--------- All right. Um, okay. This meeting is being recorded by the community preservation committee. If any other persons present are doing the same, you must notify the chairperson at this time.
Seeing none, we'll move on. We'll call this meeting to order and I will do a roll call. Okay. Uh, Becky is not here. Donna >> here. Wisy here.
>> G is not here. Terry is not here. Um, Victor is not here. Travis >> here. >> Jack >> here. >> Okay. And I'm here. So, we have a quorum.
All right. Uh, can we um minutes the last minutes were Did we get them? >> Yes, we got that. That's right. We got them, right? We did get them. Okay. Everything seems so long ago now. [laughter] Um, okay. So, um, would, uh, anybody
have any comments, questions about the, um, the last set of, uh, of minutes? >> I didn't I'll make a motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. Um, any discussion?
Okay. Let me call the role. Uh, Donna >> here. Yes, >> Whiskey. >> Yes, >> Travis. >> Yes, >> Jack. >> Yes. >> And I'm a Yes. >> Yes. >> Moving forward. Um, okay. We don't have
any public, so there's not going to be any comment. Um, all right. So, let's move on to um first one of the proposals. And Quinn, that is you. So, why don't you come up to the table?
>> Would you prefer me stand or >> No, no, no. Sit. Okay. >> We're used to being on the other side. [laughter] >> It's a little unnerving. >> We just want to make sure you you your comments get um >> absolutely into the recording. I'll use my city council voice for you.
>> Oh, thank you so much. >> Okay. Um what we are um our general procedure is that we've all read your proposal. We will open it up to questions. If at any point you think
we're misunderstanding something, please feel free to elaborate on on something that you think we we've uh we've misunderstood. But I will with this open it up to questions. So do folks have questions about the city clerk's
document preservation proposal? I uh I maybe it was in there and I just didn't see it. I wish that I had seen a picture of that scanner. >> Was there was a whole my fault. >> Uh >> there's a booklet in there.
>> One we are wishing to purchase. It has the most features in including for the preservation of some of our gigantic books that we have. And I'm talking >> gigantic that that type of scanner which
is the Vcanner will press down scan the documents >> without destroying the spines. >> Is that part of the reason that you want this particular scanner as opposed to others? the other scanners which are flat scanners which will crush spines which means they'd have to be rebound
again >> which then kind of defeats the purpose of preservation when you want to keep them in their original bindings. >> Donna, >> what percentage would you say you know
ballpark is actually handwritten stuff as opposed to printed material? So, our documents that I have found date back to 1789.
>> And the earliest noted documentation that I've been able to find was the I'd say 1920s and we have two and a half vaults worth of that documentation handwritten. So, it's a very large percentage of
handwritten items. I couldn't give you a the number. My ballpark would be maybe 65%. And that's a really gross estimate. >> Okay. Um, one of the reasons that I'm asking is because I know I did look at
the um the scanner and then I also um searched to see um to make sure that it would be able to scan things as machine readable for um ADA uh compliance
>> um which I think will be you know absolutely fine even with old like typed from a typewriter documents. Um I doubt you'll get that from the handwritten stuff though. But um so I just that that
was what um what prompted that question. I I have a couple of more. >> Um certainly >> the next one is uh part of the project is to protect the originals while also creating the digital archive um as you
scan them. So, how will the work of like the binding repair and the archival materials like I didn't see anything. I saw something about supplies in your budget, but I'm just wondering like how you will address that as part of the
process. >> So, I have an example. Please bear with me because I don't touch these books without gloves. Some of our books, some of them are very old. This is a book from 1902.
It is our street listing which is required by master law to be kept forever. I don't know if you can see that from afar, but somebody at some point in time tried to tape it together.
And this is the documents we're required to keep that are in fact falling apart. >> They're literally disintegrating. And so we're hoping that with this preservation to have the some of the
worst offenders such as that one rebound so that the information will be live will live on in the required hard document form that the state is making us. I also have and I'm going
to give this to the chair copies of our oldest document that I've been able to find in in the vault. It's the Congress of the United States dated 1789 that is so delicate to the touch
you look at it and pieces fall off that desperately needs to be made um it's it it definitely needs some help.
M. >> So, how will you ensure that you have the money to do the rebinding >> while you're doing the scanning? >> So, we do have a budget every year that we put in for binding.
>> Okay. >> Typically, that's around $2,000. But as you know, times are tight and there's always a possibility that that budget can be cut because it's one of those budgets that
the books already they're fine. They'll just be in the bowl till next year when we can afford to. But documents like the congre like this book, they're literally disintegrating. So, if we can get some of the worst
books rebound now to save them before they completely disintegrate, that would be what we're looking to do. >> So, um my final question is about um the digital archive. Where um will you where
will that live? like where will the database be housed or hosted? So, we don't have a firm spot yet, but what I'm hoping for is that we would be able to make it accessible to the public online through
the website or something through some sort of way through the the library in their historical archive section where they could call up the information that we have scanned in be like, "Oh, I'm looking for the tax records from, and
I'm not kidding you, 1836." We have those in our vault handwritten because I want to see my ancestor how much they paid for that stage coach. By the way, the horse for that stage coach was $60 in 1836.
We looked it up. >> So, it's stuff like that that we want that database out to the public so that they can see it because keeping our history alive makes the future safer.
Okay. Thank you. Um I mean I'm just look looking for budget information here. >> Certainly. >> Um you want you're asking for 30,000. The total cost of the project is 75,000. >> Yes. >> What exactly is the is the money going
to go toward? >> Most of the money is going towards the machine. >> Okay. Um some of it is going through it for setting up for maintaining the domain for just getting the basics of the IT and the storage because if you
think about it all that has to be stored all that information and I can only imagine how much cloud storage is at this point and how much more it's going to go up as more and more people use the cloud. I'd just like to note that Terry has
joined us. Terry, we're in the process of discussing the historic document uh project that the uh the city clerk's office has uh put forward. So, and we're asking questions of Quinn. So, if there
are any questions that you have, please feel free to raise your hand and we'll call on you. Um okay. Uh the so uh how much does the machine actually cost and how much you
know is for other things. Um I I I may have lost this but I didn't see it in the format itself. >> It says the estimated cost of the scanner is 26,000. >> Okay. So around 27,000. >> 27,000. Now, that was when we first
looked at it obviously, you know, 6 months ago and prices have jumped enormously. So, we're hoping that it's still within that same relative amount, >> right? Have you looked at used machines as well as as new machines?
>> We haven't. So, any amount over $10,000 has to go up for bidding. >> Ah, okay. So, we would have to bid and hope that this company comes to us. >> Okay. Other questions?
>> No, your chair is fine. Yeah, my favorite question is asking what if we were to partially award you funding, but it sounds like from what I was reviewing the cost of the machine doesn't really leave much leeway to what
you would do with partial funding. So, do you know if the there is any IT money or any other money available if for some reason we can't fully fund the project? >> Unfortunately, I don't have that information. that is the city clerk who
would have that information which if you if you'd like I can get that information for you. >> That would be great. >> Okay. >> Um I can say that partial funding would definitely go towards preservation of books. >> Okay.
>> Um preser it could be starting if we were awarded partial funding maybe we would find a slightly lesser model. I don't know if we would have the capacity to buy or to scan the bigger books that
we would like. I mean, we we have there's records we can't make public yet >> because of limitations of the law. Birth, death, and marriage records can't be made public until 100 years have passed because some people are still alive and
their public their records of when their birth and who their parents are are still private. But prior to that, for genealogology, we absolutely can make that stuff public and I would love that. I'd love to share that with people because I think it's fun and I want more people to find it
fun. >> Great. Thank you. >> Uh I do have a question, but also I just wanted to mentioned for you that there are two versions of the application in our in our folder and one of them has
budget information and one of them doesn't. >> Okay. So that might have >> I have the one without budget information. >> The website will have the fully upward facing fully updated. >> Okay, good enough. >> Um and then I guess my question was just um uh
so this is for you know purchasing the equipment. Um, and I I know there are a lot of books that need to be scanned, but um, I guess I'm just thinking like eventually they'll all be scanned and then we'll still have the equipment and then at that point
it's going to be used for something else or there is it will take us years. >> Yeah. >> With the sheer volume of books. There's books in corners of city hall
that will need to be scanned that we don't even see in our vaults. There's there is at least three vaults. There's many closets full of items. There is so many different places that will need
scanning planning DPW that you know we'll have our machine in our office but we will once we're done we will start booking times with other departments to come in and so that it will be all departments would be allowed to use our scanners. We wouldn't be just us we
would share. >> Any other questions? May I ask a question? >> Sure. >> Just out of curiosity, I've been in the city clerk's office. Where would you store it? >> So, [laughter] it would be stored more than likely we
would remove what we call our um employee break area. We would move our those items into Kathy's office into the clerk's office and we would set up that area which has shelving and lots of
different outlets and whatnot and fiber optics and everything we would need in order to make it work and it is literally 2 feet from one of our main vault. Okay, >> any other questions? Um, the only other
question I have is, um, I know maintenance, um, was, uh, NA on the application, but I'm just thinking if something goes wrong and this thing breaks, is there going to be money to fix it? >> Would hope that would be tied into the
contract that we would be signing when we purchased the machine that we would have a service package. Okay. Any other questions? >> Just one more question. >> Sure. Um, go for it. >> Just going back to the whole like buying
the equipment thing. Um, I'm just wondering if you um like did the clerk's office look at comparing buying equipment versus like paying someone else to do it or renting equipment or something like that? Um
because documents cannot leave >> nobody else can do it. >> I see. >> Okay. >> We can't have people in our office going in our vaults either because there is sensitive information in our vaults that
the public cannot have access to. So that's it's a great idea. We would love to. But even when we send our books to binding, one of us drives the books to the bindary. >> One of us picks the books up from the
bindary. They are not allowed in a personal vehicle. Other ideas, questions? All right. Well, thank you very very much. Thank you all and appreciate it. I appreciate you bringing the book. It's helpful to take a look at what we're
dealing with here. >> Great. If [clears throat] anybody would ever like um we would be willing to give tours if they would be helpful in your decision making. >> Thank you very much, Quinn. Thank you. Have a good evening. You as well.
>> Okay, Edward. Jack's up. Which one do you want to do first, Jack? I think since this is a return of the security deposit account, um if we could start with that
one. Um I did bring just a a flyer to pass out. Um, so the the first six months after we were awarded funding, we did not heavily advertise um, but we posted in the Greenfield
Housing Authority's main office and then we posted on our website. um just getting on our website, um we've had at least between five and 10 people walk in
monthly asking about it. And so we've been very clear that folks need to apply to raft first um because we want to make sure that this money is stretched as as far as it possibly can. And so >> explain what raft is.
>> Oh, sorry. Raft is a rental assistance um program that the state funds Franklin Regional Housing Authority and several other entities um in Hamen County. It's through Wayfinders. Um and if someone is
behind in rent um facing eviction or looking to move into an apartment, they have to have a qualifying event. So, um, this could be that they had trouble with a car or a vehicle or they lost a job
and they're not in low-income housing. So, those qualifying events would allow them to be eligible for either rear rental aarage payments or security deposit and first and last month's rent
if they were moving. So, we ask anyone who is applying for our program to first certify that they've already attempted getting funds from other local places that could provide that. So, um, we, as
I think, um, some since there are some new committee members, we did pay $2,500 this year and the CPC has approved has refunded the housing authority. So, um, I know last meeting there was some
concerns about just simply giving an an organization money. Um, so the CPC holds the funds and we're just requesting reimbursement when we've actually paid it out. Um, and so last
year we asked for 15,000, the committee awarded us 15,000. Um, we've spent 2500 so far. Um the reason we're back is because we um as a housing authority are
hopeful that locally section 8 vouchers are able to be issued again and that is where a lot of folks need this money the most. So someone who is a section 8 participant because they may be
currently housed but need to move to a better circumstance, they likely won't be eligible for raft. And so they without a program like this would not be able to actually move to a larger unit
or to a unit that's more suitable um for them. Um, and so I'll stop with my little overview to allow the uh the committee to ask any questions. >> Um, I took a picture of the handout and I have it on my computer. Can I share it
with the screen so um they can see it on my >> Donna? Um, yeah, Jack. Uh, when you spoke about raft, you talked about it wasn't just about um getting people into houses, but also keeping them in houses. Um, and I noticed that your application
is really focused on, you know, first, last security. Why >> is it not something that could also be used to like keep people from losing their homes? >> Yeah. So, that's a good question. So,
the the CPC coalition, I believe they're called, um on their website, they go over eligible uses for these funds. Um so, one of them is for security deposits and folks
moving. Um the other could be for rental assistance. And the reason that um we didn't do that with the previously awarded money is because that simply wasn't what our original application
was. And so I didn't want to differ from our application and what was approved from the CPC committee. The other reason that we haven't brought it forward is because doing that it causes this
potential that after a year how would that person be able to afford where they're moving? And so there's another program and I don't want to get into too many housing um programs, but um there's
a program called Homebase that will pay for a portion of someone's rent for 12 months. And what we see is that when that money runs out, that person ultimately ends up facing eviction if they can't get some other permanent. And
so if you look at our application on the website, we ask a lot of questions about their ability to afford the unit they're going to be moving into. And that's because we want to make sure that we're not setting someone up for failure. So we'll help you get into the unit so that
you could pay first, last, and security. But then we also want to make sure that this is sustainable for you. And so we ask in our application for someone to give us what their potential budget expenses and income is. And we um we are
required to verify their income as part of the CPC guidelines that they're income eligible. Um and so we've tried Donna to cover our basis and make sure we can help as many people as possible.
some of the other CPCs, cities that have awarded money for the rental assistance portion, they have a lot more money than the city of Greenfield. Um, so, you know, these are organization, these are cities that I saw have like $800,000
that they're awarding. And so I think if Greenfield grows and we have extra money, the housing authority will happily apply for more. But at this point, I think the $30,000 will allow us to help those most in need because
they're not eligible for this help somewhere else. >> So you just so I'm clear, you're talking about $30,000 above and beyond the 15. >> Yeah. So be clear. because we're going to now start the advertising phase. We
wanted to slowly implement this and get it moving. Now that we've fully processed our applications, we'll do more than just have it on our website. Um, we'll start getting these flyers to local organizations, making sure that it's it's known. Um because there's also
a delay in the funding cycle, we've tried to balance making sure the people who are coming into the housing authority who are actively homeless and looking for help are told first, you know, city council won't get this
new round of funding till September. And so we're trying to stretch this money as far as we can knowing that more people move in the summer. Okay. Other questions? No. Terry? No.
You done? Terms of questions, comments about this. Um I I I have one more question and that is on on the flyers in getting this out. Um
are you um what kinds of you know h how wide is that um that distribution going to be and all that kind of stuff? >> Yeah. So I think we're going to start with the local housing organization. So
you know going to Salison project going to Cso making sure service net and DMH have these flyers available. Um, and we'll also do like the library here at city hall, you know, >> um, start a little bit small. Um,
because believe it or not, just being on our website, we get calls about it. And so those people who are looking for it are finding this available. So, I think we're going to start small and then if the committee is nice and approves a
larger amount, we may start to look at doing things like Facebook and other um advertising that will grow it further. I just want to make sure we're clear though, this is only for people in Greenfield. We won't use this for
someone moving somewhere else. if they're moving in Greenfield, this is what makes them eligible. Um, >> anything else? Anyone else have any other questions on this on this proposal?
