to to order if you would please join me in the pledge and then we'll get started States hi good morning to everyone welcome to the uh to the workshop uh we'll go ahead on and get right into it Mr Hammond good good morning Mr chairman Commissioners uh this is a followup uh
from our retreat in uh January the board wanted a uh workshop and an overview of where we are on the airport project and uh if Mr Jagger's here I'll let him introduce our consultants and uh I think they've got a slideshow yeah yeah yeah so we were able after the request from
the board for a update on where we're at with airport we were able to get CH down here that's your consultants for the airport and they've got a presentation to give you and uh with that I'll invite them up I think Paul you're going to start it off or Jose one and let them
introduce their themselves and uh get going with their presentation Commissioners good morning and certainly a pleasure to be here um my name is is Paul puley I'm a vice president with cha Consulting and we are very pleased to be a part of the Consulting team
uh to be doing the the proposed airport uh planning project so our our job here today is to run through a brief presentation just to give you an update of where things stand on the project itself and open up for any questions you may have at the end so the agenda that you see here
we're going to introduce the project team um when we started the project out with the Florida DOT they gave us um what their guide is to to airport um to to a new airport and it's basically the eight steps to building an airport and I'm gonna run through that real quickly so you understand what the fdot is
looking for and then in turn what the FAA is looking for which would make you with their approval fund uh eligible for funding assistance uh to move forward with the airport project talk about the project phases that we've been involved in so far um
the the involvement of the board and other entities you want to talk a little bit about the benefits of a general aviation airport since you you're you don't really you're not in the airport business we want to just want you to understand what an airport can do for for Community for Gulf County with
regard to economic benefits and and other services that the airport provides um including the uh we want to talk about the potential of an emergency Operation Center on the airport site we we going to go over the Airport layout just to give you an idea of um the land
area and what we're looking at with regard to the proposed development and then finally um we're going to talk a little bit about the entrance Road Project which is the project that's kicking off the airport because you need a road to get into the site to start the construction so we've started the design
of of a of a roadway into the airport site itself so the the Consulting team that's here today it's myself um and then I've got with me Jose Blanco who will be following uh myself in the presentation uh Fred ler is going to talk a little bit about the airport site and then Josh
Baxley with duberry is going to talk about the roadway project itself and so you can see on the right hand side here who our team is uh duberry is is a big part of our team doing a lot of the engineering work uh the ERC out of Panama City is doing the environmental
analysis um we've got a geotechnical um firm on board and also Florida Architects and so that's the team that's involved in taking it from square one all the way through to the design and construction phase of the program so the the eight steps and I'll
do this real quickly that the um fdot gave us and we've actually accomplished a number of these steps so far but we we have completed the feasibility study that you see in in um in number two we submitted it to fdot they have reviewed it they've given us some comments back
but uh it the you the the feeling we got from them during a a conference call was that they are supportive of the program and are are willing to continue to support it not only uh with um their review and approval but also from a funding standpoint and so that that's
good news to keep keep the project Rolling Along they they've been uh invested a good bit of money so far um we do need ultimately FAA and fdot approval the process the way that it works is the new airport needs to be in the in the Florida state Airport System
plan that's the first step and once it's uh entered into the Florida state system plan then the FAA will review the um review that portion of the program and included in the National plan of integrated airport systems which covers all airports uh in the US that are
eligible for federal funding assistance so that's the process we're going through to get it into the Florida state system plan and the national plan of airports um we have done an airport facil facility planning study you'll see the components of that with the site
selection and the environmental planning has already gone on so we're we're we really have um completed the first five steps of the program uh after that um we then then need to get in into the the action plan uh the environmental impact analysis which there will will be
required by certainly the FAA uh looking at any environmental impacts and having them addressed and then the airport design and construction so the project is moving along um we're we're well into it um and we we hope to continue to get
the funding to move the project further along um so your involvement is certainly important uh in addition to County staff they've been uh great to work with so far uh also working with various agencies you see on the bottom here the FAA Florida
DOT um uh Florida legislature any any aircraft uh and Airport operators and users that might be interested we're going to go out and and start looking to to see if we can generate interest which we already have been doing we've done surveys of potential users of the airport we've
gotten some very positive response so far um investment in the airport um it very well may be that we can get some investment into the airport some Equity partners that come in and help develop the airport and then finally the development of the projects itself and all this goes through the review process
that you see see here uh and we we've started that whole program itself so what I'm going to do is I'm going to have Jose Blanco who is our our project manager on on the um program to talk a little bit about the benefits of a general aviation airport at what it means to to your community and your to
YK County good morning everyone so we felt it was necessary to kind of provide an overview of the benefits of a general aviation airport because we're all aware of the benefits of commercial service airport because we use it um yearly to
go where we want to go quickly um but there's a numerous amount of general aviation benefits that I feel that the public may not be aware of and one of the key things is Medical Response where air ambulance organ transport um so
these are critical um components of the medical field getting things to someone specifically like organs as fast as possible and general aviation is airports are good because they're less congested so that opens up um that field
as well for the benefits and Disaster Recovery um one of the big benefits of general aviation airport is that that when it comes to Disaster Recovery um those emergency response Personnel could fly right into the airport it makes it a great area for staging like here on the
bottom you see um this is actually aircraft hanger and all these supplies are coming in uh post hurricane um you have some firefighting and search rescue so a lot of these key Public Services um use general aviation airport primarily
because it's a great Transportation method it's the fast this Transportation method and also due to it not being as congested as using a commercial service airport and uh another benefit is Flight Training uh the general aviation
airports is primarily where uh Pilots do their Flight Training so it opens up um the ability to have more pilots on board which now there's a pilot shortage so that's that's always a great benefit there and then last but definitely not least is business growth a lot of
