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Good evening. Welcome to the monthly meeting of the Greenfield Zoning Board of Appeals. Uh we meet the second Thursday of every month at 6:30 p.m. on uh June 11th, 2026. We are here in um

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City Hall. City Hall in Greenfield. Um I'm going to read a chair statement first. This meeting is being recorded by the uh ZBA. If any other persons are present present or recording the meeting, you must notify me at this time. Anybody else recording the meeting? No. No. Good

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chair. Uh, in accordance with mass general laws chapter 38 section uh 20g, no person shall address a meeting of a public body without permission of the chair and all persons shall the request of the chair be silent. No person shall disrupt the proceedings of a meeting of a public

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body. If after clear warning from the chair a person continues to disrupt the proceedings the chair may order the person to withdraw from the meeting and if the person does not withdraw the chair may authorize a constable other officer to remove the person from the meeting. Um so the roll call of the

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members are David Singer >> Eric Green Roberts >> Debbie Jo. >> Okay. And um just so we all know this is Peter's last meeting. It's the last meeting that we have the pleasure of Peter being a member of the board. So,

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uh we'll talk about that when we're done. So, um uh uh Madame Clerk, would you please read the applications? >> Uh yes. So, application of 33 Butternut LLC for property located at 33 Butternut

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Street, assessors Matt R5, lot 28I, which is located in the planned industrial PI zoning district for special permit pursuant to sections 200-4.12 and 200-8.3 of the zoning ordinance in order to

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allow for storage and sale of fuel. And sitting on the panel are Peter Oia, >> Eric Green, Charles Roberts, >> Chevy, >> David Singer. Hey, who's and the applicant is here. Would you state your name and what you're up to? Where you at? >> Yep. [clears throat]

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>> Brian Giller, 39 College Highway. I'm the applicant for 33 Bottomup Street. >> You do not own the property, correct? >> I do not. I'm the prospective purchasers of the property. The owners of the property behind me, John and and Michael Macken. Um, so the request for the special

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permit is to bring the property up to compliance that under your zoning bylaws in the plan industrial there's a special permit required through the ZBA for fuels bulk

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fuel sales and storage. So what we are proposing we submitted a plot plan with the application it was on 8 12 by 11 but I was able to increase this that gives the dimensions of the

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subject parcel which is the 281. Thank you. And I also could put out a fine uh a GIS map [clears throat] to show the paved areas surfaces

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So on the the parcel you can see there's an existing garage with a with an office small office in the front. Now, the back part of the garage, we currently they store two of the fuel trucks at night or

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when they're not being run in service, which in the summer is more frequent than in the winter. Um, [clears throat] sometimes the trucks have fuel. Most of the time the trucks are empty because they go out in the morning, do the

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route, come back empty, and then in the morning they go back to the terminal which is one of the terminals in Springfield to get fuel to then go and and start the route. Um the size of the trucks typical typical truck is around

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3,00 to 3,400 gallons each for the small trucks that deliver to the homes. They have two trucks of that size. Um those are 30,000galon tanks each because they're a little bit older units. Um and

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there is a tanker as well that they've used for large distribution. Um I believe back 20 years ago they did more of tank tank. >> So the larger capacity. [clears throat]

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So between that combination of what is presently there, it's 15,300 gallons if everything is full of fuel and on on that parcel. I am asking that due to this upgrading

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of some of the equipment that the trucks range in the 3 to 3,800 gallon range now the newer trucks because there's different compartments for kerosene or diesel fuel. um to ask for 18,000 gallons of maximum of 18,000 gallons of

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storage just so that if we if and when a truck is upgraded or changed and the truck is another 500 or 800 gallons, I wouldn't fall out of compliance of asking you for exactly what is needed today. I'd have a little bit of a

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cushion in there for that. Um just curious in the terms of truck capacity, >> are these get increasing in size >> as far as the tank or the >> tank and the the weight? >> Um yeah, so the newer trucks there the

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technology they've been a able to lighten them up so the tanks have been able to be a little bit bigger so they could put a little bit more gallons on. So some of the newer trucks are 33 to 3500 gallons and and the older trucks are a little bit heavier. So the tanks range anywhere from 29 to, you know,

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3,3100 gallons. >> Changing the weight of the trucks won't have any impact on the roadway that goes into it. >> No, no, the trucks are still the GVW is still 33 or 35,000 lbs. It just the way the trucks are built and designed.

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Um, this site, we're not looking to increase any of the parking. We're not looking to alter any of the building. There's no changes to the property itself or the

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building. Um, it's just simply the gallons and like I said, there's looking for a little bit of an increase. So, there's a buffer there. So, I'm not coming back to for a truck if we bought it's 1,000 gallons more. Um the other fuels that would be on site that are not

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part of the sale or distribution, we'd have about 50 gallons of motor oil, 50 gallons of hydraulic oil, and there's a 500gallon skid tank that is there for fuel for the vehicles. Um all of this falls under the umbrella of the fire

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department. So coming to you is step one going to the fire department and possibly need I need to get clarification of the licensing. There's a comment in there about the licensing commission if if they had anything to do with that but I believe it's just the fire department

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that would be our next step to go through with all the regulations and inspection of the vehicles pro you know. So this is step one of a two-step process. Is there any need for containment? Say one of the trucks

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having a puncture tumor. >> They It's not typical where See, so I spoke with a consultant that I've used in the past and there's a difference between stationary tanks on the property and and

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mobile, right? So there's two different uh CMR regulations to the fire code. So, I don't have I don't know that we need I I asked the question if we would need any of that and and that he did not say we don't because it's mobile and it

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falls under a different regulation than based off of if it was a 2,000galon or 5,000galon stationary tank for fuel. >> But there would be a process for approval that application, >> right? through well it's step one through you folks and then step two to

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the fire fire department >> and they'd be the ones concerned about containment if there wasn't one >> right thank you and as far as the other fluids that are on on the property for the motor oil

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hydraulic etc those all go through the fire department as well those aren't part of the bulk sale of items those are just I want to be transparent and those are the items that we need to run and work in in the daily business operation.

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Um yeah, as far as the conservation, same thing. We're not looking to alter, change. We're going to use the existing building, existing property, existing parking [clears throat] as it all is. Um everything will fit. There's a few

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vehicles in here that won't be in there that you see on the photo. There's some boxes that are those will not be you ready for questions? >> I'm ready for question. [clears throat] >> First of all, it looks like you have another site plan over there.

