call this meeting of the um sustainable Greenfield implementation committee meeting to order at uh 406 and on February 27th and we'll do a round of introductions I'll start I'm
George tumus I'm the planning board representative to this committee and I'm the uh committee Vice chair and I facilitate the meetings at the beest of the chair John Garrett city council representative I'm here for a good time out a long this will be my last meting you
guys I'm Hannah re I'm chair and member at large and fr member of the public Nancy Hazard uh member of the public Jonah uh Jonah Kean member at Large
uh Amy kaen director of community and economic development um uh planning department appointee thank you everyone so uh next agenda item is the approval of the January minutes so move second
discussion awesome they look you know I one it said that I abstained which I I didn't think I missed a meeting there um I don't remember staining so I don't know if I just my my I have brain frog fog going on here
but about the minutes you mean yeah on the minutes it said I that I abstained because I hadn't been at the previous meeting but I thought I had been so anyway that's not that's very insignificant okay I had one um uh
template related uh thing I just wanted to suggest that uh when we list those present committee members we list um their affiliations that are not related to being here in parentheses so for example hany it just says greeni Business Association which would imply
you representative from that Association but it should say public member and then FR sees I mean it's I think it's good to have that there because it's you know qualification you have um and then there was one uh little uh typo on bottom of
page two um uh second Bullet From The Bottom it's safe Roots two schools and I mentioned that because it's a federal program so title got it and the other thing is um
the top of the next page second bullet Marlo off update committee at our next meeting on F frta related projects does that sound right that's surprised me I had just talking about the FTA but
I don't remember what he said specifically that it might have been the main you mention it that would make sense yeah that's what I think it you jumped out at me now that you said that maybe FTA bus stops are involved with the Main Street redesigners yeah yeah yeah something like that I just didn't
know I can I can edit it to Main Street or I can just edit it to say um Marlo offer to up Marlo meting Marlo said something sort of a generic update and we'll find out tonight that's good
thank you stand us up find up tonight because I think he's coming okay I hope he's coming so with those um edits all in favor of uh the minutes passing hi hi
hi thank you D and uh Carol introduction I'm introducing myself we did okay I'm Carol and uh the energy and sustainability director okay uh and uh RAM is going to
be joining us a bit later um so we could do the introduction then I guess right um he's he's on one of the agenda okay thank you so uh next item is the sgic focus for 2025 we have 10 minutes
allotted for that and contining conversation including invitees to Future meetings is that me May um there's nobody listed as a lead so I assume so I'll um I you know
this question of sort of our our focus and relevance for me continues to be very much about being informed and then also connecting outward to opportunities and projects and ideas um
so I would love to reboot our guest speaker series as part of meetings um if not every meeting you know maybe just when someone arises that we'd love to hear from um and so we could do some
ideation I think around either topics and or organizations and or specific people that we could try and invite to Future meetings and um I just wanted to capture some names and then I can kind of get rolling on invitations to
people and we did a bit of that in the last mean it's in the minutes yeah there's a whole list of people that we were thinking about um is there any prioritization or anything that people
specifically let people would like to hear from first or not okay well we talked about um Hing fog I know that was one yes and F frta Michael pero from frta
was another one which y feels like a priority particular if we do sort of downtown Economic Development stuff that might be an interesting one you're you're better connected to that everybody else but
yeah so I it would be hard for me to say if that's a prioritization I mean I think he's great I think uh you know public transportation is essential but as as the master plan but I don't know how much of a priority it is um to happen as compared to other and is there anything as far as
focal points for this year I know we've talked a lot about economic development is there anything else that we want to discuss we want to be aware of as a focal point for this year just so that it's kind of heat up
early and if I yeah so this isn't this is tangentially related to the focus of this committee per se but um last month at EDC when you were there and Amy was there it was spectacular to have you in that room and so you know in the future
you know again I'm not going to be on this committee and so I don't want to volunteer anyone for anything that I'm not going to be part of but having members of sgic going to people and places where decisions are made would be really helpful like honestly if there was a standing invitation on medc to have you two there I would be thrilled
about it there is now which isect yeah you know and so like that's like having this committee making things get implemented right as the goal so if we have people from here out other places then that's more likely that the people that actually have the decision-making
power are going to do so yeah like I'm thrilled to hear this standing that's awesome a standing invitation for so interesting that when I was there I didn't even think about sgic which is terrible but I feel like I have to confess it because my head had my like Economic Development hat on and I wish I
had though yeah because um Cy master I love that idea this is a good idea because it's not in the this is a good idea it's in the master plan this is a terrible idea because it spits in the face of the master plan those kind of things maybe not that traumatic
of language no but I yeah I had my own I'm a little dramatic I think it can be helpful to talk to like as I'm talking about whatever that my department is working on to get in the habit of like throwing in a sentence that is like as we talk about in the
master plan right exactly makes it more real for people because otherwise I may not think about it you know yes that's a great Point John thank you I'm sorry did you say EDC meeting yeah so these guys were at EDC and it was awesome because they're experts and so um right there
was a need for expertise so it was very helpful to have you two there yeah good it was very interesting it was I like the discussion about um downtown beautification it was kind of like it was it rambled to get there but I lik that he got there beautifications is not rling in
its way it is it is it's super important though it's placemaking it's it's not something that it's often focused on so I was glad to hear that yeah great great kind of related to that I can't find it
I just this is how my days go it's like 100 miles an hour but I downloaded two specific resources really great ones related to man not even going to get it right am
ice but but it's basically like making our downtown so that they're resilient and and kind of playing into this whole beautification um I mean all these things can work together but like you were saying you weren't thinking of sgic and even though
it might be part of it we think of things kind of linear linear you know what the word is in a line and instead of kind of encompassing everything so one of them was a list and I think it was it was either from Smart growth America might have been the CNU which is
