Okay. Uh, that would be under that would be under old business, I presume, wouldn't it? He says he will. Or is there anything else besides that? Okay. Then the minutes will reflect that
the agenda as amended was approved uh unanimously. The minutes from the June 3rd meeting have been distributed. Has anybody got any suggestions for corrections or additions? Great.
All right. Is there any objections to the approval of the minutes? There being none, the uh minutes of the June 3rd meeting are approved unanimously. Golf report Paul I see down here at the
end of the table. Speak up, young man. Well, we're July already, so it's going pretty fast. Things things are going pretty good. And uh yeah, I mean, we the the
conditions of the course start out. We had some problems with a couple of greens from Winterkill. They're coming together pretty good. I mean, we're happy with how they're progressing. We've got to do a little more work on green number nine. Probably be getting on. We're kind of waiting till after
this holiday thing and then we'll be getting on that. Um, but basically we've been getting good comments about the condition of the course and all those things. We've had good play. Weather's been good. Um, everything's been pretty good. I guess we're just doing normal
things. Uh, fixing stuff, fixing irrigation. Um, we've got a good crew. We've got Aaron uh from the parks is um on the crew and he's doing rough mowing for us. Uh he's doing a really good job and uh
really nice guy. And then we've got uh Carol is uh working with us in the uh clubhouse. She's new and she's doing a good job. So um yeah, things are going going pretty well. Uh yeah, we're just
uh just kind of keep plugging along. I think things, you know, are like I said before, we just kind of keep improving a little bit each year. Um, you know, income seems to go up a little more each year. And so that's good. That's a good trend. But, uh, you know, hopefully
we'll keep ahead of it where where the dollar changes value, try to beat that. And, uh, but, uh, no, it's it's nice. We've got uh you know, we had the youth people in yesterday and there were probably probably about 12 15 people,
young people that came out for the the North Point group. Um which is great. And uh I'm noticing too some your boys, one of them, Dave, and some other uh young boys that are out there playing and girls too. But uh you know, they're
they're they're getting good. They're getting to be good players. So, it's kind of neat. you know, they're going to be playing a lot of golf. Um, so we like to see that. Um, yeah, we continue to see new visitors we haven't seen before. Um,
Ryder, my dog, he's doing really good. Uh, I guess I can't think of anything. Oh, um, we had talked a little bit as far as like things in the future. I've got personal equipment that I had from my my previous business and I'm I'm
going to be looking at selling that. I'm trying to direct it into the golf club here if there's a way to do that. Um, you know, all this stuff costs money. this the equipment that we have is is ancient and it probably I mean some of
some of the equipment is and it uh it probably wasn't all that great when they got it bought it used before but um anyway I've got some other equipment that we're going to try to try to get into the club if it's feasible. Um, I think what I'm pushing up to the
forefront though is I've got a one of uh, you know, I know all sorts of golf course superintendent and stuff and I know one of the people I do service work for, they uh, in the fall they uh, they've got carts like ours that they're
going to be they're going to be updating their carts and you know I've seen their carts and they're you know they're like just like ours except for they're tan where ours are white. They're gas cards, club cards. And so, um, I've talked to him about getting his carts. I'd be like
12 carts. So, I'm guessing that, uh, my my allowance for acquisitions on equipment seems to be where I could maybe get six. And they aren't going to part with those until, you know, after their season's done. So it' be like in the fall maybe I could pick up six of
those and then you know after the first of the year purchase the other six for you know and then we'd have our cart situation would be you know we'd be very comfortable with our cart situation at that point. We had um I mean we've got
some old carts that are really ify actually kind of uh you feel bad when you have to put people in them sometimes. Uh they they don't complain too much. ly rather ride anything than walk in some cases. But anyway, this would allow us to take those uh half
dozen, you know, carts from last century and and and get rid of them or or use them for service or something and we'd be able to update our carts and we'd have uh enough. Well, we had last weekend we ran out of carts, you know, like in the peak of the day and it's
this happens. Uh, you know, and then it's up for the staff to kind of entertain the people or kind of talk to people until the new carts, let them know when the new carts or when the other cart's going to be returned and when they can play and all this. So, that's kind of how we've been doing those situations. And it's been okay,
but it' be a lot nicer just to be able to uh have enough cards there. And then also for tournaments too that we do uh you know we get limited how many teams we can have because we don't have enough cards. So that would help there. Anyway,
uh I think that that that's going to be probably a good avenue for us to take care of that problem. And the rest of it will just kind of kick the can down the road and and see. I mean, the thing the thing about the equipment is uh when I'm
purchasing equipment, um I I like to purchase equipment that's going to, you know, work good and then stand some value. So, if you ever wanted to, you know, it would be an asset basically if you uh if you wanted to part with it, sell it, it would have value at that
point. A lot of the stuff that we're talking about replacing, it just doesn't have any value. You know, it's expensive to to fix. they it's hard to find parts for it, all those things. So, so that's kind of a look into the future there, I guess.
