call this meeting to order. The time is 3:32 p.m. Um, let me read what I have to read. I should have memorized. This meeting is being recorded by the Greenfield UNC
community ad hoc committee. If any other persons present are doing the same, you must notify the chairperson at this time. Um, so first we'll do a roll call of members. We have councelor S. Brown. Present.
Christy Allen. Not present. Larry Thomas present. Um, Reese McGovern >> present. >> Robin Green.
>> Um, and Officer Zoe Smith is not feeling well and unable to make it today, but we still have a quorum. We have four, which is great. And if our guests want to introduce themselves, we can start with you. Sure. Sarah Har, chair of the open use prevention
commission and the volunteer coordinator for the warming center for the city of Greenfield. >> Uh Pamela McBride, Greenfield Public Library. >> Thank you. >> Awesome. Um well, first we will approve
our minutes from um September 11th and October 30th. And I have a motion to approve the minutes. >> Motion to approve. >> And I second. >> Perfect. Any comments or amendments on those minutes?
Okay, seeing none, we'll do a roll call vote because somebody's remote. Um Sarah here present or whatever. I Larry I. Reese I. All right, perfect. The
minutes are approved and then now we'll do public comment. But we don't really have members of the public unless councelor Perry you'd like to share anything on public comment. I guess well if anyone joins later feel free to
let me know. Um and then for now we'll go into announcements. So, first announcement isn't really something that will happen, but something that just did happen, which is that Larry was um honored at the Human
Rights Commission, and that was really sweet. And Sarah gave a beautiful speech as did Zoe. Zoe and so did um Deborah M. That was great. >> Thank you all for showing up for that. I
really appreciate y'all support. That's not something I normally would do. >> We're glad that you did, Larry. >> Not something I would do. I I ran out the door because that's not something I do. But I appreciate it. Thank you.
>> Um, and we have a comment from Wid in the chat just because he's not able to join audio right now, saying that he's at Tire Warehouse with a flat, so maybe in and out. >> Good luck. >> Yes, good luck. All right. Anyone else have something
they want to share that's going on? All right, that's that. Um, so now we can get into our recommendations. And this is,
um, last I told you guys it was 42 slides. Now it's 46. Don't leave me alone with it. It's really like I it can grow forever and then maybe we can reel it back in also. But luckily for Monday, we're literally the only thing on the agenda. So I don't think they're going
to rush us. But also, you know, attention stands and how much people can absorb. So we could reel it in a little as well. Um but I'm going to screen share if that's okay for that. I think I'm since I'm in the Zoom if you want to like make me co-host. I think so then I
can screen share. Also, I don't know why I can't rename myself, but it's embarrassing. Okay, just pretend it doesn't mean that. >> Um, oh, wait. I just share my screen. Now, you
should be able to do other things as well. >> Um, okay. So, here we go. Oh, wait. Um, can everybody on Zoom see my screen? Okay, great.
Um, so maybe I was thinking for a format that we might just want to start clicking through the slides and thinking about talking points for each slide and who wants to say what. And then also some of the recommendations we didn't
fully flesh out unfortunately in the in the committee yet. So maybe some of them we could also try to think through more if they're not totally buttoned up. And also just to like set expectations. I think Monday is like a good draft and we're getting feedback, but nothing's
like baked baked until we bring forward like legislation text to the council or really put something like formal. So I think we're still just in like a starting to express our recommendations, but like we don't have it. It doesn't need to be perfect and it will never be
perfect. Um, so can you carry on? Um, and then we three worked on it. Um, and we're not a forum and that was totally fine. So, but if you all want to
also share as we're going um like I don't know what what do you think would be a good format for this? Yeah. I mean, we should maybe we could just go slide by slide and talk about who wants to talk during
which slides. Does that sound okay? >> Yeah, if we could sort of do like a summary through, not a read through, but a summary through like I'm going to talk about this slide is what it says. >> Yeah, that sounds great. Like who's going to hold the different pieces? >> Yeah.
So, I think that you should be your introducer. >> Yeah, that makes sense. Um, so I can start with this part. I'll start with this part like this is what we're going to go through. Who the committee is, our challenges and findings, recommendations and next steps.
Um, so who the committee is, these are the members and I think we had this bubble because we our guiding question, >> our guiding question is like what can we actually do like not in an empowered way and not just
Yeah. So, some of the input we've had a lot of input from everybody. Um, and then the guiding principles. I feel like Greece, this might be a good one for you. >> Yeah, I'm happy to talk about this one. So, I'll talk about this one and then I
think it goes into um the survey. So, that works well. >> Oh, it does. Okay. I can't remember what happens next. >> Yeah. >> Oh, it throws into count. Okay, perfect. Which I I can talk about this if you'd like me to.
>> That seems great. If you okay like Yeah, it's I mean basically what's on the slide is what is what is there, right? Great. Um yeah, so point in time count for Western Mass across the three counties um with an upward trend. And then the
next slide is the point in time count for Franklin County and Greenfield specifically. So concerning the numbers basically saying that the the the large majority of the point in time count numbers for Franklin County are in
Greenfield which you know we're the county seat and so that both makes sense and also puts on us the onus of addressing this problem. >> Also I'm thinking that Larry you might be a good person for this. >> I can talk I could talk about this slide
right here. Yeah, that's what I was thinking because you you are the reason that we have the point in time count. >> Yeah. Well, I'm the Yeah, they've been chasing me down today. Yeah, I gotta um I got to do it for the winter time, too. So, yes, I'll talk about this slide.
