I'm calling this meeting of the appointments and ordinances committee to order. It is 6:35 and we are recording the meeting. If anyone else is recording the meeting, please let me know. And
is remote. Thank you all for being here in person. Okay, let's do a roll call. Council Gordon here. Yes, I council is here as well. May I have a motion to accept the minutes? So
and I'll second any discussion. Okay. Really? And uh Mark uh all those in favor I I kne
Can you do a motion reconsider on minutes? Wouldn't that be obnoxious? Yeah, that would be obnoxious. It is also kind of strange that we're so big. I can turn this off. You can hear you see on there if someone comes. Okay, thanks. That's great. I
would re I'll turn the TV on if Well, they can still see us. We just can't see them. Got it. So, we're good. That makes sense. Okay. Yep. And we need to see them. There's public comment. There's no one waiting is here. No one is here. All right.
Public hearings. There are none. Although I will say that we'll likely have several public hearings next month as pieces are ready to go to page. So I'm going to take the appointments first and then we go into the discussion
about the ordinances. Then we'll talk about the cultural council pieces. Okay. So, someone do this on page 25. Um, order number FY25105
that the city council moved it be ordered that pursuance section I'm sorry to charter section 210 affirms the following appointments and reappointments by the mayor. Cable advisory committee Andrew Curran term to expire December 31st 2028. Council Mijing Margaret Salmir term to expire
December 31st, 2028. Sustainable green field implementation committee Nancy Hazard term to expire December 31st, 2028. Majority vote required. Second session. Um, the only person I know the name of is Nancy and she's awesome.
Yeah. And I'm grateful she's going to continue to serve my people. Great. And I'm sure the other people are also awesome. Yep. Gratitude is always Oh, this is teacher. Hi. Hi. Hi. Okay, so we are joining.
Okay, great. And thank you. Okay. So, can you bring up the cultural puzzle pieces first? Hello everyone. Um, do you want me to give a little spiel about it or do you just have any questions you like to start with or is there a spiel that you'd like to give?
Sure. I'll just give the just the backstory on why these are coming forward. Um, so these are Greenfield's two arts and culture committees. Um uh for anyone that might be watching this later, just to distinguish the nuance between these two, the local cultural council gives funding to all of
Greenfield, events and programs that take place in all throughout Greenfield and even events that might take place in Monu but might be um frequented by people from Greenfield. Um and then whereas the crossroads cultural district committee only um funds events and creates programs within the cultural
district which is basically downtown what you think of as downtown. Um and so starting with the local cultural council, it's been operating for quite a while. It's operated under this like the state's rules around local cultural councils. It's never been created officially as a greenfield ordinance. It
doesn't technically need to, but it really helps make sure everyone knows the procedures and just makes things nice and clean. So that's what that ordinance is, the proposed ordinance is. The other one is the Crossroads Cultural District Committee, which is a little more tricky. Um the culture district was
designated in 2016. Um and there was a committee set up a few years prior in order to pursue that designation. Um and it was set up kind of how the library building committee or the fire station building committee are set up where their project duration appointments. It's supposed to be a limited time
committee that gets disbanded at the end of the project. the project being uh receiving the culture district designation. Um that didn't happen. This committee kind of pseudo morphed into just being the committee that oversees the district when really it should this should have happened a long time ago
where like a committee was actually set up where there's uh appointments that have three-year term limits. There's like a natural rhythm. People feel like they need to step off. They have a term limit that um be like, "All right, I'm I'm done, guys." Um whereas right now there's a number of members that have
been on it for at least 10 years now. Some of them is just terms but several of them have felt burnt out and because there's like no natural rhythm to it. It's it just created a situation where um it's it's really hard
to manage the committee. There's it's also like an odd number not odd number the opposite of an odd number. It's a 10 member committee right now. So you need six people for quorum, but you don't have 11 people to pull from. Uh so a bunch of wonky things. So this sets it up kind of very similar to the style of
the local cultural council. Same number of members. Um and besides that, it's kind of just the basic way you'd set up committee lays out its power and duties to oversee the district. Um so yeah, nothing too crazy here. Um, other I did
look into it. Other um, towns and cities across Mass obviously do have cultural districts. Um, and many of them have these committees kind of set up the way this one is. Um, there's other ones that have like partnerships, but that's kind of more involved in like for like bigger cities like Boston, like they have
several culture districts in Boston, I believe. But, um, this this setup should work pretty well for Greenfield. Thank you for figuring out we had no law establishing. Um, so that's appreciated. And just one question I have just right
off the bat is um you said there were 10 current members. This is going to have six. Is it just going to be attrition? Uh, okay. So, yeah. So, there's a so the for each of these it's kind of a different situation with I'm I'm sorry to be clear. The crossroads cultural committee. Yeah. Yeah. Um, for for both of them though. So, for the local
cultural council, the current members that are on it are going to continue to stay on it. Um, technically that one the way it's set up right now is with nine members at the state level. Um the state reviewed this and they're okay with it. So it's going to be shrinking to seven. Um but there's not there's nine seats, but there's not actually nine people on
it right now. So no one's getting kicked off of that one. The culture district committee, um this is basically an entirely new committee. The the old project duration committee is considered defunct now. Um it's disbanded. So members that are inclined to continue to serve on it can put their name forward
to the mayor's office just like they would for any new committee that gets created. So, and it looks like there's on the website it looks like there's actually two vacancies on that, but it doesn't matter. We're just banning the whole thing. Yep. And I know for a fact that a number of the members that are
technically still on it don't want to be on anymore. They're they're only there so we can continue to have I imagine they're not like going to fight each other to the death for one of those spots. Great. I'm just curious, this is also about other organs, but if just very
briefly, you could speak to the funding and the budgets. Sure. Uh the local cultural council. Um so for both of them, it it really depends on state budget. The Mass Cultural Council receives money from the state budget as well as a few other different funding
sources. Um but for the local cultural council, the last few years it's been around 20,000 each year. Um, and that gives uh gets regranted to different organizations and a lot of actually kind of smaller projects like $500 artist projects. Um, there's not a lot of avenues for those people to get those
things besides local cultural councils. Um, so it's been a really successful program throughout the state. The Crossroads Cultural District um has been getting 15,000 every year. Um, and for the most part, the local cultural council is very focused on regranting.
