This meeting is being called to order at 3:43 p.m. This is being recorded by the Greenfield Unhoused Community Adoc Committee. If any other persons present are doing the same, you must notify the chairperson at this time. So, first we'll do a roll
call of members. Um, and councelor Sarah Brown present. Um, Christine Allen. Christy Allen present. Robin Green present. >> Jake McCle
um Zoe >> Zoe Smith present >> and that's it, right? That's everybody work for it. >> Um so first we have the approval of minutes from August 21st, 2025. Is there a
motion to approve? >> So motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. Good evening. >> And now it's done. Um, so now we have public comment. Is there anybody online
who wants to make a public comment? Feel free to state your name and your address. >> Okay. >> Hearing none. >> Thanks. Hearing none. Um, we'll move on to our agenda. So, I have some
announcements. Um, I have sheets for rent control. If you haven't signed yet, please sign. And if you want to take sheets to get signatures, that would be great as well. Um, and we're doing really well
statewide. There's 70,000 signatures collected and the minimum that we're supposed to get is 75,000, but that's like certified, so you're supposed to get whatever buffer. But still we were like on track because it ends December 3rd or really we start getting them
verified November 19th. But that's going well. Springfield no one leaves it particularly. Western Mass is doing like meeting the statewide count for signature question verified 19th but we could do it till December >> kind of they need to be able to get
verified. So sort of November 19th is like the soft deadline. Um so that's going on and then we as people already know like this snap um
government shutdown that's happening. So the city is working on putting up like a list of resources of food and supplies. Like we already have one on the website but this is like a updated one and like there's already four with three cares but whatever. Just revamp that.
[Music] came up. >> Exactly. So, now is a good time to mobilizing. >> Yeah. And I would like to amplify for3 cares for anybody who's listening to this and isn't familiar with the website. It's not just food resources, but it's it's like all the resources
that they can kind of put together and there's like interactive maps and categories and you can search by list or put in your address. So, basically any type of assistance or help you might need. I know the the food is like the food section of 413 Cares, you can look up community meals, you can look up food
pantries, there's links for assistance um for SNAP benefits and other state benefits and things like that when when they're available. So 413cares.org um and the number is 413. >> Awesome. >> Um and then also just separately working
on like a community bridge. Talked about that and we all talked about that. Um, still looking for a host location. Again, can't really use public land, so looking for a private um, location that time.
>> If you know of any good spots. >> And the idea of a community fridge and community pantry is that um, unlike a food bank or a meal or something that might be constrained to certain times or things like that, a community fridge or pantry is accessible 247 without stigma.
Um, and there's a lot of like the idea is community support. So, you leave what you can, take what you need, um, and a very good friend of mine is very involved with the Dorchester community fridges. Um, and has a lot of really wonderful things that she has shared with me that I'm now sharing with a
wider audience about their successes. Um, and I think it's a I think it would be a nice addition to the resources that are already in place. It's not to replace pantries or meals or anything like that. It's it's an addition. So >> um then on the announcement, this was
more just like it doesn't necessarily belong on announcements, but winter preparation regarding portaotties and outdoor water access. So this was just a check-in with Hugh if there's still like bathrooms or if waters turned off or how that is going.
>> Nothing there hasn't been for months. >> It already has been turned off for months. >> For a few months now. Yeah. And the port of Bonnie is gone. >> Yeah, that's been taken last month. And I
Fernando are currently using our shower room as the bathroom. We're using a shower. We use a trash bag and a and a porker potty type thing that was bought at Walmart. Okay. Well, that's there was a way to
get something like that for all the homeless. Maybe that would probably be a little bit more efficient for them through the winter >> with trash bags that smelled that have some sort of scents to them. That probably really helped them. They got them at Walmart
toilets there for like 20 something like that bucks. Really? Okay. Well, that's not good. Um, so I think what the next step would be like call to central maintenance and do that and so we can
stuff. >> What do you do you want to call central maintenance or do you want help calling? >> I think that would be great. I got a problem with that. That would be great. So, I will um send you the contact info
and you can mention you're on the committee and hand me back to All right. >> Um, next announcement. Larry Thomas receipts. Okay.
>> Thomas received the human rights award. Um, he got it. So, that's exciting. >> He can't be here today. He's supporting a friend. Um, he was maybe trying to zoom in, but he can't do that either. Um, but there there's an award ceremony
for him Monday, December 8th in the evening. I'm not sure exactly what time yet, but I think it would be really sweet if folks in this committee wanted to join and then we could say nice things about someone would like to pick me up. >> Yeah. Over at the dog park. >> And that'll be at the Greenville Public
Library will be the the ceremony. >> I would love to show up. Awesome. >> Yeah, it's good for Larry to be recognized for his work. Um, >> anybody else have announcements? Those are mine.
