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--------- All right, everyone. Um, we are recording the meeting uh right now. Um, and we do have a quorum. So, if anybody else is recording this meeting, just let me know now.

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Okay, great. Um, so the first thing that I'm going to do on the agenda is just do a call to order and um do a roll call of the members that are present. So, I'm just gonna read out the names and just say here. Bella Lavi

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>> here. >> Marcela Flan >> here. >> Mo Schwagert >> here. >> Ed Moose, >> I'm here. >> Uh, and Tim Fisk is here. So far absent,

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we have JJ White and Danielle Lucier um as absent. But we do have a quorum, so we are able to move forward with the meeting and the agenda. Um, I hope everybody got a copy of the agenda today from Susan. Um, the first thing that we

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need to do is just approve uh the last meeting's minutes. Thank you so much, Marcel, for sending those out to us. Um, I don't know if anybody had a chance to read the minutes. Were there any comments on the minutes?

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>> Love them. >> Okay. They are very comprehensive which I just want to say is really awesome. So, um that's that's just really great. Uh can I get an >> Susan's got a I was just going to say Susan's got a process that she shared with me which involves like a first pass

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AI transcription and then a little tidying and uh seems to do the trick. >> Wonderful. Awesome. Well, I appreciate the time you put into that. Can I get an a motion to approve the minutes? >> Motion >> and a second. Second.

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>> Hey Mo, thank you for that second. Um, all in favor, please say I and just raise your hand so I can see. >> I Okay. Um, any that's unanimous. So, it was unanimous that we are passing the minutes.

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Um, really what we want to talk about today is the survey and just distribution of the survey. Right? So, now it's time to start getting those answers. And um I don't know if you guys anybody took the library survey. I liked how they distributed that out. I want

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them to send ours out too to their lists. Um but I don't know if anybody's given any thought to, you know, how we could um best distribute this to get as many respondents as possible. Um just for everybody's institutional knowledge, I

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think we got like 104 or something like that respondents last time. I think we definitely want to do a lot better this time. Um, so open to any and all ideas. We have time this time. I think we were a little rushed the last time.

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>> Should we do a raffle? >> That's fun. Enter to win. >> Enter to win. I feel like I don't know if that actually makes people want to do a survey. >> Once I won from doing a survey, I did it because I knew nobody else was going to do the survey and then I won.

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I don't know how I felt about the library survey. I felt an obligation to >> Did the library survey have a raffle? No, >> I don't think so. There was just someone tableabling at the co-op and she looked lonely, so I went and talked to her. >> Oh, yeah. That's great.

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>> How does it work today? How does it work today? The the the laboratory uh responsible used to like remind the people like, "Oh, I have a survey if you guys are interested." Um, what we did last time was we put out a press release. We had it listed on the

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website, like the link was on the website, but we also reached out to uh organizations that we knew at the time had email lists that they could send it out to as well. Um, definitely some of them were missed for sure. Um, and then,

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um, we did do some in-person tableabling at both, uh, Greenfield Pride and at the Junth celebration. >> Gotcha. Cable at Junth. Um, sounds cool. Uh, yeah, I feel like email

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lists are the way to go. >> Yeah, it is electronic. Like, I don't know that um, it was super effective. I mean, Marcel, did you table it bride a little bit? >> I think so. And yeah, I don't remember it being It's almost like Yeah, if you do, I almost feel like the best way is

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to just like have a card with a QR or something. Like, it doesn't seem like anyone's going to like fill it out then and there necessarily. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I think at the end of the day,

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Yeah. C can I ask what kind of questions we have in the survey uh team? I'm sorry, but I I I haven't seen the survey before. >> Yeah, sure. So, um we I think we have the link. Um is the link in the minutes?

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>> It is. It's at the bottom under uh like documents consulted or something. >> Yep. So, um, the link is in the minutes if you want to. Let me see.

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Here, I'll put it in the chat as well. >> Oh, okay. >> What's a really good prize? A Franklin County gift card. >> Franklin County gift card. Movie tickets. Um, >> well, Isaac loves to donate music movie

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tickets. That would be easy. Yeah, >> I feel like I feel like Shepard Falls Coffee Roers usually donates when I ask. Um >> the co-op always donates if you ask. >> That's great. Do you think maybe we

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should get a few prizes, a few winners? >> I mean, yeah, I can't really imagine incentive to fill out. I I can't really imagine getting more than 100 people again. Um,

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that seems like a big goal to get more than that. >> Yeah. Hi JJ. >> Hello. Hello. Sorry I'm late. Just >> Oh, no problem. >> Yeah, >> do you have a quorum? >> We had a quorum the whole time, so no

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problem. >> Okay. Well, then I'm I'm in the middle of uh construction chaos >> with contractors. Um I beg you to uh to let me step out if you have a quorum.

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>> Yes, absolutely. JJ, thank you for checking in. We really appreciate that. >> Yeah. Well, uh next meeting. This is just the worst time for me. >> Yeah, no problem. >> We'll make sure you get the minutes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.

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Bye. So yeah, Ed, we discussed it um at length in the last meeting, but absolutely there's plenty we like plenty of space for us to make additional changes if you have something that you might want to add or subtract or you know say there's

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no >> Yeah, I I was trying actually to to access the link uh you sent me but Marcel sent me but I don't have access. I I requested but I don't know who's going to be granting this. >> If you go to the minutes, did you get

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the minutes via email? >> I do. I did. Yeah, I did. Let me let me actually see >> that link. I think is the public facing. So that as if you were taking the the um >> right. Let me see. >> It's the draft 2006 committed art and

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Okay, gotcha. Yeah, >> it's still it's still not I mean it says like you you need access. >> Fine. I kept I pressed on it on the email following up from the last meeting. I think that's how I was able

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to access it. >> Yeah, maybe I could get in because I do have it shared with me. So, let me just see if I can go to the form and >> Yeah, it shows for me like you need access request access. >> Interesting.

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>> Yeah, it's saying that to me too. It's published which is strange >> responders. It's Yeah. So, um >> is that everybody have the same issue because it it seems like >> I'm changing the permissions on it right now.

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>> Oh, yeah. That's where I pressed. >> Oh. >> Oh, now you're in. >> Oh, yeah. Okay. Gotcha. >> Yeah. Yeah. I guess whatever it was that Susan set up cuz this is like owned by the city and then shared it with Marcel and I so we could make changes but we

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never made it public. So now it's public. >> Sorry about that. That's fine. >> Um, so anyways, uh, while Ed is looking over this, I think it would be great to do some, um,

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do the raffle for sure, but let's try to identify a list of organizations that have um, some email lists that they can put out. That'll be good. Um and and also too like one of the things that I said like to art space and I think I shared this with you guys during the

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grant making process was um you know when the survey comes out that'll be a great time for you to get it out to your people so that that kind of art is in those kinds of artists is included in the survey and in the responses. So, I want to make sure

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that we get like a really diverse uh distribution strategy so that we do cover a lot of different types of art artists, arts enthusiasts. I wish we had our own list, but we don't really have a list. So,

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>> we could put up a poster with a QR code by Ice Cream Alley, so all the people waiting in line will scan it and take the survey. >> Yeah. So, I love that idea having a flyer with a QR code. >> Um, does anybody want to volunteer to

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make the flyer? >> I'm happy to do it as well, but >> I want to. >> You want to do it, Bella? Yeah, she did the flyer for the >> for the um drop in process. >> Did you make the cranky fest flyer,

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Bella, as well? >> No, that was my extremely talented friend. >> Got it. It was great. Thank you. >> All right. Great. So, we'll have Bell. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I I like Sorry. Sorry guys. I I I

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actually like the the way it is. It's kind of nice, but I don't know why we don't have we are not receiving any like feedback from this. But I would I would add just like one single thing maybe not sure what you guys think like such as

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like which type of arts cultural programs do you currently attended and which one you would like to having in our town or whatever. >> Is that kind of what the second page is all about? >> Say that again.

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>> So the second page is like how strongly you feel about different arts events. Is that is that different than what you're saying? >> It's the same the same necessity for receiving this response but in in another way asking I would say because

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for me I would understand like I mean the second page like saying like if I if it's like a a a suggestion from me you know like okay I want this or I I would like to have seen this or I would like to see that. Could we even maybe Ed like

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um add that to the question framing like so that they're because in a way right like it I I like the idea that right why why someone might prioritize something for funding could be that it's the kind of thing they want to see in the world and so like I'm just very mindful of

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survey length and just not wanting to like >> um I wouldn't want to reask all of those questions by category but I wonder if we could say like you know um >> yeah how how might you prioritize whether that's what you want to see or

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yeah I don't know some language that sort of links it to people's experience. >> Yeah, I gotcha. Yeah, that's that's that's exactly my my my my note here. >> Cool. >> Yeah. >> So like I'm kind of typing in it right now just for whatever. Uh so regarding

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the following genres, think about what types of projects should the GLCC prioritize for funding. That's weirdly worded. That's not correct. um the GLCC should prioritize for funding and then like consider what

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kinds of arts and cultural events you have attended, which types you would like to attend, comma, and what you would like to see more of in Greenfield. And and and something else I would I would add if you guys agree uh since you already know

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what we have in our table as offers we could even like uh mention I mean not that we have but could be a possibility for an example something that we didn't found like last year and then we can say we can say like what about this this

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this and that and see what they would say you know because that could be like a a metric for the next year to say okay uh we have a survey Everybody say that we should be founding funding this that we haven't been founding last year. Does that make sense?