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>> This is John this up with some dimension. >> That's important. [clears throat] deeply in your work. Um, so my first question is little mins can

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help with this is how long has this use been going on and has it been continuous? So, how long is this particular use? I I know that we had some discussion about the earth removal, but what about this use having the trucks come in fuel? How

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how many years has this been normal or some date of origination? >> Yeah, speak up a little bit. We bought the land was 1961 he sold in 2009 to this spot. >> So this particular use has been going on

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since ' 61 but the location of the use changed >> two 2011. John gave me a a brief breakdown of some history. So the oil business construction, the oil business was moved to 33 butter in 2011

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>> and it's been in continued use. >> So that shed was built in 2011, >> I think. >> Or was it literally moved? Was the shed moved to >> it? It was built prior to that was a different company. And we bought that where the shed and

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offices was already built when we moved. We moved up because we sold the lower sandbank. >> So that's this site. What what was what use was going on on this site before you bought it? >> There was a uh I think at the time we

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bought it, they were selling candy. >> Could you say candy? >> Candy. They were had like a restocking candy machines and things that >> I see. So it wasn't anything to do with fuel. >> All right. By the way, I'm sorry to can

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you introduce yourself, please? >> And and you are the owners of the property, correct? >> All right. So if I understand this, there's there's a business that

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takes fuel that comes in by truck by big trucks that now you want to expand to a higher volume of 18,000 gallons. So 18,000gallon trucks will come in and park with fuel in it. And smaller trucks that have 3,000 to 4,000 gallons of

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capacity will be fueled from those trucks. something will go from that truck into the other truck. So, how's the fuel exp? >> No. So, so you go to the terminal Springfield or whichever terminal is, the trucks get filled and then they go for home delivery or you know

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construction site or and off tanks like that. So the large tanker was in use for larger capacity deliveries. Like if a greenhouse or uh a farm has a 3,000galon tank instead of taking the smaller truck cuz I mean if

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you say it's a 3,000galon tank you can only fill to 80 or 85%. So it's not true 3,000gallon. So the larger truck is used to do you know larger deliveries and such. So the actual fuel exchange the from the fuel site to the truck happens in Springfield.

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>> Correct. >> And the work the work that's done there is these trucks go around and then this is where the trucks stop >> are housed >> are housed >> and sometimes they'll have fuel in them and sometimes they won't. So that's the storage issue,

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>> right? So it in the like in the typical in the winter Michael and I were going through he has designated routes and he goes down gets a load of fuel and in the winter not necessarily wants to go and come back completely empty because the winter you

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have someone runs out of fuel. So, you want to have some storage, but in speaking with the fire department and the consultant that you've got to you've got to you need to ask for what the full capacity is of the vehicle. >> So, so I'm a what I'm asking for is

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18,000 so I don't have to come back if I bought another truck and to change 1,000 gallons. But right now they're at 15,300 with their capacity. >> You want you want it to be so that I get >> right. So I have a little bit of a little bit of a buffer. Those are for all the vehicles.

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>> All the vehicles total, right? It's right. It's not one one vehicles total will be $18,000. >> Yep. >> Get that. >> Yeah. I would imagine if there's like a big storm coming, you'd want to have the trucks filled in Springfield

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>> the day before and then you might have actually have that. we're getting a two foot snowstorm and we know that and the trucks need to go out then let's get the fuel for you know it's not every day that there's 18 >> and and the way the market goes too if you go a little bit deeper the way the

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market goes I could buy today it could be high tomorrow it's low and you're always following the market when you're trying to sell so you're not necessarily >> sell tomorrow >> yeah you're question sort of like the straight up horm or something >> yeah it's rolling It's like rolling

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dice. >> It looks like Eric has a question. >> Uh, [clears throat] just let me go ahead and then I'll be I'll let it go. Um, on this on the site plan, that's a aerial view of what's on the ground. The trucks seem to be parked uh on the property

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next to it >> right there. >> Yeah. >> Those are box trucks. Those aren't oil trucks. >> Okay. So you have no problem in keeping the trucks within parking spot that you the parking areas that you >> correct. >> Okay. >> And secondly, will some of these trucks

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be stored inside the building? >> Yes. Presently two of the the two smaller trucks that's I did the the GIS. So the trucks are in the garage, but just to show you the black top and the layout. >> Oh, so all the trucks will normally be in the garage

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>> except for the large tanker that does not fit the garage. >> Yeah. The other smaller trucks are in the garage. >> So, the storage is actually inside here as well as outside. Okay. All right. Thank you. >> So, it sounds like there's not going to be any transfer of fuel taking place on the

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site. Is that correct? >> Correct. So, the transfer happens down in Springfield into the trucks and then out of the trucks to customers at their site. But so nothing here

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except for like the fuel for heating the garage and stuff, >> right? Or if or if I like delivered we deliver at construction sites or if I sell it to myself for machinery and stuff like that, like on-site filling just like a normal to a house. But yes,

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the fuel is brought from the depot and then distributed. >> Is there gasoline on site to fuel the trucks for their travel? No. >> No, the trucks run on diesel. Nothing underground. >> There's no underground tanks on this site on either parcel for clarification

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or any plans to put any underground storage in. >> Anybody else have any questions? >> That's just to clarify. Um so there is there an existing permit to allow fuel storage on site and we're and are you coming here to ask us to increase the

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limit or are you asking for a permit? Is this the Is this the first time there you've come to us to ask for a permit? >> It's the first time that this all got discovered in part of the purchase that there was not a permit. I I can't speak

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for the Mackkins, but I think what had happened is they had the oil business since 19 34. The first oil truck was purchased. They bounced around in a couple different places like everything else. just bought the building, moved up the

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hill in 2011, probably got overlooked or oversight just thinking we were still moving the same business. We're a zoned industrial area and here we are. So, we came here knowing that there's not a special permit in good faith of, you

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know, this is what has been gone on, but we want to make sure and bring it up to to be compliant with you folks. >> You want to make it right. >> Correct. Thank you for the question. Any other questions? Um, I assume you have all the permits and everything you need to be

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storing oil trucks inside the building, fire protection, and working that out with the building commissioner. >> Yeah, that there's fire extinguishers and all that. The next step, if this happens with you folks, if it's approved, I have to then go to the fire

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department and work through all their regulations. >> And you might have to upgrade things in there. Is that correct? >> 100%. Yep. So, we're making things better. >> Yes. Do you have any questions? >> No. Now it's time. All right. Um, seeing

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no other questions, let's read into the record uh some things that that have brought to our attention and then I'll go out to people who are online. Go ahead. >> All righty. So we will start with a memo um from LOI's director of planning and

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development dated May 12th 2026. Um it's regarding review comments for the proposed sale and storage of fuel oil at 33 butternut recommendations. If the board is inclined to approve the application then the department of planning and development recommends the following conditions of approval.

