw. Bib, can you help me out with that? Bob, where I didn't bring my copy, but I
I think it is it evaluate our application. There you go. Yeah, it says evaluate. Oh, I see it. Yep. It didn't affect the overall sense of the meeting or the minutes. Unless there are comments, the agenda and the minutes are approved as
circulated. The golf report. Dave, do you think? Yeah, Paul's on. Paul's on. Oh, Paul. There he is. You're on. He's being transported. There he is. Hello, Paul. Paul.
Yeah, I can hear you. Yep, you're live. Kind of a weird program here. I'm not seeing I'm just seeing a little bit. Um, yeah. How's everybody doing? Very good. Thanks. Am
I Do you want me to proceed here or where are we at? Why don't you go ahead? Well, yeah, we don't we don't have Steve here yet. So, go ahead. Steve's not there yet. Okay. Not yet. Well, yeah. Um, yeah. Basically, we're we're in the midst of closing the course
kind of it's a traditional thing for you get into October and people want us to keep it open for as long as they can. And so, we were kind of pretty much open all last week. Um business was uh really weird really. I mean it's really cut off
but it's still we still did a little bit of business on the weekend right now. It's just some of the members that come every day. Uh, you know, so we're we're really aren't we're kind of doing clean up in in the clubhouse and we are uh uh
you know, we're out tending to all the things we have to do for the course, the and the and the equipment to get it ready for uh to be put away for the winter. So, that's kind of what we're doing. We've got um I don't know, we're going to be working probably through the next two weeks
doing doing stuff like that. So, we'll we'll be there. I think, you know, I'm going to be punching the greens, I think, probably uh sometime in the next four or five days and I I have to do some more spraying and just a lot of stuff that uh
so for for all practical purposes, the you know, the playability of the course is going to change, but but overall we had a really good really really good positive season. Um our numbers are up. Course is in really good shape.
Uh, so that's kind of it. We're I'm still struggling with uh trying to get closure on our cart deal. I had I had some cars lined up for us to purchase and uh I've got I've got a few cobwebs on that on
that deal. So, I've also got I've also got some quotes coming from the club car representative for for new carts. Um anyway, we're going to keep the the new cart acquisition thing going. I'm just not sure if it's going to be we're going to be able to get these used ones or if
we'll just go back to buying, you know, as much as much uh used ones as as the budget allows. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So, um yeah, that's about it. The other thing I've got to get paperwork in
for um grinders. I I'm wanting to I've got a set of grinders that I'm wanting to propose selling to the to the golf course. Um so really I just got to get I mean it's it's uh it'll be interesting. But the the interesting thing about the
grinders is that they're they're really good grinders and the value that that I'd be selling them at, you know, they would I already called to order. We are in order. Oh, they're going to they're going to hold
their value for for a long time. Uh it's something that we functionally have to have. I'm just I just have to get paperwork for so everybody knows what a new set cost and and kind of a um some uh some recent sales on grinders, that sort of so that we know that we're we
have a fair deal going here. But um yeah, there's a lot of stuff I've got going here this last month to to button up and and get squared away. So um right now I'm off. I I do in October I do a few other courses with our my aine
machine and I'm going to be doing it on our course here in probably about Friday this week. I'm also going to be doing some spraying. Um so uh yeah, that that's kind of it in a nutshell. I I guess I'd be doing a
summary probably in early November. I'll be able to gather up all my information and do an executive summary. But um yeah, all in all, I think things went, you know, the as far as uh what we had to output for
spending and I, you know, I think we're definitely in line on our on our budget there. Um, and then we we we've got a kind of all-time high for what we've hit for uh revenue income. So that's that's you know continues with
the positive growth in in our um in the golf activity up there. Yeah, great job, Paul. Great season. Record revenue. Cool. Steve, do you want to take the chair? Well, I'd be delighted if you're
prepared to give it up. I will I I will yield to my colleague. The chair wishes the minutes to reflect that that member Aldrich showed up about five minutes late and that fortunately the uh there were people here to run the meeting until I got here and thank you
all. Yeah, it was actually as a consequence I'm going to sign myself 30 push-ups to do when I'm able. Don't count on that being tomorrow. All right. So, we finished the golf report. Anybody else have questions or
comments with Paul? Are there any capital issues with the golf report? And you're going to be closing this weekend, do you think, Paul? Yeah, we are. Yeah. Okay. Paul, are you going to buy anything this year or do you need our approval on anything or Yeah, that that's what I was talking
about. these grinders that I've got. I've got to get a um some pricing so that you can see some comparable uh equipment for the grinders and then um and then uh as far as the uh as compared
to what new equipment would be so that you would know that what the you know retaining value of the equipment would be. So I think I think it's definitely we're in a good position there. And then the other the other fact is basically if we don't have that equipment then we're we have to we'd have to have our reels
uh contract ground by somebody and that would be basically that's going to be $4 to $5,000 every year. So um you know we we definitely got enough reels to be you know servicing our own equipment here.
