Today is September 24th. We're at the Greenfield Fire Station for the Public Safety Commission meeting. I'll call the meeting to order. I'll start with a roll call. >> Commissioner Illinois >> here. >> Commissioner Jarvis >> here.
>> Commissioner Raph. >> Oscar is here. >> Maria Burge, Commissioner >> here. >> Great. We have a quorum. Okay, we're going to skip meeting minutes. Trust me. >> All right. Who said that? Chief.
>> All right. I want to say that we're recording this meeting as a public safety commissioner commission meeting. Is anybody in the audience or on Zoom recording the meeting? Please let me know. >> Anthony, are you recording the meeting? Do you mind if I would that be okay?
>> You can if you tell me. >> Terrific. I'd like to record then if possible. >> No worries. >> Okay. All right. I'll ask in if there's anybody in the room that wants to make public comment at this at this time.
Is there anybody on Zoom that would like to make public comment? Okay, great. We're moving on. Okay, we have the honor of having Alex and Avery in the room and there's going to be a swearing in of two new firefighters. Chief, if and deputy, if you'd like to
come up and there uh so, welcome everybody. Uh we decided to try a new thing with uh swearing in of new firefighters and to do it in front of the public safety commission. Uh the process to become a firefighter is pretty long. Um and there's multiple
steps to get to the point where you're offered a job. Um and then once you're offered a job, we onboard you and we'll send you to the academy. Um but tonight we celebrate uh our two new recruits, um Avery Nye and uh Alex Terrell. Um
Avery's at the fire academy right now. Alex is is working days, but soon we'll be going to the fire academy. Uh so we wanted to do a little uh quick ceremony in front of our public safety and welcome you aboard. Um there's a couple things that I tell every firefighter
that gets uh sworn in here at the fire department. I have three priorities for you as chief of department. The first priority is to be safe. Our job is dangerous. Uh we will do everything in our power to give you the best equipment, the best training. Uh but the job is dangerous. It's your job to make
sure that safety is always on your mind. With that said, we are also aggressive department, which means that when there's the job to do, we do it and we do it. We may be fearful, but we swallow the fear and we do the job. You will be put in harm's way, but we will do our
job as safe as possible. Um but that's our first priority. Our second priority is be professional. Do your job. Bill Bich says it. do your job, right? Come in every day and do your job. Every day is a training day. Every day is a day to learn and and and really be
professional. You are going to be at your best when everybody else is having the worst day of their life and we expect nothing less. Um and lastly, uh uh have fun. Um this job is the best job in the world. There are challenging days
ahead of you. There are sad days. There are days where you're exhausted, but the job goes by quick uh and before you know it, you've had 30 years on the job. Uh and uh it's truly the best job in the world. Uh we are a family here.
Um uh you are coming into our family. We welcome you with open arms. Uh we want you to invest in Greenfield Fire as we've invested in you as firefighters. Um, so without further ado, I will ask the mayor to um uh initiate the oath of
office. >> You can smile too. >> You want to come over here? >> Sure. >> So everybody can see all your friends and family can >> right in front of us. Don't even pretend we we're not here. >> Okay. So you're going to raise your
right hand. All right. And you repeat after me. I state your name. I >> I >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> that I will faithfully and impartially >> I will faithfully and impartially >> and to the best of my ability
>> to the best of my ability >> perform the duties of the office >> perform the duties of the office >> to which I have been appointed >> to which I've been appointed >> in accordance with the ordinances and the charter >> in accordance with the ordinances and the charter charter
>> of the city of Greenfield >> of the city Greenfield >> the Constitution >> the Constitution >> and the General Laws of the Commonwealth >> and the general laws of the Commonwealth >> and the Constitution of the United States. >> the Constitution of the United States. >> Congratulations. Thank you very
uh as a tradition in the Greenfield Fire Department, you will receive you both have already received it, but for the people out in the audience, you receive your badge number 129 and 130 respectively. I am 80, the deputy is 95. That badge number will never be reused.
Uh, and it is your badge number for um for life. Um, and so uh take pride in the badge number. Uh, do you who do you want to have come up? >> My mom come up.
>> It was right here. the honor. Absolutely. I think I got this. Congratulations. Thank you. >> And lastly, we have uh a couple department orders that will be read. Uh deputy. And as the chief mentioned earlier,
firefighter Nye will graduate from the academy shortly. So I will lead off with his first. Firefighter Avery 9, badge 129, graduates from the Massachusetts Firefighting Academy on October 10th, 2025. Firefighter N will report to group
one on October TW uh sorry, October 17th at 0800 hours. >> Great. Firefighter Alex Terrell, badge number 130, will report to group two on October
2nd, 2025. >> So, short and sweet. Uh, thank you all for coming. For family and friends that came to the swearing in, we do have cake in the cover room. uh if you would like to um follow these fine men there and have some cake uh so these folks can
continue their view. But thank you all for coming. We appreciate it. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you very much. [Music] >> Thank you. >> This makes more sense.
Thanks for being nice. [Music] All right, we're going to continue our meeting. I'm going to take a step back again and I'm going to ask if anybody there's a lot of people in the room. If anybody in the room would like to come
up and make public comments, is there anybody online that would like to make a public comment? Please speak. >> Hi. >> Hi. Hi. >> Stephanie Dlo, Chapman Street. I'd like to speak.
>> Go ahead. >> Um, >> you can speak. I would like to um actually what I wanted to say initially was I really wish public comment was at the end um so that we could kind of
reflect on what has been happening and um hopefully be able to you know offer other um incidences that maybe the public doesn't know or the public safety commission doesn't know about. So,
um, whoever the chair is, um, I would hope that maybe you could include public comment at the end as an option as well. And, um, I would like to thank all of those that are sitting up there that are
considering running for certain positions in our city. Um, we're in pretty dire straits. Um, so I want to um give my thanks to you guys for the volunteering and for
stepping up. Thanks. >> Thank you. Any other comments from anybody else? Okay, great. We will get down to business. I will invite EMS up, AMR. And again, when you're up here, please for
the virtual folks that watch this two weeks from now, state who you are, your names. It would be helpful. We all know you, but they might not. Oh, you can you can >> Yeah. I mean,
>> welcome. >> Hello. >> Kim D'Angelo, operations manager for AMR. >> Good evening. Patrick Leonardo, regional director for AMR. Won't go. >> Uh, a quick recap from August. I know when we were discussing July, we jinxed
ourselves a little bit that we were eager for summer to slow down and volume to drop a little bit. August was our busiest month on record so far. We transported 310 patients uh 911 calls through the city. We worked very closely with Greenfield Fire to make sure any mutually aid that was needed was
covered. Um, aside from that, the roll out of the highly anticipated QRV, the fly car, has arrived. Um, its first shift was actually September 11th. Uh, started
about halfway through the day once our supervisor, Sue Ellen, had everything in order and organized to her likings. We are good to go. Uh, so the fly car so far has been in service for seven days, coming up towards the end of our second week. Um, it is staffed Monday through Friday, 11:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. Looking
at kind of our peak hours of when we're passing for mutual aid where a high higher volume for 911 is. Um, in their first seven days, they've completed 16 responses and transport along with BLS crews for six of those. Um, a couple they were able to free up the ambulance on scene by handling a refusal. One
diabetic refusal they were able to treat patient on scene so they could stay home. Um, so it's still very very early to see if there's other hours that is needed, if maybe we need to expand to the weekend or not, but the first roll out is great. Um, our Greenfield paramedics are taking to it very well
and doing a great job with it. So, we'll keep a close eye on it. Um, is there any specific reporting that you would like in regard to that vehicle so we can come in more once we get a month or two into it or kind of too early for trending at this point?
I would like to see just general updates on it. A number of calls, what type of calls if we could. >> Sure. >> And if it you know if call if it it's freed up our folks or not you know for every call but you know you know if you
have an instance where it does that that would be good to know. >> Absolutely. Yeah. So we are still running the two ALS vehicles staffed ambulances at a time. This is an addition. So, it almost bridges that gap when we either using our BLS trucks or
uh Greenfield Fires responding to build another ALS truck that we didn't have as a resource before, as well as being able to be available in the county for paramedic intercepts. >> Yeah, it's great. That's really good news. >> It was nice to see the volume. 16 the
first seven days is that's a great number for them. So, it's a big change. >> Any questions or comments? You want to go through the uptakes? Take six seconds. >> Sure. Um,
so transported 310 patients from 911. 183 of those are transported at the ALS level and 127 BLS. We kind of stay around the 6040 split on average. So that that tracks. Uh, typically Friday's our busiest day, but for some reason
August hit us hard on the weekend. So, our weekend crews are pretty darn busy. Um, aside from that, we are also looking into radio compatibility with the changes to the radio frequencies in Franklin County that are projected for
2027. Um, we have a crew of our radio team coming to review all of the radios up here to make sure that we're able to be compliant and if they do need to be upgraded, we are prepared to do that as a capex project for 26. So when the changes take place, we'll be good to go
in 27. >> Any questions on this? >> I do have one additional comment um based on the language of the contract. I have contacted the chief already in regards to logistics and a project plan
to start doing CAT integration which starts at our IT department. So we are already uh looking to see when we can meet and make that first meeting happen to see what the IT departments see as the best solution for both parties to make that happen. Um so that's already
in process. >> So we gave a positive recommendation to the mayor. Yes. Have have you received the contract mayor? >> Okay. >> Signed. >> Signed. Great. Congratulations. >> Well, thank you very much. >> Great news.
Uh any questions about that driver? >> Okay, great. Well, we appreciate you and your hard work. >> So, thank you. Yes, it is. >> They're not. >> Yeah. >> We'll invite the fire department. Would
you like to come up? Welcome. Just state who you are for the Zoom folks. >> Uh Bob Strand, uh fire chief, emergency management director. >> Uh Peter Macyver, deputy fire chief. >> Nice to see you guys.