>> Okay, then we'll move on to the ghai. So, just a quick overview for any of those who haven't seen um the Greenfield Housing Authority has a nonprofit affiliate called Greenfield Housing
Associates and we own a four family on Deerfield Street. For years, we've had an attic space that at one point before the h the house Greenfield Housing Associates owned it, um looks like they
attempted to make units and or had units that were never permitted at some point. Um and so there's a shower in one half of it and like a partial what almost was a kitchen at some point. So um because
there's such a need for housing, we um have started the process of converting this to two additional studio potentially one-bedroom units. They are
going to be small but um they will be for income eligible. Um we've gotten two um proposals. The committee sees one for $645,000. Um, we've asked for a h 100,000. Um, we
have some money through Greenfield Housing Associates. We plan on applying for CDBG money, which we hope will come through for the existing roof because that appears that it would be eligible
for that. Um and then we'll continue taking on other um debt if need be to complete the project >> questions. Um the proposal said they'd be available for uh folks at or below 100% AMI. Is
that typical for the housing authority? >> No. So, so that is a CPC regulation that we have to be at the 100%. We typically have folks at low, very low, and
moderate. So, 80%, 60%, 30%. So, um this is higher um but it is that income level locally that the housing study that was presented targets us also needing this
level of affordability for people >> and it's okay for you as a housing authority to rent to people above 80%. >> Yep. Yep. and and specifically because we're doing it at with our nonprofit um Greenville Housing Associates.
>> Donna. >> Yeah. So, um you do answer this question, but I'll still ask it because it's the one you always ask, Jack. Um [laughter] uh the partial funding question. So, in
in your um application, you say that um you would probably prioritize the sprinkler system. Can you talk a little bit about why that's important, where the house is right now on that um point
and um yeah, just explain how you might go about that. >> Absolutely. So, so a four family does not require a sprinkler system. So, adding two units, it will trigger us requiring a sprinkler system. The reason
I say I'd love to use the the money is because this will be the biggest hurdle for us. So, like I can't get my staff could do a lot of the renovations upstairs and we could we could pull permits and we could do a lot of the
work. The sprinkler system is what is required to create new units and the money that the CPC is eligible to fund is that which would create new units. And so um that's where I targeted that
um piece and it is also the hardest for us to find other funds for. Um and it also will provide benefits to the existing units as an additional safety
feature. Um so because it's for the creation, I like that aspect, but it also will um benefit four other families that are currently living. Um the other units are twobedrooms and they um they
all currently have children living in them as well. So, um, this is just like a nice little bonus. >> Other questions? Done. Unbelievable. But we may be done. [laughter] We may be done. Okay. Um, if there are
no other questions, we'll move on to old business. And uh go for it, Anna. >> I just had two project updates and I guess um Jack can speak to the first one as well, but we received a closeout
report for the fiscal year 25 um uh housing housing ghai housing associates, Inc. uh Conway Street additional units. Um so my understanding is that the CPC funds have been spent. They were spent
on this pre-development work. Um and uh I asked Stephen to please keep us updated when you guys are able to break ground and actually start building the units. But if you have any sense of when that would be. >> Yeah. So the
exciting part is we knew that there was some inground work. So, the housing authority, a lot of our properties have sill um and so um when we need to do the foundation and get other um work done on
the site, we're going to be up against this sill that we either can't have a basement and we just have to do a slab. And so working with Mass Housing Partnership, their team in helping us investigate and
move forward with the best course forward, um really felt strongly that we needed to have all that information when it came to us going out to bid to um get accurate numbers as we apply for
additional funding. And so um the study that we had done is called the geotechnical study and it dives deep into the makeup of the soil and how how much sill was present and they had to
drill down. Um admittedly I have no idea what most of it means but when we go out to bid it's going to be extremely critical um for them to have and that's why we we submitted that as
pre-development work. The longer answer is that um we will begin to start seeking other funds um over the next two years. Um based on everything happening federally and what
funds the state has um it likely will be at least two years until we start to make um more headway. Um, we did have a special permit approved. It now has officially run out. Um, but we will
start that process again to renew that special permit. Um, and hopefully get some some units built there. Um, as a reminder for the committee, um, the housing authority owns that land. And
one of the reasons that we chose that is because the state has looked at what's called our 705 portfolio. So, the housing authority has 40 little houses that are three and four bedrooms. And so
they've historically had more money to try to build on that piece of land. And so we figured the best way we might be able to get some money is building it on one of our existing smaller sites. Um,
and it it's looking like we may be successful. Um, there's supposed to be a round potentially coming out on it, so we're looking forward to that. Any questions about this?
Okay, moving on. >> And then the other update also fiscal year 25 project um uh the first Franklin building owned by the Connecticut River Conservancy. So, you guys recall um they
they had they were told by the historic society that they needed to do something different with their windows that essentially doubled their window budget. So, they want to use CPC funds for that. And they actually went ahead and they've already ordered purchased the materials
for that. And um I just thought that was speedy and cool. So, they're looking to start construction on it this spring, but they have the materials ordered from Pella. Um and and that is the substantial chunk of their CPC funding. So, uh they'll probably be able to close
out with CPC this summer. >> Great. Love to see pictures once they get it done. >> Any questions for Anna on that? >> Okay. Our next meeting is February 11th
at 5:00 pm in this very room or online. Um, and I will entertain a motion. >> Make a motion to adjurnn. >> Yep. Second. All those in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Good. Thank you very very much.
Uh, we adjourn this meeting at 5:38. Part: 2
Okay, today is January 28th. Um, we are at the fire station for the public safety commission meeting. Okay, I will call the meeting to order. Um, if this me meeting is being recorded by anybody other than the public safety
commission either uh locally or online, please state that you're recording the meeting now. Is anybody recording the meeting here? Is anybody recording the meeting online? >> I'd like to record, please. >> Okay. Anthony,
just make a note of it. Anyone else? Okay. All right. I'll take a roll call from the commissioners. Commissioner Bger >> present. Commissioner Jarvis >> here. >> Moss Keratollo is here. Commissioner
Braph. >> Commissioner Burge >> here. >> Commissioner Dixon >> here. >> And Commissioner Illinois is not present. All right. So, we have a quorum. Excellent.
All right. I'm going to move right into public comment. I'll start with folks that are in the room. Try to bring my timer up. Bear with me. Um, is there anybody in the room that would like to uh come up and give us public comment? Can
>> can I go? Can we change the order of that please? Um, to align with the agenda possible because um I have to take some people to a meeting about 25 minutes. >> Okay. So, you want to you want to change public comment to after statements
>> if that's possible. >> Okay. Um, can I get a motion for that from >> second? All in favor? >> Um, you want to I'm going to you do you want to do that before the reorg too? Okay. So, we'll move right on. We We'll
save public comment after your comments. Great. >> All right. We're going to move on to um our annual reorganization of the public safety commission. Um we are reorganizing for chair, vice chair, and secretary.
Um, does does any of the public safety commissioners need me to explain what the roles and responsibilities are of these three positions? You do. Okay, great. So, the chair position is to um facilitate and
organize the public safety commission meetings. um communicate with the uh mayor and the city, communicate with the police and fire chief and AMR. Uh relay all that information back to public safety commissioners. Um the chair is
responsible to organize the agenda for all the meetings. The chair is responsible to make sure that the commissioners if they have questions that they want to ask departments that they're organized and that those questions are on the agenda.
um and basically run the meeting, facilitate and make sure the other public safety commissioners have what they need to have a successful meeting. The vice chair would do the same thing. If the chair was not um officially
present or couldn't be present, the vice chair would have the same authority and same responsibilities and the secretary would be working with um the uh fire department and the city to
make sure the meeting minutes were up to date, distributed to the uh public safety commissioners so they could vote on them. And once they're voted, the secretary will make sure that those meetings are sent in to the um city hall for for the record. Any questions on the
three positions? Okay, we will start with chair. Is there anybody that wants to nominate for themselves or somebody else for the position of chair? >> So, >> okay. Ed Jarvis is nominating himself.
Any other nominations for chair? I nominate David. Motel. >> Okay. All right. Would either of the folks nominated like to speak? >> Yeah, I'll speak a little bit. Just a little bit of background. I I have 30
years in public safety. I understand how the cities are run. I understand how departments are run. I understand the the city finance and budget procedures. Um, I was deputy fire chief for four years,
fire prevention captain for eight years, shift captain for four years, and the rest of my time was on the floor. I spent three two and a half years on city council and three three years here. So, that's my
background in the community. Excellent. Thank you. >> All right. Um, I just briefly say that folks know me. I've been the chair for a while. Um, I think it's important for um, everybody to um, to rotate
positions. I'd be willing to do the chair if folks again if folks vote me in. Um, and I um, you know, I think the elected positions are very important um, for the success of the public safety commission.
That's it. All right. So we will take I think we should do a individual vote if unless any other commissioners have questions for the >> I have a question. Do we have to second >> the nomination or no? >> Yes, we should second the two nominations. Sorry. Can someone second
the two nominations? >> I made the one. So someone else has to >> if somebody wants to make a second you can. Okay. And we second do we did seconds. Did we do a second for Adam? I'm sorry.
>> I I did it for you. So, >> yeah, Ed, >> do a second for Ed. Somebody, please. >> I'll do a second for >> Okay, great. >> to be fair. All right. So, um >> I do have one question. Yes. >> Is this for a term of one year? Is that >> It's one year term. We rotate every year
on both all in all three positions. >> Okay. Okay. >> And you've been doing it for the last couple years. >> It's been a while. Yes. Yep. Exactly. >> All right. So, um, let's go right into it. Um, I
think we'll do vote for Ed first. So, we'll go right down the line and I'll take a tally of the the votes. Um, Commissioner Barger. >> Uh, I pause yes or no for Ed as the chair. Yes. Okay.
Jarvis, >> yes. >> Okay. Moscarattomo, I'm going to sustain on voting for myself and anybody else. Raph, >> yes. >> Okay. Dixon, >> yes. >> Burge,
>> we're voting for >> Ed right now. >> Okay, that's enough. All right. All right. I don't think that we have to vote for me. So, congratulations. You are the new chair of the public safety commission. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Well, let's move on to vice chair. Are there any nominations or anybody want to nominate themselves for the position of or nominate others for vice chair? >> Nominate David. >> Yeah, >> vice ch
which David is David. >> David, >> I second that. >> Yeah. >> Anybody else? >> All right. Um, we'll go right into I'm not going to introduce myself again. We'll go right into the vote.
Commissioner Burgerer, >> yes. >> Sorry. Jarvis, >> yes. >> Moscarito, I sustained voting for myself. Raph, >> yes. >> Burge, >> yes. >> Dixon, >> yes. >> And David Leno is not here. All right. We have a vice chair.
>> Um, anybody would like to recommend somebody for secretary? How many Maria? >> I will second that. Maria, would you like to say anything? >> Nope. I think I can handle that.
>> Okay. All right. Let's take a vote. Um, Commissioner Barger, >> yes. >> Travis, >> yes. >> Moscarito, yes. Graph, >> yes. >> Purge, >> abstain. >> Dixon, >> yes.
>> And David is not here. All right, we've completed our annual reorganization. Chair, would you like to continue with the running the meeting or would you like me to finish this off? >> I'll follow I'll follow along. I'll I'll I'll take it over if you want and then
you can just >> I'm asking you if you want me to continue it or if you want to take it over. >> I'll take it over. >> Okay. >> But I might have trouble following you. That's okay. But >> so there was a ch there was a little bit of a change and I'll help you with that. >> So we're through that. So, now we're
going to move on to um the mayor. We're going to move on to the mayor's um response to um >> Yeah. Mayor's response to Cambress. >> Cambers. Yes. >> So, can you state your name and for the
not for us? We all know who you are. For the the folks in Zoomland, please. >> I am Erin Anhal. I am the chief of staff for the city of Greenfield and I'm here on behalf of Mayor Dorer who was unable to make it tonight. Um as I think we all know there's been a lot of discussion
about block cameras in um the past few weeks. Oh and congratulations to you chair but uh sorry to back up. Um, so we all know that there's been a lot of conversation about the flock cameras in the past few months and the mayor is um
very thankful for all comment and feedback that she received and has made the decision to remove these cameras and terminate our use of block system based on public feedback as well as the current national climate. I have
complete confidence in our police department and they've never given any of us any reason to believe that these cameras would have been misused intentionally under any circumstances. I have full faith they will be able to maintain the
same safety standards that we've come to depend on them for. And at the same time, it's in the city's interest to protect the community by eliminating the potential for misuse, especially from outside actors. It was super especially in this current
environment. Mayor is so thankful for the people in the community who showed up to talk about these cameras and the concerns surrounding them. Those voices had a significant impact on the mayor's understanding and perspective these cameras and block which ultimately led to her decision to end the city's use of
the system. The city's budgetary decisions are values-based decisions. All of them are. And in light of that, the mayor has directed Chief Dodge to have these cameras removed as soon as possible. If they are not able to be removed before the end of the contract, which I believe
they will be based on current updates, they will be disabled by city employees as soon as possible. We are thankful for the chief's collaboration in implementing this change and for all the work that he and our public safety commission and our police department do
make sure that our community remains safe and growing. Thank you. >> Thank you for your time. >> All right. So, now we're going to move into public comments before we have an open discussion with public safety commission commissioners about Faulk
cameras. So, is there anybody in the room that would like to come up and make public comments? Is there anybody online that would like to make public comments tonight? If you do, just state your name, where you live, your residence, and um you'll get
your three minutes. >> I can't see very well. >> There's two hands up. >> Okay. So, Mike Mike Love it, would you like to state your your uh where where you live and um you have three minutes to speak?
>> Sure. Can you hear me? Okay, >> I can. We can hear you fine. Yes. I'm going to start the timer. Okay. >> Okay. Uh I'm Mike Love um on Maple Street and I want to thank the the mayor uh for being so receptive to this. Um
you know, I I do hope that as soon as possible is that because it does feel like there is not a minute to waste here. Um they're already in Portland, Maine. ICE is already in Portland, Maine, and they're talking about adding
license plate numbers to databases around domestic terrorism. Like the these are real conversations. They are seemingly bragging about it on the streets. And you know, it's especially concerning when that's the information they're talking about and that's the exact information Flock purports to
capture and provide value with. So, you know, I again am really receptive to that. I'm receptive to to Chief Dodge and and everyone else who is is acting on this quickly and um you know I I really do hope that as soon as possible means that says Greenfield can be an
example here because as much as it's great that they won't be in Greenfield, there's a chance that they're still in neighboring towns and they can pose a threat in some way to Greenfield residents. So, I, you know, thank everyone else who's who's spoken up
about it, but um it does feel like there's still more work to do, but thank you for being so receptive and and working to get this resolved because it's really important. Thanks. >> All right. Thank you for your time, Mike. >> Is there anyone else that would like to
speak? Public comment. There's >> There was one more person that had >> What is it? >> EJ. Hi. Hi. Yeah. Um, and I think there's one other person. >> Can you state your name? Can you state your name and where you >> Yes, of course. Um, my name is EJ Baker.
I'm a resident of Precinct 6 on Franklin Street. Um, I was just going to say I think there's one other person online who'd like to comment after me. Um, I'm also commenting to, uh, you know, voice my support for the mayor's decision here, um, for all the same reasons that
she listed in her statement. And I also would like to echo Mike's sentiment that I hope we are able to kind of get these cameras removed as soon as possible. And I'd also like to encourage uh the commission to sort of review other contracts under your purview for similar
concerns um to ensure that citizens in Greenfield are truly safe and not simply surveiled. Thank you. >> Welcome. >> And there's one other person I think. >> Yeah. Hi. Um,
>> I want to also thank >> Can you state your name and what you please? >> Yes. Natasha, um, precinct 3, Birch Street in Green. >> Natasha, I need your last name. You need to say your full name. Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. I just want to agree with everyone
with EJ with um Mike. Um I'm really glad that the cameras will be uh taken down as soon as possible and disabled before that's you know if it's not possible to do it at least disabled and um I do think as Mike said that we have the
opportunity to be an example to other towns around us. Um, and you know, I would have appreciated, I think, a, you know, a little bit more forethought and research into the possible ramifications of of what this contract might have brought and all of the, you know,
negative public opinion that resulted from it. So, um, perhaps in the future, you know, that can that can be something that happens just like EJ said so that we're actually safe and not just being monitored. So, that's it. Thank you very
much. You're welcome. >> Can I ask what? >> No, you can't. There's no there's no comment back and forth with folks giving public comment. I >> I do want to make a public comment. So, >> you you could let me just finish with um the online folks first. Is there anybody
else online that would like to make public comment? I don't see any hands up. If you if you want to speak up now, please speak up. Okay. If you'd like to come up and state your name and your address. Um,
>> you're welcome to come up. >> Hi. Hello. Good evening. >> Hi. >> Um, >> could you please state your name and your address? >> My name is Dartha Melikov. I live in I think I'm in precinct 4 and I'm on Norwood Street.
