good to have a lot of help around the table I'm sure so the meeting is called to order at 5:30 this meeting is being recorded by the agricultural commission if any other persons present are doing the same you
must notify the chairperson at this time and I have we have someone on Zoom with us hamila Goodwin from Greenfield good evening hello um and we have Sid Sid St John yes
okay fromen we have person here in person yes I hope so all right so yes I hope well yeah did you buy a W for me yes I did yes okay all right then here we go yeah so the RO so we're called to
order the rooll call of members um uh Greg cwar here Denise Leonard here Dave David Johnson Elizabeth net here all are present we have a
quorum which is good because we meet tonight because we have two things to vote on very good all right so public comment no discussion or comments will be entertained unless requested upon by the chairperson of the board of committee um now what we're going to do is we're going to have the Min we meet
every other month so to catch us up because it's already been two months um we're going to have the clerk read the minutes and refresh our memory so here we go agricultural commission city of greenvi Massachusetts December 4
2024 meeting notes Elizabeth nett Dave Johnson Denise Leonard mayor Virginia disor dis disor and Greg towar meeting called in to
order 536 on 12 5:36 p.m. on 12424 Virginia started record recording on Zoom for public viewing roll call attending meeting Elizabeth net Dave Johnson Greg cwar and Denise Leonard
public comment statement made by Elizabeth no discussion or comments will be entertained unless requested upon by the chairperson of of the board or committee Greg CW reads October 2nd
meeting minutes accepted by a committee motion to change agenda order accepted by a committee citizen petition requesting change in chicken rooster keeping ordinance Janette Washington and Carol
levanduski were our guests I should have put that on there um regard starting 452 Davis Street Greenfield Massachusetts they stated they had seven hens and two banam roosters property is 10 acres total
three acres of parsonage s Acres of church and parking mayor stated Parcels are not to be combined Farm Bureau says that this is a sensitive subject Statewide city council meeting to decide
on this petition for coming 12102 24 6: p.m. City economic hearing um there are lots of roosters currently in our area so this petition will affect many people in Greenfield Right to Farm signs Elizabeth
spoke with Glenn at DPW need three signs with Hardware DPW also needs a map of proposed sign locations for installation conver ation on combining of farms
um tabling attending meeting I have no idea why I put that there but it was in my not um tabling education and support uh mayor stated she attended this meeting to support the AG commission through rooster uh through
rooster issue mayor suggested that we attend other meetings on rooster issue as individuals not as Commission new city Li Asian for this committee to be Aaron anhol meeting adjourned at 6:36
pm. thank you um so do I make a motion now I'm never good this uh can I make a motion you want to make a motion accept the minutes accept the minutes okay somebody has to second I we okay good minutes accepted no we have to vote we have to
vote very good form guys yeah you run it well all the open meeting L well you know what it is everybody everybody pitches in and helps so let's vote uh let's vote to accept the minutes in favor I'm in favor you say all in favor
say I all in favor say IED posed no okay um so this meeting um but I'd like to do have Sid here and I have camela
Goodwin from Greenfield that I know of that is attending um I really like to include the public of course U I think it's really important because that's why we're here so our first agenda is the
right to farm signs okay so take a look if you haven't had a chance at the price which is new and different because we're going to have three
signs we're not going to have four because we already got one up and uh we want to get this rolling here you go just out of curiosity you have that I have an extra one all right so this is the cost
current invoice and purchase contract as well um for three signs it includ L all the hardware three signs that match the one we have already have down at The Rotary M we all agreed
on that few months ago um we're going to keep that sign um we're going to keep the hardware because DPW requested that we keep the hardware so I'm ordered the hardware okay they're going to do the
um the the mass safe the mass safe thing that they do Dave you probably know about that regarding I'm not sure what where you're going I'm going there there's a there's a mass dig dig safe oh I know I for all the proposed locations
you'll have they'll do Dig Safe for each of them exactly thank you yeah um Dig Safe okay this is what happens after two months you're like Dig Safe so they're going to do Dig Safe they're going to cover that for us had a conversation with him I have a sense of where the
signs cannot go and where they can go and what they can do remembering we're working with rof five and we're working with 2A and remembering that this is a city this is not Sunderland where we can place signs
beautifully so we have to work with what we've got so here we've got it with delivery they're going to deliver to DPW so this is all in one shot mhm all in one package deal very nice so as you
look through the numbers you take look um it's po very expensive yeah they are they are but they've they've asked DPW has asked for the post and Hardware there and be delivered so I
just Ben post is a lot less expensive proba the only game in town right so yeah so that's that's what we're doing we're going to move this forward Jenny can accepted or whatever she needs to do may have disor MH um so this seemed like