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Provide a site plan identifying the intended location, quantity and type of fuel. All conditions recommended by the fire inspector, building commissioner, city engineering, conservation commission. A summary of the special permit application is the application under consideration was submitted by 33

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Butternut LLC for property located at 13 Butternut Street, Assessor's Map R5, lot 2028, which is located in the planned industrial PI zoning district for special permit pursuant to sections 200-4.2

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12 and 200-8.3 of the zoning ordinance in order to allow for the storage and sale of fuel. According to the applicants, the fuel will arrive on trucks. The trucks will be parked on site and then the fuel will leave the site on the same trucks. Fuel will not be transferred between them. Um

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zoning district 33 Butters nut street map. It just repeats the location and the above reference cross located within both the planned industrial and rural residential RC zoning districts. Properties surrounding the parcels are zoned as PI use.

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Bulk storage and/or sale of fuel or other fluid other than waste is allowed by special permit in the PI district. The site is currently used for the sale of fuel and according to the applicant, the site has been used for these purposes for decades. Site plan and office and parking lot

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and office and parking lot currently occupy the site and there are no proposed changes to the building or site plan. before you I just want to Ella um is this particular property also divided into both zones? >> No, that's incorrect.

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>> Let's clear the record of that. I think that was kind of for the other that project. Okay. So, this parcel is only is solely within the industry. >> All right. So, let's >> All right. So, we have a memo from the Department of Public Works dated April 29th, 2020 2016 uh 2026

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and there's no comment or issues with the proposed project. Um we also have a memo from Mark Snow made dated May 6, 2026. And this memo is regarding the 37 Butternut Street Green and uh I my

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apologies I cannot read to it. This memo is regarding 37 Butternut Street Greenfield. This parcel of land is in two separate zoning districts which we just said 37 is in two separate. >> Okay. So we we're not going to read that.

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>> Well, it's I think about both his comments. >> Well, he that's just the lasting which I'm going to read comments that are p that pertain to this application. >> I think it's only the first one, right? >> Yeah. So right now it says the site plan must show locations for the designated

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area for the bulk storage and or sale of fuel or other fluid other than waste. >> Um on the second page number one as >> thank you. Um board members may wish to impose a condition that any structure erected construct any structure erected

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constructed or brought onto the property must obtain the required permits from the appropriate department. But the second bullet on the first page is not relevant. >> That's relevant. >> That is relevant. >> Board members may wish to impose a

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condition that no contaminated soil or other contaminated materials are brought or stored on property. >> Is that pertaining to 37? or is it? Oh, general comments. >> These are general comments. And then the

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uh the applicant has filed an application under section 200-4.12 number nine for special permit to allow bulk storage and or sale of fuel or other fluid other than waste and additional details and busy plan are needed for this portion of the business.

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780 CMR Massachusetts state building code and 527 CMR Massachusetts fire regulations regulate and permit bulk storage and dispensing fuel and other fluids. Details are needed for the type of fuels and fluids that will be stored and dispensed on site. Applicants should

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contact the licensing commission agent to see if licenses for this portion of the business are required through the licensing commission. Well, again, >> well, this part is for this section. These comments below are in regards to the earth removal,

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>> right? But the second bullet on page one, is that relevant also? I think that's for the record. >> The site plan needs to be revised. The site plan needs to show and outline the work zones for each business area. The site plan should show measurements for

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each of those areas. Each area should be labeled for the type of work intended within that area. Thank you. And >> yep. And then a memo dated May 12th from Alex.

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The fire department has the following comments and questions regarding the special permit application above. >> Yep. And for fuel storage at this site, a permit and a license would be required depending on material and quantity as defined in chapter 1.12.850

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quantities, permits and license requirements under NGL148 that's also pertains to blasting. Additionally, we have a memorandum um from the Greenfield Conservation Commission regarding this uh application. The Greenfield Con, excuse

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me, dated May 14th, 2026. The Greenfield Conservation Commission made the following comments regarding the above reference special permit application to the DBA at its meeting on Tuesday, May 12th, 2026. Motion by Travis to send the

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conservation commission member comments to the DBA based on the discussion at the meeting. Um it was seconded by Erica and everyone agreed. Motion passed uh for to um no abstensions and no nays.

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The conservation commission made the following comments. There is an intermittent intermittent stream located to the north of the property boundary that has a 200 ft riverfront area. Existing and ongoing use is grandfathered under the wetland protection act. New work or expansion

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may require application to the conservation commission. If expansion is desired, a current wetland delineation will determine whether this location is within jurisdictional areas. Storage of hazardous material should be located

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outside of resource areas. One is And then we had one um one comment from a citizen.

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Bear with me. I did not print it out. So, we received an email dated from Princy thoughts dated June 5th, 2026. Ella, please forward this to the members of the Greenfield CPA to the Greenfield DBA. You will recall before last month's

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meeting, I had objected to the application of Ryan Giler. to operate a heating oil distribution business at 33 Butternut Street. With that application continued to your June meeting, I hereby withdraw that objection. Thank you. Francis K. Princ.

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>> Okay, that's it. >> And I believe that is everything. >> Great. >> All right. Now, I'll hear from members of the public. Anybody here live that wants to speak to this other than the applicants? Anybody online would like to speak to this application?

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Linda Singer, you want to speak to this application? Um, okay. Nobody wants to speak to application then. Um, any other questions for the applicant? >> I guess more you and the applicant. We're going to condition I think they're

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going to condition the application. Some of these I think we need to make sure it's clear that it's 33. >> Yes. And then there's going to be things coming out of Ryan's business with the the building department or whatever. We need to be clear that whatever comes out of that

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has to be put in place in order for the application that we're going to grant >> valid to be valid. >> Okay. >> We don't know that, but we want to make sure we're clear in our our our statements that whatever comes out of those meetings, you have to comply, but then keep the special proof.

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>> Great. That's good. So bold that thought we'll put that into the motion. >> Okay, great. Any any other comments? Any advice? >> Is there anything relevant to the conservation commission and the storage of hazardous materials? Are we in any kind of resource area of this? Are we completely outside of the the com's

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jurisdiction in terms of storing fuel on the site? The conservation commission did review the initial application and they sent a memo stating that existing uses uh I don't have the copy but and any expansion would require a review by

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concom but existing uses don't. >> Okay. >> Existing operations. >> Any other questions of the applicant? If there's not I'll close the hearing and we can deliberate. Do you have anything else that you want to say? thinking about what we've been talking about.

