Mr Bell can you hear us Mr Bell h [Music] your microphone's on but I don't hear you can you hear us yes I'll I'll speak I'll speak with my face
this way I know well next sorry I'm just trying to get Mr Bell where he can talk y'all hello good morning ah there you go all right can you hear
us he's our first presenter repres all right Mr docky okay we good to go we're good to go okay great like to call the to order the February 27th 2025 Architectural Review uh planning board meeting r a roll call
please Mr roach here Mr orwine here Mr Smith here Mr Lions here acting chairman dockerty here also president I'm participating is Town manager Dunham assistant Town attorney Naro and myself uh you received the minutes from
the last meeting in your packet uh you have any comments you can make them or changes otherwise Noone wants to make a motion to approve him please do I I move they be approved as presented second Mr roach all okay Mrs orline yes Mr Smith
yes Mr Lions yes acting chairman doery yes are there any additions withdrawals deferrals arrangement of agenda items for today no sir okay thank you um you see the regular meetings that
roll into the spring and into the summer please make a note of them okay I guess we could uh oh or has there been any exp parte communication no no no okay great Renee could you please administer the
Oaths raise your right hand swear to tell the truth the whole truth nothing okay I guess we'll begin with the first application I believe this involves Mr Bell who uh oh disappeared great
yeah we're having like major issues today it's a wire there we go all right Mr Bell are you there Mr Bell Trey what shall we do can we
present it we can move to the next application and see if he'll be available okay and I'll go call him in the meantime can we do that okay all right then I guess we will move on to our second application
um and let's think where are that's the uh 2562 Avenue O application this good morning good morning you can call me Quinn uh everybody I'm Quinn michas my wife
deferred having my last name when we got married so when I get called Mr Swift she says it's a matter of privilege for me so so uh well thank you for having me here today um in the interest of time I'll try to keep my presentation short um originally we started about three
months ago trying to do a re-roof project on our house and may you may know or may not know of some of the issues you have with source and white tiles and I don't know if you've seen our house our house is on a double lot so originally we thought we just go with a white towel we submitted a slurry coat
um it was rejected and thank you for rejecting it because that decision was made without me and I thought it looked like the side of a refrigerator so you know but and then I told my wife in a tonight it wasn't through and through it
was it was coded coded right it's the best it was the best we could do so then in a moment of nonh humility I told my wife I'm an architect I'll just call it the manufacturer and I'll have some white to made for me and I called them up and they said we can't Source ceramic
tile I was going to go with a white clay tile and we couldn't even Source it because I I have a pretty good relationship so we exhausted that so then we moved on to what we thought was the the best choice for us and we picked a roof tile hello and I'm sorry that
it's called brown sugar because that's kind of a a chuckle for us but um we think it's appropriate for our home uh one because origin the house before when Mrs Miss Swift was Miss Swift before she was Mrs micholas
it was a kind of a Gulfstream Bermuda and I've always told her it was more fashioned to be like a mobile home on blocks I I didn't particularly like it so we we had a couple of additions one we were on one of our lots and we just added about 2 200 square feet and then
we owned the lot to the east of it and we decided to put on a three-bedroom three-car garage my wife is one of 13 children if you come to our house you get a car and you get a basically a house so anybody who wants to travel we
have those accommodations available to you um so now we're dealing with more of a ranch style house just because architecturally I could not establish a Gulf Stream Bermuda feeli to it and I'll just say that the where we live I would
say the architecture is more of a economic Pursuit than an architectural Pursuit because even though we're in Gulf Stream compared to what's on the ocean and compared to what's this side this side has true Gulf Stream Bermuda style architecture with all the discernable features that that
incorporates so when we're dealing with the house just because I have 196 feet of width I thought it was a Fool's errand to try to create a center of a home C to center massing of the home so now the house moves more left to right with a decentralized entry and then also
just per your code it kind of encourages you that take existing styles from the neighborhood and I think you may use the word harmony in that so we borrowed some styles that we liked in the house because there's a a a few houses that are particularly of note in our area
then we have the Spanish Mediterranean which is particular to our district um so that's how I'm here today so I'm requesting the use of our tow brown sugar and a repaint and if you would like I can pick it up and present it to you
[Music] would you like to pass it along or would you like it in the center that's enough for me um and then I also mentioned the the repaint as well and the repaint is directly from the colors that you prefer and that's the end of my
presentation questions well another alternative to white was a was kind of a gray tile and you commented by that in your letter but you just couldn't find a scheme that worked with your gray and the color well just because we have extensive heartscape that's in the taupe family
it's all Browns so we I I I don't know if you've seen our house but it's it's I've wrot the checks for the pavers so we have extensive pavers that are in the neutral family with some Browns and that would just be such a
clash that that that wouldn't be an acceptable choice for us the drive papers in the wall yeah then it's our pool coping and then the rear pool deck and again I don't I didn't put an arrow there but it's extensive how much Paving we