the right way to do it so here we go on down the line uh delivery is 25 Etc the bolts you know the uh uprights uh I know we we are all farmers of one sort or another we have our own
way of farming and doing things but we're doing this for the city so that's why I know how I keep my chickens I don't have any anymore but I know how I would if did yeah um so the Bal so the total contract is
$1,220 50 okay okay to get it all in safely so I so that's what we've got with the required deposit and then the final balance it looks like 2/3 and 1/3 I didn't do ma but I rounded off so
um so not I'm not always sure the order of things but what I want to do is have a discussion on this if that comes first all right so let's have a little discussion because we've got some agenda to cover how are we feeling about this I
think we should go ahead okay so you're a go all right how do you feel about it Dave you still reading I'm fine with it still we're looking at an April or May installation yeah oh yeah I mean we are but time goes fast so we want to get it rolling and
get it off the agenda and get it moving and get jinny to um have time to to work with it and you know anyone else is here to help us yeah we are but it will be there because our next meeting is in
April so what do you so let me know what how you feel when you feeling like you wanna okay all right I'm fine with that I'm happy with this number I don't you know I see I see it as a fine way to
do it um what do you think gr okay good okay so oh right and all in favor of accepting this purchase contract to be sent on to the Bayer one question yes who signs for the right to
farm commission is the mayor yes okay yeah I do have a quick question do you have um tenative locations in mind for the sign yes we're going to discuss that next oh perfect okay all right we do I I just they're all going
to be in front of my farm oh really I was hoping we would be able be able when we got to that intersection to take a right on Adams Road instead of a left on two way but I couldn't get them to agree to yeah so that being
s all right so all in favor of accepting this to move on to the mayor um say I Greg are you in favor of moving on I I okay so unanimous so I'll bring this to her and
make note of your approval for it and then um right when I get the response I'll just email you letting you know that good thank you um so that that takes care of that thank you everyone and I'm just giving you this it's it's
just little information but it's nice to know absolutely so I don't know how long it's been since there hav't been right to farm signs at the major entries to our we never had did we just add that one down there youever had the one yeah Denise has been here like 10 times as
long as I somebody's emailing me something all right very good that's f one down okay so I'm GNA have public comment and we have Anthony we have good we have Pamela and Anthony and we have
Sydney and if you could if you have a comment to make about purchasing these signs can you share that with us now Pamela no mine is on the other issue on the agenda okay thank you
Anthony uh nope I'm just here to observe thank you I'm happy to have you both here so Sid what do you think seems wonderful excited to hear gu all all is good so this is done now the next thing
we have to do is the placement of three signs so I sort of gave everyone a heads up by email that we were going to do that tonight so yeah as I drive up route five
to go to the bakery I noticed the right to time sign at the bernon line be really nice to put ours on the other side as you come into green Feld a like okay that may not be a possibility I don't think it will be so where do you
want Bern get it there though so where do where do you want to start do you want to start at the Bernardston line on route five I think that would be nice to have our goes into let's start there and if we can't put it there move it we can't put it there when
I went to the um DPW I saw the one of the engineers I can't remember his name but I saw him Glenn thank you I saw Glenn he came right up very good had a wonderful you know meeting yeah and apparently on route five I
think Dave was saying this correct me if I'm wrong but the state owns on route five from bernston coming into town the state owns all the way to almost the intersection of Silver Street
that's what I was told yes wow that's what I was told I'm going to go back to DPW anyone is welcome to come with me to bring this information to them because they want to know where we want them but it's more
where can we put them right so that's what he said so think about that location pop it up on your map um I'm I'm going to say I'd like to have it as close to the Town Line the state and
the town as is possible it's a very frowed situation the the simple point we could all do who plows bernon Road well they told me they didn't tell me who plowed it they well that would be
who that would be who's in charge of it right well they told me who where the state line right well I know where the state line is going into bernon yeah coming back into Greenfield wherever the state is maintaining the road and plowing which
is right right which is the criteria I think I I said it way back we got to make sure we're going to the right agency to put in the signs and if we want to have it only if we want to have it where bernon road is is being
maintained by this city right right that isn't much of it so no there's not much of it um so what I'm what I'm saying is I I can take this information back to the engineers or you know down there and
give it to them and say this is what we have discussed we don't have to vote on it tonight if you don't want to um but this is what we because it we can't get the signs in anyway but if somebody wants to come along please let me know
because there's something that Dave has to say that you might want to interject when we're talking they have to do is tell us who in charge yeah he told of bernon road from the bernardon