[Music] >> Dispatch, Maria, but thank you. Thank you. Uh first of all, uh a little bit of update to our fleet. Uh myself and and a few others traveled out to Wisconsin to do
the final inspection on the ladder. Uh the ladder is in state and will be delivered um uh within the next couple weeks where we will start training. Um, when we bid out a fire apparatus, because of the price of the truck and because it's custom from the ground up,
uh, it's really important that at the factory and a top tobottom inspection is done. And when I mean top to bottom, I mean checking bolts and screws and paint and, uh, this is an investment of of 1.83 million uh, for the city. Uh, and we
want to make sure that everything is uh, the way that it was specked out to be. Um it's a common practice with every fire department to go out and do the inspections. Uh but it's built into the overall package of of the ladder truck. In addition to that, uh we purchased a
used vehicle uh to replace a uh old cruiser that had 180,000 miles on it with our first ever first uh fully electric vehicle. Uh it is a um a lightning pickup truck. Uh it we found
used at a very very um unbelievable price. Uh it has been put into service. Uh and we are testing uh the fully electric capability uh with that truck. So uh we're excited to uh start a new
horizon and see how how it works. So, uh, and it's been assigned to, um, a day captain. Um, and, uh, like I said, it saves, uh, it saves money off of the repairs and the fuel that we have, um,
with the vehicle that it's replaced. Uh, and we got a really good deal on it. So, uh, staffing updates. Um, we're still, uh, struggling with our staffing. Uh we have two members in the retirement process now due to injuries sustained in
the line of duty. Uh in addition to that, we have a captain that's on long-term IOD and another captain that is recovering from offduty injuries um uh with an unknown return date yet. In addition to that, three members are at
the fire academy uh in Springfield and they're scheduled to um are scheduled to uh graduate October 10th at 11:00 a.m. Uh if anybody would like to uh go see that. Uh it's quite a quite a ceremony.
So, we're excited for them. And like we said, Alex, our newest uh uh acquire, he'll be going to the academy the same he'll start the academy the same week that the other firefighters are graduating. So training, you see a little picture there. Uh we purchased
four what they call doll houses. um but basically our fire simulators and what it does is it takes uh real conditions of a houseire and puts it into a small manageable uh visual thing so the firefighters can see behavior uh and it
behaves just like a structure fire does. So they'll they saw the the fire grow uh what happens when you introduce air, what happens when you deprive it of air, what happens when you open up uh stairwells. Um and it's a really really
powerful tool. Uh I had the pleasure of um going and assisting uh instruction on one of them. Uh the leading one of our lead instructure instructors is in the back of the room. Lieutenant um uh Cache uh is in the back of the room. He uh
took the the the responsibility him and uh firefighter Streer uh took the responsibility of taking and providing a top-notch training for the firefighters. Uh and we've had a tremendous amount of feedback on that. Um uh we were able to
create uh flashover and backdraft conditions uh that are very impressive in a small house really trying to emphasize the dangers of ventilation and air in a building and how you need to be careful. So it was a great training
opportunity and uh u grateful that we were able to provide that for them. In addition to that couple questions. >> Yes. Yes. >> Does it provide venting as well? >> Okay. >> Yep. So, there's basically picture a
four room uh house uh and the rooms all are interconnected including the attic. Uh and you can simulate a floor and an attic floorway open the vent uh and um basically anything condition you create in a big in a larger structure you could
create in the smaller one. Uh so it's a really a benefit for the firefighters to understand the roof obviously >> have a real problem. >> That's correct. And it shows that you know some of the tactics as we used to
have as in the fire department have changed over the years. This just re reaffirms that. So, uh, in addition to that, I've got several firefighters, uh, and officers that are belong to the training consortium for the Tri-State
Basic Six. This is a, uh, program that trains new firefighters uh, for the basic uh, skills they need to, um, fight fire. Uh, we typically don't benefit from that other than a tremendous opportunity for my firefighters to be
instructors. But what it does do is it gets people used to seeing Greenfield Fire in a training atmosphere and hopefully that's a recruit method to pull people in that want to look at a career in firefighting. Um the
firefighters give a top quality training. Uh they are joined by other firefighters from Turner Falls, from Orange, from Charlemont. Uh and they really do a good great job and they have a lot of pride in it. Um, so we're
thrilled to support that effort of of the firefighters. Uh, and it provides a lot for us down the road. Some other updates, uh, Saturday was a big day. Uh, we had the, uh, bases and badges, softball tournament, uh, where local
police, fire, sheriff's office, D attorneys all came together for a great cause for the Whitney family, uh, which they raised about $10,000 for, uh, and had a softball tournament with all the public safety agencies. Uh, I'm sure my counterpart in the back of the room is
going to be delighted to tell you >> why is he chuckling >> that they took the trophy this year after we had some good fun with it beforehand. Uh, but we're they did a great job. Uh, they they uh they were a tremendous team and uh it was a great
day. We had about 21 firefighters on our team. So, was it really a team other than just rotating people through, but it was a great time and it was for a great cause. So, um we are even though it's raining today,
we are still in a uh elevated fire risk with water restrictions that remain in effect for the city. Uh conditions are drier this year than they were last year. If you remember last year towards the end of October and November, we had a tremendous fire season with a lot of
uh you know, large fires in in Massachusetts. So, we're on pace to uh potentially be drier this year than last year. So, uh and then the incident breakdown. Uh
we had five fires, uh 198 rescue/ EMS. They're not just EMS master rescue calls. 18 hazardous conditions, six service calls and 94 other calls, uh, which are, um, just calls that we've gone to a new reporting system, uh,
federal system. And so, it hasn't quite fit into the right categories. So, we have to go through and fix that a little bit, but that's a call volume for the for the for the >> So, so is the 94 that I don't have in a category. They just general. They just
all general. Yeah, >> wires down or some type of other emergency response just those three categories >> and that's a work in progress to categorize them. >> Yeah, >> we've gone from what they call niffers, the national uh incident fire reporting
system that has gone away and we've gone through a new system called uh it's a federal reporting requirement. Uh all departments are have to be on by January 1st. We opted in early just for this reason. So
>> easier it'll be standard normal in the fire service. So uh our budget uh we are 25% into our budget which means uh remember that our
spending some of it's heavy at the beginning of the year some of it's heavy at the end of the year. So, uh, but we should be about 952,000. We have spent 674,000. So, we're right on target for overall budget. You'll notice that in this
number um uh I'm actually pretty pleased with uh based off of what we faced uh the last couple months. Our overtime uh 25% remaining should be around $41,000 um uh spent. We spent 49,000. So, I was
anticipating that number to be double that. So, we're we're >> we're doing the best we can to keep it uh in check. >> Okay. >> Um the ambulance revenue uh is listed on the following page. Uh and the last page
on after that uh is um that's it. That's our ambulance revenue. Guess somebody wanted a report on the ambulance. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Any questions about budgeting? >> Any questions in general? >> I want to. >> Okay.
>> Um, do you record when you're doing the training with the doll houses so other firefighters can watch them? >> Uh, we had some videos uh but not the whole video. It it took about an hour training. But no, we we we did make them
uh require for everybody. So, everybody in the department did get it. >> Yeah. We bought four of the houses um and each group was assigned a house and the instructors came in on their time to to um to teach uh the class. So it was
it was an excellent excellent opportunity. >> So with the class you did all four houses >> different shifts but yep different days different shifts but >> in different scenarios or >> no pretty much repeated it. Uh tried to get a backdraft. Backdraft is where uh
you introduce you starve a fire uh and the fire basically goes out and you introduce air and the explosion happens. Um we were able to recreate that. Um we were able to recreate a flashover. Um it was pretty impressive the fire behavior
we saw in a little dollhouse if you will. >> Pretty amazing. >> Don't want to see it in the big house. It shows us that, you know, it's firefighting is very scientific. This
just reinforces what we do. >> So, did you give a date the exact date for the lad deliver? >> I did not. Sure. We're hoping it should be within two weeks. Uh the third week of October is we're scheduled to do training. So, it'll be here by
>> So, the you you'll go through the training for x amount of time. We still have existing truck. >> Yes. >> Keep that until >> till the other one's in service. >> In service. >> Yeah. And then it will be turned over to the city. The DPW is the one that disposes of all vehicles. Uh we will
work with them uh to sell this vehicle and we're hoping to get um some money back uh to it will go to the general fund. Uh so we're excited about that. We did budget $1.9 million as I have committed in everything that we
purchase. Um just because we have $1.9 million doesn't mean we spend up to $1.9 million. We got a truck uh that is absolutely appropriate for the city of Greenfield. we were able to get some equipment with a truck and have some money left over and rather than
purchasing to that line. Uh that money was then rescended uh and really went to a needed cause uh part of it went to a needed cause and that was um our central maintenance uh electricians were in desperate need of a vehicle uh and the city was able to turn around and help
out another department which I'm personally thrilled about. Um, so, um, uh, but, uh, like I said, we commit that we watch every dollar and spend it appropriately. We did have to make some changes when we were out there. One of
the changes we found, um, was a safety issue. Uh, the steps in the truck, in my opinion, were too high. Um, and I thought that they they u weren't appropriate. So, we ended up adding a saddle step just like we did with one of
the other engines. So little things like that that you don't know until and it's cheaper to do it when it's out in Wisconsin than to have it come back and then go back out. So >> safety issue. >> Yep. Yeah. Everything that everything that we we made changes and we made very
small changes were safety issues. >> Maybe injuries to knees and other things getting in and out. >> Correct. So when the truck arrives, what do you think the estimate is for the training? And then it will be on the road like a month, month or so.
