well I'd like to call the meeting to order it's 5 o'lock somewhere actually it's five o'clock here we should be There should be Does any Does everybody have the agenda online
there's not a I had the folder shared with me so impression cap um I will be honest i didn't get much farther than stage coach pictures oh lens cap i think Oh yeah
you get all techy on this they're covering really not enough the other one the one in city hall was like this weird like on a hole like I guess I was expecting something just moved and like is that a lens cap what
how 1999 very plastic i don't know the lens cap when I leave okay so uh let's do a I call it to order ro call
members uh Marggo Jones chair terry Stuggers newest member uh Sarah Bulock here secretary jeremy Eversol here abby Blackie here
vice I don't know i just everyone else had a time to ignore me oh okay okay bad ears all right and we have as guests with us we have Aliro from And I'm sorry but
uh no I'm Alyssa Wro from Rural Development Inc here for the name oh okay great great could you say annunciate where you're from please rural Development Inc got it i have a slide need to hear something clearly right
thank you and we also had Anthony from moving in right and and he didn't ask Doug oh and I didn't ask Doug hello Doug from afar yes I am here blocks that way
not even six blocks but quite close by all right thank you and u I'll entertain a motion to approve the March 6 minutes so move second any uh comments or edits or
all those in favor i Okay thank you all right so um under old business we have another CPC update Sarah oh yes we do
so I wasn't sure if you're going to have access to this i think it's a good idea so the CPC actually voted recently on how to fund all the projects uh for anybody not familiar the CPC is an act allow municipalities to adopt a property
search charge of up to 3% uh and matches the revenue from state funds uh we joined CPC in or the CPA in 2020 uh with a 1% search charge uh and we actually have we have three applications for historical this year and all three of
them were fully funded so the Franklin County Courthouse restoration that the CRC wants to do was fully funded uh the the $17,000 request from the Franklin County Agricultural Society to rehabilitate the historical barns they basically they give to us to whitewash
the barns that was also approved and the $7,000 to preserve the historic materials of the library's local history room was also approved uh it was supposed to go to the Z council for a vote in March on the 19th but I believe I I asked Christian today that it's
going to go for the first reading in May and then it's going to be voted on officially in June so it has not been voted on yet by Z council but it's sitting on the desk in the Tile so what are the what's the fair people what are they doing instead of white they're
doing something else they found a alternative that's going to look basically just the same but it's not so instead of doing using the traditional process it's just a white paint that will last 30 years longer and it would be a lot cheaper long no but they're trying they in doing that
they tried to keep the historical accuracy as close as possible without you know sacrificing the longevity and affordability of the product because we did look for a whiteasher but it was electric triple the cost expensive yeah the line washing i I'm always skeptical of new
technologies actually lasting longer than But I didn't stop but I'm glad that it was fun okay well next time anything more on that not yet i will keep everybody posted i'll tell you it was a real fight i had to get up on a table and it was
time oh yay for Sarah that doesn't usually happen i did also as an aside ask about what our deadlines would be as far as any kind of stage code priorities or anything like that going forward um the
pre-applications are due I believe at in September so pretty quickly so pretty quickly so we don't want to sit on it if we're thinking about doing it at any point this year we did also end up a $56,000 surplus for next year uh that will that's basically from the
flexible spending account like each each category has its own minimum amount I believe we send 10 10 right for historic uh recreation and then 30% for housing because the demand is so high so on top
of that we have the flexible spending account which is where the surplus sits as it as it stands right now but that's not going to necessarily be the case because one of the applicants that got uh declined could for instance come back and say hey I have this thing that you
required for my application for this fiscal year and then we could go back and approve it with what's left of the budget so that's not a standing city number but it's potential okay great all right next item is uh the W
and Russell Dan's DAM uh discussion and um so I have proposed a letter which is on the Google drive and I meant to print it out i'm sorry I didn't do it i did go
Sarah um and so [Music] uh on the screen too oh right see what I've got and welcome Bob Willilifford um there were in the minutes letter
yes so I notice on this item it says plans to remove Mil Street and Wing it doesn't the that's what this the agenda might say that but the letter does not say that right it's not under
demolition request i got it right here okay guys it's the 18th March yes yes it is which is not what you So uh at the risk of being a little boring I'm going to
read it or you're going to get it on Okay and he's got his own copy of his game so did you print the right one 18 March one that you sent out with this agenda today yeah okay great
no it was the new not super tech i had to look at the lens cap there we go everything okay so briefly uh we've we've discussed this matter uh
extensively and in regard to the city and CRC joint application and Noah for funding to remove the dam and because the dam is clearly in the inventory and considered
significant we are bound by ordinance to follow standard procedures for historically significant properties the procedure as it currently stands is to um at the point when a demolition application is submitted
uh that request is forwarded to us and then we bring it to a meeting and decide whether to invoke the delay ordinance so at that point uh we may or may not have a public hearing given that it's a
significant property uh it's likely we would have a hearing and at that point we could decide whether we're for or against it but we don't want to short circuit the legal process
so uh if that's and if we're if if people want to approve this letter we can officially sign it i can sign it as chair and um fine yeah I I read it so coming up i
like the way it's worded it kind of hits all the check marks so I make a motion the uh the letter i have one technical and it's Oh [Music] [Music]
the It's not number it's not 58 um the 58 is the the 20 2002 version of the um city code okay the new city code is chapter 241
241 rather than 50 days okay anyways but they're essentially the same thing as the new exact new number yeah yeah i'll read that motion i make the motion as amended with the correct chapter number and seconded by Tim
Alex as part of the discussion just comment more than anything else um maybe bring Tim up to speak because he was here to ask me so we initially were after letter support because they're writing grant and we were looking for to
include that and um the grant's been submitted already with other letters of support um so this wasn't absolutely necessary um and in our discussion the last time um uh I
noted that there's no guarantee we'll get the funding if you don't then there's other funding we can go through in which case we could still need some some level of support however discussion also uh noted that you know
the guys can't not support it at this point given the processes that you have so then um the request became more one of a letter of acknowledgement than a letter and that's basically what this