not for everybody, but um then the next topic was collaboration with the sheriff's office, but it's just you right now, so I'm not really sure what you want to share about. >> I don't have much information on that. That's Yeah. >> Are we um Is the superintendent maybe
joining later or something? We're not sure. >> He never responded to me. >> Okay. But we can certainly postpone it in the in the agenda order and then that way. >> Yeah, >> that sounds good. Put that later. Um, so
then the next topic is community relations committee timeline regarding submission of the report of recommendations. So basically my last community relations committee with councelor Perry and um
the council president Laura Wandalowski and Addie Williams and whatever those people we talked about um what do we want out of this committee like of course it was created as an ad hoc but also work is ongoing. We could give
recommendations. We could continue. we could what do we want to do like I guess was the purpose of this topic was what what would we and then also the next topic on the agenda is um talking about those recommendations so I don't know if
we want to think about recommendations and then what we want to think about for timeline we could do it in any order but anyone feel free to share your thoughts on what our end goal is and if we dissolve or what's happens beyond
>> uh let me do want to say that I don't kind of want it to end because as I was explaining to Sarah, there's always so many issues in Greenfield and I don't feel with how many there are and how many people we are we have that the city council or our mayor is enough to keep
our town organized with the fact that we had to put the ad hoc together at all in the first place. So that's my opinion. I'd like it to stay.
>> How much of what this committee would continue to do? How much is there an overlap with the human rights committee? Like as far as I'm just trying to kind of figure out what what the relationship is there a little bit. Um
>> yeah. >> Yeah. Maybe to bring a little more to that question. I think maybe it would be helpful. The thing is it's hard because there's always so much that comes up in between meetings that it's hard to like put a meeting aside to do a thing. But we
never really did establish our goals as a committee which I think would be helpful and it's a lot of us are doing work with other groups or having other initiatives outside of this group which is really
cool. Um, and maybe there are some things that we realize we want to do here, but are better accomplished other places. So, I think to Christiey's point, like if we're going to keep doing this for a while, which it seems like a
lot of people want to do, we should figure out what we're going to be doing. Which maybe is just restating your questions. I mean, I'm not saying for us to be permanent permanent, but if we can eventually get Greenfield to become
where we actually take care of each other and we actually give a damn and we're not treating each other like crap and stealing from our next door neighbors or from the places that need money in order to survive for their companies to stay home. That's kind of my end goal is I want our town to become
a town again. my end goal. If we can get druggies to not be druggies anymore and we can get life to just be life again in this town, that would be nice. Personally, that even means if we have
to drug to kick out all the drug lords to make our town into a town again. But whatever we got to do to make our town safe and worth it again is what I want. There was I you I remember there being something at the ad hoc original
creation about like reporting back. >> Yeah. >> Right. And that I think like certainly if nothing we should we should create some sort of like lasting document that like memorializes everything we've kind of talked about and the feedback that
the community has given and the firsthand lived experience that we've heard and things like that. and even just like saying these are the things that this could because this was our focus. So we were able to spend time on it and this is what we have and then so
that way um whether this ad hoc committee continues or whether it's the human rights or it's the mayor or something there's at least some sort of reference being like this work has I heard a lot of stories about like ah we've done this work before we've had these meetings before and it's like
great so like let's create something that memorializes it so then right we can hand it over and somebody else could you know see how things have changed or something like that. >> Um yeah, and even if we're treating it like you know either a shot a snapshot
of time or a living document which is like as of this committee's work this year, we have found like these are the the pressing needs and this is kind of the environment that we find ourselves in SNAP benefits you know being eliminated and stuff like that. these are the problems that we have found a
solution for and have not you know and then if the the committee continues next year there could be like the 2026 update which is like this is our successes this is the new things that we're looking at but I think kind of that like that report back I think is probably even if
it's just bureaucracy you know sometimes the point of the meeting is the meeting right so like having something to show for the work of it um and the good work of it >> yeah I feel like I'm happy to do a
report or work on that for this year and then we don't necessarily need to be like meeting but I don't necessarily want to like dissolve this yet like maybe just like okay we check back in in like 3 months whatever six months or like some sort of like okay like how did
implementation >> go based on those recommendations >> I mean I don't want that really slowing down until we can get the creation of the encampment up Right. And that I feel like >> slowing down is going to make the process take longer.
>> Longer. >> That's something that I don't um think is in the purview of this and doesn't need to be publicly reported because it's not relevant. The part that's relevant for us is like do we have the zoning that would support a little tiny home village? Like that's
the part that we work on here in a publicly recorded hybrid meeting. But then I don't think the like actual like how are we going to govern it and like those kinds of and how what where did the units decide to land right?
>> Yeah. But it's just private property so it's not we're not sure where but because I feel like maybe if we're not meeting then that also frees up time to focus on that project. >> Yeah. I think that this I think we're
sort of coming to a model where we meet less frequently and prioritize our ability to note things in these meetings and delegate them to other bodies like for example what you guys are talking about your sort of improv group that has
started working on the encampment and like human rights commission and I I do think the the One thing the the couple of things we've noted that are in the perview of this committee are like
research and reporting like putting together a kind of info document like you're talking about and um proposing zoning changes. So maybe it makes sense to like as a proposal for the future of this
group meet less frequently and at our meetings focus on um zoning information and delegating tasks to other groups.