>> Minimum month. >> Minimum of month. This is we are going from a platform to a straight stick. And what that means is that the ladder truck right now has a big basket on the front of it that they work out of. This one is going to be like you're working off a regular ladder. uh
gives more some complications that we didn't have before, but it also gives us some flexibility we didn't have before. Um because of that, there are only two firefighters left that have worked off a straight stick. Everybody else is used to the platform. So, we are going to take our time to make sure these
firefighters are comfortable working with that with the ladder. Uh so the the u um factory will come in and we'll do the initial training with everybody and then I have also um authorized our shifts to be able to hold on at the end
of their shifts um where they just go as a group because doing training on shift we do it all the time but it's always getting interrupted. We need our firefighters to get very quickly very proficient with this vehicle. Uh and so we are going to throw everything from a
training standpoint at it to make sure that they are proficient with it. Uh it's an unbelievable piece of equipment. We are so fortunate uh to have this piece of equipment uh and the support from the mayor and the city council uh to get this. It's an unusual way that we
purchase this, but we were able to save quite a bit of money by by doing the method we purchased it purchased it through. and it's um it's really going to be a well um needed piece of equipment for the city. So, we're thrilled. >> Is the pumping capacity any different
from the the power right now? >> So, the pumps are the same, meaning the pump on the side of the truck is a 2,000galon minute pump. The basket has two guns that are capable of flowing 1,000 gallons a minute out of each gun. Rarely do you ever see a water supply
that can support 2,000 gallons a minute. Uh this new ladder will have the gun at the tip of it uh flows 1500 gallons a minute. So uh water supply and water delivery from the aerial is not going to it'll be just as good as the tower even
though that may have pro provided more water but but >> half the times we couldn't supply it >> right. If you can't supply it what good is it right? >> Can't push it out there. You don't have to push. Any other comments from commissioners or
statements, questions? All right. Well, thank you for your time. Very nice. >> All right. We will invite the softball champion Greenfield Police Department. Actually, dispatch first. Sorry, we skipped dispatch. Look at the roll in
the eyes. >> I was going to swap I was going to swap it around a little bit. That's okay. My meeting minutes are a little bit mixed up online, so you have to go right. >> I am Cindy Hunter. I'm the dispatch supervisor
police and fire. >> We appreciate you. >> You acting indirectly. >> So for the month of August, uh we were up a little bit in our call volume. Uh we had 3,332 calls entered for service. It was up
about 3%. Uh for our 911 calls in and out of our system, we had 231 which was up about 13% the month before. Uh see shifts covered by our pdiums in August went down a little bit. They were only about 60 hours. Uh I covered 40
hours. Uh so that gave us 100 hours of time cover which saved a little bit of wear and tear on our full-time dispatchers which we appreciate. Um, unfortunately I do have to tell you that we lost another dispatcher. This uh the 19th was his last day. Patrick Dote
Patrick, we wish him all the best. He has actually moved on to the sheriff's department uh in Greek. Uh that was actually one of his past careers. He spent many years a bunch of years at another jail away from here. So we're sad to lose him, but we wish him the
best. So, unfortunately, for the next few months, we're going to be going to have a lot of open shifts, and I would say that uh I'm really proud of our pdiums because they have really stepped up. Um because it's a long-term absence, I can put those shifts out to pertiums first
uh contractually. So, what I did was put a spread a spreadsheet together, sent them out to the pdiums, and we had 50 open shifts from the day that he left until the end of November, and 40 have been covered so far. Uh, so we have 10 shifts left. I have taken five of those,
meaning that I swap my hours from day shift to second shift, which I found has worked out really well recently, not only to give me some uh little experience back on second shift, but also to work with the other dispatchers that I don't normally work with. So, that's a good good thing as well. Uh, so
yeah, really happy with our prediums. They're really stepping up and we appreciate that. Um, so uh we did hold interviews. Um, I would say thank you to Commissioner Dixon, but she's not here, but thank you to her because she sat on our panel, which we appreciated as well. Uh, she gave some great insight. Uh, we
only at this time we only had four candidates that we interviewed. We did choose two, uh, to fill our two open positions. Uh, so HR, I was notified today, made the second conditional offer to the other, the second candidate. So now we're just waiting for the PD for
the detective to complete the background checks. And once that is done then HR can give them a start date. So then we'll start. >> So that brings us with these two to where >> uh so we will uh so with Patrick still there we were nine which we can run with. The 10th person is our vacation
relief which we had previously lost. >> So that will bring us back to 10 full-time dispatchers and then uh unfortunately we still have some vacations that are still being taken. So, uh it's going to be a little bit hairy for the next few months, but um I
will cover as much as I can. And uh we do have one predium who is returning from maternity leave on October 5th, and she's actually taken a shift that day to start out. So, uh we're happy to have her back soon. Um uh just like to tell you that we I've
actually been in contact with u uh someone at the Franklin County Tech School. We've received uh some information about their career fair that's being held in November. Uh so we're potentially dispatch will potentially have a table uh at their career fair which we're excited about. Um I'm sure as you all know and we've
talked about I feel like in the past the it's been a challenge to convince people that dispatching is a career. Um it's not as simple as just answering a phone as we all know. And so we're excited. Um >> there be a public safety table. >> I mean
>> um well actually it's funny that you say that. So I actually had spoken to Sergeant Cludier. um she indicated to me she wasn't sure that the police department was going to be able to participate. I don't know what their plan is for that. Um but uh I've actually done it and I've done that career fair in the past with Migu PD and
dispatch. Um and it was a a great collaboration between the police department and dispatch. So we would love to be able to collaborate with the police department for sure. Uh the only other thing I have is I just wanted to mention uh as the as Chief Strahan mentioned, they did have the
bases and badges softball game this past weekend. Um, I just wanted to mention one of our dispatchers, Joshel. Uh, he was one of the players with police department. Uh, he came back a little bit bruised and he found out that you shouldn't slide in shorts. Uh, it's not a good idea. >> Oh.
>> Um, and, uh, many dispatchers actually were there as a cheering section and we were very happy to see John Wy and his family. He threw out the first pitch which was fantastic. Um, and actually I have something to give you all along the same lines. Uh so Joshel, one of our
dispatchers, uh he worked with uh Mon'nique from Mon'nique designs by Mon'nique, excuse me, in Greenfield. And they came up with a patch for dispatch. The gray patch is for brain cancer awareness, right? >> And the other patch is actually for breast cancer awareness, which is next
month. >> Okay. Uh so we just wanted to give you >> just wanted to say thank you to Josh and Mo'Nique for coming up with that. It was Josh's idea to do that. And actually, uh, firefighter Whitney actually stopped at the dispatch yesterday and picked up
some p some patches for himself and family. So, >> yeah. So, we're happy to be a part of the cheering section for John. So, >> yeah, they did. They really did a great job. >> They didn't require emergency services, did they? >> No.
No. Um, yeah. Designed by Mon'nique. Um, she's done uh our um uniform shirts. Uh, she did the patches. She does a great job. >> And yeah, >> unless you have any questions, >> any dispatch questions?
>> I have a comment. So, our women of the moose were putting together a 104 event in the invited um dispatch.
And as I'm doing research as to, you know, like I wanted her to put a skit together starting with dispatch, you know, going to a call, calling in all these fire department and um other departments. Then I realized they are
the first responders. people call in cuz you know the title is first responders honoring the first responders and their job is like I don't know you guys I I know all of you you know police and fire you have
your training and whatever but these these people have to keep their cool all the time to make sure that they know where the people are. I remember being a dispatcher when they had they didn't have police and it's like it just
brought back to and I really appreciate your department and I hope everybody in in the city or that really does appreciate your department. >> I appreciate that very much. That is something that you hear often when we go to trainings or you know we're the first
first responders as you've said and it's really not as simple as answering the phone and >> I mean and I think sometimes it's harder just because we can't see what's going on. We can only hear it and I I know from the last 24 years that I have voices in my head that will probably
never leave me. Um and you know calls that I've taken. So, but I appreciate that because again it's it's only been, you know, in the last 10 or 15 years that we've kind of become to rec come to recognize this as a career and as an actual, you know, a part of public
safety. So now, if you if we can just convince our our lawmakers in the state to classify us as >> what did you say that they had classified you as secretary? >> They're classified as secretaries currently. Yeah. So >> they need to spend a day in the
>> in the >> dispatch room and they need to listen to the calls that come in and >> you know how quick you have to think and how how much you have to maintain your poise and you know your cool uh to make sure people are getting the right care that they need.
>> Is there any training coming up? >> Uh no training yet. So um I have been in contact with state 911. I've still not received the uh okay for our our current grant or that we've just applied for. Um actually on that note um I actually attended a Zoom uh grant training class
last week uh for the application process. They also offer a uh Zoom training for the the reimbursement process which I will do hopefully in uh beginning of next month. Uh so hopefully that will help me. Um yeah, so I'm in contact with them. I'm
waiting to hear back. Um it's not I don't think it usually takes this long. So, um, there was some paperwork snapoos that we had to, you know, fix with them and there's Todd tells me there's the chief tells me there's always something every year. So, it's not it's not unusual, but so hopefully this week or next week we will hear,
>> right? >> And then we will be able to get our training started. >> Great. >> Thank you. You ready? >> Yeah. >> Come on up. >> Oh, they brought the cup. >> You might have heard something. >> They brought the cup.
>> Might heard some murmuring. >> Is this murmurs? >> Does this get passed around every year for the for the for the winners? >> I witnessed it the whole board games. >> You were MIA at some point.