what I could see um it's still very helpful for us in that uh there are other entities that have looked at what's going on in the past and said well you know is this really going to happen you know you don't have the
historical commission board well we can't say guys are on board but we can say that um they're aware and um went around this uh 10 12 years ago one of the complaints of the historical
commission was that they weren't engaged at an early in process and I think this basically puts it down on paper that you guys are aware and you are engaged and um so um I think this letter is fine it
will go a long way um towards communication between yourselves and the mayor um who's you know wants to push this forward um I assume that she will get a copy of this um it's addressed to her yeah and uh uh and again if we have
questions from funders or other partners about you know it's the level of engagement with the store commission it's all here on paper so I'm I'm I'm pleased that you guys can provide this and I thank thank you for your work and putting this together because this is
this is farther than we've gotten believe it or not um and um the grant that we did submit will be uh we'll hear we hope sometime around uh
June or so we get the funding or not um it is for both the WY Russell and the Milstream Dam um partially the little Milstream um because uh it opens up more habitat if we include both did you just
rather rust it's only 18 yeah right saving the portion that's needed for the utilities right so it's a big project um it also involves the um first stand down in the McLill River
in Hatfield that's sort of bundled in with this because again CRC felt that you know the more we can do with one of these big grants the better is that the dam that's near the restaurant
yeah no the mill or what it's it's either a B&B or a brewery but they bought a mill next to the dam right and when they did that they didn't realize that dam was kind of part of the package
so they own the dam they own the dam the dam has issues so they're looking to do something about it um remove it repair it whatever and CRC approached him and said "We can help
you remove it." Um and so we entered in that where was that again it's on the Mill River in Hatfield almost downtown hatfield it's kind of tucked away see it
up for the first time last week yeah very cool anyway uh that's an aside so we have a motion on the table um someone like move I can do it
yeah motion all those in favor great any opposed no okay okay thank you well we'll get you this letter and I just want to point out Alice it does say the
mayor was 1750 i don't think there's anything we get name history I know i've been harassing evidence of the fish and have not been impressed by the
material that I've seen but having talked to Peter Thomas I am he's got the facts and the figures and stories and and citations and stuff on what fish were and stuff like that
so could I ask you to have him contact me about that um because I'm very interested in that of course um well I'll tell you what if you'll put your email address on this paper it be easier to do that and I'll
send you his contact information and you can talk to him but he's he's really something okay i just did a panel within GCC senior symposium about the uh King Phillips war and the battle took place in area through Greenfield and so forth
he was on the panel with me so we had time to stuff including this question so he's not [Music] nois written number of books and papers
and stuff like that he's really hot hot potato really knows what he's talking like to know what information he has and how he got it oh no it's not that I've been looking for years
sure okay and uh with the approval of the meeting here I'd like to move up the 170 to 186 Main Street project on it's part of our old business and I think the
other Okay so Alyssa and this is about the 17 186 name and you brought boards so I do it all depends on what you've got
because there's a bunch of stuff on the drive it could not be that specific thing that I can start it should be there's five documents here i don't remember exactly what I said okay it was a little while ago we'll get
through with it see if you can But we have Yeah well why don't you take it away and we'll try to follow you we'll see what I'm here um sure yeah so my name's Melissa Rose i am
the housing development director for Rural Development Inc which is a nonprofit organization um based out of the Franklin County Regional Housing and Redevelopment Authority our offices are in Mountain View and we serve all of Franklin County
um so this project was I know that you reviewed it could you introduce oh yeah Tom Ch oh great thank you so Tom yes Tom is our architect and sorry Tom
um so I know that this project has been reviewed once previously by the the commission um the plans that you looked at at that time were pretty conceptual um and I know there there were some concerns with um kind of lack of details
on on materials especially um exterior materials so we wanted to come back to the commission now that we're further along and have more of those details um to kind of uh you know discuss the projects with you here if you've got
concerns um what your input is um on kind of where we're heading we It's a I can give kind of an overview again of what the project is um so it's a 24 unit fourstory building at
176 Main Street um which currently is a singlestory building um so the project would demo the existing building and build the new fourstory building on roughly the same track in the parking lot but this isn't
one of the parking yeah that's in the back i don't think we have any say on this one i don't think so this one right it's part of the overall okay um yeah so the one that you're that
you're most interested in Yeah is is the one right on Main Street so So this is 24 units of housing um a mix of one two and three bedroom units we've been through the planning board process and we have our site plan um approval um
completed so that process is done um where we're at right now is um in early construction design phase we submitted an application to the state in February for um the bulk of the funding but there's still other funding applications
that we're working on um the design of the building is you know the first floor has um community resident community space that's facing Main Street and so we have
a lot of window glazing on the front um to keep it really an active space right on the public sidewalk um so there's a lobby area and then when you walk in there's a property management office a mail room but then the majority of kind
of the front space on Main Street is a community uh kind of multi-function community room yeah and you can see it there um where there'll be places for people to hang out and sit um they can study they can work there kids can play
um etc there'll be a small kitchenette um and then there's also a laundry room that's kind of just in the back of that space and so people are doing their laundry they can hang out there um and then in the back on the first floor is
our two units um one of them is fully accessible one will be adaptable um we have other accessible units in the building but it was nice to have some first floor units um for that purpose um there's lots of mechanical space um on
the other side and then what you can't totally tell here is that there's overhang there's an overhang um on the east side of the building oh yeah right here yeah yeah and so the upper floors the upper floors will come out to the
same you know the full extent of um the property but the first floor is inset a little bit on the front and the side um and and so that provides some outdoor patio space um for residents and
there'll also be bike parking um that will be um kind of in the largest space kind of to the rear um so it' be covered by parking um and then on the on the west side in between the the one the our