The Crossroads Culture District ideally would kind of be doing some of its own projects as well as regranting a little bit to other organizations. Um recently they've been solely regranting uh but I think a successful committee will be putting on some of its own events and own arts projects and getting murals
painted downtown using that funding. Absolutely. The TV bank for example. Exactly. Right. Yep. Thank you. Awesome. Makes sense. Yeah. This feels like it ties nicely on the data talk. So our process will be that for the city
press next month there will be a public hearing and then so now is June and July will be the public hearing. So then it'll likely be um voted on by council next month. Great. Yep. That that lines up pretty well for the local cultural
council's um process. They're going to open applications. So the statewide application opens in September. So that we'll be able to I think in that time frame get some new people appointed to there's a few vacancies on that one as well and get get the one filled up in time for them to be voting on the projects. Perfect. It's maybe an obvious
question. It sounds like you're on this committee. I'm not manage kind of letting them exist. Yeah. So the uh so obviously the economic development department um uh liazes for a number of the city's committees including these two. So that's my role here.
Thank you. Yes, thank you so much. Thank you. Have a good night. You know, I'll stick around for for Amy's section because I'm also the parking coordinator from the city. So, yeah, maybe there's still nobody.
I appreciate you asking because otherwise I could miss I just want to make really sure that violating anything. We're good. You're good. Okay. I'm here for Hello. the parking benefit district. So, I'm happy to give you a spiel or just answer questions,
however you would like to. And what is handle it? What is the parking benefit district, you ask? Um, so the parking benefit district, this is an ordinance that was initiated originally by councelor Healey. Um, and what the parking benefit district does is it
defines a geographic area and takes the parking revenue from within that area and directs it back all or a portion of it into um parking improvements and streetscape improvements within that area. Couple of things to note is the
revenue that it is allowed to take is revenue from parking meters, kiosks, and passport app. It does not take parking ticket revenue and we're not taking a permit revenue. Um, and so the border that we have drawn is
um the downtown commercial core, the central commercial district, which is where all of the paid parking is. Um, and the mayor has agreed. So, you can take either all of that revenue or a percentage of that revenue or a set dollar amount. It's up to however you
set up your ordinance. The mayor has agreed um to seed that with $50,000 from existing parking revenue fund that is accumulated and then every year just want to make sure to add 10% of the parking revenue again that authorized
parking revenue um into this fund. It's a minimum of 10%. So it could be more. Yes. So collectively we all agreed on 10. And then the idea is um as you make improvements, as you do beautifification with these funds, you attract more people to come downtown, which means
more people park and the revenue grows and then um that gives the city flexibility to add more revenue if they want. We didn't want to set that percentage too high and box the city into a place where um they needed that revenue for something else. Um 10% felt
like a great place to start. And then the ordinance lays out how we would oversee that. So it would be a collective effort that would involve um my department, the DPW, the rec department, and the Greenfield Business Association. Um we would all sort of collaboratively come up with a
prioritized list of projects that we wanted to use those funds for. We would once a year run those projects by the parking and traffic commission to let them weigh in. Um we would gather public input on what those projects could be and then we would make them happen
um based on our budget availability. It's like a mini CPA except with parking bit but with parking revenue. Yeah. But we als unlike CPA, so the parking benefit district, we aren't going to be putting out calls and asking people to submit ideas. Um we're going to
internally generate our own ideas for this one. Again, with those departments who are sort of all the department, the recck department and my department tend to be the um beautifification folks. And then DPW is there to make sure that we don't um do something that's going to impose a tremendous cost or um
maintenance burden or um knowing there might be changes coming to Main Street. We don't want to spend a lot of money installing something that's going to have to get taken off in you know two years. I love this. I'm so glad that it was initiated. I think it's great. I mean we're always hearing so much from people
about downtown and we need to make it better and who is working on downtown. It's like this is a very concrete way to actually work on downtown and to show people that we are invested like figuratively in it. So I think the the story and the narrative is as important as the dollar amount to show that the
city is actually putting some dollars and some um intentionality behind it. And I think it seems like those are the right people at the table. A few questions and I totally agree. This one's just like basketball. No, it makes it that way. Um,
questions. One is in the part 2B it says that the funds may not be used for events and I was just curious. Um, mostly it comes from the items that
are identified by the state statute. Um, they don't call out events as something that you can do. It's um parking infrastructure, streetscape or streetscape beautifification, something like that. And so we didn't want to set this up and give anybody the idea that
they could do like a downtown I don't like like this can't be used for pride or something. Um, I suppose if you decided you really wanted to throw it like let's celebrate parking in Greenfield and do an installation in a parking space, but it it's supposed to
be um parking related somehow making it nicer to park downtown or nicer to get out of your car or more accessible or whatever, but it's it's not um sort of a freeforall placemaking. It's okay. It's a little more specific than that. Got
it. Okay. Beautifification, yes. Events, no. Got it. That makes sense. Okay. Um my next question was when I hear joint approval of these different department directors and like how does that happen? Because people might have different opinions. So they absolutely do but if
