Join me in the pledge. >> United States of America to the reps nationis. >> All right. Once again, good morning to everyone. Uh welcome welcome to the uh workshop G County EMS and G County TDC.
Uh Mr. Hammond. Morning, Mr. Chairman. Uh we've got two items on the agenda this morning. Uh we go with whichever one you want to go with first, EMS or TDC. >> We'll let ladies go first. Miss Williams.
>> Thank you. Um I just wanted to share a couple quick updates. I did provide you all a copy um of a presentation from our recent annual meeting just kind of recapping some of our efforts and accomplishments um from
the past year for tour development taxes. We finished the year up nearly three and a half% over last year collecting more than $4.9 million. So that's another um record year for Golf County. Um many of our neighboring destinations
are seeing slightly lower average failing rates and um even lower occupancy, but we've remained relatively um steady here. Um regarding short-term rental licenses,
that program is running as smoothly as it has um since it began. Excuse me. Um we have more than 1,200 properties documented within the system and about 1,60
licenses have been issued. Um those licenses run excuse me calendar year. So we have begun the process of um renewals for the 2026 season. So
sorry about that. Um, that's all that I have right now. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. >> All right. Thank you, mayor. Um, commissioners, any questions TDC for Miss Williams? >> Thank you. And thank you for having this. I had a several of them. And so, the the biggest
thing that I I was concerned about is I thought now would be the time. And thank you for having this workshop before we get into the next tour season. We're kind of winding this down. And I know our TDC does a good job of going year round. you have campaigns all year and that and and that's great. There were a lot of people in town this week for
Thanksgiving which is another good thing. um the short-term rentals and I know we got what one person and some are do you think what percentage do you think Sylvia just off the top of your head do you think that we're getting and
the ones that are not because they're they're playing cat and mouse with us and it's and it's hard to do some of them will use VBO they've got like seven platforms now don't they so like if you trying to find the people that are not turning in their bed tax um I I know for
a fact that there's a lot that are doing it. I know your people are trying to stay on it. Is there something that we have thought of that we can possibly do to increase this because basically it's a business. They are running a business through rentals. >> That's right.
>> And part of that business comes back to us because we have to do things, pay for things like our, you know, cleaning after them, law enforcement, TDC, I mean the uh EMS, we have to have these fees. So, we want to be fully funding when they come down here. What have you had
any thoughts about that? Other ways we can make sure that we're getting everybody. I know that the Ashley's done a great job since she's been in office trying to track down and help us with that. So, >> yes. And I know um Jason Kennedy is also spending some time uh you know trying to
track some of those down as well. And I think they've done a pretty decent job doing that. So, >> right. And I think the numbers have gone up. Is there anything we can do as a board or policy-wise is what I'm saying is do we need to look at anything
extra help or u I mean just just thoughts I mean and doesn't have to be solved today but I want to put it on everybody's radar because I know we're doing your home inspections now right which I I'm going to talk about in just a minute but >> we're starting to get them in for next year. >> I would say we're pretty close. When I
checked with the tax collector's office last, I think they had estimated around 1,800 or so properties that they're uh receiving bed taxes from and if we have, you know, 1,200 in the system, uh I think we're pretty close. Um obviously
the ones in the city, you know, don't have to have that license. So when you, you know, deduct those, I think we're doing a pretty good job. So >> and here in lies my question. in the city. Uh we have got to find some way of work with that because
Windmark is going to be probably the largest rental place we have in the south end. I know Cape has a lot of rentals, but these are right next to each other and so and they're probably 85% rentals and uh if we don't get a handle on that because we can someone
talk to that how we split that up, Michael? How do we split it up with the city or how that happens? Well, I I think the easiest thing would be to encourage them to have the same program that we do that require the inspections because how many did we add this year? Was it about 100 new new >> That's right.
>> units that we're inspecting and and that and that's basically enforcement that that that our folks went out and found the ones that weren't and encouraged in different ways and sent letters. So in order to to capture the ones in the city which are at least 600 and
maybe more than that but in in at least 600 maybe 700 and they're growing >> and growing and growing >> uh the ones that are breaking the rules one not paying taxes. So, just just for sake of argument, just to make the math easy, uh you get a $10,000 a week rental and
they don't charge the bed tax and the sales tax. That's 1,200 bucks that they're screwing the state and the county out of on every single rental. Now, not all of those windmark are 10,000 a week, but a lot of them at the kar. Uh it's it's unfair for the ones that are paying tax to the ones that
aren't, whether they're pocketing money or just not collecting it. But the other is we've got the the renters that don't know the rules. The renters who are having these false alarms in a lot of these units and whatnot have talked about that as part of a of another plan. Again, we can't enforce it in the city,
but but these false alarms are taxing our volunteer fire departments, our EMS, u law enforcement, uh you know, give them the first one, maybe give them the second one with a warning, but after that, these false alarms need to be charged. We need to encourage the city. one, it's
costing them money. Two, uh to to have a vacation rental program similar to we that we do. And again, we started this during COVID at the request of these renters uh and then it became a safety life safety uh and enforcement issue going forward.
>> So, so board members, I guess if we if we can get that workshop with the city, we have various things. I'd like to add this to that agenda because it's only it helps them. It makes them, you know, because they get a share of the TDC money as well. And then we can show them
as we work through this uh this home inspections, which I want to talk about in just a minute, it'll help them as well, but especially with the fire alarm stuff. Um, so I think that's the biggest thing going forward is is is if we can make sure that we're getting if if you
have a rental in Gulf County, um, that that you're do you're going through the business process and you're paying what you know, your taxes, you should be. I think we're I think we're making great strides with that, but I just want to make sure we're going forward with that, especially if we have a time with a downturn or something. You know, we want
to make sure we're getting everything. So, that was one thing. Um, and I'm sorry this is if if you are it it's really I wanted to get this out before for next before next year. So, um, golf carts, we know the golf carts are a
problem. Um, and it's different down on this end of the county than I would say on the north end of county. We talked about some maybe some policies in the city of St. Joe. You have a a permit, a decal, and that and I talked with Chief Richards and it helps him because if you have that decal, they can say you're
parked in a wrong spot. I pull your dick out. Guess what? You lose your privileges. I don't know how we can do it. I was going to ask y'all, what do you think? Um I know in Beacon Hill there's some issues, but when you get to St. Joe Beach and all the way down to Windmark, they are parking sheriff on the wrong side of the road. Every time I
went on the weekends, there's five on the lefth hand side. And it's hard to Whose cart is that? It's a rental cart that was down there. We have no idea who it was. Uh I talked to Mr. Early because he rents a lot of things and he has his own stickers on his. He does a good job. He has to look at them face to face and
say, "Do I rent it to you? Do I not rent it to you? You got to come to him." We have some others that will online, they'll have 10 golf carts and they'll go up and down the beach and they'll drop them at a house. They don't even know who's getting them and they're taking a chance on it and then guess who gets them? We You could have kids
driving them and all that. So, some thoughts I think we need to do maybe between now and January or something like that is think about what we could do on the in the tourist corridor on the golf carts driving up and down. Phil, I know. Do y'all have that problem out there at the Cape?
