I'm going to call this meeting to order. It is 10:02 a.m. Um, this meeting is being recorded by the Greenfield Unhoused Community Adoc Committee. Um, if any other persons present are doing the same, you must
notify the chairperson at this time. Um, we'll do a roll call of members here plus we can have our guests introduce ourselves themselves. all.
Um, so I'm Sarah Brown, counselor here. Um, Christy Allen, not present yet. And also, if you don't mind introducing your role and how you're on this committee or why you're on this
committee. Um, Larry Thomas. Larry, you're on mute. He's frozen. Oh, you're frozen. Yeah. Oh, there we go. You ask you talk. Did you ask? I'm not on mute. Can you hear me? Yep. You hear me? Yeah. Thank you.
Oh, no. This Okay. Yeah, we can hear you, but the signal looks pretty bad. So, you may be hard to to get your message through. Okay. Um, Reese McGovern uh, present.
I use he him the pronouns and I am I was appointed to the committee by um, the the city council president. Yes, Robin Green. Hi, I'm Robin. I'm an EMT. I work for the local ambulance company.
Sarah invited me. Happy to be here. I'm Pamela Goodwin. Hi. Um, I'm Pamela Goodwin. The mayor appointed me to the ad hoc um committee for the unhoused. Happened to be here. Zoe Smith,
police. And then our our guests, um, I'm Pamela McBride. I'm with the Greenfield Public Library. I'm Pat Human Rights Commission. and thank you so much for being here as
well. Um, it's a surprise and it's a pleasant surprise. Um, you could totally introduce yourselves as well, but I I guess there's not that much space around the mics. You don't mind also introducing yourselves? Chief can't see me on the
screen. Please press break up please. I can put your ser. Thanks for being here. All right. Well, first we'll get started with approving the minutes
from May 8th, 2025. Is there a motion? Motion to approve. Second. All in favor? Hi. Great. Um, okay. And then next we have some
discussion items um just on the access to resources. So we start off with the cooling center if anyone has any um anything they wanted to share maybe in particular if your experience of seeing what happened
at the library in the last few days. Um it's been busy. We've, you know, um we've been, Luckily, the heat wave happened on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, so we were open till 8:00, so people had access. Um we did, I mean, of course, we have, you know, our our water
filling stations available. Um we did see more people coming just to get cool. And we have put out do have a small container of personal care items that we've just kind of been putting out, you know, de soap, toothpaste, that kind of
thing just to put out for people to take. Um, yeah. So, and I've also um I'm in contact I have had a conversation with Christie from MRC and we're talking about ways to try to
during if a heat wave happens on a weekend if we can be open later hours on Saturday and for a few hours on Sunday. But that is just really preliminary work in progress. So, but we're trying the excuse me, the thought being that the
MRC like like the front of the front of the library could be used with the MRC to close the gate um and then to um ask either the police or fire department to lock and unlock the doors. Can I also say that it was, you know, wonderful that the library was available
the one afternoon till 8:00 p.m. because every other place and I got a a flyer from Pamela McBride. It was everybody left at 4. It was still like 99 and terrible at 400 pm. So, um I'm really
hoping that we can figure out who else could be open if you know for another heatwave. Right now, it's like going to be high of 70, but we know this is going to be fluctuating. And I also wanted to ask and I don't know who's in charge of checking in with Salvation Army. That's
pending. They do serve lunch I think until 1:00. So, somebody needs to get a hold of is it Lieutenant Paul and Emily or Captain? I forget their title to find out what what would they need if they're
willing to be open past when they serve lunch because that's on the sheet as a maybe. Right. Yeah. So, I don't know whose job that is. It's through the F. I think that flyer came through through the opioid task force. It did from from
Deborah. opioid task force is where that whole huge list and it lists every place in Northampton and Athel and Orange and then it has a separate sheet for Greenfield. Um, and I don't know, maybe Larry can
talk about what the hours are at the Alliance Center. You know, that's that's down there. Wildflower Alliance is also open, but again, it's shorter hours, I think, cuz it's a man it's always a manpower problem.
Well, we open Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Did you all hear me? From 12:30 to 4:30. Um, what I did is I went out
my school. I pass Monday, not Wednesday, but Monday and Tuesday. Mary, would you mind turning off your video? It's a hard time hearing you. We did hear you say that you passed out
water on Monday and Tuesday. Um, but it does look like you're frozen now. So, try try it again, Larry. So, I Can you hear me now? That's a little better. Yeah. All right. I pass. Oh, so I passed out water. I probably
gave about 80 bottles of water Monday and I forgot how many Tuesday. Um I was out all day. Folks were very aware of all the warming centers, but a lot of people here in Greenfield, they prefer to be outside. That's what I found. A lot of folks are just hanging out outside. There was folks going to the
library. I heard the librarians talk about it, but there was a lot of folks just hanging around on Main Street. Thank you. Cool. That's it. That's it. Thank you.
Um, any other thoughts or followup on centers if you wanted to reach out to the Salvation Army? Um, I could try them on Friday morning. I don't know if they're there early in the morning, but I'm leaving town for the weekend. Um, but yeah, why don't you put me on
that and I'll try to find somebody else if I don't have I don't have the flyer in front of me, so I don't know if they're open even on Saturday. I will say that most of the churches are either airond conditioned or brick and warmer, you know, cooler for them when they go and
eat and they're eating and I was with Larry twice on the really hot day and it was brutal outside. I also am not sure how word spreads among the unhoused that this building is open till 5 because
it's nice and cool in here and then by five they have to leave. So um you have any idea whether they're just pretty much aware of where to go they do need to cool off? I I mean I talked to many people in the past few days and
made sure that they're aware of the warming centers and I would say they they all were aware in the very least. Excuse me, the cooling centers. I mean all of Greenfield is a warming center. Yes. Um um I I will say like even those that weren't aware of the cooling
centers know that the library was open, you know, and so I reiterated like you know they've got bottle and water or like the fountains and it says and they're like yeah know we know we know we know. So I, you know, I think the the flyers are out at the at the main hubs
of the library, at the town hall, things like that, and people are aware and um yeah, I don't think it was like a messaging issue. I I have a question I think mostly for Pamela. Um because I'm curious um you
know you're saying it's not a messaging issue and I'm curious if Pam you have a PM you have a a sense of what other barriers might be for people who maybe aren't coming to the library if you have an idea of that or people who come and
don't feel comfortable staying. Um I think some of it is yes there are people who don't like the library and don't want to use it. Um we do see we have kind of two groups. We have people who will come to spend the day. Um they
can you know sit, they can relax, they can read the paper, use the computer, they can take a nap. Um so you know we have that group of people um especially among the unhoused who come in and then we have others who they'll just come in come in to use the facilities and to come in for 20 minutes as it was said
they don't want to spend a lot of time inside a building but they do know that they can come in and and leave. Um, so I don't know how we can change our messaging. And it's also, you know, you come in and and you know, unless you want something, we pretty much ignore
you cuz it's your library. So it's your space. Um, so we're just there to offer, you know, help and guidance, so to speak. So um, so and I think, you know, we even this morning, you know, there
were 10 or 15 people waiting to come in before we opened. So people I think people in the area know that we're here and they know that we're available and it's hard to gauge why some people don't feel comfortable. There are many reasons you know they don't they don't want to
be around people of you know authority. There are some people that you know as wonderful as as it is when Officer Smith comes in there are times there are people that are just like nope don't want you know they just feel uncomfortable. So thank you. Is that answering your question? Yes. And and I
guess that's a broader question to maybe Zoe might feel comfortable speaking to this especially I don't remember who just mentioned it but this building panel I think it was you um this building being open I I guess I'm curious if we have a sense of what other
barriers could be for people who may know that there's a space available but not feel comfortable coming in. I yeah I don't know I don't think this is a question really I can answer on their behalf. You know, hopefully maybe the survey might reveal some of that. I
Robin, do you do you know if we had like a lot of heat emergencies with patients or things in the past couple days? Yeah, we did. Okay. Yeah. I mean, dehydration was a big one, but I don't think we had any full-blown heat stroke with a lot of like sinkable episodes and Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I guess what I was trying I was trying to draw a distinction like you know we want to make sure we break down barriers and it's available but also like we don't need to drag people to the library if they don't want to go to the library you know um but if if there are people who could really benefit from this and they
don't they and they would otherwise then yeah that's I I will say and I I think this is an important distinction we actually didn't have any true heat stroke emergencies you know we didn't have any like you know sometimes you have someone who has a sunburn so bad,
they basically need to go to a burn unit. We didn't have anything like that. What we had was a lot of dehydration. So, I think having a cooling center is incredible because it saves water in reducing your sweat output, but having water filling stations is I I think the
big one, right? I think our our friend who we picked up the other day was okay because of how available water was. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, I think that's the big one. Thanks. That's a really good Anthony. Oh, thank you.
