uh call this meeting to order at 4:04. This is the sustainable green field implementation committee on November 20th. And uh we'll do a round of introductions of committee members. Uh my name is George Tulipsus um the uh
representative from the planning board, vice chair of this committee and facilitating at the behest of the chair. >> Mike Budro, representative for Greenville Public Schools >> and youth. Yes. >> Nancy Hazard with a general whatever
it's called. >> Public member. >> Public member. Thank you. >> Hannah Rexawing, chair and member at large. >> Franis. Go ahead. >> Franis hat, member of the public. >> Dona
>> Jonah Keane, public member. >> Sarah, >> um, Sarah Brown, city council designate and little kitten too. What was that? >> Kitty. >> City council kitten. Um >> Amy,
>> new acquisition. >> Uh Amy Kaling, community and economic development director and planning board. Uh planning director designate >> Bram Marinus, public members.
>> Okay. Uh and uh we do have um two members um uh who are not here tonight. What was that? >> There was somebody sent me a link that turned out to be Utah. >> All right. Uh, okay. Um, so, uh, we have
next on the agenda is public comment, but we have no members of the public. Do you want to bring this back, Hannah, if members of the public show up or Sure. >> Okay. >> And the next would be we were going to have two sets of minutes to approve.
Did the September come out? September came out about an hour ago for which I apologize but here we are but it is now. I wanted to at least get it in your hands. So if you can table September again until next month but it's in your inbox. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. I know you're um
working hard on those. Okay. So we will go with approval of the October 23rd meeting minutes. Is there a motion to approve? >> So move. >> Is there a second? >> Second. discussion. >> One thing I noticed is that um there
there was not um that I'm finding uh attendance on this one. >> Yes, I'm noticing it now too when I was trying to figure out who wasn't here. So, I will uh rectify that. >> Great. >> Also, >> anybody else have a comment? I have one
amendment on item nine. At the end it says Amy abstain. Everyone else yes. Roll call. And just a small typo like it says OB S T A I N and it should be AB. >> Get that. >> Um no. Can you
>> typo the very last line of item number nine? >> Abstain is misspelled. >> Got it. Oh, thanks. >> Very detailed. Oh my god, you're amazing. >> Anybody? All right, I'll be amazing. Um, just above that, um, at the end of
Hannah's comment, it says delete. >> You want to delete my comment? >> Sorry. >> What was my comment? You should probably delete it. >> I don't know why I wrote delete there. It's It's deleted. >> Okay, deleted the delete. Thank you. uh more substantively um uh just lower
down on the uh number 10 there was some uh details of our discussion where I raised you know that maybe the committee could say we support housing downtown but we also support public engagement and um there were a couple of responses to that but there was also a um I think
you had shared Amy that it wouldn't be proper for this committee to take a position and that's why we kind of dropped that That sound accurate to everybody? >> I can go back and listen to the I probably stopped taking minutes when I was talking and then didn't go back and
>> cuz it just kind of would wrap that up because it sound like we were saying, "Oh, we could do this and then >> got it." >> Space it up. Um, but you had brought up that the word was it would be improper for us to take advantage. >> Oh, that's Yep. >> And we seeded to that. So, we we didn't
take it. Um, okay. Thank you. Um, anybody else comments on minutes for October? All right. Um, so with those uh changes, all in favor? I
>> any abstainings? Franchis obstaining. Okay. Thank you. That's everybody. And uh uh let's go back to public comment. We we just passed through public comment and no members of the public were here.
So, wanted to give you an opportunity to have some people there, let's say. >> Not to put you on the spot >> right now. >> Okay. Thanks. Um the next item is the master plan updates from the planning board
discussion and update from me on the plan discussion around adopting revised chapters of the master plan and on how to disseminate the new chapters to the public and recommend making recommendations to the planning board regarding this. And um as I had sent out
an email to committee members, uh the planning board um uh is going to um you know bring this somehow to the mayor and the council, but wanted first to hear as a feature of this committee wanted to work on a dissemination plan and wanted
to hear that and be able to, you know, consider that and when we go to the mayor and the council to have that in hand say here's what what we put together through this process and here's how it's going to be disseminated and yeah getting public involvement. So
that's what this agenda item is for. So >> I believe the subsequent agenda item is actually an answer to that part >> subsequent >> item 73. >> Um okay. Um, so you're referencing
discussion of SGIC webpage proposed updates from Bram with proposed master plan air table view. Okay. So you're suggesting that item that can be part of the discussion. >> Yes. >> For this item. Okay. So
>> did you bring that piece of that? >> Yes. >> Not that we have that discussion yet. Now, is this something that can be made available to to folks participating remotely? >> We will give it our best shot. >> I emailed it to you. >> No, no, but I mean, you know,
>> take three and pass it on. >> I copied three just to make sure that we had relevant information in front of it. >> Is there enough for um >> I can give these to somebody? >> There is. There are eight copies, >> but then there's seven more. in the
talk. >> Sorry, I >> take three pages. >> Take three pages and would you like to look since we have enough? >> This is obviously a table to include all the chapters. Um so it includes the um
land use and natural cultural and historic resources which the revised ones which are in green on the >> Yeah. So the the data links are just the uh air table representations of the spreadsheets that you shared with me. Um
I don't believe that there's any other cover information or implementation information. If there is, I don't have those. Um, so based on whichever one you click on, you'd either get the the the sheets from the old or the sheets from the new, but the covers and
implementation narratives would just all be from the original master plan. >> I I don't think I understood what you were trying to say. >> Oh, okay. >> You're just speaking to George. >> George had kind of asked something. So, >> okay. >> But it's discuss.
>> Yeah. So on on this side, we have only things from the original master plan. A cover, which is just a little two-pager, they all look pretty much the same. And the implementation, which is some number of additional pages. So people could just click on the covers and get a nice overview, or they could click on the
implementation section. You have all of this in your email and you could click on it and see it if you wanted. >> Before we go on, I just want to know if the folks online are able to see what we're talking about. I see your thumb. Sarah, you're looking.
I see your thumb from Prince. >> Sarah, I'm forwarding it to you. >> Thank you. Yeah, sorry. I'm >> No worries at all. >> I'm sending it to your Gmail. >> And uh the uh the second column is just when was it approved or reapproved? And
then the third column would be the second page. actually the yeah the second page you got in your hand this is a a a mockup of a page with a called a I frame in it um
but there's also a link on that page and the link goes directly to a public air table view so anybody could click on that link and it would be as if you clicked on a link to you know a Google spreadsheet only it's not a Google spreadsheet and you can download that
information as a commaepparated values file that you could then put into a spreadsheet or whatever. So, it basically makes all the data from the plan very very easily accessible and useful to anybody who might want to use it. Um, and I'll when I get to my item, which I'm not trying I'm trying not to
get there yet. So, we'll leave this this page and things for that item later. >> But but the idea is that the uh >> I'm my usual slow self. So, I'm just trying to understand. >> So, this table on our page >> Why don't you let Nancy ask her
question? This is is this a sample of let's let's say the land use. Okay. And I go over to the right and there's a link there that says strategies and tasks, right? >> So then it would take me table. This is a sample of what the table could look
like depending on which topic you're on. Is that correct? >> Yes. Or there's we're going to get to two choices when we get here. One choice is that we make these extra pages that just have the land use strategies and tasks.