>> We absolutely do. And and the problem we have, I hear it every day is is uh actually driving the golf carts on the Cape Road. and sheriff, I know he's well familiar with it, but >> uh and and we have a lot of I'll be I'll be honest, uh a lot of rental companies
and all this, they never tell them you can't do that. Now, now I know I talked to Phil early also. Phil Phil tells them you you cannot drive on that gate road, you know, and and uh because it I think it's it's a state road and and they're prohibited, but >> but uh but but it is a problem. It's
definitely a problem. And and it's not fair to like Phil because he's, you know, he if they don't, he says, "I've had five that I've watched." I say, "No, I'm not written it to you because I'm telling you, you can't do that." >> And they go right down the street, go online and get one. So, I I think that it's something that we need to look at.
So, if we could get some ideas for for them going into January, hopefully we can maybe uh Jeremy, I don't know what type of thing is it. Wouldn't it help you, Sheriff, if we had some kind of tagging situation or something like that? >> It might help. That's going to be hard
to deal with when you got people that are bringing them from out of state. >> Well, if you >> I got So, that's what I'm saying. But we can regulate that. That's that's on us. I mean, that's that's what I'm saying. Is there something we can come up with? So, because someone's going to get hurt bad. I mean, we've already had some
accidents. Uh, but it's not going to get better until, you know, if we don't do something. So, I guess, sheriff, we need when we have that meeting, we need to make sure somebody from your office is there to to to talk about the legalities of it. I think we need to make sure too that we interpret the rule, right? I
mean, how is the sheriff interpreting the rule? How is he going to enforce the rule, right? >> And then I think if if we do anything at all, we need to make sure that we incorporate his interpretation and for our enforcement.
>> I know I know some new regulations far as the state came online this year. I think sheriff, you want to speak to that far as >> it's the age. >> What is the age now? Um, >> it's it's you got to have a license and be a certain >> So you or or a learner's permit. You got to if you have that, you got to have a
>> Yeah, that's helping a little bit for us. >> How about insurance? Now, I know you used to you didn't have you you didn't have to have any insurance on a golf cart. >> I don't think you still do. >> You don't >> if you if you get on the road and drive it on like 98 versus 35. >> You got to have a tag.
>> Let me ask you this. I know at Mexico Beach they've got the low speed vehicle. Some of those are running up and down. >> Is that legal in G County? I've I've seen >> No, that's not. >> That's what I'm saying. I've seen >> this 45 mph. >> I've seen some of those people put a tag on these and they're running through. Is
it >> It can be legal there because it's 45 mph zone over there. They can they can run it over there. But ours, excuse me, vice versa. Ours is 45 and you can't have a a low speed vehicle. Yeah. On on a 45 mph. we want to drop ours 35,
they'd come on over. But I think that ride to Panama's long enough. So >> Oh, no. I agree. I'm not for that because uh I think the problem we're running into also is not so much in our area, but their licensing or putting tags on these
uh that that golf cart is required to go that 35 and and these golf carts they're putting tags on barely do 20 25 miles an hour. So, >> so if we come up with something, do you think the TDC could be the the center
point where uh and it's not that we want to make money on these decals? That's not it. It's it's a safety issue and a and basically ability to track. So, if you're a business and you go out and buy those 10 Gulf County tags to put on your 10 rental carts, if the sheriff comes by
and sees one illegally parked or going down the road with wrong people in it, guess what? you lose your privileges and if it's a a So that's that was my fault is is that maybe we go to this type of thing. Uh I know in the city is who's got a is anybody here got a city cart? >> Jeremy does.
>> Jeremy did you had to go get it registered? >> They got to come look at it. >> They come out and look at it. >> There's an inspection form. It's one page. It takes about five minutes. You pay a nominal amount. You get the sticker. You sign an affidavit that you're going to comply with the ordinance. And then uh you move forward
and the sticker stays on the cart. that like to your point, the city then knows who's own owns it, who's responsible for it, and who's accepting responsibility for its location, its upkeep, and obviously you're abiding by. You can't put on the state roads. You got to stay off it. You got to So, I mean, there's
just basic structure to what you're able to do and not do. And at least it keeps an account of what's out there. So, um I can come up with some language. >> We had an ordinance says if you don't have a sticker in the corridor, now I'm not talking about above, >> you know, I'm just talking about the tourist corridor down here. I'm not talking about the white cities and the
high. I'm not that's not the it's just down here on this in this beach area where we have so many rentals. So, >> uh maybe we could look at something before in January on that board. Just some ideas if y'all have any. >> We need to be very very careful. I don't want to go against what you're saying, Commissioner, but I I just think we need
to be very careful. We've got a record record year. Our not I don't want to say our sales, but Sylvia's sales if if you will, are trending up every year. and we make this more difficult for people coming in for a week and they have to take half a day to get to to register
their golf cart. I just don't want to deter those folks when they can go to Ben City Beach and drive their golf cart all they want to. You know, I think we have to be very careful with that because I don't want to lose lose money on the on the the income that we're getting from from that. And two, one
thing I did want to say too, commissioner, is is the fact that one thing would solve all of these problems, and that's the Back Beach Road. >> That's the G Coast Parkway. So, if we could put our put our efforts towards that, that might be something we could
we could do, too. >> That's um I guess I guess that was that was the thing. And like a lot of them now when if you go on the VBOS's I know your guy that sees it all the time when they do it says sleeps six sleeps eight and comes with a golf cart. So those are
people that those are fine. You get your one time decal and it's good no problem because a lot of them are putting in their rentals as well as part of their rental package that they have. uh commissioner if we could at a later date I'd love you know after the first year I've even field said he'd like to be involved on a meeting or
>> he's in he was gonna be here but he's in Tallahass >> on a workshop if we could >> okay >> I think only be fair for those rental companies to be involved >> absolutely >> and u I think that would help us but >> and include the sheriff tell us what >> y >> so so going forward too and this might
be a retreat topic uh we need to be careful to separate the beach driving from the regular driving, which >> we can figure that out. But I got a picture last night. Some idiot is is breaking the rules again. Selenus Park. There were like half a dozen or maybe
more uh parked. So >> if they're still there this morning going to get towed, >> but at the end of the day, we've got some bad actors. You know, Phil's been a good actor, been here the whole time. We're not having a problem with them. But we've got these fly by nights that aren't that just popped up. >> And and again, they're breaking the