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>> I think [clears throat] that one thing I want to make sure that I touch on is diesel fuel, home heating fuel, kerosene. >> Those are the fuel. >> Those are the fuels. Yeah. >> Diesel, what kerosene? >> Diesel. Diesel fuel, home heating fuel. Like onroad diesel, off-road diesel,

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home heating oil, and kerosene. >> That's the storage aspect. >> Correct. Yeah. >> Not the other regulations about how to store it or safety measures. for the fire department and other and state law I guess. Okay, that's the

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>> I'm just a little unclear. I'm I believe that the application is asking for permit to uh for sale of the of these fuels on site. Is that am I wrong about that?

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>> It's bulk storage andor sale of fuel other fluid. So fuels would in fact be transferred if there's a sale, somebody comes. Is somebody going to drive up and say, you know, fill fill up my tank? >> No. No. That No, people don't. We're

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[clears throat] not going to have a retail c. We go to the customer with the trucks. >> So there's no on-site sale. >> No. >> So why are we permitting them or why are they before us for sale?

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Well, because but their business is to sell the fuel. >> So, um that's um >> Okay. I'm I just want I don't know. >> I mean, do we if we're going to be like if we wanted to look at like just the app technical, you know, nitty-gritty of

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it. He commented that sometimes he's got he's got a few storage of um diesel on site and sometimes he sells it to himself. So there would be in theory sale to himself and his own they bring their

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trucks there to put fuel in them. So technically that would that fuel would it would be a sale and it would be transferred fuel on site >> but it would be limited to your own vehicles that you're >> Is that fair to say? >> Yeah. We're right we're not trying to

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create a retail business where the truck is there and someone comes and gets 50 gallons or 25 gallons to put it in their house or in their tractor. where that's not we go to the sites to to fill. We just use the fuel ourselves on in the

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address >> the the zoning codes use that that like phrase sale or storage is from the the use >> of bulk storage or sales if you will. >> That might be where that word combination.

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>> All right. Yeah. It just I was just confused because I thought he said no, we're not going to be selling it other than to himself. So >> So is it I'm just asking a question, but it's probably the same special permit that would be used for a gas station. I

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don't think is it similar on your bylaws? >> Probably the same. >> Right. So yeah, I know where your question was coming. I'm just trying to vet this as we're where it's closed, but it's it's trying to cover all aspect

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where we're in one little sliver of it, >> right? I just didn't want to create a, you know, a new use for [clears throat] the for the facility. >> Yeah. I I actually think it might be a typo because on the original application

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that was submitted in April, it states and or sale of fuel. Storage and or sale of fuel. On this agenda, it just says, which I read, it just says storage and sale. It should say probably storage and or sale, but that's what the original

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application is for. If that helps, >> but he has a business that they have a business there. And the purpose of the business is to sell fuel oil to customers. >> Right? >> So the nature of the use is to sell fuel oil is to store and sell fuel oil to

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customers. So I think I would and now having said that so I think sales should be a word used in in our decision. However, if there are limitations that you would like to suggest like is this all whole well that's it's that no I don't know what the limitation would

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even be that they don't sell it on site or you know I what I just heard is that if there's not a difference between what Ryan's doing and a gas station, he probably isn't going to sell to anybody, but that would prohibit someone from

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going buy fuel. Obviously, from what I just heard, if you're saying it's the same as a gas station. >> No, I think that the the So, let's say the use is grocery store. >> Yeah. and somebody comes in and says they want to do a grocery store and the type of grocery store that they have

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that they want is what we can limit them to. So if you think that we want to limit the sale of fuel in a certain way, I would rather put that limitation into the decision, then take the word sale out of the use because the sale the the

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business itself, the use that they're employing is to sell fuel oil to other people even though that transfer of oil does not occur on site. But if you want to set a limitation that there could be no something on site, we could >> I'm just trying to understand the two statements that could be made.

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>> But does it does this make sense what I just said? >> Yeah. But I mean again, if we're going to do that, we got then have to make a statement that he we if we prohibit from selling it then have to say, well, he can't sell it to any other customer, but he can sell it to himself

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because he's still selling fuel on site. >> Yes, John. I'm just trying not to muddy the waters, but I just heard two authentic statements. You know, if they're not [clears throat] >> also home, so we selling oil to 200

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customers. It's not there, but it's sold from there. New >> I think it's the concern, I'm guessing, is the transfer of the fuel. A gas in a gas station, the transfer of fuel occurs on the site. So there's a

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lot more to be concerned about or think about. That's also a sale of fuel, but underneath the sale is a way of is a transfer on site. Here we have a sale of fuel oil. That transfer does not take place on site. Now Ryan mentioned something kind of on the side where that

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transfer might take place with the diesel or whatever, but there's going to be is there diesel fuel transfer when when the trucks gas up. Do they gas up on the site for diesel or they go someplace else to get their diesel? Currently they're they're getting they are getting fuel at the station. Trucks

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are not at 33. >> No. But to run the truck to deliver that needs diesel fuel. Where's that? >> They're buying that at the pump. >> At the pump. Somewhere else. >> At somewhere else. Yeah. >> Now, why is there diesel on site anyway? [snorts]

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>> They have off-road for I think some of the machinery. Correct. Michael. >> Yeah. motors >> and in that case there is a transfer of fuel on site. So there is some >> that's on 37. >> You have the tank at 33. There's a tank at 33,

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>> right? >> That is for diesel fuel for 30. >> But a transfer of fuel, a truck would come on 33 and get a fuel filter. >> Correct. >> Use of that truck might be somewhere else. >> But what's I'm getting very confusing.

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Okay. Uh we we have 37 Butternut Street, which is a a gravel pit. Yep. All right. We have equipment there. We would bring our truck to fuel the equipment there. >> You bring it to 33 >> to 37. The truck would drive onto the pit, the

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gravel pit to fuel. >> So then what are you storing diesel on 33 for if the 30 if the diesel's on 33? >> I would I would like to have because it's one of the products we'd like to sell. I would like to be able to have fuel on site where our trucks are having that 500gallon skid tank to be able to

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fill the trucks that go and do the deliveries instead. >> So that's a that's different >> buying it at the >> That's a different that's different than what they're doing. >> Yeah. Presently their their tank is with off-road. I want to use it for onroad for the trucks that

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>> But again, we're concerned about the transfer of fuel. Is it going to be on this? What is what fuel will be transferred on this site? the sale of fuel is your business, but I think the concern of the board is transferring fuel on site. >> I I think if so, from what I'm hearing, if you if it

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was something of no retail, no on-site re no sales or retail sales on 33 Butternut other than the uh fuel business or subsidy. So, I'm not

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trying to I'm just trying to I know what you're trying to say. I'm not I'm not looking for and I'm fine if there's something. I'm not looking for retail customers at 33 to come and buy fuel. That is not I want to because if we can