have but you built this original House correct no well the if you say original it's that's going back to the 70s mid 70s I mean the mid 70s I think it was a a George snow house or along those lines and it was basically you did the I did
the two add-ons yes and and when those were done it was classified as a Bermuda style Bermuda correct with the first application that may have been second application I think that just bill and Rita rode with that it's it's
not a Gul berun it's it it's a more of a rant style if you if you even read your own code it has none of the characteristics that you put put as preferred elements in a in a as an architectural stop well I think I think it does have some
uh although it is far larger and longer than a uh than one would expect from a permutive style but uh you know I was just interested in your five page uh letter that you wrote and the
tone of it you know well the tone of it is we are wrong you are right well I'm an architect with 30 years of experience yeah six years six generations of Architects been on TV been all over the world got a lot of things and just
because I'm a resident here doesn't mean I'm not an architect so one of the beautiful you're an architect okay we are a town committee please let me explain so when I get to my house I'm not an architect and I don't have opinions until my wife
told me to have an opinion and I wouldn't represent myself with any less bigger than I would represent a client so understand that I have had differences with boards I'm mainly correct how long it
takes me to prove I'm correct is just a matter of the disposition of who I'm presenting it to so I think that with my knowledge of architecture my knowledge of your code that it cares a certain gravity to it I mean I am the originary
of I'm the I'm the creator of it I know what style I use I know what my education is I know what my training is I know what my past history is so for me to say my own house is rant I don't think that in any way that should be misinterpreted as disrespectful it's
ferent it's because it's visceral I know what it is and that's tone so I'm sorry if you didn't like the five-page letter but when I write letters I'm not really interested in feelings I'm kind of doing a factual presentation what I think the
facts are and I'll just put to you in these terms uh just a short story which I was telling my staff and telling my kids so I was pumping gas at Costco this is a story about perspective I hear a horn Hop look
behind me a lady is in the car come more gas hear the horn hop I look at the lady she's still back there I moved to the back she has a phone with a timer on it and a video camera so you guys I think nothing about that I see a $10,000 Ada
lawsuit so what I'm trying to tell you is I'm an architect and I have a perspective and some things I Keon which you may not think is important but as for me who likes to follow rules I think it's important so that story was some
people saw a lady honking a horn and I saw a lady giving an audible audible call for help for an attendant that never showed up so that's why again you may dis you may dislike the tone of my letter but I'm really
interested in processes so Trey um if it's classified as a ranch house would that then allow the brown roof right so we do have specific um regulations regarding Gulf stre Bermuda and Spanish Mediterranean that are specific to those
architectural Styles um for a ranch home you would just be subject to our general architectural Styles just like any other architectural style that's permitted in uh in Gulfstream I don't think that we would allow a new ranch style house to be built um in town but given that this
is an existing an existing home um and and working with u Mr mlos and understanding his position on the architectural style of the home given the significant changes over time regarding it being now a double lot and extremely wide um you
know we wanted to make sure that he had the opportunity to present that to the board without staff doing that on our own and saying oh this is a different architectural style sure um so really that that's why we're here it wasn't that we um opposed that uh different
classification it was just that that's not something that staff felt appropriate doing on our own um and again given the significant changes that are very unique um you typically will not see anywhere else in town uh you know just even take a golf stream
Bermuda that is a single story on a single lot you know you combine another lot you make it a lot wider I mean it it is changing a lot of things but architecturally I'm not an architect so
okay well I don't like many Architects so you're in good company then um I've seen a lot of presentations over the years and I look at this building and it looks very much
Remuda um and I guess I don't quite understand how you take a auta house stretch it out and now becomes a ranch uh and I I know what a ranch house is my son bought a home in an area he
loves he doesn't love the house he lives in a ranch house and it's a ranch house um this is not a ranch house then Grands I've ever seen now that's my opinion um a question um if we if we were able to
find for you uh through and through white um roof tile would you uh proceed with the white you you won't be able to no my question was if we were able to find it for you probably not because I I don't
believe it exist right thank you well let me qualify that statement let me just tell you why my answer would be no do you know why they don't make white roof tile anymore so go to my house take a look at my 10-year-old addition and see my
yellow white tile that's from Westlake so they can't Source when you work with Clay they can't Source ceramic when you're working with cement they can't cover the cement is gray and the additive that they're using in white
turns yellow and they haven't been able to stop it I had Westlake in my office and Westlake pretty much is the only source right now that there were the last ones to stop making it so the in their process which was in my letter
they are a year or two if they can find the sources because from their their P perspective they look at my home and look at the warranty on the tile and if that tile turns color on a house that's 196 ft wide there going to have a