businesses use general aviation airports because they're able to uh go to their businesses quickly without having to go through a commercial service airport and TSA and whatnot so that's one of the key benefits um which will be discussed here
more deeply laging a little behind here all right so when when the team here was looking at uh what we could do with a th000 acres for an airport um we did look at other benefits to the county and
its residents and one being an emergency Operation Center and this is what we typically see at airport just because it provides a quick access to multiple Transportation methods whether it be um the airport itself itself uh next to the
interstates U major roadways so emergency operation centers uh something that could benefit the entire County and and you see here on the left some of the benefits that we typically see for emergency Operation Center um one being a helipad for ambulance so that's kind
of what we have here in the rendering this is not to say this is what one would look like is this this is this providing example of what what could it look like at the airport uh you firefighting again law enforcement Public Works emergency response so
typically emergency operation centers once you have an emergency all the different um areas within the county meet at this emergency Operation Center and come up with a game plan and how we respond to an emergency quickly all right what the next key
benefits um to the community is the economic impact um airport provides so what you see here on the right um this is from the Florida Department of Transportation uh they do a economic impact study every few years in which
they evaluate um every airport within the Florida Aviation system that Paul mentioned and they look at what the economic impact of those airports are and you could see some examples here and um one of the key Ben one of
the key things with the economic impact that's why they're all a little different is where is it located what facilities it provides and another key one is level of stakeholder engagement is as we get people excited about the airport whether it be um those aircraft
operators or businesses as we get them on board using the airport that shows the federal and state government that um the airport is well needed and then that opens up more funding for the airport and so a Snowball Effect tends to happen
and some of the key benefits for Gulf County uh that that would provide a good economic um impact is one being the port there's not a lot of ports in in Florida and having a port readily available uh that we could serve the airp the airport
could serve alongside the port um the the economic growth with within the region over the past few years also would open up a higher economic impact for the airport and then the level of interest um throughout this process with the
airport feasibility study uh we received um letters of interest from businesses within the county of their interest in the airport and that they would potentially invest in the airport once it's up and run so I just wanted to provide overview of
what economic impact measures the fdot looks at when they evaluate an airport one being jobs having an airport requires people to service aircraft Service uh the maintenance of the the airport itself so that opens up jobs at
the airport and those jobs have payroll attached to it for those wages and benefits and and value added could be considered uh the net benefit to the airport so how much value is added in terms of revenues and then how do we
subtract out those um inputs um or expenses for lack of better term to to get that economic benefit and the economic impact that looks at everything from raw materials how do we use raw materials and then what um Revenue do we
get from using these Raw materials and growing them into something bigger so all these slides are officially from fdot's economic impact study from believe 2022 and this is for just uh District
three is which um golf county is within the fdot system and there's a to Total economic um impact of about $8.9 billion and this is just related to all the airports which within this District three in the
Pano um we wanted to provide some neighboring airports just to kind of get a idea of what the potential economic impact might be for the potential Gulf County Airport appach COA airport um It produced around 109 jobs which totals
$4.8 million in payroll 7.8 million in value added and a total economic impact of about 16 .6 million and that's the economic impact of 2022 so that number obviously continues to grow as as the years go
by cloun uh is about 45 jobs so smaller airport um but it still has a 2.5 $2.4 million um impact and payroll and then overall economic impact of about 10.8
million with that I'll turn it over to Ved who's going to provide an overview of the airport property and also a preliminary development plan that we got going on thank you all right good morning again my name is Fred ler I'm a uh heading up the
design effort for this project for the airide and at this point we're taking the design to 30% um So the plan is we we had the feasibility study that was done it gave us a Airport layout plan it gives us the information that we want to
use for runway length taxi way uh the geometrics that we needed to do for this so we're currently working on the initial 30% design for a 6500t Runway 100 foot wide and parallel taxiway uh that's 50 foot wide we also are
accommodating future hanger development T Hanger development corporate hanger development an FBO facility getting all the the grading set to so that we can do that make sure we're um above the flood plane um coordinating all the drainage uh to make sure we get a a permit for
drainage and we're doing that as a as a master permit to get everything uh uh drained so um we're in process of of going through that um we're currently scheduled to be completed by uh July with the our 30% designed to turn that
in so that's where we are with the basically the air the air side of the uh of the project so U with that I'll turn it over to Josh Josh is working on the uh roadway design the entrance roadway design who'll give you an update with that so
yeah actually I didn't realize we had this slide up here sorry anybody wants to take a look at this so this you can see our runway length 6500t parallel taxiway see where we have t um FBO and we have you areas for
corporate hangers that will eventually come fuel Farm um and then if you see the yellow that's we're looking at adding the doc there a potential sign for that so all right again that's the rendering that
uh sure you see is 71 okay just for clarification because it is it's small on the screen we've got a a print out that is roughly midways
through that th Acres so I guess the best point of reference would be where the runway is in in conjunction with that uh road coming off 71 want to put that back up I don't know it died there we go right again here so so
that red line is right in rough line to the to to the it's about the northern Point within a maybe a right few hundred feet okay and again the and far as relative to the that's kind of hard to see with this slide but the on the ends of the runway we have approach lights
planned for each end of goes 2400 ft from the from the runway threshold so that goes to the end of the basically property so and that'd be part of the clear Zone on either end correct all right that's an airport rendering we put together again you see
the uh hangers uh EOC T hangers facility Josh B doberry Engineers um our role with a project um in surveying design and permitting um this is a I consider a
two-part project it's the improvements to State Road 71 and also the uh the entrance roadway um the improvements of 71 is going to be a reconfiguration of 71 and the major components of that will be a Northbound left turn lane and a
southbound right turn lane w in associated with that um in total about 1,900 approximately 1,900 linear foot of improvements and that's considering both directions and then the entrance Road itself will be about 2100 linear feet
into the property um this is very preliminary as Paul spoke we're working on a 30% design but this is what a typical section of that entrance roadway could look like 20ft travel Lane twft paved shoulders um 6ft