Do you have any idea what the what the range of possible purchase prices we'll need to pay for the grinders? It's well I'm looking at $25,000. It's a there's a bed grinder and then a reel
grinder. Those are kind of the pair. That's you need both of those to do the get the whole units functional. And those will those will work on all of our reels. We've got I think we've got like 19 reels that we grind every year. Um
and then um yeah, the other thing is it's in a it's in a travel trailer. Uh they were basically the they were originally these grinders were originally demonstrators for uh selling to end users. Um so they're it's in an enclosure right now.
So there's um something in there. I think there's a couple thousand bucks for the the um the trailer, but it's a it's a nice situation because the um the grinding is about the dirtiest job that there is. There's lots of fine metal
dust and uh so, you know, you almost have to build a room uh for it that's, you know, apart from your shop or anywhere where you normally are so that it's not contaminated. But um anyway, so that being in that trailer enclosure
takes care of uh all that all those issues. Okay. Well, we'll get a more precise number from you down the road as I understand it. Yeah. Anything else from any other members? Well, the um the other equipment I was
looking at was the carts. I've got I got a proposal from I've been talking to the superintendent at one of the golf courses I work with and um uh they had they were trading out their carts. they're updating and so I was trying to get intervene and get those cards for us
before they're traded in. And so I talked to them about price and how many of those we wanted and all that. Um, so I've been sitting on that and we're, you know, I think, you know, we pretty much got, you know, it's it's in my budget to get it. And so I I I
kind of told the guys to that I wanted to get this papered up and and get this thing going and and uh at that point there's a there's a president of the golf course evidently that's that's uh he's the one that I needed to be talking to, not the uh superintendent. So I've
got to call into him. might need to talk to him and see what he's got in mind for these carts because uh you know I'm not I don't really want I know what they're worth worth to us and uh so that's kind of what what we proposed to them so I don't really want to bury off that number. So, I don't know if that one's
alive or dead, but um anyway, that would that would involve uh getting us uh 12 more carts, 12 more used carts, and then if I'm if I go the other route, which is buying
uh new cards. I've got uh the rep is uh from club cars supposed to send me a proposal on new cards so that we know where those are priced at and then I'll just buy what I what my budget allows for those. Otherwise, it's just a lot more slower and painful. We've got Oh,
we've got these older carts are they're kind of it's kind of getting to be a boneyard over there. It's I mean, they're kind of they're unsightly because they're so old, you know, but they're um they're they're uh failing one after another. I think we've got
three of them running now. And we have uh kind of three more kind of sitting that that aren't aren't working and have various problems and you know I don't know if we're going to be repairing those or just using them for parts or whatever but they really don't have have
any value at this point Paul those are the white carts that don't have windows on them. Am I right? Yeah. We what we've been using for is people that come at the very end of the day, want to take a cart, we let them use we we rent them those carts and then
they can put the key in the uh the the night receptacle for keys. And um that's what we've been doing with those rather than I don't like leaving the new new equipment outside overnight. We have a shed that we put them in.
Okay. Anything else? Thank you, Paul. Thank you. Thanks, Paul. Thanks, Paul. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Next item on our agenda, which I gather you approved as distributed. Yeah. Is the city council report.
Yep. Um our last city council um was kind of a short report. We just basically went through our new city insurance uh policy. And then the other item that was on the agenda was the relief grant from the Minnesota DNR that
we that we received in 2024. And basically what that was um to develop an urban forest management plan. And so that was completed. Um, and the vision of that, so that you understand what that actually is, is the
tree board's vision of the urban forest management plan is to take us out 10 years on how we're going to manage um, basically the trees. It's a management plan like this. I'm sure this is on our website now, isn't it? The city website.