problem because I I know what I'm paying for my roof so as of right now nobody's making a white tile that's reliable but has a guarantee and when I order tile I can have custom tile made mainly when
I'm dealing with Clay products in any color I want I can tell them how much I want it burnt I can tell them how much Syra cotta I can bend five colors together I can use cap and pan I have pull with those factors nobody's going to make make this for me and that's why
I said if nobody's going to make it for me there's nobody reliable that's going to you're going to source and give it to me it's it's just too much of an investment for so much research that I put in and found out again the reason
why they don't make it is because they can't guarantee it and it's not on the marketplace and I can't take a chance for how many squares I'm paying I have half my house has a yellow white roof the other one that's
15y old roof is white there's no way around that I can't color I can't do anything so that's why it's the reasons no because it doesn't exist in the marketplace and I don't want to be a guinea pig or an experiment you know I note uh Mr michas said on this application 10 years ago
and I believe it's your handwriting uhuh have you seen this where you call the house Gulf Stream Bermuda you want to come take a I don't disagree with that okay I just well that's why we're a little confused this is from
2 I think I explained that in there it's it was custom when Bill Rita here you would sit in this room and they would fill out your application with you and that's what they classified it at at at the time so it was okay so you just filled it out it was not it was not
pertinent to the submitt it wasn't pertinent to what it wasn't pertinent to sub middle I was asking for is that's a permission for the three bedroom three yes it's for the addition of garages and living space it wouldn't change it would have changed their application so why why would I
care how they classified it because that was staff classification that was my I just I didn't know if You' say it just jumps out I know I always explained that and this the same explanation I gave before I thought in your letter you said you weren't aware of it or You' heard of it I just want to let you know which
just just right here no what oh what I said was I'll take your word for it that exist and that ex okay yeah that's what I said just a clarifying point the concern is finding one that has a warranty right or that oh a white towel that I can buy
a quantity that has a warranty there is like let's say if you had a 2,000 foot house I don't know if West Lake would sell it for you they have it on their thing but they don't have they would have to make whoever we would buy the tile would have to physically make it for us because of the quantity of it and
they're not making the towel because they can't Source again so the so if you take the look at this slur coat look what this lur coat tells you we give up on making white towel so we could only put a slurry coat on it to make it white I mean that's just them saying and
actually to tell you the truth I don't think they're going to sell slurry coat anymore because there there there are other communities I don't know if you know kamino Gardens in bokeh that has allh tile and they had a run of slurry code in there the slurry coat doesn't look good and it doesn't wear good it
supposedly oh nothing sticks to it it has a weird thing that in the crevices of it it turns black so you're getting like a saw too we're not talking about slurry Cod yeah okay so I'm just telling you that that was that was the manufacturer's best effort to get to get
white and and they failed my question was more if it's not available and it's not going to be for that period of time then maybe we have a broader challenge because we're only giving residents white or gray white forre or gray Sate as an option um and so this may be a
broader issue I agree with that yeah we're gonna have to you you raise a subject that's been discussed probably numerous times in the past about availability and seems like we still get houses with
the through and through white so uh and I don't disagree with you bringing it up and I'm sensitive to the availability um but somehow I see other people coming in they get it done and who's getting done because the neighbors I see you know
well I mean the the development north of us if you look at what they have they have medium gray and white gray and that's a brand new development BL Blue Water code so that is just kind
of an example the market so so none of them we group was white so again going back into the letter i you can't force me to buy a product I can't get so uh and so we both have a problem in the sense that maybe
in the future something will come back in line Vera is not going to make white clay top and just to let you know what the effort I put in the Delta between cement and Clay is about 200,000 so you're talking about me investing $400,000 in a group versus 200 versus
200 so it's not like I stroll in here and said hey take it or leave it right you may not like my letter but I put in the effort to get here today to give you an honest presentation and tell you what my problem is and again I'm 58 my wife's
a little bit behind her we want this roof the last time 78 I don't we don't have the disposition to put anything on our house that is going to be an experiment that's going to yellow or discolor we we're just we're just not that type of people
so I'm trying to get a solution that I think is important because I'll just tell you something along the lines if you look at the gate housee coming development it has a beautiful Shake roof that is pening to a medium brown I
mean and that's wonderful I'm not going to put a wood shakes Ro because I mean that's only good for 90 miles an hour but if you look at it that value that has to it is nice so I guess what I'm asking the
question today is if the tile if you like the tile it would be on my roof and we're actually changing the color of the house to go more appropriately with it we're trying to be the best neighbors we can be that's that blue um that that Paul
was looking at right yeah yeah so and that's an approved color Okay straight straight off the board right off the board yeah and Greg uh just so I understand