With with regard to the equipment that you own that you that you think the golf course could use, wouldn't the thing for you to do either to talk to Dave or to Mike Roth about what the price is the city is willing to pay for it? Yeah. Yeah. Well, like for example, I talked
to him about grinders. We've got some grinders and uh they're you know these it's expensive piece of equipment but you know we've got well I don't know we've got what 19 reels we have to grind every year and so they're we have to contract grind those we've been grinding
them with my equipment since I got here but I've got you know I can sell it and uh you know I've got somebody that I could sell to today and we could bring our reels down there and grind them but you know it's just I don't I'd rather lead the club not in that situation. I'm
not going to be here forever and uh you know, I'm just trying to trying to set the the place up for success, you know. So, I think that that would be the best situation to to have your own equipment. Um but I don't think there's any inherent objection from the board
members with regard to working something out. It's simply a matter of of you and the city agreeing on a fair value. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh I have one other com no two
other comments. One is I notice in the woods there are some dead equipment deep in various woods and we ought to think about someday getting rid of it. Uh I don't I'm not trying to produce something tomorrow, but once I once I
notice it, I keep thinking about it. And I suspect to some extent other people do too. But more importantly, it's just sitting there erotic. You're talking about the the old carts that are kind of pushed back in the woods here. I That's one of the things there were. I noticed
there were these to the left of the first hole. There's a bunch of stuff. Yeah. There's a lineup of ancient equipment that really has no value. Uh except scrap metal. Yeah. Well, I don't you know, actually we use
it for like extremely random jobs like like between four and five that that hill that area where we take one of those old machines and go in there and if if you're using it, I'm not talking about anything you use. I'm talking about things that appear to be no longer
usable and just take a look at it and give some thought to how you want to handle it at some point. You Yeah, you're you mean you don't like looking at it when you drive by? Well, and and it it feels bad to have a bunch of crap sitting around, you know. It feels kind
of junky. Yeah. Um Well, we don't have a lot of buildings uh to to park them in is is one of the issues. So, well, and again, I'm only talking about things that are scraps, not not things that you you would use. Yeah. Well, the other question I have is we need to set a
deadline by when we're going to have a computer so we can enter our our handicaps so we can have a a nationally useful handicap instead of just a locally useful one. And that means we need to get the computer set up and we need to tell people how to how to do it.
It's not hard. I've done it at other clubs. Well, ne next time you're up and that could be tomorrow or whatever. Let's pick a location where you want to put it. Okay. Okay. Where do you think it'd be good to put it? And we'll just put we'll just put it there. Then we'll contact the MGA and that's good. And you
can get all signed up. All right. Anybody else have comments or questions to talk to Paul about? I'll just make the quick comment on Paul's, you know, bit of a modesty here where this the season's going well. Well, it's actually we're up 30% on last year's revenue year
to date. A lot of that has to do with last year, how wet it was. You're talking about the golf course is up 30%. It was our sense, my partner and I, that it was busier. Yeah, for sure. Weather big factor cuz you know based on last
June's what did it rain every day or every other day or twice a day it rained. So yeah, I don't know. It's that kind of sport where if it rains we don't do well. Last June it rained a lot. We had actual closures multiple days. This year it's been, you know, I would say
normal. And yeah, I put in on our point of sales system yesterday, you know, ran a year-to- date total for revenue and it is up 30%. So that's a really good indicator for Cool. Keep up the good work. Okay. Okay. Next
item on the agenda is the city council report. Craig, it's good to see so much of you up here on a big screen. Can you hear me? Yep. Okay. Yeah. Um, we didn't have a very long
city council meeting. It was kind of short. Um, uh, basically we just approved two conditional use permits that were um, submitted. One of them was for the North House to allow
um a guest quarters to be developed into the building that is across the street, the old forestry building that is part of their campus. And the other condition use permit was a garage uh apartment being built in a new garage
that's being built in town. Um other than that, that was the only two items on the the uh agenda. It's pretty short agenda for the city council last week. Um, that's all I've got for that.
Okay. Anybody wish to ask questions or make comments about the city council? Check parks report. It's brief. Yeah, purposely brief. We're busy. We got a big old business uh item coming
up. So just uh you know quickly similar trend down at the wreck park for June weatherdriven success. We were up about 7% year-to- date revenue just for the month of June running or I should say just the monthly revenue side by side each June we're up 7% versus last year.
Big factor there is the lack of rain this year. And then a year-to- date revenue total stands about 4% up. So, it's pretty flat given we did a 5% rate hike, but it's very, very early in the season. Got obviously the next two months is our bread and butter month.
