##VIDEO ID:r98cPXB1css## want to call this special meeting uh to order uh will you please stand and join in a word of prayer and then we'll jump into the uh we'll do the uh pledge and then we'll get started please join me in a word of prayer dear heavenly father Lord we just thank you once again Lord God for everyone in this room father we just thank you for Lord God everyone that's Lord God serving this country Lord God our Law Enforcement Officers our military Lord our veterans Lord God First Responders Lord we lift them all up before you Lord God we pray for all our elected officials Lord God across this nation Lord God father God be with us all give us all wisdom understanding give us knowledge as we make decisions concerning your people father we lift up everyone in this room be with our families Lord God be with the the people of Gul County Lord we just thank you for your many blessings in Gul county father we give you the praise we give you the glory we give you the honors in Christ's name we pray amen please join me in the pledge flag of the United States of America and to the for it stands God indivisible andice good evening to everyone welcome to the special meeting November 6 got a few items on the agenda um just remember if you coming for the board please make sure you state your name and address for the record um also please silence your cell phones so we won't have them going off during the meeting um at this time we'll move right on to item a bid number 2324 d33 Lake Grove Road and Bird Parker Drive Mr ham good afternoon Mr chairman Commissioners great day to be an American before we get started I just want to say that uh great turnout g county great turnout nashley but uh we had two compliment yesterday about y'all reopening the Highland View Precinct and the Howard Creek Precinct you know when the times got tough we cut down precincts and whatnot but they had astronomical turnout at those places and again we're the end of the road so the first one we had back was over Street whatnot so just to pass on that the public is appreciative and it did cost money to buy the machines but it's a good good benefit so clay has got the first two items good afternoon uh it's actually page 12 in your packet this is uh bid number 232 24-33 it's Lake Grove Road and Bird Parker Drive the construction the staff recommends awarding this bid to the lowest bidder Roberts and Roberts at a price of 2,256 3 $ 1381 all right thank you sir any questions Commissioners for Mr Smallwood Mr Smallwood um that's in my district district one there um will this include uh warmouth drive that's the road in the middle it's not it does not include War well listen there's there's three or four um places in that road that's been patched before several times that need to be addressed so if we can add a change order to that get a look at that and take care of those um take care of those areas okay on that warmouth drive good good good any more questions commission all right they being done entertain a motion that we award that bid with those changes say Move Motion by commissioner Rich second second by commissioner far any further board discussion anyone in the public on this yes ma'am come on up state your name address for the record please thank you very much my name is Sarah Hodson I'm from St Joe Beach and I just wanted to I'm hoping that my comments don't have much impact on what's happening today but I do realize that this El this meeting is a day after the election districts one and District 3 have new representation and their representa representatives are not here voting on money that's being expended by the taxpayers so I think you should consider tabling any of the expenditures of money until the next scheduled meeting so that the proper representation and votes of the people are respected thank you yes ma'am thank you Mr Sarah I I would Mr chairman I'd like to respond to that let let me say one thing real quick I mean I I appreciate your uh your your response Miss Miss sah but I would think that uh these guys are still in the seats until the other guys takes the seats so at this I mean they are representing the people until November 26 so they're they're they're called to make decisions and I trust that they they gonna make the right decisions you can go ahead and respond all right my response uh ma'am um my neighbor on Lake Grove Road is a retired do employee and he was explaining to me that to resurface a project takes you know sometimes three to four years and new construction takes up to six years so it may fall inside or outside the next person's term of what you get so anyway we've been working on this project for how many years couple at least three since we at least three okay so this project we've been working on for three years and voted on many times um it will be completed in 2025 correct along with several other million dollar worth of projects in district one so anyway just to clarify the timeline my my other question would be to Michael is what where where's this money coming from I apologize I step out to get my glasses oh so we on page 12 bid number oh so this is this do funded uh Scot project scrap project so 100% funded by the state through the grant program that we applied for about three years this money was applied for what two or three years ago yes so okay and and again we took these bids a couple months ago and we had to table it because of some funding issues we' got that worked out so we're good to go now we're we're within the price range any more questions all right anyone else in the public anyone else any opposition to the motion Mr I must abstain due to a conflict with the project possible any opposition to the motion all motion pass for no with one abstention all right small Item B on the agenda it's uh page 14 in your packet this is Bid 23 24-34 staff recommends awarding this bid for CI services for the same project Lake gr radberg Parker Drive to the highest ranked responder South Eastern Consulting Engineers and allow the chairman to sign to execute any necessary documents any questions commissioners so wishes of the board so moved I got a motion by commissioner Rich second second by commissioner phell any further board discussion Mr chairman I want to abstain from this one as well due to a conflict with project okay thank you sir any more questions concerns are anyone in the public on this one any opposition to that motion motion pass for and0 one exstension all right item C bid number 2324 d37 White City Water Plant staff recommendation is to reject those bids I ask why too high so yes sir so U we're glutton for punishment so I've got Dawn to agree to take this project on and we're going to we're going to manage that pro project in like we did with the one at Dead Man's Curve uh that we're about 2 million over budget uh the we bid it twice the the prices are extremely high we did not have uh I think we may have had three biders the first time we had two biders the second time uh so between conflicts between me and the engineers from Central Florida on on how they designed it and over engineered it we're going to do some changes and and cut about $2 million out of that cost so we need to we need to bring that down from uh 5.8 to 3.8 and I think we can do that and maybe even get below the 3.8 number Don's got some good ideas about uh doing that so that's where we'll be headed okay all right any questions Commissioners entertain a motion then we reject this bid motion by commissioner chome second second by commissioner far any further board discussion any want public public on rejecting this bid any opposition to that motion motion pass 5 and0 all right moving on down item D bid number 2324 d38 St Joe Peninsula Beach renourishment this is the road and control project and staff recommendation is to reject that bid due the budget say due to the budget due to the budget we don't have the money all right any questions Comm question question to one other item with this and this is this is on the beach okay uh we have requested with our uh engineer and consultant to get us an extension we the time constraints based on Turtle season is too strenuous that's one of the reasons it's driving the price astronomically uh I don't know if you noticed real I know commission mccrone did that the bid went up $10 million from the original bid did uh 6 million was mobilization uh everybody we're talking to says it's going to be you'd have to have the most ideal settings to to get the sand and get the structures in place in that time frame and meet the deal uh we think we can work toward getting an exemption from that based on the fact is we're building habitat we're going to have a mile of of beach when we restore it there is no habitat there now it's all in the water so that's that's where we're going to go toward the other item is we're short of money and again we we were thinking we were four five $6 million short we're probably 10 12 million short even on a on a good day so uh we we're going to go back and ask the legislature for some more money for this project and hopefully by summer we we'll be able to move forward on this project but we can't do it now we just be wasting time because there's no possible way they could mobilize and get that in in the time constraint even if we had the money Mr yes sir yes Michael I know we talked about uh if we broke this project out I know we talked about doing the hauling ourselves and but we I mean we'd need a lot bigger window than five months uh I know there's several people here you know that want to the the best case scenario and I'm an optimist when especially when we're doing stuff like this uh 12 months if we if we were to haul it 12 months it's just and and tell me again I how many yards is that clay with a little over 800,000 okay and and and because of I mean it's it's it's it's it's somewhat simple of a process but it's kind of complicated too because you got to build to put them there and then cover them up so I mean it's you can't just go put the structures in and then haul so it's kind of a there's more to it than just hauling sand and put in structur right right oh the structures I think about a million dollars a piece there's seven seven of those so I mean just think we just got a 40 something million dollar project the structures are 7 million of that price tax so we're going to apply for an extension on the window to work we need a per we need an extension to to work through Turtle season knock that six month window out and make it you know 12 months or however long we need if we don't have that and and and then we need a little more money okay good any more question commission Mr chairman um we we have I think we have done a project before where the time frame was extended had M clay for the during Turtle season uh yes and no depending on what part of the cape you're on yeah the the FEMA burn project we did not we had to be on the North End of the cape after Turtle season um the NWI project was it during Turtle I can't remember the nwith project we did on that southern end I can't remember I don't think that restriction was on there wasn't so so the what we've been told in the past and we've kind of fudged over the years I mean over 30 years doing it the the sometimes they'll give you an extension if you're close and and you need to run over a little bit the problem is we can't hire a contractor and and be on the maybe if what because because it would be we're spending $30 million under the best ideal scenario $30 million we can't be 20 million in and say okay we got we got to stop for 6 months I mean that because it'd be a disaster to do it partially and then it once they mobilize too we we can't pay for them to remobilize you know saying your cost we can't cut them off and then say hey you going to have to come back that's six months that's not going to work but anyway correct that perent will be through D and US fishing wildlife and we work with them quite often though so okay any more questions concern and Clay your recommendation was to reject reject the B all right entertain a motion to reject so Move Motion by commissioner mcon second second by commissioner husman any further board discussion anyone in the public on rejecting this bid yes ma'am you come on up state your name and address for the record Patricia Hardman president of Coastal Community Association you are rejecting vid which I can understand it seems to be awfully high but what are your other options we own that cape and I have no property on the cape I do not live on the cape but the people who do cannot wait for another year while y'all make more decisions to get some sand out there on that Cape you're going to lose homes you're going to dramatically lose homes and you're going to lose possibility of the road um the hall is not exactly practical if you have 820,000 yards cubic yards of sand a truck carries 20 cubic yards some of them carry a little bit more but average 20 cubic yards that's 41,000 Halls 41,000 Halls let's say I've got 10 trucks and they can make five hauls a day that's 50 a day that means 820 days to haul that 820,000 cubic yards of sand divide that by 30 and that's 27 months not 12 months I know you paid and got in engineering to get some sand pumped now have y'all considered the possibility of separating these things out between having somebody do the the BMS or the the rocks on the offshore barriers that's 8 million you've got 8 million in the pot and you consider th separated see if there somebody that can do that project relatively quickly and then come in and start doing something simultaneously with the sand you you wait you're just D you're killing the goose with the golden egg fellas 44% of the total income for this County comes off of that from the rocks to the state park not only that the number of persons out there who invested their own hard-earned money are going to lose that money and lose their homes and if any one of you were sitting in that same bird seat you would be very upset may I ask the question of the audience oh no do just just ask ask them to stand anybody that's here who thinks we need to have immediate action would you please stand these are your constituents these are your voters these are your land owners please do something immediately start doing me and you talked about this and I we we can't continue to haul sand the last project that y'all did and you know what I'm talking about is gone I mean it completely gone it lasted no time if we Haul sand right now without any mitigation the Sand's not going to be there I mean it's just a plain fact I would love for us to start this burn project tomorrow we've talked about it but we cannot afford 48 million dollars and the problem we run into is there's only three or four companies that do this type of work I'm saying can you can we separate them and find somebody that can do your BMS you might have somebody that can do BMS it can't pump I I don't think you can I mean if if you were to put the BMS in first I would assume the construction sequence is you build the beach first and then you build the BMS right okay so that's the way I would think is so once they begin to dredge and and the water to pump the sand you're going to dredge out the burms that you've already built I got you so that's that's the dilemma I think is the actual construction sequence that we're in so P to I mean and we're not bunch of dingl Lings I mean we we we're a little bit better at figuring than than than than your 800 something days the best case scenario I have is if we hold it it's nine months we're going to use more than five trucks and we're going to get more than 50 a day but again we've done this before I mean we've done three huge burn projects of hundreds of thousands of yards at s Jo Beach at at at Indian pass and at the cape uh so it is certainly possible and some of them we do long trucks that can get 30 yards and different things but the problem the problem with that is time it is a lot quicker they're only like three you great lakes and and Manson and there's one more that I can't weeks weeks it actually the one that bit on this one here of of the big boys and they're busy and our other constraint is again their their benefits and negatives to hauling it it takes longer but but we have a sand Source the sand source that they're getting that we're permitted to get offshore is so far away because they tell us where we can get the sand that that that adds cost to the deal so when you add the the the the so so whereas in in the past we've had a lot closer we've had a lot closer sand sources but but this is this is this is pretty complicated and and again if we had a dredge they probably can do this project as far as the sand part in three months after they mobilize this is not a I mean they you know coordinating when they putting these structures in and that's that's a pretty big deal because you got to build the beach put the structures and then cover it up but the gist is that there's nobody available it's a long way and we're under the latest deal we're $22 million short so our our other deal is this when you say do something the money that we got from the state and from Nera and and the different ones to put this together this is not to buy sand to put on the beach so where where would when you say that you want the County Commission to do something what do you want us to do you want us to go borrow money to put sand because we can't legally use this money and put sand on the beach we have to do the project that was permitted and that they're funding to mitigate hopefully long term this is not the situation where we just we won't put in the underwater structure we just go put sand on the beach they won't let us do it that's the Dilemma we're in and I I I hope you appreciate that because it's not the situation that if County had the money if we had a funding source to say okay we'll go we'll go renourish the beach and we'll do from there to the state park I think the county would do that tomorrow we this is this this is not an eligible project to just put sand on the beach we have to do the mitigation I appreciate about and me and you talked about it and you know when we started uh talking about this project working on it clay how many year how long now clay you know the coastal engineers and you know better than anybody you've dealt with them they gave us an idea of where we're going to be on money you know and this is nowhere