Um, yeah. I don't know my hand or not, but can you all hear me? Um, water is a really really big big thing for the unhoused folks. We have a lot of folks who do not want to go
inside for the people have really complex issues. Um, I can't speak for like the officer said, like officer Zoe said, I can't speak for but I built a lot of relationships in our community.
And there's there's a number of reasons why folks, please. But it would it would really benefit our community if they water stations. I mean, cuz I was passing out bottles of water. I got I got a bunch of water. Um,
I was passing out on my bike, but if they were stations on the street where people have to go walk to the library or walk to this town hall, if they were like right at the corner of Chapman Street or maybe at the corner one of
these streets would be it would definitely be beneficial to the the unhouse folks. I'm g pass with that. Thank you. Thanks, Mary. Also, Larry, is the is there an outdoor water refilling station at Mesa Verde that's not Mesa Verde anymore?
I can tell you I can I can send you a text soon as I leave soon as I leave after this meeting. I'm not sure if that's still open right now. I'm not 100% sure. So, I'll send you all a text soon as I leave. Thank you. Thanks. Um,
I know on the outside of the Portland Loop, like on the outside of it, there is a a water faucet that is available. Um, again, you know, it's it's a hike and it's kind of in the middle of a parking lot, too. So, certainly on a hot day to walk over there, but um yeah, no,
I like the idea. Could we look into, let's say, the corner of Chapman Street, big coolers with ice that have bottles there? because I've seen Larry trying to distribute and he's also very hot and
runs out and has to go back and get it and then go around and find people. So, I just wondered whether we could entertain the idea of ice chests. Would you do that? You want to come up too if you don't mind? Thank you.
our I don't know if you guys have noticed but the substation is really close to being completed and that's the stuff we're kind of hoping to do there stuff like that. So can you sorry can you say more about that just so in case anybody doesn't Yeah. Yeah. So the substation um which is very close to
where she indicated it's right across from the end of Chapman Street on Maine. Um it's the paintings about finished. Um as most know it's we got a lot of hurdles but the sign should be going up today. The tech will be going in very soon. The deputy chief will be working
with it on that. But what we want to do is things like that. So we can buy, we were talking about this at another meeting yesterday. Um if we can we can maybe start buying some pallets of water and having them there to distribute through u the substation. Um we might be
able to put some coolers there like that too in there. Another thing we just got at the station was a filling station. I'm wondering if we might be able to do something like that in the substation. I was actually just about to ask that. Is is there plumbing in that building? There could be like a public space to
I'm almost and we'll talk about it. I'll talk about it with central maintenance. Um I don't know what they'd be able to do on the outside, but a filling station on the outside would be pretty cool if we could do that. I do know that the facility itself is one-third bathroom.
Not that I need it. Yeah. So we we might be able to do something like that. Um we just did that for inside our new report stations so that we can keep using water. So it could be something that we might be able to install even if it's inside. Yeah.
Location. Yeah. And it's right there at Champion Street like you said. So they don't have to walk over to the park, but if they are over the skate park they can do it. But we'll work on that part. That's awesome. We'll try to get some That's so cool. Awesome. Thanks guys. And in the winter in the
winter, hot chocolate. Yes, absolutely. I'll bring marshmallows. Gonna make it. So have another nozzle for hot milk. Hot cocoa filling station. Yeah. Little hot cocoa. In the winter. In the winter.
Do we want to move on to storage lockers? I heard from um did you all get the email from Amy and Anna that the CDBG funding went through? So now there's going to be a public hearing next Monday at 5:00 p.m.
about installing storage lockers. I don't think there's been a location that's chosen yet, but we can show up next Monday 5:00 p.m. City Hall because they wanted some like public support. Um yeah, 5:00 p.m. here. Yeah. on Monday.
Does anyone else have more details on that or anything else to add? So, how does the public find out since it's a public hearing? Is it just go up onto the website? Can we just Yeah, you go door to door. We did that already.
Um, next up was trash. I think we were going to do some trash research. Has anyone looked at anything on thresh? We have many times. Okay, great. What's We're We're always out at these sites
and it's it's a big big deal. Um the amount of trash sadly left behind is in the like metric ton range, not bags of. So I I the way I see it is we really
would have to incorporate DPW assistance on that. Um and maybe get some work bees going because it's it's bad. The problem with the environment itself isn't very sterile. Um a lot of the unhoused are using the outsides as their bathroom. So
it's kind of a little scary there. Um so personal protection is would be key when when we're out doing that. Um, but I think some planning could happen. Um, it it's not going to be in most these long-term unhoused
locations, it's not going to be a fivem minutee cleanup thing that there's a lot of trash. There's a lot of and and my watch found. So, um I think I think we'd have to get like dump trucks or um somebody's going to have to start talking about
getting some dumpsters. Y which is not cheap. when we had talked about, you know, like the what is it the blue bags for people cleaning up like stuff. Is there a way that those bags could be made available just in general to people who are, you
know, trying to maintain a site um and otherwise might not feel like they have the ability to haul stuff up to the dump or whatever. Um, basically the the town assuming the the cost for that disposal of the people were willing to use the beds.