building and the 156 Main Street there's a courtyard area so that's open that will allow for light and air um coming through for the for the both buildings really um going up
um and that will allow folks to also go you know from Main Street through the lobby area out towards the back where the town houses will be um there's also going to be an explorable play space out where the town houses are that's available for all residents to use
um and then on the upper floors it's all residential units with some um kind of small little there's an elevator lobby and then a small little lounge area but otherwise it's all units and it's a mix of one bedrooms two bedrooms and three
bedrooms um and we are affordable housing developer so all of these units will be affordable it'll be at a mix of incomes um so we'll be serving um anywhere from kind of extremely low income folks all the way up to more moderate income families
so this is adjacent to the Riverwood Cup uh just about yeah and then the 188 Main Street parcel which is city-owned parcel where they demoed the building right um they've been selected through an RFP process to acquire that parcel and incorporate it into their project i was
wondering so that that does the butt the the front rails on that side and they come back down the land yeah that's that's this right how stable is that is that uh it looks reasonably stable
oursel it will be our the new foundation sure level just for my own curiosity vibration there's going through is that something you how do you just for my own curiosity how do you accompany for that yeah we're
still working on that yeah we're going to have trouble paying windows for one% the building is going to be you know highly insulated so it's very it's got a lot of insulation it's very tight it's got air windows that you get some vibration i
have a parcel there looking at is this lot be right here so what are those finishes you said something about finishes what are the finishes look at the yellow three different finishes so you got the black finish there of the dark and you got the bricks and you got the gr so for we've
got the bricks and we were thinking that this these two pieces here would be I mean it's open to what they actually are but sometimes we think it's some kind of vertical metal cladding for gray wood
gra this is that's brick right there brick wall here and what is this that so that's up also it could be brick park there any arch details on if you go Sarah if you go
to just um let's see it's page 21 page 20 yes and also I still want to know for a We're connecting we're connecting the two buildings together to
provide elevator access to be in the building yes and we're putting in a new elevator obviously with the fourstory building and the current uh twotory building next door doesn't have an elevator and so we're going to provide um access to the second story for those tenants so that they can use the
elevator and not you only use Yeah that's nice part of our agreement that was one of the things that they you know really wanted to see
so there's there's no cornice or I'm just I'm thinking about the the classic green field architecture is bricks and branch yeah and that that's what I was just as I was just looking out the window here like you know like you know granick brick you know I'm just curious
about whether you're talking about anything like that because it is yeah right now you know it is we were trying to keep it simple while it's that it's okay for them to be contemporary
I would not want to see destroys this design there was a time when gargoyle was working temp is it too late to add one yeah now this this this uh side building has got some things on the windows there one of those
look like sills of some sort right so right anything in the back in the day they would have done a different pattern of bricks or something that you know was blows or something like that just to sort of keep it from being too boxy
yeah it's I mean recognizing that we understand I'm just saying past this Jeremy thing I have you up on the screen by the way um Oh yeah yeah it's it's a tricky line to walk obviously because Marggo
said I think like we don't as much as there's a part like just make it look old like that's not traditional preservation and I'm not saying that I even say that make it look like it's always been there and it doesn't I think it's fine it looks to me like a
pretty good balance shady stuff traditional pres practice you might want to make something historically differentiated to give some kind of an homage and a nod to the history clearly
comes from the era for me having predominance of proliferation of brick you know makes does that balance well is you know clearly a newer building but the You know the brick ties
in I think well to the rest of the room what What is it going on the first floor is that also kind of up in the air it is i mean we're pretty flexible it is i mean most of it's going to be glass this looking
at you we're looking at having more horizontal and maybe possibly having that boat the more opaque glass or the clear glass right so that sure we can have activities inside that you know people
press against and you've got the change of use of privilege to planning uh yeah it wasn't a change of use it was um residential yeah residential by right in the central commercial so it was really um just a
site and approval process he wasn't required to be well anyway basically well um we appreciate you coming to us i believe it was part of the
expansion of downtown historic do you know which district they're in historic district that I I have to look back at the MHC letter i I wasn't sure if we actually were in the historic district
it's in the historic district so that's why our letter we don't we don't have official review but yeah well MHP encouraged us to continue to collaborate did that
so there's an MHC letter that's on our hard drive somewhere what is it yeah there were two around the sent wrote a letter to them saying we don't think we have jurisdiction here
yeah then they said come visit us anyway okay one dated December and one dated January okay central because well yeah I remember the one in December we were like we just don't have enough information on this yeah think about
more of a matter of interest so they're expecting us to make comments probably um I'm sorry i I should have brought the letters the MHC letter from January
24th and not the building is in the central street area um yeah and in close proximity main street district and Benson's new blockers which is the state of national
so basically they're saying it's in the main street area which is not a historic district but it's very close to the historic district so I could I mean I being you know safe I guess will impact
the view of and I like the fact that it's something that should be encouraged because this is basically written yeah actually we are still in the process of signing um an agreement with
the city for the 188 Main Street parcel so you'll likely be seeing um another um MHC letter relating to that partial specifically we will need to submit a PN but we haven't initiated that yet and
that we won't have there won't be any public access to that we won't just purchase it no we haven't purchased this building yet either but we have said control agreement um but yeah the 188 Main Street parcel the plan for that
is just to have it we'll have to build a retaining wall um we haven't planned it all out but it will be landscape at the end of the day and there'll be views for Main Street out to the landscaped area see it from train so that's interesting that you do have
cornice detail on the wood frame building well it's all wood frame room yeah okay yeah we did feels I understand i think it feels like it needs a little more detail at the top
