As the chair of appointments and ordinances, I'm going to call this meeting to order at 6 30 and 45 seconds. This meeting is being recorded. And if anyone else is recording, >> you should speak up though, but just to
because it will record speak just speak up a little more. >> Oh, I thought I was speaking at a normal. >> It sounds a little quiet to me, but also by your >> Okay, I think I'm speaking at a normal volume. Um, but what I was saying is that if anyone else is recording, please let me know.
And I will begin this meeting with a roll call vote of roll call of members. >> That is true. >> Yes. >> You said a roll call vote. >> It a roll call of members. Okay.
Councelor Gordon >> here. Councelor Garrett. >> I am here. >> Williams here. Councelor Gullet is also here. Can I have a motion to accept the minutes? Oh, moved. >> Second.
>> Any discussion of the minutes? Nope. >> Okay, seeing none, we do not need to take a roll call vote because there is no one online. So, all those in favor? >> I that means
there are no orions. All right. Public comment. It's >> just an oddball question. Could I sign up for public comment just like move over technically? No, you can't. You're not a committee. Okay. >> Actually, is you are you? >> I'm pretty sure.
>> I don't want to test it. >> You can't you can't like be both at the same Okay, forget it. That was >> Let's keep it simple. >> Yeah, let's move. >> I would That's a good question. I would rather not. >> Well, it seems like double dipping to me. >> Yeah. Yes,
>> there was a city there was a school committee meeting which should happen. So it may be possible if we're actuallying the answer to that question. But let's let's move on to public hearings and there are none. So we can move on to motions. All right. And the first motion is on page 16.
Can somebody please read page 16? Order number FY26-037. The city council moved that it be ordered that the Greenfield City Council, pursuant to charter section 2-10, affirms the following appointments by the mayor to the following. Crossroad
Cultural District Committee, Bella Lavi, term to expire December 31st, 2026, short-term to maintain staggered terms. Michael Lent and Sarah Robertson, both terms to expire December 31st, 2028. Greenfield Local Cultural Council,
Hannah Rex Shaffen, term to expire December 31st, 2028. Majority vote required. >> Sorry. >> Any discussion? >> I appreciate these people volunteering as always.
>> Always. >> All those in favor? >> I >> I Okay. Anyone know the next page? >> This is a problem. It's like I just scroll up and down every time. >> Yeah. 27. Okay.
John, can you read this please? >> Yeah, quick. >> Okay. Uh, order number FY2639. The city council moved it to be ordered the importance and ordinance committee take from the table order number
FY26-008. Amend the code of the city of Greenfield is written the attach here to chapter 550 planning board sections 550-1 application form 550-7 appeals 550-11
application form and 550-3 review of applications and further amends the index of the code and further the non-substantial change to the number of the ordinance be permitted in order that it be in compliance with the numbering format of the code of the city of Greenfield which was tabled to July 9th
2025 appointments and ordinance committee meeting and would you like me we wouldn't read the second part unless we >> No, we need to vote first to take it from so I just need a second for that. >> Second. >> All those in favor of taking this from
the table. >> I >> I Okay. Can you read the second part? The second motion? >> Yes. If you give me a second to the meeting >> to catch up on my note takingaking here. I forgot to do the appointments, folks.
>> Thank you for doing that. >> Thank you for the reminders. And now we are >> going to forget. That's so tricky. >> It is. Yeah. Table dabling. I don't know. We're going to call it dababling. >> Dab. >> It's not accurate. Okay. So, that's where we're living. Appointments.
Um, thanks. No discussion. Okay. All right. >> Great. So bottom of page 27, can you read that please? >> Bottom of page. >> Yeah, the order there. >> Order number FY26-008.
Amend the code of the city of Greenfield is written the attached here to chapter 550, planning board sections 550-1 application form 50 550-7 appeals 550-11 application form and 550-3 review of applications and further
amends the index of the code. In further the non-substantive changes, the numbering of the ordinance be permitted in order that it be in compliance with the numbering format of the coded city of Greenfield. Majority vote required. >> Question. Wait, just we need a second. >> Second.
>> Yes. Question. Yeah. >> So, is this just ordering? So, something's in compliance or what's the sub substance of this, please? >> Sure. Yeah. No, this is what I spoke to. We can discuss that. >> Yeah. So now this is on for discussion
and you'll see it what we're just if it helps to read it. Yeah, this is what we're discussing. And so John John's the expert on this one. >> Yeah. No, Eric is truly expert. So I I spoke to him and I just forwarded everybody the email that he sent. So I'm just
>> Yeah, Eric Torak. So he's the one that submitted it. Yeah. >> It was neither the planning board nor the ZBA that was involved with this. >> And so it was strictly from him. So I'm going to read his email. Um you do have it. Uh, so it reads, "Good morning, councelor Garrett. Proposed amendments to the general ordinances are what I
call housekeeping amendments. For example, the Greenfield Monagu Transportation Authority no longer exists. The word town was replaced by the word city. Department of Planning and Development no longer has a permits manager. So that was amended to the Department of Planning and Development. Meetings are now held at city hall as the meeting location was amended. The
amendment under section 550-7 appeals was done to match the zoning ordinance amendment was adopted several years ago relative to appeals under the site plan review and approval section of the zoning ordinance. So um I spoke to him on the phone about it and so this is the substance of that conversation. He felt
it was not major changes because it was just matching the zoning ordinance which is chapter 200 a separate section. Okay. So I I feel personally comfortable having spoken, you know, and having, you know, presented this to you. So I think we should send this to the full council.
That's kind of where I'm at. It's not as substantive as I thought. >> Yeah. >> Because of those previous year amendments, which when we were here in July, we did not know about, >> right? >> So that would let us add some questions like is this a giant change? Do people know about this? Which is why we tight, which I think was the right choice, but
now we have better information. >> Yeah. Okay. Fine. did >> both. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Great. So, seeing no further discussion, all those in favor? >> I I those against? None. Same. None. Okay.
Great. >> I'm going to write the fiscal the order number on the notes. That makes sense. >> Yeah, that's Thank you. >> also, God bless her, goes back and watches the recordings of these meetings is my understanding. So, if you missed anything.
>> Yeah. Thank you, Tammy. And I am sorry that you have to listen to us so much, but we appreciate you. >> You're ready with that. If you could read the next one. >> Is it on next? >> It's on page 29. >> Great. Uh, order number FY26-040.
Uh the city council moved that be ordered that the appointments and ordinance committee take from the table order number FY260-10 sorry-010 amend the code of the city of Greenfield as written in the attached hereto chapter 590 zoning board of appeals
sections 590-7 regular meeting subsection A 590-9 application form and 590-16 relication and further amend the index of the code and further the non-substantive change to the numbering of the ordinance be permitted in order that it be in compliance with the numbering format of the code of the city
of Greenfield which was table at the July 9th 2025 appointments and ordinance committee meeting. Majority vote required. >> So we'll vote to take this from the table. All those in favor >> I against.
