Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, thank you. I've called the meeting to order at 6:05 approximately. 5:05. 505. Yeah. Let's get the hour right. Uh, and it looks like there's Doug here with
us online. Is that correct? Can we hear you, Doug? No. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes. Can you hear us? Yes. Wonderful. Okay. Well, uh, I'll take a
roll call of everyone here. Terry, start with you. Terry Sawyers here. Kim Blair here. Matt Abby, present. Margot Jones here. Sarah Bulock here. Doug Mayo here. Doug
over the virtual lines. Okay. Okay, I'll entertain a motion to approve the August 7th minutes. Move. Tim second. Second from Doug. All those in favor?
I Well done, Sarah. As usual, so much detail. I don't want to do like I try not to do too much, but I try to balance it, you know, so that people who are just logging in for the first time can get some learn something. Yeah, it's great. Okay.
Um, and it looks like we have someone else. Hi Stephanie with us. Hi. Hi. Okay. Um, old business. So, more about the conquered coach.
Yeah. Tim, do you want to So, I sent out stuff to everybody. Uh, photograph that I found online of a coach loaded up with passengers. Yeah. Compared it with the picture of our coach, which are quite similar. Uh, I
ordered a um, this is for my own personal use, a catalog copy of the catalog of the company that made the coaches that each from the time uh, and I've talked to the New Hampshire Historical Society that we have in their
possession uh, a list of of coaches that were made during a certain period of years by the company that made them and it covers the year that ours was made. So, it should in the order book, it should say who ordered it, how much it cost,
what the model number was, and stuff like that, but I have to go to Conquer Newswe. It's not. They haven't they haven't digitized stuff yet. So, I don't know if I'm going to do that or not, but I can I can do that. I also have contacts with some other people. I have
looked into, as I told you in that thing I sent out, a company that rebuilds coaches. They you you give them your coach and they rebuild it and send it back to you. Uh also, if you just want to do the wheels, there's a wheel shop,
a wheelright in Amish country in Pennsylvania, and if you send them photographs and dimensions of your wheels, they'll send you back a bid for how much it will cost for them to rebuild the wheels, which would be the part that would be most likely to have to be rebuilt in
order for us to make any use of the coach. Uh the rest of the coach as Matt can attest and I I can look over it quite carefully. I don't see any other problems. The the other main thing that would probably have to be redone in
order to make the coach usable is the leather straps that they used for suspension. They used uh oxen oxhide straps uh that run from the uh support system that the wheels are on the underc
carriage and they support the part where people ride. And so they form a sort of a primitive version of springs and shock absorbers and stuff. And so the main body of the coach hangs from these leather straps. And the leather straps run back and forth. They're several
layers thick. and the coaches fasten to them, then those deteriorate and I would doubt very seriously. I I have no way of testing, but I doubt that they would be sturdy enough to be able to use. Uh there was some mention in some of the
stuff that I saw from earlier of our coach that it needed a new axle, right? I see no signs of that. The ir axle itself is a piece of iron that is encased in wood. Uh, and the iron runs across the the front axle and
the rear axle as well are pieces of iron rod that run across and at the end they the iron sticks out and then the hub of the wheel rides on that and there's inside the hub there's an iron bushing of some sort that you grease up squeaky
wheel gets the that's where that comes from. Uh, and so you you grease that up and put them on. Those hubs undoubtedly will have to be rebuilt. And I'm thinking that's what they were talking about. But until somebody who knows what they're talking about looks at the coach, I I
couldn't be for sure. But, you know, unless I'm wrong about that, if you replace the straps and you replace the wheels, the coach could probably be pulled out of its thing and and trundle along this the street uh without any anything else. Pieces might
fall off of it. Uh it's just made of thin thin wood pieces that are that are fastened together with little bits of iron joinery. U it has a glass window that pulls up and down in the door. Uh and there's some curtains that close up
to to make the thing more weatherproof against rain and so forth. Uh but the but and the interior the seats I'm sure would need to be redone if you were going to uh as far as cost is concerned until you had you brought one of these
outfits to actually look at it you wouldn't be able to get a price but I would my guess is my ballpark guess is anywhere between 50 and $100,000. Oh there to get it in good shape. Okay.
