Welcome everybody to the committee chairs meeting of the Greenfield City Council. It's 6:03 and I'm calling this meeting to order. This meeting is being recorded by committee chairs. If any other persons present are doing the same, you must notify the chairperson at
this time. >> Yes. So, we have uh our esteemed colleague Anthony from the reporter. Uh and as a reminder, the purpose of this meeting is to prepare agendas for subcommittees for council consideration.
No discussion or comments will be entertained unless requested upon by the committee chairs. So the know that and roll call and do we have anybody um remote right now? >> No, you do not. >> Okay. So we can actually just
>> wait. >> Yep. No. >> Talk to people in the room. Thank you. Councelor Wandowski >> present. >> Councelor Garrett >> I am here. >> Councelor Healey is not here today. It's
absent. Councelor Golo >> here. >> Councelor Bonley >> here. You have a quum. >> Hey everybody. >> Hello. >> Hi. >> Uh and councelor Keely's uh dog passed away. So
>> he loves his talents, you know. >> Yeah. >> I know. I've met at least one. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I'm sure he's taken. >> Well, he also has to console many children. >> Yeah.
>> Never easy. So, the president's note part is the shortest I've ever seen it. I don't know what happened. They all went to other places. So >> yeah, there hasn't been a lot submitted this month. So >> cuz uh
anyways, >> yeah. >> Okay. So, uh continue discussion of inviting department heads to present to the council on a monthly basis. Um I'm looking back to my notes to see what we
had decided we wanted to. Um, >> so for this month you had asked that the assessor be invited. >> Yes. >> But the former assessor's last day was Friday. Okay. There's a brand new assessor today.
Um, who >> I think that's not fair. >> Probably. Yeah. Wouldn't have. >> Yeah. Can we bump that October? >> We can. Thank you. Um, we removed it from this September 17th agenda because
>> we made an assumption. >> Yeah. >> Um, and I don't know. >> You made the right call. Um, so >> invite assessor for October. Correct. Um, again, I don't
know being a month in the seat >> what they'll have to offer. >> Okay. Um I think it's helpful though because as you start looking at um tax rates and things for >> right >> okay means
>> yes maybe I should reach out and find out how to approach that >> wonder alternatively maybe one of the elected folks board might come if he's not feeling up to >> or again y um >> or his designate you could say I'm
saying he say he right >> yeah The new assessor is not a he. >> Okay. >> Um, thank you. Although I'm unsure of their preference, um, they're not a he. So, >> okay, cool. >> Um, >> I'll reach out
>> to that make to the assessor or >> them or the mayor or finance to get an idea of Yes, exactly. Just to find out uh when we might be able to have a tax rate discussion and
>> Well, that that has to happen. right? >> You know, >> usually um October, November. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. November at the latest. October if there's a perfect world, but we don't often live in a perfect world, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And this just finding out when they'll
have information ready. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. I'm looking at my notes and I know we we also had on our like list of others that we might be interested in libraries. We just had GA set.
So, just to keep in mind on September 17th, Senator Cummifford >> Oh. >> is going to be taking up all Q&A. So, if anybody has any cues >> Oh, sure. >> send them to us. Um, it's just going to
from my understanding going to be a >> brief like update type of thing. Um, and when we get to that on the September agenda, I will have another question for you. >> Okay, that sounds fine. Um, does anybody feel compelled? I have also had a back
and forth with um, Hannah from the GBA because there just been a lot of questions kind of in the public about MC storefronts and I thought it would be great to get a conversation about what the business community is talking about
and I don't know our availability. Um, if if you send us, and I know you have, that's why I'm asking, of a perspective list of who you would like invited when. >> Okay.
>> Um, we could possibly find out, but maybe for September, we just stick with the senator. >> Is that >> acceptable? That is acceptable. >> Okay. I'd like to just keep it simple. Okay.
So, moving on to the economic development committee with um Derek not being here, but it looks like the things that were on the joint public hearing are amending the zoning ordinance for the animal kennel hospital, which we've
talked about a little bit here. Um and then the amending of the central commercial district um which is coming back for a second look after some redefining >> is that is that proposed are both those
going to go on city council for vote this month by assumption. >> That's what I was thinking. I just wasn't sure. It's possible, although I'm not entirely sure of the timeline >> when. So, the planning board has 21 days to forward a recommendation.