um and made a comment that um couldn't answer gentleman's question as to what houses but I've seen through and through white being put on Aller houses I mean it continues am I or am I wrong that that that's not
happening so I just pulled up um a house in Blue Water Cove that has a white tile it's the first lot on the south I don't know if they changed the color but they submitted for um 4700 ultra
white um and it it does appear from Eagle B air that's the tile and it does look from an aerial that it is a white tile um and we also put and that was built how many months ago that was um nine months a year I mean that was one
of the first ones so was may have been few years ago and then we did just approve a white through and through on 9115 Orchid within the last 16 months um that is a smaller home um it's so it's not the same size but you know to to address Miss orwin's question about the
availability you know it's our understanding in processing applications and speaking with our permit Tech um you know we're not having we are still allowing and seeing applications for white tiles and approving them and white roofs are going
on around town although I'm just thinking maybe some of those applicants aren't aware as an architect would the yellowing is what you're c i me so the only way again I know Eagle to I know West Lake they come
into my the only way anybody's gonna like Kus buying it off off the warehouse floor I mean because you can buy a discontinued tole for 2ou or 3,000 foot I think I'm around 14 or 15,000 under roof so I'm a substantial house so I'm a
run meaning that they call the factory tell them what the run is and they're going to make it for me so I don't have the point of going backwards and I do I mean I went through Blue Water Cove and I have been wrong in the past but that's a modeled white it there what I saw was
gray and dark gray again I may stand to be corrected but I did drive through that neighborhood and it's funny enough is that we actually contacted it's a short it's a small world that we we operated we actually called the um the manufacturer or the roofer for that area
and he didn't have any you kind of relay the thing that I was able to get this but it's it's in the gray family then also there's another house in our area that I know the Builder quite well I think he's with a model gray too because I called him I don't know if you know a state of development they're doing a
house that's on the water actually I think they're doing two houses you you keep calling it modeled gray or what's the first word modeled m o t t l e d okay okay so what it is is that again they give up I
cannot make you a white tile so the gray you see in it is our imperfection in the white tile and we hope that our imperfection is in a consistent pattern that it looks like it's First Quality that that's essentially what they're when you're dealing with a concrete top
and that's from the that's from the manufacturer's rep because again you know I thought it was going to be an easy exercise to find white it's not so just going back to the the couple houses that are my are they're getting stle the modeled White Collar we have such a
substantial investment in our pavers and in our pool coping that is in beige that that's not going to be that's not going to be a choice for us and the other problem that we have is that we're self-insured so we need a new roof by
the end of the summer or beginning of the summer rains Mays the rainy season and you know that's kind of Falls underneath my problem but the last insurance company didn't like our roof because someone's 15 some's 10 years old so we're riding
self-insured so again I don't come here without turning every rock or Leaf over trying to find an answer that I don't need your permission to put a roof on and we did have many meetings with with um
um Miss Swift and Mr michos sorry that's okay you got it Swift is a great name too I mean uh you know so we really tried to work through what would be acceptable under the code um you know and then as far as the colors go U you
know those are what's what are permitted on the board I think um Miss Swift met with Renee and they they went over and pick that out so so so is this opening a Pandora's Box so that
every Bermuda style house that is that is built from here on in is not going to be uh is going to have sort of an open option of whatever color somebody wants to put on it so because we're changing
the classification to a ranch style it's in place OC on a a double lot you know we are dealing with sort of I won't say a one-off but to see that happen elsewhere in town I I just I don't foresee it typically you're not seeing a lot of lots join together and when you
are you're probably seeing a new build so then they would be subject to our architectural guidelines this is a house that is you know maybe 50 years old with with which is what may I answer your question in this way the advantage that new construction has over me is that they don't have papers installed if uh
if I was building a new home I would probably be building a medium gray I'd be totally in compliance and I would probably have a charcoal gray driveway I don't have that benefit I'm existing the way I am with a tote so what you're suggesting about Pandora's Box is for
the next applicant to come in here and ask you for the same accommodations that I am you would have to have a house as large as mine you would have to have existing pavers pool copings pool decks walkways that are brown and telling you that they had a hardship going there so
new construction won't be affected by any decision you make today because they got so many choices than me and if you think about new construction I mean most of the houses that are berm Style on this side are usually a medium gray tile
with a white based color of a house and then with they say a more kind of lighter U trim color or shutter color because they got a their canvas is blank my canus is already done I've already you know painted that composition and
I'm just trying to get the best house I can get underneath these existent circumstances and even trying to meet you all the way there with spending $200,000 more to accommodate the guidelines and then even now repainting my house where probably you know I don't