close to where we thought we were G to be you know and and I mean like in below 30 yeah yeah yeah we in the 20s that's what I was talking yeah we're at 28 and they come in at 48 this last bit and what about if we go back to the 35 million and talk but to not do something is Paramount to condemning the C what it's not that we don't want to do anything it's not that at all we're trying to find a way through it and and and all right you fish and wildlife will be the ones that determine whether or not you can have Turtles right right right can we maybe push a little button or two there that one that decision will be made over there in Panama City all right and they are somewhat the blame for holding us up on this thing because they waited so late to get their approval in pushed us back so absolutely we push a little buttons or two with Neil Dunn or some of the others and say get these folks to because you can mitigate with have people watch out for the turtles while you're doing this we've done it before hadn't we had we we've had it before monitoring yeah but we don't need them to wait six months or a year to tell let us to do this we we agree with you 100% And and so how do we move quickly U Clay's already contacted the U the engineers I think we're working on a extension now but we definitely if you you know we can talk to fishing Wildlife who you know we need to what can we folks do to help you get this job done so so two things one we need to we need the time constraints lifted and and I think that we can make a common sense argument to do that whether they agree with us or not I think we can make a common sense argument there no there's no habitat there today we're going to build habitat there won't be habitat at all for a year so but the other deal is we need the legislation to give us more money so in the next three months we need to be lobbying the legislature and DP specifically to to to to bridge this Gap Jason cha and Cory that's right and again and we've got lobbyist to that that will work and there there are pots of money even though it's the Cobra and all that kind of stuff the state has been very helpful on our projects the federal government would not uh it certainly wouldn't hurt I mean I think it's again I mean we'll we'll call on everybody but folks are hearing this the the the the gist is uh it's all about supply and demand there's only a couple folks they're busy I don't know if y'all saw the Mexico Beach uh renourishment price tag it was astronomically high and and they took it because apparently they had the money but the gist is uh uh we can't we're not anywhere close and and it wouldn't it wouldn't be uh it would I would not make the recommendation to do it at 40 million or 48 million because it's it's not worth it I mean even though we need it done it's it's it's it's a waste of I mean that that is a $25 million when you look at the nuts and bolts and we broke it down if we had to haul it it's it's inefficient but it's something that we can do you can haul we we we could do it and you start immediately well we couldn't start immediately but but but you know yeah and of course we had to dig the sand out of the ground too so that there there's a lot of moving Parts but nine months would be a a long period of time but we could do that and we could do that in the around 30 million I believe the problem is time and we until we get that time constraint and we and we're still a little bit short we need the dredgers to be hungrier it would be greater to have a closer sight uh but again when you when you get $6 million for mobilization the last time we did that project when when they pumped mobilization was a million dollar right whenever whenever a vendor comes back and gives you one price comes back and almost doubles their price they're telling you they don't want the job and they got you by the long hairs and if you're crazy enough to give it to them give it to but they don't want the job that's right and and they know they're in there's no competition for take it away from them been in the business a long time or so but my thing is we need to move whatever we need to do with a lot of haste we need something happening quickly and anything that we citizens can do to support you we'll be glad to do it but we need y'all to support us as well and it's and and waiting is not really waiting is the same thing as saying forget it we're going to let the cape go away seriously so I appreciate you listening to me got some prayers going we'll see what we can do to help you but you've got to move quickly and get some things in place to move if it does happen or it to happen I'm sorry thank you yes ma'am appreciate you listening to me thank you ma'am yes ma'am anyone else anyone else yes ma'am come on up state your name and address for the record please hi Maria Thomas I own on cap s blast Road um I I just want to Echo Dr Pat's comments um we don't have time to wait who in here has walked that segment of each over the past couple months there's no Dune left there's almost no sand left um homes are just about to fall in some are already condemned I believe we have about 32 between the homes and the 10 condos um that if we don't take action this winter most of them will be condemned so even if if what we're saying is we can't make it happen for those 32 homeowners the the cape road is going to be compromised over the winter almost assuredly if you've ever spent time down there when these storms come in and it doesn't even take a hurricane just a random Thunder stor thunderstorm that came through a tornado that came through Panama City I have video of waves coming all the way up to Cape s blast road every single turtl Nest that was sitting there was washed away so we're hemming and haul and I absolutely want to protect the turtles as I'm sure everyone does but what by not taking action and I understand the limitations but I just need to express my concern by not taking action we're actually actively killing turtles so in the process of trying to in name protect the turtles we actually killing Turtles it happened all this year I'm not sure unless anyone knows of I I doubt a single Turtle hatched from that segment of beach based on how much even just a thunderstorm causes the waves to come all the way up to the road so we we just don't have time we can't wait the those homes will not make it through this winter um and again even if we are saying that we we can't save those homes because of funding or the approvals um what do you think the tourists will say about this when you have 30 homes in various states of falling into the Gulf and all the debris just washing up the rocks and washing onto their Beach vacation the the Facebook groups already have commented about all the terrible erosion on the cape and I can only imagine how much tourism we would lose if we let these homes fall in the ocean and what an iore that would be we're talking about trash cans being left out as an iore this would be a disastrous iore in addition to being a huge loss of assets of the homeowners in this segment so I Echo Dr Pat's comments about the urgency of this situation um have we so we've only received just so the the homeowners can be informed so we put it out for bid and we received only two bids from the same company as that correct two different time one bid two different times from the same company and no other companies are interested in bidding the project they're so busy there's only three companies that do this type work and they're so busy that they're so they're not interested don't look like it I mean if you I know in my business if I if I'm covered up with work and and somebody comes along with a big job I'm G bet it high if I get it great but I I really can't handle that work at that time you know but but and and and I don't know if you're familiar you know we've been working on this beachs for years yes I'm aware I don't know if you are you familiar with Cobra yes okay and and just just so some people know that if this area was not in Cobra at after stor storms hurricanes the the federal government would renourish that beach every time right so so as a small County we've had to pull from here here and everywhere to get resources to to try to keep that beach renourished and unless we get some mitigation which clay andm has been working on for a long time uh we're just we're dumping money in a hole I hate I mean I hate to say that but that's the truth I mean it's just not going to stay there and and and uh I mean I've been here all my life and and we used to drive on the beach on the what we call the T of the cape went out for a mile that this beach has been eroding for a hundred years or more it ain't it ain't just started yesterday right and and and we we feel y'all's concerns and where where we at we're absolutely and we want to get it going as fast as we can so don't think we don't we're not concerned we are sure so I guess just so we have only one company that's even put forward a big and are we able to go back to their original bid and negotiate with what that bid was stated or is that just dead that b is dead Mr chairman U I want Mr Hammond to uh remind we may have some new customers out here in the uh in the audience but remind them we went to the Department of interior and we're working on um the land swaer them giving us that land down there at the at the end of the cape to put the underwater structures in and that's what we've been working on since then and and now we have a change in the um in the Oval Office uh maybe with a republican um help we'll be able to um to get that but the the federal government was unwilling to spend any money on their land to slow down erosion even though they know it's happening been happen since 1492 but but you know just give you an example but um but we've made the effort and uh things didn't go our way in the last election and they're and the Democrats were unwilling to give us anything so what I want you to realize that the wheels of government turn slow and we're like I said they've been they've been work we have been working on this a long time and um hopefully in the near future when we go back in February to Washington DC we'll set up those meetings Department of interior and uh make it happen I will add one thing uh I guess it was over four years ago we did have the the guy down uh from from the yeah to come and look at it and then like I say the administration Chang and then we kind of got left out because we are trying to get that part of trying to get it out of Cobra uh and our plans are to go back to DC and hopefully we can get that removed out of Cobra and then we can get some uh get that Federal money in to to help renourish that beach and how much money how much funny do we have secured because that's also been kind of thrown around and the I don't think the property owners know that information in the low 20s we we've got two or three pots of money the big the big bunnies from dup and then we've got two or three other smaller pots of we can Cobble together about 23 in in rough terms uh and you know so we knew we were going to be a little bit short we'll figure out that if if we were at 28 but we're we're nowhere near the other the other thing I'll say and again I don't get too far down the track we definitely need to to pick back up and run with the Cobra deal I I think had had Trump not lost in 2020 that in early 2021 or uh 21 we would have we would have got Cobra out we had the secretary of the Department of interior on the cape understood the problem he worked with Jeremy the staff whatnot we had the bill drawn and and and and it changed so I mean that's that's life and I mean we've moved on and we haven't really spend a lot of time or money on that in the future we did get a couple of of subdivisions out through Congressman former Congressman suland help uh with tradeoffs again you got to have a democratic Congressman in New Jersey that won't and that's exactly what it was that uh now Senator I guess that that wanted something out and they they horse trade and we got I think 80 Lots out and and now we we've had another the bill that we that kind of got killed at the last minute this last session but the gist is this the whole point of this project and again there been a lot of time working on this this project started probably four years ago it's been it's been a long time maybe longer than that was that we can't just keep putting that the cap putting their own money in can't just keep dumping money in sand because it all goes away now some of that sand is probably good for the North Cape because that you know some of that's greeting or at least stabilized or whatever so the the only way there's no money to just say we're gonna put M because again it's the same people that are going to dredge for a beach R nurishment project that would be doing this too so there's no money for that I mean we can talk about doing another assessment and and you know trying to partnership and and come up with that but again that that won't happen for a year if we started today and the whole point of this project was we want to get something that's going to slow down the rate of erosion and then we can do a re nourishment project that may last 10 years instead of a renourishment project that didn't even the last three years this last time so that's the whole goal of this and it's why the state's paying the lines here at the mar okay and our original estimate of the budget was like 23 to 25 million but we're how is it that the bids are coming in so much higher than that it's just the time that's passed since the time or what was our original budget b clay Clay's better at that than than I am but this is this is the gist you you have a it's a supply and demand issue okay you only have three big trading firms and again had interest but but I think that the folks that had interest that would be the haulers didn't bid because they knew that it it is more efficient to dredge this I mean they do it quicker I mean there is mobilization cost but you got three big companies that do this stuff their prices are astronomical everywhere it's not just here if I just mentioned the Mexico Beach deal that was literally twice what the project two years ago that they did at panal city for for a smaller amount of of of mileage I think they were only doing like three miles the the gist of it is is we're stuck with dealing with the people that we have to deal with they're not hungry I mean it's no different than your home builder when when they're when they're hungry they W to build your house and they'll do it tomorrow when they're not hungry they're going to tell you it's going to be five prices more and it's going to be two years same situ situation that just not I mean literally in the in the entire Eastern Seaboard there's three of these big companies that do this and and they're not hungry so that's why it went from I thought the first bed was way high then the second one really I mean they literally they had it million bottom line and what is the basis for our estimation that $30 million would be enough to tackle this project when we don't have any bids that are really close to that well well I mean when when we initially started it again we're not ding Lings uh we've got historical data on what a dredging I mean to to what what 800,000 yards put on the beach would be I mean we've done a couple of dredging projects directly we've haul for the burn projects it $16.5 million that you know that we got the state paid the back and the federal government paid for it after Eric King Michael but so we've got reasonable cost estimates but they're all out the window right because no one will do it for that price it seems okay I think um I understand that our hands are sort of tied in terms of the finances and the approvals but um these 32 homes probably most of them will not make it through this winter so um February is just going to be too late but I I I again we can't holler wolf I mean some people been holl wolf for 20 years let me give you the best example we fix to talk about sunrise sunset the next issue on the map in 1995 I was on the County Commission Mr jerger we were out there in front of Sunrise sunet about four hours before opal hit 100 miles to our West almost 100 miles away the water was under those houses right there at that same place right up at next of the road how many years ago 30 mhm 30 years ago next month so 29 years ago even though there's erosion we put sand back whatnot they were falling in third 29 years ago they still hav't fallen in now they've spent a lot of work they've added you know did all the things that they they tried to do but all this deal about the world's going to come to an end and whatnot it's we survived I I still I I still don't believe that we've had and Brad correct me if he's here oh he's not well Doug can correct me I don't believe we have lost a d permitted house at the cape including harricane Michael or or Opel or anything like we've lost older construction those houses were built in 89 or 90 I believe uh you know they stick way out that's one of the things to talk about moving it in but uh the world's not going in tomorrow if the road breaches we fix it or do will fix it uh and and again the sky's not falling I promise you but we do now have multiple homes that are condemned which is new from just a few months back so I don't know that we can say that there's a lot of time um the dunes are completely gone um I've personally seen at our property and we're set quite a a ways back so I don't really have a dog on the fight in terms of being condemned at least this year but um many others do there's no Dune left um every with every winter storm just even a thunderstorm that's hundreds of miles away you get further erosion so you lose another 10 ft of of the sandy beach so so I understand you're saying they're not all going to fall in tomorrow and that's true but we already have two condemn we're going to be discussing the condos which is another 10 units that are in grave danger and it's only a matter of time before we have another five or 10 so we we I mean we really can't wait until February I don't know what other options we have to pursue um getting the funding or other sources of um ways to proceed the the the direct the direct answer is this anybody because we have an erosion control line at the gate anybody that wants to spend their own money and put their own sand and and protect