Okay. When you're ready to read the >> check check. All right. Uh, order number FY26-0110 or 26-0. Yeah, that was correct. Um, amend the code of the city of Greenfield is written in the attached here to chapter
590 zoning board of appeals sections 590-7 regular meeting subsection A 590-9 application form and 590-16 relication and further amends the index of the code and further that non-substantive changes to number of the ordinance be permitted in order that be in compliance to the
numbering format of the code of the city of Greenfield. Majority vote required. >> Second. >> Now for discussion. Do you want to >> This is the second half of that email that Eric sent. So I think >> I will rely on my previous phone.
>> Any questions about this one? >> I'm glad we're housekeeping. >> Yeah, me too. Yeah, that's good. >> It is good. Fine. >> Yeah. Okay. So, any more discussion? >> No. All those in favor? I >> I
>> stay against Okay, moving on. All right, so we are moving. So we have the section of our meeting. This is probably I'm just sharing this for your your orientation. You probably might know this from the previous meeting, but just so you know.
So our meeting, our agendas are separated into things we were anticipating voting on. So motions and then discussion things we're anticipating not voting on and and if there are new if there are ordinances or amendments to ordinances if they're under discussion and we haven't yet had a hearing on them we can't vote on them.
There are some things that are occasionally under discussion that don't require a hearing that we could vote on. Um but everything that is there currently I believe um would need would need a hearing which we would and this is for
everyone then we would have we're going to let Kathy know um which of these things we're ready to have a hearing about next time. >> So that's but we if it doesn't need a hearing nothing precludes us if we're all in agreement we could we could vote yes on something and pass it to the
council if it's listed under discussion. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, um, just bear with me for a sec. I'm going to make it easier for myself to see the agenda as we go. I'm opening it up in a different tab. All right. So, um, the first item
is the new zero emission first vehicle, zero emission first vehicle policy. >> Um, and I'm going to actually recommend that we table this. um in looking through it what I I'll also say just for orientation at the beginning of this
year um we just few of us kind of talked about our guiding principles first as a committee of what are we what are the basic things that we're looking for in the process >> and we agreed on equity they just happened to have all ease but equity
enforcability and expense >> and um and looking through this one this is really important and exciting >> um and to really >> enforce it and really have it. There's a lot of laws that are or template ordinances I think that are copied from
other places that have really good intent but if they're not structured properly at the beginning really don't lend themselves to implementation >> and so I think this is one of them that is that there's a lot of exciting this is really exciting and I want to see it
pass and in talking to councelor Garrett and councelor Wandowski we realized that there's a further discussion that we want to have before we bring this for public hearing and more discussion. Um, is there anything that you would Yeah, you would add to that. >> And in addition, Councelor Wolaski sent
us yesterday an updated version of it. So, what's currently in the packet isn't even the most recent version. >> That's true. >> And so, if we which >> I did not receive that. >> No, she's just sent it to >> I think I just forward it to everybody. Although my brain is a little fritzy, >> but we shouldn't forward it to all of
us. You just send it to Kathy. >> Unfortunately, I didn't. I thought I would. I was intending to, but I didn't. Okay, >> I for you the >> way to move slowly. It's a uh so yeah know I gave you guys the Eric tomorrow email but I never sent the uh >> okay
>> the thing from Laura >> I yeah I asked her I responded and I said I spent a lot of time with this one I don't want to have to go back and match and that'll take me more time I want the three of us to sit down and talk about it >> was yesterday too had a chance to look at it
>> me and the so I'm just curious before we so I'm going to propose that we table this and but also Um, also just want to hear if in reading it if you all had any thoughts or questions that you would want us to discuss in our
conversation about it. >> Yeah, >> just a timeline of implementation might be helpful. I know differentiz vehicle fleets different departments have >> different implementation timets. Like I think of schools and police being the biggest fleets obviously and
logistically it's going to be challenging. The other part was um the logistics of who will be ultimately in charge of making the decisions about what kind of vehicle and you know I think director >> pause you for one sec >> because I'm thinking about where I write
this down but I imagine you're going to be in the conversation and you can keep track of these questions. I don't need a track. >> I will do my best to >> So then then hold with me for a sec till I get to >> Yeah, I'm going to get I have a document with like tons of questions about it and
I will track your questions by writing them in the place where I will see them. So just just if you don't mind pausing so I can track these for you. >> Find out what these are. >> I think several committees have already picked
black. Could you repeat the questions? I'm going to write them in this shared document. >> If it's possible or reasonable to have timeline of implementation with different times for different departments depending on the scale of their vehicle fleets. So I think that
would be helpful for making this again going back to our guiding principles enforceable and fiscally possible because that's obviously with vehicles they're wicked expensive and you know something to consider. Um and there was a second one. Oh, just the um I think it
talks about Do you want me to slow up? >> No, I got it. >> Um the >> who makes the decision? >> Yeah. And there's a mention of at least in the first version of the department head, but then there's also a mention of the director of whatever Carol Collins's title is. I'm sorry I'm blanking on that.
>> Director of energy and sustainability. >> Thank you. Thank you. You're looking >> right. I'm cheating. >> No, still. And I think that having clarity on that would be helpful because you don't want to have people marching to different drummers, especially on a big policy. >> Yeah. >> So those are the two that immediately
came to mind when I looked at the first version again not having looked at this other version. I can't address them. >> Okay. And who makes the purchasing decision? The final >> where does the buck stop ultimately? Who's the ultimate decision maker? Um
>> okay. Or if there's I don't even know. if there's Okay, great. So on that who makes the final decision. So the question also in here was understanding if it's fiscally impossible to do this.
