This is a meeting of the elderly and disabled taxation fund. This meeting is being recorded by the elderly and disabled taxation fund committee. If any other person's present are recording, please notify the chairperson at this time.
Seeing none, we will proceed. So, I'm calling this meeting to order. I'm going to do a roll call of of members. Jim Gisman >> here. >> Andy,
>> you're on mute, but hello to you. >> Here. >> Okay. >> Menhas >> here. >> And Patty Williams is here as well. >> You sure? >> You sure? >> I'm sure she's here. I am right right
here. Okay. Um, we do not have minutes from our December meeting. We will be reviewing them. We will review two sets of minutes at our next meeting. Uh, Jim Gisman, would you be kind enough to take minutes for this
evening's meeting? >> I am never kind. >> Well, would you at least do it? >> Sure. >> Okay. Thank you. >> We're being recorded meeting. >> Well, I understand that. And I've done that before. I can listen to the recording and I'll be able to take
>> Okay. >> So, >> okay. >> I'll I'll record I'll move the secretary. >> Thank you very much. >> Thanks. >> Thank you very much. >> 2010 things. >> Okay. >> Just had a quarter of one business open.
>> I hope that's good. Good. The >> uh next thing on the agenda is public comment. Al, did you want to make comment at this time? >> Uh, can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Uh, no. Because I haven't heard
anything. So, I the comment really should h come at a point where there's something to comment on. I I saw I saw the agenda. I haven't seen any of the documents. So, I can't it's impossible for me to comment on the uh the
proposal. Haven't seen it. the the the uh perspectus for the project and so forth, marketing material. Patty, I haven't seen anything, so I'll just refrain from commenting because it makes no sense for me to comment on things I haven't seen. >> Okay.
All right. So, uh, we have a guest with us this evening, communications director Jonathan Weber, who is actually has prepared, uh, materials for us to, uh, for our fundraising
purposes for us to go public with it. So, I would like him to take the time to go over those materials for us. >> Uh, do do you have them on your computer? Maybe you can share your screen. Yeah, I was going to say
up here. Okay. Let's look at the press release first. >> So, here's the press release. Um, happy to read through it or if people just want to read it on their own, that's fine, too. Okay. >> Well, financially they have. >> Okay.
>> So, the title is uh Elderly and Disabled Taxation Fund launches fundraising campaign. The city of Greenfield has announced the commencement of fundraising efforts for the Elderly and Disabled Tax Fund, a municipal program designed to help neighbors stay in their
homes. As the cost of living continues to rise, many seniors and disabled residents living on fixed incomes are being squeezed financially. To prevent these vulnerable community members from risking the loss of their homes, the elderly and the state of the tax fund committee is asking residents to step up
and make a difference. The committee has set an initial fundraising goal of $25,000. The program is funded entirely by community donations and every dollar contributed helps cover the tax bills of elderly and disabled residents. Residents can donate in the following
ways. Via municipal bills. Look for the option to add a voluntary donation when paying property tax. Personal property tax for water and sewer bills. Donate by check payable city of Greenfield memo. Elderly and disabled
taxation fund mail to/drop off city of Greenfield or 14 core square greenfield mass 0301. Please note that donations go into a special account in the city's tra treasury and are not taxdeductible. About the fund. The elderly stable tax
fund is an official municipal program established by the Greenfield City Council on June 20th, 2024. To ensure fairness, the fund is managed by a five member committee charged with establishing rules and reviewing applications. The committee includes the town treasurer, the chair of the board
of assessors, and three citizens appointed by the mayor. Assistance eligibility. Eligible households may receive a maximum of $2,000 in assistance. Applications for 2027 relief are available through the accessor's office and online. To
qualify, applicants must be at least 60 years old or have a state recognized disability, be the titled owner of the home, and have lived in Greenfield for at least five consecutive years, meet annual household income limits approximately $46,000 for a single
person, and have total assets excluding the home not exceeding $100,000. Applications are accepted annually from September 1st to December 1st. The committee reviews applications in January with notifications sent in March. Funds are applied to the fourth
quarter tax bill. For more information, please visit the assessor's office at 14 core square or visit the elderly disabled taxation fund page on the city website. >> Is that page up? >> Oh, yes. Could you go tonight?
>> Sure. Will you take comments on this? >> Yeah, we can have people once once we go through all the material, we can have folks from the committee or or >> you can you can stick. >> Yeah. Yeah, we can we can we can all say
our part after all this materials. >> Yeah, just tell me when you want comments. I'll be happy to do that. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. So this page is live. It's been live for a few months now. Um this is the uh content that you all approved, right?
>> Which man sent to me post, >> right? Great. >> Uh just if you could go up, how does one reach this specific page? >> So this is uh under the assessors department. >> Okay. So they would go uh starting from
the homepage they would go departments assessor and it's right here. >> Okay. Very good. >> Thank you. >> So the only thing off the bat I think
it's really well done. It's very clear. Um we had we had voted uh a while back to name this the Alcaniano uh elderly and disabled tax fund uh in his memory. Uh he was a former city
council person. He actually ran for mayor and he devoted his his uh life in Greenfield to helping his neighbors. So we thought it was appropriate that we named the tax fund after him. >> Okay. Um, and I would assume that, you
know, we we're not ready for the launch of this yet, but we should be ready relatively soon to do this. Um, and I just want uh to make sure we have ample time. I want to have a discussion with
his wife, widow, Mary. >> Um, so that she's aware that, you know, this is being launched, etc. >> Do we have something? Well, I think I think we will have an in-person discussion with her. That's a
bit more. I mean, this is a personal this is her. >> She's the widow. >> So, I want to make sure this is done in a tactful way. >> Yes. >> Um, >> just from my understanding, is that something that this committee voted on that? Okay. So, city council didn't vote on that naming. No. Okay.
>> This committee voted on the naming. >> I'm not sure how you how you going to naming committees. didn't do it right. It's the question. >> Well, and it's not exact I mean the the committee I think is pretty clearly
named the elderly disabled taxation fund >> as far as you know is the naming of the fund itself something different can be I don't know. >> Um before I put out communications with that name on it I would >> we'll clarify. Yeah, clarify. >> I'll clarify. >> Reach out to legal and see if
>> make it. Please put it in the notes that we need to clarify that. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Write it down. Otherwise, it's going to go >> for name the board of assessors. The gym does board assessors.
>> No, we couldn't do that. >> This is a this is a >> I don't know if that's legal. >> Yeah, this is a community. It's a city committee, but >> I have no comments. >> We'll find out. We'll find out if it's legal or not. >> If it's legal, absolutely. >> We will find out.
>> Okay. >> All right. Al, did you have comments you wanted to make on this? >> Uh, this is this is in the form of a press release, correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, I think it we and I I think I expressed this in a note to members. Um,
I would really love to see the mayor and the council president quoted in this uh press release. Um, I I want people to understand that this is something that uh is considered a priority to the executive and the legislative branch and
um that it is it is set up under state law so that people understand that the the city council voted to create this project uh with the mayor's support. And I I I just think it's important to have a human voice here and that uh actually
uh people recognize the names and will respond to it because we're it's a fundraising appeal and as my my belief is people give money to people. So that's the only major change. I don't I I you know I I don't have any other
things that I think are you know that significant but I do think we should put in a if possible a quote from the mayor about how important it is to support our neighbors who are struggling to uh to pay their bills and to have a quote from the one chairman of President
Wandelowski as well uh that whatever you can come up with I just I think it's important >> to that I think there is this other piece, uh, you can help neighbors stay in their homes and maybe that's a more
appropriate place to have the quotes. This is just really announcing the fund. And I I I have no problem with I mean it's it's fine if it makes sense to quote people in this, but I think that
the the personal part is the solicitation letter. This is just a news news release letting everybody know what's going on. >> I think Al, I have an idea. And let us know if you think this could be okay.
one of these meetings, obviously not this one, but next month or the month after, we could have Anthony come here, >> right, from reporter sit in and we as a collective and you can give Rene's, you know, perspective basically encouraging
people to do basically essentially this but in a more layman terms and you could have an article written as a form of free advertising and I know do
I have my connection with >> so from my perspective um the mayor gets the final sign off on the press release that you know the mayor's office putting it out um if she wants to put a quote in I I certainly um and I'll work with her
on that and see it I think it's a good idea to have quote from the mayor in here um >> if she be here then but if if she can't >> yeah well I mean the the ultimate goal of the press is to get that story, right? They can always reach out for for
an interview if they want to do that. >> Um, and um, as far as having a quote from someone on city council in here um, or a quote even from from one of you all that I think could be great as well. You know, maybe a counselor who's also on the committee would be good.
