All right, welcome to the Greenfield Human Rights Commission meeting. Today is July 14th, 2025 and we are meeting at the city hall in via Zoom. Uh, this meeting is being recorded by the Greenfield Human Rights Commission and the city of Greenfield. If anyone is present and is doing the same, please
notify the chairperson at this time. I'm not seeing none. I'm going to do a roll call of members. Kathleen present. Paul, present. Linda, present. remotely uh PY
or or remotely present depending on how you look at I didn't get her back. She called I just called her back. She didn't answer. I texted her. I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that she'll respond in a minute. So, we'll put her as a right absent for right now. So, great.
Um and I am here. So, the first thing on the agenda is we're going to approve the meeting minutes from January uh from June 9th. Maybe she's calling back. Okay. One moment. Hey, PY.
Yeah, hold on. Okay, PY, are you here? I can hear. Are you here? Can you hear me? I'm here. Okay, so Okay, we have a quorum. Perfect. All right, we're going We have a quum. All right, we're going to approve the meeting minutes from June 9th, 2025. Do
I have a uh Does anybody have any discussion before we vote on that? Everybody looked over the minutes. Everybody felt that it was fine. All right. Yes. All right. I'm going to do a roll call vote. Uh Py,
yes. Linda, here. Yes. Uh Kathleen, yes. Paul, yes. And I'm a yes. Passes. Um public, we are not having a public comment today for this meeting um due to um circumstances
that this commission has had for the past month. So there will be no public comment. Um they will be public comment resuming in August. So thank you for being here. Our new business, our first item is voting in chair, vice chair, and secretary of this commission. Um so
we're going to start with secretary of anybody interested in being secretary, please please say something at this time. Oh, I would be happy to be secretary and be as much I can support um as possible.
Okay. Works. I would I would like you job descriptions for the positions. It's hard to accept something when you don't know what the parameters are. Yeah. Um so secretary is usually the one
who writes the notes and sends them out to the commissioners. Um the vice chair is the one who helps out the chair when the chair is absent. Um and the chair is the one who's chairing the meeting and also doing the agenda. So those are
typic those are the job descriptions for that. All right. Is anybody else interested in secretary besides Kathleen? No. All right. We're gonna uh Could I have a motion to accept Kathleen as
secretary? I'll make a motion to accept Kathleen as secretary. Can I have a second? Second. All in favor? I. Any oppose? I. Any abstension? That passes unanimously. Congratulations, Kathle.
Thank you. Thank you everybody. I hope I do a good job. I'm writing quickly now. Um, is anybody interested in being vice chair? Anybody else? I'm not interested in being vice chair. I have a motion for kind of a um
different kind of scenario um being, you know, you're wonderful. Everything is wonderful um to be so positive and want to be chair. I feel like in fairness to you as a high school student, I would like to put a motion for forward to have a dual chair and instead of having just
chair and co-chair, having someone who could be like a mentor with rules and regulations and be there. I mean, you're going to be graduating and having so many big things happening in your life that we want to all be supportive and don't want it to be overwhelming or taking up your time that you can't
attend the prom or something that might be really important to you. So, I felt like nominating for instead of having a chair and co-chair sharing the chair position and I'd like to nominate that as a motion. Make that as a motion.
Make that as a motion. Would anyone like to second that? I I will second that. So, we have a motion by Kathleen and a second by Kathy. All in favor? No. discussion.
We have discussion. Sorry. Can we have a discussion? Discussion. Any thoughts on that, Paul? I think it's a great idea and thank you, Kathleen, for coming up with that idea, Linda.
Yep. I think it makes sense. Um, and it keeps it keeps the commission moving forward. Um, and it makes sure it ensures that everything will be handled um the way it's supposed to be. It'll be an education process for all of us. Um,
and uh, I think that makes sense. Do we have any other further discussion? Seeing none. Right. So, we had a motion by Kathleen and a second by Paky. All in favor? Okay. Can we? Right. We just cuz I'm writing it.