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>> I don't understand what the question is. >> Can you say it again? >> I said uh we we have in our t in our table like the offers for the whole years that we have approved and the one that we haven't approved. So we we actually know what we have and we could

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offer for them, right? We we know everything. We have like we have we had like last year like 90 something project and we only approved like 40 something. >> Yes. >> So the other ones we know what they are

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about what what they what are their subjects. So in the survey here uh the suggestion my suggestion would be like uh uh what do you think like would be nice for you to be seeing this next year and then we could add as a example like

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uh I don't know like uh like music festival whatever that we saw that someone applied for the event but we we didn't we didn't fund for them. So that could be a metric. So we could see if if the on the survey if people would like having that event that we didn't found

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but they don't know that we have in our table. >> Well, I feel like it makes more sense to say something general than saying p library puppet show from someone who lives in Boston. Like that's like too specific, right, to ask someone and like

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and that's like an event we didn't >> No, not exactly like this. I'm not saying like we have a puppet show. No, we have like what about like showing I don't know. I don't know any terminology for that. But that might be a terminology that is like it's general like instead of saying the the the real project not going to be mentioned that

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we have the real project for them to be doing this to be accepting ah what about this project what about of kind of this subject that that implies for that particular project that only us knows. >> Yeah. Grouped by genre a little bit. um

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just in in the way that we did it now. Um, and it's a but it's a good question like whether that matches I I think it would match most of the applications that I remember seeing. Um, but but yeah, such that like if there

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were projects whether they were funded or not that weren't covered by our categories here, I could certainly >> that's that's the term. Thanks. Thanks for that myself. That's the thing that I was trying to get I could see. >> And so how how do you feel about the categories that are there? So like

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gallery and visual art exhibitions, live performances or festivals. Um >> like does that I guess our I think my thought with those categories was to try and cover the full range of applications that we would have gotten um by having

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them kind of at that level of almost like medium or genre in a way. >> Yeah. So just looking to see live performance festivals, local history events, nature, science or climate

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focused events, public art, professional development of artists and creators, recorded media that can be streamed and shared digitally, social justice and cultural diversity focused events. >> Tim, I don't know if you saw I also put in the chat just like a

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>> gallery or visual arts too. Sorry, I was like, where's visual arts? >> Um, just as if we wanted to add a sentence like after choose level of priority for each, low, medium, or high, and then maybe like on a separate line. I wonder if that would kind of get at this idea of like, yeah, you might rank

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it on the basis of this or you might rank it on the basis of this. >> I'm going to in this point would be interesting. So, we could see uh we could see what actually people would like to be seeing instead of just being approved whatever. It's it's like coherent for us like from our

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understanding. You know what I mean? >> I mean that's that's my thought. That's my that's my thought. I I might be wrong because that's the first time that I'm doing this. You guys all know >> but >> no no I think that's the entire point of the survey. So like when we get to the second part and we talk about funding

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priorities, we're asking people to rank low priority, medium priority or high priority on these different categories of events. And when we when Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Mar Marcel and I came up with these categories, we did have like

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the full universe of applications in mind to make sure that we hit every type of application that we had received. >> Okay. Does that does that meet what you're trying to >> Yes. Yes. And I actually tried to find something else here and actually let me

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share something that I see here. will be something similar to this that I'm sending for you guys in here in the chat. >> Okay, >> similar to this, >> Marcel, I typed out um >> what that looks fine. I we we had the same idea, I think.

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>> So, for all of you to see regarding the following categories, think about what types of projects the DLC GLC should prioritize for funding. Consider what kinds of arts and cultural events you have attended, which types of events you would like to attend, and what you would like to see more of in Greenfield.

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Basically all those categories Ed that you put in the chat are covered. >> They are. But do you have a metric? Do you have a metric for uh the amount of the ones that they have accepted on the

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survey? >> Yeah. Low, medium, and high, right? >> Uhhuh. >> I guess we don't have youth and senior programs. Although I guess that would be the um that's like the the special what what's the question about that that we

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came up with about like um yeah prioritize projects that >> the last one >> um do we have theater? >> We have performance and festivals. So

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like performing arts, visual arts, um history, nature, science, public art, professional development, recorded media, and social justice as like the types of art genres. It is much more broad.

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Yeah, I probably would separate music and theater because that's what a lot of the applications are for and I don't really care about supporting music applications. I don't know if other people do.

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>> Yeah. So, um we we could do uh live performance. We could do theater and performing arts. We could do um

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live music and concerts. >> I would. Yeah, >> that makes sense to me. Yeah, they're super distinct. >> And um can I say another suggestion, >> please? >> Um so last year we kept um

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cutting people because they weren't local. Um, and I'm and nowhere in the survey do we ask if people care about the like us rewarding local artists versus non-local artists. So maybe so I'm

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thinking that might be an important question. >> I think we decided we wanted to form to do that like last year. >> Oh >> yeah, I love deciding that. like we we can like I guess um I don't think I

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think that our priorities are still this body's priorities and they're informed by the survey not uh resulted by the survey or like what what is your suggestion Bella just so I know are you like willing to open a space for at least like one project that

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is not from the community that would be something interesting >> oh we definitely funded people who aren't uh who don't who aren't Greenfield residents. It's just that we like when we were given a list of of options and a lot of them are similar.

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We always picked the Greenfield person, >> right? >> And we often wrote off several applications of people who were >> I I agree with you. I think it would be nice like maybe having something different that we have it from our community like open space for at least like one annually or two or whatever.

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Something that we haven't seen in here. I think it could be something completely different from from what we haven't seen so far in this in this community. So something new >> like a new opportunity. >> Sorry I keep cutting you off. Um

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>> with um that this specific grant is it's the same in every town in Massachusetts. And so groups apply to every single town um even though they don't know Greenfield at all. And >> and they're not going to perform it in Greenfield. And so they just perform at

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every library that accepts them and they don't have like they don't actually have a local base that's interested in that. Um >> yeah. So it's not >> so so they don't make any part of any group anyways like community you mean >> right?

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>> They are everywhere. Is that what you mean? They could be all over the state like yeah from eastern near Boston out and they they go on tour right and then right >> they we ask them to list where you'll see it in the applications that well they'll they'll list like 20 other

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cultural councils that they've applied to >> or it'll be pretty obvious when they're when it's an application like that. >> Yeah. And I think also too like you know we the language itself says priority will be given to

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>> it doesn't say that we will only fund right like so we're giving ourselves an opening if something spectacular came along that we were like yes this needs to come to green field like where we could do that I think and still be

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within our own priorities. Um, I was just going to note that we also say that we particularly welcome proposals from firsttime applicants. And so I think that's another way we could sort of, you know, if we if we saw something that we had never seen before, whether it was local or from outside the state. Um,

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yeah. I mean, I don't know. I think I I would having now looked at what three three rounds of these, like I think I would Yeah, I would be stoked to see, you know, projects like that. >> That would be very interesting for our community, guys. We have we have always always also to see what people would

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like to be seeing something interesting. We haven't seen like so many in here. So that's that's a very nice opportunity to be having the attendees like uh seeing something new in our uh neighborhood and community. I I totally agree with that.

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M >> but of course we have we have like most of the mo most of the the the the the funds like given to the community which we already been doing so far. So but yeah I completely I completely agree with this opportunity. >> I think when we added that language we

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were also trying to like manage expectations a little bit from some organizations that have applied year after year after year and I think have almost assumed that they would be funded. And so yeah to just sort of like make the point that you know we're And think in another perspective guys uh

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think of something that could be so nicer that we can also bring people come over to our city to watch this event. >> So what we could do >> that's not really what happens with those with yeah >> depend of kind of event you're going to be having is not going to be open for

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something very boring for sure. >> Yeah be something great. I mean, you know, I don't >> it has to be something nice. Otherwise, you're not going to have attendees from your your own communities community over someone around us. It has to be something nicer.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, I like what we chose in the last round. I think it was it ultimately ended up being quite easy um to fund the way that we did. Uh we just needed more time because there were so many applicants.

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Um this is a competitive grant and we keep it very competitive. We have the um the right but also I think the mandate to keep it competitive. Right? If you guys remember, there was somebody that

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had contested our um our denial and they contested it because they were arguing that all of their their project fit within the scope of our priorities, which it did, but it

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doesn't mean that they get the grant, right? So again, I'm just kind of coming back to this. At the end of the day, this body is the ones deciding what's going to come through. I think it's important that we um ask these questions of the public. I I'm now wondering based

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on this conversation if we're, you know, are we going are we going to get any new information from this survey? You know, is it just theater? Uh is there an opportunity to ask a question on here that maybe will give us

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some information we didn't know or, you know, something we don't know? I mean, I'll say that that open-ended question that we added at the end. I would say the one that I'm maybe the most excited about is on that third page about like I'm paraphrasing, but like what's the last arts event you went to in Greenfield that like made an impression

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on you, right? Or that really wowed you. Um, >> and I I think um yeah, I don't know. I I would be super curious to see how people respond to that and are they are they big, are they small, are they I don't know. uh are there any patterns that we can get from from that kind of

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open-ended question? >> Yeah, I think the openended >> we also have to see something we have to also to be to see something uh which is like uh what kind of what what how can I say that like what what what kind what type of the amount of people

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going to be seeing we're going to be having for those as attendees. So we are like what what are we basing here? So we we're going to be open space for people that has like 10 to 15 or even less attendees or we're going to be uh having like Marcel just mentioned like a wall

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thing that can be like a lot of people inside of those something that we are we are being found. You know what I mean? >> It is a question for me makes more sense for me makes more sense having something wi that just like randomly and basic like rotine stuff. That's what that's my

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thing. I mean I think you can have impactful events at different scales though, right? So like I think I mean we do fund big events like Pride and like you know I mean events that definitely bring hundreds and and you know um a lot of people but I think we've funded

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events that are small that that feel I think particularly if they're open to the public right I mean if if they're small and they're just for the people in the room. I think we've sort of shied away from that and just in terms of the the you know um one of the criterion of the grant being that it's sort of open

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to everyone. Um but yeah, I think I would make the case for sort of supporting at a range of scales because I think you can have really terrific work that you know is in a small venue for instance, right? And so um might have to stay small but might be really

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going to distribute the survey? >> Yes, I I want to say I do want to do that for sure. I did, just to also say it one more time, I did add a category. I changed the word from genre to category. By the way, um, I thought that would be a better word for anybody to

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understand. Um, and then I added like I parsed out performance into theater and performing arts and live music and festivals. Okay. So, just to summarize what I did. >> Um, my only suggestion tip might be to re-alphabetize them at some point. You

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don't have to do it on the call. >> Oh, is that what I is that what they were? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Can it be live music and concerts, not festivals? Because there could be theater festivals. >> That's right. Thank you. or cranky festivals.