uh Congress for new urbanism that's the problem of being on too many lift serves but I get really good information and it's overwhelming but uh but it's great you know to be like okay this is this is it to me it's spoke of like when we were talking about updating Economic
Development chapter like it kind of fits in so that's that's stuff that gets me jazzed it solves many many many problems and that would be something I would be excited about if you found the resources
would you share yeah I could find them so following or question you can't ask me too much because I didn't even look at them but but okay so you found two things that were exciting and I guess my question is this this goes back to I don't know months and months ago
the idea of bringing some speaker to Greenfield uh that could be helpful in just getting different perspectives on stuff and um I don't know might you it's
a lot of work we've already tried it F and I tried it he was supposed you know it's just it was a lot of work to really not gain any traction so it's it typically costs money it typically costs a fair amount of money that's not the game we are usually playing so maybe we
can get a sponsor or something like that to bring in I just saw Michael man speak on Friday he's amazing climate expert Nobel prize winning ipcc member and fun fact he was the character
that uh the sci Leo DiCaprio and don't look up oh wow based on him so depressing oh yeah it is but um anyway he was brought in by the mass Teachers Association right he's from mam though so I think that help I was busy
so I couldn't go but did they F they I don't think they did but you can find other speeches online that I've been online looking for it yeah that's yeah anyway I know that um sorry I know that um northampton's um strong towns
Northampton is trying to bring Jack Speck who wrote the bikable city or walkable cities thank you great um and there is a cost involved um I suggested that they want to bring him because they're having a lot of backlash on
their main street oh yeah redesign um but they don't have the funding to do it so they were trying to make it a more regional thing so I suggested they reach out to like burog and and maybe you mass and whatever um so if they pull that together that could be something could
advertising sure no say Jack Jack spe J they Chuck maroon come out too yeah I think it was on my birthday and I had no idea until but I was busy but was that
the guy he was on a he towns yeah yeah I saw oh yeah he was in Orange I had no idea and I was like I would have like on the circuit he spoke at the um that conference the um planners conference
too in Wester oh that's coming 15 yeah citizen plan citizen planner I saw that at Holy One different one but anyway yeah strong towns is the business kind of minded organization right talking about how sprawl is a bad economic investment
is that them he does incremental planning um multi forms of transportation yeah you know but he's got great ideas you know it's it's good to not to interrupt but just so we're near the end of time for
this item I do want to as I reflect on it more I think the idea of having Michael PR here would be good I've been so you know tied into this I mean before I moved out here in 2002 I had collected all the F frta bus schedules so I figure
out how it from from Green to Northampton be a bus and it's not easy right oh that's easy yeah um but some well that's the thing though I'm so deeply into it some things are easy some things are virtually impossible but uh I think for everybody to have a firsthand
experience of it and there's been some major changes with uh the access program that yeah uh was was started by this and has been copied across the state by transit authorities so he he would be good I think to have as a guess just connect everybody else here with that
essential yeah element because it's one of those things that there's no it's not a city Department you know I mean it's it's a it's kind of like a public utility but it's independent from you know City so well they just got a very large State Grant and so I know they're
looking for a lot of input I got input um that's our special timely in in some ways too great okay we're out of time or say one more thing maybe I shouldn't do this but the
other thing that jumped out of as I was looking to this at this is the furog people is there something that we could learn from them about resources and programs and things that we should know about that we don't know about I used to
go to their planning meeting and I I've had a conflict I haven't done it for a year or two so and I don't know um I don't know I know just scotwood I do not know Ted Harvey yeah sounds like he's the
economic development planner guy great keep that in the background as a yeah okay the next item is the master plan potential update of Economic Development
chapter update from Amy before we get to that that's for 15 minutes does someone want to reach out to Marlo just to find out oh yeah cuz he used do intins do you have his number cuz I can text him okay okay Amy you are up this a
conversation your conversation with UMass and potential funding sources and timeline yeah I don't know that I'll need 15 minutes but maybe five um the I have no funding as of yet um I am trying to solve for that still if anybody has
some spare funding let me know um plenty a couple of things that I think I uh can update from last time so our department um was hoping to do an economic development strategic plan which this update of this master chapter would serve as for us we have also been um
separately talking to the Deerfield Street neighborhood Precinct seven folks about doing a Darfield Street corridor plan as well um and what the team at UMass said was that they could combine both of them that they could do an update of the economic development chapter and then have sort of a special
FOC Focus side thing over here on the Deerfield Street Corridor so we could get two for less money than one um they gave me a very informal quote just to get me in the ballpark of both combined 20 to $30,000 but it fluctuates depending on
what iteration of they offer a range of types of programs um so I am I am trying to solell for that funding Carol sorry I missed you said two what are the two things updating the
economic development chapter of the master plan and then a Deerfield Street corridor plan oh that's not a bad price tag um I didn't think it was bad for the two of them and I love the notion of working with um youas and I have another thing but Nancy yeah I have a question
about the Deerfield Street quarter because didn't we didn't the city do one maybe three years ago very did one not very not that recently it was like 20 years was it it was a while ago did with the
school right but nothing was yeah with the grand they did it with the same folks that you Mass yeah um and there was no as far as I know nothing came out of it I mean no actions came out of it no actions came out of it that I'm aware of either I to be totally honest with you didn't even know it existed until I
went searching in my email under Deerfield Street and up it's so well I guess my question is since it was done not so long ago is is there a need to redo that or is it more there is from my perspective for two a
couple different reasons um that plan was um very focused on sort of the river and Deerfield Street and it didn't go very much further beyond that we now have a very engaged Precinct seven and I think a growing business Community
that's not only on Deerfield street but down river and Mill plus a far more active Fairgrounds and so my hope is that the I'm calling it a corridor plan cuz that's what came out of my mouth but I I'm thinking of it as a I guess a neighborhood plan that would focus not