>> So who decides that >> right? That's a great question. >> Yeah. >> Um are you ready? Um yeah, similarly um I mean I think I
have I have lots of enforcement questions in general because I think um a lot of our code does a good job of saying who enforces a policy but not necessarily how a policy is enforced and I'm not sure if that's how much that might be on purpose. like
the Office of Energy and Sustainability gets to decide what enforcement looks like, but also I don't want to leave them hanging and like put it on all the onus on those folks to figure out what enforcement actually means. So, um I I guess my question is, you know, what do we mean when we say like this person
enforces it? What is that person supposed to do? And that might be something that we have to figure out as a body. Um and that's fine. My other question is how this policy is going to account for charging infrastructure which is
potentially about to be decimated um in terms of like federal funding and support. So I'm sure that department heads would take that into account but I think that we should make it explicit. >> Yeah. questions. I can't think of anything
else on my Well, um, if you Is there something? >> Nope. That's just our square up at the top. Um, yeah. If you have any other questions, if you if thoughts come up,
if you could email them to councelor Wandlesi, councelor Garrett, or myself just to help us track, that would be great. >> Okay. Um, I think it's a great >> Yeah, agreed. The one other thing I sure mentioned on this
>> this is part of that green communities designation or there's a new climate leader designation which is a new >> designation and I think we're no I am sure we're four out of the six pieces of it already we've done them um and the last two are this and the green building
code the stretch code whatever they call it >> okay >> which the stretch code is an even bigger >> stretch code is a beast >> it's a beast and there's been legitimate criticisms of it from all sorts places. I think that's an even weightier discussion. >> So, but that's that's absolutely part of
what's going on with us >> because it's ultimately fun. That's the hope, >> right? >> Yeah. Yeah. And I am reluctant to pass any laws even if it's I mean, I want the funding. I want this. You all know I want this to happen
and it needs to be if we're making a law, it has to be. >> So, all right. So moving on to the next item. Is that ready for that? Okay. So again,
I would I I think it's the same my sense. I haven't talked to any of you about this one, but I had a bunch of questions about this too fewer, but I think there's still some questions about the implementation um of this. I asked director Tarov to
come like two days ago. He wasn't able to come today to answer questions. Um, but I would like him to come um and have questions about implementation. So my I may be able to talk to him about this before the next meeting. I may not. But
if either way I'm curious if we want to what what other what you all are thinking about this one um in general questions thoughts and I can track them here too. So the question I have is right under purpose
for the intent of this ordinance is to develop clear requirements to encourage full participation in the marijuana industry by people from communities that were disproportionately harmed by marijuana prohibition and enforcement. What
>> I don't get that could you explain that to me? My understanding is that it's um largely for you know black and brown people who have been very disproportionately arrested in the prison for marijuana related churches. >> Okay, got it. >> And the records not expuned by the state
of Massachusetts. >> Okay. >> And so it's like all these wealthy young white men who are making lots of money and the intent of this is to shift that. >> Got it. >> That's my Yeah, >> that's my reading. Yeah. the read the
the way it's worded was a little yeah it's very wordy but >> okay now I get it >> this is also we are out of compliance with state law >> we are >> is a piece of this so we have to have a policy like this of some kind >> and so that's why I believe this is coming up >> okay >> u and so that's I think an important
detail I don't think you know being a month more out of compliance doesn't make a difference we have questions but that's why this is happening >> okay does anyone know um I apologize for not looking through the 12 MGL references here in the definition
section, but is there a formal definition in MGL of so social equity business? Because the word like >> that's a good question. >> You know, the the it's it's referenced in one way or another throughout this like in section
7, you know, a licensed applicant that is pre-verified or verified as a social equity business. But I'm not clear on >> what that means. Who does the verification? I don't know if that's a cannabis control condition thing. >> Six different NGL's >> just about after this meeting.
That would be great. And could I'm I'm not going to share this doc. I have a Google doc of this meeting which I share with councelor Garrett. So I'm not going to share it with you because be out of compliance. But >> if I wrote your questions there, if you could email Kathy and then have it
emailed to all of us, that would be great. What else? Nothing else for me. Okay. >> Um I'll share a few questions I said I took were these three categorizations. How do people Yeah. get qualified as
these things? Um, when it ever it says the city shall, I am highly doubtful and skeptical about that. Um, including like you're going to see the farming ordinance, the city shall post it. Nobody postes posts it. So, I'm
wondering who will post it. Um, under section six, just what does this mean? There's some things that just aren't clear. Um are there enough at least 50% of these licenses um shall be reserved? Do we have enough
businesses? Is there a plan to support this amount of business like to help people come into business? Like is that an economic development thing? Um >> the hot button >> like if there are right I'm not saying that it should be but but I mean do we
have enough to have it be 50%. I would love to so but um at the minimum the city shall take the following actions during the host community waiver negotiations. Again, who is in charge of guiding this process? I don't
um I don't have interest in checking boxes. I do have interest in being compliance with law but in actual practice not just in words. So >> effective >> effectively. So again, there was just yeah, as I scroll down, there was a lot of who will do this,
>> right? >> Um, so I will I'm aiming to share these questions with director Tora before next month's meeting. With everything on my plate, I'm honestly not sure if I will be able to. Um, and this that I guess we
maybe we'll talk about this when we get to the long list of ordinances. Um, but I at the very least have invited him to come to next month's meeting so we can help answer these questions. Great. >> Next pieces are far more.
>> Yes. Social equity business is a marijuana establishment with not less than 51% majority ownership of individuals who are eligible for the social equity program. So maybe this isn't actually helpful. It's going to send us in circles. ownership qualifies it as an economic empowerment priority
applicant as defined by the commission's regulations. So, yeah, it is an official cannabis control commission set of regulations that I will look into further. >> Great. Thank you very much for ching that on. And if they have any guidance about who in a city shall do the thing,
I doubt that they do. I bet they live that up to cities. Yeah. >> But if you see it, if you could flag, that'd be great. >> It's very clear. They have the model ordinance attached and it's the model ordinance. It's Yeah. And I'm Yeah. There's so many poorly written
laws and not implemented laws out there. This mess up. Okay. So, when you all are ready, let me know. Just to move to the next bit. Next, it's on page 54, I believe. Let me
double check that. Yeah. Ready for this? >> Y. Okay. So, um, yeah. Emma Elman,
who staffs the Commission on Disability Access, emailed me about a challenge that their um commission and probably other bodies have, which is that because people people are on the committee but then
don't show up. They don't have a quorum to meet. So Kathy and I did together developed this proposed new ordinance and the key piece that is different kind of than how it has been because you know only Greenfield residents may hold appointed office. These are things that
are I think we assume to be true. The thing that is new is that section two um if they fail to attend or has unexcused absences for either six consecutive meetings or one half of all meetings
held over 12 month consecutive month 12 consecutive month period and the shall then the board the chair of the board shall report the matter in writing to the point appointing authority and the city clerk's office. The appointing authority is typically the mayor. Um and then upon receipt of this notification,
the pointing authority shall declare the position vacant and appoint a successor. Um etc. This is a proposal like I'm curious if if anyone has alternative
thoughts or push back. I I had thought to email all the boards and see what they thought about numbers. Kathy was like, I don't think we really need to. Like that's fine, but how does this land with you all? Does this seem right amount? >> I love it. >> Okay. >> Love it.
>> Okay, >> great. >> Um, a couple of questions that come up for me. So, just to clarify, this um applies only to appointed offices, not to elected bodies. >> Only for appointed offices. Okay. >> That could probably
Well, it says I mean chapter 19, vacancies and appointed offices is the title of the ordinance. Yes, council is multi-member bodies that that includes us. >> Okay, great. We're Okay, great. So, >> I agree that we understand what appointed offices means and I'm not sure that
>> everyone >> everyone would understand the difference. >> Okay, so tell me which and could you jot this down in your notes? >> Sure. >> So, so I'm hearing a where >> I mean I think
>> Oh, appointed board or appointed multimember body. you'd want to add the word appointed before multimemember body or where >> I mean my question would be more like is it possible and I don't know if this is a thing we can do with ordinances but is it helpful to actually just insert like
a note at the top saying this ordinance applies strictly to appointed offices and does not apply to elected offices in the city of Greenfield or something like that is good >> I love clarity >> okay could you please
write that Actually, right now, let's write it together. We could change the numbers and have number one be definition, >> definition of appointed office and or definition of whatever office. Um, and
let's write that together and then if you could email that to Kathy and Tammy and me. >> Um, do you want to propose the language for that? Um, I I don't think I vow for these sorts of
things, but like this ordinance applies solely to um bodies whose membership is by appointment. It does not apply to elected positions from the city of Greenfield. >> Okay.