Reasonable shape that, you know, redone, paint, fixed up, blah blah blah, up bholstery, uh, running gear, all of that stuff. 50 to 100 grand, I'm guessing, from what I've seen. Now, I've got the guy who's the head of the Hadley Farm Museum is rustling up some local people
who have worked on restorations, including the one at Hadley, and he's going to give me their contact numbers and so forth. But that's been a while. There's one in Belchuretown that's been redone. There's one in Hadley that's been redone.
There's one in conquered New Hampshire. Several in Conquered New Hampshire that have been redone. Uh and so those give you some idea, but they were all done quite a while ago. So everything would have to be Yeah. I stumbled across the uh company who made the coach,
Abby. Abbott and Downey. Absent Downey has its own historical society. That's right. That has coaches. That's right. That are working. That's right. Have you talked to them? Yes. Because they got to know something about
maintaining these things. Sort of. Sort of talked to them. The reason I say sort of is that there were two prime movers and shakers of that historical society. They both had died and so they were back in this sort of second string and third string people.
So yes, I could I and I I've got contact numbers for them I got from the historical society, but I haven't been able to reach the the people. Uh but but uh they have redone them, but that's been a while.
Yeah, because I've seen that like you through them get a coach for an event if you want to. So they got to be maintaining. Oh yeah. Yeah. And there's several in particularly around New Hampshire that are being used on a regular basis. Uh you know, pull down street with
horses and you can get rides in it. One in at Hadley, you can go inside it, get inside it and so forth. So it's it's good enough to be able to do that, but they don't actually run it on the road. Oh, really? At least they haven't for a while. Yeah.
When they first did it, but haven't got for a long Yeah. And then the one in Barry uh also gets taken out I think at least once a year. Yeah. What the lady told me. Yeah. So, right. So, Jeremy Eric said he would he would tell the person to keep the door open. We're sorry.
I was late to No, it should have been open. And I don't know what the planning board does. There's less weight. Less late. Yeah. Did you try both doors? I did the front and then the side. Our apologies. That's another quick question. You were mentioning I I've read a bunch about the
leather straps I mentioned which I really dig the idea. Um you mentioned it was oxide. They were made out of oxide. I was wondering um just when you said that like if I just what whatever we have kicking around for modern lab if I just ordered some would it suffice or do
we need something? I would imagine. The only reason I said oxide is because in one of the things in the description of the coach it said that they took 12 oxen or some number like that just to
supply enough leather to make the straps. Uh but what but it's certainly you could probably use any kind of thick leather if you could get it thick enough. Yeah. Uh you know to be able to handle I I don't know any of the specs of that but
I I do know that the people who rebuild the coaches and there's at least two outfits that I found who rebuild these sort of things and both of them would have the supply right of that. They would know where to get it what what specs on it are. What if they
also have like modern artificial alternatives? Imagine they probably could do that as well. Yeah. Um yeah, looking to restore. Well, to move this along, um No, no, it's it's fascinating all of it,
but there is a deadline for CPC uh coming up shortly to try to fund some sort of feasibility study. Is there a uh No. No, no. And I'm going to go back to what I
in our discussion we had before. I would be very much opposed to spending any kind of money on this coach in any respect until there's a destination for it. Yep. And that's up to the city. Yep. In my in my mind. And so unless we have
a destin someplace where it's headed for, even if that's several years down the road, if it's just a plan, Yeah. Yeah, I can't see spending spending our money that we don't really have in order to do work on fixing up a coach that then would have no place to
go. It doesn't make sense to me. And maybe it does to you guys. Maybe maybe it's worthwhile to get some bids and proposition proposals and so forth. But I I think you know that's if I could dare say it putting the coach
many I couldn't help myself. That's it. Meeting's canceled. I would actually um add to that that we would also need to determine our goal for the carriage if
it's going to be a museum piece or if it's going into be a working piece because I think though that's that's two different forms of storage. You're right. I think the mayor envisioned it as a working piece. I love that idea and I think that's the best idea and then that's easier to store.