>> Well, there's two of us, >> right? Yeah. Um I I would actually suggest I agree with what Al's saying actually and I think it would make sense to add that human voice to both documents.
So when we go out soliciting people, it's very clear >> that we're representing the city, but also here's the mayor saying this is an important program urging people to participate, urging people to donate.
>> And then obviously the press release is announcing to the public this is going on. >> Yes. And therefore it's also important that that human voice is there as well saying this is a fully legitimate >> yes
>> you know project of the city and that uh y'all should throw a few dollars on top of your already high property tax bill but you know open your hearts to the situation. >> So I think if you could put that in there I'm sure Mayor Jenny would be
willing to participate. She highly supports this program, I know. So, I think if you could work that out with her, that would be excellent. >> Sure. >> I have a a couple maybe more substantive comments. >> Yeah. >> Um,
we're not just asking residents, but also businesses. >> Yes. Institutions, >> profits, etc., etc. But I think we need to mention that. And um as I read the initial fundraising goal and every
dollar contributed helps cover the tax bills um partially. I you know the the wording suggests that we'll cover the whole tax bill and even though later on it says maximum
>> I think it's helps too right >> it helps helps to cover right where yeah where were you reading >> yeah no and every dollar contributed helps cover >> yeah helps so helps is the yeah >> okay I I just don't want people thinking
that oh it helps by covering it see what I mean Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I do think the health >> I mean it that's fine. >> What about helps to contribute? >> That's fine. >> No, no cover. Get rid of cover and so
didn't contribute. >> No, every dollar contributed contributes. >> I understand the note and all. Yeah. Okay. But but the the other thing is you talk about title owner and the own and the property could be held in trust but
for the beneficial but for you know it's got to be to the benefit of whoever the owner is >> for the trustee. >> So um so there's variety of people who can donate. Anyone wants to mail a check and
donate basically >> right? So, um, maybe that language should maybe I should use language more like the community or interested individuals. Is there any preference on how to phrase it because we don't want to say, you
know, taxpayers, business owners, community members could need a term that kind of >> I I don't know. I think residents and businesses kind of covers it. Yes. >> If any tax exempt organization, if they don't think of themselves as a business,
they're not a business. >> Tally here instead of residents, you could just have community members that includes >> Yeah. I I think I like community members personally. >> Home Depot is isn't res but the community
said residents and business. >> We can say community members and organizations or Okay. and the uh the trust this year, you know, maybe that gets to be a little too technical, but we've we've had that issue in um hardship
policy and it also I think the legislature changed some of the uh the exemptions to include um beneficial owners. uh of a trust
where where the trust benefited the specific person and it's it's a legal issue and I don't know if >> you have to clarify to me what what you what would need to change in the order >> what are you looking at exactly
>> I'm looking at to qualify it's the second vote be the title owner I mean that that's that's shorthand And that's okay. But technically, a person isn't a title owner if the
house is held in a trust where that person is the beneficiary. So beneficiary of the property, beneficiary of the trust, right? >> Yeah. I mean, it it's kind of
burdensome. So if if we were going to say we would have to say be the title owner or beneficiary of a trust which owns the property. Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. And that I think gets to be a little technical but you know I mean
>> I think I think probably what we have is is good if someone is in that position. Yeah. I guess that they'll reach out and ask if they're really interested in it. >> Yeah. Which is fine. Um, >> but that is sorry that is information
that should be on the web page somewhere where where we have a really detailed Yeah. >> eligibility criteria. >> Great. >> Is this out >> the press release? >> Yes. >> No. >> Okay. >> So, it isn't
a quote from Virginia, a quote that I can work on Senator Gr. she has helped us with this this specific. So if we want more legitimacy that you
know >> uh yeah I don't think we need I mean I thought Jenny and somebody from the council would be enough. >> Oh yeah it's a city thing. >> It's a city >> whatever >> I think >> she's been helpful in the formation of this
>> has she? >> Yes. >> Okay. and and um applications accepted annually from September 1st to December 1st. And do we want to talk about that starts
in 2026 because the fund isn't going to active be active until January and what happens if we don't meet the fundraising goal too? >> So what what if you want to get that in there? It is it is in there because we say application was available September.
So um but at the end of the first sense under assistance eligibility I could say starting in September 20th 26 could you say so so applications will be in 2026
>> right will come out >> in the fall right >> and the actual rolling out of these funds in >> March and March of 20 minutes. >> Yeah, >> we'll review the applications in
January. Awards will be given in March. >> I think it's perfectly applications are accepted annual. I think the language that's in here is just fine. It's very clear. I don't want to respect this to death.
people, you just don't want people to think it's January 1st of 2026 that they can start applying. I mean, I would like I I I wish that we had done that, but we, you know, it's that's not the schedule. Um the the the other comment Patty I'd like to make is that
um my suggestion in writing was that um I I think the go the goal of the project should be to raise uh uh $50,000 in the first year with 25,000 being uh matching funds raised by by contributors uh who
are willing to it's really just a um an incentive but it's a if if a for example if a if a business wants to give $3,000 that they would that that first 25,000 or that we would we would come up with 25,000 in pledges matching pledges
endowment for for people to to match and then ask the general public. In other words, we we have we have some time here unfortunately uh to to actually go out to uh select businesses and and say we're trying to
we want you to be a silver supporter um of the elderly disabled tax fund and donate $3,000 or more. We're trying to raise 25,000 and then we're going to announce the the endowment the the matching funds
of 25,000 contributed by the following 10 people whatever and and that ask the public to contribute. So it that could be a side note later but I really think that that we should try to get enough money going in the first year to help
more than than just uh you know five or six seven people. And I think we can do it. I think the the the interest will be out there particularly if we have some uh celebrity endorsements from people like the the mayor and others who are saying
this is important. You know go to you know you go to business. We have businesses in town banks and so forth. They will contribute if properly approached. We already have Greenfield Cob Bank keeps keeps asking us when you know when is when is this going to get off the ground? We're very
interested kind of thing. So, I I think if we if we lined up, you know, half a dozen businesses or 10 businesses that would want to be uh, you know, silver silver sponsors, I think you can it'll help stimulate contributions from the from the low
donor people who will want to give 10 or 20 bucks. No. ISIS. >> So, let me just speak to this because at our last meeting, we agreed, >> in fact, voted that we would have a goal of 25,000. So, that's already
done. >> Oh, that doesn't mean we stop. >> Let me finish, please. and that uh we have tonight part of the meeting is going to be going over the soft list of who we want to go to
initially for donations in terms of businesses. So yes, it's true. We decided we needed 25,000 to get off the ground, but clearly, you know, you're right. We will go and get more if possible as as long as we, you know,
keep working at it. But we haven't started that process as yet. In fact, we haven't had a discussion about I don't know silver donors or anything like that. We haven't even had that discussion on the committee yet in terms of approach. That's part of what we
should be discussing this evening. So >> that's that's fine. I did I I I did submit the ideas >> in writing so that people would discuss it because I understand I was at the meeting >> discuss what you submit though. Pardon me. >> Sometimes we have our own agenda to deal
with. >> Yes, I understand. I understand. >> But I I don't I don't think these are mutually exclusive. I think you can start with uh you know soliciting businesses and you know the silver stuff
whatever but then you can say we have this fund and you know we're going to do a match. We can do that subsequently. Um but I I think I think the the the biggest difficulty is can I get anybody
to contribute uh you know in a substantial fashion and therefore if we go after businesses as the start and the target is to raise $25,000 from businesses then
you can turn around and say we've raised 25,000 from these businesses and they we're going to do a match. So I you know we've got time to do that. But I think what this also talks about is you know
the fundraising strategy and you know the timing of stuff and the phasing in and it it it is not going to be easy if it's done here right? >> No. No. >> Can I speak?