Typically, >> so I'm not attached to this, but just so typically how having read a lot of ordinances, there's literally like the definition at the beginning and I think it would be more common to have a definition of appointed office. >> Great. >> Titled applicability and then that
definition that Rachel just said, you know, >> that works. >> Yeah, >> that way we don't have to define everything. >> Yeah, totally. >> Love that. >> It works. You want to just write that out silently and then read what you've
got. So, take your time. Now, applicability. This ordinance applies only to bodies whose members are appointed. It does not apply to elected offices or bodies in the city of Greenfield. Or I could put City of Greenfield somewhere else or take. >> Does it Does that clarify to people who
don't know what those words mean? I maybe I'm being too much of a stickler. I'm thinking like maybe dozen oblided bodies that the that are elected by the general public or something like that. >> Just elected. It's enough. Cool. All right. That works for me.
>> Yeah. Great. Cool. >> Um so yes, I will send that to you and Kathy. >> Kathy Tammy >> and Yeah. Sorry Kathy in my head is like I'll say that umbrella
Thomas sorry Tammy and Quinn um other I mean honestly six meetings actually sounds like a lot of leeway to me and I wondered a little bit about that number and how you arrived at it. I mean, I think it's also I do recognize that like people volunteer for these things.
They really, you know, may have every intention that just like lots of like keeps happening, but six meetings, six consecutive meetings >> is a lot to give people. I think >> I think you know if they need >> Yeah. Right. They don't then
>> Right. Right. >> If it's prevented quorum that's pretty dire relative terms, >> right? Y Kathy proposed it and I proposed that we email people and then she said I think this is good and I said I'll ask the committee and but as I read it six consecutive meetings is a lot.
>> It's a lot. >> Yeah. >> And I'm also just making up numbers. >> I know right. I was thinking four but I'm also trying to >> Anyone else have a number you want to throw up? >> I think four is good.
>> Yeah. Four is good. >> Yeah. >> The only other thought I have, do we want to include a part where the chair of the board notifies the member that they've been absent? Like is that important to >> Yeah. >> shot in a sense? >> Yeah. And there's nothing in here for
extenduating circum well there's unex. >> So an extenduating circumstance is an excused absence. I broke my leg on the way to the meeting. Not coming. >> Right. >> You know, right? But >> I had a mental health crisis and I was committed and I couldn't communicate to
the board. You know, genuinely >> they wouldn't let me out. The only now that I'm like talking this through, the only um >> potential pitfall there is the excused is an action that the chair can take. And if the chair doesn't like the
member, but they truly had extenduating circumstances. Uh well, and if I can just add to that, I think excused also, we would want to define that clearly because a a member of one of these bodies could say, "Oh,
well, I let them know and the chair said okay." And so they might think of that as an excused absence. >> Yeah. >> Which is not necessarily like it's nice of them to give their chair a heads up, but that doesn't change the fact that they're not showing up for the meeting and the meeting maybe can't get for them. I mean ill illness in the case of
illness or like accident or disability like I think those are >> Yeah. I mean I just say yeah I think that we want to define >> one clear definition of an excuse is a no call no show. Right. That's easy. >> Yes. >> So like if you don't tell anybody that's
an obviously an unexcused absence. >> Yeah. Right. Do you want to write this down? >> Sure. Yeah. And I'm not so concerned about like that part's easy. It's sort of where we get into >> start. Yeah. Fair. >> Then
I mean I imagine part of this is coming from the boards themselves being frustrated. >> Yes. >> So we could have it be a vote of the members about whether I mean that gets into like we don't like this person, get rid of them. They didn't show up. >> Um and so they could accept the excuse or not if there's a contest on it. Like
that's just the thought that came to mind. Um because ultimately like if you're making judgment it's not clearly defined it's going to be somebody making a judgment right so unless we define every single excuse around excuse you know reason you might not be there you know
excuses like I'm thinking about like for work right like most workplaces have pretty clear parameters like health illness no I said health twice um you know personal reasons for you to take care of a family member do you know your personal day in
in your day bank or whatever. Um trying to think about the reasons you can't show up to work act of God like some disaster happens >> and that's legal language. Act is actually like got a definition like it's like something you can't control.
What if it's illness or accident of yourself or family member is with and letting the chair person know? >> I'm not sure >> a question I have. So the concern
folks have around somebody being removed from a position because the chair doesn't like you or the majority of the members don't like you. >> Then isn't there a grievance process that one could take >> to the mayor,
>> right? >> Not in writing yet. Not in this yet. I mean, this was like me and Kathy going back and forth and being like, "Yeah, this feels good enough to take to the conversation here." Um but currently it says the chair of the board shall report the ma matter. The appointing order
authority shall declare the position. So there's not actually a grievance process written. Yeah. >> Okay. But isn't there a general grievance process in the city? >> There is no >> for employees maybe. >> Yeah. >> No, I'm not talking about employees. I read something about grievance to the
mayor somewhere >> today. Ordinances. >> I thought I read it somewhere today. No, I was this is what I was reading today. >> Haven't encountered it. >> It could have been my imagination. >> But I think that also it helps to have it in the >> Yeah.
>> If there is agreements ordinance, which I don't know what that is, but if there is, which could be, then I think it would need to be cited because somebody trying to contest this, >> okay, >> wouldn't have the private legal whereall to do that research. Mhm. And
>> the only danger quote unquote as far being removed from a committee is if you don't show up, right? Like nobody can get rid of you if you show up to every meeting. Like you're appointed, you know, unless there's bad service. What if with the appeal processes you, you know, if you're deemed as having
unexcused absences and you contest the decision, you can appeal to the appointing authority who will then make the final determination or something like that. >> Okay? because these things are creatures in a sense legally speaking of the the you know city council approves and the mayor appoints >> right
>> and that gives the mayor control in that sense of what who they want on their their appointments to be >> does that make sense structure >> yeah currently there's no leeway because this is just a bunch of shells so that's
>> so a section that says like appeal of decision or appeal of Uh, >> dismissal. Peel of dismissal. >> Yeah, that's great. Just take your time and let us know. >> Yeah,
>> I'm good. >> Yeah. Can you read what you have there? I mean, I'm not writing it in language that we would necessarily like specifically add, but my note is just like that we should possibly add an appeal process that allows the person to appeal to the appointing authority if they want to argue their dismissal from
the body. Would you mind so that I don't have to do it in my free time? Would you mind just taking a moment right now to write that in the because Kath you know what Kathy will do it because Kathy's working on this just as much as I am. >> So if it's written as a request to Kathy
>> Yeah. >> and it's super clear. >> Um just can you please >> So am I requesting that she add that to >> Yeah. >> Okay. Otherwise, if it's just possibly I'll end up packing to do it later.