their own property can do that they can do it today and some people have over the years and I mean but but the gist is it's not the County's responsibility to go out there and put sand on the beach no more no different than it would be for the for the people of the river that's caving in the bank uh again we want to help that situation and we bend over backwards to help that situation we want to to to to make it work but we can't we can't just go all sand at hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars at the time that's going washed directly away um okay um so what can again to kind of echo Dr Pat's comments so we can talk with our state representatives to um ask for supports and and funding for the project um I guess my last concern is with the federal approval do we know anything more about where that stands because last I heard they're still going back and forth between us Fish and Wildlife National marine fisheries services and the Army Corp of Engineers and I also understand that there was a meeting in January so nearly a year ago with all the parties us Fish and Wildlife National Mar Miss Marine fishery services and um many people that are probably here I wasn't able to be present for that meeting where all the parties agreed that all the information that they needed had been secured and they would just need to move through the permitting process and now we're 10 months later and we're still going back and forth between these two agencies and the US Army Corps of Engineers or is there any more information about that the status of that approval we don't have the Army Corps permit um but they they offered up national marine fisheries specifically offered up some uh restrictions that they were going to give with their permit and we couldn't live with them I mean there was outrages and so uh that's still being worked on but that permit is going to be modified for a longer time period anyhow so it's not the end of the world that we didn't have it today because that permit was going to be just outside of turtle season so we're going to have to modify it it's going to have to continue to be that process to get it modified so we really don't have any progress on getting the federal approval progress in terms of we don't have the permit but we're a lot farther down the road than we were this time last year so there's still asking for more information no the balls in their Court we're waiting on them okay yeah I guess um maybe us as interested homeowners in that area I have video myself I'm sure many do of sea sea turtl Nest being washed away in a storm so I certainly understand their interest in protecting the wildlife but by not acting and by now it's been 10 months since they had that meeting in January by not making any decision and giving us the approval to move forward they're actually actively killing sea turtles and I think maybe they need to hear that I don't know that any of them have been down here to see that that's the case we've had that argument with them for the last five or six years and so they care but they don't actually really care it makes no sense correct and how long Clay did they they held us up on that biological opinion from Fish and Wildlife that was a yeah it's been 10 or 12 months I it's been so that held us up to to begin with and that was a biological opinion from fish and wildlife and I think one person in the Panama City office correct me Dr pth I'm wrong but uh was a primary one that held us up on that and that almost a year on just that so and like clay said that they don't care they just they see it one way you know so yeah I mean just one thing for them to say that they care because they're trying to protect these species not realizing that by not making action they're actually causing damage but it's another thing just to realize that and still not take action yep okay well yeah I guess um I just wanted to express my concern there are a lot of people I think you know other homeowners that maybe aren't able to be here today that feel the same we really um again if you guys could let us know what else we can do to help get interest um I really think that it would be a terrible iore if we go through this winter with without any protection tourism is going to die I mean the whole cape's revenue is dependent nothing will happen before this winter so I mean unless unless we hit the lottery or or you know the good Lord comes and puts a sand on the beach for us so we we need to get off of that because there nothing going to happen we need to be positive I think that the one thing that we can do and we'll put something on the website or send it to Dr Pat and she can send it out about asking our our Representatives who have been extremely helpful on this project specifically both gory and Jason uh and to to get us some more money and and then maybe with a new Administration to get some of these federal agencies to relax and again I I don't really want to throw bombs at them today because you know some of them are helping us and some of them not helping as much but that's the federal government agencies that we deal with all the time they're not the good thing about state government they you've got a timeline that they've got to turn it around and some of them play games and ask for more questions but but again they got 30 days or whatever they got core has no timeline and I mean it could be years it could be 10 years they could just just keep delaying you and you get the congressman to call them and they're ugly to them and whatnot so I don't really want to go down that road we don't like some of the but we understand they're going to give us the the go ahead we're just going to have to have some more negotiations we need some more money so until we get more money we we can't really go forward but we'll get that information and try to get a timeline and and of when we would need the money and how much we need and be in a better position maybe by the summer but Mich by by no means though do we need to throw bombs at especially the state officials they've been 100% representative and Senator Simon are and they're fully on board with us and it's not those guys it's it's the federal side so okay so just asking for their support and advocating for us AB thank you y thank you so much all right thank you ma' any anybody else before before Dr Pat anybody else I just I Pat Harden Coastal Community Association Pres president can you I concur entirely um Jason and Cory very supportive and have been and made sure that there was no hold up at the state level in fact when there was a little bit of a hold up they tweaked it and it moved quickly the hold up is at the federal level has been a lot of it is out of us fishing Wildlife you got a lady that thinks nature should take its course and that's where she's been standing for 30 years so but if you can give me information of what you need how much you need from the state government things then we can have something specific for our citizens to send out is much better if I say if we can say we need $4 million to do a b and c and it can be done starting in January if you get it to us then if it's just we need help from you so can you ask the staff to please get that for us so we can get out would you be all right you will thank you all right anybody else um my name's Kelly Mills and I've been out on the cape since 200 3 2004 and I know everything y'all are saying we've been fighting sand and we've been fighting this nightmare over and over and over again I just wanted to roll back to back in the when we got hammered 04 05 06 07 we did the final The Dredge that lasted at least a good 12 years I would say until we and then we were trying to dredge after Michael but I run I've been in real estate I run a a a vacation rental place and I broker both Georgia Florida and here's the problem that I I I want to bring to to attention yes we I we all know we're what 43.8% on the taxes and we're this on our tourist development tax but on tourism in general and this is through Florida border realtors and whatever when a family comes and spends a week at the cave they usually spend $5,000 additional dollars outside of housing outside of lodging outside of whatever if you wanted take the houses out there at the cape we've got about 3,35 of them let's say 70% rent which probably more than that but they rent and we usually get a solid 26 weeks out of the year you got your summer you got your Spring Breaks you got your fall breaks you got Thanksgiving you got Christmas but take 70% of that and you're down to about 2100 houses we know now we got monsters out there we got 10 bedrooms got eight bedrooms I just went on a four-bedroom house has two families in it you got two families coming in in a week spending $10,000 in our County and when you multiply that out over one year you're looking at $2,250,000 that that is being spent in a 26 year or year period in in our County so you know when you start and then you have the sales tax you start getting into all that you start amassing a you know I think 147 Mill million dollar that we bring yearly North Cape that we bring yearly to this County and of course with the the they spending money and what are those those you know entrepreneurs or restaurants are doing the waiters waitresses they're taking that money that we're bringing in and they're spending it again so this money just keeps getting recycled so to I'm sitting to to think we're 10 million short or 5 million short is really shortsighted here because we did shut down we were a ghost town in ' 0607 tourism did stop houses did fall in cuz two in front of me fell in the ocean and then we lost some more um wouldn't know which one it was but I remember seeing another one or two Falls so we have lost houses in that ocean and we're going to do it again and I know y all's hands are tied but I don't know beg borrower steel when when we couldn't even rent we couldn't even give things away on the cap and and now and and then we didn't even have social media like we do now so you read these Facebook posts and they're like don't go there don't you know it's it's it's not crying wolf on that level I mean I every shop was was boarded up 0706 I I mean correct yeah we were it was a ghost town yeah I wasn't here then I don't know any of us was but what we're saying what Michael was saying about the houses falling in is he was saying D houses that that after that time period uh am I right am I cor and uh we hear your concerns we're not where're we on this but but on the same side we're we're a small County we can't afford to take $48 million $35 million and go renourish the beat it's not going to happen and and that's why we have to pull from different pots to find this money correct and we know the Cape is vable we we know that we know that but we still are a small constraint County when it comes to finances on on on the greater scale we have to think about the whole County we have to think about roads we have to think about the M maintenance for the whole County and that's all we're saying is we can't take $48 million or we can't take $20 million and it would bankrupt the county it it's all work but we're supplying you almost 50% of your tax basis so you have to help us and if you don't no I mean this is Mitch he uh he gave me the numbers 43 8% of your tax roll is with North cap and so I I get it listen I you know push push back we're stuck I'm not trying to go there but I mean if you can borrow can you get a pro or you know what if you did half of it what if you did four and blew in the sand and if that doesn't work why even bother doing the other three I mean because we're still not sure if the grow you know the groin system is going to help us enough because you're right you you I mean once the spit started deteriorating it started coming in sideways well and that's something none of us can control I mean the and like Michael said erosion has been going on when I like I said when I was a little boy you could drive a mile out on the tip of the cake I mean that was now that's gone right and and uh what's caused that is is multiple factors I mean I've had people tell me that the building of the hous is changing the wind Curr you know what I mean you might not believe that but it you know uh all I'm saying are they an engineer no I'm not an engineer no no I said are they that are telling you that are usually well there is some people that yeah yeah absolutely they say bob sight's cut in appalachicola when they cut the the bob sight's cut actually caused a lot of the erosion on the cape I don't know that but but that's what some Engineers have said and and all we're we're saying is we're trying to we're trying to Wade through this we're not we're not putting y off we're not but but we cannot afford $48 million but you can't afford to lose us either no no no I agree I agree and and like I said before when when Engineers start working on this they give us the numbers they say hey they figure it's going to cost somewhere between 23 to $28 million and that's what we have to go on and that's where we're at so we're trying to all right one other thing I like you know uh about the cape you know and I make about 75% of my I don't live out on the cape anymore um I don't have any property out there anymore 08 took care of all of that for me but uh I do make a living out there I'm out there every day and I know you're out there and I know you do a lot of business out there so it's not that it's not not caring I mean I love the C my kids grew up out there you know and we make a I feed all my guys and my family from out there so I mean it is something near and dear to our heart and but you know there just certain things and it's you know this federal government is we've been up there four years in a row I been asking and talking and just you're talking to a stump and I I do feel though that we could should get some Headway with this new Administration correct because we were getting there yes we were we were almost there we were almost there and that's something the Cobra has been going after Warren jger has been going after Cobra for yes 12 years and we were just inches away and then you know one bad said I but we do have a lot riding on it you know my family does I know I I mean and that's I know you guys know and that's why I was hoping you know would you consider half the project would you consider just something you know and like you said you know how can we help we all feel we feel hopeless because I know we can't really help all as we're up here is asking you for more and more and more money but I just know that tourism what happens we were down 30% this year in our books from last year because and a lot of that wasn't so much the wall but just the water you the water quality just so my thinking is I just have that nightmare repeat of 07 when people didn't want to come here things were just so eroded away and uh houses were falling in and and we're there I mean I don't think we're crying wolf right now it's it's there and luckily my house is safe so I I I I don't have a you know my house is okay it it should be okay for a long time but I've been there I've lived that and it's horrible it's horrible you have your whole dream these people whose houses are condemned I mean that was their dream and and it's it's devastating to the families I I mean so I I you know I yeah I know we can't Ru the lottery but I don't know private going to the cape I mean have you asked hey how much do we need and I think that's where Pat was coming Dr Pat was how much do we need 8 million 22 million you know where's a figure that maybe we can start you know working toward or or trying to get um I think Michael said how much you say we need I I I can't give you an answer I I think that this is a probably a $30 million project not a 48 million doll project but but I don't know if we've got somebody that was willing to do it for $30 million we we we may if we get the if we get the time constraints we got the time constraints removed I think we could haul it and do it in in that in that range hey I got one thing I want to add that Michael and I talked about um really at length is after Hurricane Michael came through and it eliminated all our standing Timber um it was hotter Inland in district one where I'm at okay and when you got that uh heat rising it's pulling that Shore Breeze uh Harder Faster and I don't see it stopping anytime soon so it's going that's why it's so important for us to try to get these underwater uh groin project going um at the bottom of the cape you know because we talked about this and and just a small incremental effect of the increase in wind is moving that sand faster down the beach to the north end so I said you know you need to put an underground tunnel to bring it back to the bottom end and and start over where it came from but they said you can't do that but anyway that's that's what's going on and we understand and all of us understand all of you out here the reason why you're here if we could fix with a magic one we would if we if Money Was No Object we would um let me tell you something else I I want you to quote me on this one um Oldtimer told me said the turtles were here before you got here they'll be here when you gone so I don't want a turtle to stand in the way of a project of us solving your problem okay so I look forward to this next Administration cutting red tape like the last Department of interior secretary talked about so anyway I want y'all to know that we are doing our best and have done our best and we're going to continue to do our best and I got one other example um Mark cin uh I talk to him every week several times a week he said you know said I want you to understand this says the countyy is like a train it's like a business he said it's uh it's going down the track he said um employees get on employees get off Commissioners get on Commissioners get off but it's going to take care of business and it's going to move in a positive direction so I don't want anybody to worry about the county not moving in a positive direction because this leadership right here and over there you got it okay and we have the County's interest at heart we got um let's see four business people on the board and educator we live here right I do not doubt that one iota I I'm just trying to go outside of the box or think of something cuz I lived it we saw it it was horrible and it just the county can't afford that