>> Yes. Okay. So, yes, Al, don't think of this 25 as any, this is a floor. This is not a ceiling by any means. >> Okay? Once we hit that 25, I share that
optimism with you. I think we can reach 25. Why? Because I'm in contact with the banks, etc. yada yada y as are you, right? I think we can reach 25. Now what I am interested in with you once we
reach that 25 is how do we make that bigger and I think some of your ideas can be explored and further you know uh we can work out the kings and all all the all the different details whether it's like
a matching thing or silver uh donator yada yada yada platinum premium donator right you can work those things out but please do not think of this 25,000 as like that's all we're going for. >> I I I think we're drifting off the review and now we talking about
fundraising strategy >> and want to make sure that Jonathan's time is what? >> Thank you. >> Can we move on? >> Yes. >> So, would you like me to read through the the other document? >> Yes, please. >> Just a moment. staying.
>> So this is and my understanding is that you all one some kind of document that you kind of use as a flyer practice a handout >> the solicitation >> for solicitation. So that's what this is. Um, my assumption is that it would be printed from that point.
>> We get this Facebook post from the city of Brafield. >> So there there there will be social media that accompanies all of this. My goal with you all tonight is to agree on the the language that we're using and then I'll make the the social posts
based on that. I think we all need to review them at that point. >> Yes. Um, I'm going to tweet this first the second sentence of this. It's a little bit of a modifier. It's a little weird, but um, right now
it reads uh, you can help our neighbors stay in their homes. That's the title. Uh, many of our neighbors are hurting. They are the people who have built this town. Seniors and disabled residents living on fixed incomes. Now they're being squeezed. Their income remains the same, but the cost of living keeps rising.
In a time when a growing number of elderly people risk losing their homes, we have a chance to step up. You can make a difference. The elderly and disabled tax fund is a municipal program. Is that a typo? Created by the Greenfield City Council
and funded entirely by people like you. Every dollar donated helps elderly and disabled residents cover their tax bill. How to donate? On municipal bills, look for the option to add a voluntary donation when paying your property tax bill, personal property tax, or water
sewer bill. Donate by check, payable, city of Greenfield memo, elderly and disabled taxation fund, mail, drop off, city of Greenfield, 14 core square, Greenfield, Mass 01301. Donations are voluntary and go into a special account in town's treasury. I
will correct that to say city's treasury. Donations are not taxdeductible. Our goal, we have set an initial fundraising goal of $25,000. Each household is eligible to receive a maximum of $2,000 in assistance. Your contribution provides direct tax relief
to the most vulnerable members of our community. More information about the elderly and disabled taxation relief fund. Just that goes about the fund. The elderly and disabled tax fund is an official municipal program designed to provide a lifeline
for lowincome home homeowners. It was established by the Greenfield City Council on June 20th, 2024 and council voted to approve article 37 officially creating this fund under Massachusetts General Law Chapter 60 section 3D. Fund
is managed by a five member committee which includes the town treasurer, the chair of the board of assessors and three citizens appointed by the mayor. They are charged with establishing rules and reviewing all applications to ensure fairness. How to apply if you or a neighbor need
assistance. Applications for 2027 are available through the assessor's office and online. Who qualifies? Must be 60 plus years old and have a state recognized or have a state recognized disability. Must be the titled owner and have lived in Greenfield for at least
five consecutive years. Must meet annual household income limits. usually approximately 46,000 for a single person. Total assets, excluding the home, cannot exceed $100,000. Application time applications are accepted annually from September 1st to
December 1st. The committee reviews applications in January. Notifications are in March. Funds are applied to the fourth quarter tax available. information. Visit the assessor's office at 14 square or go to the URL for the
assessors or the elderly disabled tax relief page on the website and then on the QR code. >> I mean this is the this fund is basically the same as on the news >> very similar. I don't know if it's
exactly the same. question. >> Yeah. >> Is it possible to It's a little less. >> Can we get some color? >> No money for color. >> Well, so that's that's the question for you all. Um is there a budget for color
printing? >> We don't have any budget at all. So at the at the quantity that I imagine you all are going to want to print of this um I can't print that quantity in color. >> What is that? >> I mean typically I try to limit to like
20 color copies city printers that a donation. We don't we have a print shop here? >> Yeah. I mean like worse comes to worse I can spend my money and get 100 copies, but if I see it even though
it's a little >> Yeah, I agree. >> Agree. Yeah. I mean, just >> depression. >> This is this is it isn't attractive. >> Yeah, it isn't attractive. >> Like not much color, you know, just the
city of Greenfield if that was in green, you know, how it usually is. that if that's not your just just basics nothing crazy not like rainbow theme but >> sure yeah it's and ultimately it doesn't
you know if you want a really small amount of color you know we can we maybe can print that city all again like how how many copies are you guys looking for >> I think if you start off with 40 color and if it's doable >> yeah for sure I mean if you just want a pop of color here and there you know
it's different if it's like you want to do like color back written down. >> No, it needs to be It looks It needs to be a bit more professional looking. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's written well. The layout is fine. All that's fine and dandy, but just a little touch of color >> for sure
>> because this is what we're going to be taking to people we want to donate. >> So, yeah, it' be nice to have it look. >> Yeah, the the looks come after we establish the poppy, right? Because I don't want to do a bunch of design to add poppy and everything has to change,
>> right? Um, one other thing we could think about is, um, if we're going to have a quote from the mayor, we could have a like a quote box from the mayor here with photo on it. That would add some color, a little bit of humanity to it. >> Yes. >> Um, so I would say tonight, let's just
make sure the copy is where you want it. Everything on here you want to have on here, and there's nothing you want to add. >> Um, and then I can I can work on the design a bit more. >> Okay. I had no issues at all. >> What was it that you were saying about
the second sentence or something? >> So the second sentence is they are the people who built this town, seniors and disabled residents living on fixed incomes. >> And you can read that as saying that seniors and disabled residents living on fixed incomes to build this town. >> So we just need to
>> I'm just going to address that. >> Yeah, adjust that. I do like to build this town. >> We can keep that just as a as a separate. >> Yeah, senior seniors don't live on fixed incomes. They get cost of living adjustments, but I I think um so I quibble with that,
but it's not a big deal. But they don't I often hear people say that, but they're not on fixed incomes. >> I think that's that's shorthand for people that are being squeezed. >> Exactly. Yeah. There may be another way to say that, but I always I always
remember that fixed incomes is not is not accurate. >> But you often see it. >> Yes. People understand what it means. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> It gets the message. >> It gets the message across. By the way, I By the way, I think we
could um think about asking Copycat to pay for the printing costs and have a little thing at the bottom printing donated by Copycat. >> Oh, I could do it. I >> That's what I said before. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um so the they are the people who
built this town. Many are still living here and are seniors and disabled residents. So >> yeah, it's like that. And this is remember this is going to people who are going we're trying to get to give money
>> businesses to >> Exactly. Exactly. So >> they're professional folks. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> They're not laying hand. Well, these I mean so the uh the press release is to announce its existence to alert people it's happening
and it's alerting both people who will donate and people who will benefit >> yes >> of the of this from the fund and this is going to people who will donate. That's we should just be clear about that when we write this. So I think I think what
this does is it's it's it's an excellent introduction to a sitdown. >> Yes. with, you know, the cooperative bank or whoever else. I know you have a list with you this evening, I'm assuming. Okay. Because we actually still we want to, you know, get this
done and then proceed. >> Yes. >> Um, and so at this point, I think that is there any other issues that people have with the second document of >> question. I don't know if this is asking
for too much because you're already giving this away from call. Um, does the city just always use this paper or is there like a nicer paper? >> This is what we print at city hall. You can certainly get nicer paper from >> totally.