Sure. If but but if you were just going to move it, let's say to a museum where it would sit in its present condition but cleaned up a little bit, then all you'd have to really do is redo the wheels, right? Because the wheels I would not trust the wheels as they are now. They're just too
old. And so, you know, if you tried to move it right now, it's sitting on the wheels. You could raise it up and you could take the wheels off and you could move it and put it down. But then you come in someday to your exhibition and find it lying on its side.
I mean, wheels are the worst. You know, they dry out, the the rims shrink, the spokes shrink, the hubs deteriorate, and so, you know, you'd really want some good solid wheels under it. But you could get those done by the Amish for probably a reasonable price.
Honestly, who would be better for the job? Oh, yeah. I know what they're talking about. Seriously, I talked to the guy there at this I called him up and talked to him and he said, "Oh, yeah." He said, "We do." And he knew. Yeah. What? Tell me the size. Give me some pictures. I'll tell you a price in return mail. I mean,
you know, they do it all the time apparently. So, you know, it's a working wheelright shop, so that's no problem for them. If it's going to be a working coach, does it need a new home? Like if it's just if it's coming in and out all
the time or can it not stay where it is? Well, if it's it's it's in the DPW garage, right? And it's safe in in that it's safe from the rain and safe from that. It's covered with trash, but that could that could be taken care of. But like it doesn't need if it's a
museum piece and it needs to be like on display somewhere where people can access it and see it regularly. But if it's just meant to come out for parades and things to then it doesn't matter if the public can get to it. I would be afraid pieces would fall off of it where it is now if it's in the condition it's in now.
Well, I still rolling it on the road on the road. Right. Right. But as far as like if we don't want to do anything until we know where it's going to go, right? Right. Drive through the camp right back where it is. Yeah. Yeah.
We don't need a new location because it doesn't need to be in public display. It stays where we fix it. Right. If we can keep the old location, that could be step two. And it's just restore the wheels. DPW doesn't want it there. We don't even know if that they'll keep it. But I mean, they did they expressed to me they
just soon get get it out of there. But I think as much as anything is it's not that it's taking up so much space that they're afraid it's going to get broken. It's going to fall apart on their wall. Well, and just moving things around in the garage or something was to hit it. Yeah. They're going to Yeah, they're going to something and something on it
or the guy isn't paying attention. They could be running forklifts in there and whatever. So, I I don't know. But I think at the end of the day, though, if it is going to get restored for use, then DPW is the way to go. Then, you know, the the town has vehicles all over
the place and they all live somewhere. So, true. If they're afraid of you, can you And the deterioration would continue then. I mean, you know, the deterioration would continue if it wasn't if it wasn't if you didn't stop the deterioration, right,
by doing a restoration. Then then what's going to happen inevitably is that, you know, pieces are going to crack and they're going to break and they're going to fall off and they're going to do so that that that is in inexraable unless you do something to stop it. Now, the last time that was done in 19 was 38
1938 when it got flooded and they restored it then. Uh, but I don't know that they've done anything on it since they they redid the upholstery in it as I understand. Yeah, they got flooded. Yes, got flooded.
All right. Well, anyway, that's where we stand right now. Yeah, there's nobody pushing to go to CPC to just the mayor. And and and is she pushing not for CPC, but she she was pushing pushing us to move forward on it, right?
But but there's no moving forward without this. like we don't have the money to go to the next phase without this. So, if we don't do it now, well, we could reach out to DPW and say, "Hey, is there a better place you could store this in the meantime that would make everybody happy?" We could kind of You said there's a home for everything.