>> I don't know where that 21st day lands, if it's before or after the council, before after the 5-day rule, you know, that sort of thing. >> Um, if it is achievable, I it would be great
to have both of them come to council. Let me see if >> in the past they >> Oh, so they are on the draft agenda. Okay. >> So Tammy must have already looked. >> They'll make a they usually will make a recommendation in the joint here just to
recently at least. >> Yeah. Okay. >> All right. So now we go to A and O and World. >> Yeah. So, we'll have appointments. So, there's I'll say that there's
several things here that are not ready to be on our agenda and several things that are >> there so we can find out. >> Yeah, that's a message. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um and then several things that I'm also curious. I don't know if we're ready.
They're new to me. Um so, appointments. Yep. We'll do that. Um, no, we are not ready for um the adoption of MGL. >> So, we remove it completely. >> Yes, please. >> Thank you. >> Um, and then I wanted to ask you these next two pieces.
>> I plan a phone tag with Eric, but I can I'm sure get a hold of them. >> Okay. >> Before our meeting, which is say, you know, on September time, it's next week. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I can talk before. >> Okay. So, you'll be ready to update us. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, yeah. know it's he knows that I want
to talk to him about it like it's been probably four voicemails back and forth. >> Great. Yeah, that's Thank you for doing that. Um the two tabled items is that what we're talking >> Yeah. the planning. So the chapter the the take from the table uh 26008 and
2610. Um, so those will be ready for discussion or will there be something for us to do you think like on the agenda for us to look at for motions or like what >> I think we should put it on the agenda for motions and if my conversation Eric
indicates that we should hold off and hold off because I suspect it's going to be fairly simple. We mostly just needed his feedback on kind of the rationale behind them. >> Okay. >> You know, so >> Okay, that's fair. And will they will the clerk's office be ready to put it on the agenda? Like do
>> Oh, it will be too because it needs a public hearing, right? >> Well, yeah, I believe I believe so. So, >> we might have to wait till October. >> Yeah. So, >> um 2608 and 2610. Yeah. Were these
when you ran the meeting and you held the public hearings? >> Yeah. And we tabled it because we didn't have enough information. Were the public hearings held? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, as long as there are no substantive changes,
>> then they can be forwarded to council, but it depends on what >> is for being, >> right? So, and again, zoning is usually pretty strict and particular in their language, so there might not be much
wiggle room. Um, so if the public hearing was held, then it can be voted on in council. >> Okay. All right. >> Cuz the public hearing should be like the final step before it goes to council.
>> Okay. Agreed. Okay. Got it. Well, when you said that that last piece of the hearing should be the final step before it goes to council. So then like um do you are you advocating for us having a discussion about things and then at
the next meeting having a hearing or is it okay if we're bringing forward a bunch of things to have the hearing at the first time we discuss it? Do you do I need to say that again? Does that make sense? >> I'm sorry. Who are you talking to? >> You.
>> Okay. Yes. You need to say it again. So the timing of a public hearing, is it important that the public hearing happens when the committee feels ready to bring it forward to the full council or should we have the public hearing at the beginning of a discussion so that we
can elicit public comment about the thing and then discuss it or are either there's pros and cons of both and we can deem the public hearing whenever we want as long as we have one. Got it. Um,
in order, this may or may not answer your question. In order not to have to pay for a second public hearing, >> yeah, >> the committee should be like, "Okay, yeah, we can do that." >> Okay. before you elicit public comment.