only on that Corridor but also on the river and the community that's bounded by the fairgrounds M Street and Deerfield so I think the scope is different and there is um simultaneously the concut river conservancy and I think the city maybe you know more about this
and I do are applying for a grant to look at the um River and to look at improvements um I I don't know much Fe improvements along that Corridor H do you mean to remove the dam or something else in connection with removing the dam yes and
so there's a thought that this could duvail also into some of that work so this feels like it might be a good time to do the two of them John I thought I remember hearing about some sort of South Greenfield so-called South Greenfield plan this is it this is it this is so people were referring to
it as South deer field different iterations of people talked about it for different from different aspects some folks wanted really to focus on housing some people were focused on sort of a complete streets look at that stretch of Deerfield Street um some folks on Mill
and River wanted to look at Mill and River Street so I'm I'm trying to do a um a neighborhood plan that would involve Community engagement and talk about all of those things fa which is very different than what the prior
Deerfield Street corridor plan dead I remember seeing a study a while ago there was a climate resilience study that like talked about how Deerfield street is in danger of being like destroy catastrophic flood yes the hazard mitigation plan probably I was on
that what it was and then it I remember specifically cuz my street which is Hope is like up the hill and it's like this place is safe that place is not and they just talk about the flood planes in that old Deerfield sorry people on Deerfield Street well that's why you want to live at the top of the hill not the bottom
and someday going to make it I'm always at the bottom to the top is your flood oh yeah oh I'm sorry to hear that but anyway I'm sorry that's okay I was just gonna say I can also split them up and if it turns out that I can only
find enough funding to cover updating this chapter or to cover whatever I would split them up but I love the notion of trying to do both of them at the same time with all the same people the other thing I wanted to to mention just to put pin in your calendars um
they know that we do not have funding and they know that this may not happen however um the department at UMass Partners the model that they would like to use is faculty and students from UMass and then a couple of experts who come in from outside they're doing a
similar planning process in Southern New Hampshire right now and it happens that these folks it's um uh Aaron Simmons senior director of design assistance and Joel Mills senior director of communities by Design from the AIA Architects Foundation are working with
the New Hampshire Community um and would also love to work with us should we find funding and they're going to be in town on April 3rd um because they're meeting with UMass and on their way to New Hampshire so they have carved out the afternoon and said if um folks are
interested would want to meet with them um that they will be around and they for free to come and talk for free to come and talk yeah so we would get a chance to meet them they would love to see Greenfield meet us talk a little bit more about what we're looking for um because
they'll be in the area anyway and these again are the Consultants to the ums folks we said yes they're I guess a the I guess this UMass Department Partners frequently with this so they'd like to be people if we get this done they would
partner as well they would also partner yes so our contract would be with UMass but UMass and one of their models pulls in these outside experts and these are the team that they frequently pull in Nancy let me just ask call n um what time are we talking about um it's a
little up in the air it is uh between 12: and 5: they have a zoom that ends at 11:15 I believe over in ammer um so I said when we get a little bit closer just to save me from having to change the time with all of you four times if
their schedule shifts a little but the afternoon so after lunch after lunch and their Hope was to come meet with folks and then um walk around or tour around a bit if they specific we want y see um I'm curious about what role Wayne
fiden would play in this he would be the lead because he's the director of the landscape and AR architecture design center for the lead the lead me the organizer kind of not the expert he would be the coordinator for
he would coordinate the students pull in whatever faculty he needed he would coordinate these folks so is he at um now or he at yeah so I reached out to three different people at UMass all in landscape and architecture because that was the department that had done the prior Deerfield Street study you've done
everything but get the fun it I just need the fun and the other thing um so I was concerned about procurement also um they have indicated they know that we are a city and have no budget um but also UMass which I didn't realize is
because it is a state entity it is exempt from procurement whoa but I think Design Services anyway are there's definitely I was very excited I learned that tidbit don't come yeah okay okay I think one way or another I don't I'm not worried
about that part of it and we could always carve it up into two we could um so I I but I just yeah I would love to have that Greenfield UMass partnership um and these are folks that have already done Deerfield Street Corridor study and so can I just say as someone who
continually gets my hopes that still somehow get excited over things get dashed when I see the Architects and stuff I would love to work with good Architects I think that's invaluable if we're going to be designing things oh
please yeah agree we can vet when they come out I want to hear if you have any ideas or leads for money I have one and I don't want to outty publicly because I don't
know if they'll be interested um my way back up that it would throw off our timeline is um there are planning grants through the ones Massachusetts on stop um that that cycle is open now for letters of interest um but applications
aren't due until June and by the time everything gets under contract and whatever we'd be looking at frankly next year or late this year um if I you know I will apply for that if I haven't found funding and we will do something else in the interim does Athena help with things
like that yes okay Athena Athena I was just wondering if any um funding source would not start until next year anyway you have some that don't I have one that would not
require that amount of logistics it's just a question of whether they would be interested this is stupid question but you don't think it's likely the mayor would appropriate that money out of you know free cash or something I do not think so I don't think so either no M
yeah I know you just gave me an idea good so either you're welcome or I'm sorry depending no no no I'm gonna check out a few things and and I did find one of the things I saved can I are
we out of time well let me first do we hear from yes so um Marlo responded to my text and said sorry I need a few minutes said no worries we'll see you when we see you use the link on the City calendar and he did not say anything
else so I assume that he is popping on S okay go girl not to take things in a different tangent but if if if we were to focus more through the resiliency climate lens I believe I could access some