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>> Yep. Or puppet festivals. >> Cool. Yes. And yeah, it's easy to um alphabetize. So yeah, I do we do have to get to the distribution piece. And I do want to say, Ed, like you know, everything that you're bringing up will

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be like we're going to have two more opportunities for all this conversation. one, we're going to rewrite the priorities and submit them to the state where we can h continue to have this conversation and number two, we have these conversations during the grant making process itself. So, um your the

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ideas uh can they have many opportunities to come up uh and new ideas can be introduced as >> like in December when we're actually reviewing the grants. So, um, >> yeah, and I I'll be very honest with

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you. I'm I'm open for the new. I mean, I I I I I'm not sure just because I'm I'm from another country that makes me feel like, okay, I like to see I I love my community, but I like to see what my community can brings to me. I don't like to see what my my community already have

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and have it only what they have it to show me. And uh, okay, this is your bread and butter from 10 years ago. No, I This is your bread and butter and cheese. >> Yes. >> Well, you're coming on to the council at

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just the right time. This is like going to be the third year that we've actually had a really competitive process. Uh before that, for those of you that don't weren't here, we tried our best to fund every applicant even when there were >> I seen I seen when when I had a meeting

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with Bella, I saw I actually discussing about the day that I had the meeting with Bella. Uh I didn't know that we actually have like a lot of documents that it's actually very very nice for for like a report that we we were trying to do it and uh we do have like nice documents that we could actually I mean

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you guys Bella told me that you guys review every every year and uh and yeah so so I I I liked but the only thing that actually that I saw that maybe we should I don't know maybe try to do something is the report back from the

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founder people that we we are founding because for example last year we had 90 plus I mean 91 I don't remember like applica applicants and then we have like 41 that we 40 something that we found it and we only have like 20 reports back so

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there is something wrong there >> no we had reports back from almost all of them maybe like three or four >> how many how many we had how many we saw do you remember how many we saw how many reports from the last year I think it was 20 right >> it was the same amount. It's It's that a

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lot of them are written by hand. >> Yeah. Well, >> they were handwritten. Yeah. And that's a process >> on my view, it's a gap. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's a process that's determined by the Massachusetts Cultural Council. Unfortunately, I think that we could consider some advocacy with them

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of trying to advocate for a digital reporting um platform >> or maybe like creating a policy for them. I'm not sure if he has Yeah. Um, let's let's keep that in mind for future conversations and go back to

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distribution just so that we have a game plan before seven of how we're going to distribute some of these things. I think um if anybody has connections to organizations, we should just start a

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list. In my opinion, if anybody has a different idea, a different way to do it. Are we are we still going to be um doing the uh doing the survey in August? >> I would say no because um the the

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guidelines are due to the state by the end of August. So I would say our like absolute cut off should be end of July because then we'll need to like review the results and then based on what we see in the results like edit the guidelines and get them to the state by

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the cutoff which is end of August. >> Okay. >> Does that make sense? >> Yeah. I would love to table at the harvest supper but if that timing doesn't work then >> well I think we can do that right. Um,

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I think we can because we can see the the results. It's not they're not going to necessarily inform our priorities, right? If we have to have a meeting prior to that to discuss and and like concretize the priorities, but they can still inform our process,

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if that makes sense. >> Yeah. Um, okay. So, you said what is it? The what is it? The autumn fest. The harvest supper. >> Harvest. Harvest supper. Sorry. Harvest supper would be a live

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tableabling. Should we try to be present at Pride? >> I have to work Pride, so I can't do it. >> I'm not I'm actually not even in town. Um >> Marcel, you want to hold it down?

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Um, I'm actually gonna be away, unfortunately. Um, I'm sad to miss it. >> It's summer. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't think that the the in-person ones were that um when we tabled that it was that impactful, but >> I would almost say like if we want to do

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in person stuff, I would almost be more inclined to say like let's take the flyer like if we wanted to sort of do like um 4x6 like little card versions and like yeah, even like as people are leaving an event or whatever like I I

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almost think it's more impactful to be somewhere where people are like engaging with arts and culture and like get something into their hand than necessarily to be there for like I don't know in a table format. I'm a little more uh skeptical. >> I like that too. Like passing out a

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thing. We can spend some of our money on that too. >> Well, the flyer is going to be epic. >> Good. >> Yeah. Like I I don't know like the I was just thinking about the like on the boards thing that's happening at Lava Center for instance, right? Like if I don't know if anyone Yeah, I I would

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happily like show up for those and like hand out some cards afterwards for instance. >> Cool. Um, great. Uh, what about digitally? I would like to talk to the library and ask them about their distribution list. Um, does

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GCTV have a distribution list? >> We're on it. And we can get lava. And we can get lucky here. And we can get art >> and music. >> Music of Franklin. Uh, Egg Tooth will do

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it. They did it last time. >> And we can do the Greenfield Community Chorus. And we can do the Greenfield military band. We could do it to all of the people who get the money, who are

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>> um You said egg tooth licky here, art space, music of Franklin, Greenfield, Community Chorus. Oh, Lava Center. We could do it to the um what do you call it? Uh

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my god, what what day is it? Turner's Falls Theater venue. >> The Shay >> Shay Theater. Thank you. I almost said like the Majestic. I don't know what I was thinking. My brain is the Sha theater.

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I don't know. Would the co-op even send it out like as part of their >> Yeah, maybe. >> I don't know. >> They got a lot of They serve poor people, too. They serve like kind of a different population. >> What What did you say, Bella? I'm sorry.

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>> Oh, stone soup. H I said just roots, but >> just roots. Just roots. uh list herbs are pretty easy. >> Yeah. >> To get on. >> I love that idea. Um and I know sometimes at Stone Soup they have someone like come down the line

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with an iPad filling out a survey and people in line like we could do something like that. Someone wants to do that on a Saturday morning. >> I would do that. >> Yeah. Um, the Center for New Americans, CSO,

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maybe not CSO, uh, Community Action, Salvation Army, the Grapevine. >> I don't think they serve. >> Oh, probably not. Yeah, Lucky doesn't roll the serve either. What about like I'm thinking of trying to think of some like company other like

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arts companies like silver. >> What's that? >> Life path. That was a big uh listerve that I'm on every month. >> Life path. Okay. I wonder about like

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this is kind of silly but like asking like the Memorial Hall Museum or something like I'm trying to think of a >> the Greenfield Historical Societ. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> No, I think that's a great >> The Museum of Our Industrial Heritage.

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>> I've got a soft spot for them. >> They're the best. Um, I >> kind of want to be on their board someday. >> Seems possible. >> Yeah. >> What about the PTA? Like the Greenfield PTA?

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>> I reached out to the middle school before. I don't think any of us have kids. Um, >> okay. Um, >> oh, Greenfield Recreation.

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>> Yeah. >> Oh, uh, the Greenfield Business Association. >> Yep. This is a good list to I mean if we could get this if all of these people send it out we'd be covering quite a bit of people. M

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so do we yeah do we want to set a date that's at least like a I don't know preliminary cut off and then or I'm just thinking like when we send it out to folks like what yeah when when we'll sort of ask for responses back by which

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I guess doesn't have to be an ironclad we won't consider responses past that point but also just to like create a little urgency >> July 31st >> is that >> I think That's a great date. >> Okay. >> Um,

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Bella, I know you have a bunch of emails for these people. I have a I have a bunch of them, too. Maybe we could um just post this as like a Google doc and like um fill in the emails for the

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people that would we would ask to distribute >> names of those people. do a pass at that. >> Yeah. And then everybody everybody should, but I I think that will be the best way to get to as many of these people because I don't like I know Hannah, I know Linda, I know Art Space,

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right? Like I know a bunch of these people, but not all of them for sure. >> Okay, cool. >> Would be too insane to go to coffee shopies as well. People go to work in there, >> right? Um, so I'm going to do that and

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send it out to everybody, but I would love to get this out next week. And what we can do is like just get it out as we get it out, right? I I think um is everybody comfortable with Bella and I sending out the requests to these

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organizations? >> That's great. If you're willing, that's wonderful. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay, great. So, we'll do that um as co-chairs, right? I think that's a good ask. >> Okay, cool. So,

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um, what else do we need to talk about regarding distribution? Obviously like anybody in this council that comes up with an idea of who how to distribute it should feel free to do that just without

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outside of the meeting like it's a public you know um survey so anybody you know whatever ideas come up just go and do it right um we want to get in as many people's hands as possible >> but I thought this would be a good start I think for All right.

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Um, just going back to the agenda, >> adu reporter for $12. >> We could take out an ad. Yeah, >> that'd be kind of cool. Um, >> let's follow up with Susan about like if

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we have any dollars in the coffers that we can spend on this, even if it's like, you know, hundred bucks, that would be great. >> Um, because maybe we could print out some cards and we could, you know, do some things like that. Uh, I know that

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the recorder will do an article. So, um, Marcel, do you feel comfortable working with Susan on a press release? Sure. Yeah. I feel like last year we did it as like a letter to the editor,

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>> but I don't know that that was I mean, yeah, I actually wondered if a press release might be better or I wasn't. >> Yeah, let me follow up with Susan about that. That's a great idea. >> Okay, great. And we can get it out to all of them.