And I will say that when three of us did meet with um chief of staff and the mayor, it the trash came up um and DPW was mentioned and staffing more of DPW. But if you're talking about a work fee,
um cuz I think it's, you know, when you incur big money with a dumpster, that's different. But I know we were talking about getting the flu bags and I think it's purchased through your DPW or you know it could be grant money for all we know because we've talked about it and
I'm willing I'm looking like if we were to set up a work day in July and just saw how many volunteers could come as long as they're wearing protective you know it's it's the sharks you have to worry about. But there were perfectly good tents that were caved over and just
needed to be set up somewhere to dry out for instance. no abandoned tents. So maybe we could come up with a date in July and get a whole lot of people to get in there and do it. Um that would that would be not using DPW budget
because that's going to have to go either to the mayor or to Marlo, right? To go but it's it's also to to be honest, it's part of the contentious issue is it is we even at the PD have to pay for our bags, right? So the where
where people get stressed out, I guess the taxpayer gets stressed out is why are they paying and and these individuals and and this is the hard part of the conversation is we're going to keep putting resources out there so they can keep making a mess that people have to go and clean up, right? And and
and it's they simply can't clean it. They have no place to bring it. Trash disposal is expensive and and difficult. So while talking about this, that's a hard part. That's the hard conversation. If you live in Greenfield, you know how hard it is to get rid of your own trash. If the city goes out of their way to
keep getting rid of trash for nothing, that's not fair to the person paying. So, just things to take into account. It's a tough conversation to have, but um at this point in time in in a lot of these places, the trash is really out of
control. It's it's piling up bad. Does anyone know if the like there is trash pickup at the pavilion itself? There is. Right. Like there's the trash bins. So dog park. Is that what you mean? They're limited. Yeah.
They're small. That's the question that I have is right now there is a trash bin and there are trash cans at the dog park. What kind of schedule are those on with DPW? Is it as consistent as I'll
look into that residential pickup and it'll never be I mean there's a there's people living there. It's just not enough. You know a couple trash cans are never going to the additional concern we have with with that waste that when we do have flooding which happens quite a
bit a lot of that goes down into the river. Yeah. Yeah. So to keep it out of there is a big deal. Um but every time it goes Barry, we can hear that you're talking, but you are not clear.
Also not clear. Better spelling. You can also put in the chat too if it's if the audio is not working, but you're muted right now. Um, I I just wanted to sort of circle back around in this conversation because
I think that a lot of this does come back to the question of if we were able to get people out of flood planes, it would increase the accessibility perhaps of trying to solve a problem like this and increase the um
likelihood that we're not sending trash down the river, which I think is a a shared control. Yeah. That the reality of that is how I'll come in at that's where they want to be. So if you move them, it's going to be
against their will. That's not a they want to be along forever. They're living there. And Zoe, you probably know even more. This that's where they're comfortable. So it's it's a force out or they're not moving. It's just fascinating. Okay. That's very different
from what I think our group understanding was up to this point. I So um do you mind if I do a tiny little Can we go? Yeah, we can make a motion to I feel like this is so important and the crux
of the issue. This is like the flooded camp. So, um, we could make a motion to move the zoning and ordinances possibilities up. You're moving the zoning and ordinance
up to talking about the first part access of resources, right? Yeah. I'll second this motion. Thank you. All favor. All in favor? Larry, I'm taking Oh, Larry put stuff in the chat, too. Oh, what's in the chat?
in chat. Sorry, I'm trying to There we go. Um, Larry says, "The sheriff's department is having conversations about cleanup of abandoned sites." Oh, great. Good to know. Thanks, Larry. Coordinate. And I also want to make sure the public
knows. It's not that I know the mayor has been into the sites as well, and people would love to clean up their sites, many of them. they just are unable to without bags and also just walking and the comfort of their
feet and their legs is prohibiting a lot of it. So I just want to put that out there. It's not that these people don't care how they're living. They do care. They need assistance and we're happy to see how we can assist. Right? They need
the same kind of support that other residents of Greenfield get. Right. Um so first of all, thank you officers so much for being here. Um
so the I think our shared understanding as a task force up to this point was that the reason that we have groups of people staying in these two flood planes is because um it first of all it's illegal to live
in a tent in Greenfield. Um it's uh against both zoning and also there's an ordinance against living in a tent or an RV. Um and but that our understanding was that the police department had an enforcement priority that was basically
like yes it is technically illegal to live in a tent but if you have nowhere else to go then staying in these locations where people are grouping together that's out of the way and that's not that people are not making complaints about or at
least as many as if they were in like for example when they were in Energy Park. um then like it doesn't make sense to like you said do a forced move you know what I mean like where are they going to go from that point um so something that we have been talking
about for a while as a task force was um looking at the idea of like a sanctioned encampment like trying to find a site that that wasn't as dangerous as next to the river um that maybe had some services but that was
still um a place where people could go and and not be generating a lot of uh public panic. Um we we had a few problems with this. Um and so I I spent the past
couple of weeks looking into zoning ordinances. The the big problem is that this the city does not want to assume liability for blessing people to live in a structure that isn't up to code, that
isn't, you know, compliant with all of the zoning and ordinance laws. Um and and similarly I I don't think it's necessarily unreasonable to expect the city to be um held accountable to their unhoused
population the same way that they are to their housed population in terms of keeping them safe. So this is kind of the the crux of the issue that we've been having. We've been talking about people living on these flood planes since we started this committee. Um, so again,
the thing that I think is new information to us is that these sites were selected by the people living there. We thought that it was selected by basically this was the only place where people weren't calling you guys to
go deal with them all the time. But no, they get I mean, as indicated, they get washed out and they set it back up. Okay. They're not deterred that their whole camp gets obliterated when we have a flood. They're right back there 2 days later. They want to be there. That's why they're there. It's fascinating. And and
I guess our question then is what other option do they have if their other option is to go somewhere else and be arrested, right? Like that's that's not a true choice. So I don't remember ever arresting a homeless person. I've been
here 30 years. We've never arrested someone because they're homeless. Um, there are ordinances in the town where we'll move them out of a town park after 10:00 at night between 10 and 6. They can't be in town parks. Um, in most cases, they've set up encampments in
places very public and we also didn't arrest them then. So, I don't know what you mean there. Just to clarify when I say like it if I were an unhouse person living in a way that I knew to be illegal and I knew that if I was in one area and I wouldn't
get in trouble for breaking the law in that area, I would stay there because in my mind whether or not you personally have ever arrested, right? It's not about that. It's about the like what is the potential outcome of living in a way
that breaks the law and knowing knowing that you're breaking the like the potential outcome in my head would for that would be jail, right? Even if that's not necessarily what actually happens to people who are like approached in an area where they are
visible, right? the the experience of of living under this the continual question of am I about to get legally punished for
being alive is is a is a heavy one. And so I hear you saying they keep setting up their camp again. And also my question is still like what what other choice do they have if they know that there are going to be legal
ramifications if they go anywhere else? Well, like he said, there is zero places in Greenfield that you can do this legally, right? So I I word of mouth is a pretty big thing and there's a lot of unhoused people, none of whom have been arrested for being unhoused. So if that
is their fear, I don't know why. It's not because it grief. The police department put it in their head. Um, they keep going back there. Again, I will reiterate, I've been here 30 years, and there has been unhoused people for 30 years. Um, at one point in time,
there was a place we called the jungle. And it wasn't us who named it. It was the people who lived in the jungle named it the jungle. And where that was was over the tracks. Um, if you're familiar with the old Herms Lot, Ryan and Casey's in between Mile Street or Middle Street
and and Main Street, there's a large wooded area owned by mostly by the railroad. And it was sort of an out of sight, out of mind camp. And there were, I think at times 100 people living there. Uh, they chose to be there and it wasn't until the ra the actual railroad
decided we got to clean it up and they bulldozed the whole place. I feared that at the time as a person who was walking the beat and said all of these individuals are going to end up on Main Street. And right now, yes, they're out of sight, out of mind. They were coming out. They were getting their daily needs
met and getting the stores for snacks and coffees and waters and things of that nature and they'd returned back to the what we called the jungle. Um, to get rid of that, put them on the sidewalks of Main Street and it wasn't really the best thing. And and I had
said to many people back in the day that I would walk through the jungle at two o'clock in the morning with my two-year-old daughter and feel more comfortable than walking down Main Street. Uh they just wanted to be there and and that is the same thing that is happening today.