In my opinion, because the public comment sometimes as counselors, we know that that's a great idea. Can't be done here. You know, the language can't be
this is not the place for that language, right? It's not under our jurisdiction. So, if the committee gets relatively set on what they think they'd like to see passed, >> Yeah. >> then you schedule a public hearing, >> hold the public hearing and forward the
recommendation on to the council after the public hearing is held. >> Okay. So, I'm going to say again what I think you're saying. So you're saying that if there's a public hearing on a thing, the public hearing for the public hearing to count, it
needs to be on the thing basically that we're forwarding to the full council. If we change it significantly in discussion, we would need another >> you would have to hold on other and given that I always do public comment, people do have an opportunity to speak
up early in the process. >> Okay, got it. Okay, so we're ready. We did a public hearing on those. We're ready to put those on under motions. If more discussion is needed, we'll just take we'll just discuss and then people Okay, great. So then
and I apologize to everyone. There may be thing this week has been particularly uh crazy with back to school and getting back in to work after vacations and everything. So I am behind on email in a way not been in three years. So I there
may be things in my inbox that I have not seen. I am not I have don't believe that I've seen the next two pieces the zero emission first vehicle policy and cannabis social equity. Have those been sent to me? >> Yes. Yes, >> they have been
>> July in July. >> So >> yeah, the cannabis social social equity thing is a legal requirement. I think I have a typo in the uh July >> the vehicle policy one but I >> okay so those were sent because I was
not that email in July it's really the last >> I went to the whole council >> okay I believe I believe you all right it's good okay so I have those so I so >> I don't know the c and the cannabis I haven't >> it's gone out to everybody
>> okay great so that means that really me asking about this is that Given that these are new policies, I just want to make sure that all of the counselors have time to read them, not just like getting the packet on. So, we have them all. Okay, perfect. So, then let's put those under discussion. Um, the
vacancies and appointed offices, we'll put that under discussion. Um, the Crossroads Cultural District Committee will put those under discussion. The hybrids meeting under discussion. Um, the farming under discussion. and
wetlands protection under discussion. Human rights commission under discussion. Um under discussion and then these next these next pieces the rules of procedure. Um can you so that
can you update me on that? I know that councelor Brown was going to talk to the two of you. Are you all on the same page? Has that >> Yes, we had a conversation. It has to do with being the consent had a consent agenda. So, I haven't seen the most recent because Sero is going to look at
kind of hybridizing between um two other municipalities uh to put something that's more similar to to Greenfields. >> So, Sarah has submitted. >> Okay. >> Um Tammy was also taking a look at the
rules of procedure. >> Okay. for things that maybe the rules of procedure says, but we don't do it technically that way. >> So, I'm sure an updated version will be sent out, but it's not quite like I
proposed amendments and sorry, um I proposed amendments and it was sent out to ANO and put in the Google sheet thing. Um Tammy sent them out and then Sarah sent one and then we
were looking at it again. So >> we're we're trying to make it inclusive of all of the suggestions. >> Okay. >> Um so that probably should be discussion.
>> Okay. I would like that to actually be personally held off until next. >> Okay. Removed. >> Yes. because I want to look through the rules of procedure and make if there's >> and you've got a lot. >> Yeah, I that that I want to hold off on
and I also want to hold off on um the next So these pieces I'm assuming these came through from the recck department. Correct. The next pieces is that why they're on >> the alcohol. >> Yeah, the alcohol where that one came from public land smoking recreation
commission and parks and recreation. Those aren't ready to go forward. But is that is that where those came from or >> curfew public lands and smoking? I believe you're correct that it came from recreation. Do you want them removed or
>> I want them temporarily we they are on my list. I know that they need to come forward soon, but these are not ready um from between at least between curfew and park and parks and recreation. But the alcoholic beverages that piece was
that also something from Christine Mo >> off the top of my head and not >> okay >> is that um so we're remove you want to have it come back in October >> probably but I I'm I'm not sure that we
will be ready then >> are we just saying remove temporarily >> you remove them temporarily I am there I'm learn >> until we hear from you >> yes please Um, and then animals. I know that that's something that you and Council Gordon were working on. Did you ask for that to
come forward? >> I did not. No, I'm definitely >> So, that is I believe, please correct me if I'm wrong, the animal ordinance based on Ali's law >> for kennels, which Ali's law, >> right,
>> we are finding out. They keep tweaking. Oh, good. Good. >> But they don't tell us. >> Okay. So yeah, is that about right? >> Say that is very accurate. >> Okay. >> So remove temporarily >> temporarily as well. >> It's not ready from the state, right?