shoulder and all and then roadside swells um just as a quick overview and that's that's our role in the project at this part want to turn back over one quick thing before we uh go forward since we've already got the
money for the road that my intent would be to hold off on the turn Lanes until we actually start destruction of the of the airport but so so is this a situation where we could bust that off permit it all but not build the turn Lanes until we started on
absolutely the intents to permit it all so um that's basically the the update that we had this morning um we tried to Pro provide you with as much much information as we could but I'm sure there might be some questions um from the board and we' be happy to answer any of those questions that you
may have at this point all right thanks sir our commissioner any any questions I guess U first of all thank you public for coming out this morning in this glovely weather it's uh it must mean a lot to you if you got out in this
rain so so thank you for coming out on that uh let's uh got a few questions if you don't mind we uh part of the part here you have the FL do so that's basically who who we found
them through going through FL do as far as who we get to y'all are nationwide a nationwide I see y' y' I looked at y'all's bios y'all have been all over the country helping with we we do airport planning design construction that's our specialty yeah so if you if we wanted to add something or something y'all done that you've done everywhere
from building all the way so that that's what I'm saying so that's where we found out how did we how did we get to choosing them so we we procured them through RFQ waren yeah and and I don't remember how many that we had uh but but I think
the the the key that they had was uh that they had done extensive work on the on the Panama City airport I got so I personally was involved in the site selection for the new airport in Panama City and I did two master plan studies there gotcha and so I know those folks very well so you had you had so you know
the Bay Side Bay County side okay gotcha well that's good that's good to know um when we go back to there our eight steps if you don't mind if if you put that slide up there Here We Go part of and I'm sorry the next slide board involvement what we
as a board I I I am a new board member uh I started in November uh so um and when I came on these I've had some questions uh from from day one and uh the stakeholder buying let's talk
Michael a little bit about that where where y'all don't really get involved in that that's for us to do correct as far as we are assisting the county with stakeholder buying working with Warren with the county and getting some potential aircraft operator letters of
support um because that's going to be really a key when we go to fpot and the federal government the FAA um showing that hey if we spend all this and give you all this money to build this airport are we're going to have support from users to actually use it so we are helping and assisting with the
stakeholders so I I guess have we started on that Warren the the buy so we've got our stakeholders Warren if you don't mind yeah yeah and what that what that means uh Mr commissioner is is the stakeholders like pilots and and people
that use airports those are the kind of things that that we initially have started now as as far as any this is the uh first Workshop that we've had with y'all that explained all the process that we're going through but the only thing as far as stakeholder uh things that we've done is
with uh potential Pilots potential users of the airport and that type thing okay all right and the reason I say that I I've have some friends that are pilots because I I'll self-disclose I'm not I don't love to fly U my wife will tell you that but it's it's it's something I wanted to make sure they're in there so
the stakeholder buying some of the feedback that I have got and I want to go ahead and share that um is we have Franklin County over here yall from me Franklin you built Bay the
the ECP I guess you would call it and uh H how are you how are we receiving what are our comments from Franklin and Bay so far uh I haven't had any particular comments from appalachicola
or Bay County County particular now when we did the when they finished with the feasibility study what we did is circulate the feasibility study to Tindle and and and others for comments on that but as far as specifically any questions from from Franklin County or
Bay County Airport uh we haven't had it okay uh and I was looking because I've done a little research well just do it so we went over there on we looked at Franklin's you know the benefits of the general aviation on that slide it's with the helicopter
um National Security I would think that's a big thing when you're do you you got it on here uh tendle Air Force being huge I mean we know how B it's growing but if if you think back remember when you were playing that airport Tindle after the hurricane it
was talk they were talking about it going away correct and they got a group together the bay defense Alliance to save them and you know basically Lobby on their behalf so you are you familiar with all that so we are one of the
contractors that actually probably has the biggest program at tendle right now with along with duberry we're working with duberry at Tindle on a fairly major program to uh improve the infrastructure okay so some of their board members may have
reached out um to talk about flight their flight zone their flight patterns and their ability to move forward with bringing in extra squadrons over there can you talk about that a little
bit Warren I don't know if you want to talk but we've had um discussions with the folks over Tindle and so we we believe that the airspace issues that I believe you're talking about um can be worked out uh certainly with an airport of this size and and the orientation of
the runway um but but we've gotten what we think is is support with regard to them um coordin with our efforts with regard to airspace issues okay so so tendle is all on y'all met with them and tendle is all on board with this thinks this is a good idea let let me say this
so what what I can say is this tendle had the opportunity to object and they did not right the FAA gave us a letter of no objection now I understand there's some board members and certainly the uh the level of anti that is coming from Franklin County is piped up because we met with their executive director and he
very nice guy but you know again they've had forever to do something and now we're doing something they've decided they're going to do something potentially uh Panama City's supportive because Panama City is very supportive because they they don't see us as any competition and they are supportive but but for all the talk there's been no
objection so okay I wasn't talking about BCP I'm talking about tendle is but we're talking about all three so Franklin has been hostile uh tendle has not uh filed an objection and they've had the opportunity to even though we've
heard the exact same situation with some of these members of of uh the the task force or whatever the the uh the brat committee or whatever they want to call it uh and then ECP has actually been supportive they have been supportive yes they have right I I was I was just focusing on tendle right now because I
was basically the closest person to this to to White City um those those are questions I have been asked and so I I feel comfortable that I need to ask them you know so I can go back and Report the that's why that's why we're doing this um but there there was their their talk
of growing that they thought that this might hinder them going tendle might this might hinder their future plans of being able to get those last squadrons in here which evidently one of them is supposed to be huge is that right I mean you you work over there every day so
well I just I I can't say so much about what's going on over there but we're confident that we can work out a plan that is that that works with the folks that tendle in their mission over there okay so all right okay um the it is no no doubt something with