The other is that we actually just link directly to the air tables of strategy and tasks. There's no web page involved at all. And the only reason why you might not want to go directly to the air table, which is certainly much easier for me, is that you can have, if it's
actually a web page, headers and navigation and things like that. So you don't all of a sudden feel overwhelmed by where did I go? What am I where am I here? Whereas with the air table, you're just linking it'd be as if you were linking to a spreadsheet that didn't say on top of it this is the name of the
file and this is the link to the spreadsheet and you're familiar with those things. It would be just here's the data. >> Um >> another question does the air table look like what was emailed to us? That is the This is the uh land use one and this is
the um NHC. >> It doesn't look just like that. No, it looks >> but it has that information. >> It has all of that information. >> Okay. But in a different format >> and we could just give what you have there. The
problem is that from that information, it's a PDF. You can't really do any do a whole lot with it without a whole lot of processing that most people don't know how to do. So um so this is one component brand that you're >> method here. >> Yep. And um I'll just call myself for a
second. Um under the middle column this is nothing was approved by the town council. It's all planning board document. Master plans per Massachusetts law are planning board documents. So just to be clear on that. >> Thank you. >> I don't understand what cover means. So
if you remember or if you look at the master plan, >> the first section of it has two well formatted pages per chapter. >> Okay. >> After that second >> executive summary is what you're referring to. >> Okay. >> And then after that you have this detail
of implementation pages. That's like you know seven or nine or whatever pages that are very different depending on which chapter you're in. >> So cover is just a term you use but it could be something else. get the executive summary. >> Executive summary. >> So we could change that word to
executive summary. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Other uh comments, reactions about this dissemination. So this is a way of disseminating on this would be on the uh town website. Is that the idea? Y
further comments, questions? Yes. >> So I'm not clear h has it been approved to that we'll use air table? Is the town going to pay for it? Did I miss something? >> That's actually a later um agenda item, I believe, isn't it?
>> Yeah, that that's part of that third item. >> Uh >> well, there's also the there's also the the budget item that's much further down >> the workflow. Is that where the show up? >> The third item. Uh,
so I think that referring to the budget that's um did that make it to the agenda? >> Yeah, if you look in agenda item seven immediately below where we're discussing this there's um two
>> regarding budget. So okay, >> if we want to stay in order and I'll defer to the chair um we would um say this is the potential proposal the air table and then we're going to talk about that but if we want to stay are there
other aspects of the dissemination and public engagement people want to touch on >> I I should say that if we didn't use air table at all the thing that um Nancy just picked up could be the things that
the data links would have. So we could simply link to those formatted PDF documents and have something just like this but without any air table. >> Jackie, you were going to say something. >> Yeah. So, I was just going to ask kind
of what our thoughts are on how we present these chapters as having been updated because I think when we first started talking about updating them, that was something we wanted to make sure was included. And I didn't know if anyone had ideas about
opportunities for that, if we feel like it's necessary or helpful to host something around that. Um, if we want to set up presentations to stakeholder groups about it. Um, I think it would be great
to have a little fanfare just so that people know a that chapters have been updated, but also that the master plan is continuing to be used and living and breathing. Um, especially as we tee up to try and update another chapter. Um,
so I feel like ideulating around different stakeholder groups that we want to make sure know. We could create a little list of those and then talk about who would be willing to go and just present it, talk about it, make sure people know. I don't know if that's
something, you know, we could take to the is it a monthly director's meeting at the city or a weekly director's meeting? >> Department head meeting. >> Department head meeting. >> Um, quarterlyish. >> Quarterlyish. like that would be a great example of something we could ask Amy to
go and rep the new chapter so that other department heads at the city know. But I think a short list of stakeholders and then conversation about do we want to have a bigger event, community event to talk about it. The community did participate
in this. So I think it would be nice to do something all of that. Great. Uh Jonah, see your hand. >> Yeah, I agree. I I think that uh Bram's idea is a great one to have it in a
visible place and then driving people to it would make a lot of sense. So what Hannah was describing, I think a press release would make a lot of sense and >> and maybe just like a city staff memo would be good too for like some type of email out um with a link to it. I think
driving we put it up on the website and then drive people to it would make a lot of sense. >> I'll call myself I I think having a public event is essential >> um because this has always been you know a public document and uh public
engagement has been a key to this and so um we want to figure out how to do that. intrigued by the idea of um selective stakeholders. I think it getting you know presented by the um um you know one
of the staff representatives to the the department heads makes sense. I don't know what other uh I'm intrigued but I don't know what other um uh uh subgroups or or you might think of or other people might think of.
>> Yes, John. Oh, we could for folks particularly relevant to these updated chapters, you know, we could send it to our to local land trusts, uh, folks that are thinking about land use, um, and our other re other resources in there, you
know, that I think that would make sense. >> And then in in the same vein, ascended to other committees such as the conservation commission committee, the egg uh, and the agricultural commission
because they are mentioned in in these chap in some of these recommendations. >> Nancy, >> yeah. What um what came to mind in terms of how how you have a public meeting or
something was actually the very successful downtown public meeting that we had just before >> co and what we did at that meeting is um is we had a a panel discussion so similar to what you guys are talking about is
having those relevant people who really know about this stuff and and have a have a discussion about why it's important, what's in it, and be able to invite people as the general public to
ask questions about it. And it's a quite a bit more complicated in a way than the downtown thing. I'd have to really think it through. Um, but you know, we've got an open space task force now. Yeah. which is clearly a key piece of what the
m you know the land use plan should be you know they should be introduced and there's other I have to think through all the details but >> Jonah >> I'm just curious about um what we're discussing just to clarify because you
had you had mentioned George that the planning board was requesting input would this be something that the planning board would lead and host or would SG GIC play a lead role. >> Well, I think that um the um for these public events planning board would be
involved somehow I would guess but you know uh this committee taking leadership for organization and brainstorming possibilities I think would be very welcome >> by the court.
>> So a collaboration on the actual events. Um, just going back to uh what Marie Franis said too, I would have to go back and look at the chapters and or control F in the chapters. Um, but we could pull out every
group that is mentioned by name and start a list from there. And then I think also Burkhog is an important um and the CDC. And I would propose having an event enough in the future
that we really have time to plan. But I do think a panel discussion would be a good idea because I think people are often curious if like anything is happening in Greenfield and it could be
a panel around bringing stakeholders from some different groups to talk about what they have going on and then also be able to just present that this is these chapters have been updated and if anyone else wants to have things going on, this is a great place to start. But the panel
could be more about highlighting things that are in motion. Um, and it builds excitement and energy around Greenfield in general, >> right? >> Um, there's a page in the master plan called the parties um who are parties of it. And just to
show you how many people are on this thing, we have a table of 24 different parties. Uh, >> oh yeah. Yeah. Different comm. >> They could all be, you know, invited. Um, and if we're thinking John Zan, there's
not quite as much space there as if we were to get it done at that big room in GCC. Um, they're very, very good at getting the word out and getting people to come to places. >> Um, and then also having food for people. So, I'd recommend that as a good launch spot.