but just the end of Yeah but I think if we just if we just build up a little bit yeah different a lot of times they do her and bone or
vertical or something and so on 188 and this this looks like a brick wall but you're saying it's not going to be a brick wall something that you can see through well that's fencing right there it look I think the angle of the picture but it's actually it'll be um like metal fencing that you can see
through yeah i'm not sure i think the the intention of just hearing the intent of the hire was to maybe give a portion of maybe shorter but it was to give a little bit of privacy to this back area
come up the train but not looking yeah so we are imposing a pretty significant section that would be able to view and you'd be able to see the train tracks you know looking north which is kind of cool because it's like a hidden nobody
knows I was going to say a question somebody that there was a tunnel heard about it but nobody ever looked at it and and what it was for was like I have a question for you all and maybe a
challenge we're not doing anything to seize buildings and um but uh I read the city's report when they demolished the building that was on the 188 Main Street parcel and there's a mention of this half of this building being a repurposed
trolley car have you ever heard about that no no so I don't know where they got that information wow but it could be a building to explore i think D yeah i mean I've been in
Dur unmistakable yeah so maybe see the structure inside yeah they are well there used to be a store in there makes sense there's got to be the maps we may be able to find them
yeah the insurance yeah i don't know i I just thought it seems like a really cool detail okay well we have Yes yes no further discussion i I will check and
see if we're supposed to so I'll summarize of And one takeway we'll work on is Yeah so glad you have solar and adding
so many units that Yes as well any like additional things like including the history of the railroad would be cool if you're going to make it a feature not a like just a little sign or like a little paint piece well of the
old station which is probably you know yeah actually we're applying for a grant with the city um for design of to help support the cost to design this project and it includes um signage that would go on Main Street somewhere and so far it's
specifically we've been thinking about because we're hoping to turn the Main Street the 188 parcel into like a pollinator meadow that would be very low sure and so that that there'd be educational signage about pollinators and tying into the bee theme could be done but we could certainly include a
history element of that as well and talk about it's kind of a cool position you know nature [Music] and there [Music]
thanks so much okay now back to the third item under old business which is the historic stage code stage code uh so I uh you can if you want i just uh so far I really in progress i've been kind of
busy this month but I did go and actually look at the stage in the DPW um they are a little bit they're nervous about moving it around um Uh well it's not like from my
perspective it's not as bad as as what I thought it was um probably the worst thing is yeah the wheels and the wheel hubs are a little bit rough uh but like if you did some like staging and some uh you know
timbers or something like taking off the wheels the rest of it is solid i mean I was down under there like poking in with a screwdriver like it's not it's it's solid there's just a spot that shrunk and the wheels were getting Yeah yeah there's Yeah there is one crack there i
think that's one of the It's not done by a machine yeah one of the seats yeah there's like minor stuff you know that that needs restoration if you want to like use it uh but as I mean at least as a display piece it's not
it's really not all that bad use it pretty solid i mean yeah put some new wheels on it uh yeah I sent the Berry Historical Society email
and I haven't heard back from and I tried to call them they didn't answer okay contact the G uh I haven't had a chance to call them yet but now now that I'm here I'm like oh crap I'm going to do that when I started looking into that I was really surprised Conquer has got a whole bunch of coaches there they also
have a whole bunch of they've got a museum and they've got a bunch of people have their own own their own personal coach and and they're a lot of experts and rebuilders and stuff all around conquered Andrew and so they're really into it there yeah yeah maybe maybe call
us for another field trip yeah and he's he knows about him yeah that's uh that's where your that's where driver's feet go so that's pretty well worn so I would assume that's probably original oh that's But I mean you know I
went up there and I mean it's like I'm not a really heavy guy so I was like I stood up on the you know on the footrests that like get you actually into the coach it creaked and groaned a little bit but it didn't like fall apart like I said probably the worst probably what the DPW is nervous about is just
the wheels and the thing is they they shrink yeah but a lot of times what you can do with those old wheels is you could just sew them in the right kind of solution and it'll swell them up and they get a lot tighter yeah I was going to say as the original put some sort of
clamp or band around that to keep it just from flying apart well it's got an iron band around the outside but but uh yeah that's the problem that I've seen with the old wooden wheels it's just shrinkage so yeah so yeah so you know condition is not as bad as originally
thought kind of need like upholstery and uh you saw one picture like the leather straps that hold it up you probably want to get replaced but I mean like the frame's solid you know maybe a little bit of reinforcement in the floor fix minor cracked boards but it's not you know
it's it's still there it's probably nicer shape than my pickup truck yeah it looks like just normal wear and tear I don't see any rot I don't see any damage I don't see you know the big scary things aren't there No it's Yeah
so yeah it's it's a it's a pretty good starting point and uh I I still have yet to reach out to just try to get like cost estimates like roughly you know what would it be uh because the the B uh I don't have any clarification yet on Barry's stage coach whether it was
purely a cosmetic refurbish or if they did anything right um so I'd be to figure that out they should be able to give you ballpark the museum yeah okay well do we want that to continue or anybody else so yeah the big problem here is is this is
this final destination i mean to me that's that's a bigger question really than the renovation is yeah where are we going to put in it if you had it in good shape where people could see it i mean you know historic places in in this town i mean that to me that's the big
question that you got to really address could be selling fairgrounds wouldn't it you'd have to build a special building for it and you'd have to have their cooperation which is not necessarily for coming well I don't know where else it would be
oh not enough room but what's that hallway supposed to be this here that's going to be the museum that's the fire station fire station but you you need a you need a place and I know when we talked about this years
ago the his at the society that was the the stop we had no room for it in the society building which is what we love and where where else you know the back of the the library building in the building are we going to restore it just
to put it back in storage and that's that's the problem want to do that so you know and and now GCC took a couple of things they took the bell you know and display the bell and they've got the whale jaw and they've got some other stuff up there they have some foot
