##VIDEO ID:nn30UHmEaRw## n [Music] a [Music] for [Music] Hal [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] he [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] n [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] he [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] m [Music] [Music] for [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] I [Music] n the [Music] n [Music] [Music] [Music] ahahahahahahahahah [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] nah n [Music] n [Music] a [Music] good afternoon and welcome to the Board of Education work session for GLE Evans uh school district 6 we will now come to order uh Miss lemon we call the rooll force please director Zari present director Bentley present director Campos spitzy present director mes pres director Matthews pres director Norwood present director Sullivan pres all board members present thank you Miss L first in our agenda is calendar review Community engagement and so we it's pretty light we've gotten through a lot of what we what we're going to do um although we have some big events coming up one uh Wednesdays our all day board retreat we'll start at 9:00 a.m. and then I think we have breakfast did I see we got an invitation for breakfast is that what time is that Miss Lon it'll be there at 8:30 8:30 okay so breakfast at 8:30 we're starting promptly at nine o'clock uh that's Ed batty Hall in am Community College which one's Ed batty Hall it's where the president's office is so it's not you're not as far uh East as the Welcome Center so it's Cornerstone building then kind of at batty hall and then the same when who was at last time yeah okay yeah across from the gym do you know where the gym is you'll see it it says big on the side of an EDB Hall yeah you'll see it call if you get lost we'll guide you in there's a on the 16th Northridge uh Marine Corps jrtc ball um at the UNCC ballroom at 5:00 and then we do have a school visit before we before we break for Thanksgiving and that's at Franklin on the 18th at 9:45 a.m. and that gets us all the way through uh to casby um that's the next thing on December 4th so anything else that we need on there no meeting in two weeks Thanksgiving week no meeting in two weeks um we routinely on the 4th Monday of November and December just because those fall in the holidays don't mean that so next on our agenda are board member comments and reports and so we will start with Miss Sullivan today uh let's see on Monday I went over to to um Zoe's Cafe they had a talent show it was a fundraiser for Northern Colorado um animals that's oh like thank you they've changed names because they were recently bought out because the one here in gley closed and it was bought out by the one out of lur County so they've uh did change their name but um yeah they had a fundies and it was just the kids that showed up to do a talent show I don't know maybe about 25 kids um showed up for singing dancing doing gymnastics different talents that they just brought to the state so that was a fun event and then uh that was about all I had but um I do want to congratulate Ryan Gonzalez um he did um win his uh election and he's actually a former student of Northridge High School so definitely want to give him some Kudos because that kid worked really hard to uh it's neat just to see somebody of his age getting active in uh politics and taking an interest in his community so and then yasine Novara she's our new state board um representative so congratulations to her thank you Miss hman Dr campus um so I just wanted to talk about our Chapo School visit on Friday um principal Christopher kefir and assistant principal Christina KAC um welcomed us into their classrooms we went into several grade levels um I was impressed by their music and drama classes but Fally impressed by their eighth grade math class um and really just standing there I felt like I learned about dilation which um a concept that the math teacher was teaching um so then their assistant principal bragged a little bit that uh this specific math teacher happens to be one of the best in the district um so was happy to see that our magnet of arts school which is the home of of the Arts is also um teaching kids how to use the the left side of their the hemisphere of their brains as well so really cool um also wanted to celebrate uh a win on the ballot which is the fact that Amendment 80 did not pass in the state of Colorado I do think this will ensure that our public dollars remain in our Public Schools um and on the topic of school choice just wanted to remind everyone that it is open enrollment time for district 6 started on November 1st and will run through December 19th um so if you want your kiddo to attend a school that's not your neighborhood school um go to the district 6 website and uh that will guide you on how to apply for um your preferred School it is not guaranteed and there's a lot of weight list um but uh you can try um this applies to eighth graders as well as they're choosing their high schools um I know that on Friday evening at the career in teched Center um the district hosted the eighth grade career Expo just to expose our families um and inform them of all the different career Pathways that we have in the district and where they're housed in which high school um so that parents and their eighth graders are me informed choices as they choose the high school that best meets their interests um and lastly I wanted um to say thank you for hiring a new bilingual Communications team member um I really do believe that having a Spanish speaker on the communications team will serve to improve our parent and Community engagement in the district thank you Dr kampo spitzy I did manage to get out to a couple of events but on today being Veterans Day I want to take a moment to thank all the people the men and women that have served our country fought for our freedoms that we enjoy today and I especially want to thank one of our own personal board members Mr dor aari for your service to this country thank you so and last thing 101 days till picturers and catchers report count NE count now all right thank you Mr Norwood Mr Bley yeah uh kind of slow for me I also just joined everybody at Chapo on Friday uh it was always great to be there that school is probably one of the one of my personal favorites as far as the the bond updates just seeing the difference that made there um just seems like it I don't know if it actually is a little bit bigger and better than the other ones but it just seems to get glows um and it just it's a fun place to be so uh they did the administration there did a great job and um just a wonderful school to visit so looking forward to the holidays thank you Mr Bley well thank you um again Rob uh and I also too would like to extend my appreciation to all our staff members throughout the schools who have served in the armed forces and that they live through their service uh the words uh service above self that they are willing to do what is necessary in the best interest of our students their families and their fellow staff members so I do deeply appreciate that and uh call attention to the fact that the ROC is going to be celebrating uh its birthday on uh November 16th and I think that that's great that we have that unit out at Northridge and I appreciate their service and commitment to our students and finally I also went to chapelo and a great school visit once again and I know that those uh can be uh challenging for the administration and the staff to have the school board in the school walking through the hallways and into classrooms and I really do thank the staff members uh for their professionalism and their work with the kids under those circumstances so that's all I have thanks president Matthews thank you Mr oori Vice President mesh I also enjoyed our visit to Chapo and it was great that it lined up we got to see the orchestra practicing the theater uh kids learning about Miss saon I think is what it's just kind of how you can emote even when you're singing and there's a third was the band the band was playing too anyway that was a lot of fun um I also was privileged to get to enjoy the gy philarmonic Youth Orchestra performance um directed by Mr aari and the orchestra has doubled in size since last time um the first concert I went to was in this very small kind of annex of the First Congregational Church and this time it was in the big beautiful um um what's that word Sanctuary Sanctuary thank you um so yeah the kids did amazing again it's another wonderful way for students from all throughout the district and I think even Johnstown and Windsor yes um to get to collaborate and um then they had two trumpeters from the gy Phil do a piece with them and that was just so it just rang out in that space so yeah congratulations and um love to see that more and more students are in embracing their orchestral skills thank you thanks vice president mash um don't have much to add the chapelo visit as always a very good um I I used to walk those Halls all the time and I I just don't do that all that often anymore so it was great to get to go back and uh see what's what's happening it's always great to see the improvements and the difference they're making especially on days where it's cold um and and you also have other things going on and and I say it like that because oftentimes the you would need to have kids in the gym you know instead of