line I I would guess at least to where route two meets and probably as far as four corner school yeah it it's somewhere there it's close to Fed it's close to Silver Street that's that would be and the engineer yeah was the one who told me that the
DPW engineer came up and told me that yes so I would suggest that what we do is get them as close to the Town Line as we can that's what I want under where it's under yes coming coming in I also want
to make sure that Dave has his um question answered about the plowing because we've talked about that for I don't know how long well plowing and maintenance determines who's doing it I mean well they're doing it they're doing it the
state no the town is putting in the signs no no who plows and maintains oh I didn't ask who plowed and maintained I that that would be who's in charge of that section of Road okay I mean I didn't ask I was over simplifying it but
it would seem to me and I wish I knew the answer but I really don't far down Route bernon Road does the state plow come and how far down bernon Road does the maintenance grew in the
summer so what uh my suggestion is I got the information you know from the engineer and that's where I came up with that determination um there's another part of the question
so I would suggest if you want to to go down to DPW and ask them that then we would have the answer you know because we're not going to vote on this tonight if we don't have something I can give them yeah there's a vernacular term called a
pissing contest and I I don't know Nei neither one of the agencies State or the city yeah want to give up their their power or their understood and that is the
issue if we go up to the north end of town and have the DPW put in a sign and it's State Road they're not going to do that well they're not going to do it but the state is going to go ballistic for someone overstepping
bounds well I will go back I'll tell you what I'll do I'll go back and I'll talk to the engineers again and make sure that things are clear where the line is between the state and almost think and I God I don't like saying it the state may
control it right down to four corners at the at the lights I think that might be and it's right around that area that right where Corners at okay we're Federal Street and Silver Street mean there's a school Corner School okay I
didn't know that's school yeah okay all right so I will go back and say this is what we proposed but we haven't voted on it yet because we need to vote on it according to the Google Maps City Property goes all the way to the two I mean so far as what they show as City
maintained property all the way to rout find that and that's still only a couple hundred yards M from the school yes so anyway so that's now there is another little section it says on the other side but it's kind of like an island it's
marked as City established maintained so my guess is they're plowing those roads that are in there those little residential roads uh probably with the side streets yeah yeah okay so there's one were we going
to do there's one now the one on the other end of this so we're not I'm by the bridge we're not too much in agreement I mean we've got some questions so let's leave that um and I I want people to go to DPW and get the
information themselves rather than you know I mean I'll go but if somebody would come or call or just do their own visit it be good so we're gonna go all the way down through town and now cheeps side Bridge yeah now we're gonna go down
there so there's the bridge right and I and again Green Field it's Greenfield and he told me the engineer this is all what the engineer told me mhm when when you go over that bridge you know we know Deerfield Greenfield
that's where it is and as you go down that's not that big of a deal but it's as you come up into Green Field becomes big deal there's some there's a space here of land that there are signs on yeah that that
triangular piece yeah yes that's what I'm thinking of there is also because I parked my car and I got out and I walked it there's also because the sidewalks come up like boom so there's a spa there's more space on the right hand
side that there are signs on that we could put the sign up the north side yes yeah yeah heading into town from Deerfield yeah right yeah that's where you would want to put it and that's right at the yeah the line pretty much
it is but there's there's a space where there's grass and he mentioned that to me he said there's well that's where you go to bingville um yeah this is this is you know I know it's in ated with signs but we live in a city and we need to get
the sign up and we have to work with what we um so as you go beyond that then you start getting in sidewalk the buildings and no grass so somewhere either on the
triangle or in this little space that we have available to us is really the only place that we can put the sign because you there's no other place to put it I mean we want to announce to people we have the right to farm so however you
got to do it yeah well you know however however we can do it and continue to do it absolutely yeah and yeah so how does that one sounds sounds good okay all right so that's good there's a little question about snow
plowing up and maintenance they go hand in hand yeah okay well like I said I don't I just went by what the engineer told um but I'm happy if you know we can bring back more information maybe for our next meeting we can put that on be
clear on it and vote on it you know there's probably there is a sign that's on that highway there it's probably 200 yards north farther down the way um in front of those um those apartments there that that yeah the new
condos or whatever yeah and it's right there and it says this is the end of State maintenance oh I'm sure you're right it's that far down it's not close to the line it's it's at least 20