>> That'd be amazing. >> Larry, would it be helpful for you if I adjust this chart to add the the specific numbers on each bar or each column? Well, I can see the numbers, but I mean,
you put the numbers on if you want. I mean, I can fight you got for that. I just >> Yeah, it's I mean, it's the the point of the slide is the big picture, not necessarily the specific numbers, but if you want, I can add them.
>> Yeah, I don't need the I'm definitely talking about the big picture, so I don't really need the numbers. >> Okay, great. >> Yep. Thanks. >> Yeah, just like how it's actually an underount. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. All that's going to come up. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Does that feel good on that? >> Yeah. >> Um this I I just updated this this morning to like the status of um shelters in Greenfield. I mean Sarah, you're not on the committee officially, but I'm like it would be great if you
wanted to talk about the warming center. >> I could I mean you we just identify that I'm not officially part of the committee. and be happy to to to talk about the learning subject. >> Yeah. Um, is there anyone else who feels like this slide? I don't know. Seems
>> I I'm happy to talk about these. I mean, I I don't know a bunch of people, but I'm here in and out of these all the time. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah, I'm happy to take this slide >> because I don't know if you'll be here on on Monday evening is when we're presenting to >> Oh, yeah. Commission meeting. Well, what
time is that? >> It's at 6. Yeah. It could also make sense for Larry to talk about this since you're going to be the previous >> you're presenting to council. >> Yes. >> Community relations subcommittee. >> Oh, okay. Sorry, Larry.
>> I'm very I'm very familiar. >> Yeah. So, why don't we can have Larry continue doing this slide as well if that works. Yeah. Well sh I'm with that family but the one over there by
these black they have over there on >> I yeah I think it's okay don't need to go in depth about each one >> just that they exist and these are the options >> and that you know the and that the well street one looks great but doesn't exist
yet. Yeah, it's grow is still building that >> and the warming center is not classified as a shelter. >> Exactly about that, right? No beds warming. >> Our chief will be upset about that. >> I know. I'm like I kind of It's the This
is called shelters, but whatever. >> We can't hear you. Well, >> okay. All right. I don't the hell here. Um the warming center is a whole different entity. It's not a shelter. >> Yep. >> Yeah. I'll just I'll rename this slide to something else or something.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, that seems good. And also just a question for my own interest that I realize I don't know the answer to, but if one arch place is like the temporary um location for people while the Wells Street shelter is being
redone, then what happens once that opens back up to the Winch Place? Yeah, good question. >> I think one place will be vacant. That's what's going to I don't think I don't know for that. Yeah, >> because that'd be great as like more winter warming.
You could just have two. >> Yeah. Okay. I could ask >> more, right? >> I can ask somebody that question. Kelly Benzra, just because I'm curious. Um, okay.
I retweaked this slide. I don't know if it's too ugly and confusing now, but basically this one it's a little ugly and confusing. Sorry, but it's a little basically this was the point of this one is that like there's not enough beds in
shelters, but then also people don't want to be in shelters for many valid reasons. There should be two slides here. Okay, we can we will tweak this better to have two separate slides that take up less time than trying to overexlain a slide that's confusing.
That seems good. Okay. So, we will we'll come back to this one, but basically like I like I feel like this is cool data from 2024 like breaking down the actual reasons why shelters aren't appealing to some people and and it
literally 74% of people didn't are not interested. Yeah. That were surveyed. So, that's a huge amount. Um, okay. So Rea will break down that slide and then maybe if you wanted to even talk about it if you were.
>> I don't feel familiar enough with the point in time count data and process to be a a reference point for this. >> Yeah. I guess Larry maybe are do you feel like continuing talking about why some people might choose to continue
like being in a tent rather than being in a shelter? >> I can share what people have shared with me. >> Sure. >> Thank you. Yeah, I could do that. I wish Christy was around. >> That's true. If she was around, that would be really good. I did reach out to
her. Um, but I don't know. I don't know how she's doing. So, >> yeah, I reached out to her, too. She hasn't responded, so I don't know. Okay. >> Yeah, if she's around, that would be amazing. I can So, maybe Larry, but if if Christiey's not around.
Okay. And then >> where is the survey? >> Um, now we're back to you survey. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um, so I'll talk about the survey. I want to put a picture of the paper
form on here. I just haven't gotten to it. Um, >> is this not a paper? >> That's the flyer. >> Oh, >> the paper. The paper. Right. Right. >> Yeah. Um, so that's introducing a survey and then
this is like demographic results. So who finished, how old they were, where are they living right now, time unhoused, which is the pie chart, and then all of them named indoor housing as a desire emphasizing need for safety and stability. And I think this is actually
a really nice contrast to the previous slide of like people saying, "I'm not interested in a shelter bed, but everybody said they were interested in indoor housing." >> Right. Exactly. And then um
this is people's responses about what services they're accessing now and barriers to accessing those services. So, of the folks who responded, Snap, Stone, Soup, and Wildflower were all named um by various folks, housing
and transport were the two most named services that people wanted, but they can't access. And then things that prevent you from accessing services. And I wanted to include this because I think that people often have a sort of association
with criminal activity and homelessness. And the things that prevent people from accessing services are stability, transport, knowledge, and availability. And then one person mentioned criminal record. >> Mhm. >> Um graphics dots for people.