I mean you can't afford Los the only other thing I can think of is if you want to have a gofund meet and everybody buy a dump truck load of sand you know I'm serious I'm serious really with a rental you know whatever so but anyway that's all I got okay yeah back yeah we understand you you need hey Kelly the these guys and I have full Michael and Clay they've been working on on these type projects for years it's not their first I know marry go around so anyway we I wear trust me I wear clay out with it every week I promise you and and he'll tell you I'll call him every other the day hey where we at on this and so yeah yes and then I guess you know like I said our frustration is we are your golden egg you know and I know you got to PVE roads but we need you you know we need y'all and and we feel like it's just takes so long and permits still aren't in place and you know I mean we all if we could get out of Cobra that would solve our whole our whole world and and it would make our lives so much easier I promise all of us and and but just like the one lady with a biological opinion she's she's not she don't want to budge and and she's been that way for what 10 months now and yep so all right well thank you know like I said if we could get a a figure I you know we I'll go play the lottery or something all right thank you so we got a motion by commiss Comm M second by commissioner husband any opposition to that motion all right motion pass 5 and right sunset sunr sunrise sunset all right commission thank you very much Jeremy Anderson uh legal council for Sunrise Sunset one of the addresses of 3873 cap sand blast uh thank you again for uh letting us uh having second time to approach you uh we took it really seriously and uh and we went and retained experts I have an expert that I'd like to call up in a few minutes Bethany wac from Cypress environmental probably know her she uh previously uh with with garlic environmental and with d he's done a lot of work on the cape and she's gonna talk about wave action and and all the comments and the the conclusions that our structure the wall and I will get to the definition in in a moment is causing Dam damage to the adjacent structures uh she's going to be able to comment on the wave action uh over time and what it's not doing and physically and scientifically not possible um we also uh sought the uh expert opinion of uh Mike Weber engineering uh to do potential remedial work for Med immediately pres preserving the property and also uh you know the long-term solution or one of the long-term solutions that we are review viewing and uh that's hard uh as an engineer I believe as yourself you probably don't want to uh uh spend a lot of time where you don't know exactly what you're doing because you don't know what you're drawing yet and you don't know what you're proposing as a final solution so getting some final answers from Mr Weber uh we don't have that yet but what we also did was we explored the idea of moving the structures so we're talking about a a county with what a $100 million budget and A4 M7 million expenditures a lot of money for 10 owners we're looking at potentially over 2 and a half million just for moving the structures back at least 555,000 uh if we're going to put them on the new pilings uh those are going to be $4 about $70,000 for the new pilings we don't have a quote yet because we haven't been able to obtain one but the demolition of the existing pilings and then once we move it back then we have to do Under the buildings all the foyers we have to uh attach the plumbing the grinder all of that we're looking at about a $2.5 million project just to move it back and if we're not going to have the groins and we're not going to have the you know the stuff we're talking about what do we buy ourselves 12 months and then we're back in the same position after spending $2 and a half million dollar um but then I started thinking okay let's let's review the terms we were using the discussions we were using because because terms and definitions are very very important and you know and so we're going to look at and talk about the Deep P approval the building officials letter and the and even the commentary and the conclusions that we were making so the D approval that we all acknowledge for what we have there now is for a retaining wall and one of the things that I believe uh commissioner husman said was very important is the finding of facts the finding of facts at that time indicated it was a retaining wall and Def what would was commonly determined to be a retaining wall that's what was constructed it also the finding the fact said that you the county provided approval well your letter from your uh building official indicates that we have a structure there that we built this wall this retaining wall I I submit it's not a sea wall as everybody uh concluded it is a retaining wall by DP standards uh I don't believe you have a definition in your code of what a retaining wall is or a seaw wall but I'll tell you where your code refers you to to determine what a retaining wall is so we're told that we don't have approval patently false incorrect we do have approval for what we've constructed there now we didn't uh you know we're talking about all the erosion we didn't cause that that's that's nature causing the erosion moved where the beach is and there was at the time there was substantially more beach in the front but there's nothing in your code that talks about environmental conditions changing the structure or the Improvement that was properly permitted by you and D now all of a sudden making it something else going from what's a retaining wall to now a seaw wall okay um believe this the Mr uh the the uh flood plane engineer here today h Mr Doug crane thank you um so in the flood Paine uh uh ordinance that would apply there's def there's a reference to what is permitted so under 4.2.4 g7a that provides that when you're doing construction you can install a retaining wall in that code and very specifically in that one code for the flood plane ordinance talks about terms that are contained within that ordinance that are not defined where you where you define them one if there is uh if it's defined by the Florida building code that's what it is if it's not defined by the florid and building code then you look to see what a normal you know what that would be uh in a normal context and ordinary circumstances well the flooring Builder code defines exactly what we have as a retainer wall so where we're getting the commission and respectfully let get you a motion to motion to extend his time got a motion commissioner CR second commissioner far any opposition motion pass 5 go ahead thank you commissioner all right um therefore we have a retaining Mall uh there is no other place that uh defines or stipulates that environmental circumstances are going to change it or it's defined anywhere else in the flood plane it directs you specifically to the Florida building code um and so our commentary threw out and where we came to the conclusions well this isn't permitted we've never allowed a a seaw wall uh in this area we're never going to let one well you're not you've already approved a retaining wall that's what we need emergency approval to immediately do some work so that it doesn't get worse but we also want to be able to use under the 4.2.4 g7a the provision under there this allows us to submit a uh request to have an approval for a retaining wall the repair of our retaining wall and uh we don't think it's appropriate that you're uh building officials seeking removal of a seaw wall by trying to categorize it as something else um so part of our request would be uh any emergency approval that you could could give to us so that uh emergency action to to prevent until we get the long-term repair of the seaw wall things um there's some technical bags and there's some things that we can place but we need D says before you can do that you would have to get approval of the the county to do so so we request that we have that initial approval and then uh direct the um you know the building department to review our application uh for the restoration or repair of our sea excuse me retaining wall um in uh normal circumstances and also direct your building official not to pursue us for code enforcement action and the last thing would be also uh we would not NE need it find it necessary now to do a variance because what we're asking for is permitted under your code provisions and what I'd like to do if I could bring her up with me uh is Bethany wch for Cyprus and she's going to talk about wave action in the scientific and how people may comment later about uh specific uh uh you know they believe that it's causing uh damage to their property well to the the properties of the north uh physically not possible scientifically not possible and then you're going to hear commentary I believe from the person immediately to the South that is is not worried about our wall wants our wall to stay there and that uh if we remove the wall uh our experts also going to indicate that the wave action is going to wash out immediately under us and then immediately do the same thing to the uh adjacent structure um so we're and one of the things again uh before I bring her up is the uh again uh commiss husband is one of the things that is required and you you you when you said it you know defining is a fact well under your code uh things that are allowed that you it's not attached to a structure and that professionals demonstrate no harmful diversion or decrease in uh or increase in the uh the damage if we can provide that that would then be appropriate for you to issue the approval then we can go back to D and uh D would then authorize us to repair our wall which is a retaining wall not a uh uh sea wall um May I bring her up Mr chairman while Jeremy's doing that and if you want to bring her up um I knowed our last meeting we had talked about this is more procedural than anything else Jeremy did you have an opportunity I you mentioned you have some neighbors from the south they're going to come up and comment tonight do you have did you notify the folks to the north that we talked about last month's meeting uh we do have letters it was the the for I believe I believe so that for this meeting they were we do have copies of certified copies of letters sent to each of those Property Owners to the north of that because there's one gentleman's raising his hand out there so I told you last time there's going to be people here I see one that's out there but I'm just curious did you take constructive notice and notify the property owners to the north I know you have one here from the south presumably favorable that wants the wall do you have those that you can present to them to let the commissioner know I'm I'm assuming you want them to make decisions to give you permission to move forward so I'm just asking do you have that so you can provide that to the Commissioners and the clerk um I will while while um Mr wac is uh doing that all get look at the letters and and determine what meeting it uh was noticed but they were provided notice uh uh I'll have to check to see if it was for today and you understand the point of my question for them to make decisions they want to know that the constituents have that notice that's we talked about last month and I believe we also uh uh physically um have been in contact with them as well reaching out to those indiv idual owners asne you understand they have to verbate obviously talks about aders effects to adj Property Owners which is a Paramount concern to Commissioners to make any kind of decision may I also ask you uh the specifically under the flood plane and the issues that uh um for the Emergency uh order do you have the code provision so I can check to make sure those letters and I'm not not saying you're wrong I just want to make sure that those letters for that specific purpose were required I know they are for the variance but I don't recall them being for when you're requesting under the statute for the Emergency uh ORD um okay to dumb it down where we don't get this rabbit hole and we'll be here five years talking about this it it's it's really simple and again you said retaining wall and you said SE wall two three times in your deal the difference between a retaining wall and a sea wall is one is not below grade and one is above grade and the ones that the county has permitted north of of this situation is it zero or higher and and the county did not permit a seaw wall because that's below grade so that's really all we're discussing today the county will give you a zero retaining wall today that no problem the building department will will sign off on that today and give give you the permission to go get your permit what the county will not do is unless the board over rules is give you a permit for a seaw wall and what you have today is something that is somewhere around we say 14 ft the other day 18 last 18 and the gist is it was done by an after Thea permit from D the county did not permit a seaw wall so again retaining wall above sea level above grade zero or above below is is is a seaw wall above is retaining wall that that hopefully will get us to the point that's all we're discussing here is the County Commission going to agree to permit them a seaw wall to let them rebuild what they have done without County permission again the county knew about it County didn't make them tear it down that's all we're asking and I don't know about wave action and all this other stuff and who's going to sue from the North or the South and whatnot but the only question you're asking them to do is let you have a seaw wall is that correct retaining wall because you where where's the I respectfully asked where is your definition of I'm official and I get to say what it is and the county has a Prohibition on SE W the count on seaw walls plan the county comp plan has a Prohibition on seaw walls I have to enforce that and and this is a seaw wall you also enforced the definitions in the flood plane ordinance that either this or another learned uh commission adopted provided for the definitions so if we're going to enforce we need to enforce the entire code and if the entire code says four definitions in the flood uh plane ordinance if there is not a defined term it directs you where to look at it and it directs you to the Florida building code and under the floring building code this below uh uh uh you know the the other criteria you're adding does not have that okay you understand that's a a flood plane order that's not the comp plan but let I think the planner can explain and one of the things I just wanted to point out the thing that when I was asked to issue an nocc a notice of construction consistency but to D for the seaw wall when I look at the code I have to go from the comp plan the Land Development regulations the flood plane ordinance there's more than just one code you can't pick out which ones work for you and which ones don't so I look at the comp plan me and you have had this discussion there is something in there it says it does not allow seaw walls also in the comp plan there's another section in there that goes against that that says in your area in an emergency situation that you can have seaw walls so therefore me and you had the discussion that I said that's a Saving Grace for you because we don't give variant on our comp plan that would require a comp plan Amendment which I'm sure those board would not be willing to do but so we had a work through on that the problem where you ran into the roadblock is our County Land Development regulations I have a copy of it here I can tell you where it's at in 4.1.0 five go to special uses and it says new rip wrapper simil Shoreline stabilization techniques minimize shoreline erosion new construction of vertical seaw walls in coastal areas will be prohibited that's that's period that doesn't ask for a definition that's and in the Land Development regulation It also says that the building official has the right to determine it's to his determination of what a seaw wall is one other definition I've looked up you can look up millions of affordable code Webster's Dictionary or any other that you want to use and one of the other main defining things of a seaw wall is also what is its purpose and if its purpose is to stop wave action or Sea action then it is a seaw wall and so I ask you is your wall that you're wanting to put up is it retaining anything or is it actually stopping C action okay and it's stopping the Sea action which makes it a seaw wall not only that but and because I've looked into this too what you're asking for out of the board is you're asking for a variance from the Land Development regulations you don't need a variance from the flood plane because you just said according to the flood plane ordinance you qualify because the flood plane ordinance sends you to the Florida building code Florida building code gives you an out and says that this is what they call a seaw wall the comp plan gives you an out the Land Development regulations does not give you an out the only out you have is a variance from this board which is what you're here asking for is a variance from this board that's the process that I sent you through but just to clarify our stance on while we've made the decisions that we have thank you so but again your none of your code or your comprehensive plan have a specific def definition yes there are Provisions in there in your code that talk about the uh the building the County Administrator um you know defining things and determining but you have a more specific so uh when you're looking at legislation or or code ordinances there's the general versus the specific when you get to the more specific in the flood plane ordinance it specifically indicates that the definitions within this that are not defined will be defined by the Florida building code and Florida building code then defines that that's what you look at so under that I believe we do be we would be able to to do it that way but also uh your comprehensive plan is your over it's like your constitution of your your your how you operate here that specifically provides when you're in this area this specific sensitive area you allowed to build a seaw wall so even if this was a seaw wall we would be permitted to do it and that trumps what your uh Your Land Development code is so you know