need to repaint my house but we're we're we're trying to we're trying to put every piece that we can for you to understand that you have a difficult situation but understand that we we don't come here because we took your your guidelines lightly or or we're not
respectful of your positions or opinions we're just out of options and I want a new roof starting in May and my roof is going to take several months to put on because of the size but Tre I I can live
with your interpretation of it being a ranch um that's the only way I would contemplate this proposal just as an observation um it's a lot of square footage I guess the typical House of the
my house I I don't know would be a third of the or half of the sides of the of the roof so and I'm trusting that um some what I heard what you said
and so um I don't see we at two options one it's a ranch or it isn't it's a ranch I guess it's okay according to the
code correct sort of well on that I would tend to agree uh make my point I um we're trying to accommodate a resident a taxpayer it seems like you've gone to a great extent I talked to Trey at Great length for more than an hour
about the searches going through I even went on Google and started typing in Ro contractors and looking and even on their websites I didn't see white po up I don't know if it's true but I I went to that um so I I calling it a ranch is
that's what we have to do I I probably be fine with that too is that the way you you feel Trey it's fine to uh change the classification so because the house has changed so significantly over time with
a double lot I think that that's that is an acceptable interpretation that it is no longer um a traditional um Gulf Stream Bermuda given the the layout the decentralized center the fact that it's all single story it's very long you know
that is um an acceptable interpretation as I view it um from you know Mr micho's submissions and as a practical way just going back to your Pandora's uh box umh scenario it's easy it's easier if
it's a ranch house because it's it's not presedent setting and it's the honest answer so you're not a approving a gulf street bermudo with a brown you're you're approving or I'm asking for approval for a ranch sty with a brown roof which in in your code does it need
an exception yeah I I I understand what you're saying yeah you understand how I'm getting uh my hesitation on this is is more due to reading that five Page
Letter which I found to be inordinate ly aggressive well I'm sorry you feel like that yeah you know as long as it is it's the back pattern saw okay with with the staff interpretation I you know I think
it I don't think that the brown looks terribly bad so uh well that's the standards I set for myself not Terri not terribly ground looks fine on the house but uh but I was taken back by all were
I I Would by your letter some people are and and there there have been other candidates for houses that have come through this uh this committee that that uh have had that kind of approach and um
and it doesn't sit well with the committee well you know let me just tell you about my background I try not to fight with anybody but if I'm right the last time that I said I was right and the city was wrong go take a look at the garden cemetery inoka that was eight
years of my life in a lawsuit I said I was right they said I was wrong so why would I represent myself any differently and again you may not you may not see the same things I see but the way I look at things is you never took City Planning and did Battery Park City in
New York City you haven't studied the the access to guidelines in the compliance in the way we look at it so we look at it according to the code yeah well I mean we just look at it differently and I'm again that's as close as you're going to get apology to the tone of it because we're just
trained in a way that we really care about access to the code and the relationship the ease that you can comply with code that's what we're we're built for and we're built for what you may not think is a hardship we're built
for seeing that as a hardship so you're just dealing with somebody again it's my own home and maybe I would have represented a client in the way I did but I don't know whether you're agreeable people or not right so just try trying to make the best I hear you I
hear you any other questions if there aren't would anybody like to make a motion to at least get it on the table to get it started um I make a motion to approve a level to architectural site plan to R roof a new
slate brown sugar Color Tile with new principal building and accent paint colors as presented oh second Mr roach yes Mrs Orwin yes Mr
Smith yes Mr Lions yes acting chairman do yes thank you for your time this morning okay moving on Mr Bell are you there I'm here can you hear me all right
yes we can okay great thanks we're ready for you Mr Bell yes I'm here representing uh John and Susan schubin for uh 20 uh 20910 GF Stream Road we were here in
January and um we did not have our test for the turf and the correct sample and we would like to resubmit that um today for review and Hope approval okay and we read in the packet that it meets all the technical standards that we have it ja they are
going to have to pull the grass that is currently in their out and replace it with this okay interesting did did uh the previous applicant did they have to do the same or they hadn't put theirs in yet no they had but
it it was passed all the test fair enough okay so I wasn't at the meeting those were those were the major issues right it wasn't conforming we didn't have so if if we do now is there any other discussions needed nope anyone want to
make a motion I'll make a motion to approve a level two architectural site plan based on the finding if the the conversion of 575 square feet of natural sod to artificial turf meets the minimum intent of the design manual and
applicable review standards Mr roach yes Mrs orwine yes Mr Smith yes Mr Lions acting chairman Dockery yes thank you Mr Bell for your patience thank you so much most appreciate it thank you all bye bye byebye just as a point how do we follow
up on that do we inspect I mean they're going to take it out and put it in new I mean do we I can't remember if they have to pull for that but either way we'll do a zoning review and I'll I'll get with Dina to make sure that we we do that appropriately thank you okay next