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buy on-road fuel, there's a cost savings if we buy it. And if we can have a holding tank to fuel ourselves, we are able to save some money. So that fuel is for ourselves. >> But it's not for it's not for sale. >> It's not for sale, right? So it could be

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ABC Fuel Oil is selling it to, you know, another entity that owns the There could be two different companies, but it's all within one one company that's using the fuel. It's not a fuel tank where someone's going to come and fill up their pickup truck and we charge them

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$75. That is not the intent. It's fuel for for the company within its cells. >> So is there a fuel tank on site that you will be fueling your vehicles from? There's an above ground 500galon skid tank presently there now that I would like to be able to use onroad fuel to

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fuel the trucks that deliver the fuel and that off. So all right so there is so you are gasting up trucks fueling up trucks on site from that skid tank >> our own vehicles. Yes. >> But that's not the selling of the selling of the fuel occurs off site >> right

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>> in terms of the transfer of that. So if if there be before why close the hearing, are there certain are there more questions that you want to ask the applicant about? So if you're going to condition it, the applicants can hear what your ideas are. I just have one question. You mentioned kerosene being

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stored and that wasn't something you had mentioned earlier. You had mentioned the uh the uh the diesel and the home heating oil and the and they were stored on the trucks, the skid tank, and then some hydraulic oil and engine oil, I think it was. But where's the kerosene stored? How much of that is there?

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>> So, the kerosene would be put in the trucks if you know I haven't dissected some of Michael's uh clients, but people that typically will draw or need have the need for kerosene or or people with outside storage tanks, trailer parks,

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etc. is common for that. Like last winter when we had a deep freeze, people like contractors were uh you know bus companies were adding kerosene to cut the fuel to to trucking companies to [clears throat] control the water and the freeze just due to temperature. So

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it's not something it's not stored on site. It's the trucks have multiple compartment the newer trucks have multiple compartments on them. So the truck might have 1500 gallons of off-road fuel, 1,000 gallons of kerosene. It's all within that. It's it's it's more of a a need when needed

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and not not a want. >> So, it's included in the overall >> overall, right? I might have just cut that out, but yeah, I just there's no gasoline. I wanted to clarify that. >> I get it. >> Okay. >> You satisfied?

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>> Yeah, I think it's okay. I'm going to close the hearing. [clears throat] We'll deliberate. So, uh, can I hear a motion to approve the application then with the language subject to conditions as follows and then we'll talk about it.

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Make that motion. You have to read it or if you memorize it. Didn't know getting myself into here. Just have to find another piece of paper. I make a motion to approve the

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application of 33 Butternut LLC for property located at 33 Butternut Street Assessor's Map R5 lot 28I, which is located in the planned industrial PI zoning district for a special permit

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pursuant to sections 200- -4.1.2 and 200-8.3 of the zoning ordinance in order to allow for the storage and sale of fuel with the following conditions that will be discussed. Thank you. Presently get a second.

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>> I'll second. >> Thanks, Peter. >> Did we want to change that to and or as Deon pointed out? >> No, I think I think and yeah, I think Unless unless there's a problem and then

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then we'll we we could affect them, I guess. But that's the application. >> Your storage is going to be happening no matter what. So there's not no war about that, >> right? >> Okay. So who wants it? >> Yeah. As I say, I'm I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. Just we need to make

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corrections of time. The original application from April says andor. So, are you good with that leaving the wording the way it was originally on the application? >> All right. Um, so you uh Okay. So, a friendly amendment

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would be then uh to amend both storage and sale to bulk storage and or sale. Anybody have a problem with that? >> No. >> It just means that technically maybe you're not storing it and you're just selling it. It's andor and that's not

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going to be the case, >> right? But it's and/or that means either applicable. So it can be and sale or it could be or sale. So what would is there a reason why if it was just or sale that you would not want to move forward with

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an approval under conditions? Well, if they're just storage and or sale, remember we're we're creating parameters of use. So, if we say and sale before the or the

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parameter is this big. If it's or it's this big, >> it's up to the applicant to decide whether they want to do and or or. Right. >> Yeah. I'm just trying to imagine a scenario where they're selling and not storing it. >> Doesn't matter. Is that what Ry is I mean we're we're

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amending his application. Are you comfortable with the andor is what we >> the andor is his application. This what's on here is doesn't have the same language as the application. So what Debbie is saying is let's make the application language model the

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application submitted. >> Yeah. >> Because I I believe that was probably taken right from the the zoning thing. So that way we're not all >> very delicate holes. Do you think that it was just a type of it was just is there some is there some meaning to the fact that the word and is there instead

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of andor from your memory? >> No, I don't think there's any substantive. >> It could have been just you you saw it as and and typed it in that way or >> Yeah. And or it seems like in the zoning code you could pursue both or you could pursue one of those. The one he's

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pursuing is both. Are you pursuing both? And you're pursuing storage and sale, correct? >> Yes. All right. So, let's let's leave it the way it is. Let's leave it the way it is in the agenda. >> I know the public hearing I believe I

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copied and pasted it out of the bylaw, >> which is Endor. Mhm. >> I I don't see I really think we're >> I I don't think it matters. >> I don't think it matters. >> No. >> So I that I just was we go

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>> or is this the applicant would like to have an let's let's give the applicant hand >> or let's talk about giving the applicant. >> And by the way we can or it would [laughter] sound we can or it ourselves. So we have that option. >> We have more than one or in the water. I have one more one more more than one ore

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in the water. Okay. So, anybody want to begin to talk about conditions? Let's do the easy ones first and that there's certain conditions that are more personal that would be better, you know, the flesh out, but the the obvious ones are pursuant to the site the three site

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plan or at least yeah, the site plans that have been presented at the meeting that would be incorporated as to location. Ella's memorandum. >> Ella's memoranda as amended to not include the other properties.

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Uh the building inspector's memorandum, those provisions that you read into the record. That's why I wanted you to read the last one into the record. The requirements of the uh fire department. >> Fire department. Yeah.