>> Okay. Thank you so much. Um, I wanted to listen because I just really was learning about what was going on fairly recently. Um, and it is sort of how I uh had learned. So, I'm really glad to hear the mayor um her thoughts and that she
um you moved in this direction and I agree with everything that people have been saying. Um I don't know where the cameras are located. I'm interested in that. Um, but I would like to see them uh disconnected or disabled in some way so they're not functioning. Um, and I
also agree that there should be a better process that's more transparent so that we know know about these things. Um, and it's I guess it's a little ironic that it's in a public safety meeting because I also agree that this doesn't make us safe. Um
and it does make us u more surveiled and more distrusting and more separate and it's just going down a rabbit hole and we see where it where it will lead. Um and I think it's time to stop it now. So thank you. >> Thank you for your comments. Appreciate
it. >> Y um and congratulations and and thank you. >> Thank you for your time. >> Okay. Is there anybody else online that would like to give public comment before I close it? Going once, going twice. Okay, I'm
closing public comments. Moving on. I'd like to move on to um portion where um the public safety commission has a chance to comment about the removal of the block cameras. give commissioners
um some time to if they want to discuss that. We're not voting on anything uh with respect to that, but I wanted to give folks time to make any comments or have any questions they'd like to ask um the police chief.
So, do any public safety commissioners want to make any comments on 12 cameras? You would >> absolutely >> I'd like to know. >> Can't see him. >> Come on up, Chief. Ready? The seat's
hot. >> They're gone. They're going away. >> First off, um I'm commenting that I wasn't consulted. I had no idea that this was happening and that we had no input as
far as I know as a commission as to whether these things would be taken offline or left. I have no idea how useful they are to the police department. I have no idea how intrusive or invasive they are because I have no
idea who has used them and for what because it looks like it's a complete closed system only for the police and for the law enforcement. So I don't see any reason why somebody should fear these uh cameras. But
barring that I I just was not consulted as a commissioner and I feel left out of the conversation. So just because the budget says that they should go, I feel that we we should be consulted at least and we have input. Is there anything
you'd like to tell me that I should need to know about the cameras beside the fact that they're gone? >> Well, I you know, I talked to now vice chair uh today, yesterday, um and he voiced his frustration with
the fact that he wasn't in that conversation. And I and I can't disagree, right? Plain and simple. Uh back when this town became a city, they had a charter committee and that charter committee developed a charter that put
in it a public safety commission. So that particular committee felt it important enough to create a public safety commission for all things public safety. This certainly falls in that room. So, um, I I'm not going to sit
here and point fingers as to who dropped the ball, but I think it certainly is a public safety matter that should have been discussed with public. Um, the the other side of that coin is we've been to the deputy chief and I go
to every single city council meeting, everyone. We never miss them. And what I can say is that individuals spoke at these public meetings in opposition of FL.
There was three last time, two maybe the time before that and none in support. So that's what you get. Um I'm not going to get political about this. I I like I said in any of my conversations with
city councilors, the mayor to you, I'm going to tell you I'm not going to let this department live and die from block cameras. It's not worth it. Right? So if the majority of those who want to talk about it, three say they don't want it,
that's what the city's getting. I don't have a choice in that. Okay. So the the comments that were made about flock up to and including to the mayor, that's it. She's my boss. She's your boss. She's our boss. She doesn't want Flock. You're gone. >> Well, I was hoping that at least she
would ask for our input and ask for us to review any information that she was getting uh including asking for public comment. >> Sure. uh in general because at the council meeting I can't make the council meetings and I don't know of anybody
else who's working who can go at night because they have to work the next day to these council meetings. So I don't know about regular working people but I know that people who are making comments are making them without my knowledge.
So I I'd like to have the mayor at least consider the fact that we did not get input. We did not give input and we didn't get any facts. >> I think um just responding to that I don't think anything here was done maliciously.
>> No, >> I think I think it was an oversight on everybody's part to not include the public safety commission. >> Okay. >> But I think if the public safety commission sits on their hands with this one, it will continue in that trend. So I had I had advised the chair. It it
seems reasonable for me to me that he speak up or you this committee speak up if you want to be if you want to valid validate yourself as that entity because like I said the forefathers and mothers who drafted our charter said you were important said we need a public safety
commission to oversee all things public safety. A flock camera, which is a security automatic license plate reader system that is run by your police department is clearly falls in the realm of public safety. So yes, you should have been in on the conversation. Does
that mean it would have had a different outcome? I don't probably not. But the reality is we don't have the money for it right now. You know, we have to definitely um pitch every penny right now. So um that that was never out of our budget. It was out of other means.
one like I like you said if you read the articles the first two cameras were purchased from a grant I had written it it's called the burn grant I wrote that four years ago was approved got those cameras three years ago beyond that we have the law enforcement trust money we bought two more with okay and the reason
why we got those was because we had um we are part of the local um Northwest District Attorney task force anti-rime task force and we had a member uh at the time detective Batinsky on that task
force and he rubbed shoulders with law enforcement officials far and wide as part of that task force. The concept of flock came to us essentially through him and he set up anformational where representatives came and it was an amazing software. It absolutely it's
software like I've never seen before. So we signed up for it. We wanted to give it a shot. It solved many crimes but not only crimes. It has found missing persons. It has prevented suicides. We have located people via plate numbers
from suicide attempts or fleeing. That was the Lowe's incident that apparently made big news. Um, we did link up with a Lowe's and I believe it was Worcester and they found the person and prevented him from taking his life. So, um, good things have happened because of flock.
What I cannot answer is I'm not an IT guy, right? I just I don't know it that well. Can they be u infiltrated? probably I don't know and there's where the fears so there are people out there much better than me at computers and
hacking and we know very major you know things have happened with that computer systems across the world I don't know how they do it but Flock is a Wi-Fi sort of a self-contained Wi-Fi camera that's charged by solar panels
I don't know I couldn't tell you I don't I'm not that smart at computers but If it's if it's a computer, I imagine it can be hacked and that's what people are. >> One more question. Is this the same type of system that's on the bumpers of some of the municipal
uh officers cars in some of the big cities and things of that sort. >> So ALPR has been around for over a decade or more. It used to be Yes. what you were seeing there. It used to be this real clunky that the cruiser would be driving down the road and there's stuff all over it. Right. And that's what it would they were designed to run
through parking lots and as you're driving down the road as an attempt to find stolen motor vehicles. So yes, that's exactly what it is. Automatic license plate reader system. The Flock, however, is owned by a third party company. They own, you know, it's a private company. Who who owns Flock? For
all intents and purposes and everything they're telling us, the data is ours. It is Greenfields. It's not turned over to anybody unless we approve that turned over to anybody. and it rewrites overwrites itself after 30 days, the data doesn't exist anymore.
Again, I can't corroborate that because I don't know enough about it. I don't know. So, if the Greenfield Police Department, at least my stance on is we have tried since I took over, we have tried to reestablish relationships with
the community. We take every step we possibly can to do that. I'm not going to live and die by flock. Plain and simple. our our residents have to trust us. I don't know of anything. We haven't yet tried to make that happen. We we're in the community every day. Um we have
initiatives up to and including this weekend. We're going down to West Springfield and loading the biggest vehicle we have full of backpacks and you know they're going to be winter jackets and gloves and socks and mittens and everything you need to survive the winter. Um once again, your police department's going down there and we don't keep that stuff. It goes to
people. >> Question. Are we a sanctuary city? >> I don't know. >> Okay. You You haven't been told by the mayor or anybody that we are or no? >> I'd like to think you're safe in this city. >> Oh, no. >> All right. Is there other commissioners
have questions to to the chief? >> I would like to express my frustration also. I got all that information today and I had eight hours to digest and I saw everything that the police have used this camera. I personally being a woman
of color and everybody's worried about whether I'm going to be picked up by eyes. I'm not. I feel safe in this place. I've been here for over almost 50 years. Um, and I see how many manh hours
you're going to have to use to do the same thing that these chemists would do. So yes, I am very frustrated about not being included or not being informed. >> Other comments?
>> Um, one thing that I think you've said a couple times is that you don't know if the information has been shared or can be shared. Um, and that based on what they're telling you that it's unclear. I guess I read through the terms of service for Flock
today and there is very clearly a section in there that says that they can share Greenfield's data with federal agencies for law enforcement purposes. And so I'm just wondering if you've read the terms of service if you've seen that. >> Yep. >> Okay. So it's just
>> I know I know that part but see they you set it up and actually Anthony from the recorder came and saw it. So there's there's basically toggles on our system and it asks you your preference your sharing preferences right and the only way we will share is upon request it
doesn't auto share we have it selected so it doesn't auto share to f specifically says federal agencies and ours is request only they they can't get it unless they make a formal request so they're not again I don't know hackers I don't know what capabilities they have
but I can today is that this is what Flock says it's doing. Okay? And they're saying based on your settings because we made sure we we went into our settings. Our settings are we can we will only share with a federal agency upon request for information from that agency. And up
until this point, that has not happened. I can't I can't attest to whether or not it happened outside of that. What I can say is Greenfield opted to not share and that's all I can see in our system and you can feel free to come up. I'll show you what I'm talking about that we have
it so that it's not just automatically sharing with anybody. So, so I understand all of this. I understand the public outcry. I understand your position. What I want to know as a public safety commissioner is when these
cameras are removed, how is the department and what is it going to take for the department to ensure that they can do some of this good stuff? Is it is it extra work? What what is it going to take to save that person's life? If you can't track their license plate and
where they're at or if someone goes missing and you can't track if they left town, what is it going to take the department to actually do that extra work to ensure these good things are still happening? It's nothing more than going back to what traditional police work is. I mean, what we do is we, you guys have heard the term bolo, be on the
lookout, right? So, um, historically, what we would do before flock gave us another thing to check. U, but what we would do is we'd go through and we'd relay out. So, so we use we'd utilize county dispatch and say, "Hey, we have a a Mazda pickup with mass tags that are
close to this number. Put it out, right? Put it out to the county. We're looking for this black Mazda pickup. Right. Right now, we do that, but we also go to our computer and we look for a black Mazda pickup and see if it traveled through Greenfield and and caught one of our four cameras. Right. So, it's really
nothing more. We're going to do the same thing. We just don't have that one tool at our disposal anymore. >> Seems like a pretty important tool when it comes missing. >> Well, it can be. Yeah. I mean, if someone you care about, you'd want to find them. Yeah. But again, we prior to
Flock, we did good police work and again that shouldn't be forgotten about. We solved a lot of crimes. We found a lot of people. We we initiate a broad network of people when we need it. So the entire county comes alive. We also have systems uh our our dispatchers can
send out general broadcasts and send them all over the country or just down the eastern seabboard. They can pick locations they want them sent to to send this information out up to the minute. So, um, we're good at it. Flock was just another tool to help.
>> Thank you for answering, Commissioner. >> Thank you. >> Question. >> There's no questions for public. The meeting's closed. The commissioners. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I I just like to say I understand people's outcry about it. I understand the concerns. Um, me
personally, I'm not concerned about federal agents, but the old saying until you walk the mile in somebody else's shoes. So, I can understand people's outcry. I I I just think that this is an important tool that expedites your job and makes
it faster and safer for Amber Alerts for for missing people and for you know an Amber Alert. You know, oh the car left the town, say the camera was in the north end and headed up the Mohawk Trail, you would know that that's where you have to look at it and their choices
are slim about where they're going to get off off the Mohawk Trail or French King Highway or wherever they are. I don't even know where the four cameras are. Um, so I think it's a very important tool tool that was in the toolbox that could expedite your job and
make people safer. I understand people's concerns. Um, and and as I'm not going to get political on it, but I'm just going to say that I think they that by removing these, we've taken
away a very important tool that expedited police work and made it so there wasn't that mistake being made that you knew where that vehicle was gone. That's that's my only concern about it and that I I think it would that it's an early warning system to
where you know if a bad guy is coming or going into your community. Plain and simple. I understand people's concerns and their outcry about it and people do have a reason to be concerned. >> Um but
I really do think that they've taken a very crucial piece of equipment away from public safety. So with that, >> well, you know, my response to that is we did we thought it was pretty that's when we sat there and saw what it could do,
>> but we also I don't want to be so closeminded as to think there is another opinion. So when when we were looking at this, we were looking at this through a very narrow lens as investigators and as investigators, yeah, wow, this is this is awesome. This is going to speed
things up because not only does it does it run plates as it goes, we can actually enter information into it and it sends us an alert when it does travel by so we can get there up to the minute. So as an inst just investigators, yes, what an amazing tool added to us. Okay.
But there are the other sides to that, you know, when when opening up your lenses a little bit. I get it. And and I can't I I could sit here and talk all day. I can't I can't say what Flock is doing with the information. I can say what they're telling me they're doing with the information, but I guess there
was enough people concerned about what they're doing with the information that the mayor was inclined to make a decision. And and like I said, furthermore, I don't have the money anyway. I just don't have the money right now. It's going to be $12,000. Budget season's coming up. It's not going to be fun. So, we have to make
choices. We have to prioritize. So, with all the angles that we approach this on, blocks got to go. And again, I got information today so the public can be aware. Um, Jay Batinski is working with our rep. They should be down within five to seven days. >> Just inform us when they're down.
>> Hey Cameron, just so you know, not that we're trying to drag feed or anything like that. Um, I'm cheap and I try to get money back. I mean, our contracts aren't up, so I wanted to try to get some pr-rated funds back. It seems they're saying, "No, you're canceling your contract. You're not getting anything back." But the cameras are
theirs. We pay for the service. The cameras are theirs. So technically they're theirs to come and get back, right? We weren't going to wait for them if it was going to take a month. We were going to send our central maintenance down and disconnect them, put them in nice neat boxes and let flocking come
and get them. But they responded today and they said to to the lieutenant, five, seven days they'll be gone. So be be it'll be behind us. >> You have to pay for the rest of the contract. >> Well, they are. It's already pay ahead. Yeah, we're closing down $3,000 a year.
Two of them. We're losing 10 months. >> Did you any other comments or questions from commissioners? >> I think the only question I have that hasn't been addressed is um how long
were the when did the contract start in terms of the collecting the data? Um >> so for two of the cameras about three years ago. It's rough. So, yeah, we did two and then another two. >> Okay. >> When we originally signed up, we did threeear contracts. They were 2,000 a
piece. Now, they're 3,000 a piece. So, again, they're they're for for us little town little city of Greenville, that's they're cost prohibitive anyway. It's expensive. >> They're Yeah, but they're they just went up recently. Correct. The cameras >> when when we're talking about renewing. Yeah. When we're renewing, they went
from previously 2,000 a year per camera to now 3,000 a year per camera. results. We have two that would be due I think May and then two that are due by October and November >> and we've been paying for the service
for the last three years or >> we when when again when I bought the first two we bought it on a grant they had three years so that was paid for out of a grant and then the second two were paid for out of the law enforcement trust money which is not taxpayer stuff doesn't affect tax rate Um, so we paid
for that out of a fund. That's the task force. So the DA's task force that I talked about earlier, the anti-rime task force, they acquire proceeds through seizures and they get distributed to the to the participating agencies. So flock cameras were purchased using that that
fund. >> So again, it didn't affect tax. >> But the system itself, has it how long has it been collecting the information? I know it goes >> three years for the two and two years for the other, >> but again, it's gone in 30 days. Each camera's gone in 30 minutes.