Yeah. The motion is to have co-chairs. I Is it for this year or in general? Okay. I I would think
Sorry, I lost I lost about a minute and a half. I would think it would be this year because every year you let something you elect someone different. So I would think it would be just for because the motions are really legal things here. So for the year
for the year if you would you could choose to make a permanent motion but I think that um if you want to amend the motion to say for this year we are nominating co-chairs
that would make sure that next year if you wanted to revisit it you could do it that way. So, you could amend the motion. Um, yeah. And that should clear up any ask her. Is it okay to
Is it okay to amend the Yes, it's a friendly amendment. Yes. No, that's what it's called. A friendly amendment. Okay. I love it. All right. So, let's do it again. So, we had a motion by Kathleen and a second by
Paky. All in favor? I I pass unanously. Um I'm just going to say something not to get into this. I think we have to do a real roll call vote because we have
part of the um group is remote. Okay. That's new. I didn't know that. Yeah, I'm correct. I'm correct, Erin. Right. On anything, any meeting where there's a hybrid and people are remote instead of doing it by show of hands. That's what we do at city council. Isn't
that correct? I'm not 100% sure on those rules, but I'm going to defer to you just to be on the safe side. Rule is always 95% sure I'm right. I don't usually I didn't want to interfere actually. Sorry. Sorry, everybody. No, don't be. I think it's better to
overdo than underdo. The motion was on the table by Kathleen. It was second by Py. So, we're going to do a roll call vote. Linda, yes. Kathleen, yes. Paul, yes. Py,
yes. And I am a yes. That passes. All right. So, who will be our co-chairs? Who will be interested in being co-chairs? I am interested in being a co-chair.
Anybody else interested? I would be interested in being a co-chair. Do we have any discussion about anybody? Anybody else interested? No. Any discussion? I I have a discussion.
I'm interested solely if you are the main chair that is if somebody I I has to go to another meeting to city council you would be the main voice. I would be
there with you but you would be the main voice. Running meeting I have no need to run meetings but I can assist in running meetings. I appreciate that. And but I would really
I wanted to be co Yeah. But I really would like you to be the main let let me join in this kind of this discussion now please. Um I Nate your
your your big commitment your primary job right now is being a senior in high school. And do you think that that going to these different meetings representing us or you could you could choose or ask any
other member of the committee to represent the the human rights committee commission at other meetings. Uh so that I I mean I don't want to put more on you than you need. Yeah. I I don't I I don't I don't mind
other people representing the commission at any meetings because that is basically what we are and I feel like that's kind of how we get our voices heard. That's actually how we actually can recruit more members actually to be honest with you is going to other events and representing ourselves and as your
co-chair I am making my calendar open for you guys personally. Um and so I'm willing to do anything. I'm willing to work with anybody. And so, and I know senior in high school, it's a big thing, right? But,
um, somebody has to represent the community, somebody has to represent the the, uh, students of color and the people of color in Greenfield. And I'm ready to step up to the plate. Um, and I appreciate your generosity and I appreciate Paul helping me out because
I'm telling you right now, I was a little scared. I was a little nervous coming into this meeting this morning. So, I really appreciate you. Um, so, uh, so now we're nervous together. We're nervous together. So, it works. So, we're all nervous together. It's great. All right. So, can I have a
motion? Any other Sorry. Any other further discussion, by the way? No. All right. Can I have a motion? I I can't make it. You can't make it. Kathy, I make a motion. I make the motion. Okay. Kathy makes a motion. A second.
I second. Uh, Kathleen second. All right. We're going to do a roll call vote of all members. Uh Kathy, I Yes. Linda. Okay. Am am I seconding the fact that we're going to have a co-chair or am I seconding the fact that
No, we've already had that vote that it would be two of us Thank you. would be co-chairs. Thank you. I second the motion. I second it. I approve. Yes. Okay, Kathleen. Yes, I approve. Yes.