Uh, if people want to see that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, if you guys want to read about it, it's on the city. Anyway, we completed the forest management plan which basically goes through and identifies all the
species of trees within our town. um the condition of those trees, which trees may be needing replacement, areas that are troublesome with bad trees, dead trees,
um you know, pretty much anything you can think of in the tree vision of the community, sizes of the trees, age of the trees. Um, so basically what this why we did this
was to set us up for what page was that on here? working with the DNR. And what it does is it it gives us a
rough idea of how much money the city would have to participate in along with property owners, private within the community to keep a healthy tree structure within our town.
And the end result of this is that the the centerpiece of the plan includes seeking 495,000 worth of Minnesota DNR relief grant funding to support community members with removal and pruning of large trees that
pose potential hazards within our city. Um, so it's now we can um see if we can seek some monies to help with this. Um, it also projects out how much per year
or within a 10-year period, how much money it costs to maintain live trees within a community. And it it's I don't think people really realize it, but it does add up to quite a bit of money. You know, when you start replacing trees, planting trees, how
many trees we need to replant each year, where they're going to go, the species, especially, you know, if we're changing type of species that are hardier now because of the weather that we get. But so anyway, it was kind of an interesting
very um detailed presentation that Shane Steel had given us on this. So uh that's pretty that's pretty much the
main piece of the uh city council meeting last last the last city we had last meeting we had. Most of those 100 foot killer spruce are in my yard. They're they're huge things and they go
up forever and the house is just waiting and a lot of them are are dying and well and a lot of them are injured. They're old. Yes. Yeah. We've got a big birch tree by my house. The one that's right by my house, like
2 feet away from my house. that big birch. I was looking at it today and the middle of it dead. The sides are good, but the middle. So, I know that's got to come down and that's going to be There's a lot of trees like that around town. Endanger houses. They endanger houses
and they also endanger a lot of our utility lines that especially that are running up some of these alleys that we don't have access to to drive on, but there's still power lines going through them, you know. Yep. So this is a good start to start
assessing those of what we want to do to keep that power going in our city. Yeah. Will there be involvement of private property owners trees other than uh paying attention to ones that need to be removed so they don't break something or somebody?
Yeah. I'm not I'm not sure how I mean as far as money available or just is there any involve but a private well I think this whole thing depends on city and private because obviously
a lot of our trees are not on just city property or you know wreck park or you know a lot of our trees are in blocks and neighborhoods on private land and um you know we want identify ones that are dangerous and ones that need to
be replaced replaced and work with property owners to get that done. And presumably not every tree that's dangerous is replaced, at least not in the same place. No. Or it might be replaced with
something a different species of tree or in a different location even. Right. Other thoughts from the members? Just our house is surrounded by huge huge spruce. Yeah,
they're really pretty till they fall and then the wind blows, you know, and you just really worry about them. So, that's pretty much all I have from the uh city council meeting of September 24th.
Anybody have any other thoughts about city business? That's in the newspaper, too. this this week that forestry Yeah. report. Yeah. Okay. The next item on the agenda is the parks report which we have in front of us the written version but why don't you
go ahead and summarize it for the minutes. Yeah. Thanks Steve. So just update on revenue wise. September was pretty flat actually slightly down 1% versus 2024. Not surprising because 2024 was one of those banner Septembers. It was really
nice last year and we made more money than ever last year. So, I was relieved to come up almost even as it was a really wet cold start to the month, but then a nice hot dry finish. So, things are still on track. We're doing well. We're up about 2% versus last year. Uh,
as we've been saying all summer though, that's, you know, indicating a dip in occupancy. Rates were up 5%. So, if we had flat occupancy, we'd be up 5%. if we had had gained on occupancy, we'd really be up. But unfortunately, we dipped. Um, but no, no worries with the
budget. We had a projected budget of 1.76 million. We've already reached that. We're year-to date at 1.78. Uh, I did some quick extrapolating of what we made last year in from October through December was about 180,000. So,
you add those two numbers together. I'm projecting a finish this year of 1.96 uh which I think will be very good news for the city council as uh that's approximately 200,000 over projection. Uh we've been meeting online and on site
with uh engineers from Stantech. This is initiative Mayor Benson Spirit Head. The Great Lakes Restoration Initiative granted $120,000 of funding, federal funding to work with coastal cities on shoreline erosion and climate