>> Comments. >> Thank you. >> I have one one more question. Did the did they consult the DA's office to ask them whether they wanted to continue their uh use of these? >> So that was suggested and we did pass it on to say listen it's this is we got it
through you in terms of the idea. They're not interested in your >> Okay, that's fine. >> Okay. So, before we close on this subject, I would like to say um that to me and maybe some parent out there, I
don't care about $12,000. A life is worth more than $12,000. And if I was a parent or I was a partner with somebody and they have gone missing and you had a tool that could be used to find that person and save their life, to me personally, it's worth it. I understand
the public outcry. I even a agree with a large portion of it, but I also believe with the chair that I hope that the efficiency uh when something comes up that's an
Amber Alert or that's important comes up, you could react just as quick without these cameras. And that's my comment and how I feel as a public safety. >> Well, Amber Alert goes over everybody's thing. So, Amber Alert's a thing in and of itself. The disappearance of block one is like
anything to do with a handler. >> You're good to go. >> Any other comments from commissioners? >> Done beating me up? Good. >> No, you'll be back up. >> We're going to move. We're going to move on. >> Wait till the next round. >> Go stretch.
>> All right. >> Right. >> So, >> no, I'm going to move up to I gota We got We're going to approve meeting minutes. Do you all have them for December 17th? >> Um, if I could get some mo a motion in a
second to approve of December. >> Yes. >> Excuse me. Perhaps >> right. >> Um, it says >> policies update by Chief Dodge. >> Hold on a second. Can you deputy gonna
mute everybody? Thank you. All that. Okay. Go ahead. Tuition. >> Alice. Just uh um by Chief Dodge, Deputy Green, and Sergeant Ra. I'd like to recognize that at that time, Sergeant Ra
was not was a lieutenant. >> What line are you on? Can you tell me please? >> Where it says police updates? >> That's okay. Sergeant, >> is it supposed to be read lieutenant? >> It should say lieutenant. >> She's acting lieutenant. >> Acting lieutenant, it should say.
>> All right. So that should be corrected. Yes, we can get that corrected. Let's take note of that. >> All right. >> And um motion to adjurnn. We're missing motion masc. >> So
>> is it was the motion by moto? I don't think >> that's that's all. >> All right. We can get those corrected. All right. Is there anything else that needed adjourned? We can approve the
with making these amendments. >> Yes. >> Make a motion that we approve and the amendment. >> All right. Okay. All in favor? >> I Okay, we'll make sure we get these. All right. Now, we're back on track.
There we go. Okay. Well, um, now that Dave's got me back on track, we'll call up AMR. >> No, we're going to do this one. >> What? Which one now? Which one did I miss?
>> Oh, I thought that was what that was motion. Yeah. Hey, we're gonna we're gonna AMR to sit right there for a second. >> This won't take long. >> This won't take long. posted to reconsider reconsideration of December
17th vote for capital budgets. >> So the reason why I added this on here is when I was the chair is I felt like we should be voting for and prioritizing individual items instead of bulk approving everything all at once. So
when the police fire department and the police come up, I we expect them to talk about the indiv individual capital items and we will we will say yes or no with our approval for on an individual basis.
So I would like to um get a motion to reconsider our vote so we start over. >> I'll make that motion. See I made the first motion to consider it. How's that? >> Is there a second? Second. >> Okay. And we could all vote on this except for
Commissioner Illinois cuz he wasn't here. >> Right. >> So, um I guess I'll do a all in Well, I'll do a um individual. >> Commissioner Bar, >> yes. >> Jarvis, >> yeah. >> Moscari, yes. Raph,
>> yes. >> Berg, >> yes. >> Dixon, >> yes. >> Okay. So we are we have rescended our votes on capital budget. Now floor is yours. >> Yeah. Thank you. So I guess I have to ask the chief says
the or do you want to >> No, we'll do it individually. >> We're going to do it individually at another meeting. >> No, we're going to do it when each of them come up. >> Oh, I see you have it in there now. Okay. I didn't print this up. So >> it's okay. No worries. I'm here to >> That's why Dave's there to assist. >> I'm the vice chair. you can assist
>> and then I need all the assistance I can get. AMR, please. Now you folks can come up. The first time was just run to see if you were awake >> again. Please um introduce yourself to the Zoom folks that are online. >> Oh, hold yours better. They're in color.
>> They are. Well, his in color. >> I got >> I You pass them out. It's fine. No worries. >> I have back I do backup, you know. I do backup. as you'll find out. >> Thank you. Introduce yourself to all the folks that are on Zoom.
>> Hi, I'm Kim D'Angelo, the operations manager for AMR. >> Hello, Patrick Lear, regional director for AMR. >> Thank you for being here. >> Appreciate it. >> All right, I know there's some heckline in the back today, but we are short and sweet. Uh we finished out December, our
busiest month. Uh we did have over 600 requests for service, which is pretty crazy up here. Uh first page transports, ALS versus BLS, priority one, priority two requests, and then average per day. Uh they stay pretty consistently even.
Uh we did a lot of close work with fire department as usual for the overflow of calls, but we transported just over 300 patients last month. Um the QRV on the front page is incorrect. So there's a second page that's specific to the fly
car. Uh I know we spoke last meeting about uh we lost the day shift paramedics. So the paramedics that were covering the flag car for the majority of the month got moved to the transporting truck. Uh so volume was pretty consistently low for the vehicle. Uh they did transport with six patients.
Two were with our BLS crews and four were mutual aid uh for the fire department or surrounding towns. And we're looking a lot better as far as having that vehicle in service more frequently for January. So I'm kind of excited to see where we fall with
transports and utilization. Um fun news, shout out to the moose. They had a wonderful donation of stuffed animals for our trucks last week. Uh Suen was able to go up and accept the donation. So we really appreciate that. Anytime we put a kid in vacuums, if we can give them a stuffed animal, it makes it a
little bit better. Not a great experience, but makes it makes it a little better any questions for us. >> So is the fly car position we has somebody been rehired or is it's been filled? >> So fly car is a part-time pickup
position. Yeah, >> because of the hours that scheduled, it doesn't really make sense to put it full-time >> just yet. >> Um, it's an appealing pickup shift for our paramedics though, so it's usually pretty quick to fill. However, our commitment is the two ALS trucks for 24.
So, if there's an opening, they do get shifted. >> Anybody have any questions for AMI comments? Um, just that we Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Oh, no. I just want to say that we appreciate you partnering with our police and fire departments and all all
you do for our community. >> Thank you. We're happy to be here. >> Thank you for that. We'll call the fire department up. Um, please introduce yourselves through the cameras in case there's somebody out there that doesn't know who you are.
>> Uh, Bob Strand. I'm the fire chief and emergency management director. >> And my name is Peter McCyver. I'm the deputy fire chief. Uh before we get into the report, uh since AMR just did their
report, um I want to say that uh we've had a a longstanding uh fix, if you will, for uh Candyic Link, um and they have developed the solution and we have been monitoring it uh where we can
actually see the calls that are coming in and uh there's more to more to come on that, but I can't thank them enough for uh getting that work done. importance. It's uh it's been a long time and we appreciate it. So, thank you very much. Uh you how do you want to do
the order? You want to do capital or you want to do the report? >> Yeah. Well, we have capital written down first. So, why don't we do capital? >> All right. So, you voted on capital uh the last time we went through them. I'll go through them again and I've got some
suggestion for a couple changes as as uh we go forward. uh in speaking with the mayor's office in city hall, capital is going to be very lean this year uh if not non-existent. Um so I I think I may um give a suggestion to you folks uh as
part of the recommendation moving forward. So we'll get right into it. The first one is is the automatic AEDs requesting time for agency. Um the AEDs are end of life. They're not compatible with our ambulance providers. Uh they're
not compatible with the hospital, which means that the pads that we use, we have to take off and put other pads on. This would get us more in line with that. Uh we asked for 20 units. Uh I did talk to uh Chief Dodge. Um because this is a
joint ask. It's not just the fire department. Um it is our number one priority. Uh our number one priority. um for replacement along with the turnout gear. Uh however, uh I would recommend that we
drop the number in half, five per each agency, and then we'll go at it again next fiscal year and do five per for each agency at that. >> So the 61,000 would be cut in half is what you're saying. >> That is correct. >> Okay. Is there a risk that when it gets
to actual budget process it'll be cut more or do we want to ask for more? >> That's a great question and I'm glad you asked that and I'm smiling because everything gets cut the whole step of the way that we go. So whatever we put forward here, it goes to city hall that gets cut there and then has the
potential to go to city council and get even cut. I have always operated to not ask for um more than we than we um like this is the bottom line of what we could scale back to. Um and and I'm
comfortable asking for that. So I would not want to ask for more and have it get cut along in the process. That's just how I've operated since I've been a chief. >> How many units do we currently have for each department? >> Uh I won't speak for the police department. they'll answer it, but we
have them on ju we have them on every piece of equipment. Um, and and most of the cars. So, we're looking at four engines, a ladder, uh, and four cars. So, >> so you have close to 10 yourself. >> Yeah.
>> Chief, do you know how many you have? >> Four. >> Four. Okay. >> Do we send them out? They sign them out as they go on. I wouldn't myself if we were going to vote I wouldn't agree to cut the 20. That's my opinion but we can talk about
that. >> Not 20. Cut it into half the 10. >> Yeah. In my opinion I wouldn't want to cut it in half but >> I have a >> question. >> Yes. Um, when we met last month, there was a um a thought that maybe AMR, our
AMR friends could help us with pricing and see if that would be >> They absolutely have agreed to. They've talked to me after the meeting last month and and we have talked about that and we could probably save money on that. I don't want to lessen what the ask is for that because we're not going
to ask for 10 and buy 12 if we have leftover money. If we ask for 10 and it doesn't it doesn't come to the amount that we ask for, the money goes back to the city. So, we will do everything in our power to keep the cost uh as low as
possible. And if that includes working with AMR, we'll do that. So, we'll budget the high-end and then if we're able to save, which is what we do all the time. I did it with a ladder truck at a tune of $100,000. We don't spend the money. It gets turned back. It
doesn't get used. it's very difficult to uh go back and ask for additional funds if you come up short. So, we do the best uh case scenario for us um and then we scale back once we do the order, which is not uncommon. We often save money off
of the original task. >> Anybody else? I would ask that that be left as a recommendation as a number one pri as as a top priority. >> This is your number one. >> Uh it's the so we have to list our
priorities by one being the highest, five being the lowest. >> It won't be the only number one >> if that makes sense. >> Okay. The second one in uh is the tune of uh $76,000 for personal protective
equipment. This is a complete ensemble for a firefighter um from head to toe and everything that's um required with uh outfitting a firefighter. Um the tune of that is 76,000 and includes all the
equipment including a portable radio. Um we uh track our turnout gear. Every member of the department gets issued two sets of turnout gear. The turnout gear can be no longer than 10 years old before it's retired. So, it's a very expensive and very hard to keep up on
turnout gear, especially when you add people and you have people retire unexpectedly. And so, the plan gets out of whack. We have it built into our capital budget, but it has fallen behind. And I've warned this over the last few years that as that as we do our
best to keep up, but every you know three to five years we need a little in influx of of help from the capital side to keep us on track with that. Um so this is that year to do that. Uh I am uh
I do want to tell you that um we will be actively pursuing a aggressively uh a state firefighting equipment grant that we plan on using uh all the money um from that grant to buy turnout gear.
We're probably going to use it to offset operating costs. So this will still need to go through capital. Um but our operating um our operating uh budget going forward is is um uh challenging.
So >> how many firefighters is this for? >> Five sets. Five firefighters. >> Yep. >> And retirement. I was going to ask about that. When someone retires, does their turnout gear just get like what happens to their gear?
>> That's a great question. uh we reutilize and I'll let the deputy highlight it, but I I just wanted to give an example because it's kind of funny. Um we had some retirements and we repurpose it and the deputy can go. He's he manages it more than I do, but like the last set of
retirements were all 6'2 giants and most of the people that retired were not even close to six foot. And so the gear just it it didn't fit them. So, we didn't have any option but to buy buy gear up. But if we can if we can use it
uh stuff that we have that's in compliance, we do it. I'll let the deputy >> Yeah. So, as the chief sort of spoke about this their timeline for retirement of gear, um in order to sort of get creative with
that timeline, we try to keep uh the first and second sets about five years apart. That way we maximize the use of that gear. Um, when someone does retire, uh, we utilize
a private company that does alterations. Um, and then if necessary, we will have that garment, uh, resized as best we can. Um there is a cost to that but it's minimal
in comparison to a full replacement set of gear. Uh the gear is not owned by the individual. It's owned by the city. So, um, we've, you know, there might be someone that, uh, is similar in size to
the member that may have retired and maybe their second set of gear, um, doesn't fit them as well or may be worn beyond um, anytime that there's tears in the material, it gets sent out to be
repaired. Uh sometimes it reaches a state that it it can no longer be repaired. So we might take some of that gear and sort of fold it in as somebody else's second set, have it altered so that it fits them properly. Um so it's not necessarily just shelved and put
away and and unused. We try to make sure that we're maximizing that that investment that the city has made back out to the floor and make sure that it's it's used as best as we can. We do such a good job managing uh the issuing our
turnout gear that when I first started when you started you go down the basement and you there'd be a whole rack of turnout gear that you all right this one fits me a little bit. We do such a good job with our turnout gear that we don't even have a lot of stock with that. Uh and that has taken years to get
to that point because once it's retired it's retired. The other part of our turnout gear with the new turnout gear is you know turnout gear of the past. You got a coat that fit you. You got a pair of pants that fit you and you're and you're good to go. The new turnout gears are almost like a I don't want to
call it like an athletic suit, but they're tailored towards the firefighter's specific body. They're custom made for the firefighter. So, the flexibility is built in there, which which cuts back on wear and tear and and you know, um if
your pants the turnout pants aren't aren't a good size, it could cause you to trip. There's safety issues with it. So, every set set of turnout gear that's issued to the firefighters have to be customtailored to the body of that firefighter. Um, we do try to get it close uh especially for the second set,
but their primary set really needs to be tailor made for that firefighter. >> Thank you. I was looking at like this is about 15k per set and I was like it's really hard to find prices of this stuff online but it seemed like it was averaging around 10k but it sounds like
we're buying the Cadillac of turnout gear for like all of the custom fitting or >> No, we're not. So the cost the reason why the cost for capital is if you look in there there's five radios. The five radios are are really what the expensive part. The turnout gear, I think, for a
pair of a coat and a pair of pants is five grand. >> Five. So, roughly five grand. This is if somebody walks in the door, this is what they need to be able to be outfitted for a re uh for a firefighter. The radios, uh, our radios, uh, everybody has a
radio. When somebody leaves, we repurpose the radio, but I don't have any backup. and we lose probably a radio or two a year either destroyed at a fire or damaged or or has a failure. So, it's just building that up as well. on the
cost of the gear itself. Uh just to note uh for you as a committee, we did uh we had an internal committee that looked at all of the um last year the ending of a year before
there was a a law passed in Massachusetts that mandates um the removal of PAS from all turnout gear garments. it's actually encompassing all uh fire equipment. Um,
so preemptively we formed a committee to look at all of the major manufacturers uh that make turnout gear garments uh to sort of really take a good deep look at what fabrics they're shopping
for turnout gear is like shopping for a suit like you can pick the outer shell, inner thermal barrier, moisture protection, what type of suspenders. Um so the chief set a really good guideline as to keeping it within a a
certain financial parameter. Um we are sort of in the in the broad scope of gear cost we're sort of in the middle maybe a little bit higher than that. um top end is more around that $78 to
$9,000 set of turnout gear, which uh I'll be honest is sort of excessive. Uh so for a total garment package, ours is is pretty competitively priced right around that $5,000 mark. Uh most of the stuff that
we order is on state bid uh or some uh other competitive government contract. So, and and again to highlight again what the deputy said on that um to broaden that like a coat is not just simple a coat. The cut of the coat of
the firefighter is how heat transfer from the fire into the firefighter's body. And so there's different cuts within the coat that you know may cost a little bit more but protects the fire overall protection of the firefighter is enhanced because of simple things like
the cut in material. So we we're pretty much in the middle of the line, but we provide, you know, state-of-the-art turnout gear that protects our firefighters. >> The firefighter can't move because there's no gusset. You have to have something so that they can actually turn or whatever they have to do.