So, looking good. Things are running smooth. Staff is happy. Guests are happy. Uh 2026 budget season is approaching now. I'll be getting some worksheets from city hall over the next few weeks and we'll start to put together a draft budget for city council
to consider and eventually approve. It's a it's a multiple month process. We'll look at a draft budget next month with this board. I'll present to city council generally around September and so we'll have the next few months to work on our
budget. Uh the great news down at the marina OD day equipment came through as promised with the new fuel pump, the new reels. The These were installed a couple weeks ago and great professional team there. They showed up at 8 a.m. They finished at 2 p.m. about 3:00 we had a
big boat pull up to the dock and put on 200 gallons of diesel. So they got the prize for first to use the new pump and uh and certainly helped pay for it. Uh, and then lastly, we've got these events in Harbor Park planned for this month of July. The Grammar Art Colony Art
Festival is next weekend, Saturday, Sunday the 12th, and 13th. Of course, fireworks this Friday night in the Bay, but uh, no major activities around the 4th of July in town. You know, most of the action is down toy as far as a parade and that sort of fun is
fireworks. We do we do do fireworks on the bay on Friday night and then the following weekend's the art festival. There's a little gap there in the middle of the month and then at the end of the month, the last Saturday, the 26th is the Stars of the North Music Festival down in Harbor Park. And so in followup
to your request for a power update on Harbor Park, Nordic Electric was given the green light to proceed with the 600 amp power upgrades that we approved last month. I did run some or ask Dave to put together an idea on 800 amp and it's
well and above the what was it about a $8,000 threshold you gave me for spending yeah it could easily have been another $15,000 more so we kept it to 600 amps I reached out to another local contractor electrician contractor for
price and interest and not surprisingly they weren't available so Nordic is has ordered the parts several weeks ago. It was about a three-week lead time. So, I expect those parts in about now. And it'll be a big push to get all that in in between
festivals and this month in time for the picnic. That's outstanding. The uh one one thing occurs to me as the golf courses revenue goes has gone up, we've also spent more money on capital
equipment and things like that. And I'm assuming that that's going to continue for a while that that that50 or $60,000 deficit uh will continue until we get the equipment in shape. Is that a fair
assumption? That is the cost of doing business up there. You're right. It Yeah, it's not a cheap operation to run. And with Paul's standards and insight on equipment needs, you know, we're certainly putting money back into it and continuing to run it in the red as a
result. And and the players seems to reflect the expenditure of effort and money. Yeah, thanks. It's worth it. Okay. Any any other questions about the parks report? Then new business is a special special
event application for the pickup truck opera. And I've enjoyed their performances the last two years. Is there anything different about this application? No. No. August, Saturday at the sliding hill. Yep. So moved. Second.
Any discussion? There not being any discussion. All those in favor of approving the pickup truck opera's opportunity to use uh Sweetwater Bluff, please say I. I. Greg, you're not. Oh, good. Thank you. That's
unanimous. It's four to nothing. Uh let's see what the what's the date for that one? 16th of August. Saturday the 16th. Okay. Thank you. We'll do lots of promo. We're working with the Northshore Music Association on this and they've got posters and we'll get those up.
Okay. The uh next is old business. And now I recognize Mike whom I met at noon today and I see he has a partner with him whom I didn't meet. Maybe you could indicate your names for the record and the company you work for and the purpose of
your presentation. Great. Thank you. Um Mike Fischer with LHP and with me is Doug Zhan with LHB. We're both architects uh working on the wreck park uh project uh focusing
specifically on the bathous and wreck hall and and uh sort of the first steps uh in building out the master plan. Uh do you want us to just dive into what we've been doing today? Unless somebody else has some other idea, I think that's just fine. All
right. So Doug will bring up uh some slides. So, we were here today. Uh we've been here uh just scoping out the park, checking, you know, checking out bathous, w all the facilities. Uh we went back and started looking at some
different ideas. And our goal today was to come and just get input from residents of Grand Marray uh campers in the in the campground uh and staff and um on some of the initial ideas and just
ask them a little bit more how they're using some of these buildings. Um so and there's multiple purposes for that. One is that we learned a lot. We we actually did learn a lot today. We had about 30 people uh attend a 2-hour open house. In fact, uh they were there at 5 minutes
before and people were still there 10 or 15 minutes after the open house time. So, I would consider it actually a great success. I I didn't know that we'd get that many people. So, especially on a beautiful day where they have other options. Um but we met in the rec hall.
We set up some tables and we put these big um drawings down. But I'm going to what we'll do is just sort of walk through what we were talking to people about. So Doug and I put together um what we just call some highlevel
u concept plans. And the first one we call the master plan scheme. This is as close to what the master plan was calling for as any of them are. And so essentially so if I use this will it show up? The mouse showed up on the
screen. Yeah. Um, so the master plan called for taking bath house three. Um, is everyone pretty much familiar when I name these bathous which ones are which or should I kind of go through and just just say three? Which one is three? So
bath house one is up in the okay in the middle of the seasonal campground area. Bath House 2 is the one that's a little closer to the water, but still up what I would consider on the the east side of the office. Bath House 3 is currently
right here kind of in the middle and bath house 4 is down near the ball field. So when I make these references, those are the ones I'm referencing. Um, so in the master plan, it called for as a first kind of activity to build a new
demo bath house 3, demo the wreck hall, and build a new wreck hall with a bath house essentially attached. And um so Doug and I talked about that and the problem we have with that. Not to come right out of the shoot and disagree with
the master plan, but from what we understand the master the reason they talked about that in the master plan is it could be some cost savings in constructing two buildings as part of one project. And while we wouldn't argue that there