>> Um, okay. Food for people. I'm always thinking >> So, uh, >> money. Well, then then there's we did the downtown thing at Hawks and Reed, which worked out really well because people could walk to it. That was really
important. That also does involves money, but yeah. >> Uh >> anyway, and there's the fourth. >> We're jumping away from >> what we want to do into venue, which Yeah. >> And um I'll just call myself for a sec that someone mentioned press release, >> which I think makes sense. I thinking
old uh old school um uh communication I think about my turn would be very fitting for this kind of thing. Give us some context about these two chapters plus the economic development >> um which someone from this committee could >> offer to to draft and uh um but I'm
wondering too about uh I've heard about these you know these new fangled uh electronic social uh kind of sites. So I wondered what would be the proposal regarding regarding those kind of things. Another way as you were saying Jonah
draw driving people to the static material that's on the the website. So that's why I understood we want to use those those options for to you know alert people to >> definitely >> please >> is Amy is this something that you think
Jonathan would want to write himself since it's a city >> a my turn >> communicate uh the sorry press release or is it something that if we wrote it and >> I think you could write it and just send it to him to look over. >> Yeah. I mean I think it's pretty standard.
>> Yeah. further thoughts. >> Was there a question about social media? Because I know you're not a social media guy and nor am I. >> It was a question. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, just anybody wanted to >> Jonah maybe he's just gonna answer
>> I no se different um I would in in the open space uh part of the agenda. I was going to mention that we have a desire to have a public engagement around the conservation priorities map that we're working on and
some of our other priorities. So, it would be nice for us, especially since land use chapter and natural resource chapter tie into that. It seems like it could be very nice to make this one big one big event that has that includes that component.
>> Do you have a timeline or a date for that? >> No. The next the next thing on the agenda was for me just to me on our task force was for me to mention to this group just to see if we wanted to overlap with anything that we were doing with SGIC at a larger scale. Um, we have
been roughly thinking of late winter, early spring as a timeline, but but we have that's as far as we've gotten with planning it. >> And as far as the social social media kind of >> for sharing an event or for sharing
about the chapters or both, I'm I'm wondering. Yeah, because the chapters will be available a lot sooner than the event. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, I think that would be we had a press release.
I'm trying to think of what the the sort of content and images on social media would be make it a same. I wonder if do we want to wait until we h are a little closer to the event before we do any type of launch and we could have it on the
website but then as far as a social media and press release it could be >> find us on the website and join us on this date. >> Yeah. >> Talk more about it. >> I think that's a good idea and more of a call to action. >> Certainly more enticing. Yeah. when
>> come to an event rather than go read. >> Is there a um launch or any associated with the Miller's Meadow project? >> No. >> No, not at the moment. >> I'm just trying to think of like very
visible things to plug into that have to do with open space. >> We just sent out that we planted our 650th tree. >> Holy crap. But other than that, I mean, that's something.
>> I'm surprised you didn't hear about it. Clearly my true clearly my efforts haven't been very good. It's on the Green and Greenfield Facebook page. >> Oh, I never go >> there. Social media. I don't know. >> What do I know about these things? So it sounds like we have an outline of a
range of uh modes and uh approaches and kind of a time frame of how to bring these things together. Anything more on this topic for the proposal to the planning board as well? >> Yes. Um yeah, I think that
maybe a couple people should get together and think about it and bring it back to the next meeting because it's you know for the whole group to think about it all the I don't know how well that will work >> and sorry >> and there's also we've I've been we well
we've been I've been focusing or we've been focusing on the land use but there's a second chapter >> and um the land use one is the one that gets me most excited. Ed, but um maybe we're talking about two events anyway. So, it's couple people sitting
down and trying to think this thing through >> would I think be helpful. >> Yeah. I I think the framing for me is not so much the land use loose chapter is up, land use chapter is updated, but rather the master plan is going into its
second decade with a series of updates and we still, you know, >> it's still live. here's how it's being used. Here's our call to action to people to use it and reference it. >> So, um, that would be the frame I'd like. >> And that might be my turn you want to write.
>> And that's what I was saying the same thing. We got these two new chapters and we're working on another update. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah, I I agree with that strategy of framing it. >> Still sustainable after all these years. >> That's cute.
So it so it sound just to recap it sounds like we need a press release which I would be very happy to write a my turn which Bram has already titled and therefore probably is willing to write. Um and then
maybe a not a full subcommittee but but some event conversation offline. That's it. >> Yeah. And my feeling is that we need to talk uh that's why I was thinking of a
subgroup is to talk to think through some of the ideas that we put on the table for an event. So, we're not ready to write a news release because we don't know what we're going to write about it. We don't know the timing of anything. >> You know, the kind of thing that the the topic that you mentioned, Bram, is broad
and vague enough that you're not asking someone to read something. you're just sort of saying, hey, it's out there, you know, which seems like the timing that's okay to do that, but to >> I think there needs to be a couple
people sitting down and >> and thinking through okay is it is it a panel discussion if it is a panel discussion is there one meeting for the land use and one for the NC how much in depth do you want those things to be who would be sitting who would be those
panel you know really think about try to imit make a imagine exactly how it would flow >> but I'm an event person so that's where my brain goes >> that's great >> and it sounds like I would propose I
think two press releases then because I do think a little press release just about the fact that they're going to be live on the website is helpful even I mean it might be a little dry to be like go to the website and read the thing but then I think it makes it even more when
there's a press release about now we're having an event about the thing >> and you were suggesting Jonah combining those if I understood correctly holding off on the initial press release to have it linked to a live event in addition to
>> oh I thought he was talking about social media I thought >> I was saying the press release as well but but whatever folks think I just >> I just wanted to have clarity >> yeah So >> anyway, >> yeah,
>> I I do like the idea of waiting until we have something more concrete. >> Uh because, you know, if you don't, then people start thinking, oh yeah, the the vague and not inspiring unactionable master plan, which I hadn't thought about now and thinking about and calling it that. Um and uh
>> oh how you write >> and what you have to write about though I mean it was I mean we can manufacture the war as as first said um >> not sure but sure >> uh had another thought but it left I think
all everything everything you're saying here is great I'm really with Nancy on the idea of creating an event um and using an as an opportunity to engage the public not only in what's been done and what's being done, but how they can participate. I'm a member of an organization called
FCCPR, which will do a presentation and then have various circles where people get together to talk about different topics. And if you had only like three people who wanted to talk about education, um, but 20 people who wanted to talk about land use, that would still be okay
because those three people then are part of the minutes of the event and other people could come later. Um, it also relates very closely to the progressive blueprint which um does how many people around here know about this one? It was