>> Correct. >> And so that it's totally important to have uh the correct pit. >> Thanks. >> Yeah. So the next one is is is quite uh as simple as rescue equipment. It's a replacement of a of a hydraulic um set
of jaws that I think uh deputy drivers made a fundraiser for back in like the early or mid 90s. Um we do have newer jaws, but this would replace an older set. Um this is a priority too, although it's needed, the equipment is needed
within the fire department. Obviously, we have to look very closely at at budgeting and um you know, constraints within the budget. So it is a priority too and it's um I don't believe that this will make it through the capital process. >> So it's one set of jaws of life. That's
what this is. >> Yeah. >> Right. Thank you. >> And they're battery powered jaws. They're not the old hydraulic sets. So they're it's pretty impressive what the equipment has. We do have a primary set on one of the engines. This would be a a
backup if that set was tied up. >> Are the ones we have already electric? >> Yes. >> Okay. So we have like all of the batteries and charging capability. So >> yep. What we don't have is a lot of redundancy. So if that set gets broken
or whatever on a call and we're down to a primary, you know, one set. So um the last one is uh uh is the replacement of a UTV vehicle. That is a K Cabota. If
you look at the last page, it shows you a picture of um our current machine on the left versus the other machine uh that we're asking for. Uh our machine is a different animal than the police department has. Uh the police department
um uh transports personnel uh easier than ours. Ours transports a pump, a tank, and a patient on a lawnmower. Um it is a high priority for me. However, uh based off of the financial
circumstances of the community, it is listed as uh I have it listed as a priority one, but uh when when I speak to capital, it will go down. >> It's a pretty vital piece of equipment. Um and uh it's it's very much needed and
again, it's a different animal than than the police department one. Uh so the thought is that we could share one between the two agencies. The reality is is that this machine is a completely different machine than than what we have in the city. Um, this was originally uh
a a victim was uh needed to be rescued on Pointy Tower back 20 years ago or whenever we got this uh and we had to wait 30 minutes to get a piece of equipment there and then the delay to get them off the mountain. Uh, a
resident in town uh was not happy with that. He was actually on public safety at the time and within a week he paid for a new machine. So that's how we got it. But >> and since then it's a pretty standard piece of equipment in most every
department. >> Do you have any else before we discuss this in capital? You you said you wanted to make recommendation on you said you wanted to make a recommendation on an order or priority or gave us your priorities. >> I gave you the two priorities the number
one priorities and I recommended um you know um reducing the AEDs just because I think that's what's going to happen. >> I'm not saying we don't need it like I need to be clear. I'm not saying we
don't need it but I would guess TV. How often is it used at the fairgrounds versus outside in the community? >> Uh that's wonderful question. So, uh planned events, it's used all the time
and it rolls all the time. Uh whether you're at Wormtown, at Green River Fest, the fair or other events, uh it's very difficult to get vehicles in between, you know, um the crowd. And so, uh, every event, every event we have
medicals, um, and it's used, you know, it not only does that, but transports, uh, first responders to other calls. Um, you know, we get a lot of lockouts at the fair where we actually have to go and help people get in the car. So, it just it just rolls the whole time.
Outside of that, uh pretty much um any significant fire out in the woods, any rescue out in the woods, uh it it responds to neighboring towns. Um we uh we had a a plane crash where it was used on that and we called an additional
three or four on top of that just because that's how you got the responders up and down the mountain. So even though there's other ones around us, you need to have your own. >> I was looking at the budget for the Franklin County Agricultural Society.
They have a million dollars in revenue every year. Is this something that maybe since it's used so much there, we could talk to them about pitching in to reduce the cost of UTV to us? >> Uh, I would have to look at that. Yeah,
I'll look into that >> for sure. >> Okay. Okay. So, what we're going to do is we're going to take them up one by one and we're going to vote on them and and and then we we'll just use them and list how the chief has them listed on
this. >> I ask one question. >> Yep. >> My question that I have is if you would have to choose between Jaws of Life and the ATV, which one would you pick? >> Uh, that's a tough one. The UTV is a in
my opinion um and although it's not I think shared uh in my opinion is probably the uh biggest need right now for for equipment. Now I say that commissioner knowing full well that the community has supported a new engine, new ambulance, a new ladder and like I
know that like keep going back to the well. Uh I I know it's not always favorable. Uh I have to ask for what I feel is appropriate for the town. my gut is is that it won't matter with either two because I don't think they're going to go past the capital process.
So, just one more comment for the the chair. Um we'll be voting for a positive recommendation. So, it's majority it becomes positive. So, you can vote no. Um but if you're the only one or there's only two and the rest
vote yes, then it becomes a positive recommendation which the chair will will document. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That piece of machinery needs to be replaced, but you can wait a year. >> Thank you. >> I've been asking for it for four years.
>> Any other questions before we move forward? >> Oh, does it really make sense to go individually? >> I I think it does. Yes. me personally. >> Yeah, I think that's why we did a reconsideration of it so we could So,
we'll start with the uh purchase of the AEDs. >> Individual votes. >> Yales. Y. >> Sure, that'd be great. All right. So, we're starting with the AEDs. The chief wants to reduce it from 20 to 10. Is
there any comments on that first? >> Should be reduced. Any other >> you feel the same way? Okay. >> I feel the same way, too. >> Okay. Anybody? Okay. All right. So, >> yeah. Doesn't matter. Okay. >> All right. So, we're gonna do a vote on
the um the 80s. >> Yeah. >> Um Commissioner Barard, >> yes. >> You keep you keeping track? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Jarvis, >> yes. >> Moscato, yes. Raph, >> yes. >> Burge, >> yes. >> Dixon,
>> yes. Okay. Positive recommendation. >> Okay. Jouro gear. Five sets. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Barber. >> Yes. >> Jarvis, >> yes. >> Moscato, yes. >> Raph, >> yes. >> Burge,
>> yes. >> Dixon, >> yes. >> Positive recommendations in there. >> Okay. I can I interrupt? Are you saying that it's what priority they are? Yes, this is the priority.
>> Thank you. >> Um, replacement of Jaws of Life, >> which is the priority. >> Um, Commissioner Barger, >> no. >> Travis, >> yes. >> Moscarutolo,
yes. Raph, >> yes. >> Dixon, >> no. You were a Yes. Right. Did I hear you? >> Okay. >> Yep. The UTV. >> Yep.
>> Commissioner Barger, >> yes. >> Jarvis, >> yes. >> Moscow, no. >> Giraffe, >> yes. >> Perge, >> no. >> Dixon, >> yes. 42
positive. All right, that picture is the last one. >> Okay, we're moving on. >> I will say when I showed up at a fire one time, I had a chief's jacket, a captain's helmet, and my captain's
pants. And somebody made the comment, "What are you?" And I said, "I don't know." >> So, >> God, I'm trying, sir. So, we're going to move on to the monthly call volume.
>> Uh, I don't have a a monthly call volume. I do have the annual call volume for 2025. Calls were slightly down a little bit at 3,474. I'll remind uh the public safety commissioners uh that when I first
started that number was under a thousand. Um, so we uh we're we're we're pretty busy. The breakdown is listed as f uh over on the lefth hand column. One item we want to point out is you'll see that the fire department responded 41
times to mutual aid fires outside the community. That is always a big number when first looked at, but I'll remind everybody that if you look further, we had 14 structure fires. Um these were multiple alarm fires with within our
community. A typical uh first level fire pulls in four mutual aid companies and if we go to a second alarm it pulls in another seven. So we still consistently receive way more mutual aid than we give out.
>> You had 13 brush fire. I'm sure you had >> at least two of those were second brush. >> Yeah. So I'm sure you had mutual aids too. So >> correct. We we by far receive more mutual aid than we give out even though that number looks really big.
This total number doesn't include AMR, right? Calls the calls they're doing. >> No, it includes >> it's only calls. Sorry, it was only call any any call over here is a call that had a Greenfield Fire Department apparatus assigned to. Thanks.
>> And we only track on this call emergency calls. Yes. >> We don't track >> all the non-emergency stuff and calls that we receive for that kind of stuff, which would double that number. This is just emergencies. >> One little question here. >> What is a drone request?
>> Great question. So, uh 10 10 years. No, >> we received a uh grant to implement the drone program for public safety. Uh when we introduced that program, there's clear definitions of what it can and
can't be used for. So, for example, it can be used for a missing person. It can be used for fires. It can be used for X Y and Z. What it can't be used for is surveillance and and infringement on civil rights and things like that or tracking people. Uh it is controlled by
emergency management and is operated by the Greenfield Fire Department. Uh and the Greenfield Police Department is uh a participant with uh with operators and they provide a vehicle for so that the commander can watch the screen. um and
they provide pilots. So, it's been a it's been a together program and it works very well. Uh and it has been very very successful on um on a multitude of uh different emergencies. >> Josh used it there to locate plane, right?
>> Yeah. So, what we were able to do is we took the flight path. We couldn't find the plane that crashed in the woods. We put the flight path of of the plane in the drone coordinates and within less than five minutes, we found the plane. Um, we have found missing people with
it. We have uh uh we responded to assist with a mutual aid brush fire. They had about uh about 20 acres going. Uh they felt that they had it contained. Uh we were flying it and found that they had a swap over of three acres. Uh if we
weren't they didn't have that capability, that fire could have grown um large. We had another community that had a pretty significant fire, but they couldn't find it. Was in the middle of the woods. We found it within 10 minutes of the drum launch. So, it's a very
vital piece of equipment. Um, but that's what that's for. It was activated uh the team was activated a week ago for a missing three-year-old. Um, the three-year-old was found, not by the drone, but that's the type of calls it goes on. >> Chief, does it have infrared capability?
>> It does. It has uh >> you can tell hotspots and other things. >> Yeah, it it uh it it has not only that, but it has uh lidar. Is that the right name? Lidar. Uh I don't know what LAR does, but it's pretty fancy. Uh it tells you all the all the hotspots. It gives
you the topography. Uh one of the other successes uh that we had uh we implemented a search light on it now. So when we we do rescues um on side of mountains in the dark, we can light it up like it's daytime, provide safety for
our our our responders and uh um helps locate the victim. >> What's the time in the air capable? >> What's the what? >> What's the time in the air capable? >> Uh multiple batteries. We can probably continuous fly unimpeded for an hour or two.
So, the the airframe that we're using right now, um on a good day, like not freezing cold out, uh you can probably get around 50 minutes of air time on a set of batteries if they're fully charged.
>> Cooler weather does affect them, but they do have uh this model drone does have a heating element in the batteries. >> Uh so, they will selfcondition. Uh and then we have a bank charger with enough batteries to pretty much have
continuous flight. >> This uh this drone has the capability of flying in high winds, has the capability of flying in um freezing temperatures. Uh it's pretty versatile and it it and it's we have countless stories of
successes with it. Uh in 2005, you can see our inspections division, which is one firefighter, uh did 728 inspections, uh from everything from healthcare to food trucks to new construction and other things that uh
are required by fire code. Um some notable calls, group three uh uh responded to a CPR in progress call. Our dispatch did a great job uh getting resources. Uh I believe it was Ian Bead um by AMR who gave instructions uh and
uh our team was able to respond uh perform uh high quality CPR get patient to the hospital patients at home with his family. Uh pretty remarkable uh story. So there was uh these uh the gentlemen uh on group three uh were
given citations for uh their efforts in in uh that call. Couldn't be prouder of what they were able to accomplish. So last weekend, Saturday night, uh Berneston Road had a twocar MVC. Again, our dispatch outstanding getting the
resources, giving the information, coordinating everything that needed to go along with it. The PD uh um you know, uh with traffic control, assisting with patient care, uh did a great job. Our crew found a twocar um um accident that
was a head-on on Verniston Road. um four patients, three of them significant um injured severely. Uh one patient entrapped in the car entrapment meaning that the the they were the patient was unable to self-extricate. We had to use
the jaws of life. Uh if you look in the picture, you can see we actually took the whole side of the car off to remove that party who was critically injured. Um, we had assistance from Northfield Ambulance, Tarnis Falls Ambulance, South County Ambulance, uh, and our ambulance
transported, uh, one of the patients. Uh, all three of them probably would have been at least two of them would have been flown out if the helicopters were flying. That's how severe that they were they were injured. Uh, good job by everybody uh, to mitigate that incident
very quickly. Uh we did initiate um um um a recall on that. Uh but we like everybody else have been devastated with uh the flu, COVID and the and the
neurovirus. So we unfortunately didn't have uh offduty help on that. And so the uh two members on the ambulance and the three members on the engine um worked incredibly hard until the the deputy,
myself and um the day captain showed up to assist. There was a lot going on and they had their hands full and they did a great job. So last one is we had the lieutenant promotion uh Lieutenant uh Streer who you met at one of your meetings uh went
through the promotion process and now is a permanent lieutenant and he's doing great. So uh and I've already mentioned the fire equipment safety. So that's all I have. Right. >> I do have sorry I have one more document. I just want to share with you
uh the marching orders uh for budget next year. Um we've received our our instructions for budgets and basically uh the initial start to the budget is um no new positions uh salaries to reflect
only the cost of living increases by the contracts that the agencies have. Um and uh expense budget is um should be level funded. So expenses go up for that for
all of us on that. >> I can give you this one. I only have one which you can hold it for now and get our phone call. I can't discuss that tonight. It's not on the agenda. But you want to just with copies. So distribute it to all. >> It was just to give you our instructions. >> Don't want to have a discussion on it
because it's not >> right. >> All right. Thank you. Thank you. And now we're moving on to dispatch. I didn't do the agenda. I can see the chief back there and his chair.
>> Thank you. just introduce yourselves for the Zoom calls, please. >> I am Cindy Hunter. I'm the dispatch supervisor for Greenville Police and Fire Dispatch. >> I'm Alexandra Fletcher. Uh I am the new dispatch trainee starting on Monday. >> Yes.