I think it you I don't believe you necessarily need to go through a variance and you know for my clients to spend $10,000 to know that it's automatically going to you know be denied I mean which it appears it's going to be uh that's probably not the way we want to go we'd rather spend that $10,000 trying to figure out and we're not threatening but you know we have an approval for that wall that the D made a finding that you approved it and um we either want to repair it or uh um you know we want to restore it to the way it was and um I just think there's a lot of Equitable defenses that if you're trying to seek the removal that you're going to have a problem and you know for the owners to to have to spend 200 or two $2.5 million to move it that's $2.5 million reasons why to say hey we're going to hold you accountable County for utilizing your definition following your code exactly and U not just saying wow just cuz we said it um and then also M Mr Novak were you uh and I I can look it up in a moment but for that this specific what we're here for today uh the code provision for the requirement that I notify yes sir I mean what what are you tell us tell us what you were asking us for because we going we we we keep going on and on so what I'd like to do is is is have uh Miss wack come up talk about you know her experience what she sees um and the wave action and discuss you know just because somebody feels that something's happening to people to the north we feel like there's a uh it's damaging in our home there's we got to rely on facts you know Jerry hold on hold on I I don't even think the question far as wave action if we permit that seaw wall and that's what it is when you're below grade it's a seaw wall this next person's going to want to sea wall this next person's going to want to sea wall your Beach is gone there's no beach no no I'm not talk no what I'm saying you'll never have a beach again because you're 20 foot deep behind that wall what what we're saying is you'll have seaw walls all the way down the cake there there's no more no when it was originally permitted respectfully when it was originally permitted it was a retaining under the provisions that you approve I've never I I didn't approve it I wasn't here but what I'm saying is I've never seen a retaining wall that's 18 foot below grade I mean I'm not an engineer now I defer to the engineers but I've never seen a retaining wall that's 18 foot below grade that's so you want to bring this Beth we don't want to be here all night it seem like that's the way we going so Mr chairman just to clarify one other thing we have have not been able to find or see anywhere to where the county has ever permitted a retaining wall or a seaw wall for that area thanks sir I just introduce yourself please good afternoon uh my name is Bethany wac with Cypress environmental and um just um listening to a little bit of this I would like to um clarify um from a permitting perspective um we look at seaw walls are uh uh are typically located on a water body uh on a mean high water line um retaining walls are landward of that they're um uh there's land between um the retaining wall and a the water uh a a water body um so it is a retaining wall versus a seaw wall that's how we distinguish imp permitting uh between the two um in this case I I will just show you in 2019 this was after your renourishment with this wall and there's clearly uh we measured I measured here it's about 135 ft to the wet sand so that would be a retaining wall not a seaw wall um this is the the condition the the normal condition out there um and when it was permitted by DP it was permitted as a retaining wall because it was not down here 135 ft seaward at the water D would not have permitted a seaw wall here which would have been down here at the water because D also does not allow seaw walls on Coastal Waters Coastal beaches like this so D permitted a retaining wall not a sea wall here so so why let me so why would you need a retaining wall so this was done after after a renourishment project here in this picture this is in 2019 okay so this was after your hurricane Michael renourishment project so I I would I would imagine that this was done to protect this property at some point no now when was that wall was put in longan before then was it yes it was it wasn't 19 the wall no I'm just saying you can see the wall in this picture all I'm saying is the erosion project was done long after that well there's been multiple there's been multiple renourishment projects absolutely this is just a a an example yeah of that what we're saying the wall went in long before that I'm I'm going to get there okay so this was your most recent renourishment project that I'm aware of in this area 2019 here because there are no Dunes no vegetation uh exactly what y'all are talk talking about earlier um with your in the with the uh grin project to put that sand back without doing some type of mitigation um it it is um you know uh throwing you know money for not because it doesn't hold so you know I'm sure I don't have to tell y'all that this particular area is one of the highest erosion rates in the State of Florida um uh you know it used to be when I worked for D um it was 12T of a year um and uh and that was you know before uh hurricane opal took out a lot of the um natural um Dune systems that used to be on this beach that helped hold a lot of that that uh a lot of the the the sand um after that um you know you you spent the um resources to to put this beach back in and unfortunately four years later we get this condition um and that's an average of 33.75 Ft uh a year is what happened here so um you know the conversation I think that it was Mr Hammond that said that you know just renourishing a beach without doing some type of mitigation um May I believe it was was you um is probably not a good idea which I completely agree uh with you or whoever said that um so uh that that mitigation is is definitely uh very important but the point is that um you know before this last storm there was a whole lot of beach in front in front of this wall so it was not a seaw wall it it was a retaining wall can I get a motion to extend motion by commissioner second by commissioner husband any opposition motion pass Five go ahead okay EXC thank you um the original um permit that I have for that retaining wall that was shown in that picture um is a d permit um it is shown it is list titled an after the fact permit and um I listened to your previous uh meeting um regarding this uh this subject and there was some reference to the after Thea permit um so when I pulled the permit and actually looked at it they had it talks about some finds of fact which is the basis for why DP issued the permit and at the very beginning of that it states that the applicant with which at was the sunrise sunset uh homeowners association um was granted authorization by Gulf County for construction of a retaining wall based on the local state of emergency Declaration of September the 13th 2010 um it goes on to say an application for authorization then to allow the retaining wall to remain as a permanent structure a permanent rigid Coastal structure seword of the Coastal Construction Control line was then subsequently filed by the applicant which is what the permit was for so the after the fact was not because it was constructed without a permit it was constructed uh in accordance with a Gulf County local state of emergency and then the requirement for them to keep that was they had to then go to D to get a permit to keep the structure there permanently so that tells me that in that state of emergency at the time that there was probably some danger to the structure probably very s similar maybe not as bad as what we have right now so they put in that retaining wall then they wanted to keep that retaining wall there so they applied to D to get the after the fact permit after they had the state uh excuse me the Gulf County emergency order authorization they were granted the permit then after that came subsequent renourishment projects and stuff like that which is why you've got so much beach in front of the wall in pictures like this so it clearly states that it was a retaining wall that was off authorized by Gul the Gulf County emergency order and then subsequently uh authorized to to to remain a permanent uh retaining wall um by De after that so that's here so let y' so it sounded like that was the biggest yeah issue well I I still think one of the things that you know I think Commissioners need to know is that you know scientifically the wave action how the waves come in so that when you hear uh person's commenting without a expert opinion there is no physical scientific way the waves the the angle that they come in would uh impact any structure to the north of us can and can I can I just stop one second okay because we're down another rabbit hole let's just get back on miss the the reason that the county sent a letter for to remove the wall was not because even though I am concerned that we might get sued from Neighbors it's because it no matter which time and I think this wall has been rebuilt several times over the years the original one was 14 15 years ago what 2010 the the county never authorized the seaw wall you can call a dog a cat that don't make it a cat and and and I'm not being ugly although I have had much sleep and and and I just want to get to a to to a you know finalization I don't care what the county does the reason I said that I wasn't being cocky or arrogant the county law the county rules say that I get to make the decision as the building official on what this is I have said that anything below grade is a seaw wall it's common sense to me but it's my decision it's and perfectly fine the County Commission can give you an variance and override me and I won't get my feelings hurt I don't care one way or the other but the the the only way that you can get this approved is for the County Commission to give you a variance and say Michael give them a permit to to rebuild the seaw wall because I considered a seaw wall the law says I get the opportunity to determine I didn't make that up that's what it says that's what it says that I get to make that decision the county as long as I've been here I've been here a long time the county has never approved a seaw wall on the beach now again there has been a seaw wall of the 19 uh 1995 the the oldest the first house on the cape the block structure had a seaw wall uh it was damaging the property whatnot it was red gun's house uh at one point it was 700 ft from that seaw wall to the to the to the gulf I've seen seaw walls I know what a seaw wall is there's a difference between a seaw wall and a retaining wall so even if it looked like this what it looks like say it looks like a SE that it would be a seaw wall my definition has only one thing that matters to me is it below sea level or not but I don't understand what you mean by below sea level what part of it we we permitted one just what th what part of wall is below sea like the top of the wall is not below sea level what what part of the wall are you talking about below sea level like the bottom of the wall I mean I don't understand because we use it as a as a like at the mean High waterline or what like where it starts or the bottom of the wall cannot believe be below C that is correct the bottom of the wall cannot be below this one right now is at least 18 ft I've heard 20 whatever but it wouldn't matter if it was one foot all the other ones that we permitted on the cape have been at zero or higher I think some of them may be higher than that just a little bit further down because it is not a seaw wall because the way I interpret the rules it's not allowed so again the only thing the County Commission needs to decide is if they want to override my opinion I don't care but but really yeah the the the the fact that it may or may not be doing damage to the neighbors is is is not the concern here I mean it's not it's not problem our problem is we can't give you permit to fix this because it it doesn't heard a definition like that that's why I was I've never heard it on a on a vertical vertical definition like that it's always been on on citing you know the location of it because eventually when you put any retain you know most retaining walls in and I think most Engineers can can tell you I mean usually you have um twice as much regardless of where the where where the retaining wall is retaining wall or a sea wall doesn't matter um however much you see exposed you usually have at least twice that in the ground is that aren't you're an yeah is that a fair statement depends on what type of retaining wallet is yeah well I'm talking about like for these these like you know when you do like a vinyl sheet wall or something like that so but earlier you you you said that this was not permitted as a seaw wall pered as a retaining wall the EP doesn't permit seaw walls that's correct now it's considered wave action this is a seaw wall now they they they've looked at it we I've just in preliminary and uh if you issue a letter saying that we can repair it they'll allow us to repair it we talked about this last time this D doesn't look at it as a seaw wall they look at it as a repair of an existing structure um because that they have previously permitted because what the conditions that you're looking at are an atypical condition that was created as a result of the the the storm because you know just just like I mean when you when you do your your renourishment project whether you put the groins in and and and sand builds back or you do that and you pump sand in or truck sand in you know um the conditions that we're in now would be a temporary condition because you know if you if you spend the money to rebuild the beach then in whether it's happens in January or happens next January then then you're going to be back to some condition very similar to this so that's the way de looks at it um is that they permitted it as a retaining wall and now you are protecting property because it's an existing now if if there was no if there was no uh retaining structure there and we were going to go put in a new structure it would be different with de so the portion I'm sorry I'm sorry so the portion that's gone is that's still a repair okay that's a repair to an to an existing structure an existing permitted structure not by the Yeah uh one thing I'd like to point out is so all of us in this room you know or the commission all your staff person attorney the County Administrator we got to live within the code right so we cited to our code Provisions I'd like to uh if if the County Administrator could uh uh provide me I've I've looked for it can't find where you get to ter determine every uh definition uh you you're you know the first part of your your code talks about how you define to codes or you define terms and it specifically says when the provisions in here conflict you have to look at the specific over the General so we have specific Provisions in a specific flood plane ordinance that defines what a it says what a retaining wall is and it refers to the Florida building code and if we're consistent with the Florida building code we're allowed under D so if you have something more General that says you can just you know determine whatever please provide it I'd like that citation and the same thing also respectfully to the council um I don't see a requirement for what we're specifically requiring today to have notice the adjacent owners that would be in a variance we're not asking for a variance today we're asking what you asking for so I think what we we immediately uh because we're still under a an emergency order from the on the State of Florida and we got another another storm potentially coming up here going to cause more damage um uh a request for um you know allow us to do emergency repairs to do the minimal necessary to try to secure it as is to prevent damage to the structures okay and then uh direct your building official not to pursue removal allow us to go through the the process under your code under the flood plane administrative or that provision um for a seaw wall seek approval get the approval we can take that letter over to D would then be approved to be able to to make the repair sorry excuse me retaining wall excuse me retaining wall thank you thank you thank you um for the retaining wall okay and um and then we're going to be doing this groin this groin thing down the road right and that's and we're going to be putting sand back on the beach so it's going to help maybe so you don't have heartburn uh a little bit that and I said it respectfully that there's now going to be Beach potentially hundreds of feet of Beach and that groin that uh structure that you're going to spend 39 million dollars on will then should retain that sand and we're not going to have if you want to call it a a seaw wall still so be it but we have a retaining wall and it's going to be once that sand starts filling in it's going to be back from the beach we're trying to prevent a $2.5 million expense that at the rate of erosion is going to buy them 15 months and then we're going to be back at the same place and I don't think that's fair for our owners you got you need to add something Mr chairman if I can and this was a concern of mine on October 22nd um I think in the abundance of caution and I think as a courtesy from the commission I think you all wanted to give Jeremy the opportunity to come back as soon as possible so on October 22nd I'm just going to try to summarize the discussion it was an open-ended request of the HOA to have Mr Anderson come present to you all I think you've just crystallized your request of the commission which is fine the reason they put this on for November 6 was to get you back in as soon as possible so hopefully give you an opportunity to consult your clients and come up with a good solution one of them was just to basically put that application fee on Ice which we've told the planner to do so you could consult your clients come back and then maybe crystallize what you wanted to do or maybe R strategize on how you wanted to go about it it sounds like you've done some homework you've found out that it's two plus million dollars or whatever it's going to cost to move them that's something for you and your clients and private property owners to consider at this point for this commission under a