rules. They're breaking the rules in the city, too. kids are driving. They're driving down 71. They're driving erratically. They they g somebody's gonna get killed uh with some of these. But while we're talking about the the whole permitting process, let's go ahead and talk about prohibiting them if and
when hopefully when we get the Egglund beach back open. Uh that's again, they're turning their kids out to to run wild down there and and they're going to screw up everybody else's opportunity to have that beach open. So we probably open to keg of worms, but but there's a
lot of things that we can do. Just like Commissioner Husman just said, we get the back beach road, we drop the front beach road to 35. That solves the vast majority of that issue, lower speed and and whatnot. But yeah, there even though they're we're getting the talking about getting the permits and knowing who they
are, they're letting the kids drive and they're breaking the rules everywhere and and and I can tell you it's just as bad in the city of St. Joe as it is anywhere else with kids driving. It's just a matter of time till somebody gets splattered, you know. >> I have a question if you don't mind. Um,
so instead of instead of making a registration, a weekly registration, Sylvia, is there a way that we could include or make an ordinance that could whenever these people sign up to get here for a week, could they could our
rules be in that contract? Can we get the the rental companies and ask them to include that and make make them in include that if it's a VBO or Airbnb, each one of those individuals that owns that would be responsible for for that
versus having to I mean the LA I just think the last thing you want to do when you get here is go register your golf cart. >> Yeah. >> You know, I mean, I'm just trying to find a way around that. I don't I'm not saying we don't need rules, but at the same time, we don't want to make this thing so negative. Um and it could be
spun in a negative way that we don't want our tourists coming here for on a weekly basis. >> It could be an online something where they could they just just some way and it's like I said it's not for even the money thing or anything like that. It's just for accountability. So when we see
someone doing something, the sheriff pulls them over or whatever, we that happens, we know know who it is. >> And it's not so when the you got like four sets of people. You got the people who rent them and do a good job. You got the people who rent them and don't care where they're carrying them. Then you
got the houses who people who are rent have a rental house that give give you the ability to do that, which you could track that easily. >> And then you have the people that are coming down with them. I don't know how many people are pulling them. Most people are pulling boats. I don't see a I've seen a couple of carts come down. I may have missed a you know I don't know
the number of that and maybe we need to watch that a little bit. See how many people are bringing So I'm coming from Alabama coming week. How many am I pulling my golf cart or am I pulling my boat? So that's those would be the ones that that you're talking about. They'd have to do it online so that instead of going in. Yeah, >> absolutely. I think what we probably
need is some kind of mechanism because right now if if we get to a um uh a vehicle or a golf cart, there's no way to determine if it's just parked there where it's not supposed to be, no way to determine who it is. We got to have some kind of ability to ticket that that
thing or put a boot on it or if we get that >> I said boot I thought boot too as well. >> Whatever. But like right now even with a with a vehicle, we don't have the mechanism to ticket a vehicle like they do in Tallahassee or the cities or or even here. We've got to work on getting some kind of a ordinance where we can
ticket the vehicle without the person being there. But we've just been at the mercy of sitting there in a car. We've hit our our siren a few times and if they're stupid enough to come up there, we write them a ticket. So, um but uh that that's been >> Sheriff, you better have a hundred boots
that first. >> Well, >> I don't want to mess with it either. >> And one of the areas is is is it doesn't make sense. So, the new Windmark condos there, okay? It's a road that makes a corner down there. Why would you need a golf cart? You can walk. It's 150 yards,
200 yards down there. You can't cross 98. So, why do you have a golf cart? Well, they guess what they're doing. They're going right across the street. There's You've seen them down there. They're right there at that corner. They go get the golf cart, go right across the street. I don't think anybody's telling them. We might put a sign there and say, "Look, golf carts aren't allowed to cross 98." So, I don't that's
just something that has been a ongoing issue. >> Mr. Sarah, go ahead. You want to add something? >> So, I I would just say this. So, I was the police chief for the city when they put their current golf cart ordinance in place. They had a panel of people. Mr. Phil Early was on that. They talked
about requiring insurance. Uh, you know, when you when you put this ordinance together, and that's what the sheriff needs to be able to have some teeth to do something. Um, you need you need to consider low-speed vehicles and golf carts. There's a difference. I live in
St. Joe Beach. where their the city's ordinance is much stricter than our current ordinance. So, you need to think about that. There's 10 year old kids driving golf carts. Part of the reason for that process to get that permit is to make sure that golf cart's safe, that it's got tail lights, blinkers,
headlights, because there are kids in St. Joe Beach driving golf carts that they brought from wherever with no lights on them all hours of the night. So, consider that, too. I mean, it's a safety issue. That's a deputy Somebody at TDC is laying eyes on that golf cart
and it meets the requirements of your ordinance. Just food for thought. >> Thanks, sir. >> Okay, we'll be that for another the the sign up forms. I want to make sure we get that on the uh when he does his home inspections. So, we've got
elevators down there now and we've had a lot of calls and we can't find the elevator keys. Okay. So, they call the fire station out, the renters down there. We have no idea. can't get to a hold of anyone and these people are on an elevator freaking out. So, I guess
Mark, is there some way we can put that on their home inspections that um you know that there's a that it's very easy to find that it's located? Whoever's coming there when the fire department comes there, we know where the elevator key is and where the panel
box is. And it could be in writing somewhere. I we don't care about that. But we need to be able to find that because those houses that have gone in and and in that area down there on the beach, they're most of them have elevators now. And every one of them has a different key. I mean, so it's it's
hard for us to fumble through the 50 different sets that we have to find the right key. If they would just have it their marked, say keys here and all that, that would that would help a lot. Um if on the on their inspections. So, let's let's talk about that because
I think Jeremy's had some input. >> I like the idea now I've heard about the liability issue, but I like the idea of making them have the key in the panel box in the inside panel box taped to the deal or in a in a side whatever that that would be a
central location. Did you think there's liability on that or what's the situation? >> I mean, the answer is there's liability in everything. All carts, elevators, anything. So if somebody wants to sue the county or the owner, they're going to do it. I think it's just us taking the >> turn turn your microphone on.