Does that make sense? Does that seem fair? >> Information synthesis. Yeah, synthesis. Good. I like that. >> Yeah, Robin, I think you make a really good point, which is I mean, and this is kind of that like again bureaucratic
systems civic stuff like this ad hoc task force or whatever like like we don't have the authority in in city government to like take action, right? Our authority is in the research that we're doing. That is where our power is.
Our power is that we have that ability to gather information, coales it and then right give it to somebody who does have learning. So right you using the power we do have at its maximum. Um, yeah.
>> Okay. So, let's So, I think maybe what I would bring back to community relations is not ready to be dissolved completely, but we're going to meet pretty infrequently and do this report. >> Ambulance one, respond to medical
emergency at 24 Homestead Avenue. respond to medical emergency at 24venue. >> What are the drawbacks of meeting here? You're going to be responding 24 unwell, dizzy, difficulty breathing and
abdominal pain. 24 Avenue 68 female party on nausea difficulty breathing and having pain just um okay okay and then another thing is like
now that Goodwin's not a committee member But the mayor had up to two appointments. So that's something we can ask if we want someone else to be appointed as well. If anybody
wants to like of course like pin him here if you're interested in being appointed other people >> or we can figure >> I think kind of the question for our ad hoc if we're going to either like you
know if people want to approach the mayor and say hey I'm interested in being on that like I like I wouldn't stop anybody if they if they had that. I think also my question is always like who's not at the table, right? Like whose voice is not being heard or shared, right? If you're is if you're
not at the table, you're on the menu. Um and so making sure that if if the mayor does wish to exercise, >> you know, like a replacement appointment that it is a voice that like we we don't
hear enough or that we don't hear from at all or something. That would just be my request. >> And if we're meeting not infrequently, then someone be your guest could be added group too. Um, did you have your hand free? Do you want to share? You can
come up mute. >> Hi. So, um, I agree with Zoe. Um, but I would be willing to, um, be on the committee if you wanted me to be. >> Awesome. Thanks. Yeah,
>> great. I'll get in touch with the mayor. >> Yeah. And I'm I'm not going to tell somebody else's story, but I think Pamela McBride probably has a lot of firsthand experience too in the work that she does that would be beneficial to the committee as well. [Music]
Um so let's think about this is our topic key components of the recommendations report and deciding steps. So these are some components and we can maybe hear all of them and then go into
them. So, the survey data takeaways, improving access to resources downtown and at the campsites, updating resource card, and creating a map, decriminalized homelessness for overnight camping and parking.
Um, zoning changes for manufactured homes, tiny homes, and a campground, village model. And then just related strategies for public health, safety, affordable housing ecosystem. Um,
start with the survey data takeaways because Reese just talked to Reese for two minutes. They can't make it right now. Um, they said that the like collecting responses has slowed down. It's basically done, but we could
just use what we have as like a batch and that seems adequate. But we could also like keep it open. But there's like enough responses there to work with to and summarize in a report. Um,
but if we wanted to like open it back up again, like the warming center could be like a location that we're asking folks. Thanks. >> Yeah. Well, I think I think that survey whether it's this ad hoc or not, I think is going to be
beneficial like ongoing. even if it's just like a chunk of time, but like things change, politics change, resources change, stuff like that. Um, yeah, I think maybe like putting a pause on it or at least like
yeah, not not looking at the data as closely, you know, through different seasons. I I would like my brain would like if we're kind of talking about a like a report, I want to like organize it. Yeah. Yeah. >> Like in digestible. So we would have
like you know like things identified or like data like you could have aggregated survey responses as an appendix. You could have models of communities or whatever as an appendix. But then our report would be like >> shortcomings that we have identified in
the community through either like research or hearing feedback or like all the above. And then like like resources that the community can access and you know and like and is working right. can identify those things. Um and then right
like based on these things that we've >> identified sounding at 165 street >> street um you know based on these things that our research has identified and the voices that we have heard then
>> like actual recommendations from this committee about ways to either address shortfalls for um like like supporting the things that are working. So it's like the data and like what we know in
this time, what our conclusions are, right? And then in that it could be things like access to that resource card like we recommend that this is maintained and updated and includes this information or whatever. um we recommend
um changing of ordinances because we have identified up here these problematic ordinances. So we recommend these types of changes and again like our recommendation could just literally be like our job is not to actually come up with the language but we've identified that we should decriminalize
this. Okay, now go you do it you type but um and then right and then the appendix that has all of that supporting data in it. So, um it's a document that could be referred to but is also comprehensive in itself. >> Yeah, we were talking about and we were
talking about writing actual language >> in order to make it more digestible and less of an action item for city council. Um which I still think makes sense. It's just um >> it's just but I still think that
>> parties going forward. >> Yeah. Is there I guess before we like go into each topic and how that's getting into a report and the other just like meta level. >> I like this. I like the appendix
like a lot of information. For sure. I agree. >> TLDDR to reinvent. >> For sure. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, I'm thinking a lot about the housing study that's on the city websites and I mean, I feel like that's a good model for the kind of thing we're trying to produce. >> Like a story map.