>> It's really good. And then there should be one more. Yeah. So this is a great one. >> Um Yeah. So, we asked how well people think Greenfield serves its unhoused residents. And I gave the numbers of one
is terrible, four is okay, and seven is excellent. And we had one person respond above a four. >> Yeah. >> And everybody else said terrible or okay. >> Yeah. >> Who was that one person? I want to know what were they getting. What were they? >> Yeah. The most recent person to fill out
a survey, actually. >> Oh, really? >> Interestingly. Um and Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so this right there are pe people recognize that there are services available but they are not felt as
enough. Right. I made this a little clear with your stars too. >> Oh, thank you. >> Cuz it was hard to see um where you were actually identifying. >> Thank you. So, do you want to talk about
this or would you like somebody else to talk about this? I feel like you're going to be doing a lot of talking with the legality piece. >> I know that's kind of what I'm going I was like even the intro maybe I don't need to do the intro either. Like >> like I can I can talk about this. You can talk about this because I would have
just been talking about the survey. >> Yeah, fair. Um if you want to keep talking that would be cool. I'd be happy to talk about this. I really I would like Christy to talk about this. But yeah, >> that's true. Chrissy was here. This is her >> next picture. >> Yeah, I'm happy to talk about this
because we spent a lot of time tracing back around there various stages of dampness. So >> yeah, why don't why don't why don't you take this? >> Sure. >> If if Christy is available on Monday, I think I agree with you best. >> Yeah, for sure.
>> Um, so that and then photos. It was really hard to choose which photos were the most alarming, but those are the two I narrowed it down to. >> Oh, I forgot to say um in the community survey slide, I'm going to say that I added quotes through the rest of the
presentation from people's responses. >> Thank you. >> So, this is I'm happy to keep going. >> Okay. And then I will like send this back out to us with our names tagged on the slides and with >> go through it.
>> Um, okay. Now I zoning is my take it. >> Yeah. As a legislator. Um, so we love Dignity Village. >> That's it. That's the whole slide. We love Dignity Village. >> I mean, I don't know. I don't need to talk about the whole thing because it's
honestly a lot of things. >> Yeah. So maybe I I >> yeah I can talk about some of the zoning things that we worked on together. >> That'd be great. >> Um maybe the um you know I I feel Well, I
don't know if this is Do you have the parking stuff in this part or is that later? >> Later on. >> It's later on. Okay. Well, I feel good about talking about parking stuff. I could talk about um uh trailers and ADUs. >> Cool. Um because that's like
>> your legacy. >> It's my dad's thing. It's all he talks about. >> Yeah, we did talk about that part. So if you want to do this part in the campaign. >> Well, I I feel good talking about the village model. >> Thanks.
>> Um okay, so I can talk about that. I wouldn't be able to talk about it if it was about campgrounds, but I am allowed to talk about it if it's a new zoning definition. >> Yeah, I'm happy to talk about this part.
Yeah. >> Okay, great. Thank you. >> This um I frankly if if you feel like it's too close to to a COI, I'm happy to do the whole all of the zoning stuff. Um
but I didn't want to steal your thunder on the >> Yeah. I mean, I don't know. >> I I don't know. >> I don't know. We can figure that out. I'm not sure. Oh, why don't we at the
end we'll like figure out like who has how many slides and just that's a good idea. Yeah. >> Um but that sounds good. Also just as like a side note that's regulating as an ADU. Um I just called the state
I not called I left I emailed because it might the definition of an ADU is on a foundation. So this is like >> but then Great Barington did it. But then is Great Barington just doing it illegally or or >> So that's why I'm like just double
checking. >> I'm also happy to talk about the manufacturing side. >> Great. Land unit residential development then this example. Well, if you if you moved >> I might move this
>> the dignity village to here or here to the dignity village then you could do all of the village model stuff. >> Yeah, I think you're right. I think those should be I should move that. >> Okay, I do that. All right, thank you. Good ideas.
Um, okay. Now we're in resources. A lot of slides. Are people tired of it? We can make it. >> Um, I can talk about this if you want. It seems good.
>> Is there I mean, I don't I don't want to volunt anyone, but is there any chance Pamela would be up to talk about this? I feel like it's a library project. >> Pamela, how do you feel about that? I I could um What time is the meeting on Monday?
>> It's at 6:00 p.m. >> Yep. I I could talk about that if you'd like. >> That'd be wonderful. Yes, please. >> Okay, sure. >> And maybe the um the map. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> You want me to talk about both >> if you're down? >> Sure. >> Nice. Thank you. Yep. >> Trash removal. >> I would so love to talk about this. >> Yay.
>> Okay. >> They still haven't put no barrels down here. Did anything different? >> Yeah. No, we could check in on this. Like the There's also still a bench missing downtown. Like Yeah, >> they haven't did anything.
>> Um I talked to Mountain Man about it. and he's willing to communicate to like with residents and be like, "Oh, this is the day that it's going to be put out and and whatnot and help make sure that that happens." But I think the holdup is
I is honestly just we need to just email and and be like, "Hey, what's going on?" And like I think it's just a nudging cuz it's like >> Yeah, I work really I work really closely with Mountain Man every day. And so me and Mountain Man have been talking
about this because there's trash building up down there um >> down there on um what they call Riverside Drive. There's trash building up there down there right now. And so we got to try to figure this thing out because there's nothing that's changed.
>> Yep. Um Okay. I can send an email or like I can do this like literally right after the meeting to just um make sure that we're really get this done because there's no reason that everyone was into it. There's no reason for it not to
already be happening. Um >> this is another thing that I wish Christie was here to talk about. >> Yeah. If you're going to talk about the trash, do you want to carry on to this? >> More than happy to keep talking about this. Yeah. >> Are you you're in the free fridge planning group? Yeah.
>> Nope. >> You're not. Okay. >> You and I can connect about that then. >> Sounds good. Sounds good. >> I didn't really know what to call this bucket, but whatever. right to exist
seems adequate. Yeah. And then Zoe could honestly talk about this. Zoe should talk about this. Um if Zoe is feeling well by Monday, I can talk about this if she's not well
enough to come. Okay. Community responders also would be great for Zoe. This is all a Zoe if if she can. And I also feel comfortable to talk about this if she's not. But if you would if you I know this is also one of your
uh hyperinterest moments. So if you >> special interest if you would like to talk about this, I'm happy to hand it off. >> I'm good. >> Okay. But I did love the webinar that I attended. Did you get to attend the webinar, Pamela, or or Anna?