And I'm a yes. Discussion that passes unan. Perfect. We got all that stuff done, everyone. Perfect. Congratulations. Congratulations, Nate and Paul. Nate, as always, I know I tell you this
all the time. I'm so proud of you and I'm thankful that you were vulnerable enough to with the group to say you were a little nervous. Paul, I'm thankful that you were also vulnerable to say you were a little nervous and also your willingness to work together.
You guys are going to do great. I'm very proud of you guys. Good work. Section before item two. No, but I'm nervous, too. That's why. I don't have to be nervous. This is
great. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. Py is congratulating us. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So, item two is we're going to do updates from the mayor's office. If you have any updates from the mayor's office uh at this time,
I'm I'm going to let Erin speak after me, but I try to go to all of the meetings like the like at least once, parking commission, um you know, zoning board of appeals, local cultural council, whatever. And this just I'm proud of all of you. this
just felt like a good time to come to to to be at this particular meeting. So again, thank you everybody for stepping up and for all of the good work that you've been doing all along. You're this is a great a great commission. So thank you. And I don't know if Aaron had
anything else. I just was here just to be say well at this point we don't have any updates from officers. Okay. So then we have a thank you mayor disorder for your time and good words
goods. Um so thank you and we thank you for what you do every day for the city as well. Okay so item three is we're going to make a date for Wendy Goodman's HRC engraving. Um so as you know that
today was supposed to be the ceremony for her graving yeah engraving for um her award but since due to complications we are going to find a date now I don't want the date to be longer than September because we have already had it
move it to us. So, um, if we have a date in mind, if anybody wants to go ahead and look at their phone, um, and find a date maybe in August or even in September that makes the time that it could be during a meeting, it could be a week before
meeting um, as long as we have it um, set today, tonight, so that when I email her next week, we have a date and time for her to um, bring her and her family to the engraving, but it's going to take place here at
city hall in the early evening. Yes. And we I will be working me, Paul, and Aaron will be working to get the engraving um and so that we can put it in the um on the wall. So, um
do we know how long that will take? Any idea from the moment we asked for it be engraved? Yeah, I if we how long it actually takes to get it done. If we if we if we pick the date today
and we had a meeting like next week and order it next week, we should be good for the engraving. But we still it generally takes two to three weeks to get the engraving done. And I am sending Paul and Nate the name of the engraver
that was used last year um right now. So you'll have that email address and you guys can reach out to him or them. I don't know who it is. Okay. um ASAP. Thank you. So So um Erin send that out to us. So when we pick the date today,
tomorrow morning um either Paul and I can email that person um and we will actually when we email them, everybody's email will be attached to it so that you guys can be in the loop as well. Okay. How about this? Can I recommend the
second the second Monday in September? It's our regular meeting date and it's after Labor Day. Okay. So, let me So, we're looking at September 8th. September 8th. All right.
And we could do it at 5:30. Yeah, I would say 5:30. Okay. I just think August and Oh, I'm sorry. August right around the corner. It's right around the corner. In between vacations, everybody in the engraver and people aren't around. I feel like September is a better. Do you feel that
September 8th um at 5:30 works for everybody? Okay. So, we will do it then. September 8th at 5:30. We don't have to. Can you be there? Mhm. Good. I'm just putting that on. Yeah. All right. So,
I was here the last time, I think. I You were I took pictures of you. So, our HRC grading ceremony is September 8th at 5:30 here at the city hall. Right. And then we'll just continue on at 6:30. Are we inviting Wendy?
Yes. And her family. Okay. I don't So, I don't think we're going to I don't think we're going to have a meeting that day. Oh, I mean I we can if we want, but if it starts at 5:30 and we're not done by 6. Um, we'll be done.