>> Congratulations. Welcome. >> I apologize for your notes. She's not at the top. She was number four. So, but we can do that now. >> Uh, so Alexandra is, like she said, is starting on Monday. Um, this was a long process. Uh, again, I would like to thank Commissioner Dixon for being
involved in the in this process and, uh, for to Alexandra for sticking it out through this process. Um, we are very excited. I would give you a chance to just give him a little back. You want to say? >> Um, yeah, I'm very excited about this
opportunity. Um, I think I interviewed around Christmas time. >> Yeah. For a while. >> Yeah. Um, I've lived in Greenfield for about three and a half years. I'm from Southern California originally. Came out to Boston to go to school. Fell in love
with having seasons and uh especially in Western Mass, no traffic. So, that's nice. Um, I trained as a graphic designer. uh sort of had a having a career shift moment, right? I have my last shift on Friday. I've been working
at uh Long River Produce Market. Uh that's kind of helped me feel more connected with the community and realized I wanted to do something that I felt like I was having a positive impact the place that I live. So, yeah, very excited about this. >> Well, what we welcome you and best of
luck. >> Thank you very much. Uh, I would just like to add in regards to Alexandra that she um both candidates that we offered the position to did some observation time in dispatch and the dispatchers had nothing but good things to say about her. Very inquisitive, asked a lot of questions um and had a great vibe. So,
we appreciate that. Uh, so top of the list. Um, so hours in December covered by PDMS. Uh, we had 308 hours which equates to 38 and a half ships. Uh, I wanted to follow up on actually Commissioner Brad, you had a question
last month regarding uh why the number uh for the year total didn't seem like it was that much for the uh for the prediums. Uh, for last year it was 1,220 and a half hours total. Um, what I had not kept in mind was that so up until
the end of June of last year, we were working under an old dispatch contract. Per the old dispatch contract, um I was only allowed to offer pdiums two shifts a month. That was total for all of our pdiums. Uh July 1st with their new contract, um pdiums are actually given
opportunity for more shifts. They have right of first refusal for any vacation time that's taken, any comp time that's asked for off, um and any long-term vacancies. Uh so that is why that number was a little smaller. Uh I suspect
that's going to be much larger this year. Um and also last year we had one pdium that was out on maternity leave as well. So we didn't have as many as we do have now. So overtime hours for the month for the regular or for the full-time dispatchers
196 hours which equates to 24 and a half shifts. Um we have Alexandra starting with us on Monday. Um we're still waiting for the background check to be finished on our second candidate. Hopefully that will be done the end of the week. I am in contact with the
detective who is completing that. uh Patrick Dot uh who I believe you guys have met before. Uh he we actually lost him in September. He was a full-time dispatcher with us. Uh he decided to leave uh us and um his where he went did
not work out unfortunately for him. And so he contacted me in December and asked if he could come back full-time. And we did have a third position that we needed to fill. And so we accepted Patrick back. he left us on very good terms and he's a very good dispatcher. Um, so we
are happy to say that Patrick is back with us. So he has filled one of our open positions. Uh, so that will definitely help with overtime hours and forces and that sort of thing. So we're very happy to have Patrick back. Um, last meeting I gave you a print out
of some trainings that were coming up for a couple of the dispatchers. Um, dispatcher Chelsea Reynolds and Ivon Mumbo both attended the trainings from Progressive Law Enforcement Consultants. Uh the feedback from them was very positive. Uh I also actually received a email from the trainer uh Jess is her
name with that company and she expressed that she was extremely happy to have them in class. They were very inquisitive. Um gave a lot of feedback, asked a lot of questions. So she enjoyed having them. Um part of your packet is two printouts. Uh there's a couple of trainings that a couple of my
dispatchers have uh asked to attend. One is APCO uh CTO which is communications training officer. So essentially it teaches them how to be a trainer of dispatchers. Uh the second is fire communications training. Uh so dispatcher Mumblow and foot will be uh
taking an online class or version of both of those classes coming up starting in March. I think it's especially or it's good to note I think that a lot of our training sometimes centers around the police department and law enforcement type training. Uh not very often do fire type
trainings become available. Um so uh dispatcher foot is extremely excited to take the fire communications training and then bring that training back to our new people and our our veterans as well. So uh just as a followup um I know that you
guys I think were as we all were introduced to the new AMR portal program that the fire chief had facilitated putting in place. Um, I would just like to tell AMR and the fire chief as well. Uh, every dispatcher now has a login for that program and I've gotten nothing but
positive feedback uh in regards to that program. Um, it gets it gives us a lot of insight into what they're doing on their end and we can see see in real time what's happening. So, uh, everybody's very excited about that program. Um, de uh just a couple of I just wanted
to mention a couple of anniversaries. I thought it would be nice to highlight this monthly. So, uh, in December, a dispatcher MI foot completed four years on December 27th. So, we're we're proud of her for sticking it out. Um, she is a she comes from a mostly a medical
background, but she is now also a certified communications training officer. Um, she's participated in a lot of training for us and we definitely appreciate that. In January this month, uh, Trevor Brunette completed one year on January 13th. Uh, he continues with us not in a
full-time capacity, but as a pdeium. uh he's pursuing a college education, so we we support that and we give him all of our our support. >> Please congratulate them and thank them for >> I absolutely will do that. >> There's a couple things that I wanted a
couple of calls I wanted to highlight. One that the fire chief uh spoke about. Uh one was the uh the first one was the Berneston Road accident. Um the dispatchers that were on duty for that call were dispatchers Mumbo and Rebecca Jernigan. Um again was uh reported as an
MV motor vehicle crash with injuries. They then became aware that someone was trapped. Uh that there was multiple patients with injuries. As I'm sure you can understand how busy that makes dispatch, um they uh immediately requested AMR. Unfortunately, AMR is not
available. Uh they got in contact with Shelurn Control, our mutual aid partner, who also are fantastic. Uh EMS was brought in from several different towns. Uh they had to put out a box alarm as the chief mentioned to get recall back for firefighters. Uh also trying to facilitate lifelight. Uh
they requested mass highway to respond. Uh there were multiple uh toes requested for the vehicles and keeping in mind that they were also processing other calls for service at the same time. So uh I am also like to say that they were assisted by dispatchers Mallerie Brunette and Chelsea Reynolds. Uh they
were this happened right around shift change or close to shift change. And so, uh, the two night shift dispatchers kind of came in about 3/4 of the way through the call and so they were support on the other end. >> Great. So, pass thanks to them because Ivon Mumble is on
board. >> Good work. >> Just just being just being doing the police end of I mean the fire end of it. we did in dispatch and it's it's monotonous enough and then you have all the other calls coming in for police and other
>> EMS throughout the whole city. So I can understand that they were probably felt like one iron paper hangers for a while. >> It's it's unfortunate that not everything stops when that one >> Yeah, nothing stops. Everything else keeps moving. So pass along our thanks for that. >> I I definitely will. Thank you so much. Uh the other call I wanted to highlight
was actually something that occurred on January 24th. It was about four o'clock in the afternoon. Uh dispatcher again, Avon Mumbo and Rebecca Jernigan were both working for this as well. Um they took a call from a party who was reporting a possible kidnapping. Um he had some videos and some pictures that
he had concerns about. He thought that the person was uh in Greenfield, but he didn't know, he didn't have an exact location or a specific location. Uh they obtained as much information as they could from the reporting party. Uh a GPD officer was assigned to the call, of course. Um they certainly were aware of
the seriousness of this call. There was some discussion in the beginning on whether or not this was a hoax. Uh it actually turns out it was not a hoax. Um they gathered as much information from him as they could. They gathered cell phone information. They ended up being in contact with multiple cell phone
companies to ping cell phones. Uh the person uh was actually located in uh Springfield, Vermont. So it was kind of a a collaboration of our department officers, Springfield, Vermont or uh Springfield, Vermont PD, uh Vermont State Police. Um they ended up with the
pings, they ended up locating the victim. Um and uh actually there was a subsequent arrest of six people involved in this call. Um and I I honestly think from the information that I have that this person is is is
very lucky that our dispatchers were as um on the ball as they were. And I'm I'm very proud of both of them for the work that they put into that. It took about four and a half hours total from the time that that started. So it was around uh 9:30 8:30 or 9:30 by the time this
all sort of played out. So >> yeah, thank them. >> I will definitely pass for sure. Um and I realized the one piece of information that I left out was the call volume for December. Um so I actually did get in contact with one of the dispatchers and
had them check for them. Uh so IMC calls for service that were entered for December was uh 4,391 calls. We were pretty busy. >> You have the 911s? >> I do not have the 91. I can absolutely
send those to you. >> Well, we thank you for everything you do for us. >> Any questions or >> congratulations. >> Anybody have any questions, comments? >> Great job. >> Thank you guys so much. >> Thank you then. See you.
Police department. Okay. Do you want to do the stuff first? >> It's like borderline. Yeah, but you you you know you turn it a certain way. >> You need your rosette. >> You want to do the updates and the new assignments. Now, >> can we introduce first?
>> Yes. Have everybody come do that first so they can go bring things around. >> Introductions. Cool. It's your world. >> They all come up. >> Don't be shy. Come on everybody.
Welcome everybody. Just introduce yourselves for the for the zoom folks. >> Lieutenant Ral Kash Greenfield PD >> and this is new hire. I'll let him introduce himself. He is very capable. >> My name is Hunter Dross. I'm the new field traininee for the Greenville
Police Department. >> Welcome. >> We've met. >> I think I've met almost everyone. uh Sergeant Lgoy and um these three are being presented with some field training uh certificates
tonight in the official patch recognition. So I'll let them introduce themselves. Officer Tyler Granger, >> Officer Nicholas Lamo, Officer Bern, good to see you all. So the point of this whole sort of
ceremony is with the Greenfield Police Department, we have always progressively tried to grow, reestablish, and improve our field training program. Uh reserve officer Dross, our recruit officer Dross
is here as one of our current four new hires. One is graduating the academy tomorrow. Officer uh Scoville is graduating the academy tomorrow out of Marlboro, their first academy class there. Um and then you all met officer
Su month or two ago now um when he came in to introduce himself and uh Su along with officer dross are going to be going to the Holio Academy starting in March. So that is a five-monthlong academy and
we also have a lateral transfer um officer Master Tataro is coming from Vermont and he or sorry New Hampshire and he has I think it is five and a half years as uh FTO sergeant firearms
instructor up in uh New Hampshire right now. And before that he worked four years here in Massachusetts at a couple of different universities. So he's returning to Massachusetts and he'll be starting in a couple of weeks in midFebruary for our FTO program. Um so
we will have Scoville just completing that academy. Uh officer draws in school going to the academy and then master Jaro is a lateral that we don't have to send anywhere. So hopefully these um at least we'll have two full-time ready to go. So we'll patrol maybe in a couple
months, maybe three months or so once they get their boots on the ground. And then uh once dross and su graduate in beginning of August then they will spend more time with these other three gentlemen that we are introducing to you as our newest certified field training
officers for the department. Uh we are working on making sure that all of our FTO's are certified. Sergeant Lavoy uh attended a class so that he is our in-house instructor for that program. So, we're able to sort of train our
trainers inhouse, which is very convenient. And um so I will let him kind of discuss that sort of program that we're going through. >> Um before I talk about the program a little bit, more or less the reason we're here is um we've we've made this
field training more of like a formalized program. So you'll see you'll see Officer Granger's wearing one now. Um, but these patches are what, uh, the field training officers are going to wear. And a little bit of history behind that um is essentially since I came to Greenfield, it's always been my hope
that there would be some distinction, this group of um you know, future leaders and future supervisors that are going to continue to uh embellish this uh this group that kind of has come forward to create um like a you know
like a a a want to be effort that like the people that are here training that are going to wear this patch, they want to be there. It's not that they're asked to or or made to or anything like that. Like we want these folks and and and we we supplement them um based on the
contract to essentially wear this patch and and they're out there proud to do it. Um the goal for this is in the past I've gone to different calls and say we have four people on the call and it seems like there's a lot of people there, right? So, and I've had um people
that were that we talked to say why is there four officers here? We never really get to show that distinction. Everybody, whether they think so or not, recognizes the police patch. And you know, sometimes a supervisor patch. Well, when an officer is wearing this patch and you say, "Well, we're we're
we're currently training a new officer like Officer Drops here. We're currently training a new officer." When you when you tell them that you're a field training officer and then you have a patch that validates that, it it creates at least a level of comfort that's like, okay, that's a good reason they're
training someone new, but they're also there to back them up, just to guide them and have be a helping hand as we go forward. So, as you see me presented to them, when they're given the certificate and the patch, it's kind of their um acceptance into the program. And you
will see them wearing the patch, you know, out in out in public. These three officers are joining two that we already have that have attended a field training course um which is 40 hours I believe it is um for that class
and we have two more slated to attend the class taught by Sergeant Lgoy. We're estimating approximately July 1st time. So that'll add our FTO roster to seven of patrol officers and that does not
include the six full-time sergeants that we have which have all been um field training officers. They have additional training um with their supervisory status. They're able to kind of help out a little bit more especially mentor these new employees coming in.
Between the five certified FTO's that we have now, it adds up to over 70 years of law enforcement experience. Um, and 25 of those years is just through Greenfield Police Department. There's different states. Um, there's different
agencies within the state. We have uh detectives, past corporals, past sergeants, field training officers, um homeless shelter liaison, evidence room control officers, a huge wide array of skills that we have
FTO's now um to help these new officers that are coming in um and get them kind of comfortable and trained up before or after academy training. So we so there will be a field training officer on every shift. >> So currently we have I want to say these
three are dayshift. We have two on eaves and then we have >> in the upcoming class >> and then the upcoming process >> and some more on the other shift depending on how the shift bids fall. >> So the one uncovered shift for a patrol
officer that is an FTO is the midshift currently. Um, and with post academy trained recruits for them to see daylight to them to be able to get out on the street, walk the beat, walk downtown, meet everybody, um, come to
events such as this. Um, we just will keep them in the sunshine and uh, especially as they enter and exit the academy, they'll they'll be around later on this summer for the fairest, festivals, etc. Um and again with the
next class of field training in Julyish time, hopefully we're able to get more interest um with the new officers that have reached a certain period of time working with our department. They're more proficient with our department's policies and procedures. So then they can reach the point where they can teach
the next the next group after these guys. >> Talk about the program a little bit. Um just quickly about the program. So, um, the FTO instructor, it's a train the trainer, um, certification. Um, I did
that a couple of years ago, uh, just after I came to Greenfield. I've always been involved and passionate about field training. Um, and even more so now as I have transitioned roles. Um, the program that we built is essentially it's MPTC
based. So MPTC provided me with their um like their certified program that we have to teach to that minimum standard. Um so that has like three different slideshows. We teach it over a few days. Um and then I also built additional slideshow programs that's customtailored
to Greenfield and how our policies, procedures, accreditation standards, post standards, all of these things that we have to incorporate in the way that we do business to continue to, you know, keep this cohesive relationship. So, I've been teaching that. This would
have been the first kind of the pilot class that I taught. Um, and then in, you know, late summer be teaching the second one. Um, couple of these guys took the class. I think it went pretty well. Um, I don't know. You guys can say feel like you got something out of it.
>> Yeah, definitely. >> Good answer. >> I hope. >> Um, yeah, I think that's what I got. >> Well, to me, it's about consistency. you know, um I think that's really important. Everybody has different
personalities, but there's some type of procedure that's consistent. And I would hope that these guys that are actually doing the training, it's there there's openness enough that they can come back to you and say, "This isn't working or this is not this is working great, but
this isn't working great because things change all the time and new academy folks different they have different abilities. So, you know, it's important for the you as the trainer, I think, to be open to these guys and their what they're recommending. So, we we just had
an FTO meeting today, actually, uh, before this, and we we do it pretty consistently to make sure that we understand everyone's strengths and weaknesses, and that's the trainers and the trainees. So we understand, you know, there's like this vetting process for us that we we talk to the trainees,
see how they learn, try and develop some rapport with them and and try and use that to our advantage so that they can be successful. as we've discussed during past meetings when I've come and talk with you um alongside the chief and deput chief is we did finally finalize that pre-AC Academy recruit training
program as well as the you know in addition to the already trained academy trained recruit program that was already in existence and we used officer Su who is in pre-academy training right now sort of as a
middle ground and sound voice to help me build this new program that officer Jos is our first one going through um that newly built program to see what would make sense to somebody with no law enforcement background what would make sense what they want to see additionally
and during that earlier FTO meeting um I encourage critiques everything as you said it's fluid everything is changing there's always new case law new practices taught in themies that we aren't always aware of their curriculum that recruits that are coming out of the
academy can help us and we can make those tweaks to this ever evolving hopefully ever improving program. Um so that is all built and officer dross is currently experiencing that that joy and wonder right now.
Do you want to talk about yourself, your background, anything like that with them? >> Sure. >> So previously I came from um a little over four and a half years of banking. So, the police world and learning and processing all the new information is
something just completely new to me and something different. And it's been quite the experience so far, just trying to soak everything up like a sponge and especially going from a role as a bank teller with using those customer service
skills. some of those skills are being translated over, but also I'm learning um new ways and new communication skills and procedures on um how to do the role as a police officer as I go on calls, read policies. So, it's um something I'm
very excited about and just um taking some time to make adjustments and um utilize my new information. I'm learning. It's been great. Yep. That's cool. All right. Um, sure.