it doesn't have joint approval then what happens is the idea happens and then somebody you know what I what I wanted to avoid was um DPW in particular having a a thing thrust on them that they didn't have the chance to
weigh in on. So, it will literally be us sitting around a table or on a Zoom call um making sure that we're all okay with the ideas. And I really I think a lot of them will be either things like trash cans or things like flowers or public
art. Um I don't think they're controversial things. I think they're just things that like I want to make sure that Marlo knows that or that I'm using the type of paint that's okay on the sidewalk. I don't think he's going to care if I'm painting a flower or whatever. But I think we each have our
lames. Yeah. Um Okay. But I thought it was important for us to all be on the same page before we moved the project forward. That's great. So in there any anyone would object? Absolutely. Okay. So
consensus. Yes. Okay. Got it. Um what does 10% the parking amount to? What what what does that amount? 300,000. $300,000 10% the total for
so 10% of 30 bill should have brought that do you know off the top of your I didn't know it's okay if you don't know nope give me a minute because I had let me see if I brought it with me from when I was at economic development last year the see for FY4
the total allowable parking revenue was 244,500 unchanged. So this is at least 20. Yes. Assuming that parking tracks the same. That was pretty high as compared to the
past few years, but also the past few years included COVID. So Got it. Um yeah, I mean it's not a huge amount, but yeah, I mean it it's it's not a huge amount for parking infrastructure type things. um it's not
going to give us like 15 in kiosks or whatever, but it certainly can go a long way. Um and again, I think at least while it's getting going, the story is as important as the dollars and the commitment to do it and set the
precedent and let us um try. Okay, cool. And just this is more of a why not why not take a premise? Why are those not included? Because the state doesn't allow you to include them. Great. I think they don't want to try. I don't
want a city incentivizing um collecting more parking tickets and parking fines. That's not exactly the narrative that you want to sell. So, it's just we want you to come down and actually pay for your parking legally and then we'll buy
flowers with your dollars. Awesome. Got it. I kept I had a question. I read it. question. So, yeah. So, same thing. It'll this will come for a hearing
next month and then it'll likely be great. Thank you all so much. Thank you. I'm just writing a note to myself about what needs to come for public. Excellent. Good night. Good night. Thank you. Enjoy
the sunshine. It is Christian blasphemy. Your preference. Would you like us to talk a bit about like we talk the process and where we're at the beginning of the discussion before like heading into That's your preference. That's fine. Yeah. Quick recap. I mean, also I
think for the people who might be like watching one meeting and not another, it's probably a good idea to really quickly. Okay. Yeah. So, I'll just like for to not have to figure out how to summarize, I'm just going to name the
things that are on page 30 of the agenda um and what we've agreed to until now for our process. Um so we have set as guiding principles equity enforcability and expense and have some guiding questions with those.
Um Quinn Jaclyn's the pronunciation how you pronounce last name Jack you too the assistant city clerk has made a spreadsheet that we're using to track the ordinances. Um we asked the
city department heads to review the ordinances and propose amendments. Most of them have submitted also committee chairs. Um there's a couple that are still coming in. There will be the demolition review that the historical commission is still working on. Yes. I
went to that meeting and they really had a very fuzzy timetable on it. like the person working on it also is a very small baby. It was basically like I'll get to it and I you know so I think that the plan was to have it by the fall like is what they were talking about. So I
don't expect to see that space. Um I have something coming in just came to me today on the wetlands ordinance. Um so but most of them we have received and we'll look at today. Um, I sent a letter
to the editor letting people know about the process. One thing that I've realized back in March, one thing that I have realized is that some people are misinterpreting the process thinking that like this is the only time we can review ordinances. And I just want to state for the record that is not the
case. This is just the year that we're charged that's reviewing ordinances. But ordinances can be updated and proposed any. Um so we all three of us agreed that we will
aim to have the ordinances in general in the legis general legislation part by at least one of us and we'll aim to split up responsibility for that. I'd love to talk about that um today. um
and also formation of the committee because people have left and are coming in. Well, I'll just say with that um I believe that um so councelor Bottomley left the committee and will be chairing ways and
means um and yeah and um uh I President Juan Delowski has asked counselor Bulock to serve. I believe that she might say yes but may not be with us through the summer months
because she has a other commitment. So it's us. It's us and also that when Sheila Sheila resigned. Oh, we're appointing a replacement. Yeah, we've got one name. So Patty
Williams likely if she is or whoever is appointed to that seat likely to join. Um um as we discern is necessary each can and reach out to people we consider experts on the various ordinances
um that we choose to be responsible for um we will communicate through the clerk's office in accordance with the meeting law. Um and we will work to make changes on our
own and bring them to the meeting once we are ready for discussion. Um, and everyone knows change. She fires a council sponsor. And I will say that for things that feel
really easy, like the cultural council piece, I'm not being dogmatic about it, like I could say sponsoring. You all could say you're sponsoring. So if it's for anything that feels somewhat complicated that this feels
quite um there is there will be times when we do sure. Okay. So the piece around feel like the us talking about what we take on together how we wait like how we're
splitting up the rest of things. Will we wait to the end of this conversation? That sounds good. Okay. Um, so I'm happy to guide this discussion. I've given thought to these different pieces. Um, so we can go next to page.