funding that way and so one of the sources I have is climate and land use planning a lot of it is you know again it's just a different lens of we've already done can I ask a stup good question yeah isn't the sustainable Greenfield master plan looking at all of this through resilience and climate lens
resilience wasn't really on the radar that much as much 10 years ago sustainable which as far as I you want to send me a link I can see what kind of language I can spin anything is weable and resiliency
is should be our top priority right absolutely certainly has been in the um certain parts of this um with the infrastructure still y That's reference a lot it is it is but it has definitely
risen as it's a yeah I mean it used to be called low impact development now it's nature-based Solutions it's become a whole different field and I mean it's it's it's phenomenal things that are happening but obviously as you all know we need as
much as we can get well pending Marlo's arrival we have that's what we're waiting on is there any more on this topic that's I will just update everybody um about funding if I get a no from my potential Source I'll let you know that so you're not
left hanging and I will look at anything excellent good there's Marlin ah timing perfect timing knows how to make an entrance hey Marlo you are muted in case trying to
speak also invisible getting closer hi there there you are now we can see you Sor I'm just gonna make a quick response to uh Bram hi Bram um uh the public comment is
starts in about uh half hour or so uh Marlo welcome if you could just do your introduction and then you're up for uh got 20 minutes for your updates okay uh Marlo Warner DPW director um sorry I'm late I needed some
food for very good reasons uh shot home I apologize for being late um so I'm going to give an update a quick update on the the the Swiffer Grant Solid Waste uh the the our recycling grant that we received $2.05 million for going
to single stream automated recycling collection and a quick update on our uh sludge press that we're installing at the wastewater treatment plant as we call it the dewatering project so uh
Swiffer Grant we've um we've received the uh the the new truck the trailer and the three recycle trucks are happily in Canada getting their new um recycling bodies put on them so things are a little ahead of schedule um um we plan
on possibly instituting the program first second week of July don't hold me to it it all depends on everything coming together uh We've completely Rewritten the solid waste ordinance that is supposed to go to uh city council or
committee chairs first uh then it'll be assigned to a and0 hopefully on to city council um so that it it can uh come in line with the new program um the the trash pieces of it uh was Rewritten also
since we were there they're pretty outdated from 2011 um so everything seems to be uh breezing along if you will um we've spent approximately 1.4 million out of the
2.05 um I'm happy to report that um we actually uh got reimbursement this morning for that um which is uh very good news with with all the the cancelled and and uh Federal programs put on
hold um so the dewatering project unless we you have any questions on the the Swiffer update um I'll move on to the um the dewatering project any questions I'm Ono so I'll see more of
this legislation later so I will restrain myself for now uh okay so the dewatering project commenced oh approximately two and a half three months ago down at the treatment plant our wastewater treatment plant on Deerfield Street it um it
needed quite a bit of demo for some old coils and and and some other things that we used to process the the sludge if you will with um that were actually went obsolete in 1984 so the all the demo work is done there was an outside
attached building that's been demoed where we're going to have a enclosed trailer area for um the cake if you will or the Pressed sludge that will go into a um rolloff um it's going to be um
completely uh sealed for um and and some uh different different things in there so that there isn't um let's say odors in the air throughout the whole area down there so uh the Project's moving on we we we bumped into a couple of things when we started digging around the plant
we bumped into some stuff that um you always bump into on these old old buildings and old projects but we've uh We've we've gotten through that those pieces and as of now we're we're on target um the Project's moving along the
only holdup is um we were we were hoping that we'd be done with this project Midsummer potentially early fall um and uh I think Carol can relate to this from the other building projects where it's an unknown on the switch gear and the in
the electrical pieces that that uh has has slowed some projects down so uh we're hoping by early to midall will be up and running on that project comments questions please um one of the things that just came to mind when you're
talking about the wastewater treatment plant we were talking about resiliency and I remember it flooded was it last year wastewater treatment plant got flooded by the deer fuel River a bunch of years ago was it a bunch of years ago that was a long time
ago well in any case um is there anything being done in this kind of working around plants to help mitigate some of that or would it require I don't know more concrete to help prevent you know the hundred-year flood that comes every 25 years from going into the you
know causing issues basically right so the the severe flood was in 200 11 with Irene okay we did not have flood doors as we know well most of us uh if you've ever seen the building sits up pretty high on a a a good good
set of stairs um but Irene flooded to the point where it went through the front doors and and a lot of records were were lost and the plant went down for a couple of days um and the the crews did a great job of getting it up and running um the most recent flood I
believe was last year uh it basically flood of the parking lot there was no impact on the building um but since then we've taken some protective measures to protect that plant we we purchase actual flood doors when we're expecting floods we install them um that prevents it at
least on the bottom floor um to prevent it from flooding because all the equipment is downstairs and in what we would call the basement so um it prevents us from losing all our pumps electrical and all that good stuff so awesome yeah
here other questions or comments Mar is there is there plenty of time left yes I actually have a question for you that has but not related to this I had written down on my notes a few months ago but um this is about the DPW
staff I was wondering if um if they are required to take some training um prevents since um the Department of Transportation provides training on working with
rivers and I don't know if I was just curious in Greenfield if if your staff ever took those trainings those classes uh I'm not sure could could you describe a little better what you mean by dealing with the rivers so it's whenever there is a work
to be done in or next to a river do has a whole training program I think it's three different classes um to teach how to do it you know environmentally uh
properly yeah so I that's um we haven't taken the actual do trainings potentially in the engineering department they have um but we we go through the local uh conservation with everything and mass de um and then like concerning the uh
the swim area we have a uh yearly yearly maintenance uh of of what we can and what we can't do um but like when we have a problem an erosion problem that has to go through the process of Permitting an noi uh and all that good
stuff we're well versed in that just through the code and and through our our local boards that answer your question yeah okay anybody else comments of questions none thank you m anything else
you wanted to share about while you have the floor uh no I again I apologize for being late just it's been uh uh a go of it the last month let's just say um a nice way to