Really grateful for the verbal resignation not be accepted piece. >> It's just >> Yeah, >> that's a good one. >> That was Kathy. >> Yeah, that's a nice addition. >> Yeah, we're doing refer to last the very last line. Yeah. >> Oh,
>> verbal resignations will not be accepted. >> Like somebody's speaking in heat. >> Yes. >> Stomping out of the room move. >> Yeah. Stomping out of the room. >> Now look, >> you got to put in writing. >> You do. >> Exactly. >> Think about it.
>> And you can't do that while you're stomping out of the room. >> Stomp and write at the same time. >> Exactly. So you send that to me. >> I have not sent it yet. I'm gonna >> Can I send this all together? It doesn't make sense to send individual emails. So yeah, that works. I'm taking notes on what I will send.
>> Okay. So I will not ask you again and I will trust that you will send it. >> Okay. Yes. >> Any other discussion of this proposed ordinance? >> The only other thing is the if we are reducing consecutive meetings, does it make sense to consider reducing the one
half to like oneird or do we feel comfortable having it be half the meetings in the year? >> I personally feel okay with half. >> I feel okay with half total. >> Yeah. Yeah. You feel okay, buddy? One second. It's
the second bullet. It actually wouldn't be hard to miss a third of total meetings over the course of the year. >> That's right. >> If they're monthly meetings, >> right? That's true. So like >> especially for like I know the new cannabis not cannabis the opioid
>> I think like four times. >> Oh yeah. >> So that's like twice. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. If you reduce it and you be misundating you're out. >> Is it going to be okay? So is there going to be an argument? I did contract writing for too many years. Yeah. >> All right. Six. Really? Six consecutive
meetings or one half >> of of the meetings? We're going four. But if 1/2 is six and it's or is there an argument? >> Oh, I see what you're saying. >> Is there an argument? I don't see it yet.
>> If there's an Okay, if it says four there. >> Okay. Four consecutive meetings or one half of all meetings. >> Is there an argument about the inconsistency? >> I don't think so. You sure? I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but I really don't think
so. Just because like these there's no reason to me that they have to be consistent with one another because they are like sub substantively different things right like consecutive meetings right >> is like you have missed a whole chunk of
stuff and but like meeting spread out over the course of the year creates different problems >> in terms of missing a lot of them so to me it it is reasonable to but we should I mean I think we should check all >> okay I think it's I guess it's okay >> the only other thing I can think to
further clarify that right before that m dash uh prior to the bullet you could write the word either for either consecutive meanings or 1/2 >> and that just says it's like either one of these is valid. >> Yes. Not or either. Love it.
>> I like it. Well, we'll keep the or but we'll add an either or either this or that. >> Yeah. The either goes or either Oh, I see. I see what you're saying.
>> Um, when you send this to Kathy, can you say that if she and I are in agreement in the next couple of days that we're ready for hearing for this next month? Wait, say that again. >> If Kathy and I are in agreement, because I I'll take everything that we talked
about. Um, and if we have that all in here, Kathy and I are in agreement that it's ready for a hearing at the next 8. And if you could write that note as well, just those in two places as long as we're in agreement. And is that
specific to this >> or in October if Kathy agree? You want to just let me know when you're ready to move on to the next thing. You ready? >> Ready. >> Ready.
>> Okay. Great. All right. So, now we're on page 60. So, we just I don't know the history of why we're being asked to edit this, but we're being asked to edit it. We just we just passed this and now there's
like tiny changes that they're wanting to make which asking >> I don't >> I know >> um the c well we have this letter so the history of a thing is typically underneath the thing so
the council recently approved it this this was brought to our attention Um I don't know who brought it to their attention >> the economic development >> to clarify issues with the executive and economic development department
>> and I'm not seeing a significant difference. They seem very simple to me. Um but um >> I'm not sure if you all are seeing significant differences. >> Yeah, it clarifies who's a voting member. It makes it really clear that everybody's a voting member. That is difference.
>> That is true. >> That's very significant. >> So that's what I would guess. >> That's good to clarify that. >> I agree. So any discussion of of this anything
uncertainty about this? >> A good idea to bring this whole public hear in October as well. >> Yeah. you writing that down. Um, let me know when you're ready for hybrid meetings, which is on page 62.
>> All right. So um this is coming forward because there's language around um if you look at F3 there. So, so part of this the hybrid
meetings ordinances that we ordinance that we passed last month makes it so that bodies have to explain to the public how they can give public comment. >> And Kathy and I have been holding off on
giving that language to bodies because there's a part of this that says that it'll include instructions on disability or language access accommodations. And so Erin's been trying to figure out how to get that, but it's not currently
within the limited administrative budget that the city has. Um, and so we don't want the lack of language access accommodation to keep putting off telling people how to
get public comment. So um there is one small piece I think the subject to appropriation piece I would like to have that specifically under the language accommodation. I don't want I think that I want to talk to Kathy about that. We hadn't discussed that piece. Um
but besides that last line um I think this is important to make clear so that we can let people know how to give public comment. >> That's what this is about. Any thoughts? I So I I still want to talk to Kathy. As
long as Kathy and I are in agreement and hear from you all, then I would say this is ready for a public hearing. But I want to make sure that she and I are >> what you just said. So the section 49-8 is subject appropriation. Do you want that just on the translation services or
>> I think I think that it's implicit that it's subject I mean you could have this for every every ordinance it's subject to appropriation. I mean, maybe we should have this under every ordinance, but I don't want people
to suddenly say we're not going to have hybrid meetings when we clearly have we've appropriated enough funds to have the technology already. Um, and so I want to talk to her about our thinking with that one, which we haven't had the
chance to talk about yet. >> This makes sense to me. So just let's back up just a moment. Sure. >> So F3. >> Yes. >> It says if available. That's added language. Yeah. >> That's added language.
So what you're saying is that's fine to proceed. >> Yeah. That's not I asked Kathy how often and I honestly don't remember her specific answer, but I said how often are you asked about language access? She
said almost like almost never. They almost never get it. And she was like when people have come like Spanish speakers in a meeting, she's like somebody could just transl I could translate like it's >> um but it's if it was like a regular
request from our from our people like then I wouldn't then I would take a stand for that. But that's that pe people don't really ask for it that often and that's not the intent of the meeting of the ordinance. Intent of the ordinance is to make public participation >> precisely >> more accessible in general.