resiliency. So, we're targeting Boulder Park, uh the adjacent seaw wall, particularly the seaw wall, as we know, the waves tend to sweep that corner down by the Superior Trading Post. Over the past many years, we've seen shoreline erosion there. We've had to repair
behind the wall. The wall's aging. It's got some holes in it. And so Stantech is the engineering firm right now. They're doing analysis of waves and soils and storm water. And so it's kind of a
data-driven study right now to develop some green based solutions, some natural buffering, that sort of business. not steel and concrete but nature-based solutions are what we're targeting for
this corner. Um but throughout this process we the city are you know keen to incorporate the larger vision for the point. The Coast Guard facility is obviously under study right now to be transitioned to the city and the Coast Guard parking lot itself is no longer a
boat launch parking lot as we've transferred that agreement across the bay. And so the is kind of all lining up for soon. I would say as the city council prioritizes uh for the coming years, the Coast Guard point will be a
priority for master planning and we'll have some good data as to like what the waves are doing along the wall, how we can improve that area to meet the needs of the all the interests in mind here. We've got Boers that use that wall. We've got pedestrians obviously strolling through
Boulder Park quite a bit. pedestrians walking down the road of Broadway, something we touched on last month. So, I thought here would be a good chance to just say, "Yep, we're working on it. If we want a sidewalk on Broadway, we got to work with the county." Steve, I know you wanted a map of the area. Did you
see that on the emails or you want this now? It's, you know, I just made one copy because I think we're all pretty familiar with what we're looking at, but yeah, it's a work in progress. And the schedule with Stantech is um, you
know, monthly meetings, monthly check-in meetings. They hope to have a concept plan put together by about January. And we'll have that to react to. We'll do public involvement around that plan. Uh, obviously the park board will be able to review that and get that out to the
public for further review. The sidewalk you're looking at would be a continuation of this walk down here at the bottom. No, it'd be a long Broadway actually. Like there's no sidewalk currently on Broadway after Cobblestone Cove where those condos are.
So right now, doesn't Broadway go down here? It's this road right here. Oh, I see the Oh, right now the sidewalk goes to about here. Okay. And so, you know, folks are in the road right out front of the the custard shop and the Boulder Park parking lot. Okay. But it's a county road, so we'd have to
work with the county on the sidewalk there. Not that we can't. We just need to incorporate it into a bigger master plan. Uh, any questions on that project? Who will own the point when it's done? City. The city will. And will it be a parks
department problem? I don't know. problem. No, it'd be an opportunity. Will it be a parks department asset? Possibly. Possibly. Wow. You know, Boulder Park, yes. The parking
lot city property. The Coast Guard will soon be city property. Whether what department looks after it, I don't know yet. Is the building um historical? It is on the register. Mhm. And I believe they're currently doing like the EI or the environmental
assessment of it to determine, you know, for hazardous materials and what remediation would be needed. That's at the federal level before they would be able to transfer the, you know, ownership. They're they're doing their due diligence of study for
hazardous materials. And with the history, you can expect, you know, lead, asbestous, that sort of business. Two Harbors has some sort of a bed and breakfast associated with its old lighthouse and the lighthouse keepers property. Is there any possibility that
something like that might be done either directly by the city or by contract? You know, it's possible, Steve, but that's I think part of that bigger community discussion of what should we do with this property? It would I would think that given its location, it would command a substantial rent.
I already got dibs on the top floor, so So, um the parking lot you said, you know, since you moved everything across, uh the the bay for boats and stuff and this was striped for truck trailer. Yeah. It Do you have to wait for
everything to go through to actually restripe it? Because you said you could probably get more parking, better parking. We really we could, you know, if we wanted to, we could restripe it today. Okay. But no, the state of the Batuminous is in a you know 25 30 year
old like deteriorated. There's some sink holes out there. There's the real roughness to it because it's you know cobblestone and I think there's a lot of inflow underneath it. And so that's really why we're looking at needing a bigger master plan to address like
reshaping that entire point, repaving, maybe not the whole unit, but you know, parking becomes a piece of that discussion as we know it's important, but it's a it's a bigger picture, bigger community discussion, city council priority. park board will play its role
as we administer Boulder Park and whether or not we sort of annex the parking lot and everything else the seaw wall it makes sense that we would have that oversight of that property but that's in the works.