>> We'll just call them up one by one. Quick, uh, handshake presentation and that's going to be it. It's going to be official. >> So, officially being sort of sworn in as the newest trained FTOS for Greenfield. Niclam.
Here you go. Absolutely. Brent Griffin. and officer Granger. >> Got it. I got it third time. I finally got it down. >> Thank you guys. >> Thank you guys. >> Any questions or anything for these gentlemen before we can release them for the night?
Well, good luck and I think we got a release. >> I think we had it right. >> Hanging around for long enough. Very important. Thank you so much. >> Y >> the other two ones can come up. >> Okay. Y
>> off the hook. Yeah. No off the hook yet. So >> deescalation, >> Chief Todd Dodge, Greenfield PD, Deputy Chief, Greenfield PD. >> She's still here.
>> So just a little background. I appreciate all them officers for showing up. Um, the lieutenant and the sergeant have put a lot of work into this. There was a method to that madness. We hear every day about the systemic issues in policing. um Greenfield is really trying
to break that. So again, I start with the word deescalation. Um unlike what you may be seeing here and there, that's not how we live. So um we've had a number of um special response team deployments this year at the conclusion
of them and they could have gone really ugly. Uh the vice chair now was at them and our claim to fame was no injuries, none. and and there was firearms present and reported present. Um so Greenfield is doing it different and as a result of
that that's what the instructions are to our uh she serves as the FTO commander as in the lieutenant seat. Um Sergeant Lgoy is the FTO supervisor and then you have your training officer. So the message is let's train them correctly. All right.
Greenfield is different. They're going to be different. Um people are safe and we're going to do good police here. So, we're not just saying it, we're doing it. So, with that being said, when I was approached about certain things with a field training program, the only agreement I made was I'll agree to it as
long as we're completely redoing it. I mean, from bottom up, completely redoing this program. And that's going to come with additional things like the insignas. You're going to be recognized. There's going to be a more formal process of making field training officers. Um, they're not getting any
more money, so don't worry about that. Um, but they're being acknowledged for what we're asking them to do, and that is make good future police officers, right? And with a different sort of mentality, so I think we're modern. I think we're progressive, and I think
we're doing the right thing. So, uh, we do always look to everybody to let us know if we're not. So, we're very open-minded to that. If you don't like it, let us know. Um, but deescalation is the word. Um, whether we like it or not, it's the word. That's post. We live by
post. Um, and we should be living that way. And like I said, I'm proud of the fact that we've had some pretty hairy calls. Uh, in the recent past, we've gotten through with no injuries on on either side. So, that's important to us. We hope to continue to do that. I I do
want to um thank you and the deputy um because I know in the past there's been some challenges with training and you've expressed both of you have expressed that it just isn't working and I applaud you for wiping this lane clean and
starting over. So I want to thank the both of you. >> It's been it really has been totally revamped. Actually uh lieutenant we talked about that at length too. We, as you know, we have a different process though, slightly different. Um, there could be, you could re resort back to the traditional field training program,
which means they've gone to an academy or and then we're getting them acclimated to Greenfield. But, um, with the way things work right now, we have candidates who haven't yet gone to the academy, meaning they can't be postcertified yet, so they can't be police officers. So, we have developed sort of on the fly a pre-academy
training process. And hopefully what that's going to do is save us time after completion of the academy before we actually has a use usable police officer. All right. So we're we're frontloading a whole heck of a lot of training into them in in hopes that when they come out of the academy, we got a
quick turnaround and we have a productive assist in the field. So um so far so good. We talked about it. We're very open about it. Is this good? Is this bad? So far so good. We got some good reports. Um we're in in all honesty looks like the first one we hired it was
way too early and it's just what we need to know. Um by the time he goes to an academy he'll have been a full-time police officer about five months. Ross the new one will only have done it for two to me. I think two is probably a little too short to really get an idea
and five is probably a little too long but we won't necessarily have control of that. We don't know when we're going to be on board. So >> I think so far so good. I think it's important for the public to know that this is cutting edge. You're doing stuff that other departments and don't even
it's not even on their radar screen. This pre-boarding somebody and getting to know them before you invest the city's money into their future and then is is really cutting edge and I really applaud this program. This goes
to show the commitment that Greenfield wants at different police departments. It really does and this should be a model for not only Franklin County but other places. So I that needs to be out in the public world so they understand the efforts that are being put into that
because it is cutting edge. >> Yeah. I don't know of any others doing it. Um we've going to the local chief's meetings. It it's they look at it like they didn't even think of it. So not saying we're geniuses here by any means but we have to we have to keep trying something you know. So this was just an
idea that popped into our head. We were hoping it was going to work. Like I said, so far so good. But again, it it's not free. I mean, it comes at an expense, but what it doesn't come at is if we know and if the recruit knows this is just not for them, we cut our losses,
right? And they go on their way safely. Nobody gets hurt. Um, now again with each new pre-academy training, the deputy chief and I have set up a system whereas we meet with them personally and ask now because people only know policing from what they see on TV in
most cases or what they hear from others, right? Until you sit in the seat in a cruiser and actually are in the calls, go to the calls, see the calls, see what a day in the life of a police, you don't really know what it is. Well, now these individuals have gotten an opportunity to get sort of a bird's eye view of what the day in the life of a
police officer is. And we give them an opportunity to say, "Is it for you?" Because it's not for everybody. And so far, these two are very evident. Yes. After seeing what I've seen, after speaking with these officers, after being, you know, on calls next to them, this is absolutely what I want to do.
That's step one. That's support. If it's not, we're not sending you to an academy because that costs a lot of money. It's six months of salary plus training and we don't have it. So, um, so far these two that we have started with, the program has gone really well. The comments I heard today, I mentioned this
to the group in the FTO meeting was to the trainers. I'm proud of them because they all reported very positively about one of our trainees that's been there a while. I said, "Well, the only reason why that trainee is there is because of you. This person came in with no police experience." Well, now they're raving
about his police work. Well, why? Yes, he's receptive. Yes, he's being a sponge. Yes, he's capable. but he had to be provided with that information and in a way that was productive and it's working. So, we're seeing a lot of good results. We're hoping we can I I applaud
the the people that were just in front of you. It's been a work in progress. >> Thank you. >> Do your capital first. >> We can do whatever you want us to do first. >> Get that listed first. So, we'll have to >> So, one of them one of them I have to be a little cryptic about. I can't get into
specifics about it. Um what I can tell you is it's enhancements to our facility, security enhancements here. Um these are not like um by any means like luxuries. They are
we have security related issues in the building. So um what that consists of enhancements of video surveillance and also scan our our credentiing system >> to get through doors and things of that nature. The um the credentiing system
that we have right now is so antiquated only now only the deputy chief can access it to do any sort of research on. >> Um it's it only exists on certain old outdated servers. That's how old and outdated the software is. It's it's one
step up from MS Docs. It's it's not good. I managed it for years. Um we we can keep it going, but again, you can't really get a a report populated very easily in this software and being accredited. We need to do that
every year, right? So, um it's it is really time that this public building, particularly a police department, receive some enhancements to that security, that that credentiing system. It's literally, and I will say this openly, it is literally negligent the
way the building is currently being set. Okay? But again, I can't get into specifics that um that so the credentiing system and the camera system um the credentiing system would include door monitoring, right? So there's no way of knowing whether or not a door is
open. Maybe um this particular one you'd be able to refer to instant we got open or send you an alarm doors in your building, right? We have civilians sitting in that building 24/7. We do not have police officers in that building 24/7. They're they're expected
to be out on patrol. So any breaches in security in our building leaves the civilians at an unsafe situation. It's just not fair. We need to enhance security there. So, um, all told, we're we are we're sort of working with it, um, Fernando,
the director of IT, to make this as inexpensive as possible, although nothing is inexpensive. Um, we have a quote for both upgrades, the cameras and the credentiing system that came in at
about $140,000. and that he's going to basically tie that into an already existing camera system that the city owns. That's where the biggest savings are going to come in. So, there'll be about another 30 to $40,000 worth of stuff Fernando will
have to add to what he has in order to accept this new stuff. Probably servers, things of that nature. I don't know. I'm not it. So, all told, we're looking at about $180,000 to upgrade those two systems. So to put that in perspective,
probably five years ago as I sat as a lieutenant through applying for various grants, I had gotten a quote about five years ago, maybe even longer than that, that it was $125,000 just up upgrade the credentiing system in the building and
another 125 to $140,000 to enhance our camera system. So you're up in the $260,000 range five, six years ago. The way Fernando is setting this up and we're working together on this is saving the city a ton of money as you can see in
modern pricing to to keep it under 200 about $180,000. So that's capital that's not that's not priority one. I'd say that's priority two. >> Does this cover the substation as well? >> The substation already has we're all set down there. >> Okay. >> Yep.
So, >> and again, just to add for the public, um, people have been, uh, concerned whether or not there's facial recognition, camera stuff. It's not. It's So, what we have at the substation is that system that I had just explained to you. So, the system that we use in Greenville, it's called the Ocularis
network. And all of the systems in Greenfield, all the cameras in Greenfield belong to that. That's it's going to be the same. It's nothing. It's not adding anything. It's just adding more cameras. and our cameras will be petitioned off so that not everybody could just view them. So,
>> so working for in that industry and working for a company that's a leader in this industry, video and access, um the this is this is a must in my eyes. I' I've I've been doing
security work for 30 or 40 years and the system is lacking. And circling back to the chief, there's plenty of times when there's no police officer in the police station and it's civilians and their system is lacking security. And for
$180,000, that's not expensive for an upgrade for a card access and a camera system that is needed and hasn't been replaced for years and years and years. So, me coming from the I'm just throwing this out there for the other commissioners, this
is my business that I'm in and I can I'm up there a lot. We have lots of meetings and the system is lacking and the number one protection is the civilians that are sitting in that building working the night shift and working hours when there's nobody else there. So that's
just my opinion about this particular item. >> Any other questions on that? I like I said I can't get into specifics but it's it definitely is just security enhancements for it. This is maybe too specific, but is the evidence room and the weapons rooms currently like secure?
>> Oh yeah. Oh god. Yeah, we have to buy a So we are maintaining at least an accredited level security. Um it's there's just other areas that are not so and and they're concerning. They've been for like you said it's it's probably
been 30 years. So we moved into the building 98. We're closing in on close to 30 years of no change. So, um, we've changed a lot of other things, but that's why I don't even know I can't get to the access debt credential system right now. I don't even know where you would find. >> I'm the only one that has it.
>> Yes. >> So, so I I work in the banking industry right now. I've worked in a lot of other >> teller, too. >> He doesn't tell anything. Banks, banks usually update their access and security system every 3 to five years to stay up
with technology to make sure the employees are safe, the the money is safe, the the the safe deposit boxes, which are their clients, is saved. Us, we're talking about us as people, their systems are upgraded every 3 to 5 years, which is a little excessive, but this is
a system we're talking about that hasn't been upgraded in 30 years at the police department. And as Commissioner Barger said, there are rooms. There's an evidence room. There's a weapons room. There's there's people that have uh been arrested that have to be kept safe in
the building. And it's it's it's well timed in my eyes that these systems get updated. >> There were two items, but >> yes. Yeah. The next one. >> Next one is cruisers. As always, um I was asked by several. It's a it's a
standard question and I understand the standard question is when will you get to a point where you don't need to make that request again and the simple answer is never. So um we have 13 mark cars now and a contingency of unmarked cars. Um last year we asked for three. We got
three. One of the contingencies there as requested by the mayor was to please make one an Eevee, at least one an EV, which we did and we haven't seen it yet, but I have it on good authority. We'll probably see that by like next week. Um, in the meantime, I'm happy to say they
actually poured the pad, ran the conduit. We're the truck's going to get there about the time our chargers installed. This is going to be great. We thought for a minute we were going to have a boat anchor sitting at the police department. Um, but we're actually getting a level three high-capacity charger, flux capacitor, a whole kit.
It's going to charge this truck in five minutes and we're going to be able to roll. So, it's coming in in about a week. Um, so that'll be our third this year. Uh, in order, honestly, in order to keep our fleet functional, we need to replace three a
year in perpetuity. There needs to be three cars a year in perpetuity. Replacing three cars a year will leave us behind eventually. And that, as I see it, is when every five or six years is when we should be asking for capital for cruisers to get caught up because we
also have the unmarks that we have to replace. When I took over as chief, I utilized a different plan because the writing was on the wall, not getting any funding from anybody. So, we had we had at that time a significant amount of more money
in the law enforcement trust fund. We had unmarked vehicles. Our entire unmarked fleet were the little escapes. If people remember, there's a silver one, a couple little black escapes. They were over 14 years old. 14 years old. And these are the detectives and court
officers. These are the people that have to come out in the middle of the night and respond to a scene to assist on really serious calls. Uh, and these were all over 100,000 miles and over 14 years. And there was no replacing them in sight. So I worked with our local
Ford dealership, conjured up as much money as I could out of the le fund. The other push was to reduce our vehicle footprint. So I would trade two, sometimes three towards one used but somewhat fresh car. Examples are we'd
get like a 2023 Ford Explorer with 42,000 miles on it. So I' I'd trade a few vehicles towards that to reduce the size of our fleet, which was a request the mayor had made in exchange for that vehicle. So we did
that half a dozen times. And after a half a dozen times, we effectively replaced our unmarked fleet without asking the town for a penny. And they're decent cars. They're not new cars. They are 21s to 23s with 30 to 60,000 miles on, but they're
a heck of a lot more. They we don't have a lot of problems with those, right? So far. >> Sure. >> Um they've it's worked out pretty good. So with that being said, every year we're asking for at least three marked cars. So the problem was for a period of
time that was shut down. I don't care to get into the politics of why, but we were shut down and we didn't get cars for several years. There was a point when our newest car was almost six years old. So in the last two years the replacing of them started. The first year we got two. The second year we got
three. If we keep on that we keep a really antiquated fleet of cars. But we're going to keep asking. So this year we're asking for another three. So in three years we'll have eight replaced. We'll still have five that are approaching seven, eight or nine years
old. So that's fine as long as we're working our way to where we need to be. My recommendation, because I won't be here forever, but long past me, this agency is going to need three cars a year. It really should be in the operating budget. and then every half a dozen years it should be a capital
request to get the residual cars that we need for the unmarked fleet. Uh it's not going to happen right now. It's not going to happen. So um the only way right now for us to get cars is by asking for them via capital and it's again our just to illustrate where we're
at because of what happened. We have probably now less than 20% of our expense money left for the year. And the overages is entirely because of cruiser maintenance. We are almost $40,000 over and cruiser maintenance.
Motors have had to be replaced. Transmissions have had to be replaced. Every day there's two or three cruisers in a shop somewhere trying to get and we got to keep them running to keep coming to you. So >> cost for the three >> 325 325,000
>> total. That's the total cost. >> That's totally outfitted. >> Yep. >> That's totally out. >> That's 100,000 for the >> radio and and all the other things, computers. the pure nuts. >> Yeah, that's I got camera. >> So, the pro the reason why we're doing
that, there's a method to that madness as well, is because our cars got so old, you can't take much of what is in them and put them in the new models right now. Had we had we rotated a little quicker, we did that for years. >> Sometimes even the cages could move,
>> the body styles didn't change that often. We're so far out right now, we need everything new in these cars >> and we're out of stock on everything else. So, the only way to really do it right now uh is to ask for soup the nuts purchases of cars. We asked for 300 last
year and it we came in at what >> 300,000 $10. >> No, I didn't go over. >> Chris is pretty good with money. >> I didn't go over. >> It was almost to the bucks. >> We were laughing about how close >> it was so close. So, I can only assume I upped it at $25,000 to give a little
wiggle room only because we're moving into another year. I'm sure something's going to be more expensive. A radio now is $20,000. It's crazy. One rating. >> Preaching to the choir with me. I know. Unbelievable. I used to look at our our line item and go for maintenance and go, "Are you kidding me? I can spend this is
going to be spent in two months." >> I mean, the finance director said it. It's not just us. Fire's over on >> Everybody is. >> Vehicle m vehicle maintenance is a big deal right now. >> Everybody. >> Yeah. And I'm with you. Why? You don't want to buy a new vehicle and put old stuff back on a new vehicle. >> We We just can't. We can't.