10 10 minutes. Oh, it takes time. 15 minutes left. Yeah. Okay. So, we will have to still have a regular meeting and Okay. Perfect. Yeah, it's pretty quick. All right. I'll bring lollipops, please. Yeah, I'll bring juice or something. I don't know. We'll figure it out.
Maybe we can. All right. So, September 8th, 2025 at 5:30. Got that. All right. Yes, Paul. I've had a request. When I say I, I got a text with a request from Linda
and from Py that they can't stay on long. Okay. And the things that we have to vote on they would like to do now. Okay. So, we have moving we have to move. Are we allowed to do that? Yes. We don't have to we don't have to vote
on that. No. No. I am going to interrupt. I am I am gonna interrupt for a minute because I see that Anthony logged on and Anthony often records meetings. So I wanted to ask if he's planning on recording. Anthony, are you recording?
I'm not I'm not recording. No. Thank you. Hi Anthony. Open Anthony. All right. So we are going to move around a little bit on the agenda. So please thank you. Thank you for letting me know that. I appreciate the accommodation.
You're welcome. Um, so we are going to look at um we're going to look at our HRC awards process and vote like we have to vote on that so we know what we're so we press release. So um everybody should have that in your
documents today. Um so um we have the nomination papers here that states what we are going to talk what we're going to have um it says you know email where to mail it to your application to um or hand it to the
person. and it has your name um you know the name of nominee the name who's filling it out street address city zip code all of that relationship and a cover sheet has any has everybody been able to look at the process yes
yeah to look at the process have you been able to look at the process okay yes I've been able to look at the process the only I make a motion that we pass this does anybody Anybody second that? I second.
Now it's discuss. Is there any present discussion? No, it looks great. Okay. And we're going to do a roll call vote. All right. Linda, yes. Jackie, yes. Kathleen, yes.
Paul, yes. And I'm a yes. That passes unanimously. So, the process of the HRC has passed. um that will be um starting applications will be starting August. I have to look at it carefully, but yes.
I don't want to say absolutely yes without it in front of me, but if you look on there, it the applications would start. Yes, they have to start in August because we need September and October to uh get right. All right. So our next item on voting is
I believe the um singlepayer healthcare and everybody has had their time to waver it. I do have some comments about it because okay first procedure
comments or what's next? I make the motion to vote on the single table. Are there any comments? Part of this meeting. Oh, we need a second. Second. I'll second it. Okay. And I have a discussion. I just
want to make sure that we all understand what we're passing right now. Yes. Okay. Want to make sure that we all understand what we're really passing right now. Um I am I've sat I've looked I have looked at
other cities. we have a similar process to this. Um so it says that 50% plus over half personal bankruptcy in United in the US results in health issues which is in many cases lead to homeless. Okay.
Um so um I just wanted to make sure that is that accurate to Greenfield or is that just the US population? That is US population. Okay. I just I just worry that I understand it's a US population was did
we find the percentage of homeless illness and fields? No. In other words, what was I have to raise my hand. Yes. You don't have to. No, I do. I do. um so that people don't
talk over the whole introductory part about homelessness was this was one of the issues that singlepayer healthc care is about and we
at the time we were talking about homelessness and so this introduction was not for the city council and was not for the mayor but was for us why we would want to pass
why we would want to put this forward if we were thinking about homelessness. We could have put it forward just saying it works for every citizen including the homeless population. So the introduction
on this was was to say that it applies to homeless people as well as the rest of the city's population. As a matter of fact, it is
if if you read the I I put a a big research paper on there that showed how much it affects the homeless people and and suggested people read it. Uh and so it affects the homeless
population actually more than the general population. And so the only statistics that were there was just to show that it's not just going to affect the rich people in Greenfield or the housed people in
Greenfield. It's also going to affect the homeless population. It is not the thing. And I actually went after our last meeting and spoke to the people who are on the homeless committee who have been collecting information and they say
that indeed that's not the first thing on the mind of homeless people getting a house being fed etc. But once they get sick it exacerbates their life so bad.