That's what I'm saying. That's the city's that's the mayor's job in my mind is to find a place for it whether it's DPW or someplace else. She wants this to happen. That's kind of on her, isn't it? D who's worked his way up. He was tree
warden. He was well let's give him a head and see how he does. Yeah. No, he might have a different attitude. Yeah. I mean, couldn't that be part of this feasibility study? Couldn't it be part of the feasibility study to
figure out a how much it costs and b where we're going to put it? So, we want to hire somebody to do that. Well, I mean, are we certain that we won't need to pay to put it somewhere? Are we certainly honestly,
right? I mean, could that could that be part of what we have to budget for? Refrigerated commercial storage unit like I know we don't want to pay a monthly rent to have like a a room, but like you know where people people must store their boats and stuff like that somewhere like garage
within the city organization. You've got expert. They know what property they own. They know where it is. They know how big it is. They know what kind of condition it's in. They, you know, you go through the list. All the things that you need to be able to find a spot, they
have within their own organization. You don't need to hire somebody from outside of No, I mean, but but you need somebody to meet with those people and take the time to figure it out. But if if there's not an appetite to get money to do it, then let's just keep
talking. I don't think there's a question to it. for us is how far do we want to go with this? How far do we feel that we need we need as a group go with this? How far do we want to go? And I I'll keep doing what
I've been doing and I'll nail down, you know, stuff, but I know at some point somebody's going to say, "Okay, you want me to look at it? It's going to cost you, right? Right. Travel and everything else for somebody to come and and and then come back and give you a proposal." Right. But isn't that the point where we
go, "Okay, now we stop. We work out funding. Yeah. Work out that and that you know that's Do we have money to pay somebody to come and do a study? I mean do we have money? No. Do we need to worry about getting it quickly?
There we are. Hi Karen. To worry about it in this round. Yay. Or can it can it at this point? We've just been talking about the coach up to the group. Uh this is a yearly funding cycle. So if
we don't do it now, it is for next year. I think it's a little too late. Do it now. But that gives us enough time to really get all of our ducks in a row. Yeah. I think it certainly doesn't have the kind of urgency that we need to scramble to get it under now. Okay, great. Can you hear us?
Okay, good. All right, I can hear just fine. Sorry about that. Sorry. Oh, no. No, you're you're good. Yeah, we moved around it. We made it difficult. It's kind of confusing. Okay. So, we want to agree then to to aim for the
next funding cycle, next year's funding cycle, and then would that be to make a proposal to get money to have somebody do a formal inspection of the coach who give us a a
proposal, an itemized proposal of what it would cost because we can get Yeah, we could also in the meantime talk to Athena if she could get us some grant money in the meantime, then maybe next year we could use the money for like the wheels or something like that. See how far we get in a year. Yeah. We also should spend this year figuring
out where it's going to go and what we got to do about that. True story. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's there's buildings that the city owns around the city. They own there's a lot of buildings. under
that fairgrounds has gotten a lot of seed money and it would feel good feel good if it lived at the fairgrounds as I understand it building or something I think we got that from Aaron maybe I
didn't I they never I never talked to them but I'm thinking maybe we got it through the city somehow that they weren't interested I don't I can I can ask because I've been I've been meaning to meet with him. Anyway, didn't our trolley just open up a birth?
Wasn't there a trolley that used to drive around that got hammered under a bridge? Did that birth empty all of a sudden? I like the way you think. I was parked at BPW, too. Yeah. I mean, that sounds like an empty birth to me.
Yeah. Right. Arch Street Stephan. Yeah. Arch Street. Yeah. Oh, that was I remember that. I was Oh, yeah. But yeah, I think I think the the trolley was stored at the DPW what we were getting at. Yeah. All right. Well, I'd like to move along
because we have a a hard stop at six and we have some things to talk about. So, historic database and maps. So, the building inspection department has had it. Have you had any communication with them? I have not, but um in the meantime, I've
continued to add more stuff to it. I haven't really touched Efield Street. In the interest of going as fast as I can to get everything else done, I'm hoping to have uh the next release by the end of the month. Can you check a property for me? I can check a property for you. Whether it's on the list currently.
Yeah. Yes, I can. 16 Pier Street. By the way, you guys on that side of the table, you need to speak up. Okay. Right. There's there's periodic noise coming in the back here and there's gonna be I can't hear you. Pierce. Yeah.
I live at 6D Pierce. You live at 6? Yes. And this is 16. Is that Which side is that? On the side with Sophia's Pizza or the side with Walgreens? I don't know. The side with Sophia's Pizza. Okay.
Yeah, they've asked to demolish a garage, I think. Wow. The only one on the list for Pier Street at the present is 35 Pierce Street, which is the the girls club. free primary school. Yeah.