say it's always something right always something it's a great it's a great slogan I'm so yeah you know administratively this this time of year we're at our busiest um you would think it's winter or whatnot but this is when we get bids out this is when we we put
the projects together um obviously budget season Capital season so um we're pretty much in high gear right now administratively Hannah was joking earlier that the slogan for Greenfield should be it's always something and I
think the DPW could do better so good wouldn't you wear that sweatshirt can I uh can I update that George it's that was a couple of [Laughter] things
you yeah I have a question um recently uh burog updated their pollinator action plan um and I guess they've had grants over how many years I forget but they've done a number of different communities
right but they have a a sort of an umbrella plan that encompasses all the different town plans and there's a new it was just published I'm going to say last month or
maybe even this month and uh there's a um some guidance now in that that has to do with uh roadside Mowing and pollinators and stuff and so um I'd love to talk with you or the
right person and um during Greenfield's little alator group The thing about trying to meet with you guys to talk about that new that new guidance and stuff would that be we should just reach out to you is that what we should do or yeah yeah that'd be great we could we
could set something up okay great we'll send you an email about that great well I'll call myself um with regard to the two uh topics you were uh updating about
um what would be a a way to um uh characterize the impact of those uh with in in relation to the sustainable master plan just thinking if we're trying to describe to someone who hasn't been involved in this stuff what uh how how
this m why this matters and how it will help so the uh the wastewater treatment land dewatering project at aka the sludge press um and and I think I've mentioned this before but for for new members um I'm going to be over 850,000
this year to haul sludge out of our treatment plan to low uh 9,000 gallons per Trailer Load um and we do up to five possibly six loads a week so uh the impact on the environment um as far as
diesel fuel travel and all that that that's a piece of it um and not only that that kind of cost is is unsustainable to our our sewer Enterprise fund so what this press does is is the the loads that are going to
low low now are about 85 to 90% water so we're paying to get rid of water y it has to be a certain it can't be over a certain thickness thickness if you will because the equipment out at LOL cannot do what it's supposed to do uh without
burning up um their equipment out there so we have to water it down in other words we have a lot of solids in our sludge so um this here this this press will press the water out of it um and eliminate it down to potentially one
maybe two rolloffs at the most per week for disposal um and it's a funny name for it we call it cake in the industry but it's pressed pressed down and all the water removes so um you can probably see the the cost Savings of not running
five to six loads per week out the L uh when we're running one or two rolloffs of the cake now the the bigger Vision um is eventually uh posos uh has come into the picture for for for for
many communities um I'm happy to report that our drinking water and our Wastewater at this point is uh nondetect or well below a level um that's being put out by EPA and D so um the second piece of this project down the road
would be put a a what we call a dryer in and take that cake um and actually pelletize it into fertilizer um so that's the other piece you can't do that if you got a posos problem so um I think some of you on the committee have heard
this before but that that's the end game down the road um so an example is in 2016 we were paying 146,000 for sludge disposal um and like I said we're going to be up around 850,000 this year for
Trucking hauling and Disposal and what what is p Could you um um uh if I was to pronounce it I would confuse everybody but there's there's technically like eight compounds they're what they call Forever chemicals you
find you find them in the old popcorn bags microwave popcorn bags Teflon on pans so on and so forth and it and it um it gets into the the way stream or years ago they used a firefighting foam Westfield you may have seen in the in
the papers uh practicing with this firefighting foam was low to a peos and it's in their drinking water so oh right over their drinking water yeah and it's extremely extremely expensive to filter or to treat so and you can't
get yeah it it excuse me that's why they call it the forever chemical y DuPont's a big name of manufacturer of that so and the that was used by Farmers they would get the sludge for
free from like Boston is is completely polluted and now and now it's polluted the fields y an yeah yeah Vermont ran into that I've read a couple articles on that where they were spreading the the cake if you will or they were pelletizing drying and spreading it on
all the fields and it's it's now discovered that the they had quite a bit of posos in their sludge so um knock on wood that that that kind of put the hold on the Anor robic digestor back in the day where this project
started um because of all the testing in the posos we wouldn't want other sludge coming into our digest or from other communities especially um we'd be stuck with the posos and treating it so um it morphed into this sludge
Press thank you very much for putting that all in context it's really helpful problem you're welcome that's question I have several questions but last couple so we're we're you're squishing out the poop then you
have water where is that water going is that then able to be processed and go into the river the the the water we press out of the the um the sludge get circulated back through the plant and treated okay
in other words all that water is put back into the system and as we know we have to be certain requirements to discharge out into the river in other words bacteria free and all the those good things so that actually gets circulated back through the plant chlorinated and uh
treated okay thank you and then the if if you don't do anything with the cake you have to just pay to dispose of it right in a not a some type of facility but it's not a toxic waste facility
right correct and then my last question which you've heard me I'm a broken record but I I just would love to have the specs to know what the energy consumption is of of the equipment because it's uh key to
know I'll note that I apologize I think I owed you that and and like I said it it fell off the radar radar apologize I can look through the uh the actual scope and and everything that was engineered and designed for you and and send that to you that'd be awesome or even the
proposal I can look through okay glad things are moving on yes that brings up another question you asked about the cake and how it's dispos or what you do with it where would it go well we we got to get a contract
going with a huler and where it goes um generally it goes to a cap landfill especially we we we're posos free um but again the the end game is I was hoping that um it'd be really cool to have a fertilizer to use in the community with
no no chemicals or heavy metals in on the end game down the road um so we haven't gotten that far yet is the answer we we just haven't um we got to get a little further on in the project to get a hauler in where it's going I mean it could be as far as Northern New
Hampshire um it could be uh Eastern New York there's there's different areas it all depends uh we got to follow the procurement process on that did you have your I did yeah it's a tangentially related question again but