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Um, >> sweet. >> It's a good secretary task. I'm taking it on. >> Okay, great. Thank you. I appreciate it. >> Um, anything else uh before we move on? Any new business that we need to discuss?

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>> It's like a little teaser. >> Yes, teasers. So, a couple people in town are planning sort of an arts summit, but super hyper local arts uh gathering

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for like uh talking about the needs of nonprofits and art and arts advocacy in Greenfield. And I'm thinking, so we're having a meeting tomorrow, so I can't I like really don't know what it's going to be yet, but I'm thinking we could

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make this into like a larger event and that could include a section sponsored by Greenfield Cultural Council that is this like the artist networking event we were talking about in other meetings. >> Love that. >> So, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to tack us

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on to this other event, but uh I I literally don't know what it's going to look like yet. That sounds amazing. Do you know will it happen or like is does it look like it'll happen before the application deadline or or do we know? >> It's looking like September. So, >> okay, amazing.

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>> That's perfect. >> That couldn't be better. >> And then I have an extra extra cool plan that I want to accomplish, but um where we host a Shark Tank situation where people pitch art projects and then they can win money uh as part of this

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networking thing. But that's different. That's just in my head. So, we'll see. >> That's what the uh the like business plan competition, right, that the like uh community development corporation does. >> Yeah. But what if it was about art?

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>> But what if it was about art? No, 100%. >> I love it. I love the idea of like I wish we could raise money and fund that like for regranting kind of thing, which we can give money to be given. We learned that last year.

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Awesome. Any other cool arts news to just shout out things that are happening? Anybody go see anything cool? >> Yeah, I love >> boosters. >> I love Boosters. Have you guys seen the

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movie yet? >> No. >> It's so good. It's the new movie from the guy who made Sorry to Bother You and it >> local tie is that Toonards made the music and me and Bella lived in their

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room at Smith and also from Rattleboro. Um, and it's not >> very cool. That's great. Cranky Vest was awesome. >> Cranky Vest was awesome.

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Good. All right. Well, um, thank you guys. I'd like to, um, make a motion to adjourn the meeting. Um, >> sorry, just before we do that, what So, do we want to meet >> Angel?

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>> Schedule next meeting. Sorry, I skipped something on the agenda. Yes, we had kind of been coming up with this cadence of what the first Monday of the month, but it's July 4th. Like we're butdding up against July 4th, so I want to be

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mindful of that if anybody's going away or doing anything like that. Um I will be in town actually. >> I guess I'll just also know. So, I'm I'm happy to meet or if we or we could say like we'll hold off on July and then

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reconvene in August once we have the the date. >> I actually have it on July 6th in my phone. I think we said we did set the date as the first Monday of the month. >> Yeah. Um if we did meet, I think what

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would be cool is to talk about we wanted to do some sort of like reception for our for our grantees. Is that still something we're interested in doing? Just want to make sure that idea doesn't get swept away. Remember talking

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>> or Yeah. Like I guess if Bella if you know more about that art summit thing by then then maybe that could be like a session to kind of plan for it like the the GLC like component. >> Yeah. I'm more interested in planning a

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networking event that's also the kickoff to the grant than a reception for who gets it. I don't know. >> Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah, exactly. We invite all the people that got it last year, right? To come. >> Yeah, that'd be cool. >> As a networking event and and it's open

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to the public, too, of course. So, that would be the reason, I think, to meet in July for sure. >> Good call. Yeah, >> because that will just sneak up on us quickly. Um, so why don't we keep the July 6th date. Um, and there was a request last time to have these in person. So, let's try to make sure that

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it's definitely a hybrid meeting so that we can all gather together, >> which would be great. Are we comfortable moving into a German? >> Yes, >> I think that everybody did we did a great job with this conversation. Ed, thanks for all your feedback, too. It

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was really good. And um that we didn't have Susan, so we we did this on our own. We did a great job. Uh, can I get a motion to adjurnn? >> So moved. >> Okay, Marcel, thanks. Second. >> Second.

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>> Yes. Thank you. All those in favor of adjourning, please say I. >> I. >> Okay, great. So, it's unanimous. Thank you guys. It's good to see everybody and good work on this survey. Um, Bella, I'll share this with you tonight. This list of distribution. Okay. Thanks

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everybody. >> Take care. Bye-bye.

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So this meeting is being recorded by us the parking traffic commission. If anyone other person present is doing the same you must notify the chairperson at that time. That's me. Um roll call of members. So I Sebastian Goohamm here.

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Mike you want to go? >> Michael Mullen here. >> Chall here. >> Great. Thank you. Um any public comment? I mean, I think so. >> He's on the agenda. Do you want to

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comment? >> If you're on the If you're on the agenda, then we'll then we wait till we get to the agenda. Is that all right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, approve the meeting minutes from April 28th.

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>> I move that we approve the meeting meeting minutes. >> Second the motion. >> All right. Um, any discussion? Nope. >> Uh, all in favor? >> I >> I

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>> And I Sebastian Goodwin as well. Great. Thank you, Mike, for doing that. >> Um, okay. New business. Open meeting law complaint filed against the committee. Um,

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no. The only thing that I have is that I will post the agenda on Thursdays before the Tuesday meetings by the end of the day and I will make no changes unless they're an emergency.

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>> Okay. So I I I am in agreement with that policy. Um >> that's about all we can do. >> Yes. M Michael and Jean, are you in agreement with that policy? >> Of course.

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>> Okay. So, um is Stephanie here? >> No. >> Okay. So, we can't really um resolve that with her. But if we

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uh if you send an will someone Judy will you send an email to her with saying that we uh agreed to that because I think that's what she was asking for, right? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. Send one to her and the open meeting law to let them know.

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>> Okay. Well, that sounds great. Um do do we need a vote on this? >> Why not? >> Why not? Very good. it up. >> So, um, does someone want to make a proposal? I

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always forget if I can do that or not. >> I can try to put forth a proposal. Um, motion to adopt a policy of not making amendments to the meeting agenda

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>> which will be posted on Thursday for a Tuesday meeting. Well, so put we put a hours on that. >> Well, so it's 24 hours. Yeah. So it's 24 hours. 24 business. >> How does it work?

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follow we'll follow the regulations of 48 hour 48 business day hours prior to the meeting >> and I second that motion. All in favor? >> All in favor?

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>> Gina, vote yes. >> Sebastian, vote yes. >> Michael Mullen voting yes. >> Okay. >> Great. Um, all right. Um item do we want to move uh Isaac Mass's

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>> Um for those of you who don't know me, my name is Isaac Mass. I own the garden block and uh I'm here primarily on behalf of my tenant. Um but I he has a concern and it is one

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that I think is only going to get exacerbated when there is more residential parking downtown. So um Dan Deine did send me from Brad's place did send me this text message saying I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to be at the meeting tonight. Um he did want to

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be here and would come to a future one if you invited him. Um but he said he asked if I could let you know that there are vehicles parking in front all day daily that they wait out there and the

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whole waiting out on front in Friday afternoons and parking through till Monday. So essentially yeah >> they wait for the parking enforcement to be done and for a spot to open. They they stand out there waiting for a spot to open on Friday afternoon and then

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move their cars in front of his business and then they they're there all weekend. And uh then he says then just coming out at 8 and feeding the meter. They feed the meter during the day. So they'll come out there and feed the meter Monday

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through Friday. And he says he's been here just shy of 40 years and it's the worst it has ever been. Um, he'd like to see no overnight parking, which I think I would agree with that. And he says part of the blame is on the parking commission for overselling the garage

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something that could be handled by law enforcement at like 3:00 in the morning when they when it's relatively quiet, you know, after they finished with their OUIs, you know, they've got them booked and done and they're still out and about waiting for the early morning, they can

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do it. Dan opens up at between 6:00 and 7 in the morning and his customers start to come in there at that time and a lot of them have to are elderly and have to walk quite a distance to get there. So that's the issue. It's really the first five or six parking spots from the

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corner from Bank Row down Main Street. Um, I would also say it's somewhat problematic that we are the only only section of Main Street that has does not have vertical parking. If we had vertical parking, we'd have

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about a third more seats. The what I understand the reason for that is that the road is not wide enough for vertical parking because of the bumpout. But I will tell you, I for one would be very glad for that bumpout to disappear because it's all never maintained. It's

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eyesore. It is filled with weeds. You can go out there now and it's filled with weeds. No one takes care of it. And >> and you can't spray weed killer on. >> Yeah. And the purpose of the island is that it's tra it's supposed to be

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traffic calming. Um, but vertical parking is also traffic calming because it's you're what you're doing is you're narrowing the roadway. That's why the purpose of of those obstructions. Um, the parking on the island on the other

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side of Main Street, the opposite in front of mine is a regular doicile for people who are panhandling. And um while you can't regulate panhandling if you

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don't create a place for it, if you're you'll have less of that as well. So, >> but remember they're redoing Main Street and making it all parallel park. >> Yeah, I would hope that you would recommend against that, especially when you consider that this problem that

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we're having in front of the garden is going to be a problem in front of all of the rest of Main Street. Once you do that as and they put above park housing above Wilson's and they put housing on they're putting the the additional homeless shelter which that's not as

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much of a parking issue but the housing above Wilson's definitely all those people are going to have a parking need and um they're going to end up parking on on Main Street and all of those businesses are going to then have that problem. >> Isaac, is it is it currently twohour? Is

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there a two-hour limit on that? I remember you coming in and asking maybe to get rid of the two-hour limit in front of the theater. >> Yeah, I I three hours is generally enough for us, but that's not the issue. The issue isn't that people are parking there too long. They It's their overnight parking. They're parking there