If there gets to be a discussion of that being leased out to a private somebody, uh, I would like to be part of that discussion, uh, to make sure that all the issues that need to be addressed are addressed.
I'll keep that in mind. Let's see. We're still open, of course. It's October. We're busy with fall color leaf lookers. It's still nice out. So, it's kind of this, wow, we're busy, but we're also busy winterizing. We've got two bathous that are presently closed. the ones in the middle of the park, bath
house 2, bath house 3, just to get everything put away on time and deep clean. We've already closed those two facilities as we kind of know most of our guests are out west by the ballfield area or down east by the marina and the front row. So, we've still got those two bathous on the east and west sides open,
number one and number four, but we're pressure washing and scrubbing the walls in number two and number three. We will open up number three again for this weekend and for MEA weekend as we're full again as uh in those neighborhoods as well. Yeah, MEA weekend's our last
scheduled full service water weekend. Uh it's also the Moose Madness Festival in town. So we're sold out. Hopefully it stays nice. Uh but then starting Monday, October 20th, we'll put the air to the lines and do the winterization of the seasonal water system. Uh we'll still be open,
you know, in the off season. We we offer like what would say dry camping, rustic camping, no reservations taken. And our current office hours have scaled back as well. They're 8 to 4 except Friday nights. We're open till 8.
We just purchased a 2023 club cart utility cart. um got a good deal from a the dealer has a what's two years old, $300, $9,600. We got a price from the Sourcewell like state contract on a new
unit, 13,300. So, we were quick to snap up this 2023 cart. I believe it'll be delivered later on this week. Uh we're looking forward to that because the two blue utility buggies we're driving around now, they're little Yamaha units and they're
over 20 years old. I think they were on a schedule of replacement at about 10 years. So definitely got our money's worth out of those carts. We'll keep limping them along, but we're looking forward to this new cart. And then uh this is exciting news for our regional significant partners with
the Greater Minnesota Parks and Trails Commission. they have chosen to have their annual fall meeting of commissioners here in the city council chambers in a couple weeks from now on the 23rd and 22nd. Uh there'll be some meetings here with
the commissioners from throughout the state probably 15 or so folks. I've been invited to be like a opening speaker, welcome speaker and uh we'll give them a tour of the recreation area and we'll definitely keep uh the good
relationships going as this is the group that's evaluating our legacy funding grant request. How did they happen to come here? Did we issue an invitation? No, they looked me up. Heck of a deal. Everybody loves Grandmar. We have a new stadium for them. Yeah,
the new chamber, the new s the new I take it that the commissioners who are meeting on that are the state trail commissioners, not us, not people like us. That's right. But it's still an impressive group of
recreation leaders and I'm really honored and proud to be hosting them. Cool. That's great. Hope the weather's cooperative. Yeah. Do I assume that if one of the members here wanted to attend that would be possible? Sure. You're going to feed them lunch?
I bet they take care of their own catering. You think? I'll help. Well, then if they're feeding lunch, you'll come, right? I ju just an unrelated question. That That's right down your alley, isn't it? I just ask it.
Well, we encourage you to go. That's all I have. Uh I I asked the questions. I have anybody else have questions or comments on the parks report? We also have with us the some proposed rates for next year. Um
I have a a desire to think about whether or not any of our particular rates deserve to go up more or less than the standard amount. We've been doing a a pretty standard 3% kind of thing for all
the years I've been here. Um, and I was hoping that we'd get some information or not hoping, I'm asking for some information with regard to the charges that we make for the various things and how they may compare with other places or whether we think that the people who are in them would pay more if we asked
them to happily or any of those things. Sure. Uh, well, in regards to how we compare with other parks, we're the most expensive. We really make no um you know we're not afraid to charge more because we're on Lake Superior next
to downtown Grand Marray. So because we're so unique in our location and I would say so prized our rates reflect that. We we definitely charge maybe $5 more per night than the average RV park on Lake Superior. Although we have
noticed over the past few years that and we generally look to like Burlington Bay and Two Harbors. Now there's Black Beach and Silver Bay as like municipal competitors. Those are both two municipal campgrounds that are near the lake. Black Beach not so much.