may be some small savings, we ask ourselves, what's the real cost of building two things that don't necessarily want to go together? When I say they don't want to go together, I think the wreck hall naturally wants to be closer to the highway, closer and
easier for um Grammaray residents to get to park, to feel like they're not going deep into the park. Uh, the bath house wants to be further to the south to be where more of the campers are. So, the two are in a little bit of conflict when
you're trying to find just the right spot. The other thing about that wreck hall is that I think there's a real opportunity for it to serve a purpose as a trail head. Um, and that's a trail head for the path, the trails within the park, but also the Gigi Gami trail going
past the park. the more we can make it visible as you're coming in, the better. So, that's why we just struggle with putting those two uses together. And we'll talk more about that. And um was there anything else, Doug, that we wanted to talk about other than yeah, rebuilding bath house three, you know,
isn't helping our lack of coverage, you know, for the 400. Right. Right. Like if we build it up by where the recall wants to be. So, the thing not picking up. Yeah. Yeah. So, the thing to see in all of these drawings is we have those circles. They're a little hard to see on the screen, but those black dashed
circles are 400 ft uh walking distance. And what we want to do is have every camper be within 400 ft of a bath house. And so you can see uh in this scenario, there's a little bit of a gap down here
where those people wouldn't be within that that range. So what we said is, okay, well that's the master plan scheme. Um, can we just go to the next one? So, we're going to do three other options. The first one we'll call option
one. And, uh, it's to play off this little thing. So, we started asking ourselves, we we were in the wreck hall with Dave, I don't know, a month or so ago. and and uh we were just asking, okay, if you're building a new wreck hall, which you
know is pretty high on the list of priorities in your master plan, um do you want it bigger, you know, different size? And he was like, not necessarily. This is kind of kind of works. And uh I don't know, we asked a whole series of questions. We're kind of like, well, why
are we building a new one if this one works pretty well and isn't used that much and is in about the right location? Um, so we said, "Well, let's at least put on the table a remodel opportunity here. Maybe we're not building new,
maybe it's a remodel." And, uh, one of the things we talked about in a remodel is, uh, there's the one wall with the windows looking to the east and then there outside there are all the picnic tables and the horseshoe pit. To me, what that building's crying for, whether
we build a new one or we use this one, is having an opportunity to slide open some glass doors and walk have the inside and the outside work back and forth and um and it would make it so much more usable. You could have groups that are sitting outside still using the
kitchen and it just, you know, it gives the building much more flexibility. So, so we talked about some of that, but that was the point of today of just quizzing people. How are you using this building? How would you use it? What do you use it for? All that kind of stuff.
And we have some great information in this concept. Uh we would actually demo bath house 2 and move a new bath house 2 way further south. And the reason for that and by remodeling bath house 3 and
keeping it where it is, we start getting better coverage and bath house 2 starts serving a purpose not only to give a break to bath house 4 which is the heaviest use. Um now people are visibly going to see another option um but also
it serves the picnic shelter and some other amenities down there where they have a much closer walk to to uh the toilets. Um, you can see this one still leaves us a little gap now up in here. So, we would want to make some
adjustments to what we're showing here. Um, so then if we go to option two, oh my good or did I miss anything here, Doug? No. Well, I was just going to say too, you know, we heard a lot and mirrored that two bath house four. It's a lot of heavy use. So, I think getting
another back bath house south may sort of start relieving some of that some of the user pressure that that one's experiencing. And what what we learned is that bath house 4, not only are there a lot of tent camping down there where they're going to be more reliant on bathous, but when you
get the groups and the group camping, it can really put pressure. Like if it's all male group, you're going to get overloaded on the men's side. And so it' be nice to have that balance down there. Um so then the next option
we said well what if you know if more buildings in theory if you build more buildings you have more to maintain more expense ongoing. What if we actually didn't need four bathous? What if we combined bath house 2 and bath house 3
into one larger bath house? And in this case we centrally located it right here. And interestingly, with fewer bathous, we have better coverage. We have we cover every campsite with three buildings except for that group. Well, except this group camping here, which I
hadn't accounted for, but I think I think the group camping. I'm not sure how that fits into that requirement, honestly. Right. And if we do, you know, move it over there, that starts helping a little bit. So, but anyway, that's right. Next level. So, the idea we were
testing is how would staff and how would campers respond to like a larger bath house that was centrally located like that. And uh so, by the way, what we did is each one of these was on a big sheet on a table and they would just we would explain it.
They'd go down the line and then we gave them each a little dot that was colorcoded. If you're a seasonal camper, you get red. If you're a daily or weekly camper, you get yellow. or whatever. If you're a Grammaray resident or Cook County resident, you had a different
color. Staff had a color. And it was pretty interesting that uh uh uniformly people liked the previous one that we just showed with the distributed bathous. And the reason, so here we were
thinking, and this is why you visit with people, you learn stuff. We were thinking that fewer buildings, less cost. the staff and campers said, "Well, wait a minute. If you have a whole bunch in one building and now you close it for cleaning or something happens that
requires you to close that building, now we got issues." Whereas, if you have four smaller bathous, we have built-in redundancy that we can adapt to situations that arise. I'm like, "Well, that's a pretty fair point, right?" like
um and that was resoundingly what people were uh liking the most. And then the last scheme was not one that we were asked to do in any way. We were just two architects trying to trying to pretend what if we just didn't worry about where
anything was today. Where would be the best locations for things? Uh, and in this case, we were saying we would, if we were going to combine buildings, we would combine an office with the wreck hall because you got to go get keys for the wreck hall. You got to check it out.