>> Yeah. >> Thing. I forget what that's called. >> Those are really nice. >> A visual presentation would be even better, honestly. >> That would be cool. Yeah. >> Yeah. We can put that together over time. >> Yeah.
Yeah, I think like um you know Sarah you just asked like okay any other meta things like I think like classifying like you know food, health care, transportation like kind of those categories making sure that we're like
hitting those things and we're not um >> we're not overlooking or forgetting something. Um it's >> so these to me feel like the components but if you don't think these but does this feel accurate like the survey
takeaways the resources downtown and at campsites. So specifically we're saying like there needs to be yearround bathrooms trash pickup >> water >> water and then even like 247 like water refill. downtown or free bridge even if
it's not on public property whatever like those kinds of things >> then the making the nicer resource card and >> a map >> I want to do it
>> you're still gonna put the map in the comment >> yeah well I mean >> the map >> when the map I just want to get a lighter. >> Yay. >> I think it would be great. >> It's the best thought for it.
Everybody's always had a common. >> I mean, the trash pickup is also great, too, but also it's just something that needs to happen. It didn't happen yet. So, I feel like we're at the stage of everything is like we we know the things the ideas have been, but like we just have to execute them. Um, then this one
I think is like also more research still, not just executing, but the decriminalized homelessness for overnight camping and parking. >> That's confusing. I feel like the other decriminalization ordinances that we've looked at seem less priority from talking with you if
um around like loitering because there's like state law and it's specifically just like obstructing the sidewalk. It's like not >> Yeah. >> It's not just existing. It's like right >> getting in the way of other people going by. >> Yeah. And I think like right the ones
that were identified the parking um and stuff like that. Those are the ones that are like at least from my experience are the ones that are really like that people are bumping up against th there are a whole bunch of old things that
practically to your point are just it's not I if if we have limited resources and we need to change language we should be focusing on those other ones first. Um, >> and those in and of itself require talking to like the National
Homelessness Law Center and Chief Dodge probably guessing and I don't know the parking board of license. >> Yeah. Well, the the parking thing anyway, we can get in the parking room. Parking thing requires I don't know. The parking thing is
difficult because um the ordinance makes frequent reference to institutions that exist in the city and then those institutions don't know that the ordinance exists um
or don't aren't aren't referencing it in the same way. So, it's I don't know. It'll take a little walking and talking, but anyway. So, parking. Yes, parking is important. It's also going to be hard, but that's okay. >> Yeah. And then the zoning changes for
So, basically, we're just there's a lot on the table. So, I'm like, how do we do all these steps? That's a lot. And then the zoning changes that also requires following up. The manufactured homes is like a very that's the lowest lift. Basically, we got that modification for but then the tiny homes
at the campground one too. So, still requires talking to planning director. >> Yeah. >> Question. >> Yeah. >> We were talking about a community fridge, right? I was wondering, we said we can't really do private property, right? >> Public
>> public we can do, but we could do if we like have someone who like owns a like small building type thing. >> Exactly. um on Main Street. That small small building that's right next to
bees right there, that closed down building, >> the Bonnie Bees >> next to it that's closed down that's hasn't been touched in years. The last time it was ever touched was a guy that once it was in there and he gave out Pokemon cards and a whole bunch of other little things in it. Great. What if we
could talk to the person that may own that and put the community fridge in that little bit and have someone that could be hosted to watch that area for the community over during the hours of places. >> It's a very small building. >> That's a that's a great idea. I think
the the there is the guy who owns it actually has been in there and I think he's trying to open >> something. >> I know. I know. I know. It's been sitting vacant this whole time and now we have a great idea. Maybe we could talk to him and maybe he could do like a half half type thing >> and and I think
>> yeah and >> it's like the perfect >> I think the point is and what I've learned from my friend in Dorchester is that really there's like these these concerns about liability and things like that really kind of dissolve away when people start
looking at the reality of it and finding partners that own property or a building that are willing to participate um was initially difficult for her But once they kind of established what that looked like, it it was not that big of a deal. And so I think right either that
space would be like wonderful because of its location. But also I think probably a lot of people have land that would be a really good spot and just all it would take would be a little bit of a conversation to just show them what it looks like. Um that
would be willing I hope to to uh participate in that. Yeah, I thought y'all said downtown and that's literally downtown. >> Everybody walking by would see it. >> Yeah. >> Wouldn't be hidden from anybody or sitting in anyone's yard.