Burlington Bay does have the Bay View. it's it's in town and they have adjusted their rates up accordingly I think to catch up with us or at least to capitalize on the demand and the ability to pay the willingness to pay and so they've caught up. We still are
approximately $5 more per night on our rates versus those two. Um, but they do have other sort of hidden fees, I would say, or not hidden, but like extra vehicle fee on those places or an extra person fee is like $10 a night versus
ours at five. And so, right, when it comes down to it, it's all relatively close. Now, state parks on the other hand, I feel they're subsidized. They offer reasonable camping 30 to $40 a
night, usually electric water only. they don't offer sewer. You need to purchase a vehicle sticker if you don't already have one. So, there's those extra fees as well. So, again, it's in that range of like, you know, $30 to $50 a night at
a state park. Um, but yeah, really we don't ever I shouldn't say that. We rarely hear, you know, the negative, oh, you guys are expensive or we're going to pass, you're too expensive. Like, that's really not a part of our interactions with guests.
uh you know anecdotally I don't think a lot of guests even ask about the rate or blink at the rate. Uh we do and then you know onto your second question of kind of where should we charge more or less for tents versus lakeside RVs. We've
already built that into the rates. You can already see we do a spectrum of prices. You know even so on a tent site versus a lakeside tent site there's a $5 break there. Uh the same for RV sites where there's the standard RV site,
there's a pullth through RV site, there's a lakeside RV site. All of that is taking advantage of in demand sites, people's ability and willingness to pay for a better site. And so we've already baked that into our rate card. And when
we do multipliers of three or 5%, those naturally affect these rates differently where a 3% on a tent site is, you know, $1 more. On an RV site, it's $2 more. And so over time, we've already multiplied these rates accordingly based
on percentages. 10 sites are slower to grow. You know, they're not as expensive because of that. Our V sites are keeping up with those increases. I will say we've done 5% the last two years. We might want to rethink that this year. Just to be nice, the consumer price
index on inflation was 2.9%. Um, but it's up to us. It's up to you all three versus five. It just makes sense to do it in margins, not to skip a year, not to be 10%, you
know, three years from now. That's just that's just not fair to some guests that are used to this. They you know I think by and large especially our seasonal guests expect this. Um so it's really just a question of how
many% would you like two three four five so your approach is like heating the water for the frog slowly. Um I do have one thought and that is as we reduce from 30 to 20 the number of
Is it 20 30% to 20% the number of year- round sites that those year- round sites will become more valuable? They're already valuable. But you're right. There's there's no question. We might want to think about what how we want to address that question either this year or in future years. And of
course, the other thing is is once they're no longer seasonal, we'll be able to charge weekly and monthly rates for them. Daily weekly. That's right. So there will be a revenue increase there. Correct. And that value is already showing itself this year. We had three of these prime seasonals that have
transitioned into nightly. And so I think I suggested this on the back. We need to create a new rate for these sites now where they aren't quite front row lakeside BWS, you know, at $70 a night. This year we've been charging them as like the
pullthroughs, which is a little more than the standard, but it's my belief that yeah, these are like second tier. they still have got big views and people are certainly pining for them and the the so we can or should create this idea
of a prime nightly that's say $5 less than the lakeside nightly. So we would then have this new category of you know standard electric water sewer, pullth through electric water sewer, prime
electric water sewer and then lakeside electric water sewer. What's the difference between Prime and Lakeside? What's The Lakeside is the front row. Okay. It's those down across from the bay. They've already established there's like 15 of them. They're the most popular. People pay the
$70 rate all summer and fall and spring, but these are the sort of the next the just above them. They're the that are currently seasonal with views, big lots. Now we're transitioning into the nightly
weekly and so we are capturing the value in that the nightly rate already is 40% more or 60% no 40% more than what we had charged as a seasonal site. The seasonal rate is discounted about 40%
off nightly. So, as these sites transition to nightly, we instantly make twice as much. Even at the at, you know, at the pullth through $55 rate or 57 or whatever it is this year,
I think it's it's best to, you know, say these sites are new, they're special. Let's make a new price for them. We'll call them prime. say $5 less than Lakeside and no weekly discount because that too is another
caveat to the Lakeside front row is we don't give them the free night on seven nights. We do offer weekly discounts on standard sites. It's a free night. Seven for the price of six. A lot of folks stay for two weeks. But when do we need to make our decisions on the rates question?