>> I think it's us just taking the required steps to make it easy for us to administer the STR inspection each year. So, you know, if there's a basic way that we can go about that and introduce it and then obviously evolve the the requirements for Mark to put on the checklist and us to know where it is, you know, for us to be able to respond
for the fire department's emergency response. Um, like I said, just to going back, I can take a stab at the U golf cart. I'll I'll work with the sheriff over the holidays and we come back to you in January, give you guys some language to consider with regards to this and the inspection list. Um, like I
said, there's liability with everything. Um, and you're going to have it with that. I just I think it's the the ease of an administration for us to do the inspections to be able to get in there and respond. So, it's one thing to require it, which they all need then know to know, and I think that would eliminate a large percentage of the
problems that we're having. And then um and then obviously doing it each year. So I I would say that or some modification of what Michael's talking about would be the right way to approach that. >> And and it's not really the homeowners. The homeowners know where their key is. >> You know what I mean? It's it's the rental companies that then we can't get
it. Which brings my last point on our inspection point. It's almost like we have got to have a point a person that we can call if there's a problem. Okay. So there were fire alarms going off on using the thing. The fire alarms going off in this case. They happened to have a rental company and that rental company
responded quickly. Put the family in another spot. So, it worked on that one. Then the next one went and the people were in uh somewhere up north. Uh their Ring camera wasn't working and all this kind of stuff and a fire alarm was going off and they were not right around
someone. And we're not going to break a door down. All we can say is is your fire alarm's going off. But we don't even know who to tell that to. So all the neighbors are looking at you like what are you you're not doing anything? Well, no, we don't know who to call. So, I guess on that form is do we have a way
to say in a case of emergency or this, who do we call? Who's the point of contact? And Matt, where's Matt? Did he Matt? What do you think? I know dispatch is going dispatch calls you out and they say can't get a hold of anybody. I mean, talk to us about that a
little bit. I mean, I know they they're having that. Sheriff, do you get that to on your dispatch that you you're always getting a a call back when you >> Yeah. There I mean no one to find, >> right? Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> If there's a way to capture that information, then
>> dispatch could call them wherever they're at and say, "Hey, you got a fire alarm going off." I don't know if there's anything they could do about it, but then >> Okay. I I I guess what I'm saying is that we need if you're gonna have a business, we can tell them this is part
of being having business, right? So, if you're having a business down here, please give us who you're doing. If you're going to the rental company, we're good. That's fine. But if you're doing it through VBO and you're taking care of that and you're paying John to put your garbage can out for you once a week, is John the contact? >> Yeah.
>> This is an entrepreneurship for somebody. If it was me, I' I'd be the first one saying, "Okay, I'll do it. I'll be your person for $20 a month." I mean, I'm not trying to create jobs that way, but that's a good thing. But if they're having a business, if they're making money, we need to be able to say, "Hey, who are you?" Just we want to know
who it is. Who's that local point of contact? >> Yeah. So, I in January, I think we need to think about that as well. Just we've had a lot of that. I mean, you know that as well as I do. Uh dispatches come out, we can't get a hold of a key holder, and we're sitting out there with the alarm blaring, and all the neighbors are
going, "What are you going to do about it?" We're not knocking a door down, you know. So, Um, Randy Randy, let me say this. >> Yes, sir. >> And I don't know if it's I know with the pest control service, like when I work with Charlie, his pest control service,
it had a code for that pest control service. Every house you went to, you put that code in, you was able to get in. Is that something that might would work or I mean >> it would be great if we could require that because that we could have a code
then. But >> I think what we're we're talking about here is the rental the people with a rental company >> have all the have almost all the answers. >> They have it. Yes. >> It's the few that Sylvia has left or the ones that are not using that Sylvia can't find or can't track down or
they're doing the VBO on their own. So you're so these p these renters are paying the people directly. They might be in Wisconsin >> and they're paying them directly through their own PayPal or service, whatever they have, and there's no way for
emergency to get a hold of them directly. And so that's why it so as we capture them and we do inspections, we need to make sure that is and you're exact spot on. That's the ones that are you're talking about doing the codes. I guarantee they're probably most of them are rental companies or they're doing it
and and they're paying Sylvia and all that kind of stuff. So, those are the ones that were not. It's the ones that are going through these other channels and they got a fire alarm system and they're not telling anybody about it because they're skirting the system. They don't want people to know it until
>> that's our the licensing portal has all of the contact information. So, if they have a short-term rental license, then you know we have that information. But you're right, it's the ones that don't that So the problem becomes this because we can't give passwords to everybody's
house out that too many people and that you talk about a liability. We'd have something bad somebody be stealing somewhere bad apple. But what we could do is this and it's that we could find the heck out of them if if we can't get up with somebody when they have the fire alarm and get the thing shut off and
it's disturbing the community. They need to get a a good fine. The other thing is the TDC's got that information but the fire departments don't. Right. So we that that information is going to have to be stored in the dispatches in both the sheriff's office and the and the uh the county dispatch. That's I think
that's the only way that you know this address they can pull it up out of the website either on the computer or on a master book that says yeah this is the contact and if they can't get up to contact they get a fine that will help people follow the rules >> and and it's this is growing pains of
becoming tourism. We didn't have this >> this whole thing. We didn't have this what five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 years ago. We didn't have all this technology till 2012. >> Yeah. 2012 was the first elevator. And now a lot of them are doing it because that got rebuilt. So I guess we're not
trying to be cut our tourism and all that. We're just trying to make it work. That's a safe environment that we can do our jobs when when this this is and that you know that hey, if you're doing a business, work with us on it. I guess that's my thing on that. I didn't ask Matt because I knew we we had 60s
something the last time I heard of false alarms. We got any idea how many false alarms we've had in the last 12 months? Most of which were in Winmark city side. >> So So I don't know when we pulled the first six month stats we had 60 something and literally I think and I'm
making this up somewhat but I think 10 or 12 were county alarms. >> Most of them in windmark phase two. So that's averaging about 10 a month. that that gets annoying for volunteer firemen to get up two or three o'clock in the morning to go to a false alarm. And that again, that's something that we we want
to cut down on. And then if you're renting a place for a lot of money and get woke up at 2 o'clock in the morning because the neighbors is going off, we can't shut it off. That's that's a problem, too. >> A lot of those too are the red dot systems. I think it's might maybe more of a system issue
>> than a personal issue. >> Live it. Yeah, >> Mark, >> Mr. Hammond had said something a while ago about there had been a hundred that we found that weren't previously paying that that number is actually close to
200. So, so since the summertime when we actually the way that this works when they do their when they sign up for their inspection, we hit it hard from now till March or April. It's it's solid every day hitting 2030 a house or 2030 a
day to get them inspected. After that, they trickle in. People start coming in and we have to do something on the weekends or whatever. Once it slowed down in the summer, we started looking and I'm talking about some investigative work on and and the guy that does inspections, he's out and about every day. So, you
got a house that doesn't have a a sign on it, but you start seeing different tags there. He started paying attention. He found I mean 200 that had not been signed up before got signed up this year. That's huge. >> It's a lot of work that he did to do that.