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non-stop, >> right? But which so I mean the overnight parking thing I think I don't know how that is is normally enforced whether it's like no parking overnight means no parking from 3 to 4 or something like that, right? because otherwise it's hard to enforce. But um

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>> I think you could put no parking from 1:00 a.m. till 5:00 a.m. and that would solve the problem. >> Yeah. But but you might as well put it from So I feel like there's this whole thing about like um if if someone's at a bar or whatever,

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they're you don't want them >> Well, all the bars are out by 1:00 a.m., >> right? So, >> and and while there is a bar on that end, um the barristen it it's hasn't been open for four for since the pandemic. >> Yeah, >> I know that they might be opening, but

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>> anyway, the I don't I don't know. I don't know how the no overnight is enforced currently as far as the >> like you said, right? >> It' have to be the police officers citing people. >> Yeah. But what the does anyone know the actual legal

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cuz there are other places where you have said no overnight parking. I just wonder how we have phrased that right when when the police is a how the police are able to enforce that. >> Well, they there's no overnight parking in any of the parking lots except the

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one uh the furthest one out of town. >> Yeah. I I'm just trying to figure out how we how it's phrased to be enforceable. All all the all the police officers have the ability to do parking enforcement. It's primarily done by our parking enforcement agents, but every

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police officer has the authority to do noncriminal disposition, including parking. >> Yeah. So, I'm just wondering like if if if it's midnight and you're the car parked there, is that considered overnight? Is it like if it's parked in there at at 4 in the morning, is that considered overnight? Like, and it

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wasn't there at, you know, at night? I would think I would think 4 in the morning would be an overnight parking. It's it's it's >> I think from 1:00 a.m. to to 5:00 a.m. >> is are the key hours. >> Yeah. So, we've had we've had people

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complain about like the bakeries >> to like have people come in really early to start baking and then have having that be a problem for them. I I don't think there are so employees shouldn't be parking on Main Street. Anyhow,

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>> I agree with that on Main Street. I'm just trying to figure out the enforcement on the other ones, right? So, I'm just trying to think what like what's the if we said between three and four that would give the police a time to do it, right? You don't need to we don't need force. It does the

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enforcement doesn't have to happen all the time. It just there has to be a window in which it can happen so that people stop doing it. I I would urge you to have a wide wide air time because law my experience is law enforcement

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needs some flexibility of when they can respond. They may not be able to respond in that one hour. If there's really not much reason for anyone to be parked on Main Street between 1:00 a.m. and

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5 a.m. >> Well, there is there there's the people who live up up above those. >> Those are exactly the problem. The people who it's not residential parking. It's supposed to be parking for for the the commercial district. It's not supposed to be residential parking. In

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fact, >> during the dayur during the day, I think that's true. overnight. I don't think that's true. So the question is how do you >> I do think it's true because they they all have parking that is provided to them by their landlord that is that is

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that they have a space for that they can park they choose to park on Main Street overnight. Okay. So, um anyway, the if you know if uh if that section of

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street was was a 2-hour limit, right, during the week, that wouldn't So, so we have we have a number of problems, right? One, the weekly parking during the week when we have parking enforcement. Does is there a two-hour limit in that section? I

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>> I would have to look and see what it is. I >> Okay. Right. >> Frankly, it doesn't matter because they come in and feed the meters. >> Yeah. Yeah. But that if if that's the case, then then we need to instruct the parking enforcement officers to to uh

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enforce a 2-hour limit, right? >> Which would solve that during the week. I I I will tell you I will advocate for at least a three-hour limit because >> movies regularly go over two go over two hours >> and patrons and and while this time I'm

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about to go into um a period of time where we are open all summer long we're open from 11:30 a.m. till 12:30 p.m. We're open all day. So, someone who wants to see a movie for a 2 and 1 half

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hour movie does not want to feed their meter, much less be fine for if they do feed their meter, >> right? >> I mean, I'll probably make my usual recommendation that probably a part of the problem here is that the price is

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just too low. Like, we're it's so easy to feed the meter. Well, there >> we probably if we had a larger like I I'm I I mean I'm generally advocating for like we probably should be considering longer parking times and maybe getting back into having Saturday

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being metered or things like that. If we think it's like a valuable downtown place and people want to be there and the parking is valuable then kind of I'm like well pay for it. >> I'm not arguing over what prices of the meters are. That's >> Yeah. Yeah. But that that would help reg like as a regulating factor if we're

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looking at this as a long-term how do we manage especially with residential and additional people coming downtown. I I feel like the we are kind of like arguing over like the menu selection, but like I'm like we're going to be short on supply at certain times if like the prices aren't right, whatever we're we're kind of

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doing, which is Yeah. And >> and if we make parking tickets expensive, too, >> which would also be another another element. I understand that there's an enforcement gap anyway. Whatever. Like that some people are going to get away with it. and how much do we want to

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spend on enforcement versus all other needs. But I just find that I drive around a bit like today I parked multiple places downtown and never had to pay because there was already an hour in the meter or down whatever that like amount of frivolous like pocketing in

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is. It's like I think it there's probably reason that like if you could afford to own a car then you probably can pay a little bit more in the meters. Like if you're putting gas into it these days, then that's probably not the part that's messing you up. But it does it might start modifying behavior a little

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bit more in the ways that at least just make it where we're having to do less of this type of negotiating that just doesn't it doesn't seem super productive. >> So I think so we so we we have the the mechanism we currently have in the during the weekday to prevent this kind

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of thing is a two-hour limit, right? >> They are twoour weeks. They are two hour along that and which is currently I don't know if that's currently in force. I know that um it would require Yeah. Um so

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so I think that for for Brad's place right the two-hour limit seems like a would be a good limit for them. I understand Isaac that you >> during the week. Yeah. Yeah. During the week certainly they would be fine with that. >> They would be fine with that. So that seems that seems reasonable. the o over overnight would help would prevent

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people from being there, you know, the entire day on Saturday and Sunday, right? Because it's just a hassle for them to be able to >> that's the biggest issue is Saturday from Friday night till till Monday morning. >> Yeah. So, and I think in the past there has been a thing on Main Street to have

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it not be overnight and I don't even know if that's that might still be the case that on street parking is not overnight. >> I thought it was the case. There's no signage to that effect if that's true. >> And we were just looking at overnight parking in lots and I don't recall

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seeing anything. >> There was definitely places lots that that that were overnight parking is not allowable. >> Yeah, I just don't remember seeing an ordinance about street parking that on that >> I could be wrong, but I >> don't think I saw when we were looking

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at that. Um so so if it if it is already in already an ordinance and we just need signage and enforcement then that's that's another thing right. Um so in which case thank thank you Isaac for bringing that to us because that

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will help us that um if that's not the case then we need to you know I I think this is I think you're exactly right that the the the the spots on the street are meant for turnover. what however it is that we are enforcing that turnover to make sure

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that happens right that's the reason we have the meters on the on the street in the first place um we need to figure out how to make that happen um and this is just one example and I know that usually two hours is enough for a movie

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is not quite enough but you know >> I generally tell people if they get a ticket bring it to me and I'll take care of it >> okay yeah >> usually parking scammed >> yes That's not in the summertime. >> And I I also think like the two-hour

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thing like if you if you park by the time there's you have to the the the park enforcement officer would have to hit it like perfectly for you to actually get a ticket, right? But >> you have to know when the movies got out. >> Yeah. The Odyssey is about three three

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and almost three and a half hours. >> Oh my god. >> So people will be feeding the meter for that or taking the risk and getting the parking. Yeah. >> Um, okay. So, >> well,

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since we just make recommendations anyway, >> Yeah. >> should should we ask the mayor to consider making downtown no parking overnight? >> This is not This is not as if

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>> again, I just want to be clear. I'm not talking about all of downtown. I'm just talking >> that that that section um the section that is north of of um bank row. >> Yeah.

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>> On the right hand side >> we need to make we need to make the policies as uh universal and clear as possible. Right. So as soon as we start like sectioning things out it can get confusing for people. >> Well I I would suggest that there are varying needs at varying locations along

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Main Street. They're actually very different usage like even blockto block but um so but you you can understand why if if we want to make uh have as few carveouts as possible right

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um so uh >> is there an elegant solution >> for that yeah possibly elegant solution that annoys a lot of So, we want to >> I think we're we're always annoying someone.

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>> Yeah. >> We can't change those parking meters to three hours. >> I certainly understand that. >> I thought they >> Is that true? Is that okay? Because >> I think they can't

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>> those those things you put money in. >> Yeah. I was told at some point that they could not change them from two to three hours. >> I think that's true. They'd have to rec they'd have to redo the entire meter.

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>> Oh, yeah. Right. And there are right now >> and there are parts available, you know, etc., etc. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And we are planning on putting those kiosks back downtown. >> Yeah. Parking enforcement generally work

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for when it comes to the movies. Parking enforcement generally works with people and and they're they're walking by all the time. They know what's going on. The and people who get tickets when they're in a movie, I I've yet to hear anyone who has actually had to pay a ticket.