Franklin County and uh and I've said from day one why wouldn't we partner with them um because the pilots that I know actually their planes are over there that are that are there um majority of the people if not all the
people it's quicker for them to get to there than to get to White City I saw you put the medical thing on there it is closer for the hospital to Franklin obviously for Oregon transport plan there if that was something down the road but I'm not trying to just throw it out there I want to have all of our
ducks in a row before we move forward with this we're talking about what 50 million Michael 50 million it to for our part you know not with the land but 50 million probably to build it I I don't think we do know but again the Count's not put in a dime right this is all fa
FAA and FD fa and F there'll be some local share but we we don't have a handle on the some local share would be if we had a partner with us well the land is a $50 million share so I mean that's we don't we don't intend to put up any money because the land's being donated and you know to us
so okay so and so we were going down we Operation Center which was you know a lot of them I see see a smaller airports they put these on there so that y'all done that before too um I was looking at the economic impacts I I don't want to if if we put this thing in and here when
you're doing your forecasting those jobs are not they're not I know that's it's a templ you put it in on how many they don't have 109 people working at Franklin I mean well I mean I I don't know where the num it came from FD yeah it's FD it's a it's a formula they they
do I'm sure for economic fdot um they they do a lot of surveys that's what they do they do site visits to airports and then they ask the management and businesses on the airport how much people you employ so that 109 doesn't include just management of the airport all those businesses whether it be the
mechanics out there or any repair shop detailing for the aircraft maintenance of the Airfield anything um at the airport so as 109 is not just the airport Personnel it's all the businesses as well in the airport all right we're good okay that's
why I I was just asking you know how that how that worked out good question um and the and the the number of jobs coming in when you when you do that fdot produced that um looking at some of the the property itself we talked about drainage
I guess our drainage Guy where is he at there he is thank you sir so if you said your lights are going to be that those lights and clear path is going to be right on the on the canal on the inter Coastal
yeah there won't be any lights on the no not on the canal but I mean you you'll be it's got to be cleared right there for your clearing it right so uh can we get this on the screen okay so the canal is actually
north of of the runway right so um and if I can point over yeah and so we're running North and South the roadway is NorthEast Southwest NorthEast Southwest okay be
down okay where are you proposing when you when you put that all that asphalt out where where are we going to put the the the runoff so right now we got we got okay so you're going to those will be
holding Pond facilities like you did it over at ECP so you don't have run you have you have to mitigate the we certainly have to take into account drainage for sure and that'll be part of the final design I mean this is we haven't gotten into that yet but we're at 30% now so that's
right okay um and the Airport layout I mean we we see that so we're building eventually for fueling services for the for the planes that fly in uh we have a future Development Area and we have the EOC out
there corporate hangers that's usually what you put on a plane like this airplane like this okay and and if you tell me a little bit about the people you've reached out to that be potential customers so um we did a survey of a
number of businesses that that that do business here in Gul County um Fly corporate Jets but they obviously aren't based here some some aircraft are at appal Cola some are based elsewhere and fly into the county and they told us and there's a number of them I don't
remember the exact number so don't quote me on on any numbers but we were told that they would FL take those based aircraft that that are based elsewhere and base them here at this airport if we had the facilities in terms of runway length navigation fueling and in hanger storage okay so
it's kind of like build it and they will come but they have told us they will come when we do that survey it we have to justify the FAA to the FAA and fdot to make an investment in this airport and it's a major investment on the airport it's 90% FAA funding and I
believe it's 5% fdot funding 95% of the dollars that go into this airport are coming from the state and the federal government and and then the other five is from St Joe % that's and you've already got land that's been donated that certainly will go a long way
towards that right so from our perspective and from your perspective we have to justify this to both agencies so that they are willing to make the investment to build this airport and that's why we do the surveys and we've gotten enough positive response back which was in the feasibility study okay
fdot has indicated to us that they'd like to move forward with the project because they they think there is a reason to invest in it okay so you you've done the prelim and these were corporate people that have businesses here and businesses elsewhere that do business here okay yes and those where
would we find that data at Warren Warren could would you I mean just you do it right I mean for the future what I'm saying is we we have it we have it yeah we have all that Randy and basically we did some of it by word of mouth or a majority of it by Word of
Mouth of who would use this airport people that we knew that had airplanes and we we may even have missed some but I think uh for the feasibility study part of it is we had to get enough that would convince fdot this is a feasible
project and later on uh obviously FAA and so that's that's basically what we've done and and so the list is it's it's within the feasibility study okay I just Warren and and and you know me you you sat in this seat before you know where I'm coming from when I when I have
when I have U conversations at the G gas station uh I I want to have I want to have all my ducks in a row to at least answer their questions not that I'm for against but to be able to answer and it's not a gauntlet I'm trying to run you through this morning I'm sorry but these These are this is this is heart
this is in the heart of my district and so that's why you know and I appreciate us having this taking our time out to do this morning because I have a lot of questions on it i' I've had a lot of questions on it so I appreciate it and it's not a gauntlet I just need answers so if there if there's any questions that you have that you here at the gas
station after today and you want to get answers from us and you don't have the answers please just you know you can get with Michael or Warren and reach out to us and we'll get the answers for you all right we're here to help okay um so the partners I guess I guess
that's a that's I want to make sure because I think it's very important for us sitting you know and I and I made it clear I I know that we have that Port that's our I think going forward that's one of the things that we can really look G focus on that nobody else has you even said that nobody else has around
here they don't have they have them but you know that's what we could really be focused on for future jobs um so tied it in I know you said you were going to tie it into there and that so that's something too but I just think it was important for me to get this out and let
people know a little bit more about it and um being able to have a contact that we can reach out to if there is a question about it um going forward so uh with that I I just want to make sure that bay County's on S you know Franklin may not you know you're going to always
get some of that because if you take half of what they got which R roughly you'd probably take half of what they have and we took that half is that the half that we're talking about building it for if it's if that's what I'd like to so so I I will I will say this um that the the FAA will not invest in an