I heard I heard stut leave it right there. Throw your money in it and we'll be back. >> It's going to be It's going to be under review. Has to be under $25 though. >> We're doing a boot drive. >> So, I changed the um agenda around a
little bit. Um may mayor >> you don't have to come up and sit here, but if you'd like, you're welcome. and I'm inviting you if you do want to make comments. So, I did um I did leave a couple messages for DPW. Um I know they're
busy, but um over time uh you know, we would like to invite them to our meetings. Um we agree with uh both you and the chief that they're a part of public safety. So, we'll get them here. Um
so the first um item on the agenda is just discussion about the process and procedures when the city or public safety or the police or the fire department receive concerns or complaints about speeding um or
safety. I mean we all know that sometimes we get them. Mayor, you've got them. They've walked into the DPW departments and we've gotten concerns. They've walked into the police departments, but I think it's important for us to just open up the door and
really talk about like, you know, what the steps are. No matter who gets the the concern, right? If we get it, if you get it, you know, we want to talk about like who does it go to, how does it get processed, you know, what are the steps if it, you know, ends up going to the fire department or the police
department, you know, what are they going to do for the steps? Did those steps work? If not, does it come back to us? So, you know, I'm opening up the floor to everybody here to talk about, you know, you know, what we think the at least as a start starting conversation on what we think the steps should be
when a complaint comes into any of our departments. Not a complaint, it's a concern. We could get complaints too, but >> So, um, may I speak? >> Sure. >> This is open for everybody to speak. just um I'm so happy that you're bringing that up because we have
multiple ones that come in. We also have a parking uh their parking commission that they get some of them um and they met last night, but I I've looked to see how this
was handled in the past and I don't think as a city we have a good uniform procedure for looking at this. We I had our communications person look back and different people are making decisions and I think we
have to talk about it. As I said, the first one that came up to me, it was, you know, Paul Newell and I decided on High Street that I don't know what kind of signs. I think there are blinking signs that come in that are going to be on either end of High Street. I'm not a traffic engineer. Part of this needs to
go to the police and tonight or, you know, to public safety. I just wanted to tell you the streets. I think you should probably be told every time or I should, you know, just write to you or communicate to you here at the meeting what streets people are talking about.
So that if it's a signage problem, it's one thing, but I think that all of public safety would want to know where those issues were. They may not actually be the worst issues in the city, but these are the ones that people are perceiving. So, um, the complaints that,
you know, people were talking that they thought people were driving too fast on High Street, Conway, Chapman, Norwood, and Crescent. And, um, you know, a couple of people came forward at this meeting last week.
Um, I mean, yesterday, and there's going to be another meeting. It actually we had a glitch with the Zoom. So, they're going to hold a meeting next Tuesday, but I think that definitely police should be involved with that as well. Like if there's signage that needs to go up, I have no idea which one is going to
work the best, but I would think it would be a multifaceted approach. >> I mean, I comments >> I can I can add to that. So just to add to what she just said, that's one entity
received. >> So that what that tells you and you guys aren't unfamiliar with the way the process work. Those are people that showed up at that meeting. We get a plethora of other complaints constantly every single day. Uh generally what what I try to do
personally is have a a dialogue back and forth with the complainant. >> Uh I'll give you two examples. So, two examples. Um, we had a essentially a chronic complainer on Allen Street. People are going to get killed here. It it went through the gamut. So, we're
street speeders every day. Things are going crazy. Well, we had a data collector there and we ran that data collector for quite a while on that street. And while doing that, we actually put our signs. We actually
posted up traffic enforcement, etc., etc. the end of that data collection period, what I found was there was virtually no speeding problem on Allen Street. And the data doesn't lie. So, the perception
of what's being seen and or the desire of an individual may not meet what we can do. Plain and simple. We I'd love to have a cop on every single street and slow cars down. We just don't do that. We just can't do it. Simply can't. So, that's one example. I sent a very nice
email back to the individual. I included in that email the stats from the data collector and said, "We have to properly triage traffic complaints and yours is not rising to the top. I'm sorry. Here's the other streets and this is where you sit very low on the priority list of of
enforcement places." Then I had another really angry individual who lived on on Lamp Black Road. He's up one side and down the other on me because we don't do anything about traffic on LampRock, which I is number one is wrong because we actually do um I
think there was 19 instances of traffic enforcement logged on log plane road. I went through the log. We log everything. That's why we log everything. >> Lamp black or log plate? >> Lamp. >> Lamp black. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Adams turns into it, >> right? >> Yep. So, um in in an entire year, there
were two accidents. One was simply a um >> mailbox mailbox got hit and the other one a car went off the road. No injuries, no nothing. I So again, data driven that doesn't rise to the level of us setting a whole troop up there. So um
if you compare that with streets such as the Rotary itself that has 300 accidents every year, we it wouldn't make sense to have someone up on Lamplack Road when it's almost certain to have another accident on the Rotary today. Um, so again, we are spreading out things we do
just so everybody's on the same table. I think 100% of the responsibility ultimately is police. We'll own that. We'll take it. Um, but we do have to get other entities involved as the mayor had suggested for signage changes, things of that nature. DOT in most cases has to
get involved. You can't just put, contrary to what you think, you can't just go and throw a stop sign. DOT has to come in like she's saying, engineers have to get involved. They like to do their thing. Um right now as if you guys aren't aware there's a really huge traffic study for um Mohawk trail big
time because they're redoing that whole big Y area. So um but again even the smaller roads require quite a bit of involvement from from other entities. We can't just you know crack a whip and say put a stop sign here and put this here. What we can do and we have done and with the help of DPW and certainly central
maintenance is we put those um solar radar signs up uh at basically every one of our command staff members now has rotated through writing grants and getting those. So we have those all over the place. That's one method. We have our two pull behind trailers that we we
deploy as often as possible. Uh we had what we call the dummy car out for a while. We don't have that option right now. We don't have enough cars. So that is something that will return and it's very effective. Uh what we get is we get an opportunity to do traffic enforcement without paying anything. It's a car
people you roll the dice whether or not you want to speed by a cruiser. So uh we've laughed about that. We've talked about it, but it is in fact very effective. Um so yeah, the end result is I think the pipeline has to end with us. We need to know every street everybody's complaining about. What people need to
understand is the amount of individuals working per shift based on budgets. We can't put them on. >> It just can't. >> What is the data? How many data collectors do we have? >> You know, how does it what does it pick up? Speeding is it
>> volume time of day, day of the week. >> Get all that data stream that you put it on and how long do you put it there for? >> Like a week or three, 10 days? >> They'll put it there month. So you can check various >> and you get all that data. It's for that
time from the spot. You know, any complaint area removed. >> We have two, but one has now become sort of end of life. >> And with a past grant where I think it was the one I wrote, the last two signs that I had purchased, I also ordered that new data logs. And again, you don't
see them. They mount on a pole and you just monitor traffic for a while. And again, what we can do there is we can actually get the facts of what's happening on these streets. And Jason Haskins is in charge of that. He's done a pretty thorough assessment of the streets of Green and And in most cases,
the people complaining, they're not lying, right? There's speeders. Yep. Four rain road. Shocker. People are flying down Bane Road. It's a long straightaway. So, it happens. Uh I think in a lot of cases, it's not quite to the extent the individuals are saying it is.
Um but there we we have traffic problems. Again, we we just lost unfortunately a very dedicated traffic enforcement patrol officer and that was Jet Henry. You'll notice when we read the stats today, we're down like 72 citations this month because we lost Jet. And and again, the component of
what we're trying to do is if we flood the street with traffic stops, that's the traffic safety. We've talked about this a million times. We wrote primarily, we write primarily warnings. It's a face-to-face educational moment. We're not beating everybody down with
speeding tickets. Um, the officers have great interactions with the motoring public, but they just can't be on every street. >> Okay. So, would it be a fair assessment? Say just some of the streets the mayor of was Tai Conway traffic silver street.
So the common dam that denominator there and I'll go back to it again and I've said it a hundred times is that there's no traffic control devices on that on those streets to slow traffic down to make them stop. I understand because I went through it with a stop sign on Country Club Road at the one lane bridge
do I asked for two signs they gave us one after review and so we put up sign. It works great. Everybody loves it in the neighborhood so you know I understand it. Um, take take Pleasant Street. There's four stop signs on Pleasant Street. And Pleasant Street's
how long? There 300 yards. And take Silver Street. There's one set of lap traffic control lights on Silver Street. That's it. And that's miles long. So that's that to me is a common. >> Absolutely. We talked many times.
>> Slowing traffic down. >> Silver Country Club should have one%. We were talking high in um high in Sanderson. >> What can be what can be done as far as signage without DO's involvement?
>> Like I said, we can put our radar signs up. We pick and choose where we want those to go. Um speed limit signs are dictated by statute. So those you put them wherever you you put them, but people don't listen to those anymore. We were talking just the other day and even our street signs, our radar signs turn
into nothing but a novel, right? you put them out there and they may work for a little bit and you know maybe it's a 50-50 thing. Some people see it. I know when I turn on to um wild wild was it wild would have I slow down because I just feel guilty >> but I don't think everybody does right.
So people now they're just like calibrating their speedometer to these things. >> So it's a good tool >> using the new and birch street example where a woman had called up and said there's young families that have just moved in. She feels this speeding going
one. Can you just talk through the like if you got that concern, what is the process you're going to follow? You gonna give it to Haskins and then what is he going to do? But >> he's going to get it out the patrols and make sure that they spend some time at that particular location in that area
running traffic and logging it >> or deploy the data collector and see if it's true a true problem or perceived problem. And if it was a true problem that you felt that kids were in, you know, running around the streets having fun and there was a lot of speeding. I mean, can we do anything about signs?
Can can neighborhood know signs that say kids in the neighborhood slow down? I mean, can any signs be put up by the direction of Greenfield that don't have to go to through the DOT or is that awesome? Is
>> that a DPW question? So, I I usually I've asked them a lot and I'm glad that we're talking about they usually know, they seem to know, but somebody wanted a four-way on high and and uh Sanderson and they're like, "No, we can't do that,
but we could do this." They they seem to know what some of the the rules are. But to me, you know, they know where that they can put them and they know on what streets you can put them because some are state, some are state and many of
the most of them are our own, but some of those bigger ones. It's a state guess you call it a stateowned street. So there's particular rules for them. Right. >> So, High Street is 2A considered a state through it. >> Right.