So I recommend on the computers having I mean I have it. This is helpful to have open um the ordinances the ecode. I would say I have the my agenda open. I'm just recommending this. I have my agenda open and then I also
have the code open. Not the drive thing. No, I also I also do have that eco360.com. Yeah. Yeah. And for folks who are watching, you can find the e code just by brain mae code. Google that and
you'll find the eco360.com. Um yeah so these were the changes. So I'll also say that as I think through these pieces there are some pieces that different departments are proposing
changes are proposing changes to them and I want to make sure that when they come to the council they have all the changes at negative one. Um these there may I think the rec department did propose a change to one
of these numbers and that's later on and later on and we can look at that um when we get there but these are changes from the planning department and they're relatively
minor um eliminating bodies that don't exist like the Mon transportation authority that um uh changing permits manager to
conservation agent change city changing the pills process first I want to name minor subjective but um what's that said minor I call them all subjective so Catherine says they're
minor doesn't necessarily mean they are minor that other people would make. Um well like I think the appeals thing it doesn't it actually makes it more um just details about what the process is more than it looks like it changes
anything. Yep. I would agree with your subjective opinion that's minor changes. Yeah, just look through the rest. My mind we had our own transportation authority to town. It's just like Connecticut's got
all the buses run by the state. Like why don't we do that? I know the regional transit authority thing is wacky. It's the Republican governors in that case. Any thoughts about this? We need to discuss a little more. No, none of this
looks substantive. Ready to move on to the council on aging? So this is an update of their my in reading it I I think I did email them on I haven't heard that but that may be
inaccurate. um the kind of proposing to strike through the current council on aging ordinance and replace it with the one that they amended in June on June 18th, 2024. Um with the language that's in the packet
tells substantial. Yeah, it's true. That's right. It's really hard to know if it's not clear what's being changed. And I think that for me at least, I mean,
I did look at both quickly, but to me it's like what matters more than substantial or not substantial. It's like, does this look good? Does it fit our principles? Right. Right. Right. Exactly. Does this does do I is there anything that I question in
this any of us questions in this? an I question in this. Yeah, it looks like there's lowering the maximum number of members which I think makes sense. Yeah. Um
but same minimum question council on aging ordinances require a twoth3 majority they issue their own internal ordinances that's article five there yeah so COA ordinances require two3
majority it's talking about like the voting article oh wait article five article five yeah voting in The last sentence of that section COA ordinances change which requires authority. So that to me that says they have their own internal code
which is odd. Are those considered ordinances or policies? People maybe they should call their policies ordinances. It might be worth just changing that to policies unless there's a reason to have it as the word ordinance. Yeah. I yeah, I have a question about that because it's not I'm
I'm not reading every single word here, but uh ordinances is not the wording in the original in the code currently. I think it could have just been like they wrote the word ordinances at the top and just in their mind or something like
Right. You know what? Um but it's worth asking. Does one of you have the ability I'm not connected to the internet. Does one of you have the ability to email them right now because I'm not sure what I'm not certain exactly right but
it would be the name of correct yeah I'm just thinking I was like you want to be do that because my my list with or is so big but also I know your plates are so full it's like a quick it's a quick it's better
Mer. Um, and I'm going to look up in my email. Hope Mary is the staff director. Yeah. Well, that's the staff contact, right? Yeah. Sal is the chair. Do you have her email address? No. Hope is what
his email address is in here. So, let's email it. Do you have I'm just reading through the rest. See if there's any other Yeah. language. Yeah, article 9 also refers to each
section as an ordinance. So I think it's just simply a grammatical incision for lack of the word a better phrase. These sections or the above article.
Yeah. And that that's it sounds I think we do. Are they confusing ordinances with bylaws? No, I think you mean this they in the original code that's what that's the wording under
that was bylaws. This is from 1967. I had a long had a long time with Quinn yesterday about ordinances and I talked with Kathy today about ordinances and one of the things I was like can we do a global change to the charter and code updating by law ordinances and and and
she was like take that on is like a comprehensive like search of it is just so much work for like we don't have the capacity to do that. So AI should be able to help us do that. Yeah. The one good thing it does right. Anyway,
that's what I thought of like is that not the exact I'm going to invest my time on or something. Exactly. Exactly. So, that is not happening currently, but we will just continue to make those small changes as changes come forward. So, yeah, it sounds like what's in five
and what's in nine are referencing each other. Just making minor tweaks on that. Yeah. email. Yeah, I'm not quite sure what my question is, but Oh, I would say maybe something like section five and section 9 reference
that COA ordinances require twothirds majority vote. Are you do you mean to say that this ordinance for them to propose a change to this to this or to this whole policy? Right. I didn't think of also being passionate. They can't
change the ordinance about city council. So is that what they're meaning that they can they need to propose a change to this whole thing? They need the two jury they mean something else. I don't think that I imagine it's about just
that's what they mean. Yeah. Policies. I think that's the way they tend to use section five and I think in section nine the net articles these articles or any section They just started using the word ordinance mean like this is a loss that
which is fair you know it's like not lawyers you want to let us know about that you can go to in case you guys are wondering no it is still I'm like very like Maybe just doing that at the ordinance
sheet ordinance went through and took on like 30 out of the 99 bless you to think it's kind of simplifi And I like took a lot of one time things that have some similarities to them. But
my name Oh yeah, I looked at all the streets and sidewalk stuff. If I have Oh, that's I got to do that. [Music] uh animals and alcohol beverages. We'll meet some take those on
soon because there's requests coming through but I can share more about that. Not that spreadsheet. The single use carry out bag sling. I had a constituent like last year. Yeah. On the carry single use bag slit mentioned an a
problem he had because it was on SNAP benefits. Is this the appropriate time to mention this? I can also we I asked Kathy the process of everything. I was like did we have to talk about it just at the beginning? She's a bigger than so on stems standard snaps rather and he
was unable to get a plastic bag in Carol's grocery because the ordinance says you have to pay cash. So like EDT benefits don't work for plastic bags. So you have to like scrouch for like a dime or whatever.
And so that's I think a small that would be a great change um to make it so like either fees are waved for somebody using an EBT or SNAP benefit or you know and this was at big so maybe some other stories you know are different but this apparently
happened at big trail and so that's just something that was brought to my attention that felt like a I was going to take up this one but I'm grateful you are and I'm very happy you are. Um, but I just wanted to mention that because I think that's that's a economic justice
issue, right? Like if you're, you know, food stamps shouldn't be having a drown for a ding car of groceries. Yeah. Plastic bag. I also have noticed there's definitely people that use plastic bags in town. It doesn't seem to get in trouble at all.
The enforcement mechanism. That's the big question. Yeah. I saw my Yeah. email. Yes. Thank you very much. All right. Parking permits. Um any
city council permits? Yeah. I don't really have anything to say about it on page change it works 40 like how there was previously the ability to punish someone by taking
away their property. I voted the city council but this truck through section 685 like just with a petty authority, you know. So it's like they could just do that without any Yeah. Oh, it's still in there. It's
under section section 684 C. city council president can deem a necessary vote permit due to use system of chapters. So if someone's like parking on sidewalks like I wrote a council for you can still
which is fair. Yeah, totally fair. That's fair. The only time I've ever used it back to be able to do that. Any other comments on on this one? Unless we ready for public hearing next
um just making sure okay I'm going to tell okay so then we go to all right um rules of procedure
I am going to sponsor this speech changes and I am going to read this through um see if there's anything I want to change. I know that counselor Brown had changes
that she wanted to make um and so I want to make sure that when this comes forward it has all the changes currently. So this is not the version of the change. This is not so please please read it and like be aware of the changes
that are here but also no need to I mean well my suggestion is that we don't need to discuss it in depth right given that other changes are coming but but that said you all might want to so what um are there any things that here
that you'd like to talk about really quickly on your section uh it's on page 43 special meetings I thought we had already changed it so we could have a special meeting with electronic communication because we did that for the last one. Like nobody hand delivered a letter to her like they just sent us
an email with a read receipt. It may not have been an important super jazz like this is the first one I get to do it this way. Okay. But but I would assume that it was according to it was it was it was
that we maybe state law change or something. Yeah. Anything else? papers. All right. Animals. So, animals.