Oh, sorry. You're muted. >> Yes, I did go um to the webinar. Uh and so we'll be getting the notes and stuff soon that I can share with the rest of the staff. >> That's good. >> So, >> wait, I got the slides um sent out
already. I wasn't able to go, but I'm planning to watch it. >> Yeah, it's I thought it was very informative and I agreed with you. I like the Lynn. >> Yeah. >> Anyways, not to get off track. >> No, I mean it's kind of all on this, but
and Sarah, I wish Sarah was saying that community EMS could fill a very similar niche. >> Yeah, they they expanded the definitions for the the SAMS model. Um, and even if they didn't, you know, we could a
petition uh to add anything to a SIMS model uh SAMS. So, it's doable. Um, and it it's it's out of EMS. It's not out of of law enforcement. It's purely out of um EMTs, paramedics, and community
volunteers. >> Does that mean that they would be an option on a on a dispatch or >> It would be the same dispatch line. >> It would be the same >> and they would just have like a a separate set of questions to ask to tease out. So, like I've been developing this on my own as I'm a licensed DMT.
Um, and what I would add to this is peers, uh, similar to community uh, the community volunteers from Northampton. I know the Northampton model as well. I've met some of those folks out of public health. But, you know, you could have recovery coaches and certified peer specialists uh, who support people in
mental health recovery, you know. So essentially like any mental health or substance use immersion call would be rooted to to the SIMS team uh which would be right out of and what that would look like was would be the fire department would would um build out a volunteer call force um because all
firefighters are required to be MTS in Massachusetts. So he already has that, you know, but that's how we could do it because it has to be attached to an ambulance service or to a service like the fire. Um, >> and you know, it sounds like there's some there's some like initial support on for both from from both chiefs.
>> Um, and it's just, you know, how how you look at it. And I think with the state model, um, we could apply for different kinds of grants for that if it's out of the state model. Um there's grants at the state level and there's also um the abatement funds in the state level which
also uh community community EMS models can apply oh wow for uh the municipal matching grant and that's through rice Massachusetts. >> Amazing. >> I'm also a grant reviewer with RI just want to self-dose that. So >> cool. I would be sitting on any grant that you know reviewing any grant that goes through. >> What what is the grant called?
>> It's Rise Massachusetts. It's it's a municipal matching grant. Um, and I think I think there's one coming in a couple months. Uh, the one that just kic went out and it's already done uh done with was is that the committee mentioning grant? I'll have to look at the schedule
of of you know it's public knowledge of schedule and and if I give that to you, I will when the next opportunity and just send information to this committee to see what that looks like. Um, but yeah, I love the fact that uh this committee is talking about community community responders because the
committee has been asking for that. Yeah, >> you know, and there's really no need for law enforcement to attend to mental health or substance use because you can also back me up on that, right? Like first thing we learned to see safety, you know, from before you leave leave with the ambulance when you arrive on scene, it's not safe, we know to back up
and call for, you know, for extra resources. So, that's not really a problem. But I hear that a lot when we talk about a model like this. People get nervous. They're like, "Well, what if? What if?" And I'm like, "We're trained to know what to do. What if?" And >> um yeah, so I love this. This is like part of my hard work. >> Oh,
>> I just I love that this is part of it. >> Yeah. We also have one of the fire captains is very on board with this as an option. >> Yeah. >> I haven't talked to the chief about it, but >> I haven't. >> He's one of the captain a couple years ago. Actually, when I when I got licensed, I I reached out to Chief and
said keep him in the loop. >> Yeah. >> You know, obviously he's not going to say, "Yeah, let's go for it." Just saying keep him in the loop. He was very interested. So, we I believe we have two chiefs now that are, you know, are very interested in in seeing what this looks like and um see if we can actually accomplish this. I think there's no
reason why we couldn't except for the funding and the only glitch is, you know, is the funding because there was a bill in Congress for treatment in place uh which would allow EMTs and paramedics to treat in place for folks that have trauma with systems. They don't want to go to the hospital, but also we could do
that followup. you know, say someone's a diabetic and they're not managing their medication well and you know, we did an emergency call with them, we could follow up the next day. Hey, how you doing, Mr. Smith? >> Yeah. >> Um, you know, how's your glucose today? >> But yeah, so there's there's ways about doing it and I haven't really done a
deep dive search into existing money for SAMS in this state level, but I'm pretty sure there probably is besides the the rise stuff. Yeah. I really wish Zoe was here to think about community EMS benefits and then like
>> I can talk to Zoe. Yeah, we've talked about it. >> Oh, good. You have already talked about it. >> Her and I have talked about it. >> Oh, cool. Okay. not extensively. Um that's that's on my tick list to reconnect with her >> um on this lane and say, "Hey, can you and I like work together and and I'd love to kind of
>> formulate something with her considering her background in public health and and paramed. >> I think it's a good fit just to >> and she's the she was the community EMS director. So that's crazy. That's >> I know the universe is aligned. You
know, I've been talking about this for four years now. Um, and it's finally aligned. So, it's wonderful. >> Yeah, I'm excited about it. Would community EMS only be volunteer run? Like, would there be
>> Most Most likely? Um, because I What what's the capacity for AMR? Yeah, that's what I said. >> AMR is not going to do it. >> Well, I mean, the big big thing is we don't bill if we don't transport. >> Yes, exactly. Oh, and even if we do transport and bill
a like because of EMA, a lot of people just don't pay their EMS bills, >> right? >> So, AMR is not going to do this for free. >> Yeah. So, that's why the volunteer call force comes through. So, there there's still paid volunteers, but it's a voluntary call force. >> That's why that's why I he was I think
that's why the chief was thinking in that way because he understood. I mean, I know I know AMRs and I'm hurt in their limitations and and I figured they wouldn't uh be interested in that just because of money. >> Yeah. >> You know, they have to survive, too, and be able to continue operations.