>> That's back to the key thing. We can definitely talk about that. We have been bouncing that around of how to handle that specifically. Don't know, but we do know that it is a problem. But just know that that the guy that's doing it, he's doing it by himself. It's
a oneman show that he's doing, but he has found a ton of these that hadn't been this year. So, we're narrowing the gap to the people that are actually do not paid. >> Appreciate I guess too, Mark. And absolutely, he's doing a great job. Don't get me wrong,
he's 200 I knew was a bunch. And that's when our our city partners, they need to come in, especially down here where we are. They need to partner up with us because the TD, they get a share of the TDC money. And there's their inspections. I don't know why they wouldn't want to our guy and their guy kind of tag team some of these things,
you know what I mean? And say, because a lot of times they'll get a call, well, they're in the city. Well, I can call Joe and Joe's going to go look at them. You know what I mean? Because a lot of times he gets word of mouth, right? People call said, "Did you know that they'd rent their house next door?" I he gets a lot of that. So, that's all I had. And but I do want
to say your numbers are up because we're doing a great job. The ladies and the guys are doing a great job. First time I've had I had four or five emails talking about uh the cleanliness of the bathrooms. I did a screenshot said this is a first for me since I've been in office. I'd been here with a year, but I
said that's awesome. So, y'all are really stepping it up and getting the guys out there. So, >> good. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, Miss Williams. Commissioner, y'all got anything else for Miss Williams? All right. All right. Mr. Jod, you have the floor, sir.
>> Good morning, commissioners. Um, what we did was we put together a PowerPoint for you. Um, we really sure how much knowledge you had of exactly what we actually did behind the scenes. So, we kind of put this all together. So, if you have any questions about anything as
I go through it, um, feel free to stop me and ask me about it. I'm going to kind of move along pretty quick cuz there there was more slides than what I actually thought. But um again, if you have any questions about anything, some of it very good information, some of it's just more pictures and that sort of
stuff. So, um the first slide that I want to really get to is slide uh four, which this right here is just overview of what we're going to go through, and I'll skip it. This one is are some of our ambulances.
The next few slides are going to be that. This is a one of our newer ones. That's actually the newest ambulance we got right there. That's on the north end of the county. Um you have pictures of all of these. The main thing I want you to keep in mind uh is the mileage there.
Um that one's already got over 100,000 miles and we we just got it in 2023. It's on the north end of the county. These are some of the older ones. Um, that's we use those for backup trucks. They got over 200,000 miles. And we did this mileage too back in September when
we were going to have the workshop originally. So there's actually more miles on these trucks now than what what's actually showing here. So >> So in in essence, Jody, you're driving these these ambulances are driving 50,000 miles a year. >> Yes, sir. Every bit. Okay.
>> Um, this is our captain supervisor truck. We was received this from core and helps money um which is some federal funds that we got and state funds that we actually got here a few years ago. We just got it this past year and this is what our supervisor rides on when we
have a supervisor which we have three days a week for the first 12 hours of each day. So 12 12 hours on Friday, 12 hours on Saturday, and 12 hours on Sunday. This is what he's riding around in. And um it's a it's a very nice asset for us, but it's you see it's basically
brand new. It's only got 5,000 miles on it. Uh those are the two utility vehicles that you guys purchased for us back in 2023 or 24. Um they're 23 models. These are what you see at the ball games and all of our special events such as the
Tupelo Festival or any type of big event that we have at the the Centennial Celebration when we had it. They really come in handy on football nights. Um for us to be able to get out there and get them. They're they're very nice. Um the staff loves them. It it just makes our job so much easier to have something like this.
Um the maintenance on these, we done just a ballpark figure on that. And it looks like last year we spent $25,000 on just parts for for these trucks. That's not counting, you know, the labor fees and stuff like that, which we public
works does that for us at cost. But just parts alone was roughly $25,000. We didn't spend a whole lot of time on really nickeling and dimeing that. That was just a rough estimate. So, um, this one is
kind of a mind-boggling stat when you look at it. If you can see the numbers there, our ventilators are $12,000. Our life monitors almost $40,000. The stretchers are $25,000. the Lucas CPR device, which is a very nice piece of equipment we have in
there, $17,000. And then our IV pumps are almost $3,000. And what this picture doesn't show you is there's over 31 medications in the back of this truck. There's countless other things that's in here that cost a lot of money. But none of these toys are cheap,
obviously. I mean, that's the that's the I know I get odd looks every time we bring up a stretcher in here. Um, and but these are not the latest and the greatest. You know, we're not just getting all the
finest equipment. These these are very nice equipment. We can we can make do with this, but this new stretchers they have out there right now will cost you $60,000. Um, the new cardiac monitors, I think, $64,000. So, there's just the price of medical
stuff is crazy, but I just kind of put this with you guys so that you can um kind of see some of the cost of things that we we do have in the back of that truck. Just a small amounts of equipment. That's our north station. It's in
Weiwall. Um the it only has room for two people. Um that's one of the big things. I know we've always talked about adding trucks here and there and and adding personnel. Just keep in mind it's a very nice station. It does the job, but we can only house two people there. That's
all we only room we have. U that's our supply room on the north end. It's pretty well stacked wall to wall with equipment. So, we don't have a whole lot of room there either. This is the south station. It has four bunk rooms in it. Um, so right now if we
do have a storm or a special event to where the captain actually stays over for 24 hours instead of 12 hours, we run into a somebody catches a recliner in the day room and sleeps, you know, if if we make it through the night or whatever. So
just um again, it only accommodates the four personnel. It has three ambulance bays. We we park the two ambulances there and the the uh supervisor truck. And then that's just the supply room on the north end. It's actually the shed, one of the sheds out behind that building back there. We keep it in
there. It's climate controlled and we keep all of our equipment and stuff in there. Staffing. So, the way we run our staffing is uh we we are budgeted for 12 full-time people. It would take 18 to for me to cover and
you you're fixing to see that on the next couple slides, but it would take 18 people for me to be able to be fully staffed. and that's covering everybody with full-time positions. Um, right now we have five full-time
EMTs and about 16 part-timers and that's they're coming from other places, Bay County, Calhouning County, surrounding counties basically. They work full time there and we have 14 were very hard to come by. um they still
are, but they were a couple three years ago extremely difficult for us to be able to fill that seat. And we actually had a good one that was ready to come in full-time. So, we we we made that move instead of having six and six EMTs I could kind of get at will, but the paramedics I couldn't. So, it just made
more sense for us to get more paramedics and less EMTs and we could fill that with the part-time position. So um the captain again like I told you earlier we have three captains and that's included in those 12 hours. So that or those 12 personnel. So that's
not we don't have 12 people plus three captains. It's they're absorbed in that 12 count and they're on 24 hours a day. The issue is for me is that they're on the ambulance for 24 hours a day and they're not necessarily in that
supervisor truck that we have. So if we have a bad accident or we have something major going on um if you know for say I'm in this meeting right now or something along those lines and something does go on we have he may be on the ambulance but he may be halfway
to Bay Medical or on the wall at Bay Medical or something like that not able to deal with whatever we have dealing with. Um, so right now we're we're paying his position with TDC funds and they're staffed Friday, Saturday, and
Sunday for those first 12 hours of each day. And Friday nights gets a little different during ball season because we keep them a little bit later to try to cover for the ball games and stuff. Um, but that's essentially how that that operation works at this present time.