>> Well, they're they're supposedly going to be changing it again more. >> So just so I'm clear, it's always law, which implies it's passed. Is it really just a bill that's >> No, it's passed. >> It's passed, but they're going to amend it in the second. >> And they knew when they regulate when they do regulations,
>> right? When they when they passed it last year, they knew they were going to amend it, but they wanted to get it on the books. >> I understand. Okay. >> Which is terribly confusing sometimes for us. >> Sure. Yeah. >> Okay. And then yes, we'll keep the review city code part three. Thank you
for doing that. We're >> discussion. >> Yeah, it's discussion. It's a list of chapters. So, we can go through and look at whatever. >> Can I go back and ask a question? Absolutely. the alcoholic beverage chapter 209. >> I'm not remembering
much about what was the amendment or where it came from. Do you cue >> I never any information that one? >> Do you want to put it under discussion or remove temporarily? >> Remove temporarily. And also if you
could because I'm not sure where that's coming from. I know where the other pieces are coming from. Could Could you send me something on like look into >> do our best? >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate that. Yep. That's
that's our agenda. So there will be potentially quite a bit these things. Okay. Well, every so just to verify everything here will need a public hearing. Correct. All the ordinance, >> all of the discussion that are listed under discussion items now, yes, on this
agenda have not had a public hearing. >> Right. >> The four well, sorry, bullets above it have had the public hearing. They just need to be finalized at ANO.
>> Yes. Okay. So, can you please schedule a public hearing? I I don't anticipate a deep discussion being needed on any of the pieces that are now on our agenda under discussion. So >> So we can't schedule a public hearing
for this month. It has to >> I know that. Can you schedule it for October? All discussion items for October public hearing
September discussion. Okay. So just to be clear what we are putting for discussion in September and public hearing in October and if it's okay I'll just zero emissions cannabis as social equity
vacancies in appointed office cultural crossroads meeting article 3 hybrid meeting disclosure notifications uh sorry far uh farming disclosure notifications wetland lands protection, human rights
commission, ways and means removed temporarily and part three general legislation. >> So the part three general legislation if you that that is just a discussion if you could actually keep that on our
agenda for October that would be great but not that that doesn't need it. Yeah. So discussion only um and discussion in October. No public hearing.
>> We just have a big dance party really >> in October. >> Just what we need to do. >> Okay. So discussion for October. >> Yes. >> Discussion for October and September for the general part three general legislation.
I'm sorry. I was thinking about a dance party. >> I know you >> and I don't want to because I just want to go home. >> And yes, >> code part three, general legislation discussion in September and October. No October public hearing.
>> Correct. And in fact, if you could just for the time being anticipate keeping that as a discussion item for the next few months until I ask you to take it off, that would be great. >> Could we write that like this chapters attached? Keep on agenda
>> until you move. Okay. All right. Thank you. I never turned this on. So, same thing I have to go up now. Okay.
All right. Does that cover all? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, community relations. So, uh, we're going to get rid of the first uh two discussion
items inviting other committees, commissions, and boards. Um, we're still developing the list of ones that we want. Are we removing them entirely? Um, how about we temporate just for What's the difference
between like setting it aside for a while? So, if you're going to set it aside for a while, >> Yeah. >> maybe we remove it in its entirety and you resubmit it when you're ready. >> Okay, great. >> So, the first two bullets. >> Yep. remove entirely.
>> Yep. Move to be re in submitted in future. Um also remove the arts and culture activities remove will be resubmitted.
Um and then I don't see on it but but we did talk about that this next meeting will be a joint meeting with um school committee engagement. >> So I think the last bullet collaboration
of potential joint community engagement. I think that was a summary of that because we really didn't know what to say. >> Okay. So um joint meeting with school committee community
relations whatever they are >> okay >> to discuss. >> I do have some concerns on that um uh few points. The most important one is that there's an election coming up and it just it feels like it could be
political because that committee is made up of three people and two of them are running for office. So that concerns me just as a thought. >> It might be better to postpone it until after November election just to avoid any kind of because we have we ever done
this before the school committee. Um, not that I remember, but possibly at some point in the future there there may have been so when
community relations was first formed, not first formed, formed back in the early part of the charter, right? It used to be community relations and education, right? because at one point
um one of the counselors felt like it was important to have a monthly meeting, not a council meeting, that someone from the schools came because at the time