on the playground except that the gym was being used uh as a performance space and so it was um it's great to have that new performance space in that that school also got to go to the Council of student representatives and be with those guys um they we got some of their feedback on on the cell phone policy and how it how it's working and um from different schools and so that was that was interesting to hear U from from them but that's that's pretty much my my two weeks and so uh thank you all and we'll move right along to next agenda item which is cell phone Task Force update thank you Mr um Matthews and Mr osus is making his way up to uh give this update and um I think Miss Silva is going to join him as well and the two of them have really been leading this work and uh leading the task force in this work and I'll let them walk through a little bit of an update for you and then you'll have an opportunity to share questions and comments and um they'll be happy to answer those questions yes yes we would so thank you president Matthews members of the board um Dr pilch so um just thank you for giving us the time to talk to you um share with you what we've implemented this year and and just how things are going cell phones have received a lot of attention over the last couple years and so we've we've noticed that we've watched that we've seen the trend and so um this last year then we um knowing that we just need a strong start out of the gate we started um to reach out to some of the schools and reach out to um our students and some some of our um stakeholders to listen to them and put a policy in place but really grounded the policy grounded in our own current policy in our current practice in our Cur policy that we have and I just want to start with that here and so this is part of the board policy that we have and I just want to read part of this to you and so the Board of Education believes personal technology devices may be useful tools for students in educational environment and can play a vital communication role during emergency situations and I think that's I think it's pretty powerful too because we all know that they they do have some um some positives however use of personal technology devices or ptds in school situations must be regulated to assure that the use of such devices does not disrupt or interfere with the educational process or School operations and I think that's where we dug in is right there in that area and so um thinking about our elementary through a middle school where whereas we just don't use our cell phones at all so not permitted at all you would not see a cell phone in our kindergarten through W grade classes and so so then coming out to high school and listening I'm thinking about classrooms like classrooms are just off limits in our classrooms um and then we do allow some flexibility outside the classrooms but that was the regulated um that we that we came to and then with our policy I didn't go I'll get this nope I knew that there we go so with the more regulated policy um we just know we had to strengthen and and be more consistent with this policy and so um we also wanted a policy that was going to protect our teachers and so we did not want our teachers to have this become their their largest battle so whereas teachers could just say put the phone away and if and if the student would argue then this turns into an administrator action and so we just want to make sure our teachers could teach and our students could learn we did all of this with the thought of coming out with a very strong plan in the 2425 school year um and then as stated just want to make sure that we were listening and being good stewards um and and good leaders in our district to make sure we're listening to others as we as we pass the policy as we created and supported the policy I am going to get this okay there we go all right I figured it out but now we're one too fast so there we go so we did create a task force um around this one to review the practices of our cell phone policy um and the implementation and to be able to progress monitor um the use of this and so we we've been in class rooms we've done cell phone walks we've done um a lot of cohort visits where we've been in the classroom quite a bit and just looking for um not only good instruction but also are the teachers and the students following the policy that we have put together task force is made up um of District leadership um Kim myself and building principal teachers from our high schools will be a part of this one and we just say high schools at this point our middle schools in elementary we just have a policy that just has no phones and so um probably won't see much of of of teachers or parents at that level because we just like that's just um cut and dry we want to hear from high schools we want to hear from parents we want to hear from students around us we do have we did include some information around what districts are doing around us and you'll see where we are where we have a dis policy um phone must be sword or out of sight in our policy we said like put this in your backpack put this in your pocket just don't want to see that um and then we also had the policy not in elementary or middle schools and you'll see that there are a couple other districts like pter and Boulder Valley who have that same policy that that we do um do want to call out that Adams 20 does have a policy where they where they take their phones and they lock up their phones during the day um we did reach out to Academy 20 earlier this year and this was when and they they did kind of a late policy and they all say we did this late we did not get a ton of inut input from people so it was a little rough start implementing um I have not checked in with them recently um but they recommended that whatever you do that you get lots of input and so I felt good about um Gathering the information that we um had gathered sometimes I do go to schools and I see phones out and I know that I've talked to several of you on visits where we've seen phones out because cell phones can be used as a positive tool we've seen cell phones used as language translations and you I've seen students that have taken their phone and they hover it and it turns into that language and so they are following along with um with the the work assigned and they can see that in their own um language that they're speaking I I see calculators um this does save does save that extra purchase of a calculator um and so if they can just use that right there we had a couple situations early where we talked to some parents because um for medical reasons they just had to have their phone close by just for um to tracking of glucose and such things and so so by putting that in their pocket or close by that um that seemed to satisfy the parent and then lately um one of the schools I I swear I was going to catch a student so I said what are you doing with that phone and so had uh I would have been nice but um but went over and and they had pictures of their notes because they said I just can't see I can't see that far so I take a picture I take a picture um of the slide and I put that here and then I just blow it up and I can take notes on the side and then I have that for later to and so and so there are saw that I actually saw a teacher say yeah if if if you're sitting too far back take a picture of this classroom and so there there are some uses and and brings up another reason like you know can you have glasses can you not can you move up but but there are some reasons that we've seen students use phones in a positive way recently conducted some listing sessions with our Council student reps um through our administrators uh continue ongoing conversations with administrators and then through teachers with a Google form um that we have S out to team leads and such to just collect collect the overall um impact of the cell phone policy this year I would have to say that just calling attention to this policy is a great start and so I'll say it's not perfect there are times when I still go into classrooms and I'm I walk out and I say okay we're not there yet with this teacher um and so but overall when I talk to their principles they they say 80% 90% And and it's new anytime you have something that's brand new it does take a little bit of time to get um 100% implementation and so I'll let Kim talk a little bit about the feedback that she re just I want to just clarify there is no new policy this is the policy we had um what the focus has been has been to really fully implement the policy we had in place call attention to it yeah pay attention to the policy call call attention to the policy and actually have teachers and administrators and students follow the policy and then I'll have Kim um share a share a little bit of the feedback that we've received so I I've met with mostly secondary principles High School principles I meet with them often and here are some of the things that they have indicated to me um theyve talked about the cell phone that it's way down in their building although it's not perfect it's way down from where it was last year um and they are grateful for that um they also said any teacher that is like really wanting this policy in the past they were like we just need this policy and as a principal I heard that too you know we just if we had a universal policy that would be helpful for me um that that that