And so I'm just saying why we haven't looked at Greenfield. This is a a resolution given where the human rights commission that if you want to look at the 1948 human rights commission
international health is a major part of that. And so we're just suggesting that as the Human Rights Commission, this is going to help everybody in Greenfield, everybody in Massachusetts,
everybody in the United States, and we just want to get um Well, and I just had something to add, and I think it's part of the discussion, and this just really sticks out to me, and again, this is hypothetical. Let's just say that the city's saving I don't
know how many millions of dollars. $3 million. No, it's more, right? But I'm just saying hypothetical. Let's just say it's a $3 million budget. And we know it's more. Think of what the city may be able to do with that money. Whether it's cleaning litter, whether
it's giving money to help with housing for the homeless, whether it's building something. I mean, I'm not a city manager by any stretch of the imagination, but my point is, you know, if you can save the city that kind of money and put it towards things that the
city needs, I mean, it would just be an amazing amazing It says thing to do. Sorry. It says Greenfield would save between 4 and6 million this year and receive needed healthcare. Um,
does does the mayor in this in the office does the does the city does the mayor have any comments? Do you have any It's higher than that actually. The cost the cost from the city for health insurance. It we we ran the numbers. We got them
from your We got them from uh your budget director who um finance director and we ran the numbers and for 2024, right? That's the numbers you have. It's 4.8 million, right?
And that's why I put the 6 million in there is Erin gave me the increase in health care cost. So for for for the real numbers, it's going to be much closer to $6 million,
right? Okay. Um, so do we motion? I want to make sure. Do we have any other discussion before we vote on this? I want to make sure
I just don't know if she can hear this. is out on a cruise boat doing this with us. there. So, actually I'm on Yeah, I'm with my family daughter harbor and so it's a little noisy, but
I'm with you and and I so appreciate what you what you've done, Paul. I can't appreciate I'm still here. So, go ahead. Okay, we just want Nate was just asking is there more discussion that you have on this
before we vote? Okay. Um, any other discussion before I say one more thing? No. Then do you have any other things to say? You're good. We're just making sure you can hear us, Linda.
I can hear you. I'm sorry if you can't hear me. Okay. Um, I wish you were I think we also need somewhat need to understand that it's not like we're getting the city's gonna have $6 million
in the next fiscal year. Th this is this is a long slog. This is a long a long slog and a very powerful healthc care um health insurance you know lobby um you know to to try to try to change
these things. Thank you. But our point but our point is that as as a collective from city to city to city how important it is that communities in Western Mass are part of this initiative understanding the impact
not only to um the general population but also to the homeless. Thank you. And and I guess my last comment is the people who have and we have massive statistics on this. The
people who get the worst part of our healthcare are the folks in the country. I'm not even close. Let's actually say that. Um I did a like I said I did a bunch of research about this. You guys know um I wasn't all for it. I'm going be honest with you. And I
did research. I talked to my family. I talked to people all over our city and they've, you know, they said, "Mate, this is what's going on. I don't know what I could do." And especially with that was just passed by our president.
So, so all right. So, our motion was by Kathleen and our second was by Linda. I'm going to do a roll call vote. Okay. So, Linda, yes. Kathy, yes.
Kathleen, yes. Paul, yes. Yeah. And I am a yes. Any abstension? That passes. Perfect guys. Good job. We made that. Good. All right. Is there anything else that needs to be voted on this even?
I don't think that we have anything else that needs to be voted on. Everything else is just for discussion. Okay. So, I am going to go on vacation again. a lot. Thank you all.