special meeting tonight you don't have a formal application you don't have what Mr Anderson Just articulated in his request he has I'm assuming professional certified Engineers coming up and offering opinions tonight these are all in Quad judicial settings there is a structure and a process for all this it needs to go through that formal processes one of my concerns was a neighboring Property Owners who's back in the back of the room he just stepped out but obviously he has an opportunity to come speak so my recommendation is for you to submit what you're requesting now because the first one on October 22nd was sunrise HOA formal request emergency declaration proposal okay now they have a very good understanding of what you're coming to ask for you've heard from the staff you've heard from the professionals you've heard pretty much from the Commissioners what they do want to help you and I think that's why we're here tonight but I think on November 26 we'll put on the agenda Mr Anderson I would encourage you to submit something in writing to the planning department come in we're going to swear you in we're going to your staff or your professionals we're going to have everyone in the community notice they're going to come up they're all going to have an equal opportunity the gentleman just walk back in he should have an opportunity to come up and speak everyone should they should be able to offer their professional opinions and at that time once you know exactly what's being asked of you then you can make an informed decision Michael has repeatedly said as the building official of what we have done I believe it was 2002 when it was originally I think going back historically when this was first put in eight years later they came before commissioner joerger and commissioner Peters and they had asked under an emergency declaration the D would give approval for them to put it back in 2010 they issued the permit in 2011 to go back and put it if you go back and read the minutes it talks about a wall it talks about emergency declaration it doesn't talk about anything originally being permitted so I understand your position that the county somewhere along the line permitted this seaw wall which you've heard from the staff they've gone back over 22 years have never found anything so we have nothing in front of the commission to tell you that that has ever been permitted but come on the 26 was my recommendation present it have a formal hearing we're going to swear everybody in and the Public's going to have an opportunity to comment at that time the Commissioners will have an opportunity to make a decision of whether you wish to give him the relief that they're seeking or deny it or give them some other direction um I believe the 22nd there was good direction given to you to give to the property owners out there I think you're all very concerned about the 10 property owners and I think you're trying to help them as best you can but you're also don't want to compound the problem and I understand that you have Property Owners from the south here and I think you know chairman we can go down tonight without swearing these people in and start having public comment where we should do it in the proper structure because I think a lot of the first two meetings on the 22nd and tonight are going to be lost and if we're talking about confrontation or litigation they all need to be part of these transcripts and people are going to have to order these transcripts transcribe them submit them to the courts and they're going to have to read the comments from tonight and from the 22nd to consolidate this issue I would encourage you just to respectfully step back and then you notice it submit your letter and then we'll have a formal hearing on the 26 everything can be encapsulated in that decision and obviously you'll have new officials here as well to make those decisions thank you Mr chairman yes sir you good with that Mr chairman is there uh any anything that uh that we could do potentially uh in an emergency circumstances over the next couple it's still several couple couple weeks away and uh I think go what was the the bags what are they called their Geo bags Geo bags or things like that I think the field administrator can't approve that for D um something that's minimally uh minimal impacts to any of the other owners could we have uh the authority to um approve that or excuse me take that action in the meantime just to just kind of preserve where it's at because every day the waves and with the storm coming in um you know just just throwing uh um you know what's allowed there under the the state of emergency by DP it just gets washed away and that work can be done and that that work can be done behind the the existing wall there's nothing that would be seed of that wall be behind the existing wall where the scene has split okay Jack I thought you said they could do a we we said this before um somehow today this has got severely complicated um for whatever reason but we actually Jeremy all we ask is that you bring us the notice of intent issue and we would look and we would review it today and we would also talk about maybe moving the houses back and seeing what the feasibility was of that as well and somehow we we even talked about it if if it was possible if if de P has they the D are the is the determining Factor on their findings of fact and we we don't have the ability to do that here and I think Jeremy would would our attorney would would agree with that and so we don't I don't feel like we have the authority to to be able to give you the permission to put the wall back without something from d and it was the one sentence I didn't bring the permit with me today but um it was the one sentence that said um something along the lines of no adjacent properties will be affected well since that time has elapsed we know it's been affected so that's why I ask you to bring back the notice of intent to issue and then if we so chose then we could give you a an OCC letter okay but for them to make a you know finding a fact we actually have to have drawn we kind of have to have a little more plan of what we're going to do the D issues notice of intent the issue all the time that's all that's all we ask for and we we just don't have it today okay I got one question well that that's for the longer term solution but for the shorter term solution would that be something that you know the geobags or other behind the wall just to stop any more damage uh while we're finding the final solution Jeremy Jack s your last meeting and told you that you could do above grade retaining wall behind that existing whoa without a permit am I wrong or right no we said the planner and the building official said they would they would permit it yeah above great am I right M that's a temporary fix but we're asking for something even more immediate that the field administrator for D can approve like those Geo bags to place behind the wall you're you're talking about a process where we have to find somebody to do it submit it get approval and you have the ability to authorize us to uh by giving giving us approval to to do those things that P would allow but they say we can't do you can't do anything uh like a Geo bag or anything behind the wall that extensive without knowledge I don't know of any field permit that needs a building permit so so the the St stat the St the statute that talks about the emergency approval of D it's not just you know 100% they can do whatever they want it's very limited on what can be issued and there are still things that require approval the local government if you're going and they're they're they're called trap bags by the way trap bags okay so if you want to use a trap bag I don't know why we would have to permit it because you all you need is a D field permit to do it the Gulf County building department does not issue permits for a field permit from D okay they my my discussions with d indicated that we still needed uh some call D tomorrow and asked Doug aens to give me a permit for and Michael KS to give me a permit for sand on the beach I don't call the building department ask if I can put sand on the beach I mean that's it's as simple as that okay so I'm what I'm saying is we're not taking responsibility for the Trap bag when the Trap bag fails and the houses come down because of the Trap bag behind the wall that's not on that's not we're not I'm not we're not giving you authorization to do that number one you don't have to have it okay we'll um is my understanding of it you're you're putting sand on the beach you you have to have a field permit okay Doug is that correct well I had an email and I'm not sure if it's associated with this project I had an email earlier today from a Geo Flora that basically was talking about using the Trap bags and was saying that D was telling them that they wanted a notice of construction consistency from us and NOC um and well so far trap bags have not been used legally on the gate that I'm aware of right and that you know that would be our other question because our uh ldr and comp plan you know says that the county would be in support of using other things such as Rip wrap and things like that um it doesn't technically call out the Trap bags and so we don't necessarily have anything against them or for them in in in my research that I did so well that could be due to the size of the project too so I mean it depends on once you get past a certain Cupic yard you have to have NOC letter from for those field permits so maybe it's maybe it's the volume is saying and that wasn't an email from DP that was from and Geo Flora Drew Robertson not sure if it's associated with this or if it was someone else but they were uh the it just basically was asking for what was the process for getting a notice of construction consistency maybe if I reframe the question um said they didn't necessarily have an objection to that and your code do does you know contemplate other types could you issue an emergency order to direct staff to if it's if it deemed appropriate to issue a n OCC for um trap bags or similar type of you know emergency sort of repair um you know items or or uh materials to stabilize the wall while this thing gets figured out is I mean we've already answered I've already answered my part there's four other guys up here I've already answered my my part of it my question uh ma'am what's your recommendation to the um to the administrator building official and us for them to solve their problem temporarily scope scope of work what's it going to take for emergency repair well shortterm for for for short for a shortterm solution I mean something like a like a using those bags would be um you know uh would be a reasonable um how many bags short um I'm not I don't know exactly how many bags it's going to take um you know every it would all be behind the wall but um looking at that at that um at that uh split in the seam um you know now a little bit of that wall is starting to lean some so I think you're probably looking at probably on the on the base you're probably looking at somewhere around 10 10 on the base and then you have to and then you have to go up from there so Mr chairman this is what I'll say I mean could could be 12 I mean you know could be could be nine this is what I expect I expect those Property Owners to do whatever they do or whatever they can possibly do to protect their property as a property owner that's what I expect them to ask these people to do and that's what I expect us to allow them to do to temporarily protect their property until they come up with a game plan if they're going to move them back or or come up with a solution or they're going to abandon them one of the two you know if they're going to spend the money so they need AV valuate that so that's that's what I expect our job to be is to allow them to make temporary repairs to get them through until they can decide what they want to do now when you say temporary repairs are you saying put in the tri I say you're not repairs to the wall look man let me tell you this at you know what we talk about less red tape we're talking about less red tape I expect them to do whatever they can protect their assets that's our job as Commissioners to do let's take Common Sense here they they've been there they've been there for a long time but the deal is y'all figure it out what you going to do with your property property owners but y'all repair your property I think you need to repair whatever you can do to stabilize it maybe you get through the winter maybe you don't but come up with a game plan where you gonna move them move them back you know y'all got to come up with a a solution I thought you were going to come with a solution today with us saying you're going to move them back and this what it's going to cost and we've agreed to do this and that's that's where I thought we were going to be today because you've seen over the over the years the erosion and you know it is what it is now but but going forward somebody's got to make a decision is are they going to stay or how long they going to stay you know um Mother Nature is undefeated you know what I mean water and winds two of the most powerful things that in existence today other than God but that's um that's that's the answer I want and that's the answer these guys need to know so I think Jer is not question is uh he's trying to get uh something temporary U to to until he get back before the board in on the 26 um yes chairman is there anything that I mean that he's suggesting that he's suggesting that we cannot I mean can we can we allow without breaking the rules because we don't want to get in trouble with d either allow them to put those bags temporary unless you tell us different the building department will not issue them anything to repair that wall because we can we considered a violation of our comp plan in ldr now bags behind that wall that doesn't do anything to the wall that protects the property I don't have any problem and I don't know that the county has any any uh I mean I don't I know they need a letter of no objection I don't know I don't know other than a field permit what they would need to do that I don't think there's anything that they would have to get from Guff County to do those emergency protection me I don't know if it' work either those bags but but what I think they're asking to do is repair the wall I mean that's the whole point of the thing that why we're here today and and you know my interpretation is it's a violation of the rules I had to enforce your rules if you want to give them a bearance to that at that 26 meeting do it but I do think we need to put it bed one way the other let let me ask you this give me your recommendation on the tri out bags and let's move forward you and Clay give me and Ja give me a recommendation and we'll we'll put this to bed now and and I'll let clay speak for your as long as it's not repairing the wall it's just showing up something I don't think we have to do anything they can do that without any approval from the county okay well they they they say they need this letter and the problem is commissioner is we don't have a plan we don't know if they're going to put the bags on the landward side of the wall and jeopardize more of the wall it could hurt them I don't I don't want to hurt the owners that's what we're I'm trying to fight for them just as much as they're up here trying to fight just as much these experts are and and their attorney but we have to we have to have a plan to see what they're proposing to do and right now we don't I mean is a trap B going to go on the seaward side to try to protect the wall That's remaining that's we I I just we don't we don't have that information with us for us and that was what I was going to reiterate every it's my office we issue the no's every day um for D usually what has turned into my office is a set of plans it's a set of plans that says this is the same set of plans that we're submitting to d d wants you to look at these and make sure that they're not against your comprehensive plan any of your ordinances or Your Land Development regulations and then I actually reference those plans in my letter I say per my evaluation of plans so and so dated this date Pages this this and this by this engineer we have no problems with them and so that way when D gets my letter they look at it they compare it to the plans that they reive to make sure it's the same ones that I reviewed and then they know that the county has no problem with it but that's how a notice of construction consistency is normally done it's based on a set of plans that's turned into my office Mr chairman they're talking about three weeks and if I can work with Doug tomorrow if it's okay with the commission Mr Anderson specifically has asked for some relief in terms of these trap bags so if we can narrow the scope I'll put the language in there obviously holding the county harmless and indemnifying you all and the public from this decision this is what this is their representation asking on behalf of those 10 owners I'll work on the letter we'll narrow the scope we'll provide that to Mr Anderson for the next three weeks it'll give them some relief to stop any further uh outflow and they can come back at the end of the month hopefully with a full public Hearing in quasi judicial setting they can ask for their relief at that time and I'll help Doug hopefully get that letter together tomorrow that'll take the burden off the county for at least the next three weeks until we can get to that meeting if that's acceptable to the commission and then and it hopefully gives Mr Anderson what he's asking for right now you're good with that commission yeah absolutely all right so uh let ask this do we need you need a motion anything just Mo make a motion to authorize the attorney and the planner to come up with that limited scope and then to find the county and your decision this is what the property owners want he's representing that and we'll just do it for the next 21 20 days and this is not a repair to the wall no sir we're going to specifically state that this is no repairs to the wall this is to mitigate the uh erosion further I'll make that motion motion by commissioner mome second second by commissioner husman any further board discussion anyone in the public in the public on this you yes come on up state your name for the record please give me your