square footage what about the industrial much no no it's super tiny yeah they they don't they would have space for it down there well we could also see if we preserve it what kind of person basically organ then I it has this kind of pickle it kind of keep it from not
quite like that but I don't have the I have the vocabulary that that I'm reaching for but basically chemically preserve it so that it doesn't kind of like what we did with the uh with the restoration on the white washer you certainly can you certainly can do things to it that like with the wheels
uh that would keep it from getting worse and there would be probably have to have a cost estimate for that too say we'd like it to keep it from getting worse without getting it to the point where you can drive it down the street behind some horses you know which where's where's the immediate place for
that and yeah and I mean I as you started with Tim I mean I think the important thing is like finding them for it i don't call like the deep like I had to climb you can't really see in the pictures cuz I was like close up but it's just like buried behind a bunch of junk it's kind of it's probably in the
way after the time it's just that just needs to get folded into the cost of the restoration maybe yeah that's just part of it i mean that building that that old factory building that the city owns on Redell yeah Redell Street i mean that's
got enough room it's in terrible shape but there's some enough there's enough space in that building i think there are rumors about the city seeking a new town hall and needing something to put in the old town hall
so using the town hall as it exists now if they were to move right could be the museum because it's a historic building yeah so we might you might not have a place now but we hope to see how the dominoes fall that's true yeah
interesting that certainly is i like the Redell Street redell the city owns it mayor said "Oh that place." Well I actually might put something else there well maybe so that was worth bleaching out i mean it's it's it's a mess
but it's solid well I wonder if we can It's reinforced concrete when I broached the topic about the stage coach to the CPC they were like "Oh thank you there's been somebody who's been asking about this forever." Yeah ever and ever and ever i'm like "Really?" So the point is
I think if we did decide that that building was the place to go we might be able to build a volunteer force to get it in shape there seems to be an energy around the state coach right there is it's great you parlay that into energy
for stability or something huh like that i mean I think it's a 219 building that never stop oh polluted
oh yeah no doubt about it well I worry about you know things like storage building yeah and may we have to be written part of the funding for this right yeah well that's that's a big Yeah no it's
frightening that's a hard sell part of the deal we did still go to the CPC with that as far as partial funding yeah like you know with the rec department the pickle wall stuff it was like uh you know $50,000 of
like a $3 million project we could do something like that right I think it also becomes difficult to go and say we need a bunch of money to store it as opposed to saying we need this much money to use this space to store it you know yeah things come out of the
woodwork too like once something there's momentum towards restoring or something the imagination I mean it's pretty common to Yeah yeah start working on it and then you but it's still hard to find you can also push the narrative that it's a it's
basically like a symbol of the community and where community right now seems to be in in a lack it might be a really positive thing that people could really rally about become excited about if they're not already and if you talk to Gary Sanderson he'll tell you about the the roads that were
here you know he owns that tavern tavern farm which used to be the tavern on the main go north but there were roads that went through here across the forge across the Connecticut yeah you know and came out from Boston that was one of the first
turn tracks ever built came out went across the river then came in through Greenfield and went out north and went south and so forth and those roads are like here where the stage goes ran yeah he wants to pull up to his his
house and get off and stay the night you know so that's all part of that same thing a really neat story what's the date i didn't see any date marked on it no I don't know it would be some research i
would bet you could probably find I was thinking about it the other day too i bet I would bet you could probably find the records probably you know yeah I think you should be able probably find schedules and stuff and you know yeah the only to say this but it doesn't seem like this particular coach 1850 or is it
earlier well I don't I don't know i mean the the railroad came here in 1846 that was the first time a train pulled into town 1846 but the railroads didn't take over from those guys for a long time well no and
but that is a a part of the town's heritage in transportation i mean it made us a seat sure yeah when Gerfield said keep those smelly trains out of our town mayor said no and this was this was the crossroads and all those rings came
you know so it's a great story for the town I okay well I'm trying to keep this to an hour uh okay 46 street um we went and visited it and
uh don't know exactly to report on this but we didn't really we didn't really make any obviously we didn't make any decisions about it but we took some pictures we don't think it's as bad as we thought i was I personally was skeptical about the cost
to the bait supposedly a bunch of asis or whatever was there and I saw Eric said you can send us the the report and I haven't seen it yet oh I got it me because yeah it was just nothing nothing that stuck out to me that was
like "Oh yeah there's a bunch of speces here." Like piles like like you know it wasn't like you know like the classic like stuff around the pipes with the mesh it was like there's none of it you know
it was unclear how it could have possibly been $80,000 worth yeah there and it is in decent shape and we think yeah I mean right now it's at this point where like we should like something should be done like again like just kind
of keep it from getting worse than it is so where where is this this is a center project this is intelligence oh question you know I can't find an answer that's my problem i can't although it's some very cool stuff if if this does get
slated for demo in the end we should go in and look at like they hint the old mass from the fallout zones from the the nuclear uh row up here one angle fence yeah they they had all kinds of radiation in there in the basement and
inside I mean I think that'd be a cool starter or ADU or whatever or finish home a new ADU cost like $200,000 to build though so you can move and fix that for less than that
show the picture of the building do we need like little house that they are they do not have it on the drive oh okay well it's very nice i have it in here you know what that like main hall in there is probably the perfect size to
put a stage coach okay one day moving on to your lot is there an email that you haven't sent i I was going to send you someone had mentioned the city might was potentially considering putting a duct
they had thought about it but on the inside sure you took out took out that that I mean that suspended ceiling you'd have enough overhead for the stage coach to fit oh it would fit in that pretty tall
knock a wall out of it to get it in there yeah that's a wall to get it in there well put a big door um I'm not sure what we should do with this we they're not the city's not going to dem uh demolish it because the hazmat
is too expensive so it's on hold oh okay think that is high we think right well who knows eric said you know we're not putting out