has really supported their work in the classrooms particularly for the ones that were just really wanting that extra kind of backing just to feel that um they could just say we have this policy just put put your phone away um they they have indicated that a majority of the students are following the expectations that are set forth in the classroom that they are by and large that cell phones are are put away um they they really are believing that this is the right level of support that if we were to have like High a lot higher levels of support especially at Big comprehensive schools it would be hard um to manage um but uh they did say that you know they they also indicated we've got some consistency issues and we've got to work on those in our building but it's a new policy and by and large it's way down from years um previous years so and I met with principales as recently as last week last week um to talk to them because I've talked twice you said it would be hard to manage on the screen it says a management nightmare that one principal said that those are yeah a management nightmare was one of what one principal particularly said like to think and what what would make it a management nightmare I think the worry is when they leave the school of the like if you take a school of 2,000 kids and managing 2,000 kids getting their phones back or you know trying to figure out how they would do that for off blocks and when they go to different campuses that that would be really hard I think that so this is the case where a phone would be locked up in a pouch for example like Academy 20 yeah that's what they're thinking and then that so someone has to ensure that phone gets locked up and then someone has to unlock this is usually magnetized and so you've got to stand by some kind of a device where they run over the device and unlock the phone to take that out and put that in and take that times arrival at lunch you're leaving for lunch going back from lunch end of the day for whatever reason and so that so they there with that and said okay we just need more people to be able to manage this they were just worried about how how would we man how would we manage that especially in really large schools when you have students leaving and coming at every period of the day um and at lunch and all all sorts of things and how the what would was just um was just worry just worrisome for those especially at the large really large buildings um feedback from teachers um we we I had uh the principles send out a Google form to some of their leads teachers in their building just said just give me a sampling of like what teachers are kind of feeling so I I pasted some direct quotes from them um this was this was one particular teacher I don't know exactly what school each one came from because they all just kind of came anonymously um this one just said absolutely I have always had a personal cell phone policy that um has been almost exactly the same as this current policy but this has really helped me like enforce my force my rules and this particular teacher said they they've always known that the administrator would come support them but um that the messaging has just felt clear and better to to them um another um teacher said the department feels um because this was a department lead so they talked to some of the Departments U teachers in their Department our department feels the use of a cell phone policy positively impacts the student learning environment because it's not the distraction there that is there so they were grateful for that um they did know I saw this when several the responses that not all teachers across the school follow the policy um so we did get that feedback um this this was a direct quote so I know that this because students tell me teachers tell me and I've seen it when I've gone into classrooms I wonder um what can we do just to ensure that consistency across the building um I I saw that in several comments really really appreciative for the for the for the policy definitely is down from last year and we need more consistency really across our building um we also have substitutes and lots of different you know factors that could be taken into you know to play there but that um by and large pretty positive uh comments other than the consistency piece being an area Focus uh feedback from students we met a student council president Matthews was there his comments were kind of all over the place but I'll try to summarize them I don't have R quotes because I really wanted to just listen um so uh here's some of the things that I heard and I think they talked a little after I left so president Matthew's you heard a few additional comments but you know like one particular student said that they like the policy it allows for them to have them on them but just not during instructional time and they were appreciative of that uh I did hear from a couple students that when phones went into Cubbies they call them Cubbies or cell phone lockers um if you think of the old calculator holders that you know we had our those fancy calculators we put them in there're some classrooms across their District are you actually quite a few classrooms are you utilizing those where you put them in there um we even had like teachers that took attendance that way that that helped too because their phones were in there um that the grades actually went up um some of them were a little reluctant to want to say that but I did hear it from a couple of people um we did student council reps is mostly Juniors and seniors um I believe and so we did hear like teachers tend to be more lenient with upper grades um and I'm thinking these are Juniors and seniors so if they said um president Matthews asked once like is it better than last year and they said well you know but I but I'm older and they're more lenient I think in the older grades and and we're getting ready for College and Career something they really leaned into um all of them said that well I don't know all of them I think most of them think the policy is very helpful for younger kids you know just maybe not me for younger kids that it is really that it may be helpful right um they definitely didn't want a stricter policy they they appreciated that they could have it on them or in their classroom uh but definitely heard those things it was kind of a little bit of like all over the place with kind of the feedback but um so that that's that's what we heard from students we we've just done that that student council of reps group with students I've talked to teachers and I've talked to principles at all kind of levels but um I haven't had as many listening sessions with students outside of that initi one um I would just say I am in classrooms though every week almost every day multiple classrooms and um have been a building administrator for many years in this district and I sure don't see very many of them out and it might be because I'm walking with the principal or an assistant principal but um it it is significantly down from what it has been in the past in my opinion and I'm in I'm in classrooms almost almost every day so that's just my my thought and next steps and many of you know that I just I just graduated a senior from North roaches last year and I went to his conferences and what the what did the teacher say man he's Che on his phone a lot if you could just focus right so part of this could be living my own experience with my son to say okay we got to put these away so we started these conversations we're not there yet we have a policy we have a policy we do any of the board members about it just it is it is a book that just um highlights a study of some of the psychological effects that phones can have on kids so if you focus on those like you need to have systems in place to make sure that that is not their world right and so we feel like we're addressing that by saying when you're in class like you've got to put that away because you will focus on you will focus on this phone if we let you and it can't be addicting so just put it away and and there's time that there is time that you you'll have time for that but not here in class so grounded in that research so just a couple of questions before all of this was implemented kind of throughout the state and and conferences you know at casby and other such places that there could be have been a potential for parent complaints especially the younger grades not necessarily High School have we experienced that at all in the school district for younger yeah um we actually in our younger grades uh we have had this for a few years and so we we've just um phones are just put away phones are just put away they and they don't and they don't argue and parents don't complain either and so it's we just haven't had a lot of complaints at the um kindergarten through eth grade level which is which is great so a lot of this is focused on just being consistent at the high school level that's because that is um an area that we just haven't addressed as much as we as much as we could in the past but this year um much stronger stance that's good to hear and then the second question I have is the procedures involving consequences is that um has have those been established districtwide or do you leave that up to the individual building to determine what's in the best interest of their building yeah we did add that to our um to our wait our not student handbook on