And it's the kind of facility that you'd like to have some eyeballs on when you can. Um, because if there are issues or whatever, you're kind of right there. And because of the lo the both locations want to be closer to the entrance, closer to the parking. And frankly, as
we've done these different layouts, the office being on the east side of the road has I think we all know it's just a little trickier for checking in and all of that kind of stuff. So, we're like, well, we would just move them over into a joint building. Uh, in an ideal world,
we would take the maintenance buildings and move them somewhere that's not right at the front door of the park. Um, and yeah, maybe it's somewhere back here. We didn't know exactly where. Heck, we didn't even know what you'd do with the current office if we built a new one
because we just haven't been through we but we were just kind of saying, well, where would we put these different things? And that was just sort of interesting discussions with people and and then uh so but just to be clear I think people this idea of a new combined
bath house compared to building a either you know demoing for sure demoing bath house 2 and building a new one everyone seemed to agree with that was like kind of the non no one there's no disagreement the idea of remodeling bath
house 3 rather than building a new one. People are like, "Well, if you can make that work, that's fine." We went back spent some more time in Bath House 3 this afternoon. And, you know, it's it's a little in a little tougher shape than we saw. you know, like when you come
back and look with that very specific thing in mind, um, you know, I think it's doable, but I think we have to kind of really weigh what's the cost to make all the changes we would want to make versus just building a new one and then taking this one down when it's done. And
it might, one of the factors that might weigh in is again where we end up putting bath house 2 might want us to shift bath house 3 just a little bit to get the kind of coverage we want. So, we're still weighing that one a little bit. They missed anything with this one.
Um, are there just three bathous on this one? Mhm. Yes. Yeah, that red is the maintenance building. Yeah. So, I would go Let's see, Doug. Which ones are option is option one? Yeah.
I think this is the one here that people This is the one that most of the time. This is one most people resonated with from that sample. Um, so you'd have four bathous pretty well distributed. Again, we need to shift them to to cover the gap area. Um, but we could bring bath
house 2 up a little bit, right? Yep. Up to here maybe. And maybe bath house 3 shifts. Maybe it does go a little bit to the east. And that would be the argument for building a new bath house 3 rather than trying to remodel it. What we
learned is the the main issue with Bath House 3 from a staff perspective is the ventil the ventilation is just not sufficient to keep it dry. So as the summer progresses they have more, you know, mold they're trying to get out of
there. It's just always damp. And uh and that's always a problem with bathous by the way. It's not unique. But I think in some of the newer ones, we just have better ventilation and that would if we built a new one, we would really ventilate it. Um, so those are things we
would want to look at. And then, uh, the other thing we were doing, do you have, uh, where's the concept ones? You want to go to this? Oh, yeah. Just to be clear, when we talk about these bathous, bath house 4 on the left,
that's the the floor plan. That's the That's what you have there. And for the most part, it works well. Uh the idea of separating, you've got toilets to one side, showers to the other. Uh people seem to like that a lot. Staff thinks
it's pretty good. Um so, bath house 4 is kind of we'll call it your best model to date. Um, and it's actually about the size of what if you were to replace bath house 2 more bath house 3, you'd probably build something just about like
this. Uh, in terms of the number of fixtures, uh, over to the right is if you combined bath house 2 and bath house 3, you would need something like that to replace all those fixtures. And so what we were testing today was, especially with the
campers, does that feel too large? Does it feel overwhelming like and actually people didn't really that wasn't really their concern that I heard there was a few that expressed I mean they didn't love it but they didn't say it would be like a huge problem right I think the
bigger concern was the redundancy the fact that if that many fixtures go down for any amount of time that's quite a loss of fixtures the other thing that we should probably talk to this group about is everything you can see over on the right we're talking about code required
how many fixur So right now in this park you're right about at code you know you're meeting the code but we haven't really talked about and I don't know I didn't get much today out of people like are we under serving for
number of fixtures is it just you're not getting complaints that there's a line or there's never so I feel like you know if we were hearing that we'd want to like add fixtures into these but we're not hearing that so um it was the the
bigger issue was at least from what we heard you know was the the crowded of bath house 4 the conditions there and so that's where the distribution of four bathous starts taking the pressure off
bath house 4 so bringing two down so there's some understanding or visibility that like oh this one if there's a line I'm heading right over there and I'm not even going to think twice about it. So, um, and then the last piece we were just we've
been doodling on how to, so that's I want to go back to the first one. First one. There we go. So, these are just rough sketches that we're actually working on today a little bit. Um, as you come into the park,
um, you've got that, you know, that surface area that's kind of used for parking. It's kind of, it's not really too defined yet. but trying to figure out how you would better utilize that for queuing for check-in. So, this is making the assumption that the office
stays where it is and everything stays where it is essentially, but can you just make improvements there and be do a better job of bringing the trail down to the wreck hall um where again it could be used as sort of a trail head building
or whatever. In this case, we just created this is like like a parking lot with there would be a bay of parking here, a bay here, and then so there's essentially four rows of automobile parking, but it's really set up where
you can be bringing rigs in and just queuing up and going over to the office if you need to to check in. One of the So, there are some levels of improvement that can be made to that. Um, not saying it needs to be like the first thing
that's done or anything, but just trying to see how we could solve some of the quing problems with the office staying where it is. Um, one of the one of the conversations we had is how long are we going to keep this same
check-in system? Like at, you know, using technology, people could you probably do it now, right? like they just check in on their phone and they're not actually stopping at the office. They can loop back, they can do whatever. Um, so I think we'll have more
conversations about that before we spend suggest spending money changing physically a bunch of stuff when it might be fixed just with technology and you don't worry about it. But I think that's just so of course we haven't looped back with Dave because we learned all these things today. So, you're
hearing all this stuff first time. Yeah. Dave's like, "No." Um, I hate to leave, but I have to go. All right. Becca will reflect that Kay must leave in case we have to vote on anything. Thanks, K. Bye.