>> So, that's my thought. >> That's great. So, so it's a lot of tasks and then just the bucket of related strategies for public health, safety, affordable housing,
those I feel okay if we don't execute fully like in terms of like I feel like those we can just like sprinkle some ideas and just like not I don't think we're beholdened to the same level of like yeah because it's more just like these
are also things would support better adjacent. Um, so yeah, not sure. Um, I think in a dreamy scenario, we could do really
wrap up report like December, whatever. Okay. But like but then that each ta each each task has like a couple sub meetings or tasks or whatever. So I'm not sure but what I
don't know maybe just like a round on like oh what do you what are you interested in? What do you have capacity for? I don't know any of that kind of thing or what would what do you think would be good next steps? I mean, >> it's also if you have none, it's okay,
too. It's literally >> So, it seems like, correct me if I'm wrong, that the things that need done are we need to finish the wording for our ordinance
change recommendations. >> Yeah. >> We need to >> the decriminalization. >> Yeah. Um, we need to summarize the findings from the survey. >> Yep. Re
>> Yep. >> We need to um formalize our recommendations for provisions of things or people like provisions of goods and services >> like the trash.
>> Yeah. And then those three things need to be put together in visual presentation >> and and the zoning changes. >> Oh, sorry. I thought that was >> ordinance actually. Yeah, that's true. I guess they are the same. Zoning is under the bucket of ordinances, but they're
separate council subcommitt. So I So doing getting all those done by mid or late December could be feasible. >> Yeah.
>> Depending on So I I feel good about that fourth part. I think I would enjoy >> the visual present >> putting together the presentation. >> Oh, that's wonderful. >> Um in mid mid to late December. Yeah, >> that's great.
>> So, you're simplified. Sorry. It was survey, >> it was the goods and services, >> and the zoning ordinances. >> Yeah, >> those are the three things. >> Those are the three things >> that go in the visual presentation. So, I would I would just make a slideshow
would be my format and then talk in front of the slideshow. I think that's what people like, right? More or less. Um, >> they like >> Yeah. So, if Reese could do 0.1 and I could do four,
>> you're doing the visual >> the visual presentation, then if we could have some friends to do points two and three, >> maybe we could be okay. >> That seems good. >> I mean, I feel like ordinances is like my bread and butter supposed to be, but
I'm not. >> Yeah. No, it's a lot. Well, it's these have been so hard. These are hard ones. >> They were really like get like the parking ordinance is is it explicitly says like you are the ordinance
basically says you are allowed to park overnight in some places and not other places. And here are the institutions in town that keep the list of what those places are. And those institutions don't have that list. It doesn't exist and they don't know about it. So it's
there's but that that is also enforced, right? So clearly there's some criteria. It's just we haven't I don't know how to I don't know how to make the paper turn into reality in a good way. Sorry that was a that was a pretty
significant tangent. My apologies. Um yes, the zoning and ordinances are hard. I would also love if we um make this report and the presentation you're talking about and then it's open to the broader community. I feel like that'd be
really cool if we because I feel like people from the Grange were um talking to me about how they wanted to focus on homelessness issues and there's just so many people in town. kind of like the idea of the housing and homeless um
barbecue that we didn't do, but like we can do that a food time with people. I don't know like this could be our it could it should have like an event along with it to like build support
>> along with >> along with like giving the orientation. Gotcha. >> I feel like that would be nice as a goal. >> Yeah. Like some sort of food Food brings people together. >> Music brings people together.
>> If we were to find some kind of band members with it, >> gave them that and then a presentation so that they have a sideshow as well for entertainment. >> Yeah. Like a mid December holiday. >> Yeah. Presentation
>> or January if it's too ambitious. Got >> a lot of people that do band practice. I think that'd be a nice deep winter. >> I think coalescing I I think we all kind of have an idea of what this like ad hoc committee's
recommendations are, but I think we really need to like >> Yeah. >> put it to paper, make sure the word wording is what it is, and then the and then the ad hoc committee agrees that like yes, this is what we're signing to. Um >> we do need to do that. >> Yeah. Um,
and that could even just I guess I'm volunteering for this start as like a just as a list kind of like a bolded list and be like, "Okay, we all agree that this is a recommendation. Okay, what like what do we want it to say?" And it might just I don't know if it makes sense to
do it like I'll put a list together of all the things that I picked up from my notes. Um, I won't try to get too wordy, but I'll try to like really like kind of coalesce it and then we can present it to the group and then we can all tweak it or say it's good as is or something like that.
>> Um, if you do that in a working document, would you mind sharing it with me? >> Love to appreciate that. >> Great. Um, Pamela McBride, do you feel like with
the resource card, I'm not sure, was it last updated in August? And if you wanted to like come off to speak on that at all. >> Okay. Um, actually, I updated the community resource card yesterday. Um, >> amazing.
>> Because we wanted to make it up to date with what's happening this weekend. Um, so I will send you I'm not sure if I've shared it with you, but I will share the document with you. >> Thank you.