application Mr Marsh I hope you easy oh wow H good morning Mark Marsh Bridges Marsh artics I'm here representing Amos and Barbara huset um who bought uh 3224 North Ocean
Boulevard um I think everybody's familiar with a lot um we are embarking on redesigning a new house for the project and we're here today to request a demolition of the existing building um most of you might have seen or familiar
with the building it's it's I think it must have been a late 60s or mid 60s construction Bermuda uh St um and really not a lot has been done to
it over the years um so it's it's really in pretty poor State um and I think we have no option and but to demolish it so with that I will just show you um what
we'd like to do in the demolition is to you could see the dotted line of the outline of the existing building we'd like to just remove the building and other Associated built items I.E the pool there's some storage areas and
maintain the existing asphalt driveway because during construction obviously be a great benefit not to have to put in a temporary uh staging area uh we're blessed with the fact that we have two accesses the primary access
on North Ocean Boulevard and the secondary service entury off Gul stream so um that's really the extent of our request we have been talking with staff about seeing if we could uh get or be
allowed to do an early uh demolition here you can see the property better from the aerial um the reason being is they want to obviously advance or proceed with the project as quickly as
possible um and we have a permitting process to go through as you know um there's no guarantee how long Highland Beach is going to take so we'd like to start as soon as possible and ask for
some relief on the May 1 requirement um I don't think it'll have any impact on any uh neighbor as you can see it's over nak large um it's a it's a substantial property um and it'll be a pretty quick
demolition um so we are we've been asked to go to the commission for their approval but um any support would help when I say early um we'd most like we're at the commission when are we try what
March 14 14 so to get a permit will take us into I I'm assuming late March or early April and that's what we're trying to advance with the Demolition so like 30 days is sort of what you're at
best um but what what advantages will that give you CU you're not going to be able to put a shovel in the ground no but they first I think the owners are anxious to see the site just see the naked I don't want to get into what you just went
[Laughter] through lie on the road either we'll all roll down the hill and you know experience the site but no it's okay they're just anxious to to get started um I'm I'm sure most of you are familiar
with the host tlers testers are you not yeah um his father was a member of the club the golf club he's a member of the golf club they spend most of their time they're in Boston they spend most of the time at
Hillsboro and they've done that Hillsboro club and they've done that for many years but they wanted to move to Gulfstream just because of Serenity and the quietness proximity to the golf club so they're a wonderful family and well
I'm in favor of allowing it um just an observation I I made some comment about um inseason offseason in front of a yearound resident who said why is it that you take care of the people in
season and people out of season not included um and you know there's a little bit of that I think but uh given the lot uh I mean you can get that down and probably two days yeah and yeah when
would you think if everything went well in the approval process when would they when would they start the demolation May April you're thinking I'm thinking early April right after the March meeting with the with the commission they can get a permit well we have to file for a permit
and again who do you file with the you mean Beach pretty quick on their turnarounds a week or two for demolition yeah Del Field's on the North who's on the South Side Charles White oh okay no I'm one over oh that's right oh oh John
you're one okay sorry you're one more mark this is this is g to be about a two-year project I presume isn't it well we're trying to um you know the owner is fairly old and he's got yeah some yeah you know him and uh but but
the fact you know you're talking 60 days or 30 days impact I think you're inconveniencing neighbors okay now I think the period the construction period right now is 16 to 18 months that's what we've been
charged with so I think that's kind of where we're we're referring to an early start or getting the project moving as quickly as possible because we have not just demo but we have to get Services we have to get you know other things um and
plus you know to get the engineering it's a beautiful site know the only request is really to move it forward May one they can they can do the demo May one they can do it I'm happy to have them do it on May one that's you
know we're just asking for some not set a precedent obviously or hopefully not that you know we're we're we just like to advance as much that's the request and they're aware that they're goingon to have to S it and irrigate it and we've written a whole specification
on the submission as to what would take place once the building is gone yeah it' be resorted irrigated um when do you estimate you'll be in front of us for for the house it's hard to say we we're we've been we've had one meeting in terms of getting into
the design okay um so um you sent a notice to the um the surrounding neighbors so they are aware and ctis said they have no objection well I mean I I would they have no objection
iiz actually thinking the sooner the better because it's just to add more construction they can't use back because it's under construction a is be sooner better so the way staff typically grants these in season
construction work well first off I'll say that Greg never allows a demo in season because after you demo then you have other stuff to do that's also prohibited driving piles pouring concrete pumping concrete you know things like that so typically that's just a non-starter for him um what he
will do when we're in season if it is something that is going to really hold up the project but we want to obviously keep it going is he will reach out to the neighbors and just say Hey listen are you going to be out of town a certain time you know we are we do have a a project next to you and they're going to be pumping concrete for two