>> Well, they're private for profit, so yeah, I got you. >> I got you. >> Cool. Moving on from that. Wait, what? Why is it not showing? >> Yeah, something is a little funky with your >> Oh, it's right. It's just my computer.
Oh, it's your computer. Okay. >> I forgot. Um, so there are my phone and there were labels. >> So, there are in fact labels on all of those, but >> Sarah's laptop is doing a thing. Um, >> it's okay. Yeah. So, success snapshot.
Um, >> this is all still Zoe. >> This is all still Zoe. >> Honestly, this is good to know because that means I probably shouldn't screen share on Monday >> unless you fix your >> unless I fix my computer settings and I don't know how to do that. Sorry, >> we can try and figure
>> we can try and figure that out. >> Um or at least highlight everything. >> It's the same slide twice, but with the top five categories highlighted. And the reason they're highlighted is because um part of what I'm going to talk about when I talk about the survey is what
people are asking for. And it's these things. >> Yeah. What's DCC stand for? >> Division of Community Care. >> Northampton one. Oh, this is >> Yeah, this is this is the Northampton. Okay, gotcha. Understood.
>> Yeah, maybe we could even just write Northampton community responders. >> Whatever. We'll mention it. >> Yeah, I mean this is like basically like resource navigation. >> Exactly. I understand. Yeah. >> Okie dokie.
Um I don't know. Okay. Uh, we all have so many slides because there's so many slides. >> So, is this his slide is just basically housing first?
>> Um, I think of housing first as like um there's no pre- requirements. >> Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. >> Don't need to be sober. >> Okay. >> Don't need to have a job first. But then this is more just like upstream as in if if
renters're able to stay where they live in the first place then like it wouldn't be as much fun as this. >> And in in the slide deck this is the same color as the as the um section heading slides. >> Okay. >> So this is a section heading slide. It's
just using a different format as a picture. >> Yeah. It might be good to >> Well, what is the what what follows? >> What follows is saying like there's this section of the slides I think could be worked on because there's no pictures and whatever, but just these are
examples of stability measures like rental registry keeping tabs, um health inspections, um rent control, um housing stability notification ordinance. This one I feel bad fully
recommending because they have that in Northampton and like nobody's doing it. But technically a landlord's supposed to give renters's rights materials at the start and end of teny, but it's really hard to enforce. >> And then the right to repair is really
cool. This is like um if you fix something like a renter could fix something and then the it's just deducted from your rent and then there's like rules around how that works. Cool. But those are just these are sort of like rental registry and these housing
stability right to repair those are like quality control measures. >> So can we play with the previous slide and the following slides to make them >> talk to the rest of the presentation a little more? >> Yeah, that seems good. Or honestly even these could be condensed completely into
like one slide. I don't know. or like I'm not sure how much we want to dwell because I don't know like rent control I think would directly impact homelessness but then the registry and the housing stability to repair I think it doesn't as much >> well let's let's look at this over the
next couple days because I think that there's probably some adjustments that we can make >> yeah happy to workshop we'll come back to this I think so maybe we don't need to choose who's saying it just right now we can figure that
Um, affordable housing trust. I feel good about talking about this one. Okay. Also, short-term rentals don't pay taxes here, and they should. They're just not.
>> Yeah. I wonder if there's a way to cap that. I mean, it just seems like that it's a a trend that is eating up some of the housing. >> Yeah. >> For folks because a landlord's like, "Oh, no. I can just make it an Airbnb and make so much more money uh than renting, you know, long term." And I
don't know what what the the right right thing is. >> We could literally ban it. That's one option. The other option, >> make the tax like completely ridiculous. So they don't even think about >> I do feel strongly that like as as a homeowner like I would like a provision in there that if you are homeowner and
you are doing like an owner occupied short-term rental where it's in the house that you occupy that it should be like that's one of the only reasons that I'm not homeless is because I have been able to rent part of my house >> on like a cyclical basis in a way that
then allows me to pay my mortgage, >> you know, and I know that I'm not the only person in that position and I think that there are ways to do it that are not like gouging the housing market >> and instead bring like bring like bring more people into the town,
>> right? Because it's folks who are coming in who don't live here who are coming for like the Green River Fest and the Franklin County Fair and stuff like that. Um, two things on that. The most we could ever tax is 9%. That's the state. That's what it allows
you. And there is an exemption for owner occupied two family or three family, >> which we should probably do just because whatever >> cuz it it is a viable income measure especially like for families who have kids and who especially have like kids
with disabilities or they have additional expenses or they're, you know, struggling with child care payments, that kind of thing. But maybe we would get like 40 or 50,000 a year and then that would be something that could be used. >> So that would be cool. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm like fully in favor of the
taxing. I just don't think it should be banned. >> Um this slide I feel like I don't have something that I would like to revisit this with you because I know you've worked on this. I don't feel like I have >> Well, this is all this I so I made this when we had
ordered the whole slideshow completely differently. >> Okay. >> And now basically this whole section supply sustainability and and substability. >> Yeah. like is all things that basically
we didn't talk about in this and they're awesome things that I'm sure would be helpful and that I feel happy about recommending but um they're new. They're like brand new and I had not >> really even been thinking about them but um
>> we can just revisit this whole section of the slides. I don't know. They're all kind of confusing. >> Yeah. Well, I feel like the the thing that I I put this slide here basically just to make the argument that we do in fact have a shortage of housing in Greenfield, which is like something that