I think you you really you really hit on something there, Chief, which is the railroad was private property, right? And a lot of the places in town which might otherwise be safer or more convenient are privately owned. Right?
So it's up to those land owners, those property owners to say, you know, I can't have anybody in the cemetery. I can't have anybody on railroad property or things like that. So, I think that's also kind of contributing to this where, you know, if the city has never arrested
a homeless person, but the city-owned property that is available for being homeless, you know, is limited to the undesirable land, then and I don't want to speak for, but I did caution the mayor that that's not something the city can we can't you can't allocate a spot
because then you're essentially you're you're condoning homelessness. You can't do that. And the liabilities that come with that are huge. And and even in that conversation, and we've talked about this again for decades, if you did find a spot like
that, one particular loca, they're going to spread back out to where they want to go. You can't assume you're going to put every single unhoused person in what you feel is a more safe, convenient location and think they're going to stay. The vast majority of these unhoused are
choosing to be unhoused. Not all, the majority are choosing. And we know them very well. We know them very well. They're choosing to be there. And the reason why they're choosing to be there is because they didn't want to live under other people's rules. They lived
in community public homes. They've lived in group homes. They've lived in their own apartments, their own houses. They left that life. They didn't like it because people people told them what to do. And they're just not good at following that. I'm not saying they're rulebreaking. I'm just saying they live
a more wild lifestyle. They don't want to live as you see as a conventional way of living. And again, they're choosing this. They they they're out there in the middle of winter. I don't know how I can never survive. But um I think the majority of who you're seeing, we deal with them
regularly. We bring them supplies all the time. Um you if something happens, like I said, what more evidence do you have? they get completely obliterated by a flood and a day later they're set back up and I don't know nine times out of 10 we're the ones giving them the tent
again and all the stuff right so um we're not condoning it but we're also making sure they're safe and you know we we are the ones ground pounding the edges of the banks before the storm and after the storm uh and and again it's it's surprising yeah every time they're going to build
they're going to set shop up again back in the same place so we need to give them stuff we we feel good every day that we deliver them supplies. It's a much bigger issue. You're not you're not going to find one particular place in Greenfield and say, "Hey, here's our new homeless encampment," and
expect them all to just graciously move there and think it's a good thing. I I don't see that happening. Do you agree? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think like there's, you know, nobody would call the Winslow building a homeless encampment, right? Because it's like a legal place to live, right? And so I think the the not so
much condoning illegal camping, but if there was a place where it was legal and rules, you know, and so that runs up against, you know, your concern about following rules and living under somebody else's rules, but if there was just like the Winslow, it's legal to live in an apartment. If there was a
place where it was legal to live in a tent, pay a lease, abide by the rules, you have a board, you know, whatever it is. Um, is there is there something like that? I think was part of the bigger conversation. Well, that's sort of what we were talking about. But I mean, so
one thing that the I just sorry I just wanted to add that Larry added in the chat that folks get moved along when they camp anywhere other than the dog park or behind Greenfield Gardens. And I know that Larry that's coming from your direct experience working with folks and hearing their stories. So thanks for
contributing that. Okay. So, I guess yeah, that's kind of the central. This is I think this is the thing that I'm a little confused about is um so
so first of all, if someone sets up a a tent on private land, the land owner can call and have them remove the roof. That's the definition of private land, right? The ones that are likely moveable, right? That makes sense. But if someone set up a tent in um like that building that we looked at
next to um Franklin Medical Center. Yeah. Well, it's that's a deep that's deep street. Yeah. Like a big If someone put up a tent there, you're saying that it is not a priority for the Greenfield
Police Department to move that person along if they're on public land and they're Not I guess this is kind of what I'm asking. I didn't say anything. Yes. Right. Yes, you're right. You're exactly right. You did not say anything like that. Um I'm trying really hard to ask
this question without putting you on on a spot. Um we triage calls. Yes. Right. Right. Of course. I I guess the I guess so if someone who was living in a flood plane and and either did not want to or
was not able to live in a shelter or in some other in an apartment or something. if they set up on a different piece of public land that was that wasn't a flood plane but was still public um and they didn't break any laws or
ordinances besides living in a tent. Do you think that it would be reasonable for them to expect to be evicted from that new setup like um proactively by us? No. Okay.
there are other pressures put on us by other entities, okay, that we have to triage and prioritize. So, um, every time something like that happens, it's it's a cause and effect. Okay. Another
group will say something. Gotcha. Can I add to that? Come up to if you want. Perfect example. That's the town. Okay. Right. We don't just move everybody out of the way. We don't we don't proactively enforce that type of thing. Okay. And the town common is exactly the
perfect example because I happen to be the midnight sergeant at the time that that went on and people were like, "You're not kicking us out of here." We're like, "No, you're not doing anything wrong." It was a collective decision on the city to create a rule that made it no longer allowable for
them to be there. That's partly how the common comm um became what it was because we didn't there was there was a l so the that one specific location back then was
not outlined in the statute. Okay. Right. So that the town common was the one piece of town home land that was not regulated by the 10p to two or sorry 10p to 6a. They changed that now. So again, it wasn't attractive, right? And again,
everybody, and I can assure you, it wasn't led by the police department. Um, everybody who had any interest in this was trying to figure out ways of getting these people off the common. Why? Because it's in your face. They didn't want it. Um, so I think the end result
came up. Oh, well, we got to plant new grass. Okay. And that's we got to we got to maintain the comp and and that's the way they ultimately got people out, right? We we move people from private property and closed public lands. That's where we
move people from. That's all we've ever done. Like he said, he's been here longer than me, 30 years. I've been here for almost 20. But just if I may throw out an observation, have any of you guys asked any of the on- house people to come to these meetings? Yes, we so well
kind I mean just because I notice there's a lot of speculation about what if what if what if and if they appreciate bringing this up. I I really appreciate you bringing this up because I um got really frustrated a little bit with an email chain that happened recently. Um I hope this isn't petty of
me to say. Maybe I don't know. I'm will Okay. You don't know. Okay. Well, anyway, all I'll say is um we we have members of this committee who are unhoused and there are a lot of practical obstacles between them and being here. But anyway, sorry,
I didn't mean to interrupt. Yeah. No, supposed to have um a member, we have a member of the committee who currently lives at the dog park and um and she wanted to bring guests today, but we were we were told that we shouldn't add guests without prior. That's public
comment. Well, it was public comment. they were invited to come with public comment because once you have an agenda and they were offered also to come in July although I would offer that right now we are technically off agenda with additional speakers. I'm really glad
you're here. But we are off agenda with the digital speakers who were not on the agenda, right? Who are contributing something incredibly valuable. But I think that because you are extremely comfortable in this building, you are wellrespected members of the
town and we know who you are. You are grandfathered in and also public comment. And then it's also at the discretion of the chair. So anyone can speak like so just to be told that because you're not on the agenda you can't speak during the meeting isn't necessarily true. Can I just add one
other thing that I want to be sure everybody knows about. Because of the open meeting law we decided that housing greenfield would take would invite the unhoused. This is based on previously wisty I can never say her last name. So
her previous conversation, we have talked many times about wanting them to be here. And again, if they don't feel comfortable coming into city hall, then that's why we said, where else can we have a community with the unhoused and nip the two
together? That's what we're planning to do. And they're planning a gathering, but it can't be this group because of the open meeting thing. So, Housing Greenfield is planning to invite any unhoused and do a community involvement with them. We're hoping that that will
start to to stop this thing where we all sit around thinking what's best for them. I was unhoused. Um and and Christy is is currently unhoused. Larry knows what it's like to be unhoused. So, we had a number of us um
who have had that that experience. I will add one other quick thing. It was my understanding because I wasn't living here at the time that the common became a lot of people who were not unhoused who just decided to join the unhoused campsite on the common. Am I correct
about that? I I had moved. You are. But we learned. So my point in that is we learned a whole heck of a lot during that time, right? And a lot of it remains true today. And that what we learned was why are you unhoused? Why?