The next option was uh remember when we showed you the one where we actually built had a new office and wreck haul location? So, we experimented with a couple sketches like what if you put them on the bottom end here. Um, like if
this was the office and this was your wreck hall and then you just use your queuing, you know, you loop around like this, right? And you just pull in. So now it allows queuing to happen around that whole parking lot plus the parking lot in the middle. It works. I don't
love it because your buildings I'm looking at where okay the south facing I want the south sun to make life better for people and I feel like it's on the wrong side of the buildings. Um so you're shadowing you know where
everyone's coming in and out and uh and I don't love it from the trail head perspective and creating a gateway. So, this last one is a variation where what if we moved an
the office and wreck hall all the way up to this side. Now, when you come in, you drive right in front and queue up. You can come all the way down here for your queuing if you want. So, we make this wide enough where you can have vehicles going both ways in front of the office.
You put your parking over here where your wreck hall is today. Um, in this scheme, we actually moved the maintenance buildings, but if you actually wanted to keep the maintenance buildings right there, you could. We could just change the site design a little bit. But the cool thing about
this is that you come off this trail and you have these outdoor plazas with the south sun. You do the indoor outdoor that we talked about with your wreck hall. So, you have the doors that slide open. You have this event space. You could have your playground up there. you
could really make that an incredible hub that's also really accessible to Grand Marray as a whole, right? It's not in the park. It's right at the entrance. And these become really kind of significant entrance buildings. There's
no mistaking where the office is. Um, you could put gardens or whatever in this middle. We I threw in a little extra parking here. It all to me it all could work pretty well. The cool thing about this, you don't have to decide any of that today. None of it is, none of it
affects this bath house thing that we're talking about. We can do these things and contemplate over time if this kind of stuff makes sense. And part of that, I think, is testing the grant opportunities where you start with the bath house and see how that works. If
there's grant money out there and you show that you have a plan, then you just kind of take these, you nibble at them one at a time. Each year you pick off a different project and whether or not you go all the way to kind of someday change your office location and recall, you
know, there's time to time to decide that. I think the most pressing thing right now is uh if we're going to hit a grant cycle at the end of July, we should decide what it is we're trying to get a grant for. Based on everything
we've studied and everything we heard today, I would say it's to to relocate bath house number two. I'd make that your number one priority. Get it located, you know, get it built on that south side of the park. um which
relieves bath house 4, gives you time to think about what you really want to do with bath house 3 and it all kind of sequences from there. So that's that's what we learned today. Sounds smart. By the way, I wanted to
mention two things. Uh one is that when we talked today at at the reception, um you mentioned there might need to be some remodeling in the kitchen as well as opening that wall up. And I just wanted to make sure put that on the record. I don't I didn't worry about
what the details were. You just said, you know, the kitchen mic maybe could use a little bit of spiffing up. Yeah. It's interesting, you know, how the convers So when I talked to you, it was still kind of early in the open house. And so in my mind, I was still very much
thinking we could potentially just remodel this thing. By the time I got all the comments from people, it's like, okay, we should really have um our outlets should be grounded, right? Our um you know, I was talking to one of the
women who uses it, she uses it twice a week, once for quilting and once for crafts. And she's like, and you know, these are things you don't really think about. It just building gets used every day. But because there's no storage, right? The storage happens in the same
room that the stuff happens. So, you got a bunch of tables stacked up on one side and when these women come in, they they need the light tables because they're setting up and they're inevitably behind all the really heavy tables. And she's like, not the end of the world, but as I
get older, this is getting a lot harder. And when you think about it, in a new facility, you would have a room much like this one where you just pull a card out. There's the tables, the light ones, the heavy, whatever. And you set them up and you don't think about that, but there's a lot of little things. U I
think we would definitely want uh when Mike Roth was in, we talked a little bit about the potential, the ideal use of this wreck hall would be it would be for camper use. It would be for things that residents from the city want
to, you know, rent it out for. It's also that trail head building. if you could and in any case you want some nice restrooms in that building up on that side of the park and that's my second question was that if you make it easier for people on the trail to use this as a
kind of trail head does need to be a bigger building. Well, I think there's the opportunity for it to be a little bit bigger. Even some of the campers were saying having a little bit bigger would be better. Um, but having I think the one another issue is that the
restroom that's in there does isn't going to meet like ADA and all that. You probably should have more than just one, you know, one restroom. So the more you know what Doug and I talk about is once you pass a threshold of spending money then you got to
question well are we better off just picking the perfect location for this building uh and putting it there and building it right and uh and you know getting the storage right getting the restrooms right getting the kitchen right investing in that. Um, so there's
probably an argument for that. And my point is we don't have to decide that today, right? Like that's not going to be I don't think that's your first project anyway. That building's working fine today. We can start building to what we really want to, you know, start working a little bit more on. And then
we're going to keep doing that, right? We're going to we're going to keep revising these and moving things until we all feel like we got them right in the right location. And once we do that, then you start saying, "Okay, part one is bath house two. I don't know what the
next move is. Is it bath house 3 or is it the wreck hall?" You know, whatever that's you'll you'll be figuring that out as you go. But the value of thinking three to five years ahead or whatever that duration is is like if you know ideally you're going to relocate and
replace the wreck hall, you know, then that sort of changes the way you think about what you do to it now. It's like you don't spend 200 grand on it now to remodel it if potentially you're going to sort of take it down two years. Does anybody else have any comments or
questions of the LHB people? Dave, when was the wreck hall built? I'm going to guess mid80s. Did we ever feel like we talked about that? But we we haven't we we searched through everything we could find. We couldn't
find any drawings for I feel like it was mid to early 80s kind of started out the wreck hall and there's that addition of the kitchen feels like a after the fact edition the little bump out to the west but yeah it's it's easily
40 years old. Is is that all post pool? Pool was 77 was when the pool was built. Probably post pool. Yeah. What do you mean by post pool? The swimming pool after I I know the word,
but it used to be there like it was built after the pool. An enduring memory in the community. Where was that there? That was the question. Where was the pool in relation to the recall? In that gravel lot, it was north. Yeah, like the
gravel lot. What's under the pond? The pool was north of the current wreck. Yeah. And east, right? So the So the of that north of that parking lot. Yep. It's so it's that gravel lot that's under the pond. Yeah. That's kind of on
the slope. And then there's the pavement of the little parking lot across from the office. That used to be the pool parking lot. Okay. To the east of the wreck hall. But the wreck hall hasn't aged enough that it's
a derelch building, right? It isn't necessarily bad. It might be inadequate. Correct. Right. And how you approach inadequate might be different than how you approach, you know, bath house too. Yeah. Yeah.