airport if you're planning on that airport by taking away from another airport that they already invested in we're looking for new business to come into Gul County that doesn't have because you don't have an airport that to fly in here I mean now granted that some folks over in in Franklin County
may take their airplanes and come over here but that's not what we're planning for so the feasibility study will show that that y'all are y'all are fa has made an investment over there already they don't want to you know take that investment and throw away throw it away and have other aircraft those aircraft come here the idea is that this airport
is generating new business for the county New Growth for the county and that's what what the FAA looking for and that's why we we've done the study and the best example of that is this uh at least on four or five of the letters that we got were were people that could
not land in certain condition either either they couldn't land because 5,000 was not enough and that was only like two but they also had U several that said they couldn't land in wet conditions because 5,000 is not enough in wet conditions so and that's the kind of situation where the one guy twice in
a week they had to land ECP and you know then had all kind of issues so that's the kind of difference is that again and they're talking about extending and whatnot the the other positive when we first met when we before we hired y'all however many three years ago how long Y how long
y'all been working about that time probably about three years um the the the the opportunity to start from scratch and I hate to give Tallahassee any credit because they they do some stupid things but planning wise uh Tallahassee airport their new airport of
course it's been there for 50 years now but when they moved the original one that was I guess on the TCC campus to out there they moved it in the middle of nowhere and what's out there now in no houses there's a sewer plant there's a there's a solar farm there's all these things that's the perfect thing same thing with
Bay County the Old Bay County Airport there houses all around they can't extend they were going to have to extend in the bay if they extended they had a short Runway it was limiting their access where do they go they go in the middle of nowhere and no houses and they're going to have all these economic impacts from Aerospace and whatnot because they're in the middle of nowhere well that's going on right now the
negative again and and we tried to work with Franklin and and again we not I'm not being negative on that fact but but we tried to work with them for a long time the negative with the expansion there and again I think they still have a diamond is they got the Housing Community all the way around them or at least on three sides and there's a lot
of opposition in fact one of the former Commissioners was one of the biggest opposition to it because he didn't like airplanes and I was like why did you build a house next to airport if you don't like airplanes uh so that's the thing that we won't have here because we're well the runways at least two
miles away from anything but even but even the clear zone is going to be a mile away from on the south side of White City so it's away from anybody today is a perfect place to to start from scratch yeah good thank you Michael for that I guess the biggest thing is is if
we know that our friends to the West our friends to the east we're not in competition with either one of you we are all good with that we have people that will be or whatever this is that's coming here to have these
planes uh are coming here to bring business and future jobs it's not costing us a dime on for for us to do it so I'm I'm getting headshakes well there is a 5% local share now you do have the
land that's already an investment so I mean it's when all the numbers are worked out I mean there could be a small portion that the county does have to fund but the revenue is coming back to the county as well in terms of fu hang I thought we I thought that was a St Joe's part of that we we don't plan
on putting any money in but there's a 5% deal if we can't match the 5% with $50 million we got a serious we got a serious cost overun but but but again back to the other I don't want to I don't want to to to spread the fallacy because I know half a dozen people in g county that have planes at Franklin and
either they don't have a hanger today or they've had a hanger there for years and don't have power I would expect most if not all of those folks to come now we're not trying to steal them but but if you live on Garrison Avenue uh it be a lot easier to drive two and a half three miles to to to the this airport than it would be the other and especially if
they've got better accommodations which we would plan we're not trying to steal those folks but nearly all of those folks have reached out to Warr and say put me down I'm you know I've got a Cirrus or I've got a whatever uh and I'm just thinking like Trevor's dad you know
they he's got a hanger over he's had forever I'm I'm sure he'd move his plane over here because he don't have electricity but uh you know we're not we're not trying to steal them but but it would be more convenient for folks with smaller planes that are already here thank you fellas and and like I say
I got you on yeah I I got you on speed dial when I get the question I'm gonna I will I'm G I'm gonna follow up with you thank you so much Mr husman you got anything yes sir thank you Mr chairman uh M uh commissioner Brion thank you very much for for doing that answered a
lot of my questions as well um if you guys could pull up the 50 230 boundary with the red boundary around it um it looks like there may be some parcels that are going to be not landlocked but they're going to have to
have a different route to get to those Parcels how are we going to handle that are you talking about to like the plan north side of yeah there's a there's some on the on the northwest right there
um second there's right here that that road goes into so there's going to have to beign of the road okay to be just outside that the red boundary is just end of the clear Zone but we can work
that out yeah correct okay okay yeah with commission PR's question that's that's one thing I I see right now the drainage and stuff will come later I mean 100e from events I'm sure on airport so um I did have one question for Josh too um on the
71 uh widening right there um it looks like the the W I know this very early on but the the widening is is kind of a combination of Center Line widening and Edge widening correct so you're trying to keep it looks like the
southbound lane in the exact same location that it is now yes okay minimize impact right yeah okay do we have any RightWay issues there not that we're aware of at this time when you do that widening you'll be fine okay we'll know when we finish this 30% but I don't
foresee any okay um one thing we might want to think about too I know um the administrator didn't want to maybe put the turn land in but with that radius right there you might want to think about putting that turn we have trucks hauling things in things like that might
be some maintenance issues that uh we could bypass there if we go ahead and do that at least on the on the right turn lane side it all comes down to money in hand and we have we have X amount of money that dos told us to to pay this road
with and again if the money is not an object when we bid it then we do it all at the same time uh but we can definitely put it in that'll be Edge wiing so it won't be as bad as the left turn lane you know correct on the right the right turn lane won't be nearly as expensive as a left turn lane um so
that's just something to to think about for maintenance in the future to there okay that's all I have Mr chairman yes sir thank you yes sir commissioner M you got anything questions Mr MC no thank you Mr chairman one thing I'd like to expand on and I ain't trying to put Warren on the spot
but he was on this board during the time when uh U just elaborate a little bit y y'all tried to partner with Franklin County I know that my father-in-law sat on this board and you also did y'all more than once tried to partner with Franklin County on that airport and got