250 yards down Okay so this needs to not be voted on tonight but just discussed yeah Okay so we've got those I'm going to put I don't know if they turn their plows around at the bridge or I'll have to go back to DPW any only thing I know
Greg don't get in the middle of a glen specifically and facilitate a meeting I'd be happy to do so if you want me to reach out to them and I can organize I would love to I would love you to do that yeah I would love you to do that because I want these signs to go
up in the right place and stay there you know we'll get it done right sounds good yes perfect okay could you include me on that of course yeah let us all know yes please please thank you so much no problem all right so we've got
that so uh Pamela you you have any thing to say about this where we're putting the right to farm signs at all well my experience in the past would have been the yardage is what matters how far back you know when it's State
versus town but you know that's that's a separate issue so I think that's what you're going to figure out is like yeah what the yage that it can be set back cuz I've had signs removed and taken away and it wasn't a pretty picture okay
so I'm going to write that down setback especially the DPW knows that yeah you know I'm going to assume I'm gonna make the assumption that our DPW knows that the engine know that I'm gonna make that assumtion um but we can
go back again we're not going to vote on it tonight thank you Pamela I appreciate that so what do you think s comment uh is there a third one you were talking about uh we have yes on the two right yeah if you
look at the map here two and five are really close together they are yeah that's that's the essence of Greenfield so it looks like the the city maintenance area is that first
intersection between silver and um Stop and Shop no you're over on High Street now you're yeah we're getting away from route five now yeah we're getting away from route five what we're doing is there are a
number of signs on High Street as you after you come off a route two so where was our third signo we were talking about High Street oh route 2A or two or yeah that's okay right any place from
Factory Hollow is the First Street coming into grainfield Factory Hollow yes I know somebody who lives there that's Field Street so our supposition was that we would stay on we would get we would go from Turner
right over pass Factory Hollow Road take our first left AKA 2A I call it route 2A yep and that goes down by stoping shop so there is a section there where
we have signs that have been placed by the city and you probably know this really well yeah and what the engineer said is he could place it there that would be good and of course we have
signs so it's placed at an appropriate place they do have them spaced out so you can see them so I said okay I will write it yeah Factory Hollow was way down in the state area yeah it's
about where the laundromat is is where the U The Village shop W La room at across the Street's that puffy par dog [Music] rooming you've already gone past shopping stop I know there are signs
further further north yeah yeah there are there are this is not this is not very much of an issue no coming in here is not much of an issue okay and the great thing you know because they take care of Dig Safe and all that stuff yeah
yeah I was saying was there is is the only thing we have to pay attention to is having where the city can put it yeah along that route to exactly where that's why I went to the city okay yeah all right so we already know that we've got
one at The Rotary though that may be in question Jenny did concur with us let's just keep it there and we'll do three signs so this is the way take down the the sign that's in front of it blocks
it you know how long I live I live like a half a mile away from the rotary can you imagine how many times I missed that sign oh it's not even funny absolutely cannot see it's not even funny um and we're gonna leave it there and just do
this the best way we can would I like to move it sure I'd like to move it um am I going to move it I don't think so yeah okay I think it's going to stay there as long as we we work and and keep keep our commission going and people know that we're here um and that's why
I'm so pleased to see Pam and anon's here and you're here I'm so pleased it takes a while for it to catch on that we're B so let us vote next time so the next meeting is a the first meet the first Wednesday in April I don't know
the date we've identified three possible places to put it would it not be a good idea to go to the DPW and say exactly where these would be on these roads well I would like to but I thought we no no no but they know where they can put them
they know where they can put them they already told and we but they requested us to give them maaps yes they requested us to have a discussion all right so what would so what do you so
it's the blind leading the Denise what would you like to do would you like to make a motion too I'm just thinking if they want if they know where they can put them yeah we would like them as close to this town line as
they can put them yeah I agree and that would be fine with me that I would agree with that so that's why I asked to be involved in I was going to that's exactly what I was going to ask him to do you guys really need Maps or can you just put them closely you well I need to
know when I go down there you know what we decided on so that would be can I make a motion yeah you can make as many motions as you want all right a motion make a motion um so may I at this
time make a motion that we uh have the signs put as close to the city and the state obviously on the city Side as is safely possible and include the town lines yes
the town as as points I'm calling the town city now okay yeah by the line yeah um I'm not okay that's that's I'm happy to do that because I I've see it I've gotten out I've walked at you know I mean I