Yeah, >> it did. It puts everybody in jeopardy. It makes an unsafe situation for everybody. >> And yeah, I remember the years that you used to get three cars a year. >> And all a sudden that went by the wayside and Yeah. >> that hurt.
>> Yeah. Well, yeah. Can't continue because you're going to be using skateboards to go. >> We're making up for last time. That's why we're >> gonna have scooters and skateboards. >> We need nine. >> Yeah. We're going to trickle in at three a year hopefully to try to catch up. Again, at this rate, those old cars by the time we're done are going to be 15
years old. >> The new ones are going to be 15. >> Well, they're going to be six. >> Six. Six. Nine years old. >> Yep. >> Bologonies. >> Yeah. We'll take a vote on them. Yep. We'll vote on them. Um, >> the cars are probably priority one. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. We'll do the car. You want to do the cars >> for us? Let's do the cars first. That That's the priority one. >> We'll do it individual. You ready? >> Um, ready now? Yes or no? >> Okay. Commissioner Barar, >> yes. >> Chavez, >> yeah. >> Moscaratto, yes. Graph,
>> yes. >> Burge, >> yes. >> So mean to me. Dixon, >> yes. >> Surpris to the mayor. No. >> Security enhancements. >> Security enhancements.
>> Commissioner Bar. >> No. >> Javvis. >> Yep. Moscer tollo is a yes. Raph, yes. >> Purge, >> yes. >> Dixon, >> yes. >> The only other thing that I would like to say about cars is I'm not fond of
electric vehicles. I'm not going to go any farther than that. >> Have you driven? Let's move on. >> We got Have you driven one? >> I'm not fond of >> I've never driven one. >> It takes more destruction of the earth to dig up the metals for the batteries than it is
>> to come up with other fuels. I don't like electric. >> The performance is different. The rare earth medal. >> Sorry. >> Anyway, let's move on. Chairman digress. >> Move on. >> Do you update? Let's see. We need to do
officers updates responses. >> Poll. We'll doing our thing. Go through our We have our stat sheets. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> He forgot his capt sheets. He He made copies. Yes, they had been running low on toner though. I see that.
>> See, someone was supposed to bring us some stuff, but he didn't. >> Uh, for December, total calls for service and went down 57 calls to 3,37. Time spent on those calls was 1,49
hours, and that's up 186 hours. um calls handled in the downtown district. Well, they were up 26 calls to 286. Instant reports uh were down 23 to 89 reports total. Accidents went up
uh 62. Arrest was up 12 to 32 and citations citations issued was up 96 to 299. Uh again in that I just cut uh the lieutenant is in charge of that uh traffic safety grant again that that I
had last year. She has the she's in charge of the newest one. So um we're out here the different uh every month is a different flavor for enforcement. So that that's probably a good explanation and um the proactivity of our guides to our hospitals.
>> The citations are they not necessarily uh monetary is >> monetary or some of them >> that's all it's that's criminal uh warnings and civil citations. >> Okay. All but I'm saying not all of them
are monetary. No. No. Okay. So, education, I hate to say it, but >> it's a small percent that are monetary. Very small percent. >> And even smaller that have criminal. >> Yeah. Even >> there a lot of education out there more than >> Yeah. We're just trying to get people to
wear their seat belts and do things like >> Yeah, exactly. You say like one couple of ones is like electronic usage, right? >> You know, so texting, driving, all that kind of stuff. Phone uses. >> I like the theme of the month. Yeah, you pull somebody over because it is about
education. >> You might not be able to read >> through that stuff. >> Yeah. >> Uh, one one thing uh under special reports, uh, Detective Lame, I don't if you know him or not, 11-year vet at our place that, uh, he's a senior detective.
He is transferring to Montigue PD. He'll be uh he's got like a month left and then he's uh he'll be over there >> solving crime >> everybody. >> I think he just wanted to stress us out. >> Yeah, he did. It worked out pretty good.
>> But he'll be a big hit. He's a detective. He's been a detective for a long time. Uh Josh is Josh is actually one that has seen more things than the average human should be exposed to. He was that guy. Did he go there because of the new chief?
>> Probably. >> Okay. >> We won't get into him. No, he cited reasons that you don't need. >> Has he already gone or >> No, he's got about a month left. >> I knew him when he was a kid. >> He's taking some time and then he lives he lives over there.
>> So, he's feeling burned out in his current role and he just feels this is not an easy decision. >> I just need to make a change. >> He's a great guy. >> Yeah. Um, see what else we got. We have Oh, tomorrow's the graduation from Scobble,
which the lieutenant told you about. Su, who will be in the next academy, passed his pre-academy fitness test. >> Excellent. >> So, he's good to go. Ross, uh, only due to the fact that we couldn't get into, um, the medical appointment for him,
he'll be taking his one and only. So, he's got one bite at the apple coming up in February 11. >> February 11. So yeah, >> he's got no safety net. >> Nope. >> So it's the, you know, the storm and it's just the way it is. So yeah, he'll
be uh hopefully he'll pass that with no problems and they'll be they'll be off to learn something new in in March. Uh the charger, I don't know if we mentioned it. We probably did. It was delivered uh today sitting in our cell port waiting for install.
>> Something about the cement pad. >> Yeah, that was poured. They did all this surprisingly through this whole weather thing >> and now they Yeah, they just dropped the actual charger into Sallyport this morning. So, it's coming together. We're going to we're going to have a charger. It's great.
>> Uh for the budget report on the expense side, uh we have 20% left on the expense side, but the salary side looks pretty good. Uh you already know that the cruiser maintenance budget is well over $30,000 now. It's they've sold their
cars and as they break down we fix them and put them back in. >> Do you know do you know what the average for the city is for for mainten overage and maintenance? I mean >> no idea but I know they're all over. >> Yeah. Uh we sat with actually we sat with the owners of the local Ford
dealership and the top bosses of the local and they're they cut our rates dramatically because they know what our budget sits at and it's just I mean a little too too little too late. >> Cars are in tough shape. But
>> is that as much as the maintenance is the Ford dealership? >> It it really varies. So it depends on the repair. Our DPW will do the majority if they can. Um they've had their own challenges. They've had people come and go. Um, one more recent that went was because they never even put the bolts
back in the caliper. >> Kind of a bad thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He heard a lot of noise and weirdness going on and he never put the bolts in the caliper on a break job. >> Big clunks. >> He didn't work there no more. >> So, but again, normal routine service, oil changes, even some electrical stuff,
little things, they'll do it and and they bill us department to department. But um the bigger stuff uh we'd send down to either Ford to Greenfield, Florida to Northampton and it's a dealer fix. >> Problem with a lot of it is is is the electronics and the computers that you
need to diagnose your problem. I mean >> but it's a compounding issue too. Nothing in these old cars is covered on warranty. That's the problem. It's all out of bucket. You have to pay for it all. We're That's the benefit of buying the new cars because most of those repairs stay under the warranty terms and if you rotate them quick enough, you're always covered under warranty.
The vast majority of our cars are not covered that way now. It's literally out of our pocket. >> Yeah. >> Final page called response activity. Uh 22 calls, five sections, two diversions, and no injuries or arrests or summones.
>> That's low, right? >> Yeah, it was low. We still have that one uh >> CS today. Yeah. >> All right. Pass on our congratulations. A little baby and little cutie. >> Y >> I don't know if you wanted any sort of
clarification on the motor vehicle stops and enforcement that reviewed um I sent out. I think it's really important especially to reinforce the good work, the you know opportunities that uh officers have for overtime or if they
really enjoy traffic enforcement. unlike some people um that they they see that kind of reflected and appreciated by um by everybody in the department. Um so for our December 25 um the traffic
safety grant it was a focus on impaired driving so OUIs etc. Uh so there was a total of 12 shifts dedicated to the winter impaired driving. It resulted in 51 motor vehicle stops, three failure to
stop written warnings, one speeding citations, so that would be that monetary fine citation that you were talking about. Um, two speeding written warnings, three OUIRS resulted, and that's not including OURS that occurred outside of just this dedicated safety
grant um detail times. There were also um another criminal summon for unlicensed operation, 32 other written warnings and other verbal warnings. Uh we were able to secure two new solar speed alert radar signs um as well as
two brand new PBTs for the department which Sergeant Lgoy and Officer Granger are going to be bringing down to OAT to get certified and put in the rotation in cruisers starting next starting next month. >> Cool. So that'll be that'll be good to
have those sort of um on the road and patrol to be able to use those. Ours are again antipated much like a lot of equipment happens and especially tech >> especially a lot of technology >> looked at me and said >> getting people off the road who are intoxicated is probably important.
>> Very antiquated like some of the other stuff we have. >> Um >> you can smell musky. Um and then the next dedicated traffic enforcement month will be distracted driving again um handheld electronic devices and we will be utilizing
handheld radar and LAR in April. But before that we have a detail or two a month that is community outreach showing uh community members how a LAR unit works or radar unit works um and always just continuing that enforcement. So
>> those were good numbers for December which helped out. >> Can you continue to give us the breakdown on the >> I can. >> Yes. >> It was my first month ever. So >> I will Chris put them in his fancy um >> more words.
>> I'll get the new chair those >> graciously. Whatever you need. >> You want us to bring you a copy when we come? >> Okay. That's what it >> Wait till he sees my requests every month. >> Oh my god, I'm going to lose that email. It's not going to work.
>> Security breach. >> All right. Yeah, those those u those those um speed signs are good. I type because sometimes not admitting any guilt that sometimes it'll flash at me and I'll go, "Oh jeez, >> this will be adding numbers.
>> I don't drive anything in Greenville. >> This will be our third set of two for the department. Now I just need to learn how to use STEM. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Different apps for everything. >> Sometimes it's a good reminder to say, "Oh geez, I guess I am going a little." You don't you don't really realize how fast you're going, especially in newer
vehicles. >> I don't know. I never see the alerts. >> Yes, >> she has a question. >> Question for for them. >> It says expense side is nearly only 20% left for the next five months. >> Got it.
Who? What' you been spending the money on? >> Maintenance cars >> literally. So, >> so you're aware I requested a a transfer and it's just not how it works. But when we sit and watch the budget, we like if it was your own, you're stressed at the
numbers, right? So, I had put in a request to the finance director and the mayor, can you send us over what we're over in cruiser maintenance now? Because we're halfway through the year. We only have 20% left of our our expense side. And if if the transfer, which was $5,000
more at the time than what we were over in our cruiser budget, went through, we would have been perfect in terms of the percentage going forward. Um, but literally, unbeknownst to me, there was about $12,000 more invoices that weren't yet factored in.
>> So, which again, we're down to 20%. It's scary watching it. Um the mayor knows and there there certainly is a plan. Um but money's not great right now. So we are on a spending moratorum. I told the deputy chief we buy nothing extra. We
can't buy anything extra. There's nothing. There's no luxuries. There's nothing. >> We have to get through the fiscal year, but we're never going to make it through the fiscal year and get back to the black on that. There's no way. We got 20% left in six months. So I
like she's at toner alone will put us here. I don't know. We go through a lot of paper, a lot of toner, a lot of everything it seems. So, um it's it's a scary place right now. In terms of salary, uh you know, we have the ability to manipulate that a little bit in terms
of delaying a hire here and there to kind of save that money. Um and we may have to utilize that again because at the end of the year, you put these numbers together. You can't do it throughout the actual fiscal year, but towards the end, you can start combining top to bottom and and check your overall
percentage. So, on literally on a daily basis, the deputy chief and I uh and Judy are are watching that spreadsheet and watching it like a hawk and and we're really we do have to concentrate on that lower number, which is already concerning as well. You got 20 on the
bottom and and we're tracking well on the top. We're behind where we want to be. So, we're 50% 56% through the year and we had about 48%. So, not we're not happy. We're not in a good spot. >> I I thought it was a mistake, but I
guess >> Oh, that's that's the stuff that stresses me. Yeah. >> What are you doing about the uh one detective down? What's the plan? >> We don't have one yet. >> I'm sure you'll let us know. >> There's We're We're down so many right now. We have we were just advised one of
our military persons may be gone for another month a month plus maybe two coming into FIFA. So the World Cup being held in Foxboro is going they're going to summon all resources there. So um and we got Josh
leaving. There's two we haven't even filled yet to replace. So two are going to the academy. One's in it right now and he'll be in field training for at least a few months. So, we don't know. We'll we're going to have to come up with some contingency plans because our main
>> one detective isn't going to cut it obviously. >> That's all. And that's basically what we're >> Okay. >> Cuz Cory Green just came out to take over as a sergeant. Yeah. >> So, he's in a professional sergeant position for the moment. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We'll keep us updated on that one.
>> Thank you. >> Good time. >> Anything else for questions, concerns? Okay, gentlemen. >> Thank you. >> And late. >> All right, the last thing is on the agenda is to review what we protected
schedules. Um, I'm going to leave this one up to Maria. Um, >> it's his it's his don't worry about it from Adel, you know. So, do you have do you want to have this conversation or >> just you can ask questions and I'll
answer the best I can. >> All right. >> So, the the when the chief sent out the e the emergency plan for this week snowstorm, there was a whole list of sites that um could support folks
outside of the warming shelter hours. >> Correct. >> Is that correct? >> Correct. So there's three there's at least three or four sites like the library, the senior center, and a few others. Are those being you do you know if those are being utilized? >> Yes. So So what happens is the folks come in from 7:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. and
then they they know where they can go between 7 a.m. and >> 700 p.m. >> Okay. >> But this weekend the uh Salvation Army opened from 2 p.m. >> Okay. and fed them because on Saturdays
and Sundays there's no place other than um stone soup in the morning there's no place for them to get anything you know have you know >> so it's really the weekend that's the challenge of the the daytime hours the weekend >> correct because everything always
happens 9 to5 Monday through Friday right >> um and the other issue is that you know we really could use a lot of coffee because they go through coffee like crazy So, if anybody out there has any extra coffee, just send it our way. Um, but
the numbers are increasing because of the fact that, you know, what below zero. >> Um, >> but they've been very cooperative, very calm. The folks that have been coming
have been great. So um just let's hope what I understand also is that we're running out of money because of so many. So the grant is running out. >> So what do we do? Do we have a
contingency plan for that? >> That's a good question. I don't even know who you would ask, but that's a great question. Well, I mean, we do need to come up with something because if the if they we don't have any money, then is the town going to step up, which
financially they can't? >> So, what are we going to going to do? And I think that um this issue is a public safety issue for the reason that people freeze to death. You know, in my career, I found too,
>> you know. So, >> well, will you keep us posted on new things, challenges, anything that comes up? >> No, I I will definitely let you all know what it is that I feel the commission
is should respond to. >> Yep. Very good. I think uh if I looked at my calendar right, February 25th. >> Yes. at 6 pm at the fire station will be the next >> meeting. >> And hopefully we don't need a special
one in between then. >> So hopefully it comes out one in March. Are you going to go through and >> March be the 25th also? >> Because I mean February and March are usually >> Yeah, February is short month. Um
I was going to ask Yep. Will I have a motion for adjournment? >> Yeah. >> Second. All in favor? >> I. Great folks. Great job. >> Nobody ever says nobody ever says let me shut the recording off. Yeah.