>> And it's also an ambulance access and >> right >> so it has to be cleared. It can't just be stop signs every >> No, we said that we we were just putting two. >> So, I think between the two of us, we made that decision that two I I think
they're blinking signs and I was going to ask about that. I don't know how much they cost and if that's effective. I find on Silver Street myself when I see those signs that say I live off of Silver Street, when it says to slow down to 30 or 35, I always take my foot off
the gas and look down and make sure that I'm staying within. I imagine that there's other people like me that slow down because they see a blinking sign. >> We haven't had an accident where somebody has blown through country club and the road continues. >> Oh, right.
>> Since we put the blinking stop sign up. So, so that was a year or so ago. So, it it it works. I'm I live on that street. I can see when people see that blinking sign, they start to slow down before the problem is is that speeding down the road and they don't slow down until they get a few feet from the stop sign, which
is a little bit too late. So, they see that one 25 ft back, 30 feet back. They do the initial slowdown and then they're really stopped at the stop sign and then they don't stop halfway out the street. The >> truth is, no one sees signs anymore. What they're seeing now is the lights. >> Yeah, they're seeing the lights. >> That's the thing now. You seeing the lights. So, think of how many signs are
out there. Come into Greenfield from Deerfield and tell me if you can read every single sign on that island that used to be there, right? There was a hundred signs. I There's no way you're going to read everything there. And that's your typical street now. So, there's definitely more things that have to go into these solutions. Absolutely.
Absolutely. So, so can we are we agreeing that all concerns will funnel through to the police departments? >> Right. Well, one other good thing that just happened is that Judy Brown is also now going to be the liaison um the city
liaison person to the parking um commission who gets a lot of asks for signs as well. So that information will get to the police department. But I just feel like I will always make you aware of the complaints that we get because it
should you all should know that and any suggestions to the process. I welcome one on Sanderson Street. We talked about a blinking stop sign on that, but the neighbors that were there, they didn't want the blinking stop sign.
>> Sure. Nobody wants >> in their eyes. And I'm like, in the end, I think public safety trumps all of it. So, I don't have all of the answers for that. That's why we brought it up as why
it's here as a topic. >> Yep. >> Um, I have one question. I'd like the DPW and the police and all of our service people to look at the obstruction of vegetation
on Silver and Federal and Berneston Road. There is a pile of vegetation on the corner where you can't see what's coming down Berneston Road because of the thickness of the vegetation. you can't see coming out of Countryside
Condominiums Road to the south on Country Club Road because there's huge piles of of bushes that are obstructing your vision. There are other areas around the city that have obstructive
vegetation that really should be uh looked at lowered so that it's below the the window level of a driver so that they can see what's coming and they don't have an obstructed view. So I I'd
suggest that we look at that as well. DPW could have, you know, they're all over the place all over all the time. They could have suggestions. The police could have suggestions. And I say that if we work with DPW to alleviate
ameliate this situation that could be something that would be great for a lot of people there. There might be less hesitation. You know, in other words, somebody might not get into an accident if they can see. A lot of what you're talking about though, it doesn't fall within the DPW's
purview because it's going to be on private property. Although maybe Tree Belt, it's still opening up a can of worms. I'll give you one. Maple and High Street. >> Yeah. >> You come up Maple Street and you want to take a right or left and you look south to see what's coming north and there's a hedro that run that has drove me nuts
forever and it's been a fight forever >> and I >> because it's privately owned. It's not as easy as a DPW coming over and grinding them down. And I think that zoning board should have something to say about it. In other words, the zoning board should say the hedges have to be a certain
height at intersections because they can't be that 12 feet high. So you can't see around them. >> People might like them. >> Yeah. >> But you know, >> so all ordinances are being reviewed. That's uh that is a very good point
where I came from. We had something about the height restriction on anything that was in in an intersection. Um I have a a complaint on the Duran um at the end of the road that's very if
it's on and we had one >> by um Starbucks in Aldi's because they weren't the lane. I went up there myself and I sent Mark Snow up there because we had to find out was that Mass DOT land. So, it depends on who owns it. But Mark
went in and talked to the uh owner of Starbucks and they took care of that and have been doing it since. But I took all kinds of pictures of it because I thought people going to be taking a right right there. You can't see. Exactly. >> So, I think >> in in some cases, it's a stop sign
that's just at the right height. So you can't see what's coming the other way or a or a street sign or or some kind of a sign that's so big and at such a level that it obstructs your view of the of the street and oncoming traffic or where
you're supposed to pull out. So I'm saying safety hazard wise I think this might be something to look at but I'm not saying that I can I can cure it. I'm just saying I'm identifying the possible problem. If I have a question. >> Yeah, absolutely.
>> What is the policy on you said something about the speeding when you when an officer stops the speeder right now? Are you just giving them warnings or are you actually giving them tickets? >> Officer discretion. >> Officer discretion.
>> It's any number of things can happen. I'll do them including arrest depending on what the offense is. But looking at our statistics, the vast majority of our officers are seemingly compassionate and they write mostly warnings.
>> But I'm assuming if it's a repeat offender and they know the person, they're not going to be taken advantage of. >> So there's a thing when you when you pull over a motor vehicle, there's thing what we call a KQ. It's your driver history. And officers are they know to look through that. So whenever you run a plate in your car, it brings up a a ton
of information. One of the things is their driver's history. And obviously, if there's a a horrible history, the person isn't learning. So now all of a sudden, it's beyond an educational moment. Now we have to turn it into a punitive moment. We're going to start
issuing citations for that. So >> in most cases, there's not they're not bad drivers histories. They're just >> so the warnings are in that history. >> No, you might not see a warning, but we would what we do. So more information that you get is our in-house records and
they would see the warning in that. Yeah. And they look through this stuff. That's how they make their decisions. >> So the warnings can be verbal or written. >> We don't like verbal. It's a waste of time. Although there are some. >> Okay. So we do a written >> Oh. So you get credit for what you do. You don't want a ticket. What's the
point of stopping a car? >> Written down. It didn't happen. >> Well, it's a good start for the conversation. Um, the concern that I have is, you know, like I've seen this, you know, they I know of this concern
about Norwood and Birch Street. I hope you guys have it, right? I mean, and then like, you know, is there going to be follow up? >> I don't know. >> I think we should make sure that whoever gets it and whoever is going to take the lead on it follows up with the person that has put in the concern, right? So, that person
>> need that one because I don't have it. I can give you that. >> Perfect. Ju just so the just so like you know if somebody calls public one if somebody asks one of the public safety commissioners a question we want to get back to them to make sure they feel like they're getting a a response to it. >> So I want to make sure that
>> it's one of those things where you're going to find this. The individual calls and complaints if you do anything to that intersection like a physical change everybody else is now going to complain about the change. It's and we've seen this for 30 years
to keep up. I mean, I have a neighbor that's comes to my house and complains about the blinking stop sign on street every other day. And I keep saying we haven't had an accident there since it's been put up. Right. So, you know, I understand. And the light's not shining in his house. It's on the opposite side of
>> I'd rather not have a fatality. >> Exactly. >> Okay. Well, thank you. Any other? >> I have one one more that um I just want to bring to your attention. Homestead Avenue and GCC.
>> Um so this if I feel like it merits being here tonight and somebody came and spoke about that yesterday at the parking commission. Evidently the gate that is from the college that goes on to
Homestead was always closed. And I'm not quite sure how that decision was made to open it, but they are opening it every day now that um during the time that school is in session from 8:00 in the morning until 10 at night
and the neighbors that are on Homestead are very concerned. I I'm not sure. I don't think that's I've walked there. I don't remember that that street even has sidewalks, but I could be wrong. Um, >> well, that gate was closed for a gazillion years, so they never had traffic. It was like a dead end.
>> They didn't. And they're talking about the uh size of the street and it's a big change to that neighborhood. And I think that the person who's in charge, I'm speaking, I don't know this any officially, but that maybe who's ever in
charge of uh things at at GCC as far as security that decision made has has been made there. And but it does have an impact in the neighborhood. And surely if the town weighed in one way or another, that would have you know an
impact if this group and parking in you know the parking commission felt that there that impacted the residents there. I just would you can think about it but I would like your opinion on that as well. >> There there's a meeting coming up. GCC
has called the meeting. >> Oh okay. Is the chief involved? >> Yes. So some of the history of this was everybody's absolutely correct. We all know that gate to always be shut. >> It's always been shut for years in >> when we first started it was not.
>> Okay. That was a through street back in >> then they decided it was on and off and on and off and and they ended up closing the gate. So yes, the residents of Homestead have have lived a sort of dead end street life. >> I was literally with the president of GCC today who reminded me there is a
meeting coming up. So he's given up the the president of GCC wants this. The reason for this is public tape. The reasons for this is if anything happens an active shooter or anything at GCC, they are in a literal >> bottleneck and this gives another opportunity for people to flee.
>> So right now they have one way and they're stuck one way. So this is nothing more than a safety measure. They open a gate. The chief of GCC personally sat at that gate for an entire shift, entire school day. Three cars traveled to three.