on our called to behavior Matrix but it's our response to behaviors and so of that's in there as well and we just don't want this to be a teacher thing and so sometimes in the past I know that teachers would fight the battle and if they don't give it to them the teachers might grab it or we just want to make sure that we don't get we don't have that kind of battle and so we said just teachers ask them put it away if they're not put it away then just contact your administrator and let your administrator handle that situation but we do have systematic um consequences that that do grow for each consequence or each incident yeah and from what I'm hearing in this report this evening is that things are going smoothly in regards to this these procedures at this point including the consequences for Behavior yes I yeah I think we've got that yeah and like I said we're just working on when you know Anthony has heard from parents when a cell phone has been taken away for the day um but but that but that sends the message and it takes care of the problem it isn't a Contin you know a continual problem MH it's very inconvenient for our parents um especially with high school when they don't feel like they have to come to the high school but when they when they have to come get their phone then that that has a pretty good result and we don't automatically go to suspension or anything like we just we really want to solve this at the lowest level thank you mhm I have a question um so so thank you for highlighting that consistency is kind of what remains to be figured out um and and you just your slide said what what can we do to be sure all teachers must follow the policy so just asking that right back to you like what can we do to make sure all teachers follow the policy like who would that fall on would it be the principal's job would it be higher up I I agree I right now I'm talking to the principles and so the teach teachers actually said I think one of the comments I'm not sure we put it in here but it said principles came out with the strong St right away but then as time went on you just heard less and less about it and and whatever your monitoring gets done right and so we just need to go back to um to that level of um implementation that we had in that same excitement we had coming out in August and September but it will be handled at the building level it'll be hand at the building level and and we will work with principal especially when we're when we're in classrooms every week and so it's it's when we have um when we have it in phones in certain areas it's just working with working with teachers um you know respectfully and and then also just working with the the principal to make sure that they um are articulating their expectation I have several um miss syva you were in my room a time or two yes you know how I handled kids that got their phones up I growled at him I think I growled at an administrator one time that came into my room got on her phone um what's what's the policy to help teachers because I know uh when I was teaching we all get tired and we get to where we just don't want to deal with it anymore so what kind of support systems are there for um the teachers that just shut the door and say I'm just going to do it my way that's that's one I've got several other questions as well too but um after that one then um you talked about some of the kids use them as calculators and trans translators um and take notes would it not be in the district's budget somewhere to buy cheaper calculators and then the translators that we use sometimes at meetings for some of our students and then cannot teachers sometimes upload their notes online for the students as well so sorry that's a lot in one but you want those take I mean yeah I think there are things we can do for sure to help Provide support at all levels there um because it you know it it it doesn't help our consistency when it's it's okay for this but not for this and you know that that message gets mixed for kids and so um I think we can look at some things for sure there are some translation devices that we have seen um in our I saw one in a K8 walk through that they were utilizing that was not a cell phone that was something else that was being utilized um that was helpful for those students that were utilizing it I believe that was at twon one day when we were there so I think I think there are things that we can look at and I think that's that's the purpose for the walkthroughs and the listing sessions and so if these are the current uses are there some other ways that we can get the same result without phones and just put them away because I do first thing I do when I see a phone is I walk right over what are you doing what are you doing with that and I'll say put that away right and so but many times it is sometimes they have a legit reason and we just need to in our sessions say like is this do we allow for legit reasons or do we problem solve around this we just say no put everything else away those of you who've been able to go on some high school visits with us you've seen students using their phones for translation at the high school level um I I do think we don't have enough right now of the translation devices so if that's the direction we went we would have to invest some dollars to get as many as we need we saw that at one of the elementaries as well with a a teacher who used it with a absolutely yeah she did it was that was pretty impactful for me I think the teacher was most likely using her own cell phone she she um spoke into it and then shared it with the student you oh go ahead um we haven't done any listening with parents is that correct we have a um in our daak session coming up we'll have a listen session with our parents and DC and then what we're asking them to do is go talk to their sack and then talk to their parent Community around there to bring some of that back to us as well so that's our communication plan with our DC and that's on our agenda for this um upcoming meeting sounds good and then um just one other question and it's they're not necessarily related but since I'm on that the student health advisory committee uh have we noticed at all with this cell phone policy enacting it a decrease in cyber bullying or anything along those lines even though we know that that happens outside of school hours as well but have we noticed that all in our schools I we did have a conversation um around during class and so sometimes things would happen and they would blow up during class and they would get on their phone and that would just consume them for that whole period and so I don't know if I don't know if we have the data yet to talk about what's happening outside um but I know that it is limiting there's um fewer incidents in class where students would blow up and get upset and that's all they would do is be on that phone um in the book game consideration it just talks about how students are so addicted to their social media and and their lives and they're posting things on the that are happening to them and and when they post something they're so nervous what what are people going to say and so they're just they just sit on their phone to make sure that they're getting the right feedback for this and and so sometimes that was happening during class and it was um and it would blow up during class so we don't have that anymore but um like regardless whether it's at lunch or at night it's just it's it's something that we just have to continue to support our students thanks I don't think Mr Norwood's first question was answered which was something like you know what what can be done calculators if teachers are getting you know they're just tired of dealing with it and they want to go in their classroom and close their door and do it their way cuz there's not a consistent method right my understanding is that every classroom has a cell phone garage but my understanding is maybe half of the teachers use that students put in fake phone um so we give that so we give teachers some choice and so sometimes you'll see where they'll put it up in sometimes they'll put it up on the thing and according to what we recommend is that you just put it out of site just keep it in your pocket keep in your backpack I just don't want to see it on your desk and so lots of flexibility inside there and yes I'm sure there's probably a teacher who just comes in and and and probably has offered cell phones for a reward after your work or done something and we're saying we're saying um no like let's let's let's do more work after work um and so um so there probably is still the teacher who a carryover from that and and um we'll continue to work with with all teachers and continue to be in classrooms and support support the yeah I know this time of the year too that teachers are feeling a lot of tarties and they're getting the testings and things like that so I I just remember and even in my own situation I would just shut my door and say leave me alone yeah so I think it's good that you guys are going in to help them because I think especially new teach teachers that come fresh out of college are not quite ready for um some of the things they might face in the classroom like to fight it's good you guys are doing that too yeah thanks and I know to answer your question well Deeper Life we don't always just make people put up visible some teachers that's what they choose and