where yeah that that that's going to be the question they going to throw up at us why are you doing this when you got front and if you elaborate on that yeah no for for years and I think Michael can contend with this we we did try to partner with with Franklin County it
made sense they actually have three runways over there I don't know how many is operational uh but it made sense for us to partner with them and try to grow uh Economic Development out at their airport and for many years they they just weren't in support of that you know the industry was still going well and
all that so they didn't pay a whole lot of attention to that but uh there again time times change but um that's that's the problem that we run into we for years tried to get them to partner with us and it didn't work thank you that's all I have yes sir War I got you I I
guess one of the things I was talking about Franklin I we we have to do business as Gul we we we're responsible for Gul and I and that's what we do um when we look at the Port though you dealt with with Triumph as well and going forward I just want to make sure
that we're that we don't alienate Franklin sure and so when we do I was talking about that feasibility St it's important to say that hey these are the people that we're not looking at your people even though some of them they live here they know they're going to lose them that that's fine but we're not looking to take your people and bring
over here we y'all do your thing whatever you got going with the with the aircraft training and all that that's that's fine this this is something we have we have new people that are not that won't be coming there that'll be coming here for our Port I you see what I mean so I think that's a that's an
important thing to capture so speak to that Warren if you don't mind just what what are your thoughts on that because you you dealt with those grants before especially with a dry dock trying to get that going years ago sure well when I look at the area I look at as a regional area and and uh you've got the port over
here that we we were thinking about partnering with with Franklin airport and we had money at one time to re refurbish the uh Rail and never could get that particular going but you look at it on a regional basis and and I think one thing that we looked at on a
regional basis is we were one of the few counties in the region that didn't have a paved Runway I don't know there may be one or two other yeah none on the coast but there's one or two Inland that doesn't have a a paved Runway so I think the majority of the region the counties
have paved runways so I think uh but all in all you do you look at the uh you look at when you are applying for Grants through Triumph or other Avenues you absolutely try to take in the entire region all right I guess my my my
question is uh so we let's go back to tendle U because I know tendle is uh is huge um so you're saying that we have not had any opposition from tendle in reference to this airport Micha you want to speak to that I don't want to put words in their mouth
I I will I will say this I I know about what commissioner pridon is talking about some of the some of the folks and again we're not in their we're not in their uh layout right now I mean they're talking about something future uh we certainly don't want to get Crossways with tendle but but but the other deal
is this they have the opportunity to object the Air Force has an opportunity to object they have not objected and we've basically been told they're not going to object so I'm not saying they're happy about it because I would I would say that if I was the Air Force I wouldn't want any
airports to compete with because I have to worry about that no matter what they do but you have to remember now they've got a massive chunk the largest in the world the in the in the Gulf of America now that for for for their airspace restricted airspace they've got the
national forest the appach cola National Forest as restricted air space so theyve they've got huge areas and again the the the the thought is that we don't want anything because we might get something in the future that we we need everything
that that doesn't fly so I I heard some of the same uh some of the same folks were opposed to moving the the uh Bay County Airport the new Bay County Airport which might have even been in some of that zone uh when you're taking one away that's five miles away versus
and moving it 25 miles away but again they have the official opportunity to object they did not object and from what we hear they're not going to send an objection uh and we've got the uh the FAA no objection
so I I don't know what else to say other than I'm I know that one of the brat committee members I mean I've talked to him personally that that is not for any uh future interference from anywhere all right uh so my my my next question is I think you guys said that
fdot was going to fund 5% and FAA gonna fund 95 5% 90% 90% so how uh confident are you guys in that FAA will approve and will fund at
90% I I I would say that we're we're fairly confident I mean we still have to justify the whole program but everything we've heard from fd2 and FAA so far has been has been positive and they're supporting the program um I mean I mean it all comes
down to also eligibility of airport Improvement program funds um and very competitive you know everybody every airport across the country is looking for those dollars and so it's a matter of you know being able to get the dollars to to do the improvements that
are necessary same thing with FD too but once the airport's been approved by the fdot and FAA the county is certainly eligible for those funds and then you certain things have to happen with regard to justification politics may get
involved with regard to who gets funding versus who doesn't that's the way the game is play our our goal is to get the the airport approved by both agencies so that you're eligible for funding assistance so so what's a realistic
timeline of from Step One to a completed Apple well I think right now sounds like FD had some issues with the staff and so they were trying to finalize our feasibility study enough
people to to complete it again we heard from them verbally that they don't have any any issues that you know that they were but they were wanting to get get fully fully reviewed and I can't remember the's name weal
to the call they didn't have that is exactly the quote and again to make sure there's no confusion here uh we've been funded in three Cycles through fdot for everything that we've done so they put in uh $5 million so far in this project
they are very supportive of the project uh so that's that's not a concern but but it's kind of hard to say our next threshold is I think is June or July when when are we the next uh our next receivable whatever that y'all are supposed to provide us the 30% is is is
June I think is that right early July June or July okay so again when we started this three years ago I was hoping to break ground in four years that's not going to happen today but we want to be in a position sometime before the end of next year that that when
money comes available we can move forward is that is that basically our still our timeline is co so if that gives you some answer again we thought we would have the fdot uh approval official what do they call that
acceptance to the system feasibility study acceptance and uh and again it's it's not a problem on it other than it's a staffing issue and I don't think they had anybody in that position for a while that uh left and didn't feel so give you an example when when we did ECP and we
started you know we to do allal work and all that it took about 8 to 10 years actually operation going through all the process of getting environmental done the funding in place um and just getting
facilities built 15 years ago um so I think that that's reasonable here an 8 to 10 year time frame to see an operational airport it's it's going to be difficult to do it much quicker than that assuming you know the environmental