a kind of a generic platform that was used >> that FCCPR >> Yeah. with with a couple of others. Um, I had a little bit of a hand in it and it was it came out during the uh the election between Roxan and uh and Jinny. Um, and the that model of having a web
page where you put what the current uh information is still listed from different groups. Um, it's worth taking a look at. >> We should probably move on just a time check and move on from this item. Sounds like we have a lot of ideas. Nancy,
>> I would like to bring this to a an action item >> or because otherwise another month will go by and nothing will happen. >> Okay. So, >> one thought I have is just that the next month and a half is kind of hard to get anybody's attention anyway. And then if
we look at January as a time that we're really beginning to communicate it, January, February, and if March was a event date, um that that would give us a a framework to work with and that we could I'd be happy to be on the team of
planning the event and so we could whoever was wanting to do that, we could plan a touch base at some point. >> And Lindsay, will you Oh, sorry. >> That Thank you, Jonah. That's really helpful because where I was going is we need I think we need a little subcommittee. It's just there's too many
ideas floating around. We need to be able to focus and I would be happy I think to to I would be happy to work with you and I would be happy to be part of a team to at least try to come forward with some kind of a
>> Amy >> proposal something. Um, I just want to throw out that April is Earth Day and so it might be that there's some way of working this into a bigger event. >> So, >> still in the spring. >> Let me ask so we can move on for today. Is this something we want to have on the
agenda for next meeting in December or to to have further thoughts or >> will the planning board have updates for us back from I mean I think we're supposed to be making recommendations. Yeah, I my my sense is the planning board will be appreciative of all these
ideas and uh not particularly wanting to tweak them but but to you know to you know uh support them and be involved to some degree. So um I can bring a uh update back. So, if there are a couple people who want to work on this, maybe
what would make sense is to go to the planning board with that information about what we're thinking about. And is there anybody on the planning board that might want to work on it? >> I can ask that question. >> I I don't know. Again, I'm always open
meeting law. I'm always aware of, you know, what what things how things have to be handled. >> Um so, uh as far as Yeah. Why don't um why doesn't Nancy and Jonah uh coordinate offline and I'm going to add it to our January agenda assuming
that December and the holidays are going to be a little bit chaotic. >> But we have a December meeting now. >> Yes, we do. >> Yes. I'm just thinking that between Thanksgiving and whatever else is going on that I I don't want Jonah I think we
have time so that Nancy and Jonah don't have to feel pressured to meet and come back. I can put her on the December agenda. up to you guys. >> When's the next U board the planning board meeting? >> Two weeks. First Tuesday of every month. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> I'll put it on the agenda for December and I'm going to give you like three minutes for updates. >> I'll put it on as an update item. >> Great. >> Okay. >> Thank you. So, next item is discussion of S workflow and administration including social media continued
conversation and this there were three items in this. One is potential SGIC budget items for FY27, funding for air table for FY26 and discussion of use before funding is found and what we had touched on a
little bit discussion of the web page proposed update from Bram with proposed master plan air table view which we touched on a little bit. So, we're starting number one is budget items for FY27 potential. Is that
>> Can I take one and two together? >> Uh, sure. >> Is just because they're going to overlap. Um, and I'm I'm coming to you with half an answer and a question. So, right now the city is in the middle of FY26 and there is no line item for
>> SGIC. Um because some of this work relates to my department and because we're looking at updating the economic development chapter, I am fine to use some of my department budget for air table. Um but
on one document that floated by me, it was like $900, which is getting close to all of my department's um flexible budget. So, I'm wondering if you could tell me what the nine is $900 the cheapest thing that we can
do to make this happen or is there something that would get us through the end of this fiscal year for less than $900? >> Well, to me, the minimum would be uh $24 a month times 12 months. And that
just means I'm already paying for it for myself. There's no reason to pay have me pay for it twice. but that we have somebody else who's being paid out of a city fund so that it's not just me and everybody gets access to it.
Even everybody could if we wanted to share forms, people could submit things through a form to it. The question is who has the ability to look at the whole database and edit it and and manipulate it in a very complicated way. Um and I think that uh if I was for example
collaborating with an economic development group then at least one person of the economic development group should be the person who's having a view of it and then later on we're doing something with education at least one member of the educational group the one who's got this license. So
it' be a sort of portable license you move back and forth for editing purposes. I wonder if we just having one >> just paying for one license since we since we're not flush with cash as a committee. If just paying for one license so that was an official part of
the SGIC and then that person was the official editor because everybody else can view and we had one person who was the official editor and if you pay by the year it's two it's it'd be $200 instead of 240. So you could pay by the year and save a little money and just be one set of $200.
Nancy and then uh >> Amy had her hand. Okay. No, that's okay because I I'm not sure how to I'm not sure what question I want to go with. So, go for it. >> Well, I guess the question I'm I want to ask is I don't I don't Well, maybe it's
a question. Have we agreed that we want to use Air Table? >> I don't know if we found that we were first. This is a threshold question. >> Okay. That's what I thought. Haven't gotten there yet. >> Funding for it. >> I see. But no, not a question, just a statement that if we're talking about
$2ish dollars, that's fine coming out of my department. >> Okay. So, it's possible. >> So, it's possible. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Now, I want to ask that I guess that question of I think the third part here maybe would inform us a little bit more
about what the air table would look like, which might help us then discuss if we want to go that direction. And one of my concerns is I've been since I'm not a tech techie person, I've been
involved with techy people who say, "Oh yeah, I can do this. This is really easy." And then they leave >> and then you're left with this thing that you can't use. So, um, if I can respond to that one
point. Um, just as WordPress is like the most popular website in the world and so you can find people who can do WordPress development for just about any amount of money you want to spend anywhere for your Craigslist. So, Air Table is the most popular database in the world other
than open source stuff. I've worked in many, many, many organizations and they all use Air Table because it's so easy. Um, so you would have absolutely no problem finding people not only who already know it, but it's also very quick to learn. It's a lot easier to
learn than a spreadsheet if you're trying to start doing things like pivot tables, for example, on a spreadsheet. Like how many people here can do pivot tables? >> Don't know. Think about it. >> Well, so that's my answer. >> And I've had trouble with WordPress, you know. >> No, no, WordPress is hard too.
>> That's fallen off the cliff also. So Facebook is falling off the cliff. I'm just saying. >> Thank god. We have to be clear about this. >> So let me ask um Ram you were talking about someone from different areas I would observe being a department
or what exactly but um being involved with this but this would be Amy coming out of your budget and would this be for an SGIC member to um have access to this air table? Is that what you were?
>> Let me ask a delicate question. When you pay for the fee for a year for a user, is it tied to an email and a password? >> Yes. >> Then I would say that the that my
department would pay for like SGIC greenfield-m.gov with a password so that so that that password could I mean that I thank you so much. Um I'll come grab it. Um,
>> chocolate. >> You're all set. Thank you. >> Um, so that that password wouldn't live with a human who could leave and could, although it would be illegal, be accessible by more than one person. >> You know what I mean?