there were issues and they wanted to have communication. Um, I don't remember exactly what the issue was. Um, so it wasn't a joint meeting, but there
was a representative that came to most of the meetings to update a subcommittee. >> That's and then eventually it worked out the issues, right? >> And they removed it. remove the
education piece. >> I got to say about that. >> I understand your concern. Um I'm like going through the counselors who will be there and who are up for reelection as well. So, um I know one of the items
that they're interested interested in talking about is just anou of of like how do we work together >> between the council and that school >> at least at least between like engagement committee uh public. I mean, I guess that was my the other
part of this question is especially in the charter, the school committee has really separate different powers which >> we try to keep separate from the city council >> and usually when we do either a joint committee or an ad hoc committee, it's
to solve a specific issue >> or so I'm just like it's just a little confusing to me and I worry about when it's so generic like is issue communication. I'm just confused when it's communication. >> Um because again I'm worry again the
difference between substantive and performative >> right >> and we're in election. So I just worry about mixing the council getting the council right now. And I mean it could be serious but it just that those are my concerns. I mean we can go that way. It just makes me a
little nervous. >> Yeah. I mean, there have been discussions between myself and the committee chair for the last couple of months because I think we all came out of all of these bruising fights and um
it's just not in the best interest of this city for us to continue to operate this way of >> Yeah, I'd just say there's various opinions on it. So, it feels a little bit like >> perhaps the current leadership didn't like one committee, Ways and Means, and
they're shopping for another one. I mean, I'm just saying there's a lot of political ramifications, and I I personally don't like it in an election cycle. That's all. I don't know that it'll be genuine discussion right in the middle of an election. >> Is there a is there a specific right
like the focus is how we work together. Are there specific like >> sub agenda are there like sub sub agenda topics like how will that meeting be facilitated and what's the thinking about that
>> because I think that that would point to the substance of it. >> So when the joint meeting is posted so you you have three agenda items here for the September 5th
meeting, right? The portion of the meeting that will be joint, it won't be all of the meeting because you're only going to be discussing you're not you're not discussing with them the possible amendments to the ordinance on precinct meetings, right?
>> And you're not discussing with them rewriting of what the community relations will be. So whatever portion will be a joint meeting, much like EDC's joint meeting with the planning board is only about these specific items. There
will have to be those specific items that you're going to discuss posted. And again, like we say all the time that we just love to say that nobody loves to hear. Not on the agenda, you don't discuss it. >> And and >> we're ironing those out because
vacations and people >> Yeah. I mean, so I mean, in order for that to be a fruitful conversation, like I think our conversations are are actually largely fruitful because we're talking about specific motions, right? Specific things. I mean, they may be
annoying and long and drawn out, but we're actually talking about a thing as opposed to how are we together, right? And and I and I hear your concern and I think that it's far less likely to be performative and actually far more likely to be effective if there's like proposals or questions that we're
looking for answers to. And if that's the case then I mean I think Greenfield is just odd that our that our election cycles every four years. I mean you look at state senators, state rep, oh state, you know, >> two years, >> right? Most places are two years. So >> our election cycle is every two years.
>> Well, what I mean is our term our terms. Okay, our terms are four years, so it doesn't feel like we're always running for re-election, but in most places with two-year terms, people I mean elections are a constant question like and so politics is for better or worse slightly
performative. So like the idea that we wouldn't do something during an election cycle is just because we have strange terms here. Like I would hope that it would be substantive and if the conversation isn't substantive then like that that shows poorly on the people who are part of that conversation.
>> But your point about having a specific item to discuss I think is really well taken like that that seems to be the key to avoiding what you're concerned about you know is having something that >> you know. >> Yeah. I mean I just think it's a bad idea. I I think it again it's just that
the characters that are all involved here were all involved in the budget debate. So, I don't want to get into the It's just I feel like it's opening up an unnecessary can of worms that if it was not that I don't want to have the discussion, but it just
it really feels political doing it right now. >> Who are the people? >> Um, Elizabeth Den, Mel Goodwin, and Stacy Ston. So, two of them of the three members of that committee are currently running an election campaign.