might even go I mean they know their streets I mean I can go out and take a picture of say here here here uh we have very limited land and right you're right especially coming into Greenfield on route five from the state or where route
two crosses yeah Lord knows how many signs there are welcome Greenfield and it's pretty congested housing okay so so I second your motion
okay um all favor of I I I thank you I don't have to finish my statement thank I'll reach out to Glenn is there days times that work best NOP yeah sounds good you know get in touch
with them let us know I would love to go with you sounds good go with if I can I can't go on Monday mornings okay sounds good at all forget it like she's G to think she I just certain times but um but I would I would like like to go with you and I would
like everyone to come up yeah let me know if I can come I would love to have us all there okay great okay uh 189 Wall Street at the intersection of wells and Allen down by Fosters Marketplace yellow
it okay it's an enormous building how have I missed it I don't know well you see what you expect to see I gu I missed it for years until I had to go down there the office so so we voted that this is what
we're going to do Matt thank you let us know we'll go down be great to have us all there okay um in person if we could now uh the next thing is the setting the time limit on discussions at meetings can I table that for now yes sure thank
you um I'm looking at the clock and I'm interested in staying on time but being able to have public input okay I'm really interested in that um I I really want to cover if I could please the
citizen petition we're going way back into December so the citizen petition brought forward um by the individual who had a rooster complaint and his petition was to change
the zoning in town he was was hoping to change the zoning in town I can't read the petition here I don't have it with me Denise and I physically attended the meeting uh and we both got up and we spoke so if you could
briefly synopsis that meeting where we were both at you could take care of it because I basically said the same thing right I think we both got up and said that we were members of the AG cultural commission we were there to help um deal with things of this matter and
that I specifically said now I had also just sort of a preview talk to the Farm Bureau Mass Farm Bureau about this because there are zoning laws there are Massachusetts zoning laws that you can you
cannot Zone roosters out of acreage of five acres or more however it's a rather tricky subject yes so I we spoke and we said that there is an ordinance on the book that says you may not have Roosters on less than 5
Acres um which should be uh what's the word I'm looking for well it's not it's the ordinance it's on the book right it's that's it somebody needs to make sure that happens that's what I'm trying to say right right so if somebody has a rooster complaint yeah
what are the appropriate authorities well we know that they go to Michael tho because he came to visit us Michael if there are any animal complaints and agricultural animal complaints or any agricultural you would go to Michael fough right the health director sign
okay we start with him and he divies it out but we should be made aware of so the long and the short of it is people are upset that there's roosters hanging around town waking them up at all hours of the day yeah and um probably rightly
so but on the opposite side anybody who has according to the state of Massachusetts more than 5 Acres or more has the right to farm M and it's labeled um this the ordinance and I'm sorry I can't remember what it is but I did
quote it at the time and it's um normal farming practices they had a whole list of things and normal farming practices was listed so my question is if you've got an with this particular group a is it normal farming
practices you know yeah it it's um and and it seems it's a little bit Shady there be I don't mean Shady Nega not shady but it's gray because it is because they have a church and they have a parsonage and my book's
a little bit hard to Farm parking lot in the church so yeah and I know that Jenny was here and I gave her the piece of paper that Eric had given me yeah this is what we said both of us at that meeting
and that's basically that me well Jenny made a point yes there's over 10 acres there about 11 years ago the church decided to chop those Parcels up MH into three
pieces and that's where they lost their their acreage I have a farm and it's chopped into two pieces that is an area that I because I'm on chapter 61a on part of that will
explored as far as this petition is concerned okay I'm going to bring It Forward again my feeling on this position petition is that somebody in the town needs to get involved with getting these two groups to talk to each other and work this out I tried that and
I you I tried it too I'm not talking about this group somebody in Authority because right they may actually be violating the ordinance that's already in the town and the state and the state and
well five acres of the state so who do you who do you think would be good people to come together the health the Board of Health should probably and do there maybe the zone in board somebody from the zoning board no the zoning board has no somebody you how about well maybe the Zoning Board in terms of how
they've got the the land Zone yeah because she makes a point we're an advisory commission we we don't pass judgment or any of that we we're an advisory commission and actually by doing this we would be helping them to
sort out the situation whatever it is well this is one of the I mean this this should not have a blanket law to cover it this should be something that's worked out now if so and so down the road for me has got a 2 acre plot and has a rooster that's keeping everybody