>> Yes. >> If we take the coffee route, >> but a question should we start the solicitation before the the release goes out? >> No. >> No.
No, no, but we should uh dis I think what what we need to do is discuss uh the solicitation process >> so we're all clear on it and
then figure out think about timing on this and then I think the man needs to be part of that kind of involved in that discussion in terms of the timing on this and So, uh,
I'm perfectly willing to sit down with her and talk to her about timing, unless you want to do that, Jonathan. >> Up to you. Either way, >> you know, I think she would I don't want I think that she would want to be
advised by you. Okay. Timing. >> Sure. >> Um, yeah, I would be surprised if she strong against that. So, uh, why don't I do this? Why don't I can set up a time with the mayor and and have that time frame discussion because
I think that's important in terms of when we when we, you know, do the press release and then when we start the actual solicitation process. So I think once the press release goes out the solicitation meetings we should start
booking them right then and uh you know setting up times and Moab has tonight brought us a what I'm calling the soft list of folks who've had there's been some discussion with >> or there has been or there's an
understanding that the the folks have you know some interest in the program already >> already. >> I do have a question. Mhm. >> Do you want to add um contact info on one or both of these for
people who are interested in donating reached out to solicitation meetings or I mean we have my information on the press release but you know >> well the assessor's office is listed so
>> who is that who life business should be reaching out to. I think that makes sense. >> I think it makes sense because it's an official department of the city. >> Well, I'm also thinking maybe it's in Mandy Shark.
That possibility, Mandy, >> you're on mute. >> You're muted. Yeah, but I don't really want to create confusion either with it being already like accessor accessor. Like I feel like
the accessors if they get calls they should be able to answer it because they're going to be like, "Well, it's on your web page. It's on why is it there?" Um, but I don't have problem if people call the treasur's office either.
But that that raises in my mind. Um you know people use email and should we set up an email address for the fund and then um you know that that can be used just for email inquiries and then
you can get back to people. But if they if they phone in, somebody's got to take the message and distribute the message to the people that are doing the solicitations. I'm just thinking about the logistics and and the impact on on the treasurer's
office. Or even the impact on >> the accessor's office. Exactly. >> I kind of like the email idea. I don't know if that's something that's possible um to set up an email and then have all
of us included on it >> getting very bulky. >> So yeah, >> let's let's talk about the purpose of the contact. There's going to be two purposes I think for the contact. One would be an interested donor. >> Okay, so you want a human being
answering a phone, >> right? who who would say, "Oh, of course, what's your what's your time availability?" And give me several times when you could meet and then there's a contact from the to the committee and a
couple of us go to that to that meeting at that time. >> Yes. >> Uh or it's somebody who is looking to be helped by the fund at which point they're given the information of this is when applications will be accepted and so on. So, there's two things going on
there. I would like to avoid email. I would like a human being on the phone to give the information. I mean, that's me. I'm old, but it's an eligible tax fund. It's someone like me. Hey, hey, what's the story? Please don't make me
>> go down the rabbit hole of the computer world. I rather speak to a human being and get it clarified. And if somebody's, we don't want somebody who's looking to get money to be put off by the email not getting responded to for several days
because people get busy. But if you get somebody on the phone, they're there. Am I do people agree with that or >> I 100%? Because I mean we want to make it as easy, convenient, and human. >> Yeah.
>> As possible. Now the other side to that for you is a practicality of it. So if there's going to be a human with a phone number, who is going to be that human being? I would suggest someone from within here or a collection of votes.
>> Well, I still think the Chibian Cassessa's office, I'm sorry to harass you like this, but >> you can harass all all you want, but the the fact of the matter is process would go something like this. First of all, there are a lot of phone calls that come
in about your various and okay u thank you Mr. Gigalign for giving us a call. Can you and then you engage in a discussion? Well, how long's that discussion going to take? How many discussions are we going to have? And if
there are only a few of them and they're they're infrequent, that's okay. But if you know there there are a lot of calls especially from people who want to tap into the fund then what do we do? I mean, I'll take your name. I'll take
your your address and we'll send you a form and we can do that or you can come down and and pick it up. And in fact, I think maybe saying something about um the applications are available um online or at the assessor's
office. >> Yes. So, we we ought to take um but you know, I can't speak for Christina and and the staff staff time. So, I think we have to
>> Well, let's let's let's do it. Let's look at it this way. So, and fundamentally, we're going to be contacting donors. >> Yes. >> Right. >> At some point, there may be people who want to donate that would call. >> Yes. But we'll be doing we're doing the
outreach to the doctors, >> right? >> Then there will be people who will see this and be interested in it. Won't read at any of it, but we'll call you. Yeah. >> And that's going to happen no matter what. >> And it I still think a direct phone call
to the assessor's office makes more sense than anything else. If in fact it becomes a problem, we'll deal with it then. How's that? I'm putting that on the record. So the the reality is is that if in fact for some reason the
assessor's office becomes inundated with phone calls, we will have to figure out another method. >> Speak to those things. Yeah. You want to finish it? >> No, I finished it. >> Okay. So the way I >> Sorry if this is annoying, but the way I
see it is I'm like, okay, I'm two people. one first I'm a business owner who can potentially donate right >> what will the process look like I want to have a phone number first off
committee will approach me right which is us will approach me and what do we say we say x y and z right okay now when I want to set up a further time to meet and actually discuss that should happen
in that initial phone call if they show willingness to to do to donate something or they want to learn more and they say, "Okay, well, yeah, sure, we can meet with the with members of the committee." So, that's one. Two, to your point about
the people who need help. >> I I want Jonathan to get out of here in a timely manner, are what the logistics that we're discussing, is that going to have an impact on >> I don't know. No, let me let me try to
control the agenda a little bit here. I'm sorry I'm letting it run away. So, we need to we need to have a vote. So, we've we've created some amendments to both of these documents tonight, correct? >> Jonathan, you're clear on the
amendments. So with the amendments to these documents, are these the final documents that we are going to be a using as a press release and b using as a fundraising uh instrument? >> So you make a motion. >> I'm making a motion to second.
>> Okay. All in favor? >> All in favor, Mandy. >> Okay. She's online, so I'm going to say Mandy, how do you vote? >> I'm for it. I >> I Wah. Jim, >> I. And the chair says I. All All in favor? Done.
>> Pass. Pass. >> And just to be clear, we can continue to edit these and make adjustments. They're really going out from say they're going out from the mayor's office really. So, um, >> we'll be in touch and as you all figure out the contact stuff, we can add that
into into our sounds good. >> Thank you all for having me. >> Thank you. And I appreciate >> Thank you, Jonathan. Presence as requested in the kitchen. >> Presence as requested in the kitchen. >> To eat food.