>> Um, anything else? Um, I think that was mainly all like I still like the idea of making the physical map, but I'm not sure um
>> whose paid staff time we could find for that. But I'll look I I'll try to follow up with Furog because I didn't ever really like follow up after the other meeting we had and be like okay like hey anybody can help >> do we have any mapping friends? Does
anyone know anyone who knows how to do maps? Um Hannah, the executive director from the uh Greenfield Business Association, they have like their business map and she said that the
business association has access to that mapping software. It's something that they pay for um as like Yeah. And that she would be willing to participate in something like that. um and get one of those like cute little
threequarter view like of the downtown maps and plug things in. Um and that we would just basically more or less need to provide the list of things that we want on that map. Um I think yeah it could get a little overwhelming. That would have to be a further conversation with her because she's more familiar
with that map. But um but she did suggest that that was something that she could Okay. >> Okay. So maybe that's actually less complicated. Like if we can just hand the spreadsheet over then we basically already started some spreadsheets. I
don't have the like firm reduction supply drop off of like there's still like research to input into the sprint but >> yeah we need someone to produce and deliver. What >> nothing? But that's great.
Cool. That was promising. Um Okay. Um what do we think I guess about do we want to say any of the related
strategies? I feel like we didn't talk about that budget at all yet, >> but like the related strategies for public health, safety, affordable housing, ecosystem that kind of we want to include those in the report. Um I don't think we should
worry about the >> well I mean I think it's relevant to mention certainly how all this is like intertwined right like it doesn't matter that I have access to food if I don't have access to healthare and vice versa and stuff like that I think it's totally appropriate in our report to acknowledge the fact that you know
>> this is this is really complicated um but I don't think we should be trying to redo anybody's work or trying to speak for them um so I think even just like yeah I mean I think it's possible to be like these these are the things that
we've identified through speaking with people with lived experience primarily through the survey or through other conversations or other research that we've done. Um and we've also these are also things that have been mentioned in the survey that we felt were outside of
our charge but are hyper relevant and that we want to like not pretend don't exist or something. Yeah, >> that's a long-winded way of I guess saying that. Well, maybe we could just maybe we could just have a a line that says basically like maybe in the presentation I could just write
something like um it's important to note that the efforts of these other commissions and efforts towards these other initiatives are also critical and while beyond the scope of the committee their
implementation will work in tandem with our recommendations. Yeah, >> I could just write that down. >> That seems good. >> Yeah. Um I guess like as some specific ideas, I'm
like, okay, the rental registry that the city is interested in doing like that creates more quality conditions for renters, the rent control ballot initiative, the affordable housing trust, like these kinds of things. And then also even so that's like in the housing world, but
then in the public health and safety like the um unarmed community responders. >> I feel like that's something that we could support as a recommendation because um it's relevant for interfacing
at camp sites, I guess. >> Yeah. [Music] >> Yeah. I think if we were going to do that, it would need to be another bullet like another another bullet point. You know what I mean? Like the zoning and ordinances,
the provisions, recommendations, the survey stuff, the fourth responder. Um, and I I I do not have that in me to do that additional bullet point. Um
but if you have been making friends on or around safety commission then maybe they could champion that possibly. No, I don't know. Is this was this something that we have like the
data and the surveys or anything to kind of help support as well? I mean like like being like and you know like and these are things that were identified in speaking with the community that like our committee >> doesn't feel like is well I don't know
that's I'm about to put my foot in my mouth. I'm trying to think of like the urgency at which we need access to food and shelter is greater than the urgency at which, you know, we want somebody to have access to government and government services without having to interface
with a police officer type thing. And and trying to like um acknowledge the benefits of of all of this stuff while also like like what what was the actual data that we did? like that like like what data do we have that we can back
like our our charge up with and you know I guess am I making sense? >> No. Yeah. Um I think that makes sense but we didn't get any but like I feel like um anecdotally people are like like for
example the warming center overflow is at the sheriff's office. It's like nobody's going to go there like just >> Yeah. Why why don't we include this as a a main pillar like
these other things but not for right now like after we've done our first recommendation around. >> Yeah, totally. I was like down to just put it under like related strategies and then but yeah, we could also just it's already I also don't want to distract
from there's already so much whatever. >> Yeah. Right. Well, and I think like you know a good chunk of this too, right, is like decriminalizing Yeah. being marginalized, right? And so like dovetailing into that very nicely is like
>> so like why why are police responsible for providing you know what I mean? Like I think I I think I just want to be clear like I think this is hyper relevant, right? I just I'm trying to figure out like how the best way to kind of discuss it and back it up and and um
and explain like what that is, what why is it important? >> Yeah, maybe it goes under the decriminalization ordinances potentially. >> I mean, I don't know. >> It could depending on how much capacity the person working on that had. >> Yeah. >> So, >> okay.