>> So that's not again these are perception and reality are two very different things. I get that they're used to living a certain way, but the truth is it's a public way. All of that is a public way. And certainly the property owned by GCC is owned by the state. If they want to open a gate, they can open
the gate. That's the truth to the story. So it's not overwhelmingly being used. It's three cars in an entire day went through there of the hundreds that go in there all day. >> That's a fire lock, right? Because if the fire department needs to get in that way, >> they can they can open the lock and away
they go. >> Saying no, >> we got a big set of bolt cutters. We can get through. >> Yeah. >> But again, the what they came down to is they do drills all the time. They do training. We sat in with a bunch of training with them. They're active shooter. They're they're very proactively trying to keep everybody
sort of on the cutting edge of what to do under these circumstances. And that was part of what they learned through one of these past ratings was, "Wow, we need other ways out." >> And why would you sit on that? >> I mean, this could benefit everybody. >> The bottom line is is that the residents
and are used to it being a quiet street with no cars for only the residents driving in that street and now it's open to for students. So I don't know if there's going to be a solve for the situation, but it is a public road. >> Well, I will say they are calling a meeting and they will discuss it. Like I
said, it's not just a well, it's ours, so we can do that. They're not doing that. They are playing diplomacy here and they're willing to talk >> and it's not a great egress anyways because you got to still turn corners and road >> and stop signs in a little bit to get out of that area. >> Well, somebody should I mean, I'm not
stopping at a stop sign. I'm sorry. Give me my ticket. I don't think I don't think I don't think they'll be watching. >> They're going the other way. They're going towards their road. You're going to get stuck. That's why they have another road through home.
>> Yeah. Well, thank you for the um >> So, when is that? >> I'll definitely for >> this a doodle poll. I haven't set a date yet. >> Okay. Maybe I can doodle somebody
and we'll let it neighbors are going to know. >> Okay. All right. Very good. >> Thanks. >> All right. Thank you, sir. Any any more >> do we need any more initial discussion about the topic? >> We good to go? Okay. All right. We're going to move on. The next topic I have
I listed it as quality of life issues on Main Street. I have received at the library when I was there by two young mothers complaints when they are downtown with their kids about pot smells and smoke and then kids having to
be exposed to it. So I think it's important for us to have the discussion about that. I mean I would like initially to know what is what are the mass general laws for for that type of thing. You would know that better than me. I think some of us probably know that here, but um I the the the two
young um the two young mothers uh that were friends um approached me when I was at the library. I do use our library quite a bit and I'm proud of it. Um >> you know how >> and um my spelling my spelling and grammar
isn't as good as yours. Mr. Dictionary anyway. They they wanted to be an they they do not want their names published. They want to be anonymous. >> Fair enough. >> So let's start the conversation about that. >> So this was discussed at this is a political thing. So
>> it was discussed at the at the last department head meeting. We kind of touched on it. Um this is a national thing, right? So I had said previously there was about a year ago I traveled to down the eastern seabboard. I've been out west a little bit. There's not a
place, a popular place you can go anymore that you don't smell marijuana everywhere. It's everywhere and in some cases it seems people simply want to flaunt it, right? Um so with regards to Massachusetts, we have talked talked
ordinance change um various methods. First and foremost, we got to decide if it's a problem. >> Well, what is the mass general laws? So mass general laws there's there's uh MGL that for our citation purposes under 8510 they give municipalities the
authority to issue citations for city ordinance or town bylaw violations. 8510 allows communities to do that. We have we're part of that. So now you now you can take that in another portion of a state law. So when the state when the acts came out about smoking in public,
smoking cigarettes in public, there's already regulation to say, you know, in municipalities under 8510 can create bylaws to so that you can't smoke in certain municipally controlled areas. when they made the laws relative to marijuana, they just partnered to that
and said this cannot be smoked also where marijuana I mean sorry where cigarettes previously were not allowed to be smoked. We already have it. We really have to change nothing and we can start citing city ordinance violations for smoking on municipally owned or
controlled properties. That's a that's a situation the mayor is going to have to chime in on because again that's where it becomes a little bit political and are we going to walk around citing people. Um I know that historically we are relatively aggressive I'd say about kicking people out of like the bets mall
who are smoking or down in the um the energy park. >> Yep. >> If our officers encounter people smoking in public they ask them to distinguish it. I don't think we've cut a ton of citations for it. I think when Laura Gordon was here, she did. But this goes
back to an entirely different problem, which was the processing of a city ordinance violation. There's stacks of them under desks that never got processed, if you remember that conversation. So again, there's a processing issue. Ken Chaffy and the district court won't take them. He won't accept city ordinance violations unless
they're criminal. So again, this requires more people to get involved in the conversation, I think. Is it a thing? Absolutely. Everywhere you go, you smell. >> Is it almost the same as open bottles or openly drinking?
>> No. No. >> You'd have to think about it more like cigarettes. It's just the same. >> So, it's within a certain number of feet of a particular >> if you walk down the the vets mall, there's signs out there saying no smoking in the vets mall. I mean, that's what you would have to do. signage would
have to probably be added because technically we maintain our sidewalks which means it's m municipally owned and maintained property so technically they can't smoke marijuana. I mean I I don't I don't know if personally me there's six of us here you
know I'm not sure about you know citing people right but it's like speeding tickets I mean you know I have my my thoughts about those you know I've talked to you about it but you know I I want to make sure that you know that you know if someone the goal is if you know
a young family's downtown and they're getting ice cream they don't have to sit there and their ice cream and have all this smoke in their face and if we could move the people along or educate them that I mean that's a good start, right? I mean I don't know if you're gonna you're going to site somebody and give them a ticket. I I doubt we're probably
gonna you're going to get the paid for that. You know, I don't know. >> But if we if we enhance that process, yeah, we would. So, but again, the mayor's aware of one. We just recently had it. One of our, you know, main stores in Greenfield. >> The owner reached out and said, and very
tactfully and just, you know, people are standing out here while my customers are in. So, simple thing. I reached out to Zoe. I said, "Zoe, here's this email. Do what you do. And and maybe you can just ask them to use a little discretion. Go somewhere else. You smoke it, but just don't smoke it right there in the entrance to the store."
>> But why didn't they smoke there? >> Because no one's enforcing them not smoking there right now. >> I mean, the store owner is going to, you know, people going to turn away. I mean, can't can't we just try to move them along? Like I mean educate like this is one of those things where you attack
them for smoking marijuana and 90 people are going to attack you for attacking them for smoking marijuana. >> It it could I just it can't just be for marijuana. They if you're going to do that and I just want you to know >> the size of that issue. I mean it would
be kind of a game changer for downtown. I mean it's a good topic to bring up. We had a cleanup day. We picked up milk like it was probably a million cigarette butts. We did all in front of city hall.
We blow the cigarette butts out of there twice a week. It's, you know, a couple of days later it's in it's enormous. I actually reordered cigarette butt containers because people are doing it and I would prefer that
they put them in the in the containers as opposed to on the ground and us having to pick them up. We put them by the parking garage because they get out and they just throw them. Um I actually talked with Christy, our recreation director, and there's no
smoking in parks, but there is smoking in the park. they they are smoking in in um you know the pocket park. There were thousands of cigarette butts there and so we put a cigarette butt container in the park because I'd rather have them go
into the >> No. And that that's a good sense thing to do. I I thought so and listening to this and yet, >> you know, we have all kinds of complaints about things that happened downtown. If no one was allowed to smoke
there at all, I I you can't make it one or the other. It can't just be marijuana or cigarettes. It would totally change it. It would be a big change. It would be also a huge enforcement thing on our
police. I just >> I don't think we should be afraid that if we're going to enforce something every once in a while, we worry about the 90 complaints we're going to get because we enforce something. I mean, >> I think the point you're not getting is that the parks are already no smoking, but now the city has put smoking
receptacles in there. So, we're essentially saying we're not subscribing to our own active ordinances. >> I could put >> So, we start going after these people when we just gave them receptacles, we're in a pickle. This is a weird place
to be, right? So again, it takes people to decide, do are we gonna have smoking or not smoking downtown? I think there's going to be, you know, torches and pitchforks if you tell people they can't smoke downtown. And again, you put your smoking receptacles in downtown and sure. Now, a half a dozen responsible
people go to them. The rest of them stay sitting in that Windsor chair and just send it. And they're certainly not ashing their marijuana ones in there because they're making that and they're bringing it back to add to another batch. So the original
problem is do we want to get rid of the marijuana smell that is plaguing the downtown in every downtown across America. It's everywhere. That's just what's happening right now. >> So it's a civil violation of $100 >> international law 94G subsection.
>> Well, it's 85 we see the town can make their ordinance. >> We came up with the ordinance. It's one of our >> collect the civil $100 from somebody who doesn't have a $100 >> and how much are you going to spend collecting that $100? You going to spend $300 collecting hundred bucks?