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>> Requirements of the licensing commission if any. and the requirements of the conservation commission. Um, so now we get more into the weeds. Should we be more specific about uh

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listing? What do you think, Ella? Is is his testimony about what he's going to do there enough to make a record of what fuel types and things are or should we make it more specific in the conditions that these are the fuels that he's

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requested to store? I think it's most helpful for the building department and the planning department when implementing the special permits when granting the building permits and comparing them to the special permits granted to delineate

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>> and that's a that that that would be a good place the conditions would be a good place to what fuels >> yes >> and the size that Ryan's asking >> so that the building inspector doesn't need to then go find a >> Right. Right. Okay. So, let's Would you want to repeat for the clerk the fuels

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that you're that you that you stated to us a couple minutes ago? Diesel. >> So, it's onroad diesel, off-road diesel, home heating oil, kerosene. Now uh what else? Oh

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>> diesel offro diesel home heating oil >> and kerosene >> in kerosene >> and the the trucks the truck sizes again. So the trucks that are being stored there are up to a maximum of 18,000 gallons. Is that what you're is

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that what you'd like it to like the terminal to say or total? Correct. >> So including the skid tank. Well, I was just going to ask that question. Yeah. Does that 18,000 include the fi the 500 that are gallons in the skid tank or does it not? >> I was not including that into into that.

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>> So, we can put a separate list of how many gallons would go into the other things that he listed. Right. Because there other there are other containers that are smaller on site, right? limit to 500 gallons um of skid

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fuel storage and that would be diesel on road >> correct that 500 gallon fill all your trucks if you need if you need that storage >> yeah that would last a week then you'd

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refill that after you use Did we miss anything? There's other Have we missed any of the other things that are stored? There was the uh you say something about motor oil, hydraulic fluid that >> Yeah, I just had those in there for

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things that are used in the the equipment in the truck. >> I'll put it in there. Well, if we list 50 gallons of motor oil then and he has 60 that tech I mean but >> is that more is like the most

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>> Those are items that are for use for us and not for not for sale. They're maintenance. >> Yeah, I was just I wanted to include that. So I need to include that with the fire department. >> So let's segregate that then. Uh

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this is for use of your equipment. Correct. That's kind of like in the category of the skin tank. >> Yes. But let's I'm not that familiar with this world, so I need help in but I guess if you itemize that and you have

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the meeting with fire department, will you be using the data that we're limiting to you, you know, special conditioning? I mean, does that create an application issue to meet the building department or the fire department? I mean I I I don't want us

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to condition something that becomes a problem right to go to the the fire fire department >> on the small ancillary things. I don't know the answer to that because this is like step one. I just wanted to let you know what was going to be there to you

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know to roughly for things that are used in the operation of the business not in the sale of the business. So I guess would that be bulk storage if it's used for the business rather than storing it for the kind of use like for heating oil? Is that still bulk storage?

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>> I think it's up for interpretation. >> So let's >> So I I was writing a comment here. Any additional fluid storage to to meet all licensing and regulations as outlined in the fire the Mark knows and police mess.

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>> Right. >> Could you read that again? um any additional fuel fluid storage to meet our licensing and regulation requirements as noted in Alex Pulley's memo and Mark Snow's memo

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because they both um reference specific regulations that had to be met which he would have to meet anyway even if he wasn't coming this permit he'd have to meet all of those regulations as part of his business >> right even if the use was allowed by right

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>> correct >> he would have you have to go and do all the same things they've been doing. >> So, I don't even know if we need to condition this to do that because he has to do that by law anyway. >> Yeah, that's what I >> that's what Peter was saying. >> So, we'll just take that out. >> Yeah.

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>> But we but but the type of fuel that's stored is important. Yes. >> Diesel, kerosene. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um now, let's get into the weeds a little bit more. How about um you know retail versus I mean they are conducting a

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retail business. So is there any is anybody have any concern about do we need to do we need to shrink that it's it's for the sale of heating oil off premises and that's how

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we we view it or can we leave it be? Is there any is anything that could happen there that might that we might be sad that we didn't think about? >> We could just write no retail sales allowed on premises or >> or sales for delivery only. Off-site delivery. >> Sales for delivery. >> Off-site delivery.

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>> Okay. Does that work? >> And if they need to change that down the road for whatever reason, they can come back at that point. >> So, we're not limited to it. They could always come back and ask for another permit later to alter that. [snorts]

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>> Any other conditions? >> Any other? >> Oh, no. >> All right. I'd like to go through I'd like to go through a little bit um as [clears throat]

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[laughter] so let's talk about the use and how we're able to give a special permit like does it meet the special permit criteria. So one of the first things is that even though not on this particular

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property but close by was a a fuel oil business. So the change the impact to the neighborhood based on the fact that that existed just next door doesn't seem to be that significant just from this point. It's on this corner to this. It's

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not like it's a homey type of business that's coming to this particular site. Does that make sense? >> Yeah. So the business has been up and running for on years on this location. There have been no complaints. There have been no issues with it. So it's >> I mean it's not grandfathered technically because this isn't the site

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in the home propite. >> So it's a chain it's they've moved it to this is another piece of land that did not use this for this particular purpose. So it doesn't have any grandfathering. >> They have been using the site that you've been using. >> Yeah, they have. But but you can't grant you can't >> No, I'm not saying it's a grandfathered

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condition. I'm >> No, you're saying that yes, >> it's not a detrimental impact based on the fact that it's been used this way for >> Yeah. On some levels, we don't love it that people are coming in after 20 years of use and their special permit, but they should have asked for it the first

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day they open. So, I'm not >> But we absolutely appreciate the fact that you came forward and said, "Hey, I think this needs to be fixed." >> Right. So, I mean, it's a yes. Nobody's complained, but also I don't want the public to think that it's okay to do this, >> right? Well, you we've had instances

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where people didn't realize Fort Dodge was an issue. >> And they when they found out, they came in. So there is no grandfathering and okay. So uh >> well the except for that as indicated by the uh >> conservation >> conservation committ where they said

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existing ongoing use is grandfathered >> under the wetland protection act. So I think that's what we're saying here. There is no consisting >> under their code. Yeah. The word grandfather works for them under our zoning code

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>> different. Well, the word has a more non-conforming, but pre-existing non-conforming is is the real way of expressing grandfathering on their zone. Uh the grandfathering for wetlands is just that maybe they feel that since

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there have been no circumstances that would warrant anybody going out there to inspect the property or is that why they would think >> um intermittent streams weren't regulated before 2011. But but the wetlands protection act we have no jurisdiction over that is irrelevant to

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the CBA. Well, we can make it a condition of the if the concom said that they need >> if the concom said that, >> but they're saying we're not because they feel like that started before they were and nothing has changed and there's been no release, so they're okay with

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it. >> Y they're not concerned whether it was a permitted use or not. They're just it's a use, >> right? >> Yep. and they're okay with it because pre it it it just got in under the wire

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it sounds like. Okay. Uh anything else? Anything else under the >> We're set. Okay. So, want to read the this Yeah, because I probably missed them because you guys you went way faster. Once again, I do not do.