I I promise to see in person next month. Yeah, we'll see you next month. I'll see you all in in August. Rest of your trip and and stay out and and stay out of trouble. Well, thank you. We'll try to
Thank you. Bye. Have fun. All right. So, so great. That was all right. So, we we voted on our um let me get my papers back in order. So, we voted on the award
uh process and the discussion for the uh health singlepayer healthcare. So, our next topic on the agenda is to uh the t-shirts logo project was tabled in May and in June and we are now talking about
it now at today's meeting. So um let's talk about that. So we really want to have collaboration with the um schools and so we are going to be doing it through Greenfield public schools I believe or is the schools all over Franklin County
I think because we're a commission and you have to live in Greenfield part of the commission. Keep it that way. That's just you would either be and and um I'm going to defer to the mayor on this one. You either have have to be a resident of
Greenfield or a student in Greenfield because we to just be part of the logo contest. Okay. Um you're you're asking that. Yeah. you know how
it's not a big deal here this is because I would like students who are attending Greenfield schools yes who don't live here to be able to enter this so so when we do I I would just say the one thing that I actually know about this because I don't know the answer
specifically to this I just want to say that but I know with the local cultural council or when there are something where we're going to um you know the sidewalk story we had artists. You can put that out to local artists. They did
not, it was not a requirement, right, that it be somebody that lived in Greenfield. So, we got some different talented local folks and that would be what what I would think, but having seen that in another um you know, in another local commission, that's what they did.
They didn't have just filled residents and they do that. It's not just the local council council. It's the what's the other name of the cultural c? It's the local and the what's the second one? Crossroads. The crossroads crossroads. So sometimes you don't you know we might
have that talent pool from within but if you like so that's my that's as much as I know. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate your input. So so it's going to be open to anybody any Greenfield student in Greenfield. We're going to probably I
was thinking middle school. I was thinking elementary school to high school. Um it doesn't matter if they're kindergarteners when they want to try it. Let them try it. You know, that's sometimes it's amazing how you can get an 8-year-old that's so talented and innovative. Like you just never know,
right? We're going to be the ones wearing it. I have no problem with it. So, I know last last uh when we talked about it in June, we talked about um the prize. Um, so we had Paul had the discussion of having a
money prize and Kathleen had the discussion about having it be a gift card prize. So I really want to focus on what type of prize we're going to be doing it and when we're really going to start this because school starts next month. So are we starting this later in
the year um like in October going into Thanksgiving? Are we going to be starting it next year? What what do we what do we think we want to do? I'd like to start it earlier than later just because everything moves a little
slow. So, I'd like to see if we could get it out, you know, in before the end of September and make it like a fun fall thing. And, you know, we can call some contacts. You have some, I have some. I'm sure Paul has some. Get all the schools on board. And
I was thinking that Um, and school starts the last week in August if I'm not mistaken. Yes. The 27. Um, I was thinking that either me or me, Paul, and you can go meet with Mr. Joy, who's the interim superintendent,
right? and tell them, hey, like how he wants us and if this can this be like a month event where students we collect their art and we pick whichever one and whoever wins is the one that goes on the shirt kind
of a thing. And I think like talking to the art teacher and if I'm not mistaken like there's one in the high school, one in the middle school and the one in the elementary travels. So well Mr. Green is at the middle school, right? Mr. Kun is at the high school. I don't know who's at the elementary school. I
haven't been at elementary school in years. She was really nice and it'll come to me, but I believe she's the same one for all of them. But so, but like I said, um I can email Mr. Joy and at that meeting we can ask if we can have the art teacher be sure to discuss
further instructions and they can even have that be part of their curriculum, right? Like, hey, this is a project that if you guys are interested, let me know. I'll take the art and then we can collect them from each from each teacher. Does that sound good? Because it's like a good project. It's a good beginning of the year project,
right? People might be really happy about that. It it does, but we need just as we did with these other documents, we need to give clear parameters, right? U we need to describe what the commission is so that students