well that's the thing we cons [Music] yeah but I you can't even do that stuff on yeah there's a 10 mph winding you don't work anyway it can get really expensive so that's
on where we should right but there's another aspect of it that I noticed when we talked about this before and that is that we could talk to recreck department that was talking about the plans for the thing but at no point did I hear anything about any definite funding or
any definite plans or any definite anything about using that space next to it for recreation uh general thing was if we had it we would use it but I didn't hear her say anything about any you know we had excellent set aside
particularly the ball we had I didn't hear I was listening for it but I didn't hear it maybe they do have didn't hear it might have been dependent on capital well they probably wouldn't want to go out and try to get beds or anything unless they had so I
guess that's a chair and an a Yeah well oh yeah yeah so I don't I mean they had the funding for certain that but they didn't have enough right so that stopped everything but I don't know about funding for the rent part i mean that's
that's a beat up old ball field but you know to make it into a decent ball field it would be not cheap right you'd have to scrape it all off and put new dirt there yeah i think a lot of these projects too you get a certain kind of a juggling act between fundings and permissions and
things like that and sometimes you just get to a point where it's like oh it's not going to work yeah i'd also like to see population map of the area to say you know how many kids live i mean is everybody that goes to have to drive parking lot yeah well but expand parking
yeah and if it was part of the Lily thing then that would take care of soon they do their own thing but well I know we have a lot of subcommittees but is there anybody wants to champion this
particular project or should just put it on hold for now well if they're uninvolved they're need to need for us to worry about right well nothing if if we don't do anything then it's going to come back to us in a year and they'll be like "All
right now the building's worse what have you guys done to help us with the solution?" Maybe i mean what if I write the planning department a letter saying we believe it should
be preserved in some way or another yeah well I wouldn't I wouldn't vote for them you would i would vote for you writing letter i wouldn't vote for Save the Building oh but if my letter said Save the Building I bet you wouldn't vote i'm
just saying if if it came to that I'm not favor well you're already I like to see things that have a use what are we going to Who's going to use it what are they going to use it for so not just Well what if my letter old building let's don't tear down any old
buildings doesn't mean what if we say we would like we suggest that the city look into other options besides that yeah yeah i was almost going to say just do kind of take the same approach that we did with the dam and say like you know let's go through the process and
get public input if the general public is like hey we want to save the schoolhouse or or just do as you said you know we'd like you to look for other options right work it did didn't it it sure as it did i mean they they worked for the WS and a
very active paid director who was able to spend lots of time Yeah right pursuing it i mean I still I Well they've got a rec director of this in the city so I mean yeah and who doesn't seem
in favor of stating it she's not no I know she's not i apologize no of course not yeah but but I I'd encourage like I for me I'd encourage letters to continue to suggest the possibility of offering it
to someone who is willing i I don't know that we unless we come across something or put a lot of effort into it i don't know that we are going to find the the buyer or the taker you know it seemed like they want the building to move you know I'm not opposed to the move was
moved there in the first place right i'm not opposed to moving it somewhere but it's not sell it for a dollar so so for me for a dollar to someone's solution and like market it is like the way forward yeah that seems
to be the way there's also one other option they could actually just persuade us that demolition is the right thing to do which they're not doing they're just saying we want a demolition okay you want that convince us even so that's an option
I'm I'm not feeling very convinced at this point right but there there I I assume there is something a person could come into this room and say to us that would have us go oh okay yeah sure so they have that option they did make the argument Terry that it hasn't been used
for 25 years it's falling apart nobody cares about it we don't have any money blah blah blah i mean yeah the debate industry but that's also kind of not an argument that's kind of a that that's not they're not coming saying we
have this use we want to put it to well right which is like wanting to build a building or something you know which someone could come up with a good enough use someone could come up and say "Hey we want to build stage coach track you know or no Christie said we need the
land for a playground and improve part of school and fixing up the play the ball field." So I think she does have before you go i thought you were good to go i just push back okay
send it around and Oh I have a quick question um yeah so she came in she did this pro and we clearly don't feel that's justification to go in and tear this thing down right well we approved it for Jeremy
approved me didn't you yeah i mean we felt cornered because they said "Oh we put this out to bid the hazmat removal is coming in and we're demolishing league is going to be this summer and then and so we said "Oh well that
doesn't sound good but we're not going to go to bad for this one little bit." And uh with no funding and then it they had a second life because they didn't have enough money but it has
been so So now we have to Yeah second look at it right no okay no I I just wasn't clear on this and I'm just wondering I don't want to word it though but we could draft it i just feel like something along those lines needs to be
addressed here okay that you know we kind of were on board but now you're not and so what's going on with that yeah we were on board with a finished project that you had funded that you were going forward with we were on board with that
even though she didn't send she didn't show us right updated softball field or playground or it was kind of all air so just noodling all right i'll I'll draft something and then we can talk about it next next
month okay new business uh we had a very productive meeting with Mark Snow and um Sarah as he wrote up notes and part
of it was to get um a second commissioner to look at demolition requests because that had been a process I had forgotten had been and but John just took it over as one person and uh
you know I mean because It's not a lot of demolition usually i said it was like one or two a month so you want a demolition person no I want another set of eyes to look things the
the original fun but well not I mean we're not under Terry i guess there was the the chair would respond to the emails but there was two people that the draft of the application could go out to to stop bottlenecks
so the commission was talking about it at all times and then John didn't take that over and didn't share that responsibility and so Margot and I were kind of like what do you mean there's supposed to be two people and they dropped the book on us boom you guys wrote this book this is you know this is
your rodeo and we're like so now we are trying to get back to where we should be right and I believe that Jeremy has very kind of allowed him to be that same person yep so you you guys are going to
share that and then and then we we decide what comes is there an official So you like the first line of defense what what come because I mean like we don't not every single thing needs to come to the whole No we decide most don't you should have seen the garage