Why? How can we fix it? We asked a lot of questions. We were very curious at the time to try to figure out what was going on. There was some defiance there like here we are and and it was you have a whole range. There's no there's no like cookie cutter person that took up
residence on the common. It was a whole variety of things. But some some who were willing to be very very brutally honest with us made it aware that they just they in their last place they were living in they destroyed it like I we're not good at this right so um they ended
up being what we would call maybe hoarders or some things like that right and then the landlords would come down on them and it cost the landlords a lot of money to clean up after they left and then of course how do you how's your reference working out for your next place right so they ended up really slam
hamming a lot of doors on themselves in terms of where they're going to be able to live. And and again, that was a sizable amount. Other others were simply, we just don't want to live and listen to anybody. We we just like it out here. This is free. Um none of them that I remember wanted to break any
rules. None of them were intentionally doing that. Some would challenge us because again, they're defiant, but um they wanted to live safely, cleanly. You know, I think at one point we put I think we put bathrooms down there, right? Um, but again, some would have
some would still be there today if if things weren't changed. It's just where they're where they're going to stay. So, um, it's it's a big question. It's a really big question. And I don't I don't know that we're ever going to get rid of that lifestyle in its entirety. Some are just choosing to do it. And one, we want
to keep them safe. One of the projects at this committee so far has been to develop a survey um that's going to be distributed both digitally and face toface um both through the library and possibly through some other folk uh some other spaces in town um because
because knowing that there are a lot of barriers to both our unhoused committee member coming to meetings and other voices being present in this room. We want to get as many voices as possible into the conversation. Yeah. Who are
living the direct experience and I am really curious and really hopeful that we will get some good information from folks about answers to some of the questions that you were raising. I I have just a practical question. This
Howy Greenfield, but when when is this meeting going to happen? I don't know. Susan Morgathic sets up the meetings and it came um it came as part of a discussion mostly from this group because we can't I know that we
can't what you can't do. So I mean I have her phone number we don't have a date of blending the community in but I will say that when Wisti came each and every person in the in the city of Greenfield can have a private conversation or a public conversation and ask them their story. It's really
critical to get a story and it's also really critical to know it's also really critical to know that they they like their privacy. It's why they're out in the woods. It's like why they go back. So, you have to honor the fact that they
like to be in a private area as well. As far as when housing Greenfield, who spent years working on the unhoused with Mary McClintuk and all of the notes that we have, sorry, I have to take this call. Thanks. But I can I can be the one
to reach out. Yeah. Thank you. Um to Susanic about how fast we can do the community building. We had some chats pop up, too. Oh, yeah. Thank you. So, but can I just to follow? I mean, first of all, I want to commend the the the uh
the police department for um for not arresting people for, you know, for this infraction. Doesn't help anything. It doesn't. And and it seems like over the years, you know what people want. We know what people want. I mean, we don't need another I mean, people can do all
the surveys and write papers as they want, but it seems like, you know, we know that we need to to come up with sanitary solutions. Um, and you know, I don't know how you you say, "Oh, I'm living on the flood
plane. Could you move up a little bit so you don't get flooded out?" But that's, you know, that's just my my quirk. Um but but I think we we already know what they and I hate to you know make them they but but what they want. Um and and
so I think our our our mandate is to is to supply sanitation and you know and you you noted you know there's so much trash because we don't have bags. We don't have you know so the two sanitations bathrooms and toilets
and and and people. Yeah. The thing we tried from the police department's perspective, like we're the main thing I try to let everybody realize is we're fighting this from two sides. It's not just a single dimensional thing. So for every
individual living that way, we get complained about it from another individual. And we really have to balance where we're go. We're criticized. It's it's you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Right? So we're either trying to I know that's your position for But it's all of
us. But we face those criticisms every day. And the fact of the matter is is we have we have a large really compassionate group of officers working for the police department that are pulled hard in two different directions. Again, if someone's living unhoused and
doing what we're talking about here, there is at least one and likely more complaining about that person living out. All of that falls into our mandate and we are left with the struggle of trying to mediate this and meet somehow
in the middle. But the the end result is we never can make the right choice. We can never make the right decision. We are always upsetting somebody in our actions. That's a tough place to be because everybody calls us. This person's now
living in my back. We saw this with the benches. I had been here again the amount of time I said I've seen what happened with benches. I was the one I was desperately seeking that the benches get moved. Why? Because I didn't want Main Street sidewalks to be a
recreational area. Recreational areas are parks. There's a park 60 ft away with the benches so that people now do park-like things in a park. They're doing it on a sidewalk. That was I was challenged and I was antihomeless. That's the most ridiculous thing I could
ever hear because we do so much for the unhoused people here. We are constantly taking trips to West Springfield back and forth getting socks, underwear. Um, I mean, the deputy chief and I have loaded up four SUVs so that we had to
lean forward driving back from Springfield. All of the stuff we got was for our unhoused population. That was just us. The entire department has done that. We have gone down with our S so that big truck and filled it several times. It's hard to hear that stuff, but we are there for the unhouse population.
We really are. Um but I just want you and the public to know that we are challenged on the other side. Everything we do is challenged. So um we're we're just going to act from our heart and do what we believe is the right thing to do and that is to continue to make sure they're safe.
We go to we proactively walk to their campsites and we check on them and make sure they have clean socks and clean clothes. And you know, we were talking more recently about how do we set up showers, you know, where can they go to take a shower? And when they're taking
that shower, can we create bags of clothes that they can change into, right? Because how are they going to ever succeed at anything if they're just living in the same clothes for six months? Some may want to get a job. I don't know. But we're we're actively
trying to help with those things. But again, it's it's a tough thing. We get beat up from every direction possible. Um I want to add a couple of things that have been put in the chat. Wid added some of the common population talking back about the the Greenfield Commons.