Um, we are on page 51. So, a name that there's these changes from the clerk's office. There's this minor change that the rec department sent in a few pages from now. And it seems to me that this is a
I am I am new. I am not necessarily advocating for one change or another, but I want to bring to your awareness that there's been a lot of discussion about dog ordinance. So like for years from like four years ago. Okay. Yeah. It's been and when you look
at the dog bite part of the ordinance like there's nothing there really just 213A disturbing the peace. There's no enforcement of the bite or anything.
So I asked Kathy today to please have someone from the clerk's office look back in the minutes from previous agendas to let us know what has happened around that like what what language exists. I I
was somebody somebody talked mentioned this too was like maybe bottomly was the last person to look at this right it was talked about it okay February or something okay yeah sim was on it had previous he took it but he didn't want
anymore okay and then Mary it was like in the jumble of things that came and like there's a list of things that hadn't really completed when I took over the committee and then Moab put his name on
it and that didn't so he might know something but so my request slash yeah my blueest is would one of you be willing to put your name on this and take your responsibility of stewarding this and integrating the
various pieces that the missing piece the risk of effectiveness. I think so, but honestly, I've given it up. This is um kind of reminds me of the sound ordinance proposals and that this is like a pernicious common issue that's
really difficult to like it's really difficult to you know get emails a couple months ago at this point from somebody who's like this dog barks all the time, right? It's kind of like that and that that whole situation is a neglect situation. Absolutely. And like
they've talked to the police, they've talked to they've tried to talk to them like but if the animal control is not responding, police aren't responding. Who do you talk to? It's a funding issue. Um when I talk Yeah. Right.
There's we share somebody who is part time. And part of our our challenge with enforcement is going to be that expenses were cut in many budgets. And now there's even less fun.
Um, so I'm not saying that like there needs to be this or not, but I think that someone needs to take the responsibility for the animals or I'm just googling dog bite or just to
see like if anybody else has something that like, oh man, this is super obvious. strict liability. So just so I make sure I'm understanding. So there's these proposed changes, but then there's other proposed changes and various versions that people
have worked on in the past. There's like a there's like a conversation there's been a conversation about, right, that people have worked on the past and is there anything written down about? So, I asked Kathy today to send us everything that they have. And we might right now
say, "No, we're not going to do that." Like, I'm just saying it's an opportunity to to look at that. Um, and I guess, yeah, I'm not opposed to doing it. I also
don't have a brilliant idea about how to actually like make it enforceable and effective, you know? So, that's kind of where I find myself stuck. It's like I don't want to be another another counselor run over by the dog bite ordinance cuz you know it's too
boring but not you know right should by the dog but um is there could we like put this as a discussion item for next month, you know, because I think we're going to
have a lot kind of on our plates just to keep it going. I don't want to like formally adopt it right now. Like I I'm working on the rental registry thing and so I want to keep cooking on that. That's kind of
the other stuff I've signed up for. Next month, I'd be happy to help you work on this if you want to do it that way by myself. Just Okay. But yeah, if if that would be helpful. Yeah. Knowing that it's not just me having to
something, right? It feels more doable to me if we're tag teaming. I'm like thinking about myself. I got to write a psychology class. I'm teaching psych. I'm not qualified, but I'm doing here we go. Public schools.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They needed somebody. My my preference is for anything is to not have it on as a discussion item without someone's pursuing the proposal. So let's talk. Okay. So okay if I in the in the in the
ordinance spreadsheet just write for Jordan Gordon Garrett set a reminder my phone for today. Yep. Perfect. Okay. Thank you both for doing that. actually set the accounts and I can talk to you.
That's how you set a reminder. I'm not like I'm okay with it not getting to this point. I'm okay with you both being like that's too big of a knot for me to untangle. It's something there's a need and and my like my I'm aware that I'm noticing that
my preference is for you all to be like we've untangled it to the extent that we can and here's a thing or here's not a thing. That that would be my preference though. I trust you to figure out the um
ready to move on from animals. Yes. Oh, and I did ask Kathy if that was urgent and she said it was. Okay, great. Thank you. Demolition delay. You're in conversation. You have that piece. I went to the external commission talk about the hype thing. They mentioned the
demolition delay. I said I put my name on it. said they'd be in touch with me when they had something for Okay. But the impression I got was that they're all we could basically I think Sarah Bald was also involved in that like council. So yeah, you know, depending on
how your timet maybe she'll take but I'm happy to address it as a person who cared about this. Okay. Um the next piece is page 62. And this is a just like the council
unaging one. This is a replacement of the existing recreation commission ordinance. My I called Christie Moore about what do these things um a couple days yesterday maybe and my one question to her was
about from this was about on page 62 the second paragraph that is under powers and duties like oh that's interesting the commission subject to city rules and regulations shall have the power to employ persons um and I said what does that mean does
is it not an employee the direct director not an employee like hired by the mayor or who signs the contract. Christie said that she's been here since 4 forg was mayor and 4G did sign her contract that the commission gets to advise on the hiring of the director and
I said I think it would be helpful to make this language more specific. Yeah. And so she's talking to her commission chair about it and I can steward the space
to Yeah. Um All right. So then the next on page 64 there's two changes that are being
proposed. both of which are not yet not yet ready. When I talked to Christie, she said that she was going to talk to the conservation manager. I think that's the person's name about the section one. I was like, "So, is it being proposed to be make conservation area stuff a new
section, a new chapter in the ordinance?" She said that she wanted to double check and I got the email back today saying that they aren't recommending a separate section since conservation areas have their own policy. But I need to follow up and make sure that I
understand that. So I will follow up. Um I put my name under the wetlands and the conservation commission um I reached out to them and they thought they emailed me in May and I was not on that email. So I just got up today. So, I will follow up with them on