>> Jody, can you go back to two slides and then the next slide? Yep. Right there. >> So, on a given day, what kind of positions do how many people do you have staffing? >> We have six people daily. So, there's four on on the south end and two on on
the north end. We run three trucks daily. Um, so there's six six employees on. They're not all full-time, but there's six people on daily. >> So, that's what it takes to run. Yes. >> Under normal circumstances. >> Yes.
all of these other part-time what what if we're in an emergency situation? Are you going to have the part-time help or are they going to be at their other jobs? >> Well, that's where it gets very interesting is like on a hurricane for instance, most in emergency services, most places get mandatory wherever
you're full-time at. So, for us, we pretty much mandatory all of our full-timers. Now, we've been lucky here lately because it's only been a one-day event for for all practical purposes, and we were able to put butts and seats of ambulances and go from there. Where
you're going to get into the issue is when it's a multi-day event, a hurricane Michael or something along those lines. Then, we're going to run into issues. Now, we do have some part- timerrs that are available from time to time, and they'll tell you, "Hey, you know, I can I can
come in. Um, a lot of our part- timerrs have kids and that sort of stuff and if a Hurricane Michael's coming in and they're not on the ambulance, they're gonna go somewhere. Um, but it does run into issues every time we have a storm because we we typically do a schedule a
month in advance and we'll have a bunch of part- timerrs pencled in on that schedule. And so every time a tropical storm or anything comes up when when surrounding counties start making preparations for it, they start pulling in their staff. And so it opens up holes and we there's a lot of moving parts to
that but yes sir it does cause issues. All right the uh again we work 24 hours on 48 hours off. That's just a standard shift and a lot of places now are going to 24 or 48 96s.
Um we're we kind of like the 2448 to be honest with you. Most of my staff seems to be content with that. Um, so currently we're on a 2448 schedule. So they'll work 24 hours. They'll come on
at 8:00 on the north end or on the south end, whichever time zone they're in, and they'll work for 24 hours on average is what they typically do. Um, now again, we do do the 12-h hour shift to where that we have a most of the time a part-time medic comes in on Fridays and
he'll work for that first 12 hours or u Saturday or Sunday for the first 12 hours is typically how we handle that. All right, this is our schedule right here. This basically shows you how everybody's staffed with the captain. Um, and then the part-time paramedics, you'll see those on Friday, Saturday,
and Sunday. You got Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday where there's just the six people on. Um that's the south end and the north end um trucks kind of how they're noted out there by the side. The next next slide
shows you daily just it's the same thing. It's just broke down to Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday how that looks. All right. This is basically how it looks Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday with the part-time ones being in red. If you if you see
that, um, that's essentially kind of how those three days look. There's the whole month of part-time personnel when it that's basically what we have to work with each month to try to fill out. Um, so all those in red are part-time people.
And that's where things really get interesting for us is trying to that's a puzzle. Um, some some employees, part-time employees, they'll give you one day a month, two days a month. Some give you eight or 10 days a month. Um, you know, some months are better than
others. But where it really gets aggravating and and frustrating is like when you have those part- timerrs and it falls on Christmas Day, you can't get anybody to work. We had the issue this year where we had, I think, two or three open slots that just happened to fall on Christmas Day. and
and when when you got your availability, nobody signed up to work December the 25th. Um, so we had to make some phone calls and beg, steal, and borrow and we managed to fill the slots. But that's always holidays and stuff like that when you're dealing with the part-timers. There's I'll say it, there's not a lot
of lot of loyalty to you as a part-time personnel. I mean, they're they're they've got their benefits and stuff at their full-time job. They're here for one thing, and that's a paycheck. Um, and they kind of choose and pick the days that they want to work. Um, callins is a very difficult thing. And that's the one good thing about the captains is
when you have that captain like on a Friday or Saturday and you have somebody called out at five o'clock in the morning, they woke up sick or got a sick child and all that stuff. That happens to us too. Um, but the problem is is we can't really shut it down. We have to have somebody in the seat. And so the
luxury of having a captain is they kind of soften the blow to that to where they can pull down and get on that truck. If you have a medic call out or EMT if you can't put somebody there, there's a little bit of flexibility there for them to be able to to bump down and we're still covered. We don't we're not running a truck and a half at that
point. So this is our call volume by year. Um it's steadily increasing and this is this is not the full year. So this is only through I think the end of September when we when we pulled these stats. So you see each year from 2023 to
2024 the increase there and from up to 2025 we were already at 2800 calls almost 2900 calls for the year. Um that's a increase of 28.4% from 2023 to 2025.