Tonight. Today. We start taking reservations in three weeks. Oh, that doesn't provide time for the analysis that I was hoping we were going to get about the 20% versus 30% and
whether we might want to raise that a little bit more for the for the survivors. U I don't know what more analysis I can give you. It's just a choice. So, um,
when someone rents a place, it that includes for two adults. Four adults. Four adults and then $5 after that. Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Base rates are on four adults, one vehicle. Gotcha. And that's true. Other parks do it on
two adults, one vehicle, and then they have those little extra fees of, you know, $10 for extra adults and $10 for extra cars. Right. where I was headed with it was that we might try to go for an overall 3% increase, but we might put more of the
increase on the on the higher priced ones, the ones that are more attractive and in demand as compared to the ones at the bottom of the list. And that that that actually happens just in math of the the like 10 sites are
they're cheaper. They're $30. So 3% on $30 is like a dollar. And then the RV sites which is 60, you know, $50, 3%'s a buck or a buck 50 or $2. So it already works itself out in the math of across
the board, you know, 3%. When you apply that towards a basic tent site, it only raises it a dollar. When you apply it towards a full hookup in dollar terms, you get more out of 2% of a bigger number or 3%. Mhm. But and I and I'm and I'm happy with
that. I'm just wondering whether or not it makes any sense for the lots that are the most soughta that we consider a raise that's more than three or 5% on some of those and maybe a lower overall increase.
You know, I feel like the Lakeside and these if prime are the two those are the ones that are sought after because they got the view, right? Everybody says this when they are booking. Where is it by the lake? Can we get something by the lake? We want the view. And we've already priced those, you know, $70 a
night accordingly. They're $20 more than a electric water site that has no view. You know, a third more. So, it's it's already built into the rates that are best. I understand there's a gradation already. And I'm just wondering whether
or not it makes sense to increase that distinction a little bit those those who were there year round and uh as though as we go from 30% to 20% those lots will become even more precious right.
Mhm. So yeah, for sure seasonal pricing is a different than nightly pricing. And yet that seasonal rate at, you know, 4700, 4,800, that's a lot compared to other parks
that do seasonals. Now again, we're very unique in this. We're a public park. We do seasonals. No other public parks. We have any trouble filling those places, right? No. In fact, we got hundreds on the waiting list. So it it seems if we think about what the market will bear, we might want to
think now if you absolutely have to have a decision tonight, we can just decide on 3% as an overall amount or however percent we want and then we can look at the detail of it between now and next month if we want to or we can wait till
next year. But I think it it behooves us as we go from 30% to 20% to think about that. I get that. And maybe I was wrong in that the the we don't need to set monthly rates till not November because we don't take
reservations. The monthlies are in a different pool of like they get their deposits in in January. So, it's true that we need to set our nightly rates, I would hope, by November 1st, just so we can have our online booking machine all up to date. So, nightly rates, yes, we do have a
little bit of a let's get them set sooner than later. monthly rates. We could take another month and think about and talk about and do some more analysis on with the reduction the principal item on our November agenda. Yeah. Okay. Yes, mister.
Moved to set 3% as the rate and then revisit the special distribution next month. All right. Are people happy with is is there a second to that motion? Well, I'll second it. All right. The motion is to have the
overall charges be increased by 3% with the distribution to be considered at the next meeting. Is there further discussion? Yes, ma'am. I'm not sure this fits under the motion, but um two things that you mentioned in
the useful information about renting the wreck hall. Oh, yeah. And the change fee. two things that I'm interested in. Mhm. Um are those separate from the 3%. I think so. Okay. So,
but I but I'd like to just be clear that we're talking about 3% across the board on nightly weekly rates and and also seasonal rates. I don't know because now we're talking about more discussion about those next month.
Well, I would we were talking about 3% for everything, weren't we? Yeah. And that would include the seasonal rates or not? It would if I Well, I think it was Does your
It was stated as 3% tonight and then revisit special cases next month. I And so it' be 3% for the total income. Yeah. And as to individual uh things, we'll be deciding them next month. No, total income means 3% across the
board, including marina. Yeah. Seasonal camping and nightly camping. Mhm. 3%. That's how I'm understanding it, which is I'm fine with.
I just want to be so when we increase our rates for nightly online this month so it's ready by November they'll be up 3%. And then we can look at seasonal rate I think in November.