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Like if they let people know that they were generally the police department will take care of that ticket and if not I would take care of it. >> Okay. So I think um so for the weekday

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enforcing the two-hour limit, you know, uh in that in that section in particular, right, but probably everywhere, right? Um uh Mike, I think Michael, I I'm not opposed to your idea. I think it was a

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mayor who made sad. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a systemic kind of question about we've kind of talked about getting I mean and some of this is a little bit on the agenda tonight anyway of like our overall parking revenue versus right

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>> cost and looks like we tend to be running like a few grand under every year. So maybe it would be good to get that a little bit a little bit closer to being in the green if we're giving 10% to the parking benefits anyway. Like I just it seems like we should be running

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like it should be like a safe return >> but parking is what people get mad about. >> People are >> well very mad. >> I I tell you I don't hear anyone and I have a lot of people they all come in and talk to me about the meters. I haven't

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ever heard anyone complain about the price of parking. >> They complain about the availability and having to feed the meter. But no one has ever complained about the price of parking. >> Right. I mean, if I didn't have if again, if I'm going to see a movie that's already very reasonably priced,

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thank you. Um, and this small marginal amount to kind of have a spot and to know that it's there. Like I have a father-in-law who has half a foot, refuses to get a handicap placard because he's my father-in-law. Um, and so there if the price is high enough, there

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will be a space right up front where he wants almost like it's kind of like that's the the right price is the spot where there's almost always a little bit of turnover. And >> maybe that means people just park less in the street and so they'll go other places to park. I I understand that that does happen like in Northampton where

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they actually have to add more meters into their network because they start bumping people out into neighborhoods, but I guess like that's like a if we're at that place, we'll deal with that problem, but I just don't think I don't think that's the problem that we have. >> For right now, it's not a problem. >> It's not a problem. Yeah. I think like I

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mean at maybe a different level. It's just like we tend to I think we like to value our downtown, but it seems weird that we then sort of like take a bit of real estate and say like it's worthless or virtually worthless or it has to be free. That just sort of something about that also just seems a little odd where

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I'm like you care about it and you think this is worthwhile like I don't know how to put it. If I make some really cool piece of jewelry like that I bought from my kid who I thought was selling not my child but neighborhood child thought was selling lemonade wasn't selling lemonade. It's a little disappointed about the lemonade. Sold the same thing

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for me for $4. If she said like, "Mom, it's like it's not that good. It's 50 cents." Like, I don't know. Is that good for her or bad for her? What should what should she be? You know, it should be something that's I guess worth her time and like anyway. Anyway, and so that's another way of putting it, but if I'm trying to be persuasive,

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I'll leave it there. So, so I I think if my my metric on this is if if we are having if on Saturdays businesses are complaining about not having spots in front of their businesses,

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that to me tells me that we need to be having enforcement and and parking on the street um and and payment on the on the street parking, right? So I think that that that would be the determining factor to me whether or not we change the pricing

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and and we use the the pricing to do that. I think >> just enforcement and the the So I think keeping the parking prices low fairly low is okay if the threat of enforcement if we're keeping the turnover going, right? So ideally there would be parking

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because there's the turnover is happening fast enough, right? that it's keeping up. Um that the there's spots opening up that are relatively close. Um and in order to do that, we need enforcement and a and a time limit

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on on the main street parking. So, and so I think um but and what you're describing, Isaac, um some of that is that they're on Fridays, they're just trying to get that spot.

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They they sit out and watch for it to open up and they'll move their car into it and it will sit there all weekend, >> right? So, they're like, "Okay, I'm just claiming my spot and then they have their spot >> and there's there's three or four that do it that we had when I first bought

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the building, there was a a there was one person who did it regularly and the guy had a purple heart plate and we like what were we going to do?" So we we worked with the veterans agent to create a Purple Heart space and that was at a better location and we haven't had that

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problem since. But in the last in the last year especially there's like word has gotten out and three or four different people park in front all weekend long. >> So they might leave during the weekend

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and come back but but they're there all weekend. >> Yeah. So, the overnight parking either creating overnight parking, no overnight parking on Main Street, which I think is what we've wanted to do in the past anyway, cuz there are there are a number of times when they want

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they want to bag meters or something to um to to do work or whatever it is. Um and so, and we need the we need the no overnight parking in order for that to happen, right? >> Yeah. I've had that problem for the last few weeks as we've been doing deliveries.

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>> Yeah. >> All the even when we put bags out, people parked in them. Yeah. So, >> right. And so that's that's an enforcement problem, that particular thing. But so I think we should look and see what the regulations are around overnight parking on Main Street. If

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it's if um if they're not, then I think we should, you know, put it on our agenda for next ne next meeting saying, you know, adding overnight parking to Main Street to see if we get any responses when people can come and talk to give us

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reasons why they feel like that should not be the case. Um, and if that is the case, then maybe and maybe we should start having enforcement happen. Um, for that >> I really don't I really don't think it's

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a good idea to just do that one block. >> Yeah, >> it's I think it's better to do all of Main Street. >> You can do anything you want. I just want to be clear that I was only talking about that one block because I know other business owners may have different points of view >> for their areas.

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>> But that's fine. They can come tell us. >> Yeah. >> And I think I think we'd be looking at the the the metered areas, right? >> Yeah. >> For this >> because it's easier to just do a blanket >> than a one block area.

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>> Sure. >> Yeah. and and no one's going to mention your name in the in conjunction with it. >> I I get t my name gets taken in vain all the time. >> You're right here in a minute. So >> um do we want to at least pass I mean

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just for clarity sake a motion to ensure that the uh two-hour limit as it exists is being enforced for this meeting and um we can kind of punt if we want to have a further discussion about the >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I think there's three things going on here, right? One, the

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2-hour um the during the weekday, the 2-hour uh limit is being enforced in in front of Brad's place. >> Motion to ensure the existing 2-hour limit is being enforced

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>> in front of Brad's place. Mhm. >> Now, that's going to interfere with your critical. >> Yeah, it it's essentially the first four or five spaces. There's not much of a There's not much turnover between when Dan is open and when I open. He's open.

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He closes at latest at 2 each day and we open at noon. So, I I I don't really worry about it. >> Yeah. And then um >> and then so that'd be one proposal, one motion. So um

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>> do you want to >> let's say uh can I put forth a motion to ensure that the 208 uh to ask parking enforcement to ensure that the existing 2-hour limit is being enforced in front of place. >> Right.

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Um, and then I think we will we should say if I think there should be a motion if the if no overnight parking is currently

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a um rule. What what's the word I'm looking for? It's currently a a rule. Then uh on Main Street then that should also be enforced. >> Well, do how are we

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>> and then address the fact that there should be a >> then if not we should put it on the agenda for next month and and have a conversation about it. So I think it's pretty easy to say let's enforce the current the current um law.

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If if we want to change the law then I think that uh involves further discussion >> because there might be reasons that that law is the way it is, >> right? >> So, I don't put that in writing. >> Well, let's let let's just let's just

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punt it till next month then. >> Judy, will will you see if you can find out what the current rules are around overnight parking on Main Street? >> Yes. >> Great. I can't find it right now, but I

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do have it so I can look that up. >> Great. Yep. >> And you can put the word out that we'll be talking about. >> I'll I'll let Dan know. >> Thank you all so much. And I appreciate your service. I know that this is sort

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of a thankless task, but really you're doing a lot of good things. So, thank you. >> Well, thank you. Thank you for thanking us. It's no longer thankless. Thank you. >> Uh I don't we did a motion on that. Did we get a vote to pass that motion?

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>> Motion one motion to ensure that parking enforcement the existing >> we did not >> parking enforcement enforce the existing two-hour limit. >> Yeah. Great. Uh >> uh I vote yes. >> Yes. >> I vote yes. pass unanimously. Thank you.

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>> I found the email that I got from the owner of the DA's office >> since they're not here, but that's the most information I have at this point with no one here to speak on their behalf. >> Well, I don't see how we can discuss

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having more spaces reserved in the parking garage when we've oversold permits. Yes, I think you can >> I mean I just don't think you can do that. >> I don't think we can do that. >> So >> I think I think you said we the parking

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spaces are not available. >> I think that >> according to our assessment the parking spaces are not available. >> Right. And I think that uh he can go talk to the mayor if he feels differently. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. I am even if it were I'm a little partial to anything other than our general public channels for procuring spaces if that makes sense. like >> Mhm. >> I don't know if I just don't know if it's the best idea for us to be like sort of like >> Well, we've we've we've already

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discussed this since you've been on the parking. >> Yeah. I I would be curious to hear from him >> whether his employees are finding that they're not able to find spots in the parking garage, which I think would be very good information for us.

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>> Yes. from his email. They right now they have spots at the art space which is down Bank Row. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Around the corner and they don't like to walk those two blocks and pass under the railroad tracks especially if it's dark.

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>> So they have safety concerns. >> Okay. And so they want something closer for to improve convenience and safety.

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>> So is the are they my question to them would be is a normal permit not enough, >> right? >> Because in theory if they have a normal permit they should be guaranteed a spot in the in the parking garage, right?

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or in adjacent. >> And can they park behind city hall or are those only for city hall employees? >> Those are it's the only >> Yeah, I think that lot though is kind of >> some of it's only 15 or 30 minute parking and then the other parking

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that's longer term is >> No. Yeah. >> I mean, I just don't see how we could do anything other than say buy a permit. Yeah. So, so it sounds like they they

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want to switch where they are parking to a different place and they're looking for and I think we say sure we can secure 25 to 30 parking spaces for you as permits, right? Not as dedicated spaces.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. >> I know that's not what he's asking for. But we've kind of clarified that those are only guaranteed in so far as they're available. >> There's nothing to do for that person if there's not a spot there in that moment. Um

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>> and since we don't well we do sell permits for the garage, don't we? Only >> they're monthly and we we have sold more than spaces we have, >> right? >> And so at some point we should recommend

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that we quit selling spaces. always >> or charge more. Yeah. I don't know if like I mean the way it's like if I buy a gym membership, it doesn't mean that there's always a treadmill for me >> like Yeah. There's a little bit of like it's just

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>> Well, it's going Yeah. >> This is just a flavor. This is what it's going to be like when they develop the parking lot down here across from Poke and Olive and Wilson's and the other I mean, it's going to be a nightmare.

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But for right now, >> yeah, >> it's not. But we're not giving away parking places that are reserved as far. I mean, I would not vote for that. >> I agree with that. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. So, I think that's pretty clear. I

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think we would say um we are not in favor of creating dedicated spaces. Um >> do I make a motion? >> Yeah. motion not to create dedicated parking spaces

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or a lot >> that's the in the garage. >> Um yeah, do I mean yeah, we we could be diplomatic about it and say, "Well, we appreciate the the work that the

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district attorney's office does and we understand their concerns about walking from art space." Um we can we do not feel like we can dedicate 25 to 30 parking spaces for them at the for them.