>> Thank you again, Jonathan. >> No problem. >> Appreciate your work. Appreciate you coming. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> All righty then. Now, let's proceed. >> We get back to the actions to talk because we can talk about the meta stuff. We can talk about the ideas all
day long. What I'm really interested in, how do we actually get it done? But get what done? >> Process of solicitation and who the process of what does that look like in help >> let's have a stepbystep thing that's
what I would like to get done by tonight. >> Okay. So let me let me create a framework on that. Okay. So what I think I think we're going to do here. So you have a list. We will we will go down that list. Um, I
think that meetings need to happen in twos. >> Yes. >> What we want to do is what we we we make the phone call, we set up a meeting. That's what we're doing. We're not going to do this over the phone. >> Absolutely. >> Over the phone, we're setting up a meeting. Then we go there,
>> we sit down with whoever. >> We present the document and we have a discussion of the background, the history, etc., and so on. And you know, for a business, I would suggest we're looking for, you know, not just one hit.
We're looking for would you be willing, let's say, to donate $10,000 a year for the next five years to this program. That would be, I think, a reasonable thing to ask a bank or a corporation.
Um >> well number aside I think it's a good idea to say you know would you commit to a fiveyear program right >> I know in the library um we had we committed to
money paid out over a fiveyear time time frame >> and uh I I think that that certainly makes sense because you really like to make sure that when you're counting on money coming Exactly. Exactly.
>> One second. Sorry. >> Something to deal with. Okay. >> I will be back when finally. >> Okay. Al, did you want to say something about this? >> Well, I like I I like what you just said. >> Okay. >> I like the idea of multi-year commitments. Um, it gives stability to
the program. >> Okay. Mandy, what are you thinking? You're muted. >> Yeah, I was reaching to unmute it. My dog was helping me. Um, yeah, I liked
everything that you said as well. I agree. Like trying to get a long-term commitment out of businesses and ideally we'd like it good till cancel. Right.
>> Good like in credit cards. Good. >> We still have the logistics to deal with. But any should we while Wahab is doing his thing. Should we uh talk about the fundraising targets and assignments or
do we need for that? >> Okay. Um, >> he needs to be in the room to talk about the idea of the ordinance. >> So, we'll we're going to we're going to take a little break. >> Okay.
>> We'll have him step out. So, >> if anyone needs a drink by now, they should go get it. water for you. >> How's your dog, Mandy? >> I had to put him down, unfortunately. >> I put him down on the 15th of December.
He didn't last very long after we had our meeting. Sorry. >> It's hard. It's hard. >> Yep. The veterinarian though, they they um they did a nice job with his paw print
on the cement and >> his cremation box is beautiful. So, >> he's in our living room where he likes to be. >> Did you use a visiting vet?
>> No. I I wish I had one around where I live, but we don't because he w he did have a lot of anxiety. Um, so he did not like to go to the vets. Um, but no. >> Yeah. Just cuz we put we put a cat down
and had a vet, a visiting vet who made the imprint on the paws. >> Yep. >> And family members, it's very hard. >> Uhhuh. >> Yeah. It's very I had the privilege today of meeting John Botmley's uh blood
hound >> named Lola. I was coming out of a friend's house and he was walking down the street. He was being walked >> basically. I mean John's not a little guy. This girl was like moving him down the street. What a gorgeous animal.
>> Pure blood, big ears and big old face. And she would she saw something on the street she didn't like and gave a great howl. I said, "This is wonderful." Lola, her name is Lola. Yeah, >> their owls are pretty cool. >> Yeah.
Awesome. >> Yeah. Greenfield's a very uh dog town. I think a lot of lot of people have dogs. >> We love it when dogs come into our office. >> Oh, they dog people. >> Yeah. Right.
Exactly. years ago, I worked at a uh a tech company where they had an open dog policy. >> Oh, very cool. >> And and people brought their dogs. >> Yeah. >> The policy went away when the dogs started to fight. >> Oh, yeah. Well,
>> can't have that. >> Bad enough people do it. >> My uh my young my young girl that I have, she's now a year and a half. All of a sudden, I turn last couple weeks ago, I turn around and there's this big cut on her side. I'm like,
>> "Wait, what's going on here?" And it was deep and I she didn't even flinch. I'm like, "Okay, we got to go to the do, you know, veterary hospital. Bring her in the whole thing." And apparently she had run into something because it was like one of these where it was like
>> stuck like a stick or something. >> Yeah. So, obviously sedation, cleaned it out, got the stitches, the whole bit of business. $1,600 later, >> it's >> well, you know, and I'll tell you something. I have pet insurance and I
was so glad because they covered $1,100 of that. >> I was very lucky. >> I thought you had to pay you had to pay 1,600. I'm like, that's with pet insurance. >> No, no, no. I total pay the five five whatever was left. But uh you know we
had to put the coll we had a a donut on her and this is a year and a half old puppy uh border collie lab mix. >> Oh lot of energy >> for two weeks she couldn't walk she couldn't go out and play with her friends. She had to wear the collar etc
and so on and she drove us quite mad but you know now she's okay. But the first day she got out of that collar she was like the a spring book. She leaping around on the trail when I walked her. She was so happy to get out. But the
stuff happens with dogs, you know, they just do do stuff. >> Mhm. >> You know, they just do things. >> We We had a yellow lab mix that uh had a hip problem and uh had to have surgery
in both hips. And we referred to our dog as the bionic dog. >> Precisely. >> Yep. the things we do for our animals. >> Oh, yeah. I know. >> Why don't we do that for some of our humans?
>> Yeah, I know. >> Um I I I I I got I'm getting I mean Okay. You know, since it's also being recorded. Yeah. patience.
>> Yeah, it's a virtue. >> Yeah, it is. I never grew that one >> myself, but I'm learning. >> Yeah, it takes time. That's for sure. Yeah, I I don't see him. I don't know where he
I don't He's gone out of He stay He stayed in the building. >> Stay in the building. Do you notice the side offices? >> No. Well, there are no side office. >> Yeah, there is down further.
Yeah, but all the doors are locked. >> Oh, the meeting room isn't open. >> The meeting room is open, but it's also being used. >> Oh, okay. >> He said five minutes. I'll give him a few more minutes. If not, we'll move on to the next item,
>> which is >> uh uh update is development of an ordinance. >> I thought he he was We should be p I mean he should be part of a discussion but we can't find if he's left we've lost
him I don't I just hope it was an emergency we'll find out the the voices you're hearing in the conference room. >> Okay. >> Stray and
>> there are two bathrooms, but I didn't hear any noises in come out of the bathroom. I I I just don't know. I'm going to sit back. Sorry for this delay, folks. >> Things happen though.
Um, yeah. I I I don't Why don't we have him? >> Here he comes. He's coming in there. >> Door's locked. Door's locked. >> All right. Sorry. Apologies. I have the guys want to write this down.
>> Yeah, why don't you go through it? >> Okay. >> How many names How many places do you have that >> 20? >> Yes. Okay. PV squared. >> Now, these are So, let's be clear. Are these places you think will give? Are
these places? So a discussion has happened. >> A discussion has happened. So these people >> with all 20 places. >> Uh yes and this hasn't happened in a few weeks. This is three years around two and a half years.