they just want to see it and we support that um but it's it does we try to give some flexibility on on how on how they can manage that policy and I think that's then what leads to the inconsistency because I can be like well Anthony has an A in my class so I'll let it slide this time but Kim she's really struggling she I'm going to take her phone and also if they have it in their pocket it's buzzing I don't know I I have a much um I don't I don't know I I feel like this is the issue this is the issue for our students and not it can be addictive it is designed to be addictive we have given our students a highly damaging highly addictive device to put their pocket like here have just a little cocaine just use a little use it wisely don't use it during class we wouldn't have a cartoon show on we wouldn't have anything else distracting our students but for some reason why is this different they can't bring toys to school they can't bring a pet to school they can't bring a gun to school but they can bring their cell phone that disrupts them entirely from their train of thought um one of the teachers said that the the measure of a um of your attention span used to be can you read a 100 Pages without stopping okay for one our students do not read at all for pleasure right I don't know any kids that read for pleasure they're certainly not reading a book after they're done with their their assignment they're not talking with their friends they're not playing hacky sack in the courtyard like play based childhood is done the connection between students is is lacking and I also just I asked every teacher when I went to to conferences and maybe it's that it's halfway through the semester and we're tired of trying and even a student was like yeah they were real strict for a few weeks and now they're not and so and I get if if a if a teacher has to call the administrator That's A disruption like they're like oh could you just put it away so I can get back to this if I have to call the administrator then they come in 10 minutes and then they deal with it and then you know I get it I don't want it to be on the teachers at all and so leave it at home leave it in your car I don't know I just I feel so very strongly about it and I know it's my own personal experience my son one of his teachers was like I don't have a problem with cell phones at all the next day he was texting me in her class asking me if we could buy this car for him like it was not anything important right and I'm like what are you doing get back to German but um but it's not it's not just my kid I know that and so I'll speak from the medical perspective it's really interesting um I use these handouts at all my well child visits so starting I see babies at their 3 to five week 3 to 5 day visit a onewe visit a twoe visit two month four months 6 months 9 months 12 months all the way through adolescence um and and I have a these handouts that are endorsed by the American Academy of Pediatrics that I hand out and it's called Bright Futures and it gives it's just parent counseling and it is crazy I mean the AAP is acknowledging this nightmare and at like my one week visit it's already on the hand out of like your family needs to come up with a media like a media plan and you do not put a onee old in front of a television and like I mean it's it's just so real and then in my adolescent visits I give how to be internet addiction handouts and you know how to beat cyber bullying and and it it's just real right like and and the mental health um problems that are coming with it are are very real so just want to Echo the seriousness of it and so glad that our district is doing something about it and yeah just wanting it to continue to improve and I I will say too that I not been out of the classroom all that long it was a battle I fought every single classroom where you would be trying to get the kids attention and you you know which ones are doing it when they're looking down so may maybe next year the summer when the new teachers come in uh and not only with the students as well too consequences but Rewards when we go out as a family everybody's phone stays away first person to get their phone out picks up the tab so I mean consequences and rewards both I think would be good for students but um and I really appreciate what you guys are doing that is a tough battle me this is really tough sorry Mr nor I I think do any of you have any other comments before I go launch well I think I think what we're seeing in the data from our principles is they're not asking for a more restrictive practice they're asking for the policies we currently have to be fully implemented and for those practices to be consistent but I I don't think we're going to see a recommendation come from the listening sessions that says we want more restriction so I think if if this board is desirous of more restriction on cell phones in our high schools and all of our schools that you all are going to have to have a more deep conversation over the next month or two and and really determine if if you you want to make a policy to go deeper and then and then to help us to determine financially what we you know what we trade off and we have estimated this to be about a $1 million cost initially um and that would be for some kind of yeah that would be if we were to lock cell phones up yeah if we were to do what Academy 20 did our estimate is about million dollar cost to do the magnetic pouches um I think the that that's you know that's a onetime cost that's somewhat ongoing but it's not going to be a million every year they're not all going to get ruined they're not all going to get lost um but I think the bigger cost is probably Personnel that at a large high school we would need multiple people to manage that if unless we want to put that on our teachers to manage it and I don't think any of us do I know you want to take burden off of teachers um and we can certainly learn in the meantime from Academy 20 they do have some larger high schools there how you know how they have managed that at their larger high schools um but I think I I don't hear your task force saying we want to go more restrictive there might be some things we could do to clean this up more I think um I know one of the questions that some of you have asked me is why is everyone just not using the phone garage and uh part of his teachers they don't want to manage that they don't want to look and double check whose phone is in the phone garage they want to tell you keep your phone put away and if I see it out I'm going to I'm going to let an administrator know that I've had to repeatedly tell you to put your phone away Doran and so um I think I I do think my the teachers advisory Council teachers have felt more supportive than they ever have in the past and it's really been about teachers just locking arms AC cross a school and saying we're all going to enforce this we're all going to practice this and and when students don't follow through in the way they're supposed to here's what we are all going to do when it breaks down is when you have teachers in a building that may not be willing to do that or have decided Well they're juniors and seniors they they can make the decision themselves they're seniors in high school um and they like to have the district cover this is a district policy which it is it's Bo policy um but it just seems like every it just we work on something and then someone says oh I think we'll use it for a reward it's like so no we're just retraining this is a a year where we just retrain we say no we're not doing that either like is just when we say no it's just no but we need to clean up though it's a little bit um it's like um Mr would your questions around like if we use it for this and that we use it you know people are people are just testing it and we just need to figure out if we just say no or do we allow some translation services do we put our dollars in into that and so we don't have to have phones for translation but we instead we have a different device so there's really no reason to have a phone I I will tell you I think this translation piece is uh to see it as prev you know as prevalent as we do is a new thing for district 6 we have a thousand new to Country students since July 1 and now that's preschool through 12th grade they're not all sitting in our high schools but um the volume of students we have coming who are new to speaking the English language and reading the English language is significantly higher than it has been in the past and so that's probably why we're seeing more students use their phones for translation we they're probably there is still more need for more translation devices no question about it throughout the system I don't want to get into an argument over semantics but I'm I'm curious about the word the policy we have a policy that does not specifically address cell phones yes it does it does it specifically addresses cell but that's not in the school board yeah person personal um that's the first that the first program was the ptd which the personal technology device I put the first paragraph the second paragraph talks about what they are which includes cell phones so the language of that policy is specifically directed towards cell phones that that is our job to regulate the use of these personal technology devices and that policy the procedures that you've come up with in the schools then are an