Okay. Good. Good to know. Well, so maybe I should We just got this today, actually this afternoon, asking for a demolition. Okay. On on this property, and what I might want to do is just say,
"Well, is it on Sarah's list?" Not until it's done. What about one? They have version one. No, but if they trash it, that's one less thing to go on the list. That's if that's not on version one, but it's on version two because it's
there's so many entries. There's like over a thousand entries. Yeah. And I only have like 700 so far. Is that all? That's a lot. But you have been slacking. I mean, we don't have to spend a lot of time on that. But uh uh let me check in with Mark and make
sure that he's he's actually checking your database because that's why we did. Uh okay. And I have elected to push demolition delay ordinance changes to an
ongoing uh topic at the bottom of the agenda. So, um, at the time of the agenda under new business, there were no demolition requests, but we did get one this
afternoon, and Jeremy and I haven't processed it yet. Oh, interesting. Not to interrupt, the on Macros itself, the only thing on Pierce Street is number seven. Oh, the which is on the corner of Federal and uh
yeah, that's the building that's the PSP used to be a auto dealership or gas station or something like that. But again, here to the fact that there it's, you know, riddled with errors because the data was pretty old at the time. Uh
the other one for whatever reason if it's not listed in here on Pier Street in MRI why is the other one in MRI under a different section but you can't pull it up on Pier Street. Yeah. So I mean it's it's an incomplete database even by itself.
Yeah. Without having compiled everything which we're it's going to take us a couple like a year or two to really get it going and get it thoroughly vetted. Yeah. What was the address again? I I missed the address. I'm sorry. 16 Pierce Street
and Thank you. Yeah, it's looks Yeah, it looks like it's in very poor very bad. And garages are hard. Yeah. Yeah. Hard to save. It looks like a pretty big garage.
Yeah. Okay. So, we'll follow that up a little more after the meeting or tomorrow or something. um update on digital publishing of a conservative rebel. I don't know if you
want me to go over that again. I don't know if you read any of the minutes, Tim, to to like I don't know if I should bring you up to speed on that. Um I I didn't see it. So, I got the okay from the city's attorney and uh the library
because they own the copyright to it, right? To So, I'm working on the digital copies and the the city attorney also said that the historical commission could sell it and we could have a little bit of a like a you know make copies and like stuff like that like whatever little bit of money it comes in we could use to fund whatever we wanted to do.
It's not going to fund a stage coach, but it could. Yeah, it could do that kind of a thing. Um, and so I have I have a meeting with the finance director uh towards the middle of the month. He I was going to have a meeting with him earlier, but he's been having a lot of car issues. I guess his
transmission blew up. So So put a kaibash to that. So um hopefully sometime in the middle of the month we'll have a meeting and I can give you more formal updates next month. But in the meantime, I'm almost done digitizing everything, but I've had a hard time
getting it from raw images to the OCR, like the, you know, transferring the image of the text to actual text. Some of the pages were distorted and there's like a U shape that can't be adjusted. So, I'm having to go back and kind of manually adjust everything. But, I'm about
They weren't flat when they were scanned. Most of them were, but some of them weren't. And so now I'm I'm uh between that and the black and white photos being really high contrast, I'm going to have to go back in and manually read some. Printing was not good on them in the first place.
No, the printing in that book is really poor. I don't like the double column thing. I don't like that. But I I mean I just remember the photos were not really too well. Now this historical society might have the originals of some of those. But I
I should I would like to contact them for those because getting the highest quality I think is going to be better than getting just medium quality and then just pushing it out. Yeah. So I'm trying to I'm trying to make sure it's done right before I really let it go. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so I was able to actually announce last month that we got
the ability to do that and now it's just a matter of like finishing up and tidying up and like wrapping the bow and um but yeah, so there is forward momentum on that. It's still a little slower than I like but as with everything. Yeah. So hopefully we will see that and I'm hoping we can release it by Christmas
time and have it, you know, oh here support your local municipality. Buy the history lover in your family a digital copy for $10 or whatever. Yeah. talk to Carolman at the historic society. She's the president of the board right now and she'll take this idea.