Some of the common population were advocates who came out to raise the unhoused issue by camping out. Also other unhoused from other areas came to make a statement and have a place to stay. And then Larry also added, "I appreciate everyone's experience here. I've been working with unhoused folks
for eight years and everything I've said is not my opinion. It's from unhoused folks directly." And that yesterday Larry gave out 20 pairs of sneakers and socks. Wow. That's awesome. I think I also just wanted to share I had a call with Eric Tars from the
National Homelessness Law Center. Um, which was exciting to reach this person. Um, and I I think they have some nuanced concerns around sanctioned encampments because they don't want it to be like become a thing where it's ideally an
interim solution until there's enough indoor shelter for anyone who wants it. And they also don't want it to be like a sanctioned encampment where then everywhere else is no camping allowed and then it just like is a forced like a
ghetto. Yeah, exactly. They don't want that either. So the idea is more so maybe sanctioned encampment might have some connotations that around liability and maybe it's not exactly what we're going for. It's maybe more just like organized with services like adequate
trash and sanitation, showers, that sort of thing. Um, so yeah, and bathrooms and also I was curious to hear more about you're saying that like the curfew or is 10 p.m. And but you're saying that for
parks, but you're but not for because the ordinance says like public land in general, but you're saying and it says like it's subject to arrest without a warrant, which hasn't happened, but like the and and also the encampment like
eviction timeline because Eric Tar was also saying that ideally 90 days should be what people are given, which is of course you can't really give that if someone's like camping at like on a school property or like there's situations where that doesn't make sense
and if it's on private property but I'm I was just curious if like there were there was a policy around um if someone is camping in an inappropriate spot then so the the town parks thing is is that's a ordinance that's been around for a long long long time and it's it's not
something created by again your police department some groups of people back in the day felt we don't want people in the parks between it may have been a police department who brought it to the attention of a council or a select board or something and said, "Hey, we're having a lot of problem in town parks." Can we make an ordinance? I don't know.
I don't know the history of it. Um, but our officers at night, their job, and they're very good about it, is to check places. They do premise checks like we've never done before. They're checking everywhere. Uh, they come across people in the local parks and and
in many cases have found people who are in need of something. So, I'm glad they're there checking. uh at the same time simultaneously they're saying but also have to leave you got to get out of the park. Um there were times where poet tower is a town park and we would lock
the gate that was part of our daily routine at you know we the night shift would come on they do a little cruise through and make sure all the cars were out we drive out lock the gate take off uh and so nobody got hurt in the middle of the night and the parks were closed. Um, I don't remember,
uh, not to say it hasn't happened, I don't remember when we've ever or in a long time that we've arrested someone for simply being in a town park after that hour. So, um, to answer the question about moving, yeah, there's no there's no specific guideline as to like
how much notice we give. Um, the most recent one that I know was really tough on individuals was uh, there was a group camping in the cemetery. Yeah, we city don't own a cemetery. So, it's a privately owned cemetery. And again, they came to us for assistance in getting them to move. We worked out a
mediation with them to say, "Can you give us a little bit?" Like, you know, they this particular group could have said, "No, we want them out right now. This is our property. Get them out. They're trespassing." And our conversation was um can you can you meet us in the middle a little bit so that we can give them a little warning? They got a lot of stuff there. And they worked
with us. So again, there's nobody I know on this department that's aggressively looking to kick people out of anywhere and and they also know that there is a bit of work that goes into relocating everything you own, right? So I think we ended up with a week or so at that. It
was maybe two weeks at the at the depending on location like the one that had the the one up at the um we gave them a month. Yeah. Yeah. We worked with the people who had the property and they didn't want them with an agreement. They had like stoves running and smoke and there was all kinds of stuff which was
concerning them. It's a liability for the private property owners. We get it. But again, even in those cases, we work sort of as middle people to to mediate it and say, "Hey, these people have all their stuff. Can can you give us a minute?" And and they worked with us.
So, um none of us are eager to just be bullies and go in and kick people out of places. There's we get nothing from that. It really doesn't benefit us at all. Um, I know that our officers have physically helped carry stuff for some of these people because it's not easy to
move all your stuff. Um, they've got them to the hospital. They've got them to resources they need. Um, and I think actually in this case probably your people that weren't choosing to be homeless. They actually would love to have a place. They just didn't. So, um, but again, we're we're trying to work at
all angles. But to answer your question, I'll ask you. You know, you're you're the police officer and you swore to a particular job and a private property owner is telling you, "I don't want them on my property." What do you do? Because technically they're right. Yeah. And they have the right to kick them off. They have the right to press
charges. They have the right to get them arrested and they have the right to do all this stuff. What your police department doing is fighting against that and hoping to come up with some middle ground. And we haven't charged one person. just worked out that transition for them. But at the end of the day, do we
have to make sure they move yet? We can't allow them to stay on the property. Okay. Well, should we stick to go back into this agenda or how I don't know what I mean, we're we're in it technically, but like what's
what do folks feel like is a priority? I think we should definitely talk about this survey. I don't know if we also want to talk about the equitable approaches to public safety while we have survey can be brief. I think I would rather talk about funding and
that's coming from the east. Okay, great. So let's yeah um so let's someone make a motion to I motion talk about survey second. Great
paper everybody. Great. Thinking Larry's nothing. Yes. Stay in Oregon. Larry also added in the chat that he gives out supplies daily like bug spray and sunscreen. I can't
talk sunspray and other things. Um so last meeting we talked about the survey flyer. I added a shortened earl so that it's easy to find and remember. that somewhere beside. Yep. And I'm gonna pass these out. Um please
everybody I have some at home still. So everybody take a few and put them up wherever you would like to put them up anywhere that you think would be a good spot. So take two or three and pass them on. Um and the piece that I wanted to
bring back to committee is a one-page paper version of this survey. It can be filled out alone or with somebody helping. Um, it is exactly the same content as what is on the digital survey. I wanted to
ask, and this is something that I didn't include in the original survey and didn't think about it until I had this on paper. I wanted to ask if we want to put a contact information number, email, something on this survey
or not. Right now we don't have one which means that it is a unidirectional thing where people can give us information and then we can reach back out if they give us their contact information. But right now there is no way for people to contact us about this
survey or about the work that this committee is doing. I I have I can see the pros and cons of doing this of putting a contact number on the survey. Um, my concern is primarily that we are
a small group and that we are working with pretty limited resources entirely on volunteer time. And I don't I don't want us to become a resource clearing house vector where people are reaching out to us with questions that we're not
equipped to answer. Um, so I wanted to just bring that to the group and and ask how are feeling about that. Um, why don't we just have like an email? You know what I mean? Then people could
send us an email and it would be a more direct point of contact, but there wouldn't be that pressure to get right back to them and it wouldn't necessarily be an organizing site. It would just be like, right, you have our email address. you can send us an email and and it's not
like we would have to all be answering our phones all the time or want to be answering our phones all the time. That's assuming anyone does want to get in touch with that. I also don't really know how that works with the city like this is a city project like would we
need to use a city email? Does it matter? Does it not matter because we're a subcommittee of the subcommittee? Um I I just don't know if that interacts with like my perspective comes from like a lover of civics and process. I we
already have publicly posted meetings. We have public comment periods. We have a chair who can put somebody on an agenda if they have a specific viewpoint that we want to have like a major discussion about. And also, you know, I like I avail myself to the community. If somebody wants to get in contact with a
task force member, they can talk to me as well if they want to they want to share things. I I would pause to like have another means for people to contact the committee outside of those like kind of normal ways just because then you would you potentially invite a meeting
law violation or you know something getting lost in the sauce. So, I like her answer better than mine. And that's exactly why I didn't put one on here yet. And just wanted to like I I think what I'm really asking is do we as
a committee feel comfortable putting the survey out without adding an additional contact means? Yeah. No, I think so. I think the four corners of the survey is like you said ostensibly a one-way seek of information. And then we've already discussed other ways that we could have
a public dialogue or or event or things like that. Yeah, I think it's for the purpose of just we're trying to receive some information. If someone Googles us then they it pulls up on the website and my name and number and email is there for this committee and we're all listed
on it. So like if someone really wanted Okay. Get in touch. And yeah, and we just added in the chat, is the counselor Brown email an option? And I think that that is exactly what you're saying is that if someone were to go looking, right, even at the most like basic
level, they would find you. And so find an appropriate method. Okay. Um, great. So, I I guess I'll move that we approve this paper survey as a committee and then I can work with Sarah to um get
more of these printed and start making decisions about where we can um where we can start conducting the surveys. I will also say in in conversations with Larry that we feel that it's really important to have plenty of these hard
copies. We all know that some of them can do a QR code, but I we're going to need people with clipboards and the hard copy and we need to choose the locations besides I know Pamela McBride has talked about the library is perfect, but then maybe from
the co-op, but sooner the better, right? Yeah. So, um could I make a motion that we have at least three locations for the hard copy? Um and then you know we'll do the best circulating these as
well and then we need to choose dates for that and people I think you know make a suggestion that you also um and you probably have already thought of this it goes to stone soup it goes to this the food
centers um and the dinner you know dinner eats the eats summer eats program um because I know we're summer eats pro stop that would be another place my Yeah. Community meals at the churches like that. And I remember we didn't put
a deadline on. We We need to know when we're finished with that so that sitting down and going through them all. Well, I saw we intentionally didn't put a deadline on it because we wanted to be able to receive feedback continuously.