can imagine it should intersect with these things. And we and especially for elementary students, right? We we need to um interpret the words of obviously not for
the middle and high school students. They understand what our role is, but for elementary school students, we're going to need to do some elementary school interpretation. Yes, of course. For them. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. So, this is going to take some writing and thinking,
right? Um, and who would be willing to write the proposal? Um, do you think we should make a subcommittee for that? No, we never have subcommittees. We can have a working because if we have a subcommittee, it
has to fit all the open meetings. Yeah. So, does anybody want to take charge of making proposal and it can we can also help? Um, I don't know if you might want to do it, Kathleen. Um, if not, well, I would like to see the working
group meet in August. So, sure, I can start a working group. Okay. Email everybody and see because now Wind and Pack, you know, aren't here, right? You're going to have to ask. So, I'll have to put it out. I would be willing to work on on your group, but we can't have
four. We can't have four people. So it's three at a time. Yes. Yeah. And that would be part of the the community project. Okay. Yeah. So So we're really and anything we do comes here and gets
looked at and voted on and with a notice on the agenda it says. Right. Yes. Yep. So right. Um and so how are we going to do the prize? cuz I personally think um we also I think about this right we
have HRC award that's going to be happening in December like we only have $500 in our budget. I want to make sure that we are yes using it wisely because I also have an idea of other I have also have an idea for other things that I'm
going to talk about when we talk about tableing materials have other um ideas in my brain. Um, so I want if we do cash fries, I want to make sure that it's limited. Maybe 20 bucks. You can't go over 50 because then we'll be in conflict of interest. Yeah.
So, um, if we do cash 20 bucks. Well, it would be the same if we do a card. If we do a card, too. So, do we want to do cash or card? Well, think I just wanted to speak I just wanted to speak for you. Um, because you said last time I thought it
was a good idea that we can also ask if people would contribute so we don't have to use right. I said I was a gift card. We don't have to do that. No. And that would allow us to be a little more money, which should be outrageous, but it would allow us to be a little more
money if a number of people. And I think like featuring this is just again my opinion. Something like ice cream alley and getting a $20. Everybody loves to go there. It's a little pricey, but I shouldn't be going there, but I I have I think I saw you walking over one night. Yeah, I've been there.
I'm like, I think I see Paul. I'm like, there's Paul. So, I'd like to like I would contribute a $20 gift card to Ice Cream Alley. So maybe someone wants to do with 10 to village like you know what I mean? You can't get a whole picture. I was thinking like do 20 for
um the first prize winner and then 10 for the second and then five for the third so that or if we want or we do we want to have a first second and third is that a good thing. Well, I
think the thing about that, and this is just playing the devil's advocate, is I don't know where second and third comes in, like they're not going to get printed. I think like I I don't know if that in this case is really like fair.
Yeah. Okay. So, we'll do this. And I don't have a problem with a gift card. Yeah, that's a gift. My thing is I just having worked in middle schools and high schools for 46 years
I I just really want to treat students skills as a real thing. We're not just saying this is going to be the logo for this commission for a long time probably. Yeah. And it will be in public and etc. And
we're gonna have to probably even run it by the mayor because it's such a public thing that um that it whether it's a gift card or cash, we're basically saying, you know, it
you're going to have an additional 50 bucks in your pocket kind of thing. And you are an artist, right? And I also think we also have to figure out like how we're going to them. Like is there going to be like a like a night where we you know share
everybody's art show and then we pick one. I don't something like that that we can discuss that at the August meeting. I just wanted to get a feel of what everybody was thinking for this meeting and when we have everybody on in August we can disc
and we I and we also should discuss whether or not we want to invite to be part of the selection committee um one or two artists yeah Mr. Coun is at the high school.
He's a famous uh pottery. He does really good pottery. I'm just saying but I'm saying like he he you know he sells like potteries for over thousands of Right. That's exactly the point is yes I have photography shows
but I am not a professional artist. I know that. That's great. And uh just had one recently at the live. Oh the um but my point is exactly that I would like a professional's view of is this and and there's people who really
know logos too. Yes. And we can ask around about that. Yeah. I agree. Looks like Erin wants to say something. Um I am wondering I do not believe we have a quorum any longer.