Just aged out. Mhm. Yeah. For sure. What we're hearing, what we're feeling is because the grant cycle is tight, we have till the end of the month to apply. That bath house 2 is the first priority. That we're talking
several hundred,000, right? or more. Or more. You mean like closer to a billion? Okay. Well, that's worthy of working on. Yeah. These these park scale buildings for whatever reason are the most expensive per square foot buildings we
ever see, right? Like a simple bath house is extraordinarily expensive on a plumbing fixture intensive to build it durable. Yeah. You know, can you point to whereabouts you would put the new bath house to?
down. Well, it's up for discussion. It is to be determined. The master plan had it in that bank of trees like right where he's got his arrow like on the east side of the road right before it sort of opens up to the harbor view,
right? There's like like a little woodsy grove there and there's a little campsite in there. And according to the master plan, that was that was the preferred location. it because it sort of tucks into the neighborhood and doesn't block anybody's view and it serves the sites down south.
It wouldn't capture the group site though, right? It leaves this. So, and and the other thing to keep in mind, I just mentioned this to Dave earlier, is like this little grove of trees, you put a bath house in there, you're not going to have much of a grove of trees left,
right? And uh what I like about playing with a bath house somewhere down here is that visibility from bath house 4. So the people when when this is the one that's overloaded, they're just they can look right over and go, "Well, I'm going to walk right over there." Mhm. I also
love that it's close to your picnic shelter and all of the facilities here where that's where people are. They have no options. So, it might be nice to serve that that we can make the application for the grant money without telling them exactly where the building will be. Exactly. I think we just
generally show them what we're going to do. We generally show them a plan of what it would be and we get the grant app in and see what happens. And then we're still going to have time to figure out these details. I walked yesterday from the picnic shelter to the portaotti
that is closest to the lake at the boat launch. at the boat launch. And I don't know how far that is. Maybe 300 feet. Oh, more than that. Not even 200. Yeah. And it felt to me because you
have to go around some things and up and down and around. I don't walk so good. It felt to me like it was too far. And it would have been nice to have a portaotti closer or a facility closer to the to the shelter. because the shelter
is pretty much out there by itself. Yeah. Yeah. That that's about a city block. More like 600 feet, I think. Yeah. Anyway, it was uncomfortably long. It wasn't terribly urgent. It wasn't a crisis, but I sort of kept an eye on the distance. And it would have been nice to
have something closer either into the campground or along the access road to the campground, something. And that's just what this is addressing. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't think you need to throw another portaotty in there, but when you're positioning, keep the
shelter in mind. I think it matters exactly what this Speaking of portaotties, we were really curious about something. When we drove down past bath house 4, someone came out of a porta potty literally bath house 4 because when it's closed
for cleaning, right, and you really got to go, that's why they do their laundry, right? That was our theory. You were right. Yeah. Nice. Our cleaners have asked for that to because you just like the big complaint where you're trying to clean and it's closed down and folks got to go and I
just got to go. Can I just go and then say no, use the porta potty. Was the solution to that? I just need to go quick. Okay. Presumably there's a better time of day than others to do the cleaning. Oh, for sure. Like not first thing in the morning and not last thing at night, right? We structure that the
same way. But we got to shut the facility down. And this is what we've heard from our staff that came to the open house was like, wouldn't it be great if we could just lock ourselves in and clean and with a utility room that's connected? Right now at Bath House 4, all the bath houses, we have to put up
the yellow, you know, little pylons and the flagging because the doors have to stay open. The utility rooms are not connected to the internals of the bath houses. They have to walk around, walk through the main entrance, which creates all this friction amongst guests that
they see the closures, but they really got to go. And our staff interacts and says, "No, you can't go in there. We're cleaning right now." And so part of this evolved design is a a utility room with doors to the to the stalls from the
inside. So we can It's when it's closed, it's closed. It's locked and we're cleaning inside of it. We we thought it was really an interesting they're like in our dream world. This is what like we would go into that middle work area where all of our stuff is. We lock these
things, you know, so no one can get in and then we're going to work between them from the inside out. When we're all done, we unlock the doors and away we go. So, we're going to look at that. I mean, those are the that's the next level design that we're not at yet, but I think it's worthy of exploring that.