I remember reading somewhere that the CPA is going to be looking at Community preservation committee is going to be looking at a graywater system potentially for um that development that might be being or something and I frankly don't really know what a greywater system is and if it's
something that's useful is it something that can be applied more widely I I it just does this play nicely with your systems I guess is what I'm asking this potential project seems like Carol knows also so it was a good question I I happen to meet with a developer today I
had a meeting this afternoon that's why I was running a little late so uh good question um a graywater system was not mentioned um a pump station was was talked about uh in a force main system up the hill
to connect into our sewer system um so we talk about that because they want to avoid septic systems a very large septic system for that development um near the river so um at the end of the day D and EPA would like to see all septic systems
go away and and and uh pipe to a treatment plant but um so we're in the beginning phases with discussions with the developer on that so um but a graywater system was not brought up today they still have to um unless
they're putting a septic in and then have massive tanks pumped out as far as the solids uh everything will come to our system it would be gray water and and um the waste water are they trying to use composting toilets I think that might be what it is
that that's the Black Water gray water is like washing your hands showering they were doing gray water but only on a small portion of the development and the and there rest was going to be put back in the city some let me let me check with Hannah we're a couple minutes over Hannah and supposed
to go on to presentation by resilient Greenfield so want to know if we want to wrap it up to move on or uh last question last question well I'm glad you brought up the graywater question because it's they have applied
for some money from the CPC and that's coming up tonight right in a half an hour yeah so anyway obviously like a wetland scientist work we'll hear a little bit more about it from the guy who's who's
asking for the money I guess that's we're L to leave it at the moment yeah 10 seconds S I would just say that when I was doing the Anor robic digestor study when Marlo
was in Hadley we did explore I'm a huge fan of gry water and and you can do them in Northern climates and New Hampshire allows it by law it it's it's way more complicated and and the scale is huge we're what three to five million gallons
a day or something um versus a house which is what 35 gallons a day or something like that per person so um but did do some exploring and there is Ashfield and they've done some great stuff but again I
think I don't see that as a viable option and I try to make impossible things happen all the time so say again that particular development you don't see it as a v oh no I thought you meant for the wastewater treatment plan no no I was not talking just about that development but it makes sense that
scale it might be difficult yeah it's definitely possible but someone needs to really know what they're doing and there's a lot of limitations does it work if you don't you have to use only certain types of soaps and there so anyway I know we're over time and and I
I I I believe that getting impossible things done is a new job description yeah so next we have we have a presentation by resilient green is that gram actually I put it on okay thank you I no so thank you yeah I mean grandma is
there and he is resilient Greenfield but I I I was bringing it up um because resilient Greenfield is all about volunteers and I was looking back at the recommendations that we recommended in uh you know in those two chapters and I
by the way I couldn't find the tables does anybody know where those tables are that we were working from you know they're in the back hey hey MF yes I since I have to go to this GCC Gala um would it be possible for me to talk about the climate piece and then go and
let you handle the volunteer piece after up you that that's two separate things but if that's fine with me welcome BR do you want to introduce yourself the climate piece for the public comment rather than for the agenda item so oh I see
gotcha but you have you have to go how soon I well I'm supposed to be there at 5 so oh but but this is important so uh sure so you want to make a public comment oh thank you so much please go ahead y yes um resilient Greenfield is a
little confusing because on the one hand it's volunteering on the other hand it's climate resilience so I'm speaking now from the climate resilience side we're a climate crew Hub through the climate crew program uh out of better future project and by taking that on uh we have
two jobs one is to let the public know about the uh emergency Operation Center I'm meeting with Chief stran next week um and also talk with Chief strain about uh what are the uh things that the
center is prepared to do that relate to potential climate emergencies we might foresee um and maybe there's some things he isn't thinking about um and maybe there's some coordination between what Greenfield does uh what some of the agencies around do and maybe what some
of the mutual Aid groups around you just so that if a climate crisis happens you know there can be enough of a response um I haven't been appointed to do this by anybody in Greenfield so you know we're just going to offer to do what we can but this is what the the climate
crew hubs throughout the country uh do um there's one in Northampton for example that's not what I want to talk about today though I though I wanted I will want to ask you guys about that some other point the other half of us is trying to get the public aware of the
ways in which climate is predicted to and already impacting our region here um so that they can be educated about it um and then be in a position to respond when something happens because they knew that it might happen um you know I know
that there's all the don't look up problems but um no we we have to start somewhere a lot of people do know when I talk to people almost all of them are really hip to what's going on but some people I talk to have no clue and have misinformation in their heads we are
having this open launch meeting on March 29th the morning of that from 10:00 to 12:30 is what MF is going to talk about the afternoon from 12:30 to3 is what I'm
going to talk about I want to invite at least one member of the sgic to represent the sgic and exactly what Carol spoke to earlier about the Gap whatever it happens to be between the initial sustainable and grial master
plan which didn't really get that climate informed and what we're having to deal with now if it could be Carol that would be so fantastic but I know she's insanely busy what's going to go on is um 12:30 the remainders of of
lunch will be eaten there's going to be a turn to talk from the people who are there I'm expecting between 40 and 60 people to just you know ask ask one of a set of questions like you know uh what does the climate crisis mean to you uh
do you think it's already happening just you know kind of like Baseline things and then I wanted to have some speakers Chief St Strahan will speak um uh Danny um uh botkin who's in
permaculture development will speak um and I wanted somebody from to represent Greenfield's municipality to say here look we are already dealing with this we're already spending money taxpayer Monday money and time on this this is real it is happening it's appropriate
for us to have ongoing teachin unconference education and so now and Nancy knows all about this because I've been talking to her about it and we'd invited green and Greenfield to speak but they don't have the capacity for this day um so what the would happen after this Turnin talk and after a