No, no, we do because we still have a majority. There's three. We still have the majority because there's three out of five. So, we're good on a quorum, I think. Right. Or the mayor. You're shaking your head. No. Is that incorrect? I'm shaking my head
again. I did actually look up the other thing that I just shook my head on. The number of people that you have on the board is nine. Right. Because we have it's supposed to be four, right? We don't have them filled. There hasn't been nine in forever. It's so which is bears a good topic. Okay, it
says nine on this and I've had this happen with disability access commission. I had to reduce our number. I reduced the number when I was on disability access. I reduced the number because actually a quorum is the majority of the number of people that
you have on the board of the positions listed. So five is a quorum. The mayor can at any time and I've sat in help to make up the quorum. But with the four of us now there's four. That would do it. No. Oh no. And it would need five.
We could have had one person leave which begs another. So one So we can't vote then either. No. You did all the voting things already. That's No, but I'm saying Oh, because we had five. You had you did all of your things. You got the five. Did all of your voting and I'm not trying to stifle this by any
matter of means, but that is the case. And it may be because the city council is going through the whole code right now, right? It may be that I this is just my opinion unsolicited. Nine is a lot of people to
get for a commission. We should go down to seven. I Yeah. And you'd have to do that's a that is a total something that you should vote. Yeah. I I was actually that's was what was my topic when I met my table and your budget topics because I looked at
it and this commission has not had nine people since like 2013, right? So, um yeah, disability access we put to five. We actually put alternates on it in case you wanted like we're certainly there's no way that we're trying to limit public participation. Great.
There are hundreds of boards on this and many people serve on two things. Correct. But if you haven't had the number, you may even want to go small. That odd has to be an odd number. Yes, you you may want to go to seven. Then four's four is a quorum.
You may want to go to five. It's up to the group, but that's a thought and it should be something you talk about. How does it happen? It happens by it going to ANO appointments and ordinances. Right now they are reviewing
all the entire code and this is in the code. It's in chapter 136. So you'd you would request of councelor um you know well councel gold is the is definitely the chair of that commission request to reduce the number to change this
right and then you should decide whether you want it to be seven or five. And I think we should I think if we decide to do it, I think we should leave it to seven because I know we're trying to get I know we're trying to get Absolutely. So
and we can and we can vote on that at the August meeting. Can we make that an agenda item for stands for Can you write that down? Appointments and and you can be I would give her a heads up now. You know her. I would give her a heads up. Who is this? Katherine Golib.
Oh yeah. If you give her a heads up. Absolutely. That at the August meeting, you're going to put that on the agenda and be voting on it. Okay. And then it will be in progress and she'll help with the writing. You just have to say what you would be the
best thing. But with that note, um I just that you should no longer have a legal forum. In actuality, we can't even meet once your quorum leaves the meeting. This is correct. The meeting is over. But just I was looking up on I was
looking up to find out how many people you had for what reason to see about appointments when I realized that we have nine. It's nine and in in actuality our meeting we can talk because there's only three of us. But you should adjourn.
But we have to adjourn the meeting. I would adjourn the meeting. All right. Thank you for the clarification, mayor. I was um actually completely wrong. I thought it was a number of on the committee, not number of seats available. So, I appreciate the other thing I did check while we were
talking just in case you have a hybrid. Again, I I didn't mean to get into your meeting. I just came to be supportive, but we do need hybrid votes. We do need roll call votes when anybody is participating remotely. That is the That's great to know. Just a good just beginning.
I I sit in on other committees and I will tell them that. Yes. And so when it's when if you're all in person, you can just say I. So we should probably um before we adjourn we post it online. Would we do the adjourn time now?
Yes. Um so all this is still being recorded and etc. So all right. So can I have a motion to adjourn the meeting? Motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? I. All right. And the meeting has been
adjourned at 6:53 p.m.