extension of the school board right saying that we have adopted this policy correct yeah the policy does not outline the disciplinary um actions that's outlined in our resp response to behaviors uh Matrix protocol that we have um that's a part of our student andar handbook I just don't know how far into the weeds we want to get as a school board in the governments of the District Operations that's the only question I have because there's has to be some flexibility the policy I would imagine inside the schools as needed on practically you know a day-to-day month-to-month basis as you see the trends develop over time that's what I'm that's what goes through my mind so it does require more discussion I believe Mr President into the future any other questions guys thank you I that's very helpful feedback I me it I mean I think that's consistent with what we're hearing that things are things are better uh this year and and as you said there's some consistency if we can help help clean up uh some of the consistency it's uh hopefully things will be even better so I and I think the one thing I would like you all to explore further is the piece around um what you know what what have other districts large districts done around uh the management of the cell phone without having to lock it up in a pouch so that student still has access on on passing periods and lunch periods you know are they I know of a school in Kansas that um I you know teacher sees a cell phone once it goes in an envelope and an envelope gets sealed up for the rest of the class period um and and so I that's one practice I mean you could you could do that in every classroom and have the envelope on every desk and not not have to have the cell phone garages on the wall um or how many people are doing the cell phone garages so I think that's work of the task force uh to look at what else you know what else is working in other school districts with large high schools because really there's this do nothing like we saw some school districts are doing do nothing allow it to walk it up all day long and so in between there what is the right balance or here or here is the right balance balance for District Six schools and I think that's where we really need the task force to explore and and come back with some more information around that right I checked in with Thompson just this week and and they they say this is not for us to be involved they don't have a policy they schools just need to operate this so you have that level all the way to I'm going to take your phone and lock it up for the day and and so it somewhere in the middle maybe so Adams this is only their first year of doing so they don't have any date of like they don't have daa if there's like student achievement or anything has went up or anything no they don't have anything yet and they did this very late in the summer too so this is something they decided um just on their own that they were just going to come up with this policy and Implement and so they through board action yeah so they they had um they had they had a rougher time implementing when they when they came back just because they didn't have the the input of the community and so that was one thing they said early we would have done differently if we had the opportunity just and then I'll check up with them too to see how things are going just from everything I've heard and the the you know our our individual conversations and stuff and you know we've had this policy and it I just I don't want it to be a a rotation and a you know trending we pay attention and then in a couple years we don't we pay attention I think I think most of us have feel strong enough that we actually want to do something tangible to set the bar a little higher and then we can fluctuate around you know we can Trend up and down from there if if we're following that one but I I feel like we're we're ready to I'm ready to to do something tangible so what would that be some sort of policy like that's that's where the discussion I think comes in I don't think it's are we going to do anything as a board I think what will we do as a board is is more the right train of thought at least from my my point of view um it's just such a bad problem um you know in in my opinion it's ruining lives so um something something needs to I'll just say one more too I think it comes down to classroom management the big deal if you got a teacher that can manage their classroom their issues will be less not going to go away but they will be less and that that's what I gathered from kind of pulling the teachers at conferences is some people is no problem at all like they run a tight ship and you will go to the bathroom when I say and you will not speak and just that is the way their classroom is and then there are and that's not to say that that's a bad a better or worse teacher there's one teacher who doesn't run her class that way at all but she's just highly engaging so the kids are just riveted on everything she says and then what if your class is just not quite as interesting and so every I don't know I just it seems like the the best thing for teachers and for students is to just eliminate no phones on the property you can leave it in your car you can leave it at your house or we can lock it up but it does not come onto our property I mean it's just and I when we talk about 2,000 students you're not going to have 2,000 students coming with a cell phone some of them will leave it in their car they'll leave it at home I don't know but it is all the the details but yeah I I'm definitely in the same place of just and when I hear some of the things I'm thinking about I'm like I must be just so old like well what did we do before that and you know I get the kids who need it for for their blood sugar but I can't think of very many other health reasons that you need a phone and we hear from we hear from parents quite a bit around um just knowing where their kids are for Safety and Security and so in a tracking World they for whatever reason just want to make sure their students at school that they're here that they're in the right spot um TR and see for whatever reason is my child there and so when we first came out with this they um we had some parents that went to principles and just said I just need to know that my child's here like you can't take that away and we said we're not taking that away we are just not having that out and so um we'll continue to listen for parents and um two parents and two others and see what they would say if if that was yeah if that would happen and that let me know where my kid is all the time your child was said Infinite Campus told me your child was late your child was absent but but yeah and then we also have the ability to scan the badges for like the bus is that an option for the schools like your kid scanned in at 8 a.m. um it would just be I just be looking at options down Road we'd have to there's Infinite Campus does offer that but it's it's we have to pay for the next level $3 $4 a student something so it's um it'll times 23,000 so it'll be it'll be a price tag and you can't just do it for high school you have to do it for every student or you can't or you can't do it so it would just be looking through how much we want to spend in on what area um it's obviously again Mr President requires a lot more conversation down it does clear mror but um other devices that are not cell phones that's why it says personal yeah and ear buds ear buds are in that and so those also are included do we spell out all of this stuff we need to go read our policy huh well I mean don't the thing is as to what detail do you go into with the all with the Innovations and technology that continually I know right come out this is my concern as a representative of the community but we update our policies every year so we can update them I will have to say I will have to say that I know of at least six if not more um students that have glasses that also have um technology in their glasses so if we do this we'd also have to make sure that they those parents do not want to take those off we've already said you have to take this off to read a test and even that's a battle and so there so it is more it'll be it'll be your watches it'll be your phones it'll be your glasses it'll be um you know we we would just have to continually track that and and figure that out and and make new policies and things um as every time a new piece of technology is introduced do we take away eyew watches um not at this point we don't we don't at this point if there we do if they're a distraction if the kids are sitting here doing this then then we do but and I shouldn't speak for schools I don't like I'm not the one out there and do policies but um I did I have heard that when it's a situation they they have them put that away but the glasses are a new one yeah I mean it's changing a culture we it will take a number of years for it to be we don't do technology in the classroom and it's far bigger than just the classroom I mean it's really parenting as well right and and what some districts have done is um they done a a campaign where they get parents to sign an agreement at a certain grade level of of you know that they for example they won't allow their kid to have a phone until um 9th grade so there are some some districts have done campaigns like that as well where they worked to educate parents around every kid does