Uh we're looking at probably last year we run over 3,400 calls and right now we're on status to to beat that again this year. Um these are our transport destinations. Basically this is broke down from from
month to month for you. So from scene to Sacred Heart, you see the numbers there and that averages we take about 45.4% 4% of our patients to Sacred Heart on the Gulf. Um, from scene to out of county is
54.6%. So, we take more of our patients from scene straight to out of county than we do to the local hospital. And again, I want to to kind of let everybody know that the number of calls is not really what's
hurting us. It's the timing and the low distance I guess would be the biggest hurdle is because our turnaround times on a out of county call if if I can run to the nursing home and pick them up and take them to Sacred Heart, you know, I I can get turned around 30 35 minutes. If
I'm picking up a nursing home and having to take them straight to Bay Medical, you know, now my turnaround time is going to be two and a half hours. And with three trucks, it don't take but two calls and now suddenly we're at status zero and don't have anybody. And so that's the big thing that that most
people don't understand is it's not necessarily the call volume number, it's the the distance that you have to work with there. Um transfers from Sacred Heart on the Gulf. There's our number of transfers.
Um again, it's all spelled out. So basically 24 or 25% of our calls are transfers each month out of that facility out there. And uh you can see the numbers there broke down um
80 or roughly 80% of the transports are to a higher level of care. So out of the hospital going over to Bay Medical or G Coast or somewhere of that nature um that's where that lies. I got a question, Jody. >> Yes, sir. >> So, why
so we got to do all the transports? Are we in a contract with them to do transports from there to Bay Medical or We're not in a contract and we, believe it or not, we don't do them all. There's actually other companies that do come in when we get overwhelmed with it or just can't get there because we're running
911 calls or something along those lines. um they they can call on some of the private companies out of Bay County um and they can come down and and pick them up and and transport them for us, but primarily we are the the primary
transport agency for them. Um and we do get pay separate pay for that, >> right? >> Or the non-emergency >> well for the emergency. >> Yeah, they're the non-emergency.
So, if we're doing a non-emergency transport, we try not to do very many of those. Um, most of the non-emergency ones are like back to the nursing homes or back to a home or residence or the primarily the the bulk of them back to the nursing
home or to the assisted living facility. Now, we did make a change on that October the 1st where we used to we would only we would only try to build the patients insurance. Um, and a lot of those were getting denied because these patients were able to get
up, walk to the stretcher, all that kind of stuff. And they, you know, yes, we hauled them to the hospital for being sick. They got treated and then released. And it's no different than if you, any of you went to the emergency room, we may haul you there on ambulance, but we're not going to come pick you up and take you back to the house. Well, a lot of the insurance
companies was denying us because it wasn't medically necessary for these patients to be taken back by ambulance. So we weren't making that on um but what we started doing was billing the facility just a flat rate. So as of October 1st we're now billing those
facilities a flat rate for all these takebacks because it's ultimately their responsibility to get their patients back to them. So all right um calls for service that's broke down north end south end. You can kind of see the the south end obviously
is a little bit busier. That's why we have the two trucks down here. Um, we'll go to the next one. On the north end, we have one ALS ambulance up there daily, the staff daily. The south end,
we have the two. But on on the north end, what makes that a little bit unique is is the ability for us to be able to pull up a backup crew. And that has kept us out of hot water uh a lot over the last couple years
because I had some very good dedicated staff that on their off days they have radios. They had them at home and on their off days when that north end truck goes out on a call and and they respond they're able to those backup the the crews that's listening at home. They
they two of those answer up a lot and come up there to the station and pull up another truck. So to where if we have another call on the north end of the county, um they're able to respond accordingly while that trucker is out of the county because I' I'd say 90% of the calls on the north end of the county go
out of to Panama or and and it doesn't really matter because it's it's only a few miles difference from the north end to Sacred Heart on the Gulf to the north end of Bay Medical. So they're out of pocket for over an hour each time they go. But that crew comes in, we pay them to come in and they they they hold down
the fort per se till the other crew can get back and they have kept me out of hot water more times than I can count over the last year. And and they're very good about even if I'm on the north end of the county sitting in the office and we have another another
call pop up there. Several of them very good about answering up coming up there jumping on the truck with me to make things work. So that's our saving grace right now. Um, unfortunately two of them, which I'm proud of them for doing it, but two of them is actually in paramedic school right now, and they're
two of probably the more dedicated ones that I had. Um, but now their schedule's just where they really can't do that anymore. I mean, they're they're at work for 24 hours, they leave work, go to school for 10 hours, then they got clinicals thrown in the mix, they got to come back the next day, got to go back
to school the next day, and then they're back at work the next day. So, the next year of their life is going to be in turmoil. um they're not going to be able to really do that a lot. So, we're trying to keep track of it this year to see just how many times we actually do have a backup crew available on the north end. That's something we really
didn't track in years past, but um hopefully we can survive the next year, you know, and not get ourselves in a bind there. South coverage again, we have two ALS coverage units down here and the captain is down on he's stationed down here
every day. Um, and it's pretty much just on until the weekends is when he can actually float around and do his captain duties. Special projects. Corn helps. I mentioned that earlier. That's just two programs. Core is pretty much a a
program to where when we go to um patients that have some sort of substance abuse, we can refer them. We partnered up with Pancare to where we have an a basically a little card in the back of the truck where we can use that QR code and and sign the these patients up to
actually get some help. Um there was a lot of funds that come with that we was able to purchase. That's where one of our ambulances come from. Again, that's where the supervisor truck come from. where I think I bought stretchers and cardiac monitors and a lot of that stuff with those funds that was funded by that. HELPS is another state funded
program and it's more for community parame medicine and essentially what we do is we we pretty much target the north end of the county with our helps program. Um and that's if we see an elderly person or somebody that just really doesn't have a lot of family members to kind of help them. Um, it's
essentially almost like a home health program to where we send a an employee in with them and maybe check their blood pressure once a day or once a week or something and and check on their medications and being sure everything's on the up and up there. And it essentially look for trip hazards in the
home and and try to keep keep them from calling 911 for something simple that just because they don't have a family member to kind of help take care of them. And so we've been trying to plug away at that for the last couple years. It's it's a slow process, but it it is seems to be working. All right.