up at you know at the break of dawn then that's kind of obvious that's kind of obvious and the health department need than that this is a little bit more complicated because they have 10 acres right some of it's subdivided into the church and parking lot and some and this
is to say that and I don't think a blanket ordinance should be done on that I don't and again I say a lot of people think of these terms I think in terms of by doing this we're we're helping them to straight helping out the
people to understand to get things straightened out to come into compliance okay because I want to see people in compliance because I want things to be in compliance so everybody's happy and things are good
well that's why people are not happy though the guy who filled out the petition happens to live on Country Club Road right and we think that's over here and we think that Davis Street is over here in reality they ABD each other yeah they are AB each
other levandowski said something to the effect well they're three or 400 yards away they're not 100 feet away from boundary lines and that's where I would start with Michael well who knows where
you start with has guidelines or the mass Farm Bureau has guidelines for right but for the health departments to deal with things like this so so I'm gonna I'm gonna throw this out there uh would anyone like to get
together and get a hold of Michael make an appointment with him and voice Our concern about this since he's the person where is this thing s sitting now in terms of what what's happening now is we had the second um we had the second
meeting which I went to over Zoom right um and in a nutshell it was unanimously voted down okay unanimously voted down but now they're doing something else in terms of noise
pollution I don't want to get into that yet okay um so they unanimously voted it down not without voicing sympathy right and and understanding sympathy for who well the people that are complaining
about roosters oh specifically this because this petition right so so they understand you know they understand a couple of them said you know I understand um but the fact is that they went by this right to farm what they had
to make a decision on this is a gray area we know this uh but it's unanimously voted down the petitioner can come back in March and um you know put forward
something else MH but the petition as it was written up was not able to be accepted it was just too much but he does have the right to do that and he should if
he he wants he can do that he could do that um I I don't I you know should I bring should some of us does anybody think I should go I don't mind going to see Michael or sending him an email about this you know rather than leaving him in the dark say hey we made it we
had a discussion um it's probably not a bad idea to let him know that okay do you would and and there are and I let me look because I can't bring it up on my phone okay right now but let me get the uh I know I sent it out to you once before but let me resend the information
the for uh Farm buau sent me that's great yeah yeah and that should go to the board of health because that's you say Michael that's Michael Michael th yeah I'm sorry Michael thorough the health director because we've already established months ago right that that's his jurisdiction so we've done our due
diligence yeah as far as I'm concerned yeah and I always see it in support of to help educate so people don't get in in mired in Mucky Waters that we have to get themselves out of that's my go well it's it's kind of an issue because if
you get a whole bunch of supposedly pullets sex well always sex correctly no unless they're sex linked and then you that's that's a discussion that we might put on the next agenda go ahead and tell that to the commission and ask them if
they know what sex links means all right so I I guess I don't know if I can make a motion that I will so anyway before we make motions do we need a motion for that I don't know I would like a discussion if anybody
Pamela do you have any ideas on this uh rooster complaint that we recently had well I I have to say as a person in the in the city I'm very confused um and i i s on the of the chair of the safety
commission um and in my building we have quiet hours from 10 p.m. till about 7 a.m. and as you age you really need to get your sleep so I'm confused because it seems to me that it's gone from city council then it comes over to you people
but now it's back at the director of the Board of Health yes so I'm trying really hard to not think everybody's passing the buck uh so this has been a helpful meeting for me yeah um and I think he needs a lot more people signing that petition so it's just not him and his
wife because okay yeah councelor bulock talks about the roosters that keep her up all night long and you know I thought they were asking him to just go settle it with the other party well that's easier said than done so if you're
calling in a mediator then two people have to be sit down to compromise to come up you know to have a meeting of the minds and I do not think that that's probably what's going on based on what I've heard here tonight you know they're going to dig in their
heels and if if they are not truly the right acreage it should be a done deal you know if your line is divided up and there's an ordinance that says then end of story as far as that goes get rid of your two roosters or 10 or however
many that they have and so that's kind of where I stand and I keep hearing people all the time I don't want to hear a rooster either so I don't think it should be thought of as one person's complaint I think it's a lot of people's complaint they just haven't signed the
petition and I've already sent an email off to Michael in support of it but you know I'm happy to sign there somewhere because I think it's an issue as tricky as it is you know this has been very helpful to know that you're strictly