Definitely will. Okay, great. Well, again, Sarah, thank you for your efforts. Very impressive. Okay. Uh, next item is I just want to talk about I I got invited to meet with
the pastor and the property committee chair at St. James, they're this that's the church, the Gothic Revival Church that's redoing their roof and they came to us for approval, right? So, she said they they're trying to
address all their delayed maintenance and and budgetary issues. And so, she wanted to know when how often do we have to come to you and Sure. what what can you give us? And so I might I might want to put this into a
document because basically I explained that we don't have review power of design at the moment. Maybe someday we will. Yeah. So I said so I basically said we don't
have any power but if you're using state or federal money our opinion will be requested. Yeah. And so we do have review power there. Sure. On the exterior. Yeah. And then the other uh agency we have is
with CPC. If if you want funding, local funding, then come to us and we'll review what's proposed and either support it or not. So So we actually have more uh authorities than I
initially was saying we had. Uh and are there any others that we have that any others? What any other way that we Oh, right. So, we have we don't have authority, but we have clout kind of. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the state and federal money, we still can't block anything, but we can. But they can affected. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so, so I said what we want is for everybody to comply with the Secretary of the Interior's standards of preservation.
Yeah. And that that documents are Bible. And if you come in here and show us something that clearly violates that, we'll we won't support it. Right. But um but the state and federals they also
invoke that and and uh I think maybe you're you're the way to put it is exactly the way you are putting it like we don't have the power to say no but if we say yes that has some power. That's right.
Yeah. And also and also we have sort of advice advice and consent because in the past we've been able to use that pretty effectively by not prohibiting something but by suggesting an alternate path that people have adopted that have made it a
better preservation than it would be otherwise. Whether it was the color of a front of a building or or whatever. I think we've been able to use that pretty effectively. I I'd say that was advice and consent really. Uh but it doesn't without the veto power,
right? But so but that relies on the goodwill of the owner to come to us. Yeah. So it gets applied in an inconsistent manner. Yeah. People who are already shown Yeah. a willingness.
I mean, yeah, we got a record. We're experts in this area and so we can give them free expert advice basically on how to project. You can pay preservation consultant. That's right. Or you could come here and we do it for nothing. Yeah, they probably should. Yeah, potentially do that also. But we
Yeah, we are here to give that kind of advice. Yeah. Without charging. When I make the minutes, I can lay all this out into a separate document and just have it as a procedural document. Okay, great. Yeah, that's easy. That's simple. We're talking about it right now. It's going to be in the trash. So,
and Eric, if somebody comes to staff, city staff, they could have that as a reference to the, you know, please go to the historical windows. Yeah, it makes it
I love the fact that it's going on out there. I I I like I like I've loved walking down here through all those people doing all that. As long as you guys speak up, it's fine. Yeah, we just have to talk pretty loud. Yeah, you just How about on Zoom?
Yes. We can't hear I can't hear anything. I can just hear you. Good. And I'm not I'm not in town. I'm out in the Birkshire. So, I really can't hear anything. Oh, yeah. Good. Good. And I can hear a microphone here. Microphone. And
there's one right there. Great. All right. Well, that was it for new business as far as I know. Are there any other items? Yes, Tim. Please. Couple of things from the battlefield commission. The final report of the of the archologist is finished in a draft form.
It's being reviewed right now by the tribal members and by members of the commission and was has also been reviewed by the National Park Service uh and will be put out in a final form. It's a big document, but I I was
thinking that uh there there is no money. They have no money to do reproductions of it or anything. They didn't think about that when they put it together. So, what I was thinking is that we might try to get uh some money
from the city, for example, to print some copies and put them in the GTC library and the local library and so forth. So the so sort of reference material because if we don't do that for Greenfield, it's not going to get done. Uh they don't have any way to do that.
They they didn't think about that. National Park doesn't have any they don't they if they do, they sure haven't told us. Uh and so uh no, it's not in the it was not in the bid proposal or the or the the uh the uh
sort of contract that was set up by the park service. There's no money in there for that. What kind of money are you talking? Oh, I don't know. It would be be reproduction and and I mean $400, $500 for ultimate content.