Um I wish we had I mean in the survey we did add a question like what do you wish your housing situ or your living situation was like because that was directly in response to um a common narrative that people wanted to be
homeless. So we were like >> let's actually ask people like what do you want? So, I think I'm not sure what we would have have to have asked to um to find out. >> Yeah, maybe we could do
>> Well, I don't know. I'm worried we might be getting out of the run, but we we could do a SQL survey if we wanted. >> Yeah. >> For future times when we wanted more information about things. >> So, what are you asking? Like, who's going to be if you had that, who would be policing it? I'm confused. But I
think we're just asking like what in this case we're just asking like what do people want when they are having an emergency. >> I was suggesting >> big people that are going to live there first. >> You know what I'm saying? They make that
for them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Like at the warming center, the shifts are one police for fire plus. >> I know it's going to sound bad, but there's also be at some point where there's going to have to be some type of safety measure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. For like everybody's safety that's
being there. >> Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, if we had the energy in us somewhere, uh, a a follow-up survey to be distributed at the warming centers might
be a cool thing. But I don't know, maybe we should hear from Ree before we talk more about that. >> Also, I'm seeing Yeah. Do you want to share feel free to come up? >> Yeah. Hi. Um, I'm I'm enjoying the
conversation. I I may be a little off, but not during an emergency, but my general drift from my surveys and those that I read by the library and then the overview that Reese gave was people did
not want a shelter. They was like, it please, I just want one room to sleep in with toilet facilities. But they were very, you know, when we asked the question, and you can correct me if you uh disagree, but what do you what do you
want? And they want a small room with a bed and a and and toilet facilities, but overwhelmingly the ones I read, they they do not want a shelter. And that that I mean, it's better than nowhere, I guess, but that's what they I remember
they answered that pretty pretty well. based on >> Yeah, I think that makes sense. And I think explicitly recommending continuing to pursue and redoubling our
pursuit of a housing first initiative, the city >> will be a really important part of all of our recommendations. Correct. >> Definitely. Um, I mean it's 4:35, but also
I mean it's kind of a lot of work like >> it's not like discussiony stuff. It's literally just like doing it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think I I was reminded about something just in that discussion that
like apocryphal quote that Henry Ford didn't ever actually say, but it it was the like, you know, Henry Ford said, "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster force." The idea being like the the frame of
reference that a lot of people have. And so like we have firsthand discussions and and sharing from the community through our surveys and our conversations about what our community values and what our community needs. And then we also have the research done by this committee about what other communities have done right and kind of
like you know whether it be a fourth service like nonp police executive branch whether it be like community housing or something like that that like like that this that the community committee here is really amazing because we get to kind of coales and bring those
ideas like adjacent to one another and then either make our own recommendations or at least like put it out for discussion from that. So that that kind of like as my thoughts are coalesed. Yeah. Like what our community says they want and
they need and we believe them and and whatever. And also what have we not thought about, right? And then bringing that together and making sure that we're not telling somebody what they need are also just assuming that we there isn't a better option or something. Um, do you want to share anything else?
I don't know if anything thinking any thoughts over there about any thoughts over there between those >> eyes. >> I don't know. I feel like somewhere along the line you guys should like prioritize your steps. Yeah. Like I feel
like a lot gets thrown out at the meetings and then a lot of it gets thrown to the white side. It's like >> totally >> maybe like choose your top five. These are the most important to us. >> Now, we need to get like some infrastructure. This is how we're going to build it. This is how we're going to get it done. We need to do this step to get it started. This is what we need to
attain to get to the next step and build it up. I feel like a lot of stuff just gets thrown out at the table and then it just >> goes wayside. >> What? >> Like the trash bag things we talked at like one of the first meetings I went to talked about one time and I'm pretty sure the trash bags have never you know
what I'm saying? like >> has to be consistent or else it's just going to keep piling up. the trash. The situation with that is we had a great um site visit with DPW um source to see cleanup people.
>> Tapestry bus. >> Yeah. >> Greenfield trash pickup club. And DPW is willing to do trash pickup at um what is it the site? Greenfield Gardens site the one bike path and they can drive there. We just need to like figure out how to
communicate with residents there about like putting your barrel out and timing and what is the volume that's needed. But that's the hold up. That's the bottleneck on that is like that communication. But they're willing to do it. They can't drive out for your site.
They can't drive across the field. >> No, they can drive out to the pavilion wherever. >> Yeah, they can drive. >> That's exactly what they said. So they're willing to add more barrels at the pavilion. >> Perfect. and everyone can just walk them out with their one. >> Yeah. So that So I feel like trash is
like a top priority and is solvable and just >> But where are they getting their bags from? >> Um I think that this would potentially be the cost the city eats. I don't know. I mean that didn't come up this evening,
but there >> I would imagine we would just use regular trash bags and throw them into the trash cans. That's what we've been doing. >> Yeah. Well, I know, but usually you have to do like trash. Like that's what I'm saying. Like I don't know unless you
know what I'm saying. Like I didn't know like >> that's where I was. >> Yeah. I don't know if um trash stickers would be waved or what folks want. >> Well, the barrels are public trash cans. So, >> people using the barrels, they just get
picked up with the barrels. Yeah. It wouldn't matter. Exactly. Yeah. >> Yeah. Except isn't there an ordinance that says you're not allowed to put a household trash in them or something. >> Well, there's no households. >> But but it's my point, right? We're getting back to the ordinances and stuff where it's like, right, like haha, I got you. You know, like
>> homeless. >> Well, it's that's that's an enforcement question. And currently the answer that the DPW has given us is they're willing to pick it up. >> Yes. And this is something that Max is willing to pick up and do. So not on
level sort of unemploy but not completely. >> Yay. But anyway to answer your question well it wasn't a question. To your point we did I I think we did a good job of establishing our priorities in this meeting. >> Sort of. We said all of them.