>> So it comes down to it comes down to the education part of it. Hey, listen. There's little kids on Main Street. Would you mind taking that someplace else? >> This is our goal. >> Common sense. That's our goal. business district officers and and and Jake Mcclelay and Zoe have done amazing
things down there. We're going to keep on this in hopes that they continue to increase the quality of life downtown. The goal for them and I set an example sitting with the sheriff today and the example I had was I left the mayor's office two weeks ago, our normal
appointment. I turn up bank row and there's Jake sitting in one of those chairs on the common like this flanked by all those that are believed to be unhoused and they're just having a ball hanging out. Now that was the point. So what happens is
in two days from now when one of them's a little bit out of line, Jay can say, "Hey, do me a favor." And that's the point. So it's still relatively new. It's not been here that long. So, I think if we can continue to enhance our relationships with those individuals
downtown, we can get them to do what we're asking them to do out of respect. You're always going to have outliers. You always will, but we I think we can minimize the damage through diplomacy. I think it with with additional people. >> Yeah. I I'm not saying it don't do it
that way. I'm just saying that we do need to pay attention to young mothers that are making this complaint or anybody that's making this complaint that, you know, and and if they if I owned a store downtown and they were hanging around my store all day long and they were smoking and they were making it so my customers wouldn't come in, I'd
be pretty upset and I'd want something to be done. But I think you're right. You get more with honey, right, than you do with vinegar. So, you know, I'm not saying let's go ticket everybody, but I think we we shouldn't be afraid of, >> you know, making folks realize, hey,
this is, you know, making it a learning experience for I mean, the businesses and the families of Greenfield that go downtown deserve that. >> Yeah. I just say moving the benches at um by the pocket park was one thing that
I probably took the most criticize criticism for as a mayor and that was actually a public safety issue and a um there were people that couldn't get by on the sidewalk because there were so many people that were hanging in that particular place and they're really
difficult decisions to make but it was important to businesses but many people with strollers elderly people that sidewalk was impassible. So, you have a good point and I'm happy to take listen and take guidance from you as well with the other. >> I mean, they are they are hard decisions
to make, but we have to make them and we have to look at the whole picture. Um, we can't just cater to a certain group of people or another group of people. I mean, we we have a downtown. We're trying to get people to be attracted and come downtown. They're not going to be attracted to come downtown if every time
they bring their kids there, their kid has to run into a ball of smoke, hot smoke. That's the bottom line. >> One thing I'd like to ask is, do we have the capability of asking our Franklin County uh business association to help
with the education program? In other words, have them have a program about, you know, safe safe streets for the kids. If you're gonna smoke, smoke away from the kids. Smoke away from the mothers who are who have their kids. You
know, make the business district a business district instead of a smoking district. You know, trying to educate people in a in a nice sort of way. I think that the business association could probably uh do something with that
in their advertising or in their promotions of Greenfield businesses somehow. We we're trying to get businesses back to Greenfield and you know promoting things in a nice sort of way might be a better way. I I don't know whether it'll work or not. I'm just
saying we got to try something. >> I'm for that. Thank you. I don't think we can enforce our way out of it. >> No, I don't either. >> I mean, things turn on. They happen because of spite of spite. Once you get
to that point, the nice guy broke >> civil civil disobedience. >> No, it's what it is. But if you look at it again, the numbers that a lot of them want to do it. So they said I think I was trying to eat a burger and on the strip in Vegas and I was probably higher
than the guy smoking the huge was coming right through the restaurant every corner I went every time I walked around I went all over like you said it's every community I go to go up to an intersection how many times you stop in your car at an intersection you smell it wafting in your windows people driving
up in front of you I mean it's everywhere it is everywhere right now but it's not going to get less It's just a matter of hoping for compliance, that's all. Help us out. >> Well, we appreciate what the downtown offices are doing and just, you know,
it'll be noticeable if there's a change. I know you're working hard at it. Any other comments for public safety commissioners? >> Excuse me. >> I said you don't want to hear my >> whipped Maria. >> I would love to hear yours, but that's
okay. Any other comments from anyone on this? All right, we will move on to general updates. You got anything else, man? >> Yeah. >> Thank you, mayor. Appreciate your time.
>> The stats. >> I forgot what we were doing here. >> Oh, was that it? >> The boring stuff. August. Uh we handled 3,62 calls which was up 94.
Time spent on that was 1861 hours which is up 179 hours. Calls handled downtown business district stays pretty steady at about the 300 range. 300 pretty it has been pretty steady.
>> Uh incident reports were down 23 to 170. Accident reports were up 6 to 53. Arrest reports issued were up 11 to 58 and citations were down as I had previously indicated to by 72 to 163. So
immediately upon seeing that uh the command staff went to work and were respect respectfully asking the the balance of the troops to step up and cover the gap that was created by Jet Henry was a real he was outgoing with
the traffic stop and stuff. So >> how were they feeling about that? I haven't heard anything yet, but I don't care. I want them to just step up. I don't care how you feel. >> So, in other words, fill the void that Jed left. >> So, we'll see if the void's going to be filled.
>> Yeah, it it'll be filled. Um, I'll fix the numbers. >> Yeah. Yeah, Chris made the sheet, so he might have just done that to make me angry. Officer movement. >> Not not much movement right now. Officer Scoville is currently in the academy
still. um last I heard. So hopefully still bring it in there. >> Um haven't heard anything bad, which is usually a good thing when they're in the academy. So no news is good news until they come back to us. >> When is the when when's the completion date? January maybe.
>> Yeah. >> Um we are working on um we're short one right now due to Jed again. So, we're likely scheduling some interviews in the near future and we're trying to develop a plan to vet individuals. Yeah, we're
trying to we're trying to vet although we can't use them as police officers, we want to hire them on and we're exercising this right now trying to figure out the the works to it, but we want to get individuals who will then go to the academy in so we can get a a large portion of their training
done ahead of time. But more importantly, like we used to do in in days of old, we can see them and vet them ahead of time before sending them to a six-month academy on a full salary dime. It'd be nice to see them for a while, put them to the test a little bit, and make sure that it's a good
mutual mutually beneficial plan. >> How does that work? >> We hire them and we just train them. >> What are you hiring them as? >> Police officers. But they can't they have no powers. So we take them on basically under the guise of training.
So back in the day, I don't know how they do it now, but I know back in the day the state police would hire you on and you were part of division of standards and training. You weren't the division of law enforcement. That's why they could pay. >> They're not being sworn in. >> They're not being sworn in. So we're hiring them on so that we own them and
now we have them on a rotation that we can put them through all the training that we have. But again, the benefit that we get is the vetting process. We get to see them. We get to know that they can do it. They have the capabilities to learn. They have the capabilities. They have the right personality. Super important. The
individual we have in the academy right now is a perfect example of what we'd rather not do. And I'm not saying it's not going to be perfect. He might work out magically, but we don't know him. >> We don't know. >> That's a to me that's a risk. >> You're taking a throwing the dice.
>> To do this once do this once put you out a year and a half. My point in that is you go through your hiring process, you vet out your candidate list, you send one to an academy. That academy is six months long. Then you put them through a three-monthlong field training
program that that's when you determine whether or not this is going to work. You're nine months. That doesn't work. Well, you give them remedial. We don't just kick them out like we invested a lot of time. We want to make sure we get the best opportunity. So now you're at at least nine months out before you
decide this isn't working. So you're back to the drawing board to hire. >> But we've we've been in that situation where it didn't work out. >> Oh, absolutely. >> Sure. >> Absolutely. So right now that means you're not seeing a new cop in that spot for a year and a half minimum. Minimum year and a half. So why not onboard them
now? get to see them and make sure they can go before we spend six months full-time salary on an academy trained person that comes back to be a flop. >> So, not everybody can do it. >> Are they hired with the understanding of this plan? >> Absolutely. >> So, they're not going to come back and
say you committed. >> Yep. >> So, they this is they know >> there's nothing hidden in this process. This was actually started out as Chris's Chris had a plan of sort of hiring onto dispatch because dispatchers know our
nomenclature. They know our codes. They know our radios. They know our software programs. They get to know the people. There's so much that they learn. The problem is we can't steal a spot from the dispatch union to do this knowing they're going to metriculate over the
police. So, well, that doesn't mean they just because they were dispatcher, they're going to work out as an officer. >> No, no, that's not But no, we hire them as a cop, but we were going to take a spot from dispatch, take a spot from, >> which is not fair to their union. Now, we're going to ask, and I talked to their president already, will you allow
our new police officer hires to sit in with you a considerable amount of time? They'll get their training benefits, but they'll show from the dispatch perspective, which is actually good to have. Um, it's good to our officers, it's it's good for them to be able to see through the eyes of a dispatcher.
You know, there's a little compassion that you gain there, right? Um, and vice versa. That's why we have dispatchers do ride alongs with us and we have officers sit in there. We want to we want them to know each other's life a little bit. They can understand the frustrations a little bit more. So, uh, but again,
putting them in with dispatch and and paying dispatchers their training stipens, they can we can get a lot of police training done in that environment while being overseen by a police training officer, right? And then because they're hired as a police officer, we get to steal them anytime we
want. Put them in a car, bring them to the range, show them scenarios, do go through policies. we can get the vast majority of the real time consuming things done before they ever leave to the academy. And like I said, the biggest benefit in that whole thing is that we know they can do it by the time
they leave for that academy is we put them to the test. >> So is the next interview process going to follow that path? >> Yes, that's the path for next week's interview process. those >> the pre previous one and that one. Yeah. >> We're going to have a >> previous folks that we interviewed.
>> There was two on that list that stood out in in your in the committee's minds. >> We have one opening right now. >> It was You sure there was two? I remember giving someone a negative zero. >> You did still still averaged out to pass. >> No.
>> Can you for me the two names of who you think are out of those five? That was the worst interview process I think I've done in my history. >> I don't think it's I don't think it's the ones that you gave that score. >> No, >> it's not. No, it's not. >> It better not be.
>> It's not. No, it's not. They were actually decent interviews. Uh but it's we have we have one opening as we speak and then we know we have another one as of November 30th. Marcus Ballin is in fact retiring November 30th. So, um and then Jason Kratz, he's very open about
it. This ain't a secret. He's he's talking now about maybe even December. So, it's likely more likely March, but >> that's three positions. >> Yeah. But there's an academy in February that this happens then. >> The sooner we get these individuals in, the sooner we start vetting them and
making sure they qualify that they can do it and and vice versa. They got to know they want to do it. So, >> so how long will the qualifying period be? >> Till the academy comes. Mhm. >> It's all predicated upon when the next academy pops up and right now we know it's February
>> in in Holio and I think it's March and uh points. >> So again, there's one in there now. Um moving on to substation. We're still fine-tuning hours and stuff, but that's been we we get a lot of really good feedback.