days is there you know a time that works for you you know so the question about the neighbors that's something that he can certainly look into and see if there's a period of time during April that they you know will be out of town or um you know that would be you know
acceptable to them but that's typically how we you know how we staff processes those special requests but that's what I feel as long as you as long as you can get all of the circular neighbors you know across Gulf
Stream Road on the other on the west side of Gulf Stream Road to to say no it's go it's fine with us you know I I think it's I think it's that's permissible but if you are
inconveniencing people I think no not to distribute we don't intend to create a disturbance I you I know and and just a technical thing this will not be on piles it's going to be stem
wall conventional okay foundations it's a one-story yeah um it's not a two-story house so and if you do recommend it it still has to go before the commission to get that approval right and they may say yes or no right right but we don't want
to just I'm in favor allowing with to happen yeah so am I okay would anybody like to make a motion then I have one quick question is there any notable vegetation that's going to be taken out during the demolition vegetation wise no
um in fact that's another reason really we want to see get the landscape architects involved because it the house will be in a very similar position to what's there now we're going to protect that lovely because with the grade the
rise it's it's really a unique lot gous um so I can't answer the design aspect of it but it'll be a Bermuda style good to hear one story one story
Bermuda beautiful a real I I have one question for for Trey um I probably should asked before so I apologize what is this term Landmark status I didn't think we had any Landmark that that's just within the code I don't think that we have anything
that's really landmarked maybe good question maybe the club just don't tell them thank you all right but but Mark you're once it's demolished you're not going to be pouring any kind of conc no no till we have permit well right I don't think they'll even even if they
submitted it won't be for we won't start this gentleman's question it may be August before we start any heavy and as say without piling this is standard stem
wall footing so I'll make a motion that good there's two of them actually a motion to recommend approval of a demon demolition permit to permit the demolition of existing
residents and to allow subject to um resident subject to what um staff confirming an acceptable date of demolition based on residents uh that the applicate be permitted
to uh demolish uh the structure prior to uh the end May 1 or prior to May 1 okay second Mr roach yes Mrs orwine yes Mr
Smith yes Mr Lions yes acting chairman dockerty yes there's another motion right is there a second yeah there's a second oh thank you didn't turn the page um motion to recommend approval of a level three
architectural site plan a on a find that the demolition of the existing resident meets the minimum intent of design manual applicable review standards a second motion Mr roach yes Mrs orwine Mr
Smith yes Mr Lions yes acting chairman yes thank you thank you Mark like to make some comments [Laughter] there okay um any items by the staff I I
just want to mention relative to that earlier application with the five-page submitt you know all we did was the extremely professional and cordial and help uh the Swift michos project move forward um I was very shocked because there was no hostility from staff or
from the applicant during the the months that we were discussing that um so even though the the submission was you know a little inappropriate and maybe adversarial you know the resident did not act like that towards staff and staff did not act like that towards him
so just you know to to clear that up um again very frustrating to to see but you know all of our conversations with him were cordial and professional any other and and thank you i' I've got something else I wanted to bring up you know especially with
regard with regard to people putting in artificial grbs or people doing things that are just doing them and then coming back and begging forgiveness I think there ought to be a
change in the fining that in the fines that we can uh that the commission can uh ex you know put in uh for people building houses that are constantly
breaking starting times it's it is getting ridiculous because a $50 fine means nothing to these people and U and we've had a situ we even had one
situation where a bill a guy came over and said well here's a check for $500 let me know when I've run out you know because uh because his people were starting early and that's just silly if uh if you know I mean they're building
multi-million dollar houses and uh you know 5500 bucks here 1,000 bucks here means nothing so and yet I'm really I really think that we have to be somewhat much more firm in how we
are we are respected as a as a committee so we've seen a lot of progress on the enforceability of active permitted projects so we um we have our construction site management handbook
that everyone is responsible to abide by which incorporates uh a fining schedule which allows ticketing so um on subsequent offenses if it becomes a problem we can ticket them $500 for for example starting early and we've seen significant findes on
projects that did not adhere to that and we are able to stop any work prior to you know the 9:00 start time in addition to finding them $500 for that instance um so that's that gives us more teeth obviously than than a $50 ticket that's
the largest that we can do per per incident and that gives us a lot of um more compliance than if it was just $50 or hey can you not do that and then they just keep doing it so that that's what we're limited to by Statute the issue I guess is when we do
have work that you know that occurs and then they kind of come in and ask for forgiveness um I spoke to a resident who was caught installing artificial Turf just this week and I I mentioned you know we had a long talk about that and he said you know I'm sorry that I didn't