Mhm. You you can build that into a new building. Can you build that into like four? Mm-m. I don't think so. Pretty difficult. You'd lose fixtures. A fixture somewhere, right? For sure. Yeah. It's too tight. You can't retrofit. No. To
the optimal. No. And that's that's one of the other benefits that we never really talked about of rather than doing a jumbo bath house where you get one shot at it. I always assume you learn stuff every time you build something. So you've learned something. Your bath
there's a reason your bath house 4 is your bath best bath house. You've learned, right? Got better. So whatever this next one we if we rebuild bath house 2, it's going to be better than everything else because we're going to have learned. Well, if you get two more
cracks like bath house then you build a new bath house 3, that's going to be improved based on what you learned on. So there is an evolution, you know. So maybe we try something with that that door and that system and now
they're doing that. They're like this is it or like not not what we hoped, right? Let's not do that again or whatever. So So opportunities to learn. So what do you need, Dave?
Nothing formal, I don't think. I mean it's just progress these guys are on and we got to I think pick our priority maybe the conclusion that bath house 2 is the one we go for in this grant cycle absolutely if you want a formal vault we can have
one do we have a is still there we have a quorum mr chair well in that case if somebody were to make a motion I'd have to recognize it so move is there a second yeah I'll second that pursue
grant writing for Bethos 2 that we would ask staff and LHB to do what needs to be done to apply for the grant from the state by the end of the month which is the deadline and that the apply they'd be applying for a grant to replace and
move Bath House 2 to a better location. So the motion is to empower Dave and LHB to move on. That's correct. That was without without another meeting. Okay. Is there any discussion? All those in
favor, please say I. I. I. There be no nobody left to oppose. It passes. All right. I think we finished the agenda. Thank you, gentlemen. It's been most interesting day. That sounds really smart. That sounds really good. Yeah.
Is there anything that in terms of making the current recall a trail head, is there anything you can foresee on that looking ahead or is that way down in the three to five? No, I mean there there are things you can
start doing like I think the real benefit of that building is to be intentional about the trails that are within the park, making sure that they get back to that building. I think that's something that could be done and um but I think I think we got to just explore a little bit and that's part of
what we're going to do now is um just try to look at like what's the cost of a building a new building roughly compared to what are the items that we just took in today based on our conversations and Doug spent a lot more time measuring and looking and knocking on things and so
we'll one last thing and that is um the we talked about a high priority being improving the signage and direction stuff. Uh we haven't that's not in this year's application I gather but we need to probably put that next on
the agenda I would think especially if we're thinking about a trail head because we want people to know where to go and we want to invite them to come down to the trail head if they're on the trail and that sort of thing. I'm really glad you just mentioned that because when we were driving in, we were paying particular attention. Like I'm Let's
pretend we have no idea where this campground is or where this park is. And uh you know, there's basically that one blue skinny sign that says camping with an arrow. We have in mind another much bigger sign that's Patrick working on.
No. Well, somebody's working on it, right? We've been talking about a sign that we lost our sign. Maybe we should do some work to get a sign up that says library park and wreck golf course and and liquor store. Again, we've definitely
been talking about a gateway sign, entrance sign. We had a big one up, you know, pre61 redesign re config. What brought it down was it was half in the rightway. Oh, yeah. So, a big like corner sign was
they took it down. Yeah. I I think I think it'd be really great to get something back up that and and I think what's interesting here is I've always thought of this as an RV park. And until I really got into this project and
started understanding just what an incredible asset this is, you know, yes, there's a campground, but there's all this other stuff going on here. Uh, I don't know how you put that in a sign. It's my It's my city park. It's got some RVs in it. Yeah. I mean, it really it
really We use it for the waterfront. Use it for the picnic shelter. Absolutely. Use it for kite flying, baseball, just so much. Use it for all kinds of stuff and I've never had an RV in my life and I'm not going to have one. But they do
bring in a revenue stream. That raises the question that a sign like that's a h 100,000 bucks by the time you do a good job. Well, we hope less. Yeah, hopefully less. Well, should we put some money for that sign in our application while we're
at it? No, I think we should focus on the facility on the bath house. Okay. We can we have our own funds to build a We have a budget. I just don't want to lose the sign. We've been we've been talking about it for long enough that it's time to put it on the agenda somewhere. I
think Dave, do we own the corner where the sign would go? We do. Where the trail used to come up? Mhm. Yep. Yeah. We have to move it. The sign would have to be moved west and then
make it taller. Yeah. Because there's a kind of a kind of a hole in that ditch there. So you'd have to it can't be right up against our driveway because that state right away or be kind of I don't know. We talked about where you'd place that sign. You don't want it right
on the road or right on the driveway. You want a little bit before it somewhere. So Right. Right. And it would be nice if it was lighted so that people driving by at dusk would see that it was there and come back to it at some other point. But that's another project.
Right. I understand that. But I but it's one we've been dumbing quite a while. Mhm. Mhm. And I think we need to move ahead. Okay. Well, if there's no other business, we'll declare the building meeting
adjourned. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Craig.