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>> Well, we don't dedicate them for the people that buy permanent spaces that live there. >> Yeah. >> I mean, so we certainly can't do it for them. >> Yeah. >> There's the courthouse. They haven't seen >> Yeah. I mean, this is going to be a

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nightmare. >> And then everybody's gonna say, "We told you not to sell that parking lot." >> I mean, they're going to say like, "You just fell in for the wrong price." It's just like you have you have low supply,

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increase your price, demand will equilibriate, we'll be okay. >> I mean, there there are still a lot of spaces over at uh >> we know there's spaces like in the area. >> Yeah. Yeah, but I I mean the other part of this is that

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mar like me today having getting to park in front of buildings that already had places paid for is will be more encouraged to go the extra block or two. >> Yeah. You know, >> like you do in a city >> like you do like you do when you know, oh, it's very expensive here and so I'm

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not going to pay that. I'm going to go the two blocks over to the municipal lot that's like kind of around the corner. But like >> this usually tends to be what what happened. I mean, I just think it makes it Anyway, I I have my sympathies in a certain direction here.

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>> And you're right. I mean, I lived in the DC area for 21 years. That's what you do. You walk. >> Yeah. And you should And it's a great place to walk. >> Yes, it is. >> I mean, the rain sucks, but the rain always sucks. >> I think I think the also like currently

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it's not it's not horrible. So, I think we deal with that when it's horrible. I do too. I mean, >> but I do understand Brad's place because there are a lot of old people that go there for breakfast. >> So, I do get that.

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>> And and right now it seems like we're just not enforcing. We have a system set up for that will work for Brad's Place. We're not currently enforcing it. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Except for the Saturday and Sunday. >> Except for the Saturday and Sunday. Yeah. So

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>> maybe we could put no no overnight parking on weekends. >> Yeah. I don't know. I Yeah. >> I mean, I don't know. I just think we need to have people kind of tell us what they think. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. Mo motion not to allow dedicated parking spaces uh to the owners of 56 bankro >> or to the parking period >> to to them in in any place anywhere.

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>> No, that we're not going to allocate places in the parking garage to anyone. >> Uhhuh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's even more diplomatic. That's just open for the whole world. Well, the creator of a lot parking spaces um in the parking garage

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or >> can of worms in every place >> for specific um for >> Yeah. >> specific our policy does not have dedicated parking spaces only have permits. >> Yeah. Cuz if I lived in those apartments

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where I'm they bought me a space, I would be really bad if the district attorney got it and we wouldn't give them one. >> Yeah. So maybe just motion to maintain our current permitting system and not adopt

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allocated parking. >> Yeah. So are we are we we're just doing a response to them, right? >> Right. Um I've I've now erased everything I have. So,

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>> I think what we should say is our policy is to um is not to have dedicated spots. That's true, right? We don't have just before we say this, we don't have any dedicated spots in the the garage, right? >> That is correct. >> Okay. >> Outside of

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. So, our our policy our policy is not to sell dedicated dedicated parking spaces in the parking garage. Um uh if if if permits will not work for them, we would

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love to know why so that we can understand um the issues with the with our current system. >> Very nice. You're the most polite chairman I know in Greenfield.

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>> I will send him a very nice word if >> Okay. >> Thank you. All right. I still think I lost some of that. It's not going to have the eloquence of Sebastian motion to maintain current policy of not selling. >> We don't need

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>> We don't need a motion. Is that what we're saying? All right. >> I don't think this is just a response. >> Even easier. Okay. Yeah. >> Do you get paid extra for coming here or get time off for coming here? >> I do. Yes. >> Good. Because I feel badly that you have

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to come at six o'clock. leave early a day or come later. >> Uh, next item on the agenda. Do we want to talk about costs? I have a I don't remember if that got shared with everyone, but I do have something from the treasurer's office.

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>> Oh, I don't Did I see it? Let's see. Sure. This month has been wild for me. And I think I asked Jen, but I don't remember if I did the thing I said I was going to do.

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>> Share it. >> You want to just forward it to us? >> Yes. Let me do that. And then rather than try to share my screen with everyone. Okay. But everyone can look at my screen if you're here.

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>> Forward it to me. Got it. >> Let's see what that does. No, I just have my monthly credit score highlights. See, >> there we go. Perfect. >> Here it comes. >> Oh, yeah. I have this delay thing so that I don't accidentally send something

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and then realize it. pretty good. >> It's I one of these days I'm going to appreciate it, but I probably put it on after making a mistake once and honestly that was probably enough of a burn to stop me from ever doing it again. >> Let's see. Um I'm not Is there supposed

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to be a >> There is an attachment. Did the attachment not come? >> I didn't get it. >> Did you get you got attachment, Judy? >> I did. And I did not >> you have to um the chat here.

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>> I don't know. >> Am I right? >> No, I don't. >> You have to >> open up all the emails. >> I think maybe Judy cuz you were sent it originally. >> No, I just got it. >> Okay.

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>> You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to do one more thing just to make sure that this happens. >> Yes. >> Try one more time. >> After a 15 second delay, I just downloaded it and attached it to a brand new email.

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>> Okay, great. Yeah, sometimes when you forward things I don't think I' Yeah, the file is in the computer. Um, delay is more than 15 seconds. Well, then it has to bounce around.

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There we go. >> I've got a spreadsheet. Nice. >> Yes. >> Great. Okay. >> It's a spreadsheet. I don't know if I have any much of a This was just I think after

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our meeting last time I think I just followed up with Jennifer and said to the extent that you think you can capture some expenses I don't like so there's there's some things in here that are capex like a resurfacing

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um and it's just sort of what's happened um I don't think I heard anything in terms of like a projection for capex. So I I don't know if I would say like hey your last five years are representative or non-representative but they are it is a

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um so parking tickets are an expense. Do we like how does that work? >> There I feel like there was an there's a note in the original email maybe on that. >> Okay. I can tell you exactly.

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>> You know what that means? They're like it cost money to collect them, right? Or something. >> We do get bills from passport every month. >> Okay. >> Three separate one. Yeah, it's kind of that's kind of crazy

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that the the cost of the parking tickets is the same as the parking enforcement officer. >> Very. >> Yeah. She says, "For clarification, the parking ticket expense is regarding the material spent to collect delinquent unpaid tickets."

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>> And I didn't ask for any further clarification. I could just read those words to you. So, so do we like do we get a collection agency or something? >> Um, Passport does send out generate

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letters when >> Okay. >> They're late. >> Okay. >> That be it'd be curious to see what the how much they how much uh Yeah. Anyway, that sounds like an interesting

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system. I'd love to dig into it sometime, but probably not right now. >> Yeah, it's there's a student somewhere who's looking for like a really fun >> Yeah. It's like, wait a minute. How does that work? How do you Is it Do they cap it out the price of the ticket that they that you can give them or can it be more

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than that? Right. >> I can pull out the invoices I get from the office. They're not attached here unfortunately. >> And send some to you. send some samples and you can see what the >> I don't really look at them that

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closely. I just pay them. >> Right. >> That makes perfect sense to me. >> You know what? It's ridiculous though that we're losing so much money on the parking garage. >> Yep. Some of it's for sending out the letters.

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>> I know. But I'm just saying that we're not that we're not charging it. All of the freebies, the lunch, the >> first hour free and all that stuff's gonna have to go >> if if we care. I mean

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>> or like or maybe >> Yeah. >> maybe like the other other metering and high demand spaces could actually make up that gap. And if we see the parking garage as like a >> we're encou we want we're kind of we

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want more volume in the garage. So like I I guess I mean I'm partial to getting rid of it. You don't have to tell >> I'm like yeah Jean did like >> there there was an issue uh and I think it's still kind of an issue where people did not want to park in the parking

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garage. >> That is correct. >> Right. And so and there there was a lot of empty space in the parking garage. >> So the first hour free was a way to get people to be like okay I could actually park there. But now we got people with the teaser rate, you know.

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>> Yeah. So I guess that's the question. At some point if the parking lot is becoming overcrowded, then yes, the first hour free is not the right policy. >> And the free at lunch, too. It's free at lunch. >> Yeah. If you get your first hour free,

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you actually have four hours. >> Yeah. >> And and some of that is just like, oh, it's annoying to deal with the system, right? There's there's the money. I feel like for me the 50 cents or whatever is

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the less lesser cost of just like oh what wait I app or which app is it wait the do I have coins like all that kind of like >> friction right that's that's a greater cost of these things

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um which the free gets rid of that cost as well Yes, >> but at a high level at least over a few years it looks like we're like right is the gain loss in total

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if if if that if I'm reading that right is like -40,000 or so >> 47,000 >> like oh okay she did does she do it for the is that what that last column is that doesn't have anything above it is that how you that one this is Oh, I

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didn't get over that. >> Yeah. Like is that kind of bread is like you're okay. We had one year where we came in over, but we've also had a few years where we've come in kind of under, >> right? She's got all the years and then the column with nothing is just the totals of all the >> Oh, okay. You know what? There's a sum

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function here. So, >> yeah, I think so. >> Looking at the numbers going across. >> Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's exact. So, >> but this year we're way under. >> Yeah. I mean, but I'll at least qualify like it's not all the way in yet from when this was,

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>> but we've started giving the lunch hour free, too, remember? So, >> yeah. Yeah. I I'm I'm I'm open to like letting the numbers shake out over a few months just to see. But I think there's a trend that doesn't that we'd like to kind of move that trend in the other direction. >> And the mayor

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>> wants more money. >> No, we need Yeah, we're everyone's got a cut. Everyone took a haircut. I'm pretty sure no one didn't take a haircut. So, I think I just think that we're more of a more of a fee for service thing than like