>> Fine. So, okay. >> Fine. Okay. >> Anything else about this one? >> I guess I'm just curious what like city contact information
means and uh F. >> Yeah. for >> for >> um that's a good question. Like I don't know that that's necessary. I mean it's it's easy enough to say like
I guess you know contact the clerk's office like to me it would make more sense to say this is where the people can find the recording of this or you know recording posted on the wherever
>> you mean have where in the law say that again >> you mean you say are you saying that you would want the wear in written into the ordinance. >> I mean, not necessarily in the ordinance, but I think that's the more important piece
of it. Like I mean, maybe maybe I'm overthinking this, but like city contact information is just a very broad term. >> Yeah. >> And maybe that's fine. Maybe it's like up to the chair of the meeting to know who the contact person would be and tell
people. >> It's a good question. >> All public notices go through the clerk's office, right? >> Right. I would think. >> Right. Like every time a public meeting is posted, it's the clerk's office posting it. >> Correct. >> Right. >> To notice, but not the video recording minutes
transcript. I'm not sure. >> Right. That's the that's the >> I'm don't know who's holding that. >> Yeah. >> Because in general, like, you know, if people are curious what happened at the council or school committee, it's like go watch, you know, go to GCTV's YouTube page. But >> Right. Exactly.
>> I I'm curious where all of these recordings are actually going to live. >> Okay. >> I don't know. Could you write that in here about the Cathy? Thank you. I definitely question like is it different for is it because I don't want to say the wear here because that could change
over time and I don't want have to keep amending the ordinance if changes. >> Totally. >> But I think it is important for us to at least know the answer to that question. >> Yeah. >> Just came to mind is public records law. you know, somebody makes an open not open meeting, but a public records request. They could ask for like a
transcript and then the clerk's office has the right to say it would cost us, you know, whatever the person typing it up salary wise, you know, for this many hours. >> And so that flexibility maybe is there, you know, city contact, the vagueness is there because it might be different
people who do the job. Yeah. You know, like a transcript is not something that's regularly done. Like no one's going to write a transcript, >> right? you know, Tammy will write excellent minutes, but it's not like verbatim what we said fortunately would be in there every time, >> right? >> All the ums, you know, etc.
>> Although it would be so easy. There's women with >> AI like it's so easy to it's so easy to transcribe things now. >> I mean, it just it just is recognizing reality like >> podcast would not be possible without
transcript services. Such a ly. >> What that? >> I'm a ly about us that's >> it would save it saves time. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Um Okay. So, can you both write that if Kathy and I are in agreement on
this then it's ready for a hearing? >> So, I'm putting under Kathy made it members hybrid. Okay. Um, all right. Now, this one. Okay. So, this
was one of the things that I looked at the ordinance spreadsheet, and I'm still not exactly sure what to say about this. >> Farming farming. >> Yeah. Um, so it's farming. It's on page 65. And the challenging piece when I read this was that the current language
says that the city shall be responsible for providing a copy of the right to farming ordinance annually to property owners through an annual legal notice in the local newspaper and that the notice shall prominently be posted at city hall
and it should be on their website. And it's not happening. It's never really happened. And the clerk's office is like, "Please don't give us another task." And that costs money. And and when I said, "Who shall post it?" Again, the clerk's office is like, "Please
don't make us do it. The mayor should do it or the agricultural commission should do it." Agricultural Commission should do it. >> Okay. >> I That makes sense to me. That's my Okay. >> sort of gut reaction. >> Okay. Yeah. Cool. >> What do you all think? >> We're cutting the newspaper aspect out entirely. The legal notice piece.
>> I just don't think it's necessary nowadays. And I really think that the website is the key thing. And I really think that if people are curious, maybe they will look up the ordinance. I don't I don't know. Like it's online. It's And does it even need to be on the website when it's in the ordinances? Like what
what posting is needed? What posting is what posting do you all think is needed about this? Basically, I mean, my first question about that is what is there anything specified in MGL about what posting of this is needed?
There may be like some things that about posting in the newspaper have to be posted in the newspaper. >> All right, that's a great question. >> Okay, have a lot of wiggle room. >> Okay, so maybe we should >> we might if if MGL stipulates this.
>> Yeah, I think we should check that. >> And then maybe we say the agricultural commission has to do it. Like again, if we say the city shall, no one is the city, >> right? It's not a thing. It's not going to get done. Um, are you looking it up, John? I
think >> I mean, I'm not gonna farm bill on the state level, but >> 4A, is that what you're looking at? >> Several different chapters have farm visions. >> What a the farm bill.
>> That's what I'm reading here. Where do you see it? Yeah, at the top under purpose and intent and scope it references MGL 489 which I'm looking at a bunch of different parts of >> it doesn't say anything here is 4A is
zoning it >> I think it'll take a while to find then the question is then honestly I don't have the all the different orings on my list right now >> I think that we could ask could we ask the clerk's office to ask the lawyer
should let us know like or does anyone here want to take that on take on that research? Like you all are going to have ordinances that you all need to work on? >> I mean, >> well, I haven't taken on any ordinances and I'm still waiting for you guys to
give me assignments. >> Don't look at me. That's >> So, you're going to hand me some hand. >> Okay. >> Do you want to take this piece off? >> Plumbing. Yes, the cows. All right. >> I'm farming and the question is what are
the are there state statutory requirements around disclosure notification for right of farming ordinances? >> Yeah, never thought I'd ask such a question. >> Welcome to public office. >> Been here a little bit. I haven't asked
that question yet. I'm loving it. statutory requirements around disclosure notifications for right of farming ordinances and and if it helps you to write the
note for yourself um page 65 >> I got it got it in my hand great thank you and then once you have that information if you could send it to the Kathy's um which means Kathy Tammy
Kathy >> and Katherine adopting my own. >> Send it to Kathy. Send it to me >> and Kathy. Tammy Quinn. >> Kathy Quinn and Tammy. >> Yep. Yeah. >> And then ask them to send it to the
>> Well, we all don't care that much. I mean, you'll find out next month's like surprised. >> This is not a hot item at this. >> No, we need to clear it up. You need to clean it up, but it's not like >> pitchforks are not at the door. >> No, pitchforks aren't at the store.
>> Unless there's a rooster outside your windows being downtown. >> It is a thing. I mean, it's a thing. >> I mean, it actually is a topic that comes up, >> right? So, you drive into a lot of towns and you said right to farm town is always driving
>> that have the right to farm. Who's it going to argue? There's the farms. >> Yeah, but people argue when roosters are growing outside their window. I get that too. I live next door to some lovely chickens myself and >> I get that >> that word chick. Do you guys remember this last year? The whole thing like you
can't not you can't ban roosters everywhere because there were chickens there and not hens. Yes, like it gets down to that. >> That complaint came to from my neighborhood because there were roosters >> last year in the hen house at the John's
on >> and you know I woke up with them anyway and they were fine. >> Pretty funny. >> That's what happens. >> Sometimes they're boys. >> So you'll take that on and you'll let the Cathies and the Catherine know.