Special projects. We do a lot of outreach throughout the community. Y'all probably see us around doing CPR classes and that sort of stuff. Next, parades and festivals. We are always out there um trying to get involved in those. Next, sporting events. Again, we mentioned
that with the sidebyesides. that really comes in handy there. Um and and we're actually mandated now to be at these football games. All right, recruitment. We're constantly trying to recruit and get in the high schools because we saw several years ago, I
think the best way for us to build to really build this thing is try to get inside the schools and build our own um from local people to and that has helped us a lot because we've able to get some local people involved just like the backup system on the north end of the county. You know, three four years ago
that was that was almost done with because we didn't have anybody to be able to respond. There was nobody local. all of our employees lived in Panama or lived in Calhoun County or lived somewhere else. Now we actually have those four or five employees that live in the city limits of wewall and they have those radios. So that's that's a
really big thing to where you know, god forbid we have a school bus turnover or something along those lines and we have to call people in in a hurry and kind of rally the troops. Um we have local people to help us because if they live in Panama, they're really no good to us at that point in time. It's in an
emergency situation. So, um, we do first responder training with all the fire departments. Um, we've done several of those classes. We try to put those on as a 40-hour class. And we also've done some extrication training, which extrication is kind of
um a really big thing in most especially in our world because it's it's a it's one of those things where you hope you never need it, but when you do it, you know, we're kind of elbow deep in it at that point in time. And so we we we kind of work with the fire departments there anytime they want training with
that. Um we got some really dedicated and and I got a lot of firemen that work in Panama City and Bay County and surrounding counties and and even in this county. So we're able to do that extrication training um with some guys that's got a lot of experience to be able to do that.
And um that's just a we we I wanted to bring this to your attention real fast is the landing zones. We don't fly a lot of people, but um we we do have designated landing zones across the county just in case something
happens. You may hear a little bit more of it on the radio just simply because we're trying to get the dispatchers feet wet in it as well as our guys feet wet in it to where if we do need it, we've kind of got it in our back pocket to utilize it. And so and and the only way we can do that is kind of practice it
before we don't want to get in the school bus situation and and suddenly nobody knows what to do in that situation. So we practice with these guys quite a bit. Um they come see us. There's one stationed in Calhoun County, there's one stationed in Crawfordville right now and uh we we don't utilize
them a ton, but they are an asset to us for we we can use them if we need to. um continuing education. Our guys train around the clock. Um we have a training shed over there and and they they
continuously train um to keep up on all of their searchs and all this stuff. This is a very re revolving door. Um but they do a a phenomenal job of keeping up on all their stuff. And that's pretty much it on that. >> I got a couple quick things after the
commissioners uh ask his questions. talk about problems. >> Anything for Joe? >> I'm gonna save mine till we to the regular meeting just to >> Okay. >> speed along the time for right now. >> I I do have a one more question. >> Jody, I got a call one night where I
guess York staff was there was they had a call and they had to go get somebody that was combative. What's y'all's policy on that? >> So, we do the best we can there. U we try to work with law enforcement. And a lot of times that turns in, you know, if
it's medical in nature, we try to transport them. If it's not medical in nature, we try to let the sheriff's office handle that as much as they can. Um, that's where things always kind of, you know, cuz it can put our staff in a sticky situation there. And so we try to
>> Well, well, I guess the biggest thing is and and their concern was they're they're not they're not trained to handle that type of situation. where the sheriff department is. So, >> what where where where are we at with with that? I mean I mean between the
sheriff and >> it's case by case and we work the best we can. There's sometimes we butt heads but we make it through it and we help each other out. is typically for us, you know, we try to we try to get them in the back of the if
if it's a a situation where we think there's going to be a problem, we we try to make the sheriff's office either ride with us. Um, now sometimes, like he said, there's there's issues there because a lot of times, you know, we get into a standoff. >> Your staff, they're not carrying chemical agents and they're not carrying
a taser. So, why are we putting our staff in jeopardy of putting someone in the back of the ambulance? And most time it's going to be, you know, a lady back there. >> So, is that something we need to look at or look closer at or
>> I I think Absolutely. I >> We're handling it, you know, for the most part. When you get to the point, we have to use chemical agents or have to use, you know, tasers. We're handling that. Okay. That that person's going to end up going to jail. But when we have something just combative, we don't have
a crime that's been committed and we're trying to get them some help one way or the other. It is better to get them in there. You've got the gurnie to to to time down to to get them under control to where you can administer meds and that's when they kick in. But I don't
think we've got a huge issue with accepting liability because I mean to a certain degree EMTs and paramedics do know how to handle a combative patient delicately. >> Yeah. But you're not certified for like
fourpoint restraints or psychiatric restraints around that. Are you? >> We can do restraints. We have soft restraints that we can put on them. Um, again, getting them on them is sometimes the issue. And and anytime we don't necessarily like to use >> can you knock them out?
>> I mean, with medication, >> I mean, sedate them. I sounds better. >> We can if it gets to that to that point. Um we do have um several medications that we can give them. Again, we try to to stay away from anytime we start putting
a medication in a individual. There's liability there. And and the medics, you know, are very cautious about the whatifs. If if you know, and they do it, don't get me wrong. Don't think for a second that they won't they won't jump on you and and stick something to you if
we need to. But we try not to get to that point. And and there's a lot of the I think a lot of the situations is it's it's you're flirting with okay is it medical or is it not medical and and and anybody can say altered mental status. Well, is he why is he altered? Is he altered
because he's on alcohol and and alcohol works? They want to fight. they don't, you know, if that's just what they want to do. And and he may be fine now, but a lot of these mental patients, they may be fine when they leave with law enforcement and then halfway through Tindle, which we've literally had them
say, "I want out." And we we're not going to keep them. I mean, if they tell us they want out, we're letting them out. And we had one jump out midway through or right at the end of Mexico Beach, he wanted out, we're not we don't get paid to wrestle with them. So, we we turn them loose. Well,
>> and that's Maybe that's something that we need to look at or y'all need to look at and tweak it and make it more safe for everybody. >> Right. >> I got a couple things, but do we want to know? Can we do we need to stop and then
come back and put it like under >> Yeah. Once we go once we go to the staff, we can come back to Jod and then >> Can we do I mean >> and then >> I know they got the captains here. They may want to >> Is that Do we want to end the workshop and come back? >> Totally up to you. We don't have a public hearing, do we? So, we don't have
to We're under no time constraint. >> Okay. >> So, yeah. Okay. >> Whatever you want to do. >> We'll come back to it. >> Yeah. If you don't mind, I like >> Yeah, we'll come back to it. >> We do have lunch later. >> We do have lunch later. We got breakfast right over there, too. >> Jody, your captain want to say anything? >> I think so.
>> A couple questions I got for them when whenever we get back or you want me to go now? It won't take that long. >> Mr. Chairman, why don't you all just uh call the nine o'clock to order. go into recess, bring your workshop, conclude it for the purposes of continuity and ask
also you stay with your statutory requirements that you noticed. We do have one hearing with regards to the u public notification. So just to stay with everything, why don't we call the 9:00 to order, recess, and then keep you on with your port workshop, sir. >> All right. So we go ahead on call to
9:00.