advisory um and so I don't think you existed and I'm really glad that you do exist and I believe in farming I've had ducks and chickens and rabbits and all of it up in Charlemont but I think it's a situation and here's what I also heard
and then I'll shut up I heard that we need a noise ordinance okay so that it could be the roosters it could be the snow blowers it could be the leaf blowers it could be the fireworks and if they're going to do that fine let's do
it you know like but do something so it doesn't go on for months and months and and and take a stand and let's do something so it doesn't look like it's bouncing around from this person to that person I just attended a Board of Health meeting they've got
like two people and the director they're down an investigator I mean part of me is like is that supposed to be the Animal control officer I don't think so it's all of Franklin County is what that person is in charge of I I could be wrong but that's what I heard so I'm
glad you're working out something and if it's if it's go talk to David then make him aware that it is his jurisdiction I didn't know that until I heard it from you people tonight yeah thank you that's
what we're doing here and yes it it has been a long thing going on I think that I go to m to Michael tho and voice this to him and say look at this and this and this and we've had public input and I'm
going to ask S in a minute and I'm asking Anthony as well um thank you you know thank you Pam so Anthony I'm gonna ask if he has any input I know he's just here to observe
but to give the opportunity roosters crowing rooster noise yes the noise ordinance is a separate now a separate issue they're still working on it that doesn't I don't
want to discuss that at this meeting it's just that um happen to live in Pre how that affects farming I happen live in Precinct 7 so I've been in this Precinct 7 group U
more peripheral peripheral you know around the edges I haven't gone to every meeting um but um it's good it's good it's so it's a good good I ask question and maybe you know the answer sounds good if we have an ordinance that says
you thus Thou shalt not have a rooster on less than 5 Acres who enforces that Michael probably yeah Michael okay so that's where it needs to go it needs to go it needs to go to there and we need to stop having this that's that's
what I'm saying the situation it's a different situation completely it's I mean it's yeah that's that needs to be thing that they need they need that's the gr area they need they need help with we've done our due diligence but the other roosters that are sitting around crewing I don't care myself but
well there's an ordinance that needs to be followed yes there's an ordinance that needs to be follow to be followed that's all and that enforcement is done by animal control which is under Health the bo okay okay that is my understanding what I read so therefore
anybody who has a problem with this needs to go to the health department and animal control and that maybe should be and Mark snow as well is involved in boosters maybe that needs to be made very very public at some of these meetings yes itain it does because it
hasn't been made public no it has not been made this is where well that's what I'm saying Greg you've been to the church oh yeah okay if I were to stand between the the church and the and where where the parentage is
yes I obviously could hear the roosters oh yeah off to the north there's crowning Shield drive or something off from uh country roosters it's not just their two roosters you can hear some roosters
exactly as well and Bo Believe It or Not people are saying to me I live in that neighborhood yeah and they've said down by not back to Silver Street but there's a couple of little enclaves of side
roads off Country Club Road and they allegedly have roosters so I will Janine lives on Gold Street there's roosters and you can hear them in the morning so here I am standing there going Who the hell's roosters are we
really upset about right right and uh you know the whole time I was there um and I I've been there quite a bit um I've heard their roosters but they're not really super I mean they're they're bantams they're bantams that's what they are they don't make a lot of noise they
CW not compared to not compared to like a leg keep in mind where levandowski put their chickens at night yeah they're under that porch very close line to his bedroom window yeah okay so wait a
second they're they're put in a building at night yeah but it's not an enclosed building okay it's underneath the porch it's a c underneath the so I think we all bought into it noise level between a bantom and a standard my thing is
plausibly audible which is a different thing we're going to talk about it at the p7 meeting it's it's a it's a little piece it's a little piece of they working on this noise ordinance Phantoms although they sound like roosters
are you know they're now A B is like because I walk I walk I walk dogs on Meadow Road I have a dog I walk on Meadow Road Chicken who they had a standard rooster sameir and then about a
year later I'm walking down Meadow Road with Lucy and all of a sudden I hear this you know after the big one I'm like oh they could have been a young one they have a bantom you know well he's still I I walk this dog frequently I mean I
should not probably be well we got Roost is all over town but anyway I will go to Michael we have done our due diligence I really feel good about this now yes okay um I just make a suggestion uh Board of Health their next meeting is going to be
February 26 thank you so you have pretty much this whole month to reach out to them and to see if they want that on their agenda okay so Matt you're gonna take care of the DPW yep I'm gonna reach out to I'll reach out to Michael and just