Uh with the covers. Well, it depends because it's not entirely in Greenfield, but it does mention Greenfield, so there'd be some debate about it's true. Yeah, it's part of Greenfield history for sure. Yeah. But it's not entirely about Greenfield. So
it would have to though it's like yeah I I personally would feel that because it's such a small amount that it would just be like like chump change but I obviously don't have that quite the say and if it comes down to the wire I'm sure that there are other projects that are worthy of funding. So
if it's not entirely within Greenfield is it entirely within Franklin C. Oh yeah. Well, that probably will accelerate that. Try to get money. We are the county. We got to get money from FCO. Well, we are the county seat, right? So, it's the county's business. It's our
business. It's state money for the city. Like, yeah. So, it's something it isn't ready yet, but it will be ready. And so, I'm just putting this out as something to think about. The other thing is that the the grant did include money to put some
signs up, some uh plaques. We'll do right now I'll go on copycat printing and excuse me, I'll get a quote Yeah. that they're going to want how much it's going to cost. Yeah. Well, we'll have to figure out and it's it's in color. It's got color maps and stuff. So, it'll be a color document.
Is this the final report? This is the final report. And uh but as I said, it's just in draft form now. Uh you can get an idea of it if you go on to the Monagu town website, look at Monagu Historical Society. They have an
earlier version. Uh and I I don't remember. I'm sorry. I don't remember exactly how many pages it is. I think it was like 300. Oh, it's going to be 200 and plus. Yeah. So, easily. Say 250. Something like that. Yeah, we can do it back and we can do it back to back and that would cut
everything in half. Can I try? Can you give her a link? I have it. She's looked at it. I have. Okay. I thoroughly researched these. I recommend that we flag a copy for the historical society. And should we also flag I don't know if the industrial
heritage has any kind of library wherever we think there should be in town. I don't think they do, but I can't say for sure that they don't. Right. The other thing is that I know the historical society has a library because I painted it.
Yes, Tim. The other thing is that there there is money in the in the grant to put signs up in uh I think there's three sign maybe four right now that are being they're being put together and and they've got the money to actually make
the plaques and the stands for and I think they're going to end up on the riverbank looking across at Riverside from Turners over to Riverside which will be looking towards the site of the actual original battle. But I think we should consider some
signs also for Greenfield because there's a number of places in Greenfield that were very key parts of the battle where as part of Greenfield history and part of our history in the streets thing that we've been talking about where you know and the best example is the
swimming pool. If you look uh if you go down to the swimming pool where you park to go on the walk that goes by the river, the river walk there, there's a little parking space that's across from the from the swimming area and it's across from the stone that marks
Turner's uh death right in there. There's a parking place. But if you if you had plaques there or plaque there, you'd be looking across the road and you'd be looking at that hill that goes up behind. And that was the scene of one of the fiercest battles of the whole thing took place right
there against that hill. That hill is peppered with musk balls. Oh. And there was a huge battle because the the European the colonists were trying to cross the Green River there. They could not. That's where Turner was killed in the storm of fire that took
place there. And so what they did is they went down farther west and crossed the river farther down and headed in through Greenfield along along uh through that that area towards Green River Cemetery. So that would be so if
we had four or five signs that we could put up in different parts of this town that would tell the story of that part of the battle. Uh, and I don't know what the other towns are going to do, but I I know that the that the group is not planning on doing any further signs.
So, they're doing some in Monagu. They're going to do the main ones, and those are being one at least one of those is totally being written by the tribes. And so, uh, which going to talk about the the history of that place in in tribal memory. Oh, the Wentow.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, the there's four different tribes involved. Okay. technobogs and there's so they all have representatives on this group. So they've got their heads together and and wrote that one plaque.