We're still doing a little bit of odds and ends in there just to put like workstation stuff in there. Um I'm happy to report two of our three new cruisers are actually on the build line. So um
the Lightning will take a little bit longer, but the two hybrids are on the build line. Um, I laughed because the deputy chief was at the station until like after 6 the other night because >> we didn't have a radio. So, these radios
are $8500 for these mobile radios in these cars, right? So, we believed we had a stack of these radios from when we changed over our radio system in dispatch. Uh, but they what we realized quickly was they went into our last two bills, but we did
have a third. We knew that. So he found a third real quick and then not wanting to trust or believe anybody else, he went through basically every room in the building and he found components and
built another 8500 system at all. We have two >> parts and pieces. Okay, >> he got it. He saved us 8,500 bucks on a ramp. >> That's why he never throws anything else. >> He will. Yeah, >> but he didn't want to trust anybody. you guys are trust. >> Um, so again, we we will be bringing
that second radio out soon. We do have to purchase a third, but again, as you were told before, I think Carol Collins, working her magic, has 30,000 towards our lightning through a grant. And um that'll offset the 8,500 extra that has
to go into that truck >> the only problem originally they're telling us going to be eight weeks to get them. And so we have our rep who helped us with the big stereo with the big radio upgrade that we did, Kevin McKenna from Motorola, he made some calls and he believes he can push that
up a heck of a lot better than eight weeks. So um good news, bad news, Lieutenant Haskins, I'm sure you've seen in the paper, has come down to one of the top two finalists for the Monu Chief
selection. Um, we talk to him daily about it. Um, he's not he's not trying to be in the dark about it. Basically, it's about finances at this point. So, um, if Montyu doesn't essentially pay him what actually makes sense, he's not
going to go, which in that case, that's a win for us. Um, even if he does, I'm super proud of that. The fact that Monagu would take one of our lieutenants. In my opinion, that speaks volumes for us. um he rose to the top of their their process. So um and and we
all know Jay, he's a good dude. He's going for his PhD. He he there's no moss growing under his feet. He's constantly in December. So >> um >> when will when will you think he'll know about >> October 6th? >> October 6th. October 6, Monu will be
doing their probably live conversation amongst the hiring committee and they'll be handing over the pros and cons about each of the last two candidates and they'll make their final selection and then it'll be up to the individual to to take it. It's looking like I don't know,
we never know, but it's looking like Jay is the favorite and he could very well likely get the nod, but again, right now it absolutely he's not going to sugarcoat it. They're not offering enough money. >> Yep.
>> Um, again, you might have heard something about this, but we are the champions. >> We are the champions. >> Where's the candy? Where? See, you know, I think if I think if the fire department had brought this up, they
would be wrong. I worded it wrong. The fire department are not the champions of the bases south to benefit Captain John Whitney. U the police department actually uh is able to make that comment. Uh but again I we
were there we were hanging out. Um thank God for us that uh it was such a big success. >> You should raise some extra money for John's family with the trophy. >> We did. That's why that's my point. And I think Bob would have brought it would
have been filled with candy. >> Sounds like a Sounds like a fireman's bell. >> Yeah. >> I mean, really. >> I honestly the deputy chief and I were talking about this. I honestly have not seen a better team building event in a long and I'm talking across disciplines.
>> Yep. >> No BS. It probably was the biggest morale builder for everybody that I've seen in a dreaming long time. >> That's great. Our team came together and everybody came together. There was a lot of smiling faces. It was a great day. I think a lot of it had to do with the
fact that it could all be done right there in that one little geographic area. >> Yeah. >> The one they did before, you're walking from a field and like that small all the way over to the back of the high school and it was kind of >> the fact that it was all right here. It it was real fun because you had some big people and they're hitting last home
runs, but you could only hit one an inning because after that it's an out because the fields are so small. But again, I had my grandson there and it was a it was a day. There was music, there was DJs, there was food, everybody was participating and wow, it was it's definitely something that this this has
to happen every year. >> I I would just like to go on the record and say that I handicapped the fire team playing with them. They didn't have a handicap on their team. >> They said you had a ringer, but that so that wasn't you? >> No,
it's more like ringers lack. So if you're asking Kyle said they had a ringer, >> their ringer did not work out. >> Nelson had the meeting last month. That's exactly right. >> So how's Melvin? >> Uh Melvin. So we're waiting to hear. He did go and get an MRI.
They don't think it's an actual tear. So he's out at least until the six. He's got like a twoe note. Um and then after that he's got to go back. They'll review them whether or not it's longer. He's a worker. I can tell you he's one of the people that he's not going to
drag this out. He wants to get back to work. So, >> yeah, but he's he's in good spirits. He's okay. >> Okay. >> You want to do the last two pages, the budget report? >> Oh, come on. Give us the good news. Um,
we're still above the line on cruiser maintenance, but that's not going to last much longer. Um, yeah, the biggest thing is the fixing all the cars. We just got smacked on another several thousand dollar bill on one of our cars. And then once we got
that bill, some electrical issues happened on another car. So, it's just rotating them in and out of APW and Ford. Um, we got the two cars coming hopefully early October. Then we'll have the the truck come December.
And when you receive those, they got to then go get fitted out or they fitted out. That's the >> They should be all fitted out except for the um the computer which we already have it set up with the a company that's coming to our department >> and putting everything in. So everything
will be one-stop shopping. >> Yep. >> Can't get those quick enough. >> Nope. Uh call response was extremely busy. Um the co-responder we were introducer uh well last last month she was supposed
to be on but um she was on a call this month uh she had a uh she's due to have a baby I don't know how long another month >> I think it's late fall >> late late fall >> yeah but she was at uh one of her appointments today she couldn't come on
but they were busy last month at 37 calls uh 50 total with including Deerfield and Monu uh six section 12s, six diversions, and no injuries or arrests. So, that's a that's a bus that's a busy
month. >> Yeah. >> So, who's making the determination that it's a co-response call? When it comes to your dispatch, who makes that determination? >> Nature. >> Yeah. Yeah. Nature of the polic it's it's categorized as such and if we
have one available, they go. But sometimes the the co-responders riding with different officers during throughout the shift. So they will slide anyway to go over you know it's it's not they don't go just because they are directly uh dispatched to it. They'll
flow to several calls and they change and they change their system slightly. So Caitlyn the manager has actually been sitting in dispatch. >> So as these calls are coming in she's kind of screening them as well to determine whether or not they're a co response call. So, um, that's actually worked out very well, too. So, it's it's
it's evolving a little bit. >> And we have the manager and we have one other person, right? >> Two >> two two in the field. >> Yeah. We have we have Caitlyn who's the manager. We have Katherine who's been on for quite a while now. Now, we have Christina.
>> Okay. >> Who just came on in uh was it May or June? >> Okay, great. So, we're back kind of >> We got two and a half. Really? Caitlyn's more behind the scenes now, but she she does respond, you know, and they're
elsewhere. But yeah. >> And you said they do they rotate shifts, right? >> Yes. >> One's on day, one's on afternoon or >> Yeah. Usually days and eaves and then Caitlyn works whatever. She's the manager, so she'll her hours are whatever whatever it is. She has
meetings to have and all that stuff, too. But then she fills in some of the blanks other >> comments. I have uh I think two. One is that I saw the cadetses. I don't know how involved you are with the cadet training or anything else or where that
comes from, but at the fair, they showed very well. They looked good. They were very sharp. They were very nice. I don't know how you're involved with them. >> I can't take the credit for that is almost entirely ten. >> I think he needs a lot of support. I I
think he needs some attabo and uh thank you for showing I mean they just look good out there. >> And uh the other thing is is there anything where they're thinking of a career coming in and and building their
skill level up to arriving >> kind of one of them dispatchers already took a job. >> Yeah. >> But they're they're working that way. >> Okay. Yeah. >> That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I remember we were a few years old. >> If you build your program, they will come. >> Well, you talk about a stepping stone program. So, you know, I think that ends
at 18. >> He can't be a police officer yet to 21. >> Oh, I see. >> At 18, he took the job as dispatch. So, you want to talk about goals, he's working perfectly towards where and like I just said, how much you learn as a dispatcher about the police side, it's a ton.
>> And it gives you that evenheaded >> feel where you're going to be >> on a level. where no matter what you keep your your cool. So that's good. >> Some may stay dispatch, some may go off and do something else, but obviously his goals are his goals and he's he's
chipping them out one of one by one. >> Understood. No, I just wanted to give you that feedback. >> No, it's it's he's deserving of it. Jason has done a really good job with that. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Any more questions or comments?
You all set? >> Great. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? >> No. >> No. You got more comments. >> You have more comments. >> No question. >> Okay. >> Next meeting is November. >> Yes.
>> Did I get Did I >> What happened to October? >> I made That's an error. I'm skipping October. >> I was >> There's many There was some >> Okay. What's the meeting date of? >> There was some I can tell you that there
was some communication and grammar challenges. >> Uh let's bring up October. >> So that would be um one one two the 22nd. >> So that's correct. That's the fourth
Wednesday of the month. the 22. There's five five Wednesdays in October. So, it would be the 22nd >> and November is still the 26th. >> I don't that No, that's probably off. Do we have to think that far in advance? >> You could. >> Who knows? It'll be It'll be by Thanksgiving. Maybe we won't be
>> November. November we probably won't meet because it is on the 26th. >> So, we probably will cancel November. >> It's probably it's probably a negotiated day off. >> So, let's worry let's worry about October. Okay. The 22nd of October.
Thank you for bringing that up. >> Commission. >> I have trouble manage my life. >> And um one more question. >> Want to make sure that we get the DPW in here. >> We're going to work with the mayor and uh the chief of police to work hard on getting DPW to attend some of our meetings.
>> Yes. >> I move that we >> second. >> And we have three. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Thank you for paying attention. We are there. >> Can you chief, can you shut the recording off, please?
>> Where's the camera? >> See you walk downtown with Chief. Chief, you got to got to cut back on the gloating. It's It's not It's not compliment. >> Did I come off as bragging? [Music]