a lot of people are not convinced of at this point. We we could also name this as like there are other groups doing work on this and we are happy to recommend that their work be implemented like like FRCOG has been right and and the the people's
budget I think has some housing study done >> so like we don't have to have all the information to still say like we put our support behind this. >> That's kind of how I feel like is the gist of this slide. It's like we're not we're going to focus >> on stuff that's directly impacting
people because >> whatever it's a gap, but then there's people working on this. >> Well, and also it's a moment to say like we're not doing this work alone, right? Like like we've been doing all of this work. We focused on all of these things and also this is a big enough problem that we are not the first nor the only
people trying to like offer a solution here and they are also worth listening to. Mhm. Honestly, I think the main thing that's relevant for us is the housing on public land part because if like if there was like a parking lot or
um yeah, public land where people wanted to have put some tiny homes up or like that would you could lease it to a nonprofit and the nonprofit could do it or I don't know if it's relevant to us. >> That's more the village model thing. But
that's also something that we like that we did like you know you and I went and walked a bunch of different pieces of land and that's that's worth saying because there's land that would be great if you would just say yes, you know,
>> right? Yeah. Okay. But we'll we'll tweak it. Um so next steps wrapping up. This is good. We have like five or six slides left. I think
um I just was thinking like if anyone's watching and they're like, "Wow, I'm moved. I want to do something. >> Here are the things." >> Then they could do something. That's nice. >> She must have liked it. Um, but are there other ways that people want to
these are just things I was brainstorming, but I'm sure there's other things like would Wildflower Alliance want cash donations, Larry, or like do you feel like Interfaith Council like who do you think is the best or direct cash assistance if people know
somebody and there's a specific thing? But like >> the interfaith council >> is the best for us. >> Yeah, we don't really take cash. We don't really take I mean I guess you could probably do it but we ain't really taking too many cash donations. Um
>> but we do take regular donations though and like we like we're on Chapman Street. So folks walk up and down Chapman Street every day. We get we get >> we get a crowd of people all the time Monday and Wednesday and Friday. >> Would you want wildflower lines to be
listed as like donating supplies that are good for camping? >> Okay. So, >> cuz right now we have redistro mountain man. >> What is gear and goods? >> Um I was thinking food like for the free fridge, but I'll just take that off. We don't have it yet.
>> Well, I just it's out of alignment with the rest of your practice here. Is gear and goods a thing or >> Yeah. So it will be a task force every year they do a gear and good stress. >> Got it. Got it. Got it. >> Yeah. >> But the gear and goods drive it like they wanted a lot of really specific
Yes. things tents jackets. Um that's why it's called gear and goods. >> Okay. Because that's because of our past experiences having that gear and good drive. Sometimes folks will donate stuff that the first year we did it, we had to end
up reiving that stuff to other places because a lot of that stuff wasn't they couldn't use. Um, so now we try to be have more specifically directed stuff that we try to get for folks.
>> Right. And can I ask Yeah. the the 911 usage point, >> somebody added that? You added that? Who added that? >> Yeah, I added that one. Okay. I was like, >> I I wanted to ask you if that's a current problem. >> It is a huge problem. People will call 911 for anything in this field.
>> Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. >> You want to you want to soap box this right now? If >> you show them that I don't know if anybody seen there's a firefighter, Fenton, that that has a song that he greases every year at Christmas like um reasons not to call 911.
Funny, you know, like the the my partner won't talk to me. 911. It's it's it's done to like a Christmas song, so that kind of reminded me when I saw that. And >> it's that bad. >> Yeah. Well, I think it's relevant in in Greenfield because we have an epidemic
of people calling 911 on someone for being homeless. >> Yes. >> Like it's just like they see someone on the street and then call 911. >> So that is not what I get from that point. And I think that that's worth saying in a more explicit way. And but but also like be considerate is
you know don't call 911 on somebody because they don't have a place to sleep but also like think about how you relate to other human beings who happen to not have a place to sleep. >> Yeah. I think that makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> So tweak what that says. Yeah. And then also I'll add links to all of these because that way Yes. >> done once these are >> Yes. in the public on an agenda, then people could like click and like email or sign up or whatever. Great.
Um, but I didn't do that yet. >> Okay. So, that's and I'll write gear and goods drive like opioid task force. That's clear. Link to that or just link to it. >> And if you're linking that, you could take off free store and have space to put in something else. >> Yeah, I could just write what you just
wrote. Yeah, that's good. Thank you. >> Stickers. Thank you. Um, and then inventory surplus. I feel a little weird about that one, but like if you live in a big house alone or if you have backyard space or like I don't know like is that that one's like
a little bit critical of people's lives, but it's >> No, I think you should put that there. >> I think we're I think we're being a little critical here and I think that's good. >> I'm like if you have space there's >> And also this is a nice long list like people don't have to do them all. That's true. >> Yeah, that's a good point.
>> Okay, great. So we don't we don't feel that it's crossing over overstepping. >> Okay, great. >> Um, wait, who's saying this stuff? >> I'm happy to say this stuff. >> Thank you, Robin. Great.
>> So, we will come back to figuring out the supply, subsidy, stability, our narrative there, and who's saying them. It's kind of confusing. These are horrible notes, but I'll figure it out after. Um,
and then next the checklist. And then the slide I added at the end maybe just to show I added two more. These are the two I added just cuz I don't think you guys saw them yet. >> No. >> Um, so this is the checklist.