>> I will do my best. Okay. >> Thank you for taking that on. I'll take that out of there so I don't >> ignore it. >> So then we're moving on to page 67. And this is another one that I took on. Um I
think this is ready for hearing next month. And I don't there's like so many pieces to this that are all very very small that I don't really remember uh all of the pieces. I I read it over again before this meeting, but I've worked on this with
two people from who I'm grateful for and I'm not remembering their names from the who did who are in the conservation commission. I could quickly find their names. Um but we went back and forth about language and cleared it up and different versions. And so the striketh
through pieces are no longer and the bold we're we're proposing to delete the strike through pieces and to add in the bolded pieces and they're around applications for exemptions um
and the filing process for applications for exemptions and coordination with other boards. Um, I do not know why Kathy added some of the things in in red. Um,
but she >> like the part where you got rid of how to deliver seven copies. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it's like basically minor stuff, but for the conservation commission believe our wetlands ordinance is pretty decent.
just >> I think the red one on page 74 is just so you don't have to edit it every time they change docking, >> right? >> Yeah. I just mean I don't know why some things are in bold and some things are in red.
>> I'm not going to lose too much sleep. >> No, me neither. So I just don't have to explain it to you. >> So that's that. Yeah. Overall, if the changes are what's recommended by the Cong folks and they think this makes sense and you think it makes sense, I'm fine with it. >> Yeah. Okay.
Um, any questions about the wetlands ordinance? >> Thank you for >> sure. It is saying that it's complete. So, we can put that for a hearing next month. >> Chapter 473.
Here are the people. Okay, ready for the next piece. Page 79. Paul from the human rights commission said that they're having a hard time getting forum because they're currently required to have nine members and we are
striking through nine and putting in seven. >> It's fabulous. >> Yeah. Great. So that's all >> five. We could but just because I think a five person meeting is much more productive than a seven person meeting >> they're asking for seven
>> and so >> okay any discussion on that we're ready for a hearing for that one >> y >> um the next one page 80 the ways and means committee there's no need for the separate
ordinance because it's already under city council procedure I don't know >> so Funny. >> I mean, that was a long time ago. >> Yeah, >> we didn't ever elect secretary and thought I was >> This is not Yeah, this is a different body. >> Oh, yeah. Right.
>> Well, no, maybe it's not. That's a presidential point. That's so strange. >> Yeah, it's come. Yeah, it's weird. I don't >> you don't know anything about the origin of why this >> No, I don't >> exist and there isn't a similar ordinance for other bodies. No, I just
know that currently loa procedure has art committees under it. Great. >> So any discussion of that you said saying we're ready for hearing. >> So yeah, what is this? I don't understand what this even is.
>> So there's currently a law that says the things that are struck through, but there isn't a separate ways and means committee consisting of five members who shall reside in the city and be registered voters therein. We don't have that any because we have a ways and means committee of the city council. >> Okay.
>> And so this is irrelevant and ready to be gotten rid of because we don't do this thing and don't do this thing. >> Okay. There we go. >> Got it. All right. So we can have a hearing on getting rid of that. Yes. >> Jokes.
>> Yeah. Moving right along. So now we are shifting to the part of our conversation which is about giving Patty some work. and asking where everyone is at with your stuff. >> Um, so if you want to look at this with
me, Patty, um, that might be helpful for you. So Quinn made this >> Quinn made this spreadsheet for us at the beginning of the year and we put our names under counselors
>> and so I'm curious what conversation you all if no conversation what convers Okay >> so um I have one piece that I'm curious to ask you to take on besides that I'm in
conversation with a bunch of different people and I need to have conversations with a bunch of different people. I feel like I'm on top of my pieces. The one piece that I'm curious if you take on and then share your thoughts with me about is the public assemblies language. I imagine that you might have some good insights into that.
>> Yeah. And uh and I think it deserves some thought, but I really trust your thoughts on so >> Okay. >> Thank you. Um now let me ask a simple question. >> Yes. So I that I have that I do believe that spreadsheet. >> Okay.
>> And so if I click on it, it'll come up for me to review. >> It should. It should. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Let me see. Under share. >> You want to say let idiot. >> Okay. Computer fool. >> Well, you have edit. >> I spent my day crying over over at blue
>> today. >> That's a whole other thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You practically have to do a retina scan now to get it done. It's ridiculous. Anyways, it's done. >> You have editing access with this right there. So, >> you should be able to just open it and
change things. And the only thing that you really should be should need to change are these. Just like when you're right right now, this is in progress. There's not much you need to do here. And you click here to get the Google Doc language and see if it works.
>> Um, well, the file you requested does not exist. So, that's true in several places. I noted mine um and tagged Quinn and like I made comments on some of the these things and just said like, "Hey Quinn, this says the file doesn't exist." But I
think that that's true of a number of them. >> Could you write the email to Quinn and say, "Thank you for being the secretary of this meeting. I really appreciate that. Could you write to Quinn and say, "There are many chapters in here that aren't going to files. Can you please go through all of them in part three and
just link them? But in the meantime, you don't actually need to be able to look at this make will make your job easier because it's in Google Docs and everyone will be able to see it. But um you can just look up the if you want to find any law in Greenfield, you just go to Greenfield
and it'll come up. >> Okay. >> Right. And they're all here. Right. So you could copy and paste it and look at it that way. include um and I have one thing on public ordinances I think that I can public assemblies I think I'm
going to look if I have some other sample language that I think I do okay so then um besides that I don't feel the need to I can just say that all the pieces that I have are in progress
>> um and >> what's the end date for this So really as really my low battery. Okay. Really? There isn't one. >> Oh, if we're not complete, >> we are doing a better job >> code forever.
>> We are we are doing a You can change an order than anything. >> Uhhuh. >> And >> but wasn't there a goal for the end of October at some point? >> The goal is the end of the goal is the end of December. >> Oh, okay. >> I don't like things to drive on. That is
not my style. It I wanted to I really want it when I say as soon as possible I mean as soon as possible. However, we are doing a more thorough job than any other previous council. >> And um and we're volunteers so um so really within within reason as soon as
possible. >> Okay. >> And if necessary this will continue next year. >> Okay. Got it. >> All right. I will to that. I mean, I can say right now, Patty, I I I think I didn't like go to the next step in my
head of handing these off to you because the files didn't exist. So, I just got caught up there and and not knowing what the thing is. But, I would be happy to >> give you um 224, chapter 224 and chapter 259, which are building construction and uh
is 224 and 259 is excavations. >> Building construction building permits and then two what's 59 excavations. Yeah. So I'm actually just gonna
>> Oh, maybe I'm done. A body is found. >> What is to be done? All right. >> Twisted. >> Are you changing it, Rachel? >> Okay. Um, but honestly in looking over the rest of these there like I would I am I am late in getting to the stuff
that I uh committed to which I apologize for but I I would like to work on the one the other ones that have my name on them and some of them I have like I've already started talking to folks at the city and all of that. So >> Okay. >> And it doesn't feel overwhelming to me. >> Okay. >> We need to connect about
>> Yeah, you can have any of them. >> Yeah. No, it's that's >> hand me a couple. >> All right. Let's um the only one I really, you know, we need to connect on the the dog bite one. So, I do want to connect that. And then the only other >> I'm on the side of the dog.