is clean I mean yeah it's possible and the funding availability is there so let me ask let me ask this question and so for the for the funding so FAA you say 90% And you said it's competitive everybody's competing for those dollars so once you apply for those dollars do
you have that's every year you got to go back in and apply for those dollars it's not every year you you put in your your funding application in it will be there for a couple years and and so when your turn comes the money will be there but you'll want to continue putting in Grant applications for
additional facilities once you put it in there to FAA it it will be there and when the money is available they will make it offer that to the I'm sorry so the other thing too right do a CIP that we turn into the fa Capital Improvement program Capital Improvement program
right that that that goes out several years so the fa you're not just hitting the fa up this yeary we want to do this got that CIP sorry yeah sorry um they've got the CIP that looks out five years so they
know what you know what projects are coming up and again they look at it at the Airport layout plan right so if it's on the Airport layout plan they'll consider but if you were to come up with something hey we you know we want to do this which we never had on our Al now we want to do it
fa they'll say you need to get this on your Alp Airport layout plan you know we need to reapproved front of them so they know what's coming up and again sometimes depending on the uh you on the amount of money right if it's if it's more than they are use you know looking for
they'll they'll get discretionary money to to fund it if they this you know this scores well right compared to the other airports around the country scores well we give the money for that so that's kind of how that process works so in layman's terms we've got we got the
Cadillac layout with FBO and fuel center and all this kind of stuff first thing is going to be PVE the runway and the taxi way and then they'll add this stuff so we may not get the whole Chunk we won't get the whole chunk to start with you'll get phase one and phase two and
then and you'll continually and just like the Panama City airport you know I guess they're still trying to get a cross Runway uh that that's in the poer and it'll it'll they'll they'll have a ranking system and it didn't rank the last couple times even though I've flown in before when they come in sideways and scare you to death uh for a cross one
Runway when the wind's blowing the wrong way uh they'll eventually get a cross Runway they will it's a matter of justifying it from a win standpoint but they will get it and it will it will get funded that project will get funded so this may take 15 years to build out but
we're three years into a eight-year process of of landing and taking off planes type deal is where we think we are anyway and the runway and we talked about ranking and runways are the highest rank uh because in regards
to capacity and safety which this new airport plans to achieve so that that would rank high as well anything Runway related so okay I'm good yes sir on
the the wind an I'm assum we h a Southeast wind quite a bit here um the 5230 oh I'm sorry the the 5230 that's a that's a good layout that won't by not having
uh uh one 120 or whatever so the winds out of the southeast the 523 alignment is is actually optimal for winds out of the southeast so that's so that's not going to hinder us okay and as part of the feasibility process we did look at
10-year win from tindo and appach AOA and we um looked at them individually and also combined them because there's no weather station because there's no airport at the at the site now so we did look at realistic 10year wind data to determine what's the best orientation
okay well if if we had to if we had to do a book report um on your presentation and summarize it it would be the the two terms that I would most liken to would be support for the port support is as a good good term and the utilization of
this um airport and think that y'all are taking care of the utilization part of it and the support part will be for the port and whatever industrial areas are along that that canalway yeah that's right and I just want to clarify that 5% as well that we
say that's local funding that doesn't mean necessarily it has to come from the county that could come from investors that are bringing up their own hanger for their aircraft so um the 5% doesn't have to be exactly from the county so that's where the support comes in how do we get developers in to get excited
about it to put an investment into the airport so that way that reduces the share the county has to potentially pay gotcha okay thank youall very much for coming out so the CH guys have got to go with 10 so they got to go with the rest of us will stay and answer questions
however long we need to I'm going Jack thank youall for coming out and sharing uh take it and be careful flying out wherever you're flying back to [Laughter] thank you so much foring us time and
there are yeah we'll definitely reach out all right y good go to public all right anyone in the public want to come before the board with any uh questions you come just make sure you state your name and uh address for the record please
good morning gentlemen Christy marroy Woodward Avenue Port St Joe it's interesting that they have uh experience with Panama City airport the new one it's even kind of for your edification uh I grew up in Forest Park right next
to that airport um I'm sorry they left because in Panama City when they mov that airport out um it it caused a lot of
concerns from citizens that were utilizing that Regional Airport um I as I said grew up there I've been in the region for 57 years also when you had that airport being built they ran into a
lot of issues and you can actually Google and and look up some of those issues Mr Finch from Phoenix you know he he did a great job but there were so many change orders and he is a
contractor and needed to be paid for the change orders so he wasn't getting paid and he took out a full page J about getting paid again causing problems for the citizens who were taxpayers
also because there were wetlands in that area and there was one standard for the developers or the county whatever for uh turbidity when it came to those wetlands
and another standard for the contractor so he had some issues there couldn't quite re reach those standards and it really wasn't quite fair to him the other thing I want to
remind you all of and Mr chairman you and I talked about this this was back in I guess 2018 2019 when helicopter and I've had friends over in Bay County that have also landed a
helicopter in the parking lot of the hottie hering so uh commissioner mun certainly knows about that I didn't ever come to the podium and talk about it but as far as getting helicopters in and out
of this area you don't need a $50 million airport I would like to see more as someone who actually got a degree from Florida State and Ma majored in
economics the drill down on return on investment because there aren't 109 people that work as FTE for appalachicola Calhoun County my understanding for that airport I may be incorrect is that was a
3count county deal so before everyone starts going overboard in the summer we ask for feasibility studies I want to do a public records request in front of this
commission and get all the data and the feasibility studies there was also a a city planner for tendle Air Force Base nice lady that sat in front of me and until she attended the meeting
and she happened to get information about it she didn't know anything about this buyer be well Weare and the devil is in the details uh anybody else come for the
board yes ma'am come on hello gentlemen I'm Deborah Mays with the Gulf County Citizens Coalition uh my first problem is just money um you guys are going to have when you request this money from the state the FAA nationally you guys are going to
be saying that the thousand acres is $50 million it's $50,000 an acre is that or is that not something you want your name on that's that's a lot of money per acre that you guys are saying that that land is worth also in
this whole presentation before the public it was not mentioned once who is going to be running the airport I'm told St Joe company is going to be running the airport in exchange for giving donating the land is that