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PD or fire department or schools where if anyone's running in the green, I feel like it should just like I feel like that's a little bit of our duty or something to >> um >> So, when's the best time to change

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rates? when they when we sell the permits >> which is January 1. >> I mean do we have to answer that question all at once? >> You mean rates for permits versus rates

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for effort hourly? >> Yeah. Well, >> coin meters. >> Yeah. >> Coin meters we can't change. >> Yeah. >> Like we can't change ever. >> They're Oh, I mean they're going away. That's >> they're going away. So, so that's like

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kind of like a a little bit of a burn that bridge when we cross it, but we are getting rid of them looking at what like the next year or so. >> Well, when they redo Main Street because there's no point in putting in new things until they >> There's no point of putting in new meters. Okay. So, that's kind of

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side for now, no matter what. So, then that leaves us with >> that's a little tough because those are the most valuable things. That's like the >> Well, we we can also ju to be clear, we we we don't have to wait till they redo Main Street. If we can get a if we can

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get a kiosk, we could we could get a single kiosk and put it up. We did that in the past, right? Where we get a kiosk, we remove the the meters and a chunk of Main Street and put up a kiosk. >> But remember, if you have to walk to a

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place that is not in the direction you're going, you're mad. That's what we ran into, right? So, we didn't we two kiosks, >> right? >> Maybe. Yeah. >> Like how much of our revenue I know people talk about it, but how how many

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people are just using their phone and making a payment and not even thinking about it, >> right? What what percentage is is >> I don't want to say we like then we have two prices. If you pay with real money, you pay if you feed the coin, you get a lower price. But if you but you do

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because t for you anyway. So like there is a chance where it's like we actually could subtly >> I I think we're better I think we're better off getting rid of the uh first hour free

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in the parking garage if we you know um if we want to do that. >> Yeah we yeah we could consider that. I mean, we don't I don't also don't want to say we have to pour into this all right now, but I I wonder if just like all of this gives us enough information to say like maybe we should think about

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what that is and then maybe make a motion at our next meeting. This is me just going at 7:00. I don't know how long >> yes >> want to go. But I I maybe we could come up with something. I don't know if also maybe the or maybe maybe the mayor's office has

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some thoughts on it. I think that free parking on Saturday and Sunday is about the most that we if we take away free take away free parking Monday through Friday and then make it free on Saturday and Sunday for the farmers

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market. >> The rage will not be as great. >> The sorry the by free parking in the garage. Is that what you're talking about? >> Yeah. Yeah, >> it's free on Saturday and Sunday, right? >> Yeah.

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>> If we took away the free Monday through Friday cuz it's free at night, right? >> Yep. So, we take away the free at night on Monday through Saturday. >> No. >> Oh, >> we take away the free lunch and free

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>> Okay. Yeah. So, you pay during business hours if you park in the parking garage. >> Yep. Yep. Um I think also bringing back Saturday, you know, on street parking

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uh meters, they would wouldn't I don't know how much that would help. >> That was that was the most money they made. I remember that discussion >> because you know back when uh Bill Martin was mayor.

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>> Yeah. >> And Roxan said she was going to take away parking and they made like a hundred,000 on week. I mean they made a lot on weekend. >> Yeah. >> So I think I think and also I think there's a problem

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>> of turnover on weekends on Main Street, right? where people aren't parking necessarily in the in the um lots, right? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> So, >> those those seem to be areas. Do we need

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to get clarification or does everyone might know this other than me of like So, we can't really change the meters themselves directly, >> right? Yeah. And but we would consider making permit changes at like year end,

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not fiscal year end. >> Well, the January the first is when they >> So they're like year. So that would be a year thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So and we tend to just like do it all at once. >> Yeah. >> So I think what we should be doing is, you know, it's it's uh June. We should

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be looking ahead >> so that by the time by the time we get to January, we like put a proposal out. Well, before that, >> what changes we want to make on January 1. >> Right. >> Right. >> That includes

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um any changes to the permit policy um and if there's any changes to the >> price. >> Yeah. What levers could we pull? >> Yeah. And I I think the I think pulling the bringing back paying on the street

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on Saturday and we'd have to justify the reasons for that. um which would be the so there's turnover on the streets of Saturdays. Um and also I think as people move downtown as we're talking about right that will become an issue as we're seeing in front of Brad's place.

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>> Mhm. >> All right. Think um old business. >> Yeah, this should be really quick. Um, you got a DPW got back about Sebastian's Gate. >> Yes, they are. >> They asked me back on May 5th.

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They they asked if we were going to select and fund the gate or if the DPW was covered cost. And I told them that um I would like them to handle it because they know what

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and we would pay for it out of our parking budget, but I have not heard back. Oh, wh here we go. Yes, I have. A work order has been created and the installation will be done when their current insulation as our current

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staffing and schedule allowed. >> Okay, >> that's the last venue on May 19th. Sorry. >> Okay. >> They're moving forward. >> All right. >> Great. >> Is that it? Like this is just a clarifying question. Is that the type of thing that the parking benefit district is that what they mean when they say art

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fund? >> We have parking >> or we just have our own thing. >> We have our own budget. >> Is that park? Is that like supposed Are we supposed to like eventually like get I thought recreation and DPW were supposed to like >> we have to become a parking commission to get control over the money.

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>> I thought we just approved it. or parking benefit district funds. I thought >> that's different than what I have. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Parking itself has a a budget set by the mayor. >> Okay.

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>> You know, for wages for the >> Yeah, I see what you're Yeah. You're talking about that bucket, >> but that the gate can come out of >> but and the parking benefit thing was to benefit >> the town the >> downtown commercial district.

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>> Yes. Yeah. And not not so this is something that's related to parking and safety, right? So it makes sense it would come out of that budget. >> The other things would be like, oh, we want to put in a a you know, flower pots, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, seating for the homeless

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people on the median. >> Yeah. Whatever it is. >> Yeah. I thought I was reading the ordinance on it the other day and it like says like the parking benefit district. >> Okay. And I thought I was reading the ordinance on it the other day and it said something like what it's going to do is like there's 10% of our revenue is

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going to go into this pool and DPW and recreation and someone else are supposed to like submit what they want to do with that and then like they're supposed to bring it to us and we're just supposed to do like an updown vent or something. >> That is my understanding >> which is why I thought Yeah. But I I

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don't really know how that works outside of just >> Right. And and if and if we're not if we're not in the black, then how does that work too, right? So >> I think it's a revenue, not >> but also I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. >> Well, we can't really have profits because we don't we're not a unified

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because we're not a commission, right? Or not a Yeah. >> So anyway, >> again, we have no no power whatsoever. Correct. Okay. So, great. >> A little bit of power to you.

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>> We we we we just uh we just got a gate put up. So, we do obviously we have some power. >> Yeah. >> Power of persuasion. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Well, yeah. Keep us updated, Judy, on that. If you hear anything or if we see it, we'll take a picture.

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>> Uh DPW response to signage request at the south end of Hope Street lot. They did not want to put up a sign because that's I guess a lot of work. But they suggested moving the barriers just closer to the street. So >> just make it harder to park there. And

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that is on their their work order system also to get that done. >> Great. >> Um live way driveway sign. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Um

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uh maybe I should have just shared this picture too. Um >> Oh, right. Okay. So, this is this is uh >> this is the automotive place. >> There is a blind driveway sign and we also saw that there is some there are some shrubs there.

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>> Okay. So, >> I don't know if we can move that sign. I have no clue about the 2A things. I started looking at some speed limit things related to that road and got down a rabbit hole of like reference documents for the state DOT. I'll let you know when I finish reading

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them. Um, but there is that there is a sign that says blind drive ahead or something along those lines. The sign's in pretty bad shape. We could consider moving the sign itself. We also could maybe recommend determining who has the shrubs and whether or not those can or

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should be cut because it as far as angles go, it's one of the worst angles. And just getting that shrub and giving a few more degrees seems to be seems like it would have a meaningful effect. Um I was torn around there. It looks like Jean was also torn around there. Um >> okay,

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>> just based on like I might have at least enough of something to say that there might be a recommendation >> and I did not to it. >> Okay. But there is a sign, existing sign. >> There is a sign, but it's almost far enough ahead that it doesn't seem to be it. It's not clear what it's indicating.

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>> Yeah. Okay. >> If that like if you told me that sign is for another driveway, I wouldn't say absolutely not. But I didn't really see a driveway that made me think that's the blind driveway until you go that must have been it. And then you kind of get

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one I I didn't measure the footage, but um far enough away where you would maybe think that it stopped meaning anything, >> but I would start with the shrubbery. That's that's their >> Okay,

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>> that's on them. >> All right. Um wonder if I could just stop by there and talk to them or something. >> Yeah, we could do it that way. I mean, I could even swing over and look at their cars.

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>> They pull cards there. >> When we leave it up to you. >> All right. I'll I'll mark I'll talk to them about the shrubs. >> And your your family, if you come home with a new car, is going to be very unhappy. >> Oh, I mean, my wife's been nothing but

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uh smitten with my purchases. Let's just say, >> okay, >> I really have good taste in classic machines. You know what I'm saying? >> Any anyone want to buy a 55-year-old motorcycle?

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Anyway, all right. I'll uh let I'll let everyone know if that does. Anyway, next meeting June 23rd. >> That works for me. I just looked at my calendar. >> That's us back on Tuesday. Cool. >> Yep. Alrighty,

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do you want to call in German? >> Uh, yes, I will. I will. Um, all in favor of >> Wait, did we Never mind. I'm sorry. I'm wrong. Go ahead. >> Okay. All in favor of uh joining the

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meeting. >> In favor? >> Yes. >> I'm in favor. Thank Thanks everyone. >> Thank you. Bye-bye.