But we've been talking about this since like June >> and I don't think that like Laura I don't think that the intent here is political >> like >> we'll let the public decide. I'm just expressing my descent. That's all. I mean it sounds like it's going to go forward. I just want to know and state
that for the public to the council wants to get involved in that. That's the way council leadership wants to go. But but I hear your points about making sure it's very specific and I will push them for more specific because they
reached out to us and said we >> I mean >> I don't like it because it's a nebulous thing. This community relations everybody knows that's not my favorite to >> because when we have the board of assessors a joint meeting we're talking about specific issues that have specific expertise related to something we're
going to vote on >> and that generally is the pattern that follows for EDC. all of those things or if there was an ordinance it would be a very specific ordinance that we're voting on. So that's why I just feel like it's a a can of worms that could be open but um I just really would prefer
it if it were it seems like it'd be better for the council if it were after an election. >> So thisou that you were describing or you know understanding the is that something that is is there a draft of that? >> I I just got like literally a text
earlier today. Um, so they're working on a roughou. >> Is there any harm in holding the sock until October? So like that kind of stuff is >> for what? >> It's not really an it's not a contract
but like a a statement of understanding basically about what the meetings if they're going to be joint meetings would be about. That's what you're saying. >> Yeah. I mean I think it's how how we work together and >> like a civil code or a >> I don't know. I'm confused. >> Yeah. And why I mean again I mean a
joint committee because like counselors and everyone has a phone they have email they can talk to each other. So again, I'm asking where having a specific joint committee meeting feels pretty >> well, we're trying to also avoid
issues of open meeting and like because it seemed to make sense for community relations because we're talking about how the council is working with school committee. they proposed because we also have had discussions about how the ways
and means works with and this was what was proposed by the folks from school committee. >> I I I think that we might there might be a ven diagram between what John and I
are thinking right now. I'm honestly not that concerned about the election piece and I hear I hear your concern about that. I'm more concerned about the effectiveness piece. We don't know who we're going to be in relationship with after November. And I don't know that we
can I mean like this is a there's seven people running for three seats. I don't know that we can form agreements if we don't know who we're going to be in relationship with. Like I don't know. But that then >> they don't understand the harm in having a conversation because >> community relations it's a lot of what
we do is gathering like what is public opinion on various things. And I think us coming from our two perspectives on >> do you feel like there's a do you feel like there's a reason effectively to
have the conversation now as opposed to starting in December? Like is there a reason a substantive reason to have it now? Because I trust you like I trust that you are not politically motivated in this. I trust you. So, if there's is there substantive reason to do it now?
>> I think there available, we're available. Um, we could push it off and then we're going to get into budget season and then it starts to get heated. So, I think the idea is how do we >> like we don't I don't know. I thought your p point was really good. Like
wouldn't it be better even if it's this exact same people? Well, it won't be the exact, but it could be, but I mean that might be more effective even in January to say we're going to start new >> because if it's all different people, it's very contentious. I mean,
>> you may not feel it, but it's extremely contentious. >> Oh, I I mean, >> so I mean, I'm just saying I >> No, I know. I it is it is it could definitely a lot of oneonone >> could be perceived as the council entering into we've had so
much already perceived council overreach overstretch whatever you want to call it uh from the ways and means that's some of what I've heard and so I don't know I I'm not I just don't know how productive that would be at this moment >> this also seems like it's tied into the
purpose of community relations too like this is you know we want community relations to be an I mean, I think you chairing it is part of part of that. >> Yeah. >> And so, you know, I firmly I know that's your goal doing this and I think it would if we were talking the school
committee more in general regardless of who's on it, that's going to be better than not doing it. But I also wonder, you know, the the item right before that about rewriting the definition of CRA, you know, what it oversees. Maybe we decide
the CR community relations committee is going to be interacting with committees like this and establishing rules and we get that duck out of the row, you know, in October, you know, or September and then look at this, >> you know, the meeting in November will be after the election, right? And so if
we put this Oh, that's true, too. Yeah. Yes. >> You know, so like if we look at that piece, maybe that's a way to kind of >> do it in different steps. will still do. And although I hear what you're saying about like them being available now and like you know the you the urgency of now
is obviously a thing too like if folks are ready to talk like >> that's not always the case you know and that I don't know it's um but getting that piece about what is CRA's job you know buttoned up might be helpful too and then on the other you
know so that's maybe that's the step to take now and then in October if we have it you know buttoned up we can look at doing this we're in November, you know, and say I don't know because I I hear your concerns and I don't want to like throw fuel on the fire of a contentious election cycle. I don't think I think
Katherine's right that it will be moderated in a way that it's going to be fine, but I also I can't predict how people react, you know, like it's not something I can guarantee is going to happen. Um
cuz we removed the definition of CRA or C community relations from this month, right? That's what we did a minute ago. >> Um is that because you don't feel like that's >> we've looked at it and we've discussed it and we felt like it it captures what the committee
>> So we're already there. That's not that's a moot point. website. So, >> would there be an agenda item in a public city council meeting where you share that? Because I haven't heard that like I'm sounds like there's a lot of
more clarity in the committee than there has been in the past and that would be great for the whole council to hear like and I I trust your thought.