this piece. And then there's the smoking piece. And I put my name under the smoking ornamentes. Um, I have some questions about how this is Oh, I talked to Christie, too. We both had some questions about how it's needed
to run off the call. So, not connected. It is connected to page 64. So, this is the entire park and recreations facilities ordinance, and that's the second change they're proposing. Nice. So, I'm in conversation about that and I want to look at the rest of the smoking
ordinances. Um, currently the Veterans Mall, it's it's highly fine to smoke at the Veterans Mall area right by the smoke shop. And I'm curious about that. Um, I can I have
a couple of guesses. So, I'm investigating this and I can continue to work on this. Um, so then the other pieces that are on that she's bringing forward on page
63. I'm going to make a note to Kathy about the planning ordinances including Christine's pages on page 16 73 and
many of these I would say all of these and I put my name down under curfew public lands smoking and I want to get those some more thought before we bring forward changes. The planning board I
just made a note to Kathy that we'll be ready for that. Um you guys are looking at different animals now that the alcoholic beverages change is being proposed and since it's in the ordinance spreadsheet I don't have any
reason to think that there's something complicated in here. I just we got what's the call is this is on page 73 um unless a license for such activity is
issued by the board of license commissioners and both by appropriate department commissioner board. I'm I'm suggesting since our commitment to each other is for somebody to put their names down to down next to everything and read everything in the general legislation
that before we put this forward if one of you would be willing to claim alcoholic alcoholic beverages. You will. Oh, sorry. I got trained by Well, you're going to need to put your
name down next anyway. So, I have no reason to believe. What if I want and this is not actually good. What if I want to create a downtown walking around with a beer distance? Like, is that not what they want? I mean, I like I think that sounds awesome. I know that people in town hate it. It would never pass.
Every ordinance needs to be sponsored by a council. So, but I mean New Orleans is a totally great city. I'm not No problems there. What's it is within your purview to bring forward that change. Yeah. I've got more libertine
attitude. I think about the conservation department. Uhu. Well, would you like to in the spirit of need to put in your name? Snick something. Okay. So share the spreadsheet link with me
again. Not wish which helps your customer. There's like plenty of countries though that do have much more reason to kind of relax attitudes about this stuff. You know I support they also have cultural norms right that are less individualistic in
general and like caring about other people. New England was found to have higher social cohesion than other agents of like a study that did. Yeah. No, no, seriously. Study that. Send me that. I'm very
curious about that data. The like the idea of collecting responsibility was stronger. I could see that in some ways. Yeah. Friendliness and and like collective responsibility are different things. Yeah. Okay. So Garrett's name is now any New Englanders. I'm not calling
you unfriendly. Oh no. Well, for litter by like I might um Okay. So, so Garrett is taking alcoholic beverages. All right. Basically Spain. Basically, Spain.
Spain. Spain. I was like Spain. What does that have to do with animals? Okay. Yeah. All right. So then that brings us to
I think is everything right? Okay. So just to confirm is this what you all have to I have to tell um I have on my list to tell Kathy that we're ready for public hearings on the cultural council the crossroads cultural district the
parking district the planning ordinances the council of aging and the parking permits. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to email her right now to save myself a to-do list. You said in downtown parking district. Yeah, I did parking.
Yeah. Oh, good. Thank you. Um, hi Kathy. Please put these ordinances on the please schedule for these ordinances July.
Thank you. As I do this, look at the look at the spreadsheet and think about what you need to if you're really sewer one. Actually, I weirdly enough had a conversation with me after the last council meeting. We had I think about 80
touch base. Yeah, talk to you guys about those soon. No, I was I'm curious about um he basically was like with the is the city effectively every time they go and they fix somebody's block right now
they're holding the liability city which is frankly fairly dangerous right from the city you know something goes wrong but it's relatively short on the pipe so as a service out of our super funds they basically do this which is great he didn't his point is like I
don't want to stop doing this but if puts an ADU an acre back and it's that length of pipe in the city working on it and they have to replace you know feet upon feet upon feet of pipe versus you know that's interesting in my neighborhood it's like you're right
you're 5 feet from the exactly and so that was so basically you know he wanted to be the city to be identified against liability in those cases not the right yeah I think that's not
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, they don't we don't want the city on the hook. Basically, if we do somebody a favor, which is what the city of doing is not required um fixing a clock or whatever. Okay. Yeah. All that being said, like I
wouldn't want us to have a city do like gross negligence and then not, you know, like go help something out. So I think that will take right some analysis of looking at different orders because there's a weird I want to say there's a weird gray area that happens where home
insurance doesn't cover it if it's the city's pipes and then but like the city also can't cover it in every ca like there's I think there's gray area there that like could leave people pretty screwed. Yeah. So this is one that I'm having including
the city take this on. I don't know. It's probably building sewers and connections. Sewers. Well, would you be willing to take on all of sewers to to just shepher that? Yeah. Can I um ask for a point of privilege to swear briefly? Yeah, I'll take on this
All right. That's good. Um when I when I looked at what I wasn't taking on, I That's really true. I realize that a lot of this is building
related, which given that you all are like cultivating and holding building housing expertise, like it couldn't hurt. That's a fun argument, Catherine. Yeah. Yeah. Um all Yeah. Sorry. Where what
where are you? I just took on supers. Yeah. Um right. I gave a speech at graduation last Friday about how roads are a metaphorical example of civic virtue. This this feels right on point. It's like perfect.
Um I mean you might also an idea is that you might not take on other things that have to do with Marlo, right? Like that's also kind project management and you could probably take on a third of this. Most of this is Marlo. I'm not saying you take on all of it, but it's
It could group like activities and kind of see how related. Sure. I'm sure model's got a lot of ideas which would be helpful. So there's other Marlo. Well, this is also tour related things.