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So um Charles did the things um per site land um we the motion to approve the application based on the site plans as presented in uh the June 11 20 26 meeting um per the conditions and

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requirements is outlined in the memos from the planning board and I did circle the the um the necessary items from the planning board um the two items under general comments and then specifically to 33 but um

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butternut from Mark Snow as well as the comments from um the fuel storage comment from Alice Poy's memo on May 12th and um I did circle two two items on the conservation commission that no that new

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worker expansion may require an application to the conservation commission I don't know if we really need to condition that and that surge of hazard material should located outside of resource areas. >> When you say planning board, you mean planning department?

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>> Planning and development. This >> Yes. Yeah. You said planning. It's not >> Oh, it just says planning development. Sorry. All right. I'll make sure they can still >> and um the fuels that will be on stored on site

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are onroad diesel, off-road diesel, home heating oil, and kerosene limited to a maximum of 8,000 >> 18 >> 18,000 >> Yeah. >> gallons of fuel. Um also >> for any one truck or for total? >> Total. >> Thank you.

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And there um we also are going to limit the skid fuel storage to 500 gallons for on-road diesel. And um this is for sales of offsite delivery only. >> Okay. Anything else? Yes, sir.

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>> Um >> I um just wanted to drill a little bit. I really appreciate the difference to staff recommendations. Thank you again with uh thinking about the building inspectors who will be looking at each of these memos when reviewing when a

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building permit comes or whatever it is that you're going to go for the building permit. I think it's really helpful to to actually pull out of this memo what it is that he needs to comply with. >> And I I I did if that helps you, I did circle that. I figured I would hand that to you to show you which ones. If you'd

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like me to read them, I can. >> Sure. Yeah. And I wonder you incorporate them in do do you think you want to incorporate them specifically into the decision or just refer to them? >> I think that they should be incorporated specifically into the decision and we should look at each one like so for in

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the planning departments my recommendation was provide a site plan identifying the intended location quantity and type of fuel. So that's already been done like that's not a condition of the special permit. He provided a site plan. you you can't the building department I don't know how

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they would administer that condition like thinking about how do we actually enforce the special permit it seems like this was for this was to >> so our refering to the site plans in

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already stated I don't need to then include that >> the reason >> those comments that from Mark >> exactly >> the reason that but >> let me go the other ction. >> Mhm. >> I want this site plan incorporated into the decision. >> Yes, that makes sense. >> Okay. And so

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>> since that already is >> so we're satisfied, >> right? >> That that that this site plan meets your condition. So that's what we're doing. That's that's why this is important so that nobody could come back and say you can't say well what's this? So

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>> but so one of the conditions is that it's according to the site plan. So I totally understand that. But then when we say it's also conditioned based on this memo, the recommendations are not conditions. They're recommendations for to inform your review. So you've checked

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this off. >> So basically my my suggestion at this point is that this is not a condition. This was to inform your review. Hopefully it did inform your review. It's done. >> Same with building and fire. I'd say if

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there's something that they can actually implement when reviewing their permit um like you could underscore that they need to comply with the fire code although again that's redundant but you could I think that that's something that staff can

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implement but the staff can't um >> yeah I I I see what you're saying >> but okay >> he like Mark Snow asked for details about the fuel which was just provided yes >> we don't need to refer to his memo anymore because we've already taken care of his concern.

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>> Yeah, that may be true, but until he gets all that and checks it off, I mean, you know, we've got a site plan. We've got that information, but he hasn't seen that in in total yet. >> But he can't change this special permit. nothing he can do con unless at the

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building permit level when he's enforcing the building code he deems it insufficient or he thinks that you're not complying with the special permit but the special permit itself

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he won't change it's only you that can change the special permit I think I think maybe you and I can have a discussion about to make this work better but my goal in this and the board's goal of this is to make sure that later we incorporate by reference

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everything that's possible into this decision so that if there's any question between us and the applicant not between us and the building inspector or the applicant and the building inspector but between us and the applicant for example when we had a situation where there was not going to be any noise and we were

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able to go back and put in the record that that the applicant said there wasn't going to be any noise that was that was an important piece so we incorporated by reference the whole application the that makes sense. >> Okay. So you said for example according to the applicant the fuel will arrive on trucks the trucks will be parked on the

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site. We're incorporating by reference that the applicant told you that and now we're relying on that to make our decision. So incorporating your opinion in there so that for the record this was said to us. This is what we believe to be the case. If if you and I want to

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work on this we could actually take that phrase out. we we could do it the way you're saying, but then we'd have to say this. So, we're kind of we're just saying, look, there's a whole bunch of stuff out there and we want it all to be incorporated into this decision because the zoning board did not do that in the

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past and there could be a question of whether or not what's in the application is something we relied on or not. This way, I'm just sweeping the whole thing. I'm taking I'm just grabbing everything putting it into the permit so that later if we have disagreement with the applicant I know that at this meeting we

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were including all this stuff. Now that may be different than what you're thinking about which has to guide you after the per after the special permit is is uh decided into enforcing it and to interpreting for your sake how to deal with the applicant. And that's a

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good point. But from our point of from my point of view to begin with, we do this so that there's no we don't want anything left out of this permit that we later have to use to defend our decision. That's right. To go along with it, that's what I was getting at early

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part of the conversation. We compile all this stuff, have it have this be brought to the building inspector or other parts of the department to coordinate the you know. So I I I'm >> I mean we understand >> practice in the past I'm confused now. I mean I've practiced in the past is to do

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exactly what you said. >> You're confused by Ella's >> Yeah. I mean I or if that's what's going to happen you're going to have to work out a different logistic of how we condition stuff. >> Correct. That's what I'm saying. >> I'm happy to do that. >> But you see what I'm saying? It's it's the orientation. Your orientation is the

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applicant's now passed special permit. Somebody else is sitting in your chair. The building inspector wants to know what to do. The applica the special permit should be clear. What am I? What am I? >> Right. Like for example, my my memo had two inaccuracies. One was that the that it's in two zoning districts. So that

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was inaccurate. And the other one is that there's absolutely no transfer on site. There is some transfer on site. So the record is now muddied by referring both to the applicant's proposal at the meeting and my memo. So we can follow up with this later, but I think it is

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important uh for to establish the facts that your decision is based on to be very clean of what those facts are and I don't think they should be my memo. They should be what's proposed at the meeting. Are we able to put in our verbiage that our

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decision was, you know, we made our decision based on, you know, memos presented and and discussion at the meeting >> and that kind of encompasses all of this verbal our meeting notes. >> All right, let me let's let's do this.

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You are now entering the world of what the board has had has h has we remedied a situation by doing what we're doing now. The situation was that we were we we weren't able at the meetings to do what you're asking us to do. So we

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decided because we got burned on an application >> to incorporate everything by reference so that it's in there >> so we can find it. Mhm. >> Going to the next level of clarity is what you're asking for and I'm happy to work that out with you and I'm happy to guide the meeting that way. >> Okay.