I mean, it's not any different than something. I'm not sure how to do. >> Um, so two things. Did you say you wanted to remove the rewriting of the definition?
>> Um, because I didn't hear that. I thought what was left on the agenda was possible amendment to the ordinance for precinct meeting, right? Possible rewriting of definition of what CRC overseas and collaboration and potential joint
community engagement. But if I'm wrong, that's fine. Please clarify. >> Yeah, I just wanted to postpone that. Um postpone the rewriting. Yep. >> Remove to be resubmitted in the future. Yeah.
>> Okay. Um, so if a discussion was added to a council agenda, um, it might be good to have something in
writing to give background information because we have to list on the agenda what is going to be discussed. So, that's one thing. And if you're going to put it in writing, what has been thought of and teased out
and suggested and what you were looking to propose? Would it need to be an agenda item? Because you've got it all written down right here. >> But I think what I'm hearing from these counselors is to
exit completely. So acting >> the the joint joint meeting. >> Yeah. >> Unless you feel like there's a real reason to do it before in November. Like I imagine if it's really important, which it is really important, we could
do it in November. But if like or could this would not violate open meeting law if you and the chair communicated together to sort of came up with to come up with um what you both think these
subcommittees could do and that might take a little bit of time. >> Yeah. possibly to put you out until after the election, which then you will know theoretically
who will be on the committee next year. Um, so it sort of in my brain gets what councelor Golib is talking about like a plan in place to know what you're going to be doing to propose to
someone and takes into account councelor Bottomley's objection to the discussion during election time. It's just a thought. I don't have a Yeah, I guess I'm
>> I see us as starting a conversation and I don't see this as being as involved or or because that's what we do on community relations. You know, it's not always things that end up with an immediate outcome like on other
committees. Mhm. So it's not like this body that is school committee right now would be making any decision on behalf of the next body there. So it's an exploration. >> Yeah. >> I trust I trust you to facilitate it well. So if you wanted to do it, >> I would just not want like and when I
heard like the mo there cannot be a memorandum of understanding between the current body and whatever future the current school committee body and the future body like if it's exploration and conversation I don't see why not have exploration. I mean, and the fact that
we've got, you know, three people on that and two of them, you know, maybe >> I mean, two of them are going for the same seats, right? And so that at least creates a, you know, we're worried about politics, right? You got two people that are not running things, you know, >> that's only school committee because CR
has people that are also on the ballot for, >> right? So both Melody and Elizabeth will have a voice if, you know, we do this month. And that makes me feel less concerned about the political aspect of it, you know, because I I'm confident they both can articulate. >> Yeah. I'm just concerned how much is
structural and how much is personal. >> What do you mean by that, John? >> Well, how much of the conflict that's just happened is personal. >> Oh, I see. >> Or how much is structural? Because I love the idea of coming up with structural ideas to make things better, to help us communicate better.
>> It's just really hard to do that when things get extremely heated. >> Oh, no doubt. and especially we've got count this will be we already know they're talking about specific counselors and specific school committee members. So it's just I with through the heat if you think you there's a way to
make that productive when people are running for elections. Uh I I was really concerned about >> yeah trying to sidestep some of that. I'm happy to hold off. You know, we it took two months to come up with a date
that worked what everybody said. >> I think I would say this is information you ultimately decide as a chair whether you do it. >> I trust that you can handle if it gets contentious like I do, you know, and I'm not worried about you letting people
raise, you know. >> Maybe we will. >> It's just for fun. Yeah, >> it'll be >> Neptune. That's what everybody's about. >> I I appreciate >> as personal and unproductive as
possible. >> You got agenda. >> No, grievances if those can get on. So, do we want to leave it as you will let us know? >> Yes, I will give you some more
parameters. Um, I mean, frankly, we've been a little bit preoccupied with a few other items, so I have not spent any time on this. >> That's entirely fair. >> Thank you. So, >> I'm just saying Laura will email
Yes. Okay. So that goes to ways and means. >> Uh, and I'm thinking on this one, invite Paul Newell. >> Yeah. And maybe ask him or relevant DPW
personnel because I don't know who if he would want to be there if there's any >> Paul New and or designate. Yeah. Because I don't know if they I we probably fine, but I don't know if he wants someone else or an engineer there to >> Mhm.