>> Oh that period of time we've had discussions for so these people know you. >> Yes. >> But that that's about >> not just me me and the community members. >> Alish Joan these folks who actually got this community
uh this fund actually going brown. >> Okay. >> Because the discussions for this started during my >> right >> I was running >> right >> and this was seen as a potential idea that we could have implemented and we
brought that to the attention of some of these folks. >> Some of them were on here. >> Okay. Um, so yes. >> And and what was what was the context of the discussion? >> Well, these were folks that me and my
campaign folks had met with >> to in in a capacity of, hey, I'm running for city council. What would you how would you like to see a change and grow? >> Right? And amongst that discussion was the idea that hey potentially we'll come up with this fund
>> and is that something that you could potentially be interested in? And these are the folks who didn't outright say no. >> So they they didn't say sure but they >> that's an interesting >> these aren't like oh my god they're ready to give a check on a few of them
>> but not all of them. >> Okay. These are folks who have shown willingness to engage in that process. >> Okay. So, let's do this. So, the hottest ones >> the ones that So, Greenfield Cooperative Bank has been Greenfield, but I believe
Greenfield Cooperative Bank has been mentioned many times by Al and by Mitch and Joan. >> So, my assumption is they're not to tr. >> Yes. So, so you really want but let's let's
find five or 10 who are real great candidates because they said something positive about the support. >> Yeah. >> But
these are the folks that at some point should contact. >> All right. There's more. But you got to start somewhere. >> You got to start somewhere. And I think >> out of this list, you can narrow it down. The first five. >> Yes. >> Or the first three, the first two. >> And And I I think I think it's important
to get the ones who are most likely to donate because they can be sort of well, we've already raised X dollars from A, B, and C. Mhm. >> And that that is I think a very powerful
endorsement for people that were maybe >> Okay. So the first one I would say is Grful Cooperative. >> Nent Granger. >> Lisa. >> Yes. >> Granger. Granger.
>> Yes. G R A N G R. >> Yeah. I'm I'm not going to list the names of these. >> I can email C. That would be >> well we're developing the the first wave >> and I
>> so so then the so that's the place that's the person who was the contact assuming the person's still there hopefully. So who So >> now let me ask you this question Al. Are you uh ready, willing, and able to team
up with one of the committee members to do any of this work or >> do you know do you know if Mitch and Joan are are ready, willing, and able to have this next round of meetings at all? >> Yeah. Uh can you hear me? >> Yeah. >> Yes. The answer is yes. Mitch and Joan
are in New York today. they would they would have been on this, but they they've got some business they're trying to to deal with. Um and uh yeah, I I'm I'm happy to help out. Um my my thought was that um the be the best use for me
is to to go to people I know. Um, I I'm I'm fine doing cold calling, but I uh I think that um there are some people that I could approach that would probably um as I've said many times, people give money to people that that when I get
approached by people that I know and and are are close, I I will give them money um you know, to keep them happy even if I have to. But uh if the cause doesn't interest me but um I I will approach
people. Yes. And Mitch and Joan will as well. >> Approach people with a member of the committee. >> Whatever you want. >> You know these are these are rule these are rules that you're you're setting up. We're we're certainly happy to abide by them. Uh frankly um I've made a
donation. I know other people who will make a donation without >> they'll just do they'll just send in a check. I mean >> it you know, if you if you ha have to have a a face toface meeting with them, you know, that that works for some people. There's other people who just
say, "Hey, where do I send the check?" So, I I don't Yeah, we're happy to play within whatever rules you set up for this and to try to make this work for these people. >> Okay. So the way the way we talked about doing
it, way we voted on doing it would be, you know, uh partner pot like a partner thing going on. If there's a, you know, sit down meeting with people that somebody from the committee would go with a community member kind of thing just because the committee officially
representing the city and so therefore it's it's a legalistic way of looking at it, but I think we're kind of we kind of need to look at it that way. Not that you guys would not do a fantastic job in a discussion or anything like that. I'm sure Al, you can talk me out of all
kinds of money that I had in my wallet. But >> why didn't you tell me that? Now you tell me. Now you tell me. So Patty, we're we're happy. We're happy to do what what you're suggesting. It's not a problem. If a check arrives in the mail from somebody that had a brief
conversation with me and they want to send in a check, I'm not going to tell them, "Hey, wait a minute. You know, you got to have a meeting. They they don't want a meeting. They just want to send in a check because they like they like the idea in the committee. That's going to happen whether we like it or not. But we're we're perfectly
>> It's already happened. There's already been somebody who sent a check because of you my turn. >> Yeah. >> So that's already happened. So, so then then my question is, I mean, if if Al knows people who are going to spring
with a check or very likely to uh why not just let him make the calls, >> I mean, face to face is a different issue. >> Yeah. >> You know, but but it just seems to me that I mean, in part what Al is is
saying is right. I mean, people donate to people, especially the people they know, >> right? >> And so, if he and Mitch and Joan and all that, you know, they they want to call people that they know personally who have expressed an interest in contributing, why not?
>> I'd like to make a motion motion to set up a solicitation subcommittee part of this committee. That's subcommittee. Um, and we can include Al, Mitch, and Joan. And if there's any
folks that you guys know who could do the same work that Al, Mitch, and Joan are doing and would do, uh, add them as we go along. I have no issue with it. But I think working without any capacity at all is just unprofessional because
then let's say Al, right, knows a friend of this. Sure. But then Al doesn't know. And >> so he he I I guess maybe I wasn't being very clear. >> Yeah.
>> If if people and I don't care who we're talking about say this is a great idea. Hey Charlie, hey Barb, I I really think this is a good idea. How about would you be willing to contribute? I mean that that's a much
different deal than going to a business or sitting down with >> Exactly. >> Yes. >> So if if if people want to do person-toperson contacts, that's word of mouth. That's wonderful. That's great. So and and then you know when when
they've run out of prospects or they they think they've gotten to the stage where we do need to have sitdown meetings, then we deal with that. >> That's I agree to use. And I I agree that like for example, if you want to approach a let's say a large
donor, you want to go let's say we want to go to the the co-op bank. Um I think that should be a more formal meeting. I think that the committee should be there. I'm happy. You know, I would want that to happen. If we're talking about, you know, I I want to I want to hit up
Bill, my old friend, for you know, he's going to give me 25 bucks. I don't think we need to go through a big >> uh you know, process for that. But the but the large donors, the what I'm calling the silver supporters, whatever th uh a joint visit would be desirable
to me because I want them to see there's somebody from the town committee, the city committee that's that's cares enough about it to be there and we're asking them for, you know, a couple thousand dollars. Sure, let let's put on a little show for them. Um, but for the
little for all of us just hitting some of our friends up, I don't think I I think you should just be we should be happy to see the checks roll in without having to do too much uh uh committee work because that's that's a lot of time and effort. >> I'm I'm sorry I misunderstood. I thought
you mentioned Joan had approached a number of people who have significant money, not the $25 from your budget. And and I I thought you were talking about that and >> no, the co-op bank, the example that I
would use is the co-op bank. Joan and Mitch have had two conversations with a person at the co-op bank who's who's like really seems to be pretty fired up about this. Um that that will be that Mitch and Joan are happy to do that with a committee. U that will be more than 25
bucks. >> That could be several hundred, several thousand, I don't know. But but people who want to be signature sponsors definitely use a committee and definitely uh you know give them the material and so forth. But if I'm going to go to uh you know to uh Mary down the
street >> and she's going to give me 20 bucks. I you know I think I should just tell her send it send it in. Here's the here's where you send it in. >> So please let the minute show that we're looking at two different levels of donations and two different methods of approach.
>> Yes. I totally agree with what El just said. I think it makes perfect sense because we all have friends, >> right? >> Few few who have extra money, but who will like, you know, we I hope we all have friends that would be
>> rich uncle and be like, "Hey, uncle." >> Yeah, precisely. You got a rich uncle, definitely, you know, hit him up. But the thing is, it's true that we all have friends that we're going to ask, can you can you contribute a little something either on, you know, your property tax bill or can you write a check? That kind
of a thing. We all have friends that do that. >> But the formal sitdown meetings, which is exactly >> what I was talking about before, there needs to be somebody from the committee at those meetings. No problem. Yeah. >> But but one of the issues is when you
start talking to a bank, if you've got some loan officer who's fired up about this, >> that person has got to sell it internally. And that person really isn't where the where the power is, where the money >> that's for them to figure out.