I just I mean the key lock boxes that was but the building construction building permit stuff. So there's we can just name it. So there's building permits. So, you're trying to get everything assigned is what I'm hearing. I am. I would like to get everything.
Yeah. And I would like to also have us hold the fact that Patty will be joining us and can do some work. We could always do kind of Sorry, Rachel. I almost called Cather, but Rachel and I are doing on the dog ordinance adder to it,
you know? So, if like on It's true. What do you want to do or take? It's It's true. There's some of these that I when I looked through like you see that they're already paused. I was like I don't think any change needs to happen here. And I'm also really curious to give
some attention to other parts that I don't expect you all to do because that wasn't part of our collective agreement. Um but it's yeah I would like I took on about a third of this. you all end up at your name status to a third of it. That would
be great. It looks like John Bottomly claimed trees but didn't put his name. But look, there's a comment that he put in and then I mean is the tree guy. Like
I'd be willing to take on trees. I'd be interested in that. But like I als I mean wouldn't mind if he did something John is like he's officially but Oh no no no it's from the committee not that didn't know that cool then he's
chairing that right right your job might be just talking to him right I mean I would definitely talk about it okay I'm putting my name next to trees so you speak for the trees okay I actually have a Lorax t-shirt. That's very fitting for whatever night.
It's awesome. I Please, I totally will. Vendors is chapter 14. Oh, there's no art in this. Just one second. And I think it was recently updated. Yes, in 2022. So, that might be a really easy one because
um I'm willing to take on to take water. Butter and cheese. Thanks. Going in, going out. Yeah, that's right. I'll just put my name back to vendors. What else is left? Storage. Storage. Storage. I want I want
junk dealers. and I'll take guns because that's going to be easy and not controversial. Controversial stuff. No one in America. It It's actually quite simple, but I was like, "Oh, this does need a bit of like
it was it's an interesting Okay, you next step. Thank you. mirroring civilization was 90%age. Um, well, sidewalks, my grand sidewalks, but we had talked
about if you wanted to share that one. If you want to put your name on I can support. Yeah. or I'm happy with. Yeah, you're welcome to on any of those. Steve, one that I'm giving some thought to along with some of the other ones I'm giving some thought to is obstruction in some
that one I actually have I made some comments in the document. I did. Yeah, I like North Hansel's version better than ours because ours is like you're subject to immediate arrest. Arrested them. Yeah. which is I think is frankly an
anti-homless organiz that the other one under the street swap is like I don't know how they were able to take parking spots and turn it into patio areas but right now it's not legal to do that like as far as I can tell that so
it's like they're doing it based on the city saying it's okay but I would love it to be explicit in fig how that's done. Yeah. And I made a comment. I I looked at that. Okay. Good. So you put Thank you. because there's a restaurant that warrant
and I looked it up throughout the tire or it's where I would find that and it's also on public sleeping on public land. Oh, I thought it is. And Supreme Court says that's okay now. So we should still get the Supreme Court says it's okay to fine. Have they also changed the laws to
I mean is it I'm not saying that they had didn't say but I'm not saying they ever said it wasn't but was there a change that well the court they had that decision of say organ yeah and said the same I just might mostly remember the detail they were allowed to basically
fine yeah people that were sleeping in public lands is that what it said was it about specifically sleeping on public lands or was it I don't remember sleeping in public. I think it might have been sleeping in public. Okay. All right.
Pretty clearly. I'm wondering if now we might be treading more into the territory of discussing the ordinances and discussing the process. So, I'm going to bring this back and ask, can folks um put their names? Oops. Sorry, dropped third person. There's um a few
more left. of building construct building permits, development review, electrical standards, excavations, and storage tanks. Also, like if you look at these and they're just like way too big again,
it's bringing what row are you in, Kevin? I see there's row 14. Pro 17, row 19. Is development review the MDR that we've
had so much fun with over the years? Yeah. Not often. Honestly, a little bit surprised many boards request changes. Request what? Any change major development?
Do you want to take that one on jointly, Rachel, for time to be determined? Like not a the That'd be great. Yeah. Yeah. I just put her electrical standards. I am absolutely unqualified. anyone qualified to write.
This is part of why I wanted because he brings I'll take electricity of wires power and duty inspector recordeping standards inspection. It's a lot of inspection stuff and
he's never against me. storage tanks, right? It's I know somebody actually who works for um the state of New Hampshire and they have to show up anytime there's a spill. So, I could touch base with them about storage tanks.
There's some terrifying stories. Oh my god. What the stories about like oil like tanks? Oh yeah. I mean there's real bad. Yeah. No, it's Yeah. It's all off the but what's left is nine.
Row nine permits. Yes. Row 19. Yeah. I want to just look at that. Um, securing unattended trenches sounds like fun. I'll take that. Well, we can't build nuclear weapons at
Great Field. Thank goodness. We need to update. I concur. It's pretty simple. All right. All right. Okay. So, I have a question about these. Does it feel
reasonable for you all to like look through your ordinances and like be able to make some like ask some initial questions of yourself, of your thinking, of perhaps of others, and just be like
next time be able to be like, "Well, this is way too much. Patty, can you take this? like can you take this on right because we just we have an extra person coming. You do not have to have everything on your plate and for the pacing of this I think the next big question is like what is the work like
kind of like assessing the scope of work for the next six months and being able to be ready to ask Patty to or whoever comes to do it here. I mean it also might be helpful to say like for next month
sidewalk thing I'm going to look at sidewalks and report back when I got sure you know like I just identify like that's great what's the first thing we're looking at it's like this is basket oh I guarantee you I won't read every
yeah I feel like I can with a little bit of trepidation I can commit to at least like looking over them broadly and seeing kind of what the scope is of what I've taken on. Right. Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah. Like I don't that's kind of what I'm at like because
I want to is it more from like a project management perspective of like scoping the work for the next bit of time if not to read it thoroughly but just like to to think about it. Yeah. I guarantee
I will not think about Yeah. No. No. I guarantee you that you will have a special. So gonna block time on my calendar right now. Thank you. So then, so then that feels okay to commit to
glancing through them and being able to be like, I need to delegate this piece or not even delegate but ask you because really we should be we can't divide it by we assume that
she she might be but she also said she like Laura was like are willing to have her be the person and she can't do it till after I said like there's not everyone else is right what choice do we have like so it's not Mary Marian is very very clear she said she couldn't do it but that she's willing to do it in
the end that's the best answer we're going to give yeah exactly that's our best option it sounds like the option we should take yeah realistically we're dividing yeah pragmatic and accurate so then next time I'm going to ask Kathy to put on the agenda
um check in from counselors about scope of work and what counselor Scott um just do you want me to put your name on the sidewalk stuff too like do or do you
want to just um report back and get things like I'm happy to look at it but I also want a conclusion I feel like how about you take the first look and I actually wrote a note to
myself to kind of glance at it anyway. But then if there's things that take a lot of work or you know that like we can tag team. Yeah. So I'll do that for next month. Can commit to that for sure. Yeah. There's a lot there's a lot of
pieces but a lot of like visual obstruction sessions like that's absolutely fine right. Yeah. And so those things that you look at that are like it's totally fine just put pause or not pause complet.