>> Okay. >> going to be expensive. >> Dear God, >> I know. >> Well, the building is I don't even remember when it went in. Um ' 90s,
late 90s. doesn't look a day over 1995, >> right? >> Um, but anyways, and I'm going to keep asking how this dovetales with the recycling grant that was supposed to fix some of the transfer station.
>> That's a good question. >> And we've also heard there's rats. >> Oh, it's cats. I heard that there's been German shepherd sizes the pictures that mayor was showing us. >> She had a really disgusted
colony of feral cats and the mayor did not >> they're there. >> I mean >> I thought it was a good idea. >> You know they're the places that like have the border collies like doing the geese. So I didn't think that was crazy. >> There have been rats there forever
>> and but if there were cats >> then you'd have cats and rats. So, you want city of Lynfield cats? >> I kind of do. Yes. >> Those would have to be some big cats. >> Beyond the >> I'm sorry. >> We digress. >> So, that's the only thing on Ways and Means this.
>> You got lucky. I know. >> And nothing from the city clerk. >> No, nothing's going Okay. Um, we have our special meeting um on Wednesday tomorrow that's fully remote. >> Yes.
Did you happen to see I sent you guys some like draft in not instructions but this is how the virtual meeting is going to play out. >> Yes, I did see >> okay I've not looked at it yet but I make dinner and
>> yeah it I will check it's modified on when we went virtual in 2020. >> Okay. Um, like how do you enter your name for to speak? Because you can't do raise hand because you can't tell who was first. >> Oh, right.
>> So, it's just some some light. >> This is how it's going down folks. >> Okay. >> Perfect. >> This protocols, I don't think they were in place by the time that I joined. >> When did you join? >> That was June 2022.
>> Yeah. We we kind of all just knew what we were doing by then. Yeah. >> Yeah. And it was only subcommittee >> online. Yes. >> Um so draft. >> Okay. >> Um my question was so Senate Senator
Cmerford is on there. >> Yes. >> Before motions, orders, and resolutions. Do you want to have the council wave the rules or procedure so that Senator Kmerford goes as soon as they get there?
>> Yes. Okay. Wave rules of procedure which could be on time and could be late. Well, again, if you wave the rules Yeah. I know >> in the beginning, then whenever they come in, >> you finish up the conversation you're having and then you go
>> and you're up. >> No, that's exactly right. Any amendments to what goes where or does this all look right? Is there anything from ANO that is should be on here that is not?
>> Thank you for asking. I need a moment. Um, I thought you would be able to move anything. That's >> Well, the discussion. >> Yeah. The um Sorry, Ch. Um the
the two things that are under motions 008 and 010, >> the last two, >> those may be ready. >> Okay. Those are the only ones that may be ready besides the appointments which I believe are already.
>> So will you let us know after your meeting on the 10th because there's not a lot of turnaround time. >> Yeah. Is it okay if we just write it on the paper that has the the scorekeeping during the meeting? >> That's fine as long as we know that's
where it's going to be. Oh, can you help me remember that Rachel typically is our secretary? >> So, we need to write down we need to write down on that piece of paper whether those pieces go forward.
>> Write down whether >> hopefully I don't use this right now and next. >> Yeah. And if I forget or if we remember the next morning, then >> let's one of those uh emails that show
up when you come in the shop. >> You can do that. >> Yeah. Right. Let's do the um make the late send or whatever they call. >> Yeah, exactly. Thank you. >> Be very vague. >> Just clear enough to know what you're talking about. >> Yeah.
>> Is council Gordon not gonna be at the meeting vote up here? >> No. No. I think she is. I just She's not here right now. So, she doesn't >> I'll just send it to you and me so we don't open the meeting. >> Yep. >> I think that's
that's >> sounds good. So, our agenda from AMO will likely be I don't know that it'll be very contentious, but what's that? >> Scroll. >> Yeah, exactly. And our favorite >> and again that this would be more fun if
it scrolls. >> Is that a proposal? >> You bring it out and then it's like >> just a little joy to hear. >> Okay. So I am looking at >> entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. >> Okay.
>> Second. >> Everybody in favor? >> I rate it is 657 and I'm calling to close the chairs. >> We may not Thank you all for being here. [Music]