>> Brilliant. >> I notic you stopped typing when you said though it would be illegal. I can't take minutes and talk. So we would um so we would be able to have that different members of this committee access that
>> what's your department? >> Oh community and economic development. Um yeah and that feel so that you know I my staff if we needed something updated and I didn't have the capacity or if one of them if I moved over to do to staff a
different committee and one of them came here or whatever um I think that's reasonable to for the city to pay for a city staffer to have access to >> Thank you. But it wouldn't someone on this
committee who wasn't city staff could use that. Is that what you're saying? >> Yes. >> Yes. I think that would be fine. >> Okay. Hannah. >> Um do you mind talking through a little bit? I know you did this before, but just so we're on a page of like why Eric
Table. >> So you could have a whole bunch of Google spreadsheets and make them all public. And some people have problems with Google, but you know, it could be done. And then you could take a Google Doc,
that would be a table of contents to all of those spreadsheets. The Google spreadsheet allows you to link it to a Google form. So you could enter information, but who has the authority to edit one of
those sheets, right? You need to have a Google account. Um, and obviously it's very easy to, you know, damage data, you know, if you start messing around with it. But what you don't have is the pivot table capacity to say, I want to see all of the things in this sheet that are
also members in this sheet and I want to sort this. Oh, right now I want to sort it by that. Well, I'd like to filter it this way. Well, I'd like to have this calculated column. And not everybody knows how to make formulas in Excel. So, Air Table is just a very robust database
for handling lots of different fields and values together so that you can really focus on what are the questions that you want to ask and what are the answers to those questions. Um, if you took a look at the, you know, that that thing that Nandy Nancy hung
handed at before that you just big long table with lots of different things in it. You can't sort or filter anything like that because in on a spreadsheet view there's lots of merged guys know what I mean by merged uh cells on the table, right? Nancy, could you
hold that up for a second? >> That's yours. Do you see how the column on the left is one big long column and then all these things are subsets of it? >> Um so you can't perform sorts and merges
on this. It's a highly formatted thing. Uh in air table um whether you saw this column or not everything is sortable, filterable, groupable with a click. Are you guys who are online not looking at the thing? He's joined me able to
envision what he's talking about. >> The tables from the master department. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Very good. >> Great. >> So, um again, keeping timing in mind, um the question was funding. >> Sounds like that's going to address.
Yes. I'd just like to propose that I think because we have Bram on the committee and because the cost is relatively small, I'd like to suggest that we try it for a year and see how it goes and see if people actually engage with it and if at the end of the year
the only person that's touched it is Graham and it and it doesn't seem to have functioned then we can reconsider. But it feels to me it I would love especially knowing the economic development chapter update is coming to
give it a shot and see what it could do. >> Um I'll just say I think um this sounds reasonable. I'm glad to have the funding because I I wasn't comfortable with the idea of it being private funded and um I think that having two people from this
committee having access to it and you know that it allows more collaboration and you know different perspectives. So um were you making a motion Amy to or >> um um I don't know that I need to make a motion if it's coming out of my
department budget. >> Well that we're using it. >> Oh. And I guess the question is maybe we don't need a motion to do this, but to to officially agree to use Air Table. I guess that's what we're wondering if we had made a decision and whether or not
we want to have a motion to do that and >> with the funding that Amy discussed or >> I'll I'll make a motion um that we agree to purchase a year
uh a year-long license on Air Table with funds from the Office of Community and Economic Development and that an email address be created so that it is accessible by this committee
and designs from this committee and that we then have Bram upload the master plan to it. >> Is there a second?
>> Thank you. All right. Uh uh discussion. >> Yes. Um, only just to throw out the caveat that I'm assuming that all of this is fine and feasible with it and the city's website. >> So, that's a good question. I'll just check that before I click
purchase on Air Table. >> You want that part of the motion? >> Sure. >> Whether or not we display the Air Table on the city's website still quite useful for us in updating the economic development chapter. So, you don't need you don't have to tie those two things together.
Okay. >> Okay. I'm still going to run it by it, but Okay. Yep. I'm fine with the motion as it is. >> Okay. All uh committee members in favor >> I >> the motion >> I >> Thank you, sir. All right. Is that everybody?
>> You dragging me in there. >> All right. Very good. Thank you everybody. Uh now on to annual reports discussion of GIC annual report. >> Sorry, you don't have to do roll calls since some of us are >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, we do. We do. Okay. Thank you very much. Uh we didn't do it
before, but thanks. I >> I >> I >> I >> I >> I >> I said yes. >> I >> I >> Very good. >> We have number three, George. >> Discussion of SGIC webpage proposed
update. >> Yeah, I just have a couple of questions on that before we go to any report. >> Okay, we should go quickly. >> Yes. Well, you have the questions right on a piece of paper. Did folks who are online have these >> again? I emailed that to them uh when he
gave out the uh meeting minutes. So I guess that was on the Friday or Saturday. So you should have it in your email. So we're looking at this thing right now. >> Okay. >> And we're asking on column one, what should the title be? Should we only
include the original plan intro text uh which is the cover and the implementation or should we also include the original tables? Now if we were not doing air table then the original tables would go under data links but if we are doing air table then we now have three
items from the plan uh the what what your plan the executive summary the implementation pages and the spreadsheets though I could include all three of them in that first column or not >> I'm just going to interject as facilitator and timekeeper that um we
might not have time to go through these details right now uh and give Um, >> okay. >> And attend to the other items we're supposed to get to. Is this something could be is there a reason this has to be done today versus next month? >> Um, I'll skip everything all the way down to number four and number five. So,
I don't know what the timeline is for the annual report. Um, I think that this should be part of the annual report because it's evidence of us doing something. Um, and if it was going to be annual report, we would probably want to review a draft of this uh prior to including it in the report. Well, why
don't we then move on to the annual report question maybe come back to some of these next month month. >> Very good. So, annual report and include prior year reports and plans for current and future years. And who was leading this?
>> Did you email us something? That was the annual report. >> I emailed what you shared with me. Yeah. >> A long time ago. >> I miss something. >> Does everybody have a copy of the annual I'm Okay. got lost again. Sorry.
>> I can tell you when that email went in. >> I remember getting something from you asking me about what I've done in the past >> and you shared with me a copy of it >> and that's the end of what I remember. And now what are we talking about? We're >> I'm going to make a perhaps unpopular
proposal, but since we are on a fiscal year, our annual report would go through June 30th, >> great >> of the year. So my feeling is we could talk about this at a later meeting. Fabulous. >> If that's okay, >> that would be great.
>> I will um I'm going to table it until our next meeting and I will send around with the minutes and agenda the old annual report. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Uh next item is economic development plan chapter
updates. uh >> update from you Amy regarding >> I have a small update. Um I have been in communication with um UMass who has been talking to the um American Institute of
Architects Architects Foundation who are the folks who are going to work with UMass on updating the economic development chapter and they have proposed a scenario where they would still come to Greenfield still do the public
engagement create for us a strategic recommendations and a strategic report um which would be shy of updating the chapter but would be able to do that for under $20,000. I still don't have those funds but I'm
talking to Furco who might have those funds. Um, I need to go back to UMass and talk to them again to better understand what the gap would be between that information and the economic development chapter update of all of the
individual goals. Um, and so I'm just that's a minor update to say this may be a workaround if the committee is willing to invest some work maybe through a a task force or small working group to go through the individual items after we
have the report from UMass. So I will bring more next month when I have a little more detail, but I just wanted to let you know that the conversation hadn't died and we're trying to come up with other options. >> Thank you. Thank. Well done. >> Any questions? Any clarif questions?
