##VIDEO ID:DMDsqWLKmMU## oh God this I'd like to uh call the opening of the January 203rd 2025 Architectural Review and planning board meeting day um do a roll call please I sure can Mr Colter here Mr Glennon here Mrs orl here Mr Lions here acting chairman Mr dock here also present and participating are Town manager dham assistant Town attorney Edward nazaro and myself you all have received a copy of the minutes from the last meeting um if anyone would like to make a motion to have the minutes approved please do so I'll make a motion to approve I second Mr couter yes Mr Glennon yes Mr Mrs orwine yes Mr Lions yes acting chairman duckery yes okay let's move on to our first application uh for development approval um Renee you want to administer the I do but before that can uh under additions withdrawals and deferrals we need to move Mr Cudmore from second to last he is stuck at an appointment so he said he could be here by nine o'clock okay help and then I need you to uh talk about the meeting dates upcoming yes I'm sorry the next regular meeting dates would be you see on your February 27th is the next one March April and so on if you have any conflicts please alert Renee would be helpful for our scheduling have there been any uh expart communication amongst members of the board no no okay great thank you next you're going speak today swear to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth to help okay the uh first application Mr Bell please hello good morning my name is Robert Bell I'm a landscape architect I'm here on behalf of John and Suzanna shuin um at uh 2910 Gulf Stream Road um there was uh some fa Turf installed without their knowledge um and we are here to request uh that this be allowed we've uh complied and we thank U Miss basil and that for her help with with all this it's been a quick process and we do apologize to the council and to the neighbors for the situation we're trying to make it correct um we do comply with all of the coverage um numbers and things like that the issue is just this was done without a permit and we do apologize for that did you submit the um technical uh details of the graphs that was used they have not they have not no we have a sample that was available we do not have the tcpl test well the ordinance calls for us to have's you're supposed to meet the technical it does and we understand that um we've been working with the contractor to try and get it we're not sure that this particular piece does have that a test available and we are willing to if the council would approve um take out that material and have one we have a name now of a a sample that will pass and does have the test okay if that's possible that's what we request I I have a thought on please when we uh approved the uh amendment to allow this um it very clear uh the standards ah had to be met the criteria and it's very well laid out uh once you meet all those criteria it would be unlikely they wouldn't be approved so so I I'm not sure why we're looking at it until all the steps have been completed and then you can seek approval that's my view I'm not interested I mean if I'm going to vote on it I'll vote it down um I want to see uh they comply with all the the code that's it's pretty straightforward I think so completely agree and we are just trying to get this done as quickly as possible because it that happened in November so we were moving it through as quickly as we possibly could I like that idea I think that makes a lot of sense we'd like to have you come back once we figure out whether it does meet it and if it doesn't meet it then it's GNA go out the door and you're going to put the new stuff in okay we need a motion for this so we have a number of options it looks like we need um we need some more information so we could defer this to a Time certain which would be the um February 27th meeting uh upon submission of additional information that shows the criteria within the coder met so we just need that motion to defer to the next meeting I I TR I think that the motion should be that all of the requirements conditions have been totally met as specified in the code right okay and the staff will confirm that so when it comes forward you've done it then we just say basically yes I mean it's really more administrative I think on this sure um just as I mean as far as the rest of the application is there any issue with its location or okay all right what is the percentage of Landscapes open space after the AR I think we're at 53 after so we're under yeah but you see all those things will be addressed but we you know we're speculating you need a survey on well I don't know how we going to do it we probably need a survey we we have everything except for the test you know I would suggest that on all these applications we have literally like a checklist that comes to us we can see what the requirements are meet it exceeds it whatever and just check check check all way down and then that would make it easier for us also and it's kind of directed to staff as well because it would make it a lot easier for us when it comes to us to just say okay great this completely compes so so from this the staff's perspective just because this was done before it got to us this wasn't your typical let's have a pre-application meeting here the requir that you need to meet it's you're installing this Turf please come to town hall and then we were trying to get after them to to get that information so it was you know the cart was before the horse in that situation and we do we do have a checklist okay but I can make that available to you guys as well that'd be great that would be helpful for me okay I would also suggest that um we're not exposing them to any kind of penalty or anything during this period of time we go to that's correct so as far as um they would need to you know seek approval and while they're in the pendency of getting that approval we're not going to go after them with the special magistrate or anything like that for doing work without approval and it will save the money if you defer it if if they had to reapply they would have to pay all the fees again so if you defer it to the next meeting then they just bring back all the requirements it's also easier for staff we don't have to R notice it it's the same application just maybe with some different material would anyone like to make a motion to defer I'll makeing motion to defer the application of Mr shuin uh on his artificial grasp second and just to confirm that's for the to the February 27th meeting yes Mr cter yes Mr Glennon yes Mrs orwine yes Mr Lions yes acting chairman Docker yes okay Mr Cudmore has been moved I believe so we will go to the next application Mr iliopoulos good morning Mr chair board members uh for the record uh G leopolis address is 1045 East Atlantic Avenue Del Beach uh we are here representing the um Sands residents uh with me today is also Paul Weinstein our landscape architect should you have any questions on landscaping and we have the Sans representative also here should you have any questions for them Unfortunately they could not make it due to prior obligations out of out of the country um anyways we're we're excited to uh talk about this project for you guys um there's there's actually obviously an existing house at 3223 North ocean um it was built in '95 um it meets all the setbacks but in reality it's actually non conforming and we'll go over that with our presentation I think it's also interesting to bring up that the Sands actually live right next door to this house and have been residents for over 10 years in Gulfstream um when we were looking at this project in the beginning you buy this home naturally they're thinking do we want to renovate do we want to keep it uh and as you go through it you start realizing unfortunately uh it hasn't been maintained over the years and it's probably Beyond its life expectancy when you see all the damage that's occurred um are we ready over there um one of the things that happened when the sanss bought the property they thought about not only the renovation because understand this house actually exceeds the square footage by approximately 4,000 square ft back in '95 when you did a subgrade basement it didn't count toward your f are so you have about approximately 1,800 squ ft underground that's not counted so obviously they were looking at it like well wait a minute we got some extra square footage here uh as you'll see in staff's report we actually had to bring it back down to 14, like 674 square feet um they have a full basement there yeah that's unbelievable yeah it's crazy um so in that Lan two where they own the house next door the other conversation was do we knock both down and build one big home um believe what we're presenting today is a great balance for both I think it's better for Gulf Stream um and I think it's just more proportionate for everything and I I want to go through that are we ready let's do it next one again and again okay so here's their current or their current house is right here to the South and that's what we're talking about today as far as that purchase again the house was built in 95 uh please I guess that's a big file um so it's interesting when you look at these three lots this being their current residence then you have the proposed one right now into the north they're all relatively proportion with not only size but OB the houses that were on it except for this current one so if you go to the cell side you're looking at a lot that is basically you know you're dealing with 112 feet in width and the house is 10,000 square F feet this one is 200 feet in width but you're dealing with 18,000 square feet then you come to this one which is about 170 in width and it's 12,000 ft so when you look at those two they're actually proportionate versus what we have here today uh we are proposing the 14,000 which will bring it back down to scale and we