yeah if we think that it's like this should go to the commission then we either used to go with with Oh yeah peter used Peter and John used to go but I wanted to crush I'm sure the next thing was Yeah
and Peter would go to see if we could Oh I I should probably be on that yeah no my truck okay so Jeremy does yeah yeah if it's too much but anyway okay so second item was review of our two subcommittees were
actually there was not I'd like to add on to that from the meeting okay there was uh he talked about how most demolition requests come as part of the standard bill and permit process but there is also a second backup application that people can use to apply
directly with the historical commission for a demolition review and it is on the city website you go to governments okay go to oh god departments look it down i'm like where my notes under building
inspections yeah all the way down to whoop application and permit guides and under demolition applications and guides there's actually a demolition delay review application which is
designed for people to come direct to us so that link should be under our under our heading and if I'm not mistaken as part of this conversation we will see because Aaron did quite a bit of work
you really do the uh Historical Commission's website which by the way we should always thinking about what we put on there now because he's going to update our stuff good look at that he did a great job and now we can actually take a take like he's
this he lists macros he was project come from like who or he found it somewhere look see yeah there is yeah second demolition for me to do that's that's it oh we should have
a link to that you're probably right should be a link there to that application well maybe chapter 241 no no it needs a link to that particular application you would make it simple but yes so that said one of the things
that I brought up there Eric was that we as a historical commission one of our responsibilities has been educating right and we haven't really had an opportunity to really do that we've kind of been reactionary and so this I think was his idea as a good way to start first good point good point
all right but you know people should read this to make sure we agree yeah see as my project proponents are encouraged to contact the commission if their question that might be all right
so I don't see uh anything under this is it just links directly to the demonition yeah or yeah yeah then under attachments there's the flowchart I wonder if under attachments we could put uh the application too just put it as many
spots as we can sure just so it's you know goes oh I didn't know I was there like four times and this is this is where he's updated all of our dates as well just in case anybody's coming up mr abby yeah this
year and uh that's why he's asking for all the extra minutes he's on top of it he's on top of it he's noticing that we don't have a lot of minutes but he's still saying he's missing those minutes okay i'll I can I can actually have the dates written down if you want okay please yes if you email
to me I I I'll fill them in best I can yeah for sure so I would encourage us getting an alternate sometimes people can't come and it's good to learn the ropes before you're actually an official commissioner
so if you I'm pressing that said uh in the spirit of this kind of thing I am also looking there are the other historical commissions around the state and around the country have uh documentation about their own history their guidelines and their uh preferred procedures and that kind of stuff and I thought it'd be cool to have like a
little handbook so I started working on that for future commissioners because I came in was like what's happening and that's just something that I don't want because once like senior leadership comes and goes that's one of the things that I found out most about this meeting
was that even we are not immune from knowledge decay oh sure so if we can if we can preserve the knowledge for sure and that's the thing there is no history to my speech yeah if we don't know our own history we
can't really add in the best interest i lost some stuff today I'm pretty sure did you look at the stock market too hard okay so so glad we're uh we've got this a little more robust and that it it is kind of
funny i think Mark feels like he's not sure he's only seen one demolition delay application ever done and that was the Brookbrook church just that just happened so it isn't actually clear
which mechanism people use standardly it sounds like standardly they go through the the state the the town or state mechanism traditionally because they probably don't even know this is an option right so that but he should tell them actually so which is so
which leads to this other project that Sarah's working on which is to have a spreadsheet that has all the historic inventory properties and forms spreadsheet but I have images of the
spreadsheet so this um I put the comments here for Aaron but this is the two this is what the top of it will look like these two bars here scroll down with everyone and it's got all the information that Eric requested on the side here under categories and the
property name street name whether it's been demolished i put Cole Burke Baptist Church is a yes uh the links to the direct pages uh the districts will also have their own summaries and their old names as well uh and it's basically it's intended to read left or right uh where
is it what is it what's its historical context where else can I find information about it and things like the National Historic Register uh things like that there's going to be an explan explanatory tab why did we do this who is it built by um what is the goal how
often should it be reviewed uh all kinds of information that will keep up to dates because Eric was going to see if we could put this data into the assessor's whatever they use to into GIS but they cannot so this spreadsheet will
be the all-encompassing tool that we do which is not ideal but for now is what we're working with this is generated by the GIS system they can't Yeah and so and I'm wondering if we could like add a column for like a town owned property because I think that's where started a
list of that and have a list of ones that were added on in this last year so got a lot of work you know great what's going on here any building that's on MACIS or like what qualified
the building to go in this list this list right now you can see here these are the ones that are specifically listed in districts so this is in GRE EA Main Street Historic District this is GRE B uh I believe High Street historic district uh and then I've got there's A
B C all the way down through Z and then there's AA and AB and then there's like 150 individual buildings anything that's in there's quite a few there's there's a ton so it's not it's not just buildings that are on the national registered
district it's anything that's in that yeah okay yeah so this right now which is kind of double duty i mean in a way you're repeating what Madress does a little bit but this will be for the town and it'll be you can have a reference
this is more usable yes theoretically this is for Eric and the rest of the town to use so that the other departments like the fire department have something to look at and just go oh that building is historic we should contact the historic commission or the league soft
so how does it say NR where where is that designations are way in the back and the right so it's on the national register yes it's NRIS or it's NR those are uh I actually haven't gone into that yet that
is directly from MACRIS right so MAC the inventory will literally say it'll have these designations listed out and it's got it does have definitions but I haven't added all that yet i've just been going through the raw data right well I hate to say this but there's an important