So so when made these things and I'm interpreting them these categories as meaning started in progress means I'm still thinking about it. Pause means I've decided that this is complete for now. um complete would be when we decided collectively it's still um I
don't think that we're going to be able to decide collectively that so my so yeah let's figure this out so my thinking when I put pause was I looked at this I think it's good enough our commitment to each other is one person looks at each thing and besides if
changes are needed everyone else has the ability to do that too if they want to but I don't think that we needed to talk about everything at the meeting. And so if you see, for example, you see me saying paused and you're like, I'm not sure if it's paused, you could feel free
to look at it again and bring forward a change. But I think for efficiency sake, we're not like I I don't I don't expect you all to make a report on everything that you think is the winner. What do you think about that? I fig
like I love making a list where I check off things. like I'm a huge fan and so like the idea of having it be perpetually in like an incomplete status just this is totally just aesthetics but I would love to be able to say completed
on everything never have to think about so would you call that reviewed review completed I just said like I like the word completed like I think it's um I think okay so it's interesting because there's two different completed one is like the changes have passed and the
other is the review is So how about I mean if it could be like review completed no action no further action necessary or or like no action it doesn't need to be you know paused until we decide there's no action then leave it afterwards. Yeah. So what would you
ask then to I would keep it exactly as it is and if we decide that they want to change it just wait so are you okay with are you okay with my interpretation policy? I'm totally fine with that. Wait, can you just I'm I'm make I added a tab to make a code because I don't
like it when there are words in spreadsheets that people haven't agreed on a meeting to and written down. Um so basically the point person has decided that no action is necessary at this time. Other people are welcome to look at it if they want. Is that essentially
it? Yeah. Can you send that to that language to Kathy as being part of our agreements that we just review at the beginning of the meeting since you're writing that down? Sure. I mean, I'm Yeah, I maybe this is not what I should be doing, but I made a tab in this spreadsheet.
You made a tab in the status under status. No, it's a sorry, a different worksheet down at the bottom. It says key to status. It needs a different name, but that's what I ah down in the
Okay, that works for me. Does that work for you? Yeah. Okay. So, no further changes to status. Again, all I want to do at the end is just check say we're done. I think
that's my only So, we're working. Um, so other either all paused or all completed to red or green, right? Well, and there's a point at which like when we're ready to, you know, when we're ready to call it done, we can just go through and say everything's completed.
Yeah. Then we're done. I'm not worried that it's st forever, right? And like once done, I think it'll be very clear. Yeah. And do we think that the in progress thing that the point I mean I'm getting really nitty-gritty here, but like the point
person should be in charge of saying whether it's in progress. Yes. And for me, I've interpreted that as like I've actually looked at this and made comments like reading it like I haven't written anything like I've looked at basically the point person has
begun reviewing is what yeah for me in practice doesn't mean that I've written anything yet right I don't and I don't think we need to get that detailed like if you've written five words or less count I don't want to go that far but um Yeah,
I think and not started and complete. They're obviously self-explanatory. Yeah, I've got in progress with the demolition delay because I talked planning board. I have Yeah, that's fine. But you started working on it. Right. Yep. Great. So,
um you all feel good about your names down next to things and then we'll check into next. Okay. What is the Oh, things turn yellow when they're in progress. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yellow. Not
all. Oh, those are things that I asked when if they had things that they were like when they looked through they were like, "Huh?" Um, I think that that was what that means. Wait, but you asked when what? It's like they read all the
they looked through all the ordinances. They didn't read it thoroughly, but like did anything come to your I was just kind of strike your head. Yeah, I noticed the storm water one and some of the other ones. I think Subaru as well. I don't have access to the document. Yeah, I think that's going to be true of
a lot of these. Okay. Unfortunately, I wonder if there's I mean I think the question for Quinn Quinn, wherever you are, um is like if these are all in a Google folder somewhere, if they could just change access to the whole Google folder instead of having to share them
one by one because that would get very tedious for them. Let's restrain ourselves from setting requests for access. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Like animals don't have access to. Right. So look at the code.
Actually I'm going to request access on this but I'm going to put a message saying if it's possible to give us access. Oh okay. Are you doing that as well? I was but obnoxiously spam you. Okay.
Obnoxious. next seconds. a little name, but I am I don't know if this is just my like geeky thorough side and it likely is, but I am now getting curious even though like my to-do list
is like two pages long. I am curious about administrative legislation like how are what is the difference between those I can't this is where we get to select our own hats
there are single must be wearing a hat. Okay. Anything else that you would like to discuss? I'm talking about this. So, sorry. You're good. You good? Yeah, I'm good.
Okay, I'll scroll back up and go to the meeting. Um, all right. So, our next meeting scheduled for June no July 9th, 2025 at 6:30 p.m. at the city hall meeting room
second floor Zoom hybrid unless otherwise posted. I have a motion to adjurnn. Second. All those in favor? Goodbye, Greenfield. Bye. Have a lovely
day and lovely life. [Music]