correct yes no you want to answer that we have a public private partnership and I believe I've said this in meetings three or four times St Joe will have the lease uh based on the public private partnership they're not in the airport business so I believe they will sublease
it like they have on other projects but but gu County will not be running the airport g county would just own it so I can't I can't tell you who's going to run it but so you won't have actual control over what is being done with the airport if you're leasing it to St when you want it you get to make the dang
rules so you know based on what that lease says will be what happens but the gist is it's going to be open to the public it's not just again I'll be retired before this comes about but we're not in the airport business either so I don't want to be pumping gas at midnight at the airport and and the
County's not you know set up to run the airport so we don't want to run it we just want to facilitate it Frank county is run by their Board of County Commissioners come County County Employees don't run that airport they have an FBO they have a they have it is a very very run out of New Jersey and
it's part of those 109 jobs I understand but just want to make sure you understand and where because it's not what it says Franklin County owns that airport Franklin County does not run that airport right okay yeah it's run out of New Jersey and that's part of those 109 jobs I know because we pay our hanger rent to
them um uh another question I have is I heard at the very end support for the port and industrial areas is the reason for this airport I mean what is the reason for this airport and that's what I'm hearing
their first slide was seport railroad that's why we need the airport so we are talking a major change to our entire current tourist you know uh based economy by saying we are now going to
have airport we're going to have you you know we'll be talking you know in a couple weeks about the 3,35 Acres land use change all around the airport all to Industrial lands from agricultural lands now you're talking we want the port for
industrialization for Seaport somebody mentioned a railway which you know doesn't exist but you know all of a sudden it exists when you're talking to the FAA um there's there's a lot of things you guys really need to look at when you guys are applying nationally
and state because your names are on this and you're you're telling the FAA we need this because of you know we have a railroad we have a working Port which we do not do you guys really want all that back and the one other thing I would
like to make sure is he mentioned an environmental impact assessment that is much more involved than an environmental environmental impact analysis uh assessment that's much more involved than just an environmental assessment and environmental assessment
they basically just says what's out there they don't say what kind of real impact it's going to have so I'm hoping that that he spoke correctly that we're going for a a full eia of this site and what all it's going
to impact not just hey this is out there you know um that's about all I have uh again we'll be talking the end of the month on those 335 acres of land that you guys are wanting to switch to Industrial all surrounding this airport
why you want to do that and now we're talking a port an airport connected to a working cargo Port Marine Port you know not talking Eastern ship building with just some Marine maintenance and a dry dock if
you're going to have an airport you're talking bringing in commercial shipping and with that you're bringing in every ship has 26 different pollutants that they emit that are regulated a small Port is not going to have Regulators
assigned to the port uh so the the ships get to self-report what kind of pollutants they're adding to our Bay uh we're not even talking the air pollutants that's just you know the the other things so
this is not just about an airport is what I'm trying to say this is about a change to our entire area and I hope we talk extensively about that at the next meeting thank you thank you ma'am anyone else good morning good
morning my name is David Smith um I live over on cely Drive in White City and looking at this information that just became available to me this
morning I have some serious concerns now we are new residents to White City um we are of that population old people that are retired down here love the area and I'm concerned
with with a number of things that have been said here this this morning and I'm not going to take up the commissioner's time in this format to discuss all of them because there are
numerous and I look forward to the opportunity to speak with commissioner pridon uh in the near future and we've spoken before but I've heard some comments about all of this information that
is been made of available and has been gleaned from different people and all the information that I'm hearing is hearsay I don't see anything being provided to you fine
gentlemen in writing about about um agreements where things are going to necessarily end up uh the only thing that I did see in writing that's been presented here was
the roadway and I have some concerns about that being my history in trucking about that roadway being designed like that it's going to be an issue getting trucks in and out of there and somebody made mention of that but all the information that I've
heard from the people that are doing this work for y all has been hearsay it's been well we've got this commitment I don't see a commitment and
I would think before you Commissioners make any kind of decision on something like that you would want to see formal written confirmation of all that you're being
told because these things have a way of morph okay getting a life of their own and changing all of a sudden well we talked about it at the meeting but that's not the really the way it is
going to go and and I go to I go to is this airport really necessary there are a number of airports in this area and is is this going to turn into a boondoggle of we want an airport but we
really don't need an airport so I ask you just make sure you're facts make sure you're getting reliable information and the last thing I will stay say because I know my time is up is there was a
comment before about this airport being developed out in the open where there's nobody around well I don't know if you're familiar with where C drive is and where the proposed airport is but I
probably could throw a baseball from where I live to where this proposed airport is so in in in that regards I'm opposed to it just for that fact thank you just just to calm your
mind the the proposed Runway and again it's it's blown up but that's a th000 acres and it's two miles from the end of the runway to to to your cely drive okay that's a pretty good that's pretty good bit I ain't Rock throwing but yeah no no no it's I want to be hell of a rock so
so we're getting all of the property uh you know and some of that's clear Zone but just for future blockout whatever be fenced in but the the actual Runway which is maybe 900 ft past the road the best way I can describe it bar cumes
Church uh it's two M two miles probably two miles and a little bit more so it's a long way okay and and and I will the word you used is proposed again we're back to propos that's not that's
not a plan that's in writing that's well it's proposed it can change are there going to be is there going to be on both ends of the runway of safe zone are there going to be lights on both sides of the runway
that are going to extend past the runway so the the actual Runway may be as proposed but that doesn't preclude the airport extending at both ends of
the runway and when planes are coming over they're going to be low in altitude following the lights accessing the runway that may be 2,000 ft but the planes won't be and they'll
be going right over the inter Coastal right over where I live to to make this Runway so it's not out in the it's not out in nowhere it is in fact encroaching on my quality of life thank you thank
you sir anyone else questions all right thank you everyone for coming out to the uh Workshop meeting the jour