>> Yeah. Like which is a recap of everything. I don't think there's anything new, but at the same time, Max thought that Max was like, there's new terms on this slide of like, what's a new term? So, I don't know. Maybe it still looks confusing to people. >> Trespassing. >> Trespassing.
>> I don't know that we talked about We talked about >> Yeah, we Yeah. Where did the ordinance slide happen? >> The ordinances were there, but >> the trespassing was on there, but I didn't I didn't like highlight it or cuz maybe trespassing >> I think it maybe got lost.
>> No. And I think and like enforce short-term rental tax is a little bit different wording than was on the >> Yeah. So I think just make sure I match the wording, but most of it's the same. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Like it is all the same, but I think the wording wasn't exactly the
same. So I'll just Okay. >> Make that match. So you hear it twice. Repetition is key. Um, so then this was just what I was thinking and then this is a good thing for us to transition to now that we're almost at the end anyway. But so right
now we're into this phase. We're going to we're presenting. It's not a flash in the pan. We're like just starting setting the stage for these ideas and then we're we still got to like bring these
ideas around recommendations to city departments like central maintenance. Can you do a 247 365 year round water fountain? Like what would that even cost? Like we didn't we haven't had those conversations yet. >> Can we adjust the language? >> Yes.
>> So rather than saying get additional feedback from, can we >> say something like um develop partnerships with >> Yeah. collaboration. >> I I'm less interested in getting feedback and more in saying
we're ready to work with you. Here's what we'd like to do. How can we make this happen? >> Okay. >> Um, that seems reasonable because I feel like we already did >> Yeah. >> do some preliminary >> Yeah. >> whatever consulting and meeting with people, but this is now the stage of
like, okay, what would it really do? Um, and then hosting a public hearing. I like the idea. Improve collaboration with I think Reese is talking about step two like the city departments. >> Yes. Boards and commissions, mayor's office.
>> Yes. >> Service providers, community groups, and house community members. And the public hearing, the purpose of the public hearing would be what? I think a little bit of like an in between step like we could just um be like here's our
zoning changes, here's our ordinance changes, but then also we have other recommendations that are not strictly legislative and then this would be like we could even get pizza or something like it could be a little bit more of like a social event.
>> Sorry. So the the reason the reason I'm asking is that if step three is post a public hearing to share legislative recommendations with the community, >> not not just I think all of our recommendations like I don't think we're really going to have a big turnout Monday night, but basically like a way
to like actually get people tuned in. >> Mostly I'm thinking if step two >> Oh wait, yeah. >> Yeah. Um if step two is needs to actually be like develop implementation plans.
>> Yeah, I think that's what >> in partnership with these because then step three is like here is our plan. What do you think about this? >> Yeah. Um Yep. Thank you. Yeah, Pamela. Okay, you
may have answered my question because I was going to I was going to ask if the hosting of public hearing is just to present or to ask or to ask for community recommendations or community
input. >> Yeah, that's exactly what I was just sort of saying is like is the public hearing to say here's what we're doing, tell us what you think. Or is a public hearing to say, >> "We want to know what you think we should do." Like both of those would be
very different. >> And and I think the public hearing could be here's what we think we should do and we have these recommendations in partnership with all of these city agencies and now we're ready to like sort of get a final like rubber stamp
from the community essentially. Um so c can I ask question because you know when I see public hearing um we have to follow open meeting law so you have to you know have it posted official and have public comment >> right >> as part of the the public hearing so
that you can hear from the public >> that was one other thing because I I heard it was a very casual kind of conversation about the public hearing it's like wait a minute that has to be >> follow the the open >> I know honestly like what I'm wanting and I don't know how to do this in a
structure structure of meetings because I don't necessarily want like presentation public comment like I would love if it was like pizza homeless and housed community event and like people can be like >> that would be more
>> you want to have a community discussion. >> Yeah, I feel like that that would be more like we would we could do we could also go through the recommendations but maybe not this level of >> are we allowed to do that? I don't know. >> Can you find that? Maybe maybe we could be if it was hosted like housing green
field was going to say if there's not a forum. >> Yeah, exactly. If it was >> Yeah, I would definitely consult Kathy Scott on that for clarification. >> I don't know. Both of those things sound valuable. >> Yeah. >> Right. Like they're very different
>> purposes. So like maybe the getting getting in deeper relationship with other groups involves having some community discussions >> like that are led by other community groups like Furog >> um or housing green field and then the
public hearing is the official thing >> right and that is the preliminary step to actually bringing it to city council. >> Oh you could do that as long as there's not a core of members. >> Yeah, >> you could do that. you could do just like you said as though there's not a quorum. >> Well, I'm thinking about in step two,
>> right? As part of step two, other community groups host things where there is not a quorum present >> and at least one of us is there being part of the conversation like >> because that would then follow that would that would put that like community
feedback higher in the process which I feel more comfortable with. >> Okay, I see. >> Right. because then we're actually in conversation with community before we're ready to make any formal recommendation and then by the time we're hosting a public hearing we show up hoping right that we've heard a lot of the feedback
already and then can move a little bit more easily. >> Yeah. Also, public hearing doesn't need to be separate from bringing legislation forward. Like >> anytime you do that >> it's like the public hearing is open now it's closed. Like it could just be in
the meeting itself. It doesn't need to be a separate drawn out. >> And as Yeah. And as long as we're having like real conversations in step two, then I think that step three and step four could be the same thing. >> Cool. >> Because then again, hopefully we would have had enough conversations with
enough different demographic groups of people that by the time we bring it to city council, we're not we're getting people standing up in public comment saying, "I've heard about this already. I've been in conversation with these people and I prove it." And then sit back down. And if we have 30 people do that and you know then four people who
are like I haven't heard anything about this that would be an ideal outcome. I think >> I think people's least favorite one is going to be tiny homes as an ADU because ADU is a trigger word. >> Yeah. But and it also is not even going to I think we could let that one go if
people really don't like it because Great Bington they said they don't like they passed that a few years ago and they said that nobody's applied for the permitting because it's already really complicated to like adhere to building code appendix Q for tiny homes. >> So I think I will I'm not going to die
on that hill if people don't like it. But >> that's also part of the like having a really robust set of recommendations means that if you have to let one or two things go >> Yeah. >> you're not then feeling like you've lost
the the point and purpose of the whole process, >> right? Like what feels most >> So, are you down to workshop these and revise it? >> Yeah, sure. Good. >> Um,
okay. So we're in this timeline process. I was thinking like this is we're here December. I was thinking the implementation this is all like January February. I don't know. >> Are you on a new slide? Sorry.