Sure. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Amy. >> Thank you very much, Amy. >> Sure. Um, next is Turnis Falls Road bike/pedestrian travel discussion discussion regarding prior work and current conversations around bicycle and
pedestrian access between Turnis Falls and Greenfield along Turnis Falls Road and whether there's a role for SGIC in this conversation. Who was taking the lead on this? I know Sarah and Sarah an email regarding this. Is that >> Yeah,
>> I think it's Sarah. Amy and I met with Beth from Furcog and was it Lori or Laura from Furcog as well. Um >> I don't remember who else was there. I've had like four meetings with Fur this week. I don't remember which one was.
Anyway, the transportation folks at Furcog and Megan I think >> and Nick Perry from Sades Bikes who is a Greenfield resident um and uses that pathway all the time. Um >> is that the one with the hill?
>> Yes. And I think um the main takeaway was that there isn't there hasn't been a formal feasibility study yet. Like they Verco Cog had applied for a grant I think for around like 250,000
and didn't get that study but there was just an informal site visit with an engineer who put it in the ballpark of like 5 10 million um due to blasting the ledge. Um, so I think the next step is just applying for a grant to actually um
do a feasibility feasibility study. And that's something that Amy graciously is interested in because there's technical assistance available from the state. I can't remember any of that program name, but Amy can describe >> the um LEAP program, LEAP, which is an
acronym for something I don't remember through Mass DOT. um who mass mass.mdoot >> and that funding cycle is not open just yet but it just ended but when it is open that's something we can Amy will
keep her eye on and then also meanwhile as a temporary solution is just better signage like having like a 4T for cyclists and this is the speed limit um and that's something that is going to go to the parking and traffic commission um
and also So separately, I was in the citizens academy and I got to see DPW's sign making workshop because they do it in-house and it's very cool. >> But yeah, I think that's basically where it's at. There's not really anything for this committee to do yet in is my
understanding, but just a report of this is like a something in the sustainable master plan realm of a a need for safety and sustainability. So, but maybe you all have more history, particularly George and Nancy. So was curious to
bring it here to hear what had already happened. >> Well, I can offer I I didn't respond an email because I didn't want to risk having a um deliberation that would include a uh forum of this committee, but um yeah, this has been something
that's been on um the FURCOG transportation plan uh radar for a long time and uh I've been involved personally with multiple efforts to study that. um gone with Furcog and other other folks down there when we had
an active um Greenfield Bicycle Coalition. We went down there. We actually did an event probably 10 years ago when um Midsummer when the um foliage was really hanging over on the uphill side. And we collaborated with
the Greenfield Police Department to provide, you know, safety. Um and they had a squad car there. And so we for a couple hours um uh we're trimming back the overhanging um screen and stuff and and it is it is a very challenging um uh
site from the point of view of the terrain going down on one side and up on the other and uh so very expensive and I I agree with you that um the the kind of technology that's important here is behavioral technology and I'll say
signage is key. Um you can use various forms. Certainly the 4T um clearance has been something that's been um disseminated well since that law passed uh with the support from the mass uh u mass bike and um and so there's been a
lot of signs about that. Uh and that would be a wonderful one to have and also flagging pedestrians. And often times there's there's some signs that has like an image of a pedestrian on the side of the road. So that can be uh or cyclist that can be helpful. The other thing is the speed limit.
>> The speed limit there is 40 which is ridiculous. It's a it's a less than a mile. It's a half mile strip. You can go I usually when I I go there all the time visiting clients I see people walking along there especially all the time. And
um and uh it it if it's 30 miles an hour it's seconds different in the travel time. And obviously not everyone would adhere to that, but you know, I don't know its status and I don't know how difficult that would be. It's a green field road, but I don't know its status is is two-way. No, I'm not sure. But I I
I really would um think that one discussion should be reducing that from 30 to 40 miles an hour. So I'll >> Yes, sir. There are two points in that road where there's a turn and if a person is bicycling up the road and a car says,
"Okay, I'm going to pass them on left and a car happens to be coming around the turn at that time," then in order to avoid a head-on collision, you're going to end up hitting the bicyclist. So, I think we should have I mean, I know obviously we have big reflective mirrors that you can put in these places which
would work at night because you'd see um headlights, but I imagine that they have electronic signs that can detect whether or not something is coming and do a kind of, you know, car coming thing. Uh it's behavioral, but also technical. I think that'd be very helpful. I mean, I I'm terrified when I go bicycling up that
hill and I see that curve coming around. Other comments question >> I just had a question around Sarah you mentioned um the 5 to10 million I don't know if it was like an an assumption that someone was making about
what it would really cost um is a feasibility study exploring the feasibility of being able to raise funds at that level or to to see if there's something else that can be done. Yeah. Okay.
>> Um the feasibility, well, we don't have a grant and I haven't had a conversation about the scope. However, in my head, >> the feasibility study would be both um dialing in that number and identifying what that number really represents and that number I think is pretty old. So, I
imagine that number is going to be significantly more. Um but also looking at alternatives. So, there's there's another road up there that's not a public road or not a public road all the way through that maybe could be an alternative path or just offering offering some ideas to try and move us
past what seems to be the dead end of that's a terrible road to bike so sorry. >> Yeah. Um, and I think compounding this is at the end of Turner's Falls Road when you come into Turner's Falls, there's a green bridge there, and they're in the middle of redoing all of those bridges. And my understanding is
that there will be bike paths which will lead to nowhere onto Turner Falls Road. And so it would be great to try and coordinate what's happening there with thoughts around Turner Falls. >> Got it.
when we were I'll just say when we were there we looked at that alter route that goes up I think toward um stop and shop or something like that and I don't think people would utilize that um and especially pedestrians >> especially pedestrians you want to I mean this is people who need to get
somewhere and they're trying to get there as directly as possible I I think it is a the issue >> is the motorist behavior that is the real issue and how that is mitigated by signage and by allowing a speed limit that is
unnecessary and inherently dangerous in a multi-use road of that kind of condition. >> Um so um I don't know the question was is there any role for SGIC? I don't know if we want to make some collective statement about we think this should be
this should be attended to and improved as far as the safety of this road for pedestrians and cyclists. But I'm not sure how we move on from there or just if that this has been helpful, Sarah, to you to hear other people's perspectives. >> Yeah, this feels
>> this definitely feels helpful. Um I don't know if it's a formal statement, but just for the parking and traffic commission to consider that um SIC is recommending a lower speed limit and signage. >> Well, I don't know if we have. I I
certainly was, but yes, John. Yeah, I feel like I agree with you totally, George, and also agree with the point that just lowering the speed limit there probably isn't going to be enough. It's also a tough place for there to be police uh me, you know, monitoring. Um,
so I wonder about other measures for slowing traffic there as well. Um, you know, speed bumps at some point or the signs that tell you how fast you're going. Um, those, you know, some other efforts in addition to lowering the speed limit seems like could help a lot.