look into it but I read an article in the coastal star that said that the town now allows artificial turf so I just figured I could install it now he's been through the board a few times for home so I think that he or his architect is aware that you know if you're going to
do something we probably have guidelines for it um but he apologized and said that he would come before the board and we talked a little a little bit about where it could be installed and all those things so um you know it's just trying trying to stay on top of them I
think with respect to artificial turf I think the mayor will likely send out an annual letter soon so we will make sure to include that with you know you do need to get approval from the planning board there are specific guidelines things like that so you know that
educational component with respect to the artificial turf that is being installed without permission but it's more than just artificial turf I know you know in a in another community in which I live there was a fellow who
didn't want to bother to get a permit to re-roof his house and so he just hired some people to come in start the re-roofing process somebody went by they saw that it was being done they checked
to as to whether or not there was a permit issued and the town came out and said said you will cease and assist what you're doing and you'll just leave the house as is through the winter so he didn't have a roof on his
house on part of his house and his heating bill went astronomically high but it was a penalty it was a severe penalty and I I think that that is I think we really should get clo a little bit closer to that kind of
uh well I mean we will definitely stop work if they don't have a permit I'm not sure that we've um uh followed that by saying giving them a certain time period that they can start again I'm not sure
that no I don't want recile with the committee as to whether or not they can do it and I don't want to name any names but we did have someone who got zoning approval from staff and then they went and started their Project without a building permit and we found out and we did stop them and made get a permit and
I think that they had demoed a good portion of their house you know I mean it was kind of open you know so they had to stop work and we actually had to kind of push on them to get the permit because you know the the house was just kind of sitting there you know with that
front section open so we have done that when we when we catch it um you know it's about being proactive and that's something that we um I think we're doing better these days so Curtis there was the House North to me the prior owner
decided to build anory building right next to my property line uh the town manager had the police check it in the alleys so it was totally u in violation the setback he had laid a foundation part of the uh building was
already constructed was torn down and put where was supposed to be put um there were two um oil Palms on a at a property where they tore the house down tore the oil Palms without approval we
made them put it back in so where we have an opportunity for remedial action there is action taken which is good yeah and his Mr Lion's daughter uh built a new house over here
on County Road the the contractor I think at by the time that one was done had been fined about $5,000 in fines that they had to pay and that and that they're building another house that were on Pelican so we've paid you
know we've not had the issue uh that we did with what were most of those fins for starting early well I mean I I don't want my daughter and her husband didn't want these people to come early um
but I can assure you that when the building next to me was built they were there early 10 minutes you know didn't bother me em and you know but we had a activist neighbor who I won't even get
into and if I get into it won't be pleasant no I'm dead seriously no I think that didn't like the 10minute thing they were all annoyed with that I think it seems like the artificial turf thing is getting bigger and think if
Scott gets that in his letter then they can't say they didn't know right really because I think they and we are seeing a lot of Mark did you the best just the record we're on the record we are on the record right now we're
still going taping I can adjourn the meeting real quick this just I'm surprised that white tile is not available and that's the town's position is that it is available we've had you know I have with white tile is
we used to get a 9 inch tile with right that was a very pleasant you know look size really appropriate now they went to a 13 inch and you still can get it as far as I know that was news to me so I'm learning I guess um and it is a slurry
that you don't you can't get a through white there's no doubt about okay it's only slurry is only slurry but it's it it doesn't the slurry show Bold much quicker I no and it's easier to clean actually because it's in you know it's
stated the old tile to it was mimicking a shape that's what it was okay designed for but it's it's a little cleaner and in terms of surface not as textured but it it lasts just as good so but it comes
only 13 inch which is a very clumsy size that's my problem with it okay um but maybe this gentleman is right I'm learning so I I I know there's if your Town's bad think what Naples is going to go through
everything's a white that's all I have over there so it's it just doesn't make sense to me anyway I I'll investigate but it's I'm learning as I said well we'll see what you present to us in three months most be SL
okay even nicer right all right nice to see you okay to see you Mark I do have a question regarding the turf because some of the uh residents who have been turned down on the turf are sort of ratting out
their neighbors who have the turf that didn't ask permission to get the turf and we didn't even know they had the turf so do you want us to do code enforcement on that people who did that's a town commission question is it
okay all right we were just on the subject on my mind from yesterday him complaining between you and cod enforcement and Greg with Mr Lion's daughter my goodness can we get out of this meeting faster it was the contractor that would not listen
yeah okay all right uh I guess there's else you're public do you want to comment okay all right the meeting's adjourned