little intro is that um one of our members uh um Pia um will introduce oh no she's doing your turn talk someone will introduce this set of speakers that I'm speaking about they'll just say a little bit about you know how climate
crisis is real and informing their planning you know um AI from uh um just Roots will speak I think uh about how that's changing farming and all that um that's going to happen for about a half hour just people giving little five to
10 minute talks um and then we'll have Q&A for the next half hour um then we'll have students from uh uh Four Rivers uh Greenfield High School uh um Northfield Mount Herman um and they're just going to be a little panel and and Greenfield
uh Community College and there'll be a panel where they'll just say something about how do they feel how's it feel to them to be thinking about the climate in their future and to allow the audience to ask them questions too they're kind of going to be stand-ins for the little I'm scared that's going to be in everybody and that is in everybody who's
who knows what's going on and then at uh 2 o'clock uh we're going to form different circles based on what people want to talk about but one of the circles will be planning uh every it'll be probably half a year in frequency um
climate crisis teach in or unconference meaning that whoever comes to the thing can says I want to learn about this and then we ask who can talk about that and then based on the match we then have a registration of like therefore who wants to go and hear this person talk about
that and then we go and deploy to the other rooms in Greenfield Community College or something like that um and have that conference that's the model so that's what we're up to in the afternoon um I don't know if during a public comment I can ask if anybody on the
committee uh wants to respond and ask some questions of me but um Carol I I have emailed you about this before you would be my my fantasy pick uh George you know but Carol man I I would just you know be so happy so does anybody have
any questions about this before I get off and go to GCC for this Gala do you have a um website we do but see the tricky thing is the people who are interested in the volunteering thing that MF is going to talk about aren't
necessarily into the climate thing and right now the the the real difficult part is that we need to get enough both organizations that need volunteers and businesses that have employee volunteer programs up at the same time so that it actually kicks off it's like an engine
where you know you need to have the air and you need to have the gas so we didn't want to confuse things by putting a whole lot about the climate I mean you'll see a button where you can RSVP on the website but that's pretty much it once we have this launch we're going to separate the two things but we wanted to
have the that mass of people in the room by the time we started the climate thing because we want to reach people who aren't necessarily or the you know the choir who come to the thing that's going to be the next day over at St James and Andrew for example we want to reach some other folks and so maybe we can get them
to stay with the turn and talk and whatever but is there a website you could tell us just so we could the details that just shared and so if you go to resilient greenfield.in thing yet but there's a
button on resilience greenfield.com Unity site or news I don't remember what it is lately and that's where you'll see I've been so you know all the local news articles about climate impacts in the area and a whole lot of other teaching stuff that's going to be kind of like
the curriculum plus whatever anybody else brings for the climate stuff so you'll see how serious we are if you on that button thank you thank you any anybody else have a quick question BR where he has to go uh yes car I don't know it's not a
question it's it's uh bad no I was trying to email you before 4 o'clock and I just couldn't but I I actually won't be around that weekend so I I'm sorry about that but I yeah sorry but I figure I should say it here because there's
other fine folks and uh good work thank you having somebody represent the committee would just be so excellent and we may talk about that after you leave but John had a question just I could have actually probably asked Nancy but is this
connected to green and Green Field is this like an offshoot this is a totally different organization yeah I just saw the word Greenfield twice and I got confused which is silly thank you all right thanks very much BR take care care
so back to so back to the the volunteer part okay so yeah so I was reading yeah I was asking where that link was so if somebody has the link to those to the I don't mean in the plan I I mean the ones we were working
on H the priorities and you were sending those out right that we got in our agenda packets every well I think it got Mary was going to turn it into yeah Story Board are you looking for the for the ones that we updated the two
chapters yeah yeah while you're talking I'll see yeah meanwhile you know I did I did find Mary's uh story map which is quite complete and I did find what I was looking for which was the land use strategy 1.4 engage volunteers to help
with downtown maintenance and explore ways to make that program financially sustainable so looking for funding um for cleanup but also organize a volunteer group that would help to clean up the downtown at one point before maybe it didn't make it to the
recommendations but I even remember uh one wish was to someday hire a volunteer coordinator for the's been talking about that for years so it hasn't happened probably won't
happen anytime soon right so then um I got involved with resilient Greenfield and I thought well okay here is something we can actually do so resilient Greenfield is as as Braham mentioned and I think he spoke with you guys last year already about this maybe um before my time I
don't call it it's very new he told me he came he came to you once ask questions but I believe it was I it was either before the forming of Brazilian Greenfield or he was sort of coming just on his own to okay uh
inquire about us it's a volunte group itself resilient Greenfield and the big part is about volunteers it's um creating or using a web- based platform called uh give pulse what again give
pulse and if for us it's Greenfield do give pulse give yeah g i v e u l s e okay to uh get volunteers to sign up and then also to get
organizations to sign up organizations who need volunteers and it's kind he often calls it a dating service you know to to match volunteers with opportunities like an organization puts they join up and they say okay we are organization so and so and we we
need volunteers for this this and that or we have an event and they're called events and then when a volunteer goes on they can see the whole list of things and they can pick and choose if they want to volunteer so and at the U March
29th event at GCC is going to be the big launch like right now it's it's in its infancy it's not really um out there you know so uh business organizations are going to come volunteers are going to come they're
going to be helped to uh join it's not super easy in my opinion to to sign up to this thing I did it but it's a there all these questions you can ignore and if you look at them it's like what size t-shirt are you so um anyway so because we said that
this the city would like to have on ears um my idea my idea was um well what if the city signed up as somebody who's looking for volunteers now the library has already done it for instance the library