I sense that you're not happy with the idea of applying the 3% to some of the categories that some of us have talked about. Is what am I hearing correctly? No, I just want to be clear on the what we're applying it to. And I'm hearing nightly, not seasonal.
Right. That's what I'm hearing, too. And you're you'll add the prime a new prime rate. Well, we'll do that next with these special considerations. Oh, that's not going to have to be on the
No, because those sites aren't reservable. Great. Because the recall wouldn't be 3%. That's a major change. No, he's just Yeah, those would be separate discussion. Yeah, he's just discussing things that haven't been changed in a long time like the
extra cars. Extra the extra cars, the wreck haul, the What else you got on here? We can revisit those next month as well. Do you want to state your motion again, Bob, to make sure that we know what we're voting on?
Well, you just mentioned extra cars. That Senator that also needs a special right a little amendment next month. So, the motion was to increase rates nightly 3% across the park and then next month
revisit special cases which would be those defined by Dave as needing adjustment. So when you say nightly you that would exclude the seasonal winds although we can look at those next month and if you want to throw them in the pot next month fine and if not or tweak them
fine but it gives Dave some time to sort it out. So the motion is narrowed to just nightly rates and and monthly rates and weekly rates. Everything except seasonal rates right and those special categories
are not included either. Everything at the bottom of the page and that went on the next page that didn't prep, we could talk about next month. 3% up on nightly. That's what I'm hearing. Yeah. And then tweak it. Tweak it next month.
All these other things. So, and when you're talking about by November, they can they can do six months in advance. Is that what it is? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, May 1st starts November. Gotcha. And that's yeah so yeah for sure next
month I'm happy to look at seasonal rates ex extras recalls storage storage even the offseason on season discount right now May and October it's $5 less
on nightly maybe we make that $2 less or $3 I mean there's there's we got some ways to make more We can look at those next month. All right. Yeah. Okay. So, the motion is that the
nightly, weekly, and monthly rates No, nightly. Nightly. Nightly. Just nightly. Yeah. Yep. Call it nightly. Yep. Okay. Just nightly. That the nightly rates would go up by 3%. And that we will look at other questions on the on the charges uh in November
after we've received recommendations from our staff. Right. There's a rack of special cases, right, that Dave will define, right? Anything that's anything that's not covered by his motion, right, will be addressed next time.
Okay. Is everybody ready to vote? I think with CPI of 2.9, three is certainly defensible and needs no apology. Absolutely. Yeah. Plus, it's not quite as high as last year, it makes us look good. Yeah. Yes sir. Any further discussion? All
those in favor would you raise your hand and say I. I. I. Any opposed? Same sign. There are being none. The minutes will recorded as a unanimous vote of all the commissioners present. I see uh new business. We've already
addressed that. Is there any old business? What are tent rates off season? $10 a night. Just 10 bucks a night. So, y and that's wide open. You can fill lots of sights. Hundreds of sites. But it's with a porta potty, right?
Porta potty. So like for north house, plenty of room, hundreds of sights. Okay. And again, that's a rate we haven't changed forever, right? 10 a night for rustic, 20 for electric. And that's a very kind rate for a
minimal use and good PR. So maybe we leave it, but we'll put it on the card for next month. I didn't understand that at all. What was the noun there? Well, the temp rate is $10 a night. Oh, the temp offse, right?
And I 20 argue next month to leave it at 10 because it's a good PR move. It doesn't cost much. It looks great and it sounds great. And same with the 20 with the electric for teders, I'd say. So, yeah.
Yeah. Okay. So, good. Don't take them for next week. It's a good PR group. Yeah, I agree. They they don't cloud up their Wi-Fi. They don't have, you know, just go in their house. And for sure, next month, we'll address these two points. K of the
Yeah. Like the change fee and the prime. Do you have a change fee now? Nope. Okay. Well, those are two busy weekends. Move that we consider a change fee next
month for sure. Well, you don't need to move it. I got Put it in there. Yeah. Are are any fees to the park changing as far as your processing credit cards, things like that? Those fees.
Do you get a heads up on that? When or if you do, when does that happen? Right now, actually. Okay. remember a meeting when this. So if there's anything that we need to consider that next. All right. So is there anything else for the good
of the order? If not, I declare us adjourned earlier than usual.