>> Oh no. I'm on the same slide. You're on the same >> I'm saying like for step one that's like now. Yeah. Step two, it's also now in December, but more thorough in January and maybe we'll try to bring something forward in like February. Who knows?
Does that seem reasonable? >> I think that we should give ourselves the first quarter. >> Okay. For step two. >> Yeah, that seems good. The one thing I'm worried about is I don't want to line up with budget season because if we're doing budget season, then >> nobody wants to nobody will have the brain space or will want to.
>> When is budget season? Um I think it'll start like April. When we when did we approve it? May. >> Okay. So if we But if so if we give ourselves the first quarter Yeah. And with the with the idea that at the end of the first quarter we're presenting to
the city council. Yeah. That would be March, >> right? End of March. >> March is about the time that the budget really starts to pick up. So you want to be done by March. >> Okay. So, so what if we gave ourselves until mid-March to present to the city council
earlier being better? >> Then things have to have like multiple readings or zoning. So then it's still syncing it up with budget season. >> We can figure it out. I guess how long it takes us to do all this feedback. It's okay if we don't. >> I think that we could do it. I think
that if we want to aim for beginning of March, we're going to have to I think we should aim for earlier as like February. But what I'm saying is if even if we are aiming for the beginning of March, >> that's 2 months. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> So
it would be tight. >> I think that we would have to have a really clear timeline and really clear like division of labor because otherwise it's not going to happen. >> Yeah. This could be another meeting in and of itself. I think planning our like
planning our like public outreach strategy plus um the implementation out who's talking to who and I think maybe that's like I think we can do it. I I think it's just I don't know. I think I we can't be lax about any part of that
if we want to be, you know, wrapping this list up in two months because we're really we're going to have less than two months and February is a short month, right? Because it's nobody's going to be back to doing stuff until January 4th
is. >> Okay. Um, I'm okay to just um try and map this out in our next meeting if that seems shredded
>> instead of presenting it as a slideshow. >> No, I mean I'm happy to put it in a slide but like leaving it vague as in step one, step two, step three and like not having an internal timeline internally. Let's map out our own timeline. Yeah, >> that sounds good. >> Yeah, I like that.
So then who's presenting this slide? >> Reese, you sound like I can present the slide. Sure, I know what I'm talking about. >> Okay, these are the ones I added next. I think that one and the end.
So I added this one just as like zooming back out. Why are we doing anything at all? And um and I found this community solutions built for zero group that
seems really cool. Um they have like 15 communities that have like functionally zero homelessness. And what they're describing that as is homelessness is rare, brief, and not chronic. and that the number of people that are entering
homelessness, then there's still a rate of people getting rehoused. And so it's not like that people aren't becoming homeless, but just like the it's like a dynamic >> Yeah. >> rate and people are frequently getting help getting housing enough that it's
not they're not >> um and that they track it like in real time by name data. And I don't think that we have that like the point in time count is data like PE people have that internally like Larry has that knowledge
but like I don't know I don't think that it's not a coordinated enough effort between all the different providers and people working on this issue. So I think that this could be a pool um to be like a
local community participating in this program by Larry. >> I feel like that >> Can we put this the before the last slide? >> Yeah, totally. >> Um I don't know where we want to put this, but I feel >> Can we put it one slide up? >> Oh yeah, sure.
Um, but I like the idea of like we're part of a network of people working on this and um, and people can have like more quality of life and more dignity. >> And we saying you should join Built for
Zero, the city of Greenfield. >> City of Greenfield. >> This is another recommendation. >> Yeah, it's another recommendation. I just It's a new one. I just found it today and I was like, this is so cool. Can we put it one up and then maybe we can go back and rework it into one of the munis full >> Yeah. checklist.
>> Yeah, >> that seems good. And honestly, there was like a Yep. And I there was a quote from them about like how homelessness is just um a bell weather of our systems for community resilience, which I liked. Um
but yeah, we can work this in because it's not totally Yeah. Or we could even go at the beginning. It's like our principle, our guiding principles and then like this is something >> I like that. >> I like that too, but it was not part of our goal.
>> No, it wasn't. It was >> it can be part of our goal now. >> It was inclusion of the unhoused community was our >> Oh, wait. Also, I think we were not supposed to talk because maybe we're less than a forum now. I think we're through. Um I I don't think I should go at the
beginning because I don't it wasn't part of our >> I think we have to wrap up the meeting. Yeah. >> Sorry. >> Um >> sorry everyone. I just remember we have to wrap up the meeting. We don't have a quum. >> Um we will do that. So but let's
we will stay in touch and I will send out the slides with the names. Um, so can I have a motion to end the meeting? >> I move that we end the meeting. >> Second.
>> Thank you. Um, all in favor >> is ending and it is 4:37 p.m. Thank you. >> Thank you and see you on Monday.