not have to have a a a smartphone um and they and they maybe don't really need to have it until 9th grade um so that I mean that I I sent you guys an article on that about that talked about districts that had led campaigns like that in the community for parents as a teacher it was hard because sometimes the parents were the worst culprits cuz they were the ones that are primarily texting their kids all day long and yeah i' would say put your phone away but my mom I'm like I don't care who it is put it away but and then you also have the issue where they have those math apps now so um I I did the cell phone garages for um test days and if you got caught with a cell phone I gave you an F because of the fact that the phones now have apps they just have to hold it over it and then it steps them through gives them the process to solve the problem gives them the answer and they would just copy that in so there a lot of issues with cell phones yes like we said there definitely need some more more discussion I'll be anxious to hear what what Dak uh what our parents are are thinking um about the the improvements or the um I guess it's not a new policy what do we call it but practice it's new practi it's new practices the policy's been there but it's it's new practices in place to the policy so be anxious to hear from from that and we'll continue to discuss it but thank you guys thanks your next you must stay where you are next is I2 30 update student learning and achievement goal one profile of a graduate so M Mr awesome thank you very much um excited to for out this new initiative that we have in our district called profile of a graduate and I'll walk you through in this presentation to let you know what what that is and um and your role in this process and so um we know as we educate students it is more just than just about achievement and just more about more than just about the graduation rate but there's a student inside of that as well and so we what we are proposing as we go um through this project is to identify what are the attributes and personalities that that we hold near and dear and our students that we want our students to have as we work through as they work through our system this is um part of our Innovation 2030 so as always it's always grounded in our mission and our vision and our values and um this last one where um we are committed to Excellence and Innovation and continuous Improvement and we've seen many districts across the state and across the country that are identifying those attributes and and characteristics of a student and what kind of student are we wanting to put into our into our community so this is um this is a great project and and it really touches all four of our Focus areas and so yes it is around achievement it is about graduation on time um but it's also about strengthening Partnerships it's also about um being able to reach out into the community and talk to our community and get input from our community on um our students and um what kind of student do we what kind of student do you want to have when you graduate and and for me that I have two more students coming up I'm excited to think about um all the things that we could do to to prepare them to be career in college ready it also touches uh climate and culture where we know diversity is a strength and and how and how do we make sure that everyone feels like they belong in our district as well as operational organizational Effectiveness um through our continuous Improvement and our transparency around the things that we do so let's let's set the stage here just a little bit turn to talk with the person next to you and what are the cognitive personal and interpersonal skills you want a district 6 student to have upon graduation think about your own student think about a student what do you want them to do besides graduate what are all of the the attributes and and interv personal skills you want them to have let's just take a few minutes what I call itle know you want a w that I know as far as like clearness Readiness on a personal level like the soft skills are so much more important than than their actual skills uh you guys the school district will never get them to the skill level I need them to to be profitable but respectful and those kind of things those more value than any and that is [Music] what switch Partners you haven't already or not switch Partners but make sure got be able take information to solve problems [Music] things that I just can't believe commense and if you would wrap up your conversation too and I would love to hear just a just a few things you said just shout them out what are a few things you said financial literacy financial literacy absolutely manners manners how to communicate well mhm you we focused on communication inter personal communication yeah with others absolutely so um in this work that we're doing this is a we are going to be creating a tool or a visual that highlights um the cognitive personal and interpersonal skills that we want that students are going to have when they graduate and so um in this initiative it's very co-created so we um we'll get to this in a little bit but we we are gathering we have a tool to gather input from many different people people in our community including the Board of Education tonight so listening from te listening to teachers and to um and students and our parents to create um kind of a compass kind of a Northstar and so yes we are going to get you to graduate yes we want be career in college ready but also what kind of person what kind of student do we want to create in our district and then be able to um have some shared language with this work and create this unified vision for a district six student and so what I think um I'm excited about too is it just brings it has the opportunity to bring our community together around this one and then it shapes our curriculum as well so what are some things that we could put into our curriculum what are some things our teachers can can say and do to um to focus on communication to help with financial literacy to to just be organized and effective students so this work is called um graduate or profile or profile or graduate but it's also if you look over here profile graduate you might also hear from other districts um profile a learner learner profile profile a graduate like you said or profile a learner anyway you think about all the skills um the District of the mission is embedded in this one and so are the and so are the um the academic standards and so this is really truly an effort to um support the student I want to give you a few examples of what other districts have done with their with their um profile of a graduate work and so you'll see here um Durango on the left-hand side you probably see some of the things that you said in your conversations on the side this is what their Community um thought was important also d51 on the other side so you're saying creativity Innovation resilience critical thinking teamwork self-direction self-awareness for my own child like I wish he would have come out with a lot more confidence and so I say like confidence would have been great for him he's just so shy and you can't be shy and so um this over here struck a chord with me this confident Communicator just get up and and and be bold a few more inside of here so um Littleton down here in the corner came up with this visual you see many of the same words that are on here and um as we go through this we have a process that will follow the first is gathering information so now so now through January we'll be gathering information from several different people we have we have a Google um a Google tool that we'll that we send out to people and they can fill it out and it captures the information and and puts everything into a big database we are U partnering with CI and they have a person there that will help us go through all this data and help us create some themes and then from those themes to be able to to work into a draft and then from a draft into something that you saw out here but that's going to be our represent our system um the first one is is called empathy building and you'll see this in your survey coming up here but what are your hopes and dreams through graduate we we ask that same question often at our listening session so what are your hopes and dreams of your student and how do we capitalize on that that and then my favorite question is what do you wish you had learned in school and what do you think is the most important for students to learn and and sometimes you'll just hear that it's not always about the academics sometimes it's financial literacy I wish we would had that but also how to be a communicator how to be successful in school we have already um been collecting data and so I put up here here are just a few things that I've already seen from our results and so like have access to this database and so some things that are coming on already achievement student well-being personal growth inde dependence values and character overcoming challenges belonging inclusion support and advocacy and language and communication skills our work mainly will follow with our deck and so this will be the work of Our Deck our first couple of meetings we've talked about this profile of a graduate and what this looks like um they will um be our our group mostly our group that we'll come back to with this information