address Mr chairman I believe sir you're you live to the north of this property 91 thank you sir Daniel cber yes sir go ahead 3891 capes and blast thank you sir Mr Rich awesome response Common Sense approach awesome so nothing against sunrise sunset I know Michelle I know sever the other owners uh they're going to get to make temporary repairs uh I think we all can agree that that's kind of Ground Zero there um does that allow us myself Johnny the one beside to directly to the north to make the same type of temporary repairs or do we need to wait till the 21st until the next hearing or or you know what does that allow us to do uh I've been talking to Michael kurs about possible options and really what it comes down to us or to me is does it make Financial sense to save the house or walk away from it I've got I've got a insurance inspector that I was supposed to meet there today everybody knows I've already got a condemned sign on our house um I've had Monica come out and take a look at it whether it's structurally sound based on what br wanted to do or not what he wanted to do but the fact that he considered it condemned which I completely get I understand no running water no sewer completely get it so what does that what does that allow for and I don't think John's here but um what does that allow for the the owner sunrise sunset directly south of them us directly north Johnny directly north because it's kind of like a six house area right there what does it allow us to do should we wait what what what options do we have yes sir I understand that question I think the outcome which they have open at the public comment they haven't made an action yet but there's a motion a second to issue a limited letter right now there's really nothing being permitted to Sunset um to come back at the end of the month make their formal petition between the county you all can come to that same meeting and offer your comments and and that's one of the commissioner's concerns is that they set a precedent so if they do allow something to happen there then that would be a logical question for you and your neighbors to be well is that something that we're allowed to do as well but the proper setting will be at the end of the month we'll swear everybody in we'll have it noticed we'd encourage you to bring your neighbors out all the people the same concerns but right now there's nothing being allowed until we get to the end of the month when they can all hear it together any way to attend that meeting via teams or we're going to be out of the country we there's a live stream on those meetings so I we can be sworn in we can do all of that uh I don't know the technical part of that but I think Dennis might I don't think so yeah but you might want to have someone be a spokesperson for you that could come to the meeting you know and you can also submits uh opportunity submit written testimony as well beforehand that they can consider as part of it okay any kind of I just a letter to the commission if you wanted to write them if you're not going to be here no expert Witnesses or anything like that because some of the stuff that Monica I have been talking about is and I got a call Brad tomorrow about this is from from her from the way that I understand it is there really is no way to determine what erosion is going to do in the future that it's it's what it is today what what can we do today and uh um although I understand the commission's position and and completely agree with the the the condemn sign you know with the situation that it is it's going to be hard at least my opinion is it's going to be hard for myself Johnny to get the necessary things in place the grinder pump which has obviously been changed from a maintenance program to now we're responsible for it get water run to it do the things that need to a driveway which is a completely another disaster um with I think what what Brad was looking for is some kind of um some kind of statement from a from an engineer saying hey this is this house is structurally sound for x amount of time but but I I don't know that anybody's going to step out on that you know and and put their license at risk to say hey 60 90 120 days from now it's going to be fine because I don't think anybody in this room thinks it's going to be fine 120 days from now I haven't actually been out on the cape I came straight here six hours north of here uh particularly for this meeting to meet the insurance adjuster uh actually I talked to Michelle she said the The Situation's even gotten worse since I was here three weeks ago so um just kind of wanted to address to answer your question you said would it help and I would say this to you the same thing I've told them for 15 years at the end of the month there'll be different faces sitting up there I would encourage you to submit anything you can to make the Commissioners as well informed on the decision before they make it it's the same thing the staff does on a weekly basis so if you your neighbors professionals can offer things to the County elected officials so they can take it all into consideration before they make these decisions I'd always encourage you to do that if you can attend have other folks come for you if you have professionals submit that as well I'm sure Mr Anderson is going to do the same with his staff and his help so the Commissioners can take it all in at that time and then make an informed decision so I'd encourage you to do that one last question uh and and I've only had two Communications with Mr CRS we have looked at a another option but it is um to to what my definition what I think it is it is a a what I would call A A Rip wrap wall kind of like the rock wall but it would be completely underneath the footprint of the house is it my understanding that those are not allowed to help support the structure or or sure of the structure you can't have a you can't have a seaw wall but if it's if it's tied to the foundation of the house we just have to look at it I mean from from and I haven't got drawings PL I I kind of pushed the pause button on that when when this happened or the last meeting that was on the video and this one so the way that I understand it in very basic terms it's it's a loow it's several loads of rock underneath the footprint of the house around the pilings up to the road I don't just off the cuff I can't see an objection that we would have to that okay because that would I got a $10,000 fee to pay for for retaining him plus the license fees the engineering fees and I just kind of said before I do all of that it's a it's a financial decision for me is it worth $150,000 to save a $1.2 million house look at those trap bags too if I may Mr chairman I'm just trying to help I don't want to get us in the I'm all open to help I mean those those trap bags they've been used successfully in South Florida um I tried to call D the the person was out until November the 5th um so I tried to call him last week in preparation for today uh I personally never never spec them out but um I would I would definitely look into the Trap bag if they put a trap bag in I think your best case is to work with your neighbors in this case and and kind of follow a suit um which is ultimately why we don't want to wall there what about um in connection if if from what I understand you're y'all will possibly allow the Trap bags as a temporary um common sense to me says that it needs our property would need to be connected to their property to avoid the erosion or the water wash in is is there a problem with connecting to the existing seaw wall or directionally to the corner if Michelle problem I mean talk talk to your engineer and see what if you're using Monica she does she does a great job um Mike where they mentioned Mike that he does a great job too um I I would the so the Trap bags come and I don't want to extend this out any further than we have to but the Trap bags come like an accordion folder more or less they're like 4x4 4 foot by four foot by 4 foot they have a Geo fabric lid that goes over the top of them that can can be fastened and they hold the sand inside that bag so they're not the most you know aesthetically pleasing along Cape sand blast but if they eventually will stop you know sand particles the Wind Blows the sand sand hits the bags velocity of the sand particles equals zero it gravity takes over and it falls to the ground so is it's as simple as that so ultimately those sand those trap bags are trying to build the Dune system up um now they're somewhat temporary because that lid comes open of storm comes or waves hit the lid the sand comes out of them but I think in saying all that you may look at like a teered system um maybe try to connect and to try to Salish what you have I have stopped at your house and looked and and you need to try to save what you can uh then you could maybe start back filling and things like that with regular sand material um and the the Rocks May jeopardize the pilings that's what that's just kind of what Jason now we we were just kind of throwing around ideas Michael C again it's very preliminary I just D has some some guidance on on what you should use there as far as Rip wrap goes um some some sizes um I so you might want to look at that too but a plan have some kind of plan when we when we reconvene back here yes sir present to you guys yes sir Monica can draw it up you know whoever you're going to use for engineering she can draw it up and and I if it's all right I'll I'll try to help you I can I don't want to get myself or the board in a bad spot but I want to help everybody but um that's what we wake up and do every day so um yeah I would I would definitely get with her and see uh maybe some different sies of aggregate and and those trap bags and maybe do a series of those trap bags getting up to it as it comes up catches more builds the dunes up hopefully plant start growing it holds that long maybe we can all hope right ain't a whole lot of anything growing there now thanks for your time guys thank anyone else what you uh what you say I was just saying you still have that pending motion that was public comment on that motion sir okay all right yeah yeah State got to state your name again address Maria Thomas keep s BL Road um I just thought uh one thing occurred to me we have that 291 page document from mrd Associates describing the current state of the erosion and then what it would look like over sixy year various periods of time with or without adding sand with or without the break Waters and with them without like 20 or 30 different variations of the break Waters but as part of that we have evidence from these Doppler I forget the term of the they have basically dopper Doppler devices measuring the current erosion and we can look at those documents I was I'm I'm not an engineer I have a PhD in a different area of science but if you can look at those documents we can see the current erosion and what is projected forther erosion in the coming years and there's no increased erosion to either side of the sunrise Seas set or sunrise sunset condo so I I don't own there but I'm trying to help trying to help my neighbors I was just thinking that we do have this document which is a scientific basis um collected paid for and um demonstrates that there's no increased erosion on either side so I think that could help um in that interest so I just wanted to share that thank you man' anyone else all right any opposition to that motion all right motion pass Five all right item f Road name change fill of dreams to Church Avenue We Ready the church's B building permits and uh so the staff's recommendation to change it to church Avenue any questions on this right entertain a motion Mr chairman I have a speaking form from Miss gasin she wanted to speak on it apologize for that who you got we had made it yet go ahead yeah Sharon had filled a form out to talk on I'm sorry guys state your name and address for the record please my name is Sharon gasan I'm the CEO of North Florida child development and our um business has been on the Field of Dreams Road since 2013 and I was just questioning the um uh what I would like to ask the board if you could uh refrain from making a decision about a change of the road until the new um people are uh sworn in all right any any questions i' I've got a lot of business uh tied to that stuff I'll have changed a lot of federal documents we federally State and locally funded so it's going to be quite an inconvenience a timely inconvenience for me to change everything that we have in place including our grant applications so my question is can um can you hold off on any decision to be made and I will I will come back with whatever documents I need to to leave it at as it is you you just wanted to keep it as fil of Dreams yes sir don't to I mean I realize they and they're great neighbors we've we've already you know loaned to our parking lot and and U I don't I don't want to cause a lot of controversy about it but it did have a it did had a vision there there was a vision to build a ballpark there but wherever whatever the road is a Field of Dreams could fit most anybody's idea I don't know if anybody thought it through that I'd been there for 13 years not that I own the road um I did apply for the money through cdbg and um it it was funded completely by them we even had the road light uh lit but um I think uh Mel said he didn't want the road lit because the city would be paying for for maintaining the road but we had um we had our property um annexed into the city so that from you guys I don't know if you have it in your records or you should have where that property was owned by the county or in the county jurisdiction and then we um we were gifted the two and a half acres that I sit on and then the Uplands uh that the other 50 something Acres is also part of the city but I I just was curious why the change and and I know it's the church but I I've spoken to a couple of people there but I don't really know why we need to change it it has a name is what I'm saying got I don't know what your ordinance is about Road changing but when it already has a name why would you change it there is a another business there too besides mine right the Dollar General is there okay but I I would appreciate your consideration to you know leave it as it is or you know give our new people which this hadn't been in any history Mr Rich this is not history something you've been working on it's just new and I don't want it to be a problem for anyone especially our new neighbors so thank you all very much thank you Miss gas all any questions commissioner oh you I mean you want to elaborate on any Field of Dreams to Church Avenue Michael do you have request to change we did and and again I if it was named firehouse and there's not a firehouse on it that probably don't need to be Firehouse Lane it's fix to be a church on it some of the church folks it has to change the name there is no Field of Dreams uh there's not any plans to have one anytime soon I mean it some juncture that might maybe get money this same thing hit the lottery tomorrow uh but again I 61 half do than me I don't care come on back come on back up Miss gas please I'm sharing gaset again uh do I need to submit something to you that you'll make a decision on at the next meeting to keep it the same or or is that decision being made now I mean it could it could change we could make that decision I mean right now but I me we we we understand that you don't we don't that you don't want us to yeah don't don't want it change you want to stay as the same and I guess that's going to be up to if we going to okay delay the decision or or make that decision now or leave it as it is I mean we can we can actually we can do that also your District your church yeah motion to approve second I got a motion by commissioner MCR uh second by commissioner far any further board discussion on this anyone in the public on this any opposition to the motion all right motion pass Five and0 administrative report and update Mr chairman I'll try to be quick uh we need on page 17 uh request to certify the environmental review for the Washington gym project C got this you me say anything all right entertain a motion motion by commissioner far second by commissioner mome any further board discussion on this one anyone in the public on this one environmental review any he opposition to the motion motion pass Five Mr Kramer sent me a uh proposed mou over the weekend uh it's in your packet 18 through 30 uh to put one more uh low waterer Crossing on S Creek Road it it has uh they' taken out the thing that we objected to and they're doing concrete uh I see no problem with it I need Jeremy to review it but upon his review if we could execute that uhou uh they've agreed to keep the entire Road open to the public and you know all the things that that we were concerned about so it's an improvement it'll it'll help and uh stabilize the road and and not blow out when we have high water events so all right any questions Commissioners yes sir yes um just the maintenance on that I hadn't read the agreement but just the maintenance uh if it does blow out I I don't I don't think that we objected because they wound up not doing the The Rock they're they're going to do solid concrete so C in place yeah gas in place yeah so I I I don't see that as a problem but but I did not U I can ask that if we won't to but I we we've already got three on the road I believe that's right I got make three that I mean yeah this then this would be four so I mean we got to maintain the other one so I don't and this would be a lot better than what we got so I I don't I don't see any problem it it's in there A4 covers Us will not be responsible Commission I'm assuming it's their commission not our yeah it's it's spelled out that it's us that was the whole reason I asked for it to be concrete not the rock because I mean The Rock will go away and then we would have a maintenance problem so well I mean as far as maintenance goes we are this is the best thing you can do correct in my opinion um it's not we asked for articulated block and they were here earlier and they've given us a full cast and place lab so the maintenance will be ours though correct so the maintenance will be ours correct yes sir yeah it says the commission will not be responsible for maintenance and they we're the board and they're the commission okay but we we're already going to maintain