I'll 15 I will send you chat with him the Massachusetts regulations zoning regulations and the the um Farm bu suggest that good stuff you had all have to do Mass Department of Agriculture is over
there I called the mass well there's one right in in Greenfield I would oh M yes I know what you're talking about and and what they said is no one in Boston cares about farming in Massachusetts oh I know well that's they all get their food at
the grocery store could I could I give some time to Sid sure to speak about why she's here and what she is doing oh yeah can I give you some we don't have too much time I want to give you some time uh that's okay yeah so I'm
Sid St John I live at 138 Highland Avenue um over by Highland Park and uh on February 20th uh I'm going to the zba for a public hearing for a special permit for the operation of a cut flower
farm on my property which is just over 2 and a half acres maybe 2.75 yes have you have you looked at the Massachusetts laws because they do have a under they have a two acre inclusion okay wonderful yeah um so depending on
what you're doing they yeah absolutely um so in order to secure a DBA in order to operate as nettle Point farm and not just as myself I have to get a special permit in uh Greenfield so uh I'll be there on February 20th basically just to
uh let everybody know that um uh what I'm trying to do do which is uh cut flowers I'd love to be at the Greenfield Farmers Market I want to I'm within my rights just as a resident I don't need a special permit to put a farm stand on my property so I'd like to do that um and I'd like to sell at you know places like
greenfields Market places like Atlas um really Market myself a little bit more than I can just as an individual um and I'll be there to like answer any questions and concerns that anybody might have uh 138 Highland Avenue no no
no no oh right here oh here right here what's the meeting for it's the zoning Board of Y um do you have an email because I should send you that I do yeah let me um oh that would be cool because I should send that too because you may actually they may actually you may
actually not need to get a permit I'm not 100% sure how that's worded now Z used to be five acres or more it's now in two acres more if you're selling okay so I've been in discussion with Eric
twarog and also um the gentleman who handles the dbas specifically and they so he directed me to the zoning board through the zoning board I applied for the special permit and I'm doing the um not need it okay that would be that would be really great um one question
yeah of course are you gonna have to build any green houses storage facilities I that goes through whatever hoops set up in the town for building permit absolutely and that's what I'm asking yeah so I do have plans in on
like the 10e scale to install one high tunnel um and I would like to include a refrigerated shed this is the just the application that's what I submitted to storage of the cut flowers yes exactly for storage of the cup flowers but
everything that I'm doing is uh obviously I'm at the top of the hill so I'm really concerned of this uh that's all I brought but I've actually I've made it available through everything Greenfield and it's available on the town website
and I've tried yeah um and it's got my phone number on there too so if you have any reason to reach out I would love to hear from you with any questions and concerns but I'm at the top of the hill so obviously erosion is like my main concern so because of that everything is very low till I want to keep all the
roots holding the dirt snug to the Earth and I don't spray any um pesticides although oh my gosh when I'm like handpicking um bugs off of my zenas I will tell you like I really would like to spray sometimes but I don't um and there's a lot of concern about high
nitrate levels in that area in the soil so I don't use any like chemal need looking at right there okay chapter it does say two acres okay that's that's new that's like within the last I two or three years okay that's
awesome so good to know look that up and see if you fall under that two Baker perfect because you're two and a half right yes absolutely good that half acre makes a differ it does and I just want to say welcome I don't know where
you move or if you live Greenfield I was in Detroit welcome to Greenfield thank you so much coming here and doing this and going down the right Avenues and making Green Field A Greener place to live yeah
I mean that's really My Hope um like I I really love like all my neighbors on Highland Aven I think everyone's really friendly and I just you know my yard for the longest time is first of all I'm not a tidy Gardener um not a tidy
Garden I know I know it's been like stressful for everybody to walk past and stressful to like see The Works in progress and before that it was I mean it was literally just invasive species like Bittersweet and sumat choking up against I just keep pulling I every summer I
keep pulling unless you want to sell bitter sweets I think you need to n yeah thank you actually I let it grow on my property and honey that was my property yeah my number one goal is just um you know I have this property and I know everybody walks their dog up there
and I just want to make it into something that's like nice for people to walk past and can be like a happy and contributing part of the community like I want every person who takes their partner on a date to go hiking in Highland Park to come by and buy flowers from me
like lovely okay so um thank you for letting us know about that thank you for having me welcome to Greenfield and bringing a little more green into this um I'm cheering in the two or three weeks if you want more wool I will hit
you up I definitely do thank you okay we have we have some commonalities here wonderful um so the meeting is adjourned you have to have a motion oh I moved to the meeting I
second third I love you guys are so I love you know I couldn't do this the meeting is adjourned [Music]