And I'll just say speed and you wouldn't have speed bumps there. Speed bumps bring you down to 5 miles an hour. Speed humps is I think what you're referring to and they're really they'd probably be dangerous on that kind of a road and they're really terrible for snow clearing. So uh DPW has a real issue
with them. >> But I I agree with you and and I think it's not just enforcement by police. You have a certain percentage of drivers who will try to adhere to the speed limit. So, and I think giving those those signs which have proliferated, they're in the master plan, these feedback, electronic
feedback signs of how fast you're going. I think they're great and that would be a wonderful I I totally agree with that suggestion to have one on that roadway, especially going downhill. >> The frowny face one is the most effective in my opinion. I feel really bad when it frowns at me
>> and some people will and you know >> smiley face and this >> all day. I'm like looking for that validation. Yeah. >> Any any further? I wasn't going to say anything more in this meeting because I've talked too much. But
>> I just want to say George, thank you so you have so much experience with that road and I'm not a biker, but I'm very concerned about that road and I've thought all of those things that you've thought and I love the addition of some these electronic ideas that uh you know
maybe like >> I don't even know what they all are but I have a suspicion that the feasibility studied in the past might have been to look at the possibility of making the road wider or So look for do something simple and make it happen as opposed to
dream about something that will never happen and let's just do it. I think it's probably not that expensive >> to get it better. >> 25 miles an hour, not 30. >> I say too like from a driver's perspective, I hate driving on that
road. I mean, when you're going from the Turner Falls side to the Greenfield side to go up, some people come down and make that wide turn onto the bridge. It's just like it's terrifying. So that especially if they're redoing the bridges and stuff, I do think it's a good moment to have a whole conversation
about a road that should never really have been built. >> Can at least alleviate that corner. I wouldn't say something. It's a tough corner. >> It's a tough corner and it's really people drive really crazy.
Are we okay to move on or Okay. Um, next item is the open space task force update. >> Yeah, I don't have much. Um, I just I wanted to let folks know that we have a
couple new official members. One, uh, Nancy has agreed to be, um, our third member from SGIC. So, thank you to Nancy, which is wonderful. Um, so we now have our full three. That was our goal from SGIC to have on this team. That
Mary originally was in that spot and now we have Nancy. Uh, and we also now have a rec commission representative which we had wanted from the beginning. Um, and thanks to Franis who went to the rec commission and presented to them and and
now um Dan uh Pekki, >> he is not that troublemaker. >> He's he's on a lot of he's he's a lot of different a lot. everywhere. I love it. >> But now he's on our committee. Um so it's nice to have representation from Wreck. Um since a lot of our
conversations overlap with them. Um so now we have a nice we have a nice full committee uh and some great non non- voting members as we call them including Patty who's there. Um so we have we have a very uh engaged group at the moment. >> Awesome.
>> Last meeting I gave the update on stuff we're working on. I will just note that this meeting coming up on Monday, we will be reviewing the maps, the draft maps for uh priority conservation land in the city. Um so everyone's welcome to
join us there Monday um at 5:00 pm in that room or on Zoom. Um and then the only other thing on my list was to talk about the public engagement which we already talked about. So we'll move that forward. >> Thank you. Any uh questions, comments?
I'll just uh just to clarify, Jonah, the having three members of this committee on that is that a preference or is that something that was required in the original document? >> We uh originally we that's how we set it
up, but we could change that anytime. It's seems like the rules for the task force are quite loose as far as membership. um the lang the language is not very specific. It just say says we're able to create a task force and um so that's how we envisioned it was three
members of SGIC, a representative from the conservation commission and a representative from the rec commission and that's what we currently have. >> And and do you have um so how many voting members are there total? >> Five. >> Okay. Do you need to have at least three
to have a meeting for? >> We do. We do now. Yeah. Previously was we only had there were only three of us for a little while. So Okay. Only needed two. Yeah. >> Thank you. Thanks for doing the extra work. It's great.
>> Others who are participating. Um well, there's nothing else for that. Um next is um announcements and updates. There is a specific update about the green field energy fair, how it went. uh tableabling experience and thoughts to carry forward
to other events and next year's energy fair and Fran you shared a um handout. Uh do you have actually >> Yes. So, uh, we had, uh, four people stop by
the table and they could, uh, share their thoughts, um, and sign a sheet that we had provided for if we ever wanted to do public input, we would let them know. Um, we still haven't followed up on how we would let people know and
where we'd be keeping that information. But now that we have Air Table, we can use that to keep that information also when people want to sign up and say, "Please let us know about stuff." Um, what was more impactful was the opportunity to present briefly in front of the room because then at least
everybody could hear that we were a co-sponsor and what we were up to. So um I think you know future opportunities to table should be considered for that. >> Any other thoughts? I know I had not
been able to be there as I'd hoped >> and thank you so much to um Amy and and her team for getting everything printed out and and it was really really well done event and pizza was very good. Thank
you, Nancy. >> So, you were there? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I was there for part of it, I think. Um I was just curious. Um so, now we have a banner, right? Wasn't there a banner by our table? >> Yes. Yes.
>> Yeah. And so, where did that come from? Also, Amy. >> Oh, thank you, Amy. >> It was a cheap B. Oh no, it was a it was a very
informative meeting. I um I enjoyed the part that I went to. >> Very good. And um and next year's energy is an annual event. >> Love to hear Jamie's thoughts as a co,
you know, official. >> Um I thought it was great. I there was that moment of panic early on in the evening when it feels like everybody comes 5 minutes or 10 minutes after the event starts. And so um I was holding my breath a little bit. But I thought that
that turnout wound up um great. And I thought the format this year, Nancy, of having each vendor come up and just say a couple of words about who they were worked really well to give people an idea of who was in the room. Okay. >> Um and the pizza was great.
Yeah, I'll I'll add that um we didn't have as many attendees signed up this year as we did last year. And that moment of panic, you know, I was really kind of freaked out about it and and and worried about it. And uh and the
fact is we didn't have that many uh attendees that weren't organizers or vendors. You know, the truth be known. And yet after the official presentation, people hung out and talked with the vendors
longer than even last year. We sort of had to throw people out, you know, just they wanted to be there. So that made me feel really good that it was worthwhile and that um so
>> I'll also say yeah that um the it has paid off for my department after the fact we had a property owner reach out to us coincidentally maybe two or three days after the event. he owns a multi-unit property and he wanted to upgrade his windows and he was wondering
if my department had any money to help him do that which we do not. But um I was able to reach out to Nancy and get the list of the vendors who were there and he's connected with one of those vendors and they've been CCing me on their conversations via email and they
seem to be getting along great and he's being shephered to the right um place in the bowels of Mass Safe. So, thank you. >> That's great. Thank you. >> And sometimes it's not just the raw number of people, but the quality of the engagement.