You know what I mean? Yeah, there there may certainly be a point at which we're like we can't there's nobody to look at the data anymore, right? But at this point, um since we especially don't have like an end date specifically for when
this work stops, um I think it makes sense to have this be open and see what kind of responses we get. My guess is that there will be a a slow pickup and then there will be a a time when this has like gotten out into the community
and we're getting more responses and then it will drop off because people will have taken the survey. Um, but that's just a guess. Pamela, I'm just making suggestions. But, um, we have found when we do surveys that if you
have an end date, even if it's um, maybe not an official, but if you give people a date, then you're more like then people will be like, "Oh, I have to fill that out." Instead of saying, you know, I'll do it tomorrow. So we find like you know if you give that three month and
then at at the end of the three months you say hey have you filled that out yet? Um I think it sometimes people need that time frame. That's really helpful. Thank you. Um we could we do everything we do has an end date. Yeah. Especially with the paper
surveys, we could sort of say to people like we're collecting these answers through the summer, which is both non-specific for us, which is nice, but also clear. The reality is you're not shutting it down, right? You know, you give an end date. Nothing's
changing. Not just if you did it seasonally, you know, people, you know, because that, you know, people change. So, they can still keep putting information in past the end date. Yeah. Still valuable. Yeah,
back to the survey question and and and this um one of the things you said chief there are some people who just really want to be free want you know live a kind of anarchist life take care of
themselves and and you said there are also people who would like to be housed are there in place I could be idiat or various places where people get counseling to to get the housing that they want.
those who want housing that's on the survey like we well it's a it's a survey question but but if if I when you're talking with people and someone says I would like to be housed so you can direct them in the direction
of they're pretty well versed on their options their resources my experience may have but yeah they know they know the people out there yeah and part of the survey question is what are the resources you are aware of, have you accessed them? If not, you know, why
haven't you? Because we all know, right, community action is wonderful, right? There's community health workers at the health center, all these things, but we don't know what those barriers are. And that's why we're asking because it could be something as simple as ours. It could be culture. It could be all those things. It could be there are limits to the resources they provide that I don't
fit right because I am XYZ. Simply bad assumptions. Yeah. Thanks. Does anybody know um a rough date on when the whale street is finished? Because that's you used to have that in your in your head somewhere Sarah
because you know that when when that is finished a whole section or maybe the entire big section has services and that's that was that was the big plus. So, if you get housed and you have your services there
helping you to stay housed, I mean, I can't wait until that happens for those people who do want a place to live, a roof over their head, and you know, it's coming down the pike. They're making progress, but
um is there any talk of like right of first refusal on that? Does anybody know? Because what I envision from what I've seen in the past is you're just going to see a whole boatload of new faces, none of whom have spent any time in Springfield. Are we giving are we
giving um an edge to those who are unhoused in our community first before taking people elsewhere? That's a really good question. And I don't think that we have is anyone in direct contact with the folks who are doing Wall Streets,
isn't it? That's CSO. So we haven't had I just wanted to go off of that. So I had actually mentioned to officer Smith earlier that I had um just checked in on a car that was parked in like a weird space and I was like, "Hey, I just wanted to make sure you guys are okay. It was a hot day. This is probably a
month ago." Um, and their response to me was, "You can't talk to me because it's a sanctuary city and I'm unsheltered and and Greenfield is safe for me and you can't ask me any questions." That was literally their response to me. And I was like, "I'm sorry. I just wanted to make sure if you needed anything. I've never seen you before. It's unusual for a car to be here. Just didn't know if
you're broken down or anything like that." So, that's sometimes the response. And these people weren't from this community whatsoever. They had uh they had found out through the grapevine, not grape vine grapevine, but through word of mouth that Greenfield was the place to be if you were
unsheltered. So, um, that spins off of the fact that there are a whole bunch of people that have been citizens of Greenfield looking for resources and trying to get everything that we are now it's becoming that Greenfield is where you should go if you want a place to get all your supplies and a place to stay and all these services, which is great
and not so great at the same time because we are stretched really thin in what we're able to do from people that have been here that we've been trying to support. So, just food for thought on that piece. Yeah. Um, including cso in our conversations
is one of our next steps actually. Um, they're on our short list of people to bring in and speak at a meeting. It's a good idea. Yeah. If I I I can almost guarantee you if that conversation is
not had, CSO is a big big wealthy organization. You are just going to see all new faces in Greenville. and they don't they're not going to process the ones that are currently unhoused and want to be housed first. They won't do that. So, I I think it's
it's important. One of our priorities I think that we've established as a committee is to integrate and like coordinate people as much as possible in terms of the recommendations that we make rather than like siloing, you know, they're going to do this and they're going to do this and they're going to do
this. the more that we can have everybody aware of what's happening and the more that we can build bridges between the kinds of projects like Wall Street that are happening, then the more we're going to be able to actually offer people what they need. Um, and that's
something that we have started to hear from one of the people who filled out the survey, which is basically like, I know who to go to, but none of those people are talking to each other. And so, I need X, Y, and Z. And like, I go to them and they say, well, you can't
come to us because of this reason. I go to somebody else and they say, "You can't come to us because of this reason." but they don't know how to how to find what they're looking for because nobody is talking to each other in the service provision. Um so and and that
again comes back to like city services versus private services versus you know regional services like those it's hard to get everybody on the same page and and the people who suffer because of that are the people who are trying to access the services and run into barriers.