>> Yeah. >> Hey. >> Trash. I wouldn't I feel like for me a priority is the tenny home village thing because it's just like >> Yeah, >> that would be so cool. >> I agree. I guess it just seemed to me
like that was happening >> not Yeah. >> as an us thing >> as a you thing >> as a zoning thing. >> But yeah. >> Yeah. So, so, so now I think the difficult
part is finding people to take up the points that we discussed. >> Yeah. And we've got, it seems like we've got three of them, not to put words in your mouth. Reese doing the survey, me doing the presentation, you doing the
ordinance stuff. So, it's just >> I think Pamela, I would love to um sort of add you onto the resource mapping one, but if you don't, I can work on that with you if you feel
>> um we can work on that together. Yes. Or I can uh I'm not sure about the mapping. Um, but definitely uh because we keep up the resource list on a you know I look at it once a month and tweak it
>> so I can easily share it with this group. >> That'd be great. >> Gorgeous. >> So that's um okay. I mean that seems like people are on different pieces. somewhat. I don't know.
Um, yeah. Do we I mean, I don't know. It's like 4:00, so we could What else? We could take back time in our lives. >> Yeah.
Um, oh, we should figure out when we want to meet next. >> Oh, yeah. It's important, right? Everything else. Um, somebody suggest >> um, can we do the same time?
How often do we live? We do the same time in a month. Maybe in two weeks or three weeks or a month. Um, so right now it's October 30th and then a month is like Thanksgiving that like
>> we could do earlier on that week or something or is that a little people are doing stuff? >> Yeah. >> It's so hard. >> Three weeks, four weeks. >> Um, we could do the 13th or the 20th. Maybe.
Well, which one is Thanksgiving? 27th is Thanksgiving. >> 27th is Thanksgiving. >> So, yeah, maybe the 20th we could do. Same time. >> The 20th. >> Yeah, same same time. >> I could do evening, but I have a
sustainable green 4 to 5:30. >> November 20th is also the trans day of remembrance. >> Oh, that evening. Oh, this is hard. It is hard. >> Well, what about December? No, it's getting cold.
>> Always do the 21st. Right afterwards. >> 21st. >> Right after that, guys. >> If we're willing to meet on a Friday night >> or Friday afternoonish, we do this time. >> Friday the 21st. You got that available too
at four >> spirit Jake. >> Okay. At like 4 or so or what time did you start this? Oh >> 3:30. You want to say 3:30 on Friday?
>> Okay. And I will run that by our >> Is that good with you, Pamela? Make bread. >> Um, actually that's a tough day because we have a YoYo Ma concert that night and I have the farmers market the next morning.
>> Oh, that sucks. Very nice. >> Okay. >> So, just that whole day is not so good. >> No, it's it's really not. Sorry. >> Okay, that's okay. Um let's
is Monday the 21st 24th Jesus Christ >> 21st >> the 21st and 4th >> is that reasonable for folks >> um I will be at work so I would I will try and make it >> what can I just ask what everybody does
have on their schedules >> everything like is there anything that everybody might have well I can Um I can always follow up with people individually and but approximately in this time frame 3
weeks from now is what four weeks is I think >> I think the 24 send everybody else a zoom for can't van you that might make it to >> yeah can we do a doodle poll maybe >> sure >> yeah a zoom
>> that might be the easiest okay that seems good and you just Okay. So, we'll just do that. >> Then the 24th. >> Can I do what? >> I was wondering about the 24th, but we'll just figure it out.
>> Okay. I I think the 24th makes sense. >> Can you do the 24th, Camela? Nick Brad. >> Yes, I can. >> Yes. >> At the time that we said the >> So, what 3:30? >> Yes, ma'am.
>> Yep. I can make it work. >> Yay. Thank you. >> Okay. And anyone listening, don't have a medical emergency that day. >> Okay. >> Hold your cons. >> Okay.
Well, that seems fine enough. Good. Um, anything closing thoughts. >> Thank you. >> All right. >> If it was easy, somebody would have done it by now. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah. But we're uh we're doing it.
>> I am going to say that I'm very appreciative that we are all doing this. So I really thank everybody that is here and that is currently still online and that has not jumped off yet. Thank you. >> All right. Um anybody want to take a
motion? >> Close. Second. >> All in favor? >> Great. I'm gonna go turn the recording off. >> Thank you. Bye. >> Have a good night. Bye. >> Thank you. >> Enjoy. [Music]