Well, can we add it on to their I mean it would be good to have consistent graphics, consistent verbiage. Well, I I think what we probably ought to do is put it in the back of our minds until we actually see the the final
design of those signs. Yeah. which and and the designer by the way of that is a woman from Greenfield. So we we actually I know her and we can we can get her to give us some of the uh artistic details thoughts. Yeah. Basically go to the same
manufacturer. Yeah. So at any rate just just again put it in the back of your minds is something we probably want to address in the future. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. For sure. And maybe even have a ceremony or something. Are they having a ceremony? Well, they're
gonna they're going to be some Yeah, there's going to be some different ceremonies and stuff. The other thing they're talking about if you if you're a gill and you you're coming to the white bridge, you're going to go across the Turners. Just before you get there is that place where there's a little
food wagon that if right in that intersection there's a stone that has a plaque on it that talks about Cap Turner and all of this stuff and it's a very European centric. Yeah. uh sign. And so there's discussion about something to do in that area
that would ameliate that a little bit. But the tribal members said, "We don't do plaques. We don't do science. We don't that's not our way. We don't do we're not interested in putting up a dueling plaques." So they're talking about artwork of some sort like sculptor
or some other thing in that little place. the the deed to that stone belongs to Deerfield. Uh it was deed over to the uh to the Pioneer Valley uh
PMA PBMA. Oh, and they've just de they're deeding it over to to uh I think to Montigue. Uh so because it's been in their hands for years. So anyway, that's a mish mash of stuff that's not settled yet, but
it's being worked on being thought about anyway. Well, you don't need a vote on that. Just Okay. I think we all agreed that it would be good for us to have just keep it in mind. Yeah, just keep it in mind.
Okay. Uh any other new business from anybody? No. Okay. Okay. Well, ongoing uh I have this category because we do have things we want to get done, but we
don't want to talk about it every month. Uh but let's just mention the historic district the historic zoning district study subcommittee. Does anybody move that ahead at all? No. Okay. And demolition delay ordinance.
Have you been hearing anything? all of yeah the hubbub about those the regulation that was potentially going to standardize it I haven't heard anything about it since there was all I mean there was furious activity for like a week but it seems since then it's all died down so I so I
think we're probably like we're safe to you know proceed with creating our own new demolition delay ordinance but still or improving right right improving what we have or rewriting it and there's slots out there. It's just been a matter of time.
I mean, and honestly, Pete, the the earliest I would be able to give any kind of updates or do any work would be at the December meeting probably because I'm have taken on some additional part-time work that is taking all of my Oh, you're assessor now.
Well, that well the assessor that will not I need to be elected that would start. Okay. But I I done some other part-time work for the Vermont Tree Fruit Growers Association there. Oh, social media stuff for the fall season. So anyway, that's that was that's what I need to do in my
in my downtime until that season's over in in October. But then maybe it turned out to be what you know it harder to find time to do anything after having a second. Funny thing about my ambitions, but I have not, you know,
as I keep saying, you know, I haven't done anything. I have not forgotten them. Good. Great. Well, now is a good time to start saving. You're right. What's that? How many copies roughly? Like five. Oh, I don't know. What do you think? Half a dozen? I don't know.
Uh, the library. GCC. Library. ECC. Historicals. Historical Society. Yeah. Yeah. You said you wanted one. I'm not going to use the CPC. Museum of Industrial Heritage.
Do you think Jim would want one? I don't think they have a library. Yeah. I mean, they they have like a collection of like technical books, but catalog. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is kind of like outside of the the realm of what their
focus is anyways. And frankly, the library might want more than one copy, right? Okay. Half a dozen. Six. Yeah. Six. Somebody will steal them. So they they need to No, that's been my experience. When you put something like this in the library, they get stolen.
That's terrible. Oh yeah, you got to put a one of those barcodes. I wrote I wrote a history of Greenfield that was used in the middle school for years teaching history greenfield and I put half a dozen copies in the library at August. Did you keep one for yourself?
Yeah, I had one at home, but but uh but they and you know but Wow. gone. Yeah, I don't know why. Maybe things are better now that it's a new building. I guess it's a measure of readability.
It must be good. Wow, that's really good. People stealing it all over the place. Order them for hard cover. Um, so if it's a lot if it's a lot of money, we can get maybe more copies like Spiralbound or something like that depending if because if it's too fancy, people will take them. I Yeah, I think and I think Spiralbound
is fine. also. Oh yeah, spiral bay is fine. There's any concerns about people taking it can just be in a library as non-irculate. Yeah. Oh yeah. Greenfield room. Yeah. Yeah. Non-irculators. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Uh we can also do saddle stitch which is when they basic like have a big cover on it and then they staple it. I think spiral band is fine. I mean, you know, really we got people wanting to get any. Okay. Uh any votes for I'll entertain a
motion to adjurnn. Second. All those in favor? I I All right. Nice. Nice. All right. Thank you. See everybody. Bye. Thanks. [Music]