>> We don't have to do the internal workings of every we don't have to do the workings. But if for example you were friendly with the president of GCB or GSB >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You can call him as a person >> personally and and that that works. But
if what we've had are contacts within businesses that really are are very junior people that >> Jim that isn't the case >> and if it isn't >> that isn't the case by the way I have made contact with president GP I do know
him personally as have >> then who can do an ask >> exactly >> don't you or even if if Al knew some you know somebody from PV squared because he had solar panels put on the house and he became internally with the president, he
could solicit that personally. But if on the other hand, he talked to an installer and the installer say, "Hey, it sounds like a great idea." We don't want to have a sit down meeting with the installer. We want we want to make sure that we're
>> I think once they share that list of the contact information, we will understand that those are not paid. >> All right. >> Because I think we're >> That's great. We understand that they don't have control of any of the finances. Obviously, if if they approach
my gas station and talk to my clerk, >> right? >> The clerk don't have money. >> Well, maybe they have personal money and they don't. >> Yeah, but he doesn't represent the organization. >> I think we're very clear that when we are approaching a institution of any sort, we want to talk to the puppet
master, not the puppet. >> Exactly. Okay. And that requires a formal meeting where somebody from the committee needs to be part of that meeting. That's what we're saying. >> These are managing directors. These are people who are, you know,
>> yes. >> And if they need to go higher up, then maybe we meet again. That's all. >> Yeah. I I >> it's okay. >> I'm sorry. I I I misunderstood who the contents. >> Okay. >> The level of >> these are these are the owners of the
businesses. >> Okay. or these are the managing directors >> of the institution. >> Okay. Right. >> But I think I think the the idea is if you were friendly with that owner, you can personally solicit and it really doesn't matter whether >> yes
>> you know it's Al or Joan or Mitch if if that is the qualification. >> Yes sir. >> Okay. And then otherwise yes >> as as you say we have personal meetings >> you with higher level folks.
>> Yeah. >> All right. I think we're clear clear on that. We're clear on that. >> Good. We're all happy. >> Happy happy. >> Oh Mandy became invisible. All right. >> Oh my god. >> I know.
>> Okay. So >> let's let's do the list. Let's pick five. >> Please pick five of the hardest for the fall meeting. So we >> So the first person I made >> Yeah.
>> Do you want her phone or just >> No, just >> who who makes sense? Let's now let's talk about how to grease these wheels. who makes sense to meet with that person,
including either Al or Mitch or Joan, >> you these top five. I mean, if you guys want to me to work, I'll do it short, >> but >> we're just I'm just talking about the first one. Let's deal with >> Lisa. Al, what do you think?
>> What? In terms of uh meeting with Lisa from the Greenfield co-op, >> what what does Lisa do? I I'm not ask >> um I think I think that somebody from the committee uh and Mitch and Jones should do that
>> because they've run into this this person twice. >> Yes. >> And I can or someone wants to be able to do that. >> Does Mandy have her hand up? >> Did you put your hand up, Mandy? No. >> Okay.
>> You're muted. You're muted. Andy, can you unmute? >> Yes, I'm unmuted. >> Okay. Stay. Can you stay unmuted? >> Yes. >> So, we can talk to you. >> Sure. >> Good. Thank you. >> I can't I can't promise my dog won't bark. >> That's okay.
Not out of order. >> So, I am more than willing to meet with Lisa in a more formal capacity. >> Okay. >> With Do I need to put this in the minutes? >> Yes. Do we have that down?
>> Yeah. >> Also, I have no issue with anyone also want to come. >> That's enough to You don't want to bring in a crowd. >> This is GC >> uh a Greenfield Hall. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> And and Greenfield think we ought to put the names of the person in the witness. And what what person Granger for examp >> no don't put the you don't have to do
that just institution >> that's what I >> okay so GSB GCB >> somebody here does somebody here know a good contact at GSB >> yeah the president >> who's the president
>> and I and I have a good contact too but it's >> I'm forgetting his name, but he plays bottle tickets like all the time at my place. And I discussed this with him and he sees me as a kid. He's like, "Yeah, absolutely. I'll do it." And I was like, "Okay,
for the water." >> He was like, "I spend enough money at your place. I can spend some good." >> Oh, bring some tickets and you better call. >> Yeah, I will. >> Okay. All right. >> Okay. So, do you do you do you want me
to to do that with you? >> Uh, whatever you feel comfortable with. I think great. >> Yeah, >> if you can. >> Okay, I'll go I'll go I will uh do that with Wahab. All right. Next.
>> Okay. Um, that's the two banks. >> There's also there's also TD and MT Bank. And there's the and there's the um there's the credit unions, >> right? >> We're looking at WAB's hot list. >> Yeah,
>> he's got involved in creating this. >> Oh, okay. >> Right. >> Uh Gilmore and Frell, Tim Ferrell. >> Oh, dear God. >> Um I wouldn't be the one to approach him, but perhaps Jim, you could.
>> I What's your relationship like with him? >> Me, too. I don't have a relationship with him. My wife worked with him on on library foundation, I think, but that was years ago and it wasn't a very tight
relationship. So that but I I thought the list that you had here were people that you had talked to about >> I mean I don't I can I can do it but I mean do we want me to go to every single one? I can. >> Wow.
You also have a life and council and some >> trying to start a whole business. >> That's why I'm I'm trying to target five. >> I can do it. >> Joeary
Gary will see. >> Yeah, I can talk for a long time. I mean, he probably helps you guys for a long time as well. >> Well, he was he was the chair of the board, so I can I can Yes. And they were and and
Jerio was was comfortable about this wanted to do this. >> Yes, >> I can follow. You talk to Joe so I can reference your conversation and I can give him a call. >> Who would be him from calling the
company? What is the company? >> Conan company. >> I'm trying to see these first five states, you know, to be the ones that have this caucus if I'm being honest. >> Yeah.
>> You know, now this is 110% guarantee, right? >> Okay. >> So, we got five. So, let's just talk about this a minute. So, will Real Estate Jim Jim?
>> Yeah. >> And uh is that that'll require a sit down? So, it'll be you and >> I'm going to start with a phone call. I'll start moving then and we'll see where it goes from there. >> Yeah. If no uh if there's no need for
formal sit down and knows you because he probably knows the football. >> Yeah. I mean, and that was that was the point that I was bringing up, you know. I mean you can have personal solicitation with somebody who who's a senior guy in an organization. >> Yes. >> But if we don't have that contact then
we have a different situation. >> Okay. And let's go back to Gilmore and Ferrell. We don't have anybody there. Now uh I don't I I don't have a great relationship with Tim Ferrell. I don't have a bad relationship. I don't have
any relationship with Tim Ferrell. Jim, could we make a request to reach out to him? >> Um, Jim, let me let me let me talk >> about the absolutely not the Rosies also. Not the worst.
>> Yeah. >> Right. I uh I have a relationship with Frell. >> Um I'm I'm his uh I'm a customer of his for many years. I get my insurance through him. Um, it might be good if somebody else joined me,
but uh I've known him for 20 years, so I'm willing to to do Tim. We often don't agree, but we've we've remained uh in a relationship of respect. Um, but I'm I'm happy to do that one. Uh, if Jim, you if
you want to do it, I'm >> Jim. >> Uh, Okay, I mean I can do it. I can do it. If Al's there he says >> what's the story?
>> Let's let's keep keep going down with the story. Are there other people that we have better relationships? >> Sure. Sure. I mean, I I think Al, you know, you've known him for a long time because he's been your insurance agent, you know, but but I think that the question is then then maybe you give him
a call and you you sound him out and you see whether he's he's interested in participating in this and if he expresses some interest, then we get together and I'll be happy to go. >> I I can guarantee you he will ask me to come over.
He just for political reasons >> because we have a we have a number of mutual friends politically and I know that he would not just blow it off. He'd say sure come on over let's talk. >> So be there. >> Yeah. So I mean under those
circumstances if he says if he says sure you say then Ally say look Jim Gisman from the committee we'll give you a call to set up a time. >> Yeah. Okay. or or you can give me some some uh alternatives. >> I'll get some I'll get some dates from him.