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>> But I wasn't prepared to do that. >> So let's I think what Peter's saying is let's do what we did so that we get we bring everything in [clears throat] >> and then uh from now on you and I will talk about the different relationships and how the zoning board can better um

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incorporate or speak to those kinds of things. But right now, I think we're saying cuz what Peter's concerned about is the building inspector hasn't done anything yet. We're not past the building inspector so that he'll be confused. We're before the building inspector. So, we're trying to say the building inspector when you look at this, you got to look at all this is how

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this is what guided us to make this decision. So, you can decide what to do, but you're being guided by the fact that we put it on you to make these decisions. We put on the con to make and that's that's what we're doing, right? >> I'd like to add one thing to that. We've had in the past the building inspector bring us information that got brought

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forward. But we had other entities that impacted what the building inspector said he wanted and as a result of our deliberations, we incorporated this with what the building inspector brought to us and those were reconciled after the permit was given.

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>> And you think that's okay? >> Well, no. I mean, I'm just saying >> I'm not saying it I'm but >> that worked. I guess it worked out. If that isn't what you want, I think you're going to need to work out that logistic before it comes before us. And I'm not sure you'll ever be able to do that because things are going to happen at this meeting that won't fall in line

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with that process. >> It just means paying special attention. >> Yeah. Yeah. And that that >> it's an orientation. Right now, the orientation's just been to throw everything into the soup and make a big stew. Right. >> But that's not the applicant doesn't need to. [laughter] >> Right. >> He just wants to get a special permit.

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>> Right. But you're So Ellie, you understand? or maybe we can talk about it more, but that's that's what that's what we're moving on. So, we're going to keep doing what we've been doing for this particular permit. So, those conditions will stay as we stated them and we'll iron it out later, but thank you for your recommendation and it's a

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good insight. Um, are there any other conditions? We have you read all the conditions in I don't >> Well, I thought I I I I did, but if you'd like just to be make sure we're a little more clear, um like I can read

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the items from Mark Snow's and Alex Pulley's memos that I was I was looking at. Okay. >> Yeah. So um from Mark's memo would be the um to um that any structure erected, constructed or brought onto the property must obtain

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the required permits from the appropriate department and no contaminated soil or other contaminated materials are brought or stored on the property. Now there are more things on here. Um, I I can read them in just about things that he's going to need to do for the

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building inspector, but I don't think those are necessarily conditions because that I think falls under Mark Snow's curvey >> in regard to additional plans and things that he's going to need. He did ask about details for fuel types and and fluids, which we did list for Mark.

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>> The other one's just about details on a busy plan. >> So, that one in particular can be deleted because we've done it. So, now Mark doesn't have to guess. he knows from the special permit what we're permitting. So that's a good that's a good way of that's a good point. >> I mean that's it for much snow. And then

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off of Alex's um memo just um it comments about a permit and a license would be required depending on material and quantities as defined in chapter 1.12.850 quantities permits and licensing requirements under MGL148.

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And again, I would say that that's not necessarily conditioned from us. That's part of the rules and regulations that he would need in order to be allowed to do what he's doing. >> Mhm. >> So, I think that's it. >> Any other comments from members of the

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board? All in favor, please say I. >> I. Any opposed? Any abstensions? Let the record show was unanimous. Congratulations. >> Thank you. Now I don't know you're you know how the work right the way this the

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decision will be >> 21 days >> well the the decision will be typed up by Ella reviewed by me then signed by everyone and then submitted to the clerk and the day it's submitted to the clerk there's 20 days on which includes weekends

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when you can when someone else can appeal the decision you're satisfied with the decision so you're not going to appeal someone someone could appeal the decision After the 20 days are up, that's that except for special circumstances.

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The statute of limitations is up. All right. Good. Okay. Thank you. Congratulations. Thanks, John. Thanks, Mike. >> All right. Um, may I hear a motion to approve the

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minutes? A motion to approve the minutes from March May 14. >> May 14th. >> May 14th, 2020. >> Did someone like you to second my motion? >> Someone second.

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>> You got it. Last meeting. Yeah, they're saying thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Michael. Did I hear a second? >> Yes. >> Any questions? Two. Second and a third.

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Yes. Second and a third. >> Anybody uh anybody have any comments about the minutes? All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Any extensions? Let the record show as unanimous. Okay. Before we adjourn, like to say

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some words about Peter. It's Peter's last meeting. will be missed. So, Peter, you know, I I know I speak for the entire board when I say thank you for all your years of service.

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Your special knowledge as an engineer assisted the board in on many occasions, I have to tell you, and was very helpful to me as chair. Your steady voice, intelligence, and sensibility anchored the direction of the board in many of its decisions, and I thank you for that.

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Um, I've enjoyed personally working with you and I'm grateful to know you. >> Thank you very much. >> My pleasure. >> Yep. And I'm wishing you only the best in ZPA retirement. [laughter] >> Anybody else want to say anything? >> One of the things I can say about being on the board, I used to I've seen parts

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of Greenfield had I not been on the board, I will never have seen. >> Yeah. I'd be the places I did not know existed. >> How many years has it been, Peter? I'd say maybe eight or nine. >> That's what I thought. I thought this was the end of your third term, but you were on when I came on.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, I've been around parts of Greenfield. Like I say, if I had not been on the board, I would have never thought to go there. So, >> yeah. >> And I met a lot of interesting people in the process through the through the visits on site. >> I'll just add thank you very much for your service. It's what makes these

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towns run. It makes it's what makes this democracy run. I think it it's what makes this country run as volunteers like you. So, thank you. >> Yeah, I I must say I I it's been rewarding, you know, working, you know, probably probably my most enjoyable one was a song.

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>> Yeah, that that was that was that was >> you told me that [laughter] I'm saying that they haven't broken ground on that thing yet. >> Yeah, I I drove by there and I'm like I doesn't know they've done anything. >> Well, they better do something before How long it's been for like years. No,

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it's No, it's a year. Well, a year would be the safest bet. >> Yeah. >> We permit them in June, right? >> Yeah. The end of June. >> So, they got to come back if they don't break ground soon. >> No, they have to get a building permit. >> They have to pull a per, >> right?

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>> They have to build. >> Um, anything else you want to say? >> I've enjoyed working with you. >> We get to do one more motion before you get up and go. >> I'll make a motion to stand at the beach. >> [laughter] >> translated that means to adjourn. That's

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right. I'll second it. All in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed? Let the record shows amendment. Thank you everybody. X speeding in July