is already on they've already have events I mean they're not um I don't think they're using it really although it works because I signed I signed up to log in my my hours with stone soup you know organizations like this but as far as the town's concerned the the city I
mean the library has already joined and have their own page and I don't know that the town the city is maybe even if they're interested they might not have anybody who has the time to do this but I was thinking but what
about sgic having doing it um and and just let me finish this one thought is that so somebody has to put the events up and I would and I would be happy to be that person you know if people you
know wanted to send me oh we have this we would like volunteers I could be the person who's administering the page you know that's just an idea I wanted to float by yes so um you said the library got involved and
put up a page you mean a page on the res resilient greenfield.in Green Field they did it on their own but hopefully they will affiliate so that when you go to Green Field uh Brazilian Green Field you will
see because we have like stone soup and some banks and uh uh I don't I I forget maybe we're talking to the YMCA so if people are volunteers with us or in B field they would see they would
see the whole list of opportunities you the list of the library is not on here but it might be just because they don't have current event yeah yeah so so the give pulse volunteer coordination thing is independent of Brazilian Greenfield
yeah Gil FS is I think Nationwide it's International because Brazil is coming okay for this so um give pulse is like its own platform that looks to sort of social media eyes
volunteerism and so you can set up not only your own page but also your own networks and resilient Greenfield is looking to sort of a h got it um other organizations and groups in Green Field so that they are helping everyone kind
of organize around one another and be more in touch because the goal ultimately is that it creates all of these affiliation so that you can see who's volunteering where and talk about your experience and encourage other people to do it and it becomes kind of like a social media s encouragement
system great so if everybody does it under one Hub then it's easier to kind of see each other but if everybody signs up on all separate pages it's harder to connect in so resilient Greenfield is trying to kind of drive this this Hub within Greenfield
with with the ultimate I think the ultimate goal is to kind of strengthen our community you know that's and and I think they want to have maybe quarterly events Gathering every so we're about in
time for this I wondered there were I heard a couple asks uh Bram was saying uh would this committee want to designate someone to attend the plan that's kind of separate that that's the that's the change thing yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm
just I'm just during the his public comment he threw that out there I know we have a meeting two days prior to that so we could potentially put that on the agenda and then see if someone uh if you want to designate someone and you talking about us this committee somehow
being involved with the G pulse oh you know the town yes you know if the town is looking for volunteers when it be a good idea if it was yes oh I was just getting ready yeah if it if it was one of the list uh in the in the L thing
sure and as I said I don't know who to talk to in town but it feels like our committee is maybe the best um yeah um I I agree very much with with the city getting involved I don't
know that we're the right entity only because I think it would necessitate us having someone who is going to be in that role long term because if you cycle off the committee
it would mean that sgic would always have to have someone that was willing to be a volunteer coordinator which is such a huge job and though but I do think that getting City departments like the library like the W Department like the
DPW whoever is interested to join could certainly be an sgic effort I mean we could certainly help amplify and talk about resilient Greenfield internally to different departments and encourage them to use the platform I think that's a
wonderful role forp I just don't know that we want to sort of house as a volunteer coordinator if we don't know that that's something we're committing to in perpetuity in the interest of time should we put this to re next agenda um you would ask asked about the
Excel spreadsheet yes I she sent it out 42524 I just are you did excent all right and I also need to get going because I gotta go pick up a kid with you yes a pleasure I I genuinely am sad to leave this committee
but I also know I have less time than I used to bring oh wait are you not going to be here anymore his baby I'll watch your baby see will you at least like you're gonna probably 90% likely get Sarah Brown she's great so I am you'll
be in good hands you like pop in and just periodically P the baby up and sort of like honestly like you guys are talking about the guy coming in giving the speech I'm like oh on the second I maybe I'll show up for that probably you will not get rid of me it was a pleasure
and so much yes very our department would babysit anytime you and n and that's a good seg into our next agenda item take care
John are you staying on the count of course yeah okay that's part yeah I got Shanghai didn't being vice president oh boy it's more bye guys bye John so that one aspect of membership is clear there
going to be the counil appointed yes so we had talked last time about someone to Phil mared uh going to see yes so um you have this on here just to get an update or some people are going to reach I think yeah I think more suggestions yeah I had reached out
actually to a number of people and then I had reached out to find out whether it's still vacant or whether my understanding is that because I didn't want to keep working on what I was doing unless I knew the position was still open so um I I've been specifically
focusing on the idea of someone who is into food security and and so I've reached out to the Franklin County food Council J Roots the guy that I know Kyle Bostrom whatever and who else anyway a
couple other people so far I haven't found anybody like I found people but they don't live in or they you know but I haven't given up but that's why I wanted to know whether it's still vacant before I keep as far as I know it is
I've not heard otherwise I I will say that the mayor's office doesn't always inform us but would you want to check yeah with the mayor's office just good idea just not thank you yes
is that the only at large position that's open yes okay so if there's someone a different topic or someone that you know that would be great for this committee please it just seemed looking over the list of
priorities in the charter or whatever you know uh for the committee that seemed like one is s represent oh yeah big so yes you know if that question would be best addressed to Aaron would she know I would start there yeah
yeah thank you any last thoughts on that so we could all thinking and find a recruit yeah send them to the mayor their interest and they do have to be a
resent okay last item is uh uh announcements related to sustainability March 29th she 10 a.m. afternoon that was what I I didn't catch all the time that's why I wanted to
check that website out be on there great all right um so next meeting is uh the 27th Thursday two days before that and that's a GCC you said that event is GCC well that's too bad the 27th I'm
I'm probably yeah yeah taking a plane on any there's no announc don't to feel better I just have a question I don't know why it's lighter at Marlo's house than it is here yeah right look at
that all right is there a motion to Jour so moved second all in favor thank you guys on Zoom [Music]