>> Okay. Just letting you know. >> That's fair. Um and then the demolition delay I'm interested in because I've talked to historical commission about it. So, that's chapter 241. I want to hold on to that. >> I'd love it if you will hang on to development review. >> Yeah, I 100%. So, just going through the top.
>> Yeah, let's from the top down. How do you feel about public consumption of alcoholic beverages? Any feelings about it? >> I'm all for it. >> All right, great. Then I think let's um give me >> What number is that? >> That's chapter 209. >> And part of this this list is a little misleading because some of them, you
know, look like, you know, a person's name is next to 27 things, but it's actually like six of them are just all the same chapter. And >> Okay. And I do think that one does need work because it doesn't allow for like >> drinking on a sidewalk technically if there's like a patio area except for a
restaurant. >> So it definitely does need, you know, that's technically all illegal >> businesses, >> right? Currently. So this one definitely I >> Yeah, this one is is a touchy one. >> Okay. Anything else there? >> Yeah, sure. Let's keep going. >> Um, do you know anything about electrical standards?
>> No. >> I don't either. Um, if you want to do that, >> call the electrician when I need a light bulb change for God's sakes. I'm afraid of electricity. >> Okay. So, >> if you're already talking to the building department about the construction one, it might make sense to >> Yeah, let's give it a chapter.
>> What are you giving me? >> Uh, chapter 254, electrical standards and uh guns. >> The guns. Firearms. Do you love that? >> Sure. >> All right. Fabulous. >> What number is that?
>> That is chapter 270 firearms. I'm gonna keep junk dealers and collectors because why not? >> Okay. >> And then I got a whole bunch about sewers. >> Oh, >> okay. I'll keep those. And then streets, sidewalks, and public places I'm interested in, but I'm also happy to
share any of that. There's a lot of different pieces. Um, actually, if you're going to look at the alcohol one and you want to look at chapter 285, sidewalk outdoor seating, I think that would be make a lot of sense. >> Yeah. And then there's also
let's see private maintenance of structures which is oh and it has an article number. Sorry I should have specified that. So it's chapter 285. This is the sidewalk outdoor seating. >> Chapter 385. >> Thank you. Chapter 385 street sidewalks
public places article 14 sidewalk outdoor seating. >> Okay. Then I think the other one that ties into all of that is chapter 385 article 9 private and maintenance of structures because I'm thinking about
like if you have an outdoor patio and there are people drinking alcohol on it and there's outdoor seating that's all tied together. >> Okay, that feels like enough. >> Perfect. Well, thank you. >> And the animal one is interesting actually. We should we should we've been
saying this for a something came up at EDC last night about chemicals that's actually going to affect what we >> know what that's about. >> Okay. Okay. So I actually I'd like to go from the top to just be like I' I'd love a sense of our timeline and our goals.
Um I really would love to be complete with this by the end of the year. And I also I am curious. We said at the beginning of this year that we just look at general legislation. I don't think there's any harm done actually in the next council looking at the other parts.
Like I think how we legislate and govern is really important and we just within our scope of possibility didn't feel like we could look at other pieces but I want to talk to Laura and possibly about taking on the other pieces next year. So to give space to that I really would like us to
complete this by the end of the year. Um, and I'm curious, does that does that feel re does it feel reasonable to bring something forward like
it's not going to be reasonable to complete this by the end of the year? I would like to, but it's not we're not going to complete it all by the end of the year. But do you I guess my question is like what what sense do you have of your timelines? like do you think that you'll be able to bring something forward if the five-day rule is the end
of September or the end of October or the end of November? Just trying to get a sense of when you all think that you could possibly bring things forward. >> I need a concrete deadline because my life is very busy and so if you >> what is the deadline you want to give yourself? >> I think you know so like the dog bite one right like that one's complicated
and affects a lot of people. I wouldn't want to do that in October. I frankly don't want to do that before November. Like I think October is too soon to like admit to that because it's a very busy month in the rest of the city. >> And so but I do think that by November
that's something that I think Rachel and I could connect it out and get something put together. >> All right. So hold on. I'm creating a column 13 that's like timeline aim. So and again knowing that we're submitting things the last Tuesday of
the month. So what is the timeline that you're giving yourself to submit? Is it the last Tuesday of October? The last Tuesday of November. >> So we want to talk about this full council in November or I'm sorry December or November. >> I don't have strong feelings about it.
But if it's submitted the last Tuesday of of October, >> the hearing would not be until December. Right. Because we have to talk about it in November and then the year would be >> on that end of October. We'll figure something out. >> Okay.
And October. >> Do you want to just look it through everything that you have? >> October sounds right. >> The end of October. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I mean, I can also tell you that I will not be at ANO in October. >> In October. Yeah. >> But in November and December. >> No. I as far as I know I will be. But
yeah, I have a conflict in October. So, I'm not going to be bringing anything. >> So, end of October feels good for your things. I think so. >> Okay. End of October feels good for dogs, animals. Um, I am honestly not sure. A lot of the pieces that are on my plate I'm trying
to coordinate with the homelessness um ad hoc homelessness >> there a lot around >> that stuff. Um, and so I I'm it depends for me, but I am aiming to do
it as soon as possible. Um, does the end of October just feel right for everything on your plates? Like does that just feel like a good aim for everything? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You want to have this? >> Okay, great. So, do you need You just
said you have a need for extreme or timelines. Does that feel like that need? >> No, no. I mean, otherwise I just won't do it. Okay. >> So, we are making a commitment to each other right now that we are going to do our damnedest to have everything into Kathy by the end of October. >> Yes.
>> All right. That means that the November and the December meetings, please do everything in your power to be present because all of your is really important, right? >> Okay. >> Great. Y So, everyone feels good about what's on your plates. Peachy,
>> feel great. >> Strawberries. >> Yep. Stormers love storm. >> All right. Well, >> this is so funny. Last night's EDC meeting took like way longer than any of us expected that it would, and this one went much faster than I thought it
would. So, >> I like an efficient meeting. Thank you for being official. >> Happiness. >> It's good. All right. I think we're good. Is there anything about the ordinancers review process that anyone
else would like to say? >> Just appreciate the way that you're running this and that in the clerk's office. Thank you. >> Yeah, I'm organized. >> I can't do it other way. I can't do it anymore. >> Super powerful. >> My brain will not allow the right person
to do it. >> I like words, too. So, you um all right, I'm closing that. So, I am Oh, there may be official language I need to say. I think there's not, though. Let me just double check. All right. Um, so the next meeting will be
on October 8th, 2025, 6:30 p.m. here. There will be several public hearings that day. And I have a motion to adjurnn. So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor? I
>> I >> All right. You've officially Really? It's kind of cute. >> Okay. So, >> bye. [Music]