and so in January we will come back with this with all of this information in this big database and collect this and then put this into themes and so as I'm working on my doctorate I get to see theme the word theme all the time in these big categories um that we can get behind and so here's the data just comes over here on the side and then we will work our way over to create our themes um that are important to our community and then once we get our themes we go to work and so our Our Deck along with our Council of student reps and will also include some some uh community members will go together and start creating some profiles creating some rough drafts of what this might look like here are some pictures of some of the other districts um that that they've done um as they've already themed and start to create some of these pictures so with graduate in the middle what are some of the words what are some of the themes continue to work on what this might look like inside your school and then you'll see that over here the kids are Drafting and it turned into this for um for West Grand school district and you see the working group that's in here um here's a draft a draft um from Clear Creek and what it started out with and then what it ended up to be and then also here from yepa Valley and so it started with just some drafts and some pictures and then coming together with with something that their Community could get behind and um also I thought I'd throw in L Louis Palmer for for Dr D we throw in little little little bit of love for her and so this was already done when she got down there but this is some of the work that they did in her District down here and this is what it turned into as far as here so what we would like to do is is um do this work with our with our dck and with our Council student reps and a few other people and we'll go through this process and we will bring you a draft of what we are thinking and then always have you in the loop and be able to look at where we're going and offer us some feedback as we as we go back to work and so we start this work in January by theming and then February in March we'll come together to do some of that Drafting and then we'll bring be able to bring you some kind of a draft probably by um late February or March to get your feedback as we go forward um and I would do and then I am going to get your input tonight but I would love to do any questions that you might have on that first and just your thoughts and your feedback on that a lot of the things that you have listed I couldn't read them all see them all but a lot of things that you had listed that the students are lacking in the things that we were stating out here honestly I think um derived back to uh students being glued to cell phones they've lost the um the personal skills how to communicate they don't know how to uh have those direct conversations because they have a phone glue to the ra so it's taken away a lot of that in the common sense just doesn't exist and this could be a absolute way to embed that in our curriculum to make sure that's going forward great comment does this tie into Avid at all what Avid does um Avid supports this work so I think this would identify some of those skills that we want our students have and then Avid would support that work and make sure that they mold it and shape it and support this and students as they work through as work through but but Avid will probably show up in here and then this group will will take that and decide where that fits inside this inside this draft you and you want the board to use this m QR code to provide additional feedback if they'd like to yep correct and so this is your opportunity take out your cell phone I already filled one out yes so probably as a parent probably you probably have you may have but we've already taken this to Dak Dak is pushing this out to to their sack their school accountability teams and then out to parents from the schools and so we're already Gathering quite a bit of information but we would love to have um your input from here and so I'll just give you a few minutes to fill to fill that out is there like a paper copy you can give those of us that aren't yes sir not with me but I'll I've got some money whatever that place is where you can get money from somebody help me out PayPal I don't know how to use the key your softw I don't know how to get it out because I don't know how to use the get your camera push the button this be a little bit of time thinking yeah little bit of thinking time for me yeah and you'll see this again I'm sure it'll be I like to take these things probably too seriously but I still do is this on our district website not yet but yeah that's a great idea and I and um and our Facebook page do I it'll take you to I'll take this oh here we go you hit that little button sorry I didn't show work on it I'll just do the so you see this uh being implemented the way this is actually implemented within the schools would this start early on in the child's educational process talking about all the way through so so we'll develop to know curriculum places that we can Implement curriculum sorry the way through 12th grade as we identify our big rocks how do we make sure that we teach what it's like to have those characteristics to that which is yeah like an extra step QR codes took me a while so what are we Educators community members terrible community members right and and are we going to have staff members dedicated to support in this specific area or is this something that is across all curricular areas just infused in everything we do infused into it okay I still get paper tickets to the Stampede to the Rockies to baseball just airline tickets are you feeling it out now cuz now I got to type on the my f fingers I do them one at a time so as stated the timeline will be we collect information from now until January January then we'll start theming and breaking into groups and start coming up with um some pictorial representations and what this might look like when we get that far we'll bring that back to you for feedback and then we'll work to try to have some kind of a draft by the end of this year and then see where we are for further implementation thank you Anthony thanks [Music] Anthony well we're to debriefing the work session so we'll start with Mr oari thank you president Matthews so tonight's uh session was pretty much all about Mr osmus and The Works he's doing in the district and Kim Silva anyway thank you for that service to the district I know that the cell phone issue um yeah it's near and dear to the hearts of many people and uh we do need to take that work seriously so we can come up with a policy if that is something specific to the school board that makes sense and is actual and can actually be implemented inside the school so I appreciate the staff and their time really examining that and the cell phone Task Force their time on that and uh I also um am interested in learning more about the uh student learning and achievement uh the process uh that uh we're going to be exploring uh here into the future that Anthony presented on so thank you thank you Mr Oar Mr Bentley yeah just um thanks to Anthony team onless the C phones have been Hot Topic for a bit and um you know a growing concern of the community and parents alike and teachers and everybody I think so uh just especially us us board members with par kids that are grade school you know in school I think to a two degree we see how much of a problem it is and and um the effects you know um that it's having and the frustrations that that all the other parents are sharing so um excited that we're we're working towards trying to do something there and I'm looking forward to to uh continue the conversation Mr no I will Echo that I I don't think people realize how big of a task it is to tackle cell phones as a former teacher I'll say it again it was a daily battle yes so really appreciate what you guys are trying to do it's not an easy deal but I think the right people are in place to do it so thank you guys for that thank you for um doing the i230 and doc thank you for helping me figure out how to use QR codes I don't know how to use it but I got it in my phone yeah I don't think I have much to add to everyone's comments thank you Anthony and Kim yeah thank you um again yeah they've already covered all of it but thank you guys for that time because yeah as a teacher that was that was a bear every day to to fight that challenge because you wanted the kids the kids to uh be on task and to actually learn and engage and when they have those constant interruptions it really distract and it's really hard to get them back on task once you've lost them family yes thank you both for that presentation and I I know I I have a lot of personal struggle with this issue so I I hope it didn't come across that I don't appreciate the work that you're doing um and I'm really excited about the profile of a graduate I like how holistic and encompassing it is um for our students who maybe do excel in some of those soft skills and haven't done quite as well academically and vice versa that this is um really your whole person so yeah just Echo those those thanks thanks for the work and thank thank you guys always for for the discussion as well so uh our we're adjourned for our work session we'll see everybody everyone back in 40 minutes for our business meeting [Music]