Um, so did we want to think about like just to go back to the survey like think about like any inerson tableling or just we'll figure that out offline with whoever wants to do that. We don't have to like choose date and it's like on
camera. But can we talk about locations because I think that the scheduling piece is is best offline but like maybe talk about location. We've identified the library, right? Yeah, you're welcome to to we can schedule tableabling there. And um and in fact uh the three county
continuum of care is doing a donation um they're setting up their annual um summer donation drive on Monday, July 7th. Also the day that you're there at the library, the coffee and the coffee.
Um and I think also the Greenfield Health Center may be there also. So if you wanted to table on that day, that seems good. July 7th. July 7th. Yep. So COC is going to be there 10 to 1.
10 to 1. But you know, anytime during that time frame, if you want a table, we can do that. Just reach out to me and we can set everything up. So do that. Also provide this to the executive director of Nelquet. A lot of their patrons that come in there are dealing with this. I
can send this if you have do you have this in a digital version? Yes. So the the um little half page flyer has a QR code on it and the I just like if I could email it to her that that link will bring you to the survey. Yep. Got it. Yeah. And and actually I just want
to actually clarify something super important which is that the more that the survey gets distributed digitally the better rather than in paper because we have to collect these right we can't if we just put them out somewhere it becomes somebody else's
responsibility to know where they are and keep track of them and I don't want us to lose survey responses because of that. So for something like send it against So for something like sharing it with Nquit, please share it with Nquit, but
send them the link rather than trying to like give them a stack of of Yeah, I can I can give her a copy of this to post. We can post the police department and then I can also send the link out to the other agencies. I'm part of a few different task force. So I will send it out to all them like the victim services
people that are interested in the court as well. Um maybe something that I can do is I can send out to the committee a digital copy of the flyer. Um but I can also maybe we can attach it somehow to the meeting notes so that people can
find it through the notes of this meeting. Um yeah. So so um in terms of like going and giving people the survey or having them fill it out in person, um we've talked about the library. I would love to on some kind of schedule
whenever people have the availability to bring it to cooling centers and talk to folks who are there. Um what Wildflower is a good spot, right? We can give a stack to Larry and every
time Larry's in Wildflower, he can be having them available. Um which I know we talked about before. Are there other places that people feel like would be a good spot? So, I wrote down Stone Soup, Library,
Summer Eats, Wildflower, maybe in front of the co-op, but I don't know where Summer Eats takes place at various places. So, with uh at the library, the food truck comes on Tuesday nights. On Monday nights, it's at skate park. It's at Just Roots one night. It's at the Y
Monday through Thursday for lunch. Wonder if you could just ask. Yeah, I bet Greta imagine Greta senior center could be as a senior center. Greta um um I can never say her schwan sure. Anyway, she runs
the GPS school food program. Um, but I was also wondering like I think this flyer like fosters and like the convenience stores and the little marts because you know for people who you know they're going to get supplies but they're not necessarily in any of the
other spots. Private fitness is where many of them go to shower is so cheap. Also the little um cafe seating area big I know is a popular spot. the pavilion like it's just
so I will send out a digital copy of the flyer and I mean I I brought I don't know how many 16 12 um and then people can print as many as you would like. Yeah, I'll bring them to the community meals at the churches. Yeah. And I've
just posted it onto our police Facebook page and a little about I was very clear that the answers are anonymous and provided directly to the unhoused community ad hoc committee so that they don't think they're coming to us
perception of how people are doing that. Um in terms of the digital survey right now I am the only person who has access to those answers. Um the paper survey obviously people would be able to read um but that's something that we can
revisit too. Like if we get a ton of answers I might not be able to do all of that data crunching by myself. Um but for right now it literally just comes to me and that's it. And who's making copies of the hard copy
you decide? Um, I printed one today in case we wanted to make changes to it. But now that it's approved, um, I can include this as a digital file and as a PDF and then um, I guess I can I can
take that on for right now. I'll just I'll be responsible for printing it and starting to distribute to once we coordinate who's who's going to be at like Stone Soup or who's going to be at um the summer eats, I can make sure to go to people's hands or if
you're just call you and say, "Can I have a few?" Well, or if you are going to summer eats, you know, area and you want to take them with you, you can always just print out a few. Um Sarah and I talked about that briefly in terms of like
money. Uh yeah, I don't really know the answer to that. Maybe we can ask the downstairs. Okay. If they can practice, that's a great idea. Yeah. Okay. I was just we were going to set up just a couple of stations in the library where they can just pick this up or and we
will post the flyer. Take a QR code like in the lounge in the bathroom. And the library is a much more like sort of contained space. So it it might make sense if your staff is willing, right, to have them on a table
somewhere maybe without a person necessarily. Oh, that's what we will do. We will set up we will set up a little flyer and a station and it'll it'll be there for people to access and then like we can come in and collect they get collected and put in a folder and got and then you can come get them. Perfect.
Which is a little different than the summer eats because that's like it's a mobile truck, right? So, somebody's got to be there with a clipboard. Um, so we should choose time before the sands drip down and there's something else. Choose a what? Choose
the next meeting time. Okay. And then I have one last thought. Okay. Yeah. Or I can do my last thought. Yeah, sure. Can I just ask if is there somebody who could price the portable showers for camping? You know, like it's a little thing you
stand in it, fill a water, a little river or whoever, and then you get a shower. So, and then I will call Amy Clark and find out if there's money for that kind of thing or if Larry has access to money or the sheriff's department might have because I really
am interested in seeing where else they can shower besides I think Planet Fuel is what you said. Planet Fitness. Planet Fitness. Sorry, not Planet Fuel. Okay. They're They're about 50 bucks each. They're about 50. Okay. If you Yeah, I'd
like to see I saw one at the dog park thing and um Yeah, I'd love to see that a few places. Thank you. A consideration for that is there needs to be a mailing address to send them to. Um and the one at the dog park is because Christy used my address to buy
it. Larry gets stuff sent to his house. Yeah. Yeah. I'll work on that. Thank you. It's two weeks from now. Good. July 10th 10 p.m. 10:00 a.m. Oh my god. I'm sorry.
Um, I'll be at work, but I hopefully I'll be able to come at work. I can do that. Works for me. Thank you. And it was so great having you all here as Yes. Thank you for being here. Come anytime.
This was a great discussion. Yeah, super. Oh, and I'm also remembering I wanted to make a quick announcement is that the um tomorrow is the mobile um health clinic thing. There's going to be a lot of people at GCC.
Sheriff is donating all 100 will be dies. Oh, okay. So, get there. Get there early. I just wanted to add the survey there. We didn't talk about justice today. Oh, yeah. And I didn't I just wanted to make sure if Anthony if you had something that you wanted to add. I
know that wid we've added a few things in the chat. Um but I just wanted to make sure Anthony if you had something you wanted to add as public comment that you have a moment to do so now the reporters. I appreciate it. I'm all good. I'm just
a fly on the wall. But thank you. Well thanks for being here. Thank you. Lost. Are you going to be there tomorrow? If you send me the files tonight, we're doing a we're popping up there. So, we
we can leave the flyer. I will make sure that the digital copies go out today and we can leave it. That'd be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I'll get a little tomorrow. Okay. But Okay. Uh yes.
Second, thank you. [Music]