>> Yeah, that's what I took away from it. >> Well, and I think the connection with the vendors was >> I like that we're >> And I I talked to each of the vendors before I left and they all said they great event. When are we going to do it again? >> Oh, excellent. Um I did energy for 20 or
30 years and it was like being with my old home Yeah. buddies even though I didn't know them all was like this is anyway I was I was really happy. >> Great. >> Okay. Um there were no other additional topics reasonably anticipated by the
chairperson at the time of posting. Um, so I don't know if there's any other um announcements anyone wanted to make that's relevant that what wasn't uh available at that time, but >> I yeah, >> I know I've been saying many too many things. Uh, >> but I was
>> you haven't quite reached your quote before. >> I just wanted to point out how exciting it was in the reporter to see an announcement about uh Ashefield. for and got a climate leader grant.
Well, a climate leader status which enabled them to get money up to a million dollars for solar and they got $870,000 grant to do solar and I would love for
Greenfield >> to to do that to apply for that. >> Thank you, Dar. >> If anybody wants to want me to to re send this little thing around everybody to remind you know so you know
what it's all about I'm happy to do that I wasn't quite sure what the protocol was about sharing things with everybody >> my understanding is sharing information is fine >> but you can have it >> oh sure sure >> that's another question
>> but the the only thing is we can't have deliberation right >> which means we can't share thoughts or ideas about it but >> but send this out and say hey did you see this I think it's really exciting. I'd love for >> And you're wondering if people want to receive it. >> Yeah. Would people well welcome that or like I don't want to see
>> anyone object Sarah's got something to say. >> Yes. >> It's mixed. Okay. >> Sarah, please. >> No, sorry. This is on just another announcement, not on this. I would love to see what Asheville's doing. >> Um the other
>> Let's Let's let Sarah continue. Go ahead, Sarah. Come back. Um, so my announcement is is more just to keep on our radar that um, council or constituents brought forward the idea of
a noise ordinance. Um, there's no draft yet and it's from this precinct 7 neighborhood neighborhood group. Um, and folks are now considering leaf blowers as part of that. So, just to put that back on our radar if we wanted to um
give any advice or input that that's something that's going to be in the works. >> So, is that a suggestion that for the next agend uh agenda in December, we have discussion regarding the noise ordinance issue? >> It Yeah, that might make sense. Um I
just started getting emails to my council email about people's feelings about leaf blowers again. So, if you I don't know. I think it would be nice if it was held in this committee, but I don't know if we do want to prioritize that or not. But, >> uh, Amy and then
>> I'll just say that I met with um the folks leading that effort today and Sarah, I sent them um to you with your city councelor hat on and Hannah, I sent them to you with your GBA hat on. Um, and they know that SGIC discussed loop
lowers, however, briefly. So, I suspect even if we don't add it to the agenda, it may likely wind its way here. I also just wanted to add because I got a call today about that. Um, and the the member of precinct 7 that reached out to
me said that leaflowers is not part of it and that she felt like that was a rumor, >> but she might have just been saying that to me. >> And not that that matters. I just I don't want to perpetuate a rumor if it's not true. I I think that um they have looked at a ton of other municipalities
and recognized that um there are lots of things causing noise which could be an issue and so I think they're thinking of the ordinance in trying to think of it in more neutral terms not like a section on leaf blowers and a section on this and a section on that but just a broader
language but they have very much talked about leaf blowers in the context of their research. >> Yeah. So I'll suggest we put it on the agenda and then because we shouldn't get into a deliberation now either because it wasn't on our agenda. So if we have it on the agenda next time then all the members of the public will know we're
going to be discussing that and that would be my suggestions and for a time factor too. >> Yeah that sounds good and possibly inviting um Kate Brotten and I'm forgetting the other person Mary to discuss it if they want. >> Great.
>> Thanks. And you had a brief followup with Nancy >> just that um I've spoken to Laura about that designation a while back and uh Lauren Randolowski and while she would love to have it there are some barriers to getting it done. Um and if we as a
committee wanted to invite her to either email us the current status of that um or even come and speak. I'm sure she'd be glad to do it. I know she came here like a year ago or something. Did she come? No. Did I make that up? Who was that again?
>> Laura Wandleski. Did she ever come to >> Isabelle, but I'm not I'm not sure off the top of my head. >> I think I spoke to her a number of years ago about it. >> Sarah, have you heard anything from Laura about that designation? >> No, I imagine she's been busy, but I think that she said she like worked on
the vehicle low emission vehicle purchase >> policy, whatever. I think it would be cool to have her speak. I think she would interested >> that for a future meeting. Yes. I just might suggest we talk to Carol first because I would assume this would fall
under Carol's umbrella rather than run to Laura. >> Okay. Um and lastly uh as far as our next meeting we had agreed on uh due to the Christmas holiday December 18th 3rd
Thursday at the usual 4:00 time but had down here discussion to confirm it's an off schedule meeting the college student. So just double checking. >> I wanted to include the discussion in the agenda item in case we all came to this meeting wishing that we hadn't
changed it to December 18th. So >> there >> any uh anybody have a concern about this time or do we know that we'll have does it seem like most people can make it so we'll have forum? I I'll just mention I
was able to the committee usually conflicts with they were agreed to do it again at a different time next month. So I can come >> that's great. >> Okay. So we're confirmed for the 18th at four. >> Do you have anything to say about
composting? >> We'll be starting the first week of December at the high school dumpster >> or the very beginning of the second week. A dumpster is being delivered December 1st. >> That's so exciting. Thank you. That's huge. >> Thank you.
>> The only thing we're we need to talk to um >> Amy Donovan. >> Yes. Okay. >> She wants to come and do >> presentations, assemblies. So, we're trying to avoid that. >> Y >> a lot of the kids that came up from the elementary schools are very >> confident with composting.
We're just doing it at the high school. So, it would be we get the containers in the in the cafeteria, get them set up, get the station set up, work with her if she wants to come the first week during lunches or something like that and just coach the people as they're doing it because they probably just need a brief
reminder and not actually taking all the kids out of classes and putting them in the auditorium, retraining all our staff. I have one day shift custodian that's going to be managing this. So, it's not like I have to all 16 employees in all my schools. Um, stuff like that. So, try not to dig too deep on this and
and not use up too much of her time. I think her just being there um I don't know if I should use the word babysitting, but monitoring. Monitoring, that's probably a better word. >> Um is I think it's going to be better. >> So cool. >> Thank you. Thank you. This is how many
years? Five years in the making. >> But see how much better it feels to wait so long. >> Glass full. Nice. Well, we all get to celebrate. We get to celebrate. Yeah. Thank you. >> All right. You can throw the first bag in the dumpster. >> We adjourn the meeting.
>> All right. Is there a second? >> Second. >> And we'll do roll call. I >> I >> I >> I >> I Yes. >> I I >> Very good. We're journed.