>> Good. Okay. And then I'll I'll do that with you. >> The launch. >> Do we have enough five? >> Well, still hang on. >> I want to see two names with these five first. >> I'm a little above this. Okay. I want to
make sure there's two names. So, I have a Jim Gist name. >> I don't have another name. I need another name on that. I mean, do >> you have the I can handle Joe? >> Yeah. And Paul, >> you can handle Joe alone. Okay.
>> Yes. >> Yeah. He Do you have Bay State Franklin on this list of five? >> Not yet. No. Is it on the list of five? >> Bate Franklin. Ron Bryant. The president. >> Is he the president? >> Yes. >> Now? >> Yes.
of of >> state Franklin medical. >> Okay. But not not the Springfield. >> No, >> he's a Greek. He's Franklin Medical. >> Yeah. Franklin Bay State of Franklin. >> Al, do you want to tackle that one?
>> Um, >> I would be willing to do. >> Yeah. I think Patty, don't you have some folks there that you have >> Well, I used to piss them off quite a bit, but your nurses union representation. >> Yeah. Also, also we did a community
committee up there at one point when they wanted to when they were looking to shut down a few places, a few of the departments there. We did a community committee and met with them monthly. Uh I don't know. >> But maybe you're not the right one. >> Well, I don't know who
I have to if there's a if um Oh, I have to go into my old notebooks. There's a few people who would still be friendly towards me >> and I could tunnel my way in and I think it might be worth me let me do some research on that. Okay, I'm gonna put my
name down for that and let me find out >> who's available because if even if I have to go to Springfield they're loaded. >> Yes. >> Right. It's more I'll drive to Springfield to have the discussion. >> Yes. >> If we can get some kind of because I want a long-term commitment from these
people. >> Absolutely. Because they don't pay taxes. >> Yes. >> Right. >> So they should be paying something. >> Instead manager, you know, 180, they can maybe pay the manager 60. >> You know what I'm saying?
>> Negotiating is only $30. You only need two. >> All right. So I will do the research. Let me just write down research on that and I will report back on that. Now Robbie Con, what's the story?
Well, I know. >> No, you're really talking about this guy, Tim. He's the new >> He's the new guy, and I I would not be the one to approach him. >> It needs to be someone that um
>> someone who who what else? Finish a sentence. He's the he's um he's got some controversial projects downtown that um you know the that the planning board supported them.
>> I think that somebody somebody from the administration like um I'm not saying it needs to be the mayor but you know somebody who's somebody like somebody like uh that he would be thinking I want to be on good
terms with that person. He he has no need to be on good terms with me. Um >> I just don't know who that would be. I I I would say not me for him. >> Okay. >> That wouldn't be a good match.
>> Oh, we're we're we're at time. What What time do we go until >> Oh, I don't know. We're not done yet. >> Let's say we'll let's say we'll stop at uh >> 7:30. Time's at >> I don't like it. 7:15. >> 7:15.
>> If you have to leave it, you won't. >> All right. So, I I'll leave. >> I have to be off by 7:15. >> Okay. So, all right then. We will We were going to end this meeting at 7:15. >> Uh, okay. >> What about Bay State Medical? Bay State Medical Practices. That's the doctors.
Does anybody >> have an in there? Oh, no. No. Okay. >> That's Wait. Sorry. Let's >> I'm trying. Let's >> Yeah, that's on S that's on Sanderson Street and it's a little different than Bayate Franklin. It's a
>> Yeah, but but Bay Yeah, it's Bay Franklin is the big is the big is the big donor. I mean, they have they have my understanding is they have a foundation. >> All right. So, all right, let let me just throw let me just throw out another
one. Sandry. Anybody do business with Sandre? >> Well, you get my guests myself. >> No. No. >> What do you mean you get your We buy it from somebody, don't you? >> Okay. Listen, folks. Hey, will you want
to get out of here at 7:15? Let's focus a little. >> If it's somebody else, >> it's not staying here. >> So, are we are we putting uh uh Robbie Con on hold because he doesn't have a friend in the room?
Well, not but >> Tim Greater Tim Grater is the owner. >> Yes. >> Who is he? >> He's He's a developer out of Holio and he also owns Franklin and Maine. Another another developer who's doing the five he's a he's doing the one the five the
five storefronts that are being eliminated. That's him. That's the controversial one. Um, but he's um and I I I I heard he bought Raid, but I don't know. I can't say that for sure, the Wraid building. But anyway, he's a major he's a major real estate player in
Greenfield. And um I think that Conan Company would be a perfect donor for this program. I just can't approach him. >> Okay, so Tim Grant doesn't know me from Eve,
right? So >> I'm okay with it because I at one point was the process of renting an office or whatever. >> Do you know him? Tim Grater. Yes. >> So why don't you and I do Tim Greater? >> Sure. >> Okay. Now we have two names with that.
Okay. Very good. All right. Now, so that's six. That's a that's the list. And on top of us asking our friends who have money to to to start donating,
uh, I'm going to say that once we have assume, let us assume that Jonathan is going to get this done in the next couple of weeks. Once we have the word that Jonathan has the these uh documents
done and that we send that the press then we determine when the press release goes out. This is obviously the mayor's office who will take advice from us on this. I will have the discussion with the mayor. That's when we start setting up these meetings. Okay. Understood.
Okay. Please put that in the minutes. >> Addie, can I make can I make uh one final suggestion here? uh each each of you each of you has a list. If if each of you would go through that list and and indicate whether that was somebody
you could approach or not, that would be helpful because you're not going to get through the whole list. So limiting to five is probably very restrictive. There's some other names that probably would be higher donors. Uh, I mean, for example, Joe Reggerary I don't think is going to be a major donor, but if you're
looking go through the list and then share them with each other to see who's on who who do you know on each on each list. >> Okay. So, Wahab is we already agreed Wahhab's going to be sending us the list. So, we have people go through it. >> Yeah. Okay. That's great. That's great.
Okay. Second. >> All right. So, >> keeping with the promise to end this meeting, um, let's see. Our next meeting date is going to be, is it January? So, we're talking
February. We're talking the 4th Thursday in February. That is the 26th. >> We will be zooming in. Okay. Mostly >> you will be that's right. You're going to be out of the country. All right. >> No hard payments, but I will try.
>> Okay. Very good. >> Did you say the 26th? >> 26th of February. >> Okay. >> Now, let me ask this question. Can people meet at 6:00 instead of 5:30 or does that is that a problem for people?
>> What do you think, Jim? Not for you, P. >> No, dear. Not for me. Just tell me for you. Is it a problem for you? >> I I can make it work. >> You can make it work. You can make six o'clock work. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Can you make six o'clock work, Mandy?
>> I can make it work as long as it's only an hour. >> Okay. Well, the meeting can go on for second. >> No, we're not going to do that. No, we don't do that. We have a beginning,
meeting, and an end. >> I might not be able to make it today. >> Is this just for next next month? It's not going to be forever. Correct. >> Well, I'm I'm asking I I'm asking is it go can it possibly be an established
time of 6:00 instead of 5:30? And if that's a problem for people, fine. We'll keep it at 5:30. >> I can't I can't commit to that. >> Fine. So, we'll keep it at 5:30. Okay. >> Okay. So, sounds good. Let's say 5 >> 5:30 >> 5:30 to 6:30.
>> Uh 5:30 to 6:30. We'll try our best, >> but we're not really We have a lot to do. >> We have a lot tonight >> and you know fundraising. Listen, we're going to have a lot to do, but we'll try our best. But we'll have a start time of 5:30. Okay, that's let the record show
that's what's going to happen. >> Yeah. >> Can I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion to adjurnn. Can I get a second? All in favor? >> I Mandy I. Jim >> Wahab Patty I. Meeting adjourned.