feature in each district whether a building is contributing or not contributing i have got that far but I have I can't that's easy to fix getting back to to doubling up on work that someone else has done and I I used
to work with GIS maps a lot and one of the things that I learned the hard way is that the more local information is the more accurate it's Yeah and there's a lot of statewide data that it comes and goes how accurate it is and
if you actually look at the source of it the locally sourced stuff is always way more accurate that's the big story might be an exception to that they are they're they're good
they're is hard to it's hard to use so it's not user friendly but it's good database that's the thing is most of what this is going to be is a quick reference database so I'm going to have a master sheet and then I'm going to separate each district into its own collection so
that you can say "Oh I want to look at this section of Main Street how many buildings are involved?" things like it'll this right now I'm just building it um so that's good feedback to have because I've only done I've only done through districts A B and C so far and this is the third i didn't
even say it because you're going to have Oh no i don't mind it's not it's a huge spreadsheet there's only I've only gone through like 200 buildings so far it would be nice if they could just go to macros and type in the address and be
done with it and you wouldn't have to spend dozens and dozens of hours building this but if it's this unfortunately Yeah it's got Well the thing is is that has the property name the mattress information and information that the city can just
take every Yeah i mean they live and die of that assessment ID yeah and so that's what Mark means how do we know if it's city owned is that I have a list of city owned buildings right now I'm just compiling data and I
have to go back over it basically add more stuff i know okay all right so Sarah [Music] really great okay okay so we got a letter from NASA store regarding the Ammeris College paleontology study and
darn if I know what we're supposed to Why is that concern i'm not quite sure i read that well whatever it is isn't it like several million years before history well I mean archaeology is within the
Yeah preservation realm specifically the study of human and paleontology is several million years older than and it's got nothing to do with what we define as history well
it depends on whether they're disturbing something like Well yeah well and I just don't see them yeah MHC under agendas i assume 2026 will still
happen um okay wait a minute um here it is uh try meeting minutes what's the name of the file um 319 yep yep so Eversource is doing some work oh I
see and they are saying they're doing a line deconductoring project in Monagu and Greenfield oh weird and they've hired consultants that are [Music] to decide whether there's archaeological
they have to do that yeah anything that's got state funding well yeah archaeologist i mean it says it it could have effect on the GREB East Main High Street Historic
District but then it doesn't actually give you any Well it's going up through the uh Cabs pipeline which leads me to thinking this like up and over where uh Kell's Pasture is which if that's going to follow the power line it's going to affect up by
High Street where they uh the hiking trails are back there yeah I think that's what they're talking about right which is I believe there was a fort there there was who fort indigenous fort during the French war not that I know of there was a was a golf course there
there was a golf course there yeah so they are saying this letter advises Eversource to come to us to get our you know MHC advises the core
to seek the comments of interested tribal historic preservation officers and the green field and monu historic commissions mhc is interested to learn the views of interested and consulting parties so they haven't come to us we
don't know what they're doing yeah yeah are they just going to say does that even like are they like just the way that's are they required like make sure doesn't have an
archical impact that well the other possibility is I used to do this or a consulting charity um initially a project like that comes up and they they send archaeologists out there do just basically a survey um and it's at any
point when anything archaeological significance is found the absolute first option and best option is go around just avoid it and if they came across that stuff and have figured out a way they could avoid it they already exist
so you know that right away goes to the power plant on the on the on the river yeah so what are they looking at doing site like they're adding power statewide they just expanded corridor
just clear but I mean they may have said to Christopher D from Swim Chris Dant I know Chris I used to work with Well Terry why don't you call i can give
Chris a call welcome to the historical commission Terry and the first question is why are you talking to us at all why not i want hard to help no really you don't want to know too much information is bad
i mean the thing is I I'll be happy to call Chris but do I have a reason to they haven't approached us say MC wrote us a letter and do we need to walk up we need people we don't know anything about what it is in the East Main Street District that
you might be doing yeah so I think we need to understand myself yes i said this very briefly i don't have much to report because it's been crazy trying to get ready to have a baby in two weeks i probably won't do much in the next
no but Sarah and I did did meet and we put together a good spreadsheet of kind of the things that we're going to be looking at what we think the issues are and we have some examples of other ordinances we want to look at and so the
we have there has been steps towards progress made but I don't think we ever anything to report of substance i went and I printed out the draft and I went through all the things that I thought I would pull out and I was going to go and separately pull things in that I thought would be beneficial to replace that but
it is worth noting that uh Eric also did say that or season is not exclusive and that at any time at any time we can change an oround no it's not going to be like don't do this right now it's gonna be a fiveear thing so we can wait for the
baby we want the only thing yeah so we are done to make sure it's done right just set aside between 3 and 4 in the morning right really
well if we're having to work on this plane for a baby then we got delay like another three or four years of the baby my voice 18 gone like 19 years since I had a good night's sleep oh yeah uh I thought there was something
else it's a long enough meeting um any other items for the good of the cause uh was that the Anders College paleontologist said that was that they are going to do the and I'll call Chris and find out why
we're getting a letter stay on scene to bother to come talk to us why are we getting a letter at all i'll just give Chris call and see what's going on well and one of the things that people are worried about right now is because the river meanders all the time is it all all it it's
chopping away at campsites and stuff that used to be on the bank of the river now they're getting washed into the river and especially and like we have to stop that it's like good luck well it's okay to stop in Connecticut from Yes
yeah we spend millions and millions and millions of dollars every year to keep the Mississippi where it is that's right and you can't do that with the Connecticut no it takes an enormous amount of fun okay thank you i need a motion to
hear byation okay great and also acclamation terrific job sir oh yeah yes absolutely good to see you Doug thank you [Music]