the other three correct and and given the fact okay I I ask them to do this in Li of the other to keep us from having maintenance I I think we're cover I wish of the bo motion to approve all I got a motion by commissioner husband second by commissioner any further board discussion anyone in the public on this any opposition to the motion motion pass Five I just wanted to bring up number 12 quickly we can't have anything nice or new without somebody screwing it up uh Madison Avenue was perfect and uh one of those Jack legs that have been destroying stuff all through the city doing those fiber lines hit a city uh Maine uh blew out the entire intersection so I mean did a lot of damage so I'm unleashing Jeremy on them to make sure that they pay all the cost and we're going to put it back as nice as we can possibly put it back so Roberts and Roberts jump right on it and hopefully we'll get some satisfaction but it is depressing when we got something nice that uh it goes away and and Roberts and Robert said they want to let that compact yeah days before they a lot things lck extremely positive Matt still here and I see the fire chief from southg got great news on our ISO ratings The White City the beach southg cityport St Joe and City we all all uh was went through the iso deal earlier it's pain in the rear end but White City and the City of Port St Joe and the City of weall maintain their five rating which is great even better than that the cape and and uh the beaches went down to four which is low you can get without having a paid fire department so it's great kudos for our our fire chiefs and our fire departments and we still trying to get some more more uh in a position where they can be raided oh yeah kudos to the Chiefs on those fire dep departments and uh I'm going to say kudos to Mt hering too I agree he he he dots eyes and crosses the te's and and uh I I just want to say you know that affects everybody's insurance and I appreciate the work these guys especially my chief on the south end down there my Mike do I know he can get under people's skin sometimes but he does a great job and he runs it like a fire department and uh uh did you bring that in with you uh M's got something he wants to give mat uh giving out gifts one of the many things I have learned since I've been the chief is um trying to chieve about 30 people like herd and cats and when I look at the the county and I look at Matt's job as the fire coordinator he's got nine departments so um it's pretty daunted task plus everything else he has so um one of the things that we wanted to do for South Gulf is we wanted to present him with a leather shield for his fire helmet so so that way at the big fires when there's trouble we know who to point to I'm glad he did that I was going to give him a big Christmas bonus but since he did that that that'll save us you still got the floor M we need to uh and again we've got two new Commissioners we might ask them to but I need to set a date for our uh December 16th or 17th for our uh Christmas meeting that we move uh we got to advertise a uh pdrb hearing and uh I need to tie that down when we can get the advertisements done if y'all could see if those dates are good one of those dates or or come up with that's the best for me doesn't have to be that it can't it can't be earlier than 16th or 17th so you 16th or 17th is is uh so it'll be Monday or Tuesday it needs to be that week or later I'm assuming we don't do it the 23rd 24th so the pdrb will be on the 16th that that is the game plan but for advertisement purposes we need to do it that time so all right 17 Mr mmore December 17 good good everybody good okay so if you'll call that for uh 9:00 on uh December 17th and we'll get those things advertised move our meeting to December 17th oh it's GNA be a special meeting December 17th you want move the regular meting you going to call a special meeting but we're moving the regular meeting we cancel the December Christmas meeting we need a motion on that if if you're good I'm good we'll advertise it the board's good that's that's fine um we didn't get as much as we wanted but we got a little bit we I'm getting beat up uh I I'm good I'm I'm good with us lifting the burn band if you want to go back to normal permitting all right y good with lifting the burn B good yes sir motion lift the burn B sub Move Motion by commissioner phell second second by commissioner husman any further board discussion anyone in public on lifting the burn B any opposition to the motion motion pass Five and0 I I uh I need permission to execute a lease for our water sites from Deseret that's the sites from U basically Cypress Creek back to White City we we're going to lease five sites from them uh for whales the water management is going to put the first one in basically where the school bus turnaround is um at Whitfield Hill all right any questions on that any questions for that good all right entertaining motion we move forward at leas Mo by commissioner far second by commissioner Rich any further board discussion on this anyone in the public on this any opposition to that motion all right motion pass Five and0 Christmas got that yeah yeah I got this so I I knew we talked about this a while ago uh he it's probably been six seven months ago in reference to the uh the uh decorating of the front of the courthouse and and we went out for we went out and got a quote for it in reference to the lighting and I I I asked them the other day cuz I thought about it I said I thought I thought we had already approved it and can we go ahead on move forward getting the lighting done so we can make sure courthouse is looking looking good for the holidays and not only for the holidays but the the lighting package that we're going to get is going to also be able to be used during other holidays or Veterans Day or whatever we we chose to use it for but for some reason I thought uh I think we dropped the ball ball somehow I did I I'll take okay yeah you dropped the ball I did yeah and so this is suppos this is has has uh I thought this had you know supposed to be done already but somehow dropped the ball so I need to get a motion to goad on move forward with the lighting uh quote that we got in reference to getting and what we're going to do we're gonna get all three sides done U the front side and the two sides on the back so we got a quotee on it and it's going to be a permanent fix we won't be able to you know uh it's going to be nice something like TDC has also but um if you're over on Mexico Beach you see uh 9 9 98 real got it too there's a lot of more people that got it but it it looks great and I think it's going to be great for the holidays and other occasions also but it the total was uh 1497 75 uh if I we can get a motion comes with a 10e warranty to move forward we getting it done because I like to have it done for the holidays if we could get a motion to move forward what I greatly appreciate so move all right got a motion by commissioner phell can we pay for that out PDC we can't second second by commissioner Rich for lifetime warranty 10 years all right any uh any questions anyone in the public on this any opposition to motion I motion pass Five and0 last thing I have real quick before you get to your last thing I hope uh you've got some great folks that work for you can't say enough enough about uh Matt and Carrie helped a lot too she's not here tonight but uh on those ISO things that's it's real pain but again the the the amount of money that that saves the people uh and again we're we're trying to to get a few more uh Highland View hopefully would be next and maybe Stone Mill then but getting the people trained getting the the things they need to to be able to get ISO rated where they at least get insurance or get cheaper Insurance in some of those cases uh I want to say Sylvia of course she works for clay she don't really don't work for me but uh did an exceptional job with the TDC campaign that was an overwhelming vote that we got it it's very important and I think that the uh campaign and the marketing that they did all inhouse uh was exceptional got the word out let people know what the benefits were and all the good things that come about it and and I want to tell you thank you because a very good job it's all I have that you all right uh oh I apologize I missed what you got I don't how how did I how I I guess I started way down the list when we were doing deals I've got one through four real quick on those the two ships and three change orders I can sign change orders but since these were Grant related Sherry out of abundance caution says we got to do it so if we could approve those two ships and those three change orders all right what's so what we got the first one is uh ship bid 24251 uh we are requesting to award to the low bidder that is at 3550 for core gain any questions Commissioners I entertain a motion that we move forward and award so Move Motion by commissioner mccr second second by commissioner husman any further board discussion anyone in the public any opposition to the motion all right motion pass 5 and0 the next one is 24 22 uh this is again a ship rehab bid we do not have enough funding to fund the lowest bid how however long-term Recovery Group has agreed to come alongside and uh let's try to get this uh property up to code so the county is specifically requesting to pull out specific items of that bid for total Award of 37300 for this bid and that is for man any questions commissioners entertain the motion we award so Move Motion by commissioner husband second second by commissioner Farah any further board discussion anyone in the public on this any opposition to that motion right motion pass Five and0 Mr chairman page nine in reference to bid 22 23-15 that's the phase one road project uh recommendation is to uh for an increase in that contract $1 15,23 111 for the addition of Eagle Street South Canal and Hardy Street and over Street this is paid by our DP Grant any questions on this commission so Mr chairman all I got a motion by commissioner husband second second by commissioner farell any further board discussion anyone the public on this any opposition to that motion I motion pass Five and page 10 bid 22 23-34 it's the phase two Road Project in Highland View this is a deductive change order of $ 343,387 2 C all right entertain a motion so moved motion by commissioner Rich second by commissioner farell any further board discussion anyone in the public on this any opposition motion pass 5 and0 page 11 bid 23 24-2 the phase three Road Project which is Madison Avenue deduction of $607 7338 entertain a motion so Move Motion by commissioner MCR second second by commissioner husband any further board discuss question anyone in the public on this one any opposition motion pass Five and0 good that's it all right uh commissioner uh mccr let you go uh just want to say we U commissioner frell commissioner Ridge it's been a pleasure to serve we y on this board and and uh just wanted to take this time to uh say uh I've enjoyed it and uh learned a lot and just want to uh wish you all well on your future endeavors thank you thank sir appreciate it commission H you got yes sir thank you Mr chairman I just want to say um these guys have been a great mentor for me and I've really enjoyed working with you but coming on the board um on a moment's notice more or less uh considering like commissioner rich said earlier considering how how fast the government moved it's uh it's it's definitely eye opening and even with the background it really is a experience that you can't even describe really so uh having these guys on here was was very helpful for me uh all all four of them but I just want to let y'all to know that I really appreciate the the mentorship and and the experience that you all were were able to help with thank you sir thank you good luck absolutely thank you commissioner and I I would just add uh appreciate you guys uh this job is not easy man I mean I can think of many long nights you know yeah right tonight right tonight so I mean and and some days you come in here you like hey you know we smiling and some days we go out we hurting you know because of you know because you get beat up a lot you get beat up in this job a lot you know but the the good thing is we always get we get to go home and and regroup and then come back again but you guys have been you know champions for your your districts and uh and champions for Gul County you know you all have uh supported uh my projects and and every other project and I really appreciate you guys uh I know you asleep well now you'll sleep trust me you'll sleep a little better now uh but thank you guys for everything you've done you've accomplished for your District um and your projects going forward the new commission I'm pretty sure going to run going to run with what you guys have started uh so thank you for everything youve done for your district and for Gul County we really appreciate it on behalf of the board we got a couple things we want to we want to give to you commissioner David Rich for his exemplary Service as district one commissioner from October 2017 through November 2024 presented this sixth day of November 2024 by the board of County Commissioners thank you for your service one with everybody in a second same to you commissioner uh farell with our greatest appreciation we hereby present commissioner phell with his Exemplar Service as District 3 commissioner from November 2020 through November 2024 presented this six day of of November 2024 by the board of County Commissioners thank you sir sir sir we need to get one with all with all the Commissioners okay all right commissioner Rich you want to say anything uh yes sir hey I tell you what uh it's been an honor and a privilege to serve as commissioner of Gul County I was appointed in 2017 by then uh Governor Rick Scott and and um and I like I said I've learned a lot and uh it's I I tell you what it's it's um it's been a whirlwind you know what I mean I wanted to do so many things and we did a lot and uh the first thing that um I did was complete the park at Howard's Creek for commissioner Freddy Whitfield you know and we name that playground after him so um and in continuing with Parks we're going uh remodel gasin Park you know next and and we got some Paving projects going on in the area and um redoing the Dow Keith Road and and uh Lake Grove Road and a road and a landing um so so many things yet to come I don't know probably close $15 million worth of projects on the North in the county couple of bridges new fire trucks new um new ambulances new equipment uh Continuing Education and Training for the um you know for the fire um for the volunteer firemen so um man it's just it's just been it's been been a great experience um going to Tallahassee and um Champion our cause here locally for home Ru in Gulf County going to Washington DC and uh Champion our cause with our Senator and our um um and our house representative representative then and uh just um lobbying for this money and these $150 Million worth of projects we got going on right now it's just been a um it's been a great tenure here so anyway um thank you Mr farell yeah it has been uh it's been challenging but it's been extremely rewarding it's been great working with the staff I mean you guys do absolutely fantastic job when you're on the outside looking in you don't quite understand it when you get in and see what all y'all do and how good you are at it and how blessed we are to have y'all it's amazing I mean just the the you know the team I I appreciate these guys especially reiterating what chairman said you know I do think we're all for all a Gulf County you know and that's important we're a great County and hopefully stay that way for many years and I I consider a great PL uh you know privilege to have done what we've done and uh wish the the new Commissioners very good luck and um you know I think we're coming in hopefully some clearer Skies nationally we get some more stuff done so but uh thank you guys very much appreciate yes sir yes sir sir you want to say something i' do real quick because uh but I'm ready to go and I think we're all ready to go get something to eat uh I like what commissioner rich said that Mark he attributed the mark that that the train runs on people get on people get off staff Commissioners whatnot I I just we we we he and I are family but but the staff gets attached to Commissioners just like we would a family member and so it's bittersweet y'all are going on something different we got new guys coming in that are going to do a good job we look forward to working with them uh I appreciate this board I we've had some rough boards over the years I was on the board we had some turbet times 25 30 years ago you can agree and you agree to disagree and not be disagreeable it's easy for the staff to work for a board that that gets along and no matter what your decisions are that gets along so staff appreciates y'all and look forward to to better things for y'all and and to the new guys coming in Mr know that I just wanted to congratulate both Commissioners and thank them both for their service to the county um it's been a tremendous honor to work for you um watching you guys operate each day and tirelessly working on behalf of the districts so I greatly appreciate you both commissioner Rich commissioner frell um and it's rare that we have the opportunity to embarrass a commissioner but when it does happen we take that opportunity so big Jim wants to sing um it's Mr frell's birthday today so we so Jim want Jim's got a special birthday song he wants to sing so this was not me you want to come up there yeah come on no come on a lot of no come on up here we want to make sure we get this on camera I I was wondering why you stayed around so long I uh I've enjoyed working with y'all I've told you in the past but I'm not here for that purpose it's Patrick frell's birthday and we need to sing him happy birthday so will y'all please join me because I'm not an acapella happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday dear Patrick happy birthday to you I guess you don't want to hear my two page [Applause] report all right we good cheer anything you want to say you good everybody good everybody good move toour been a long meeting entertain a motion to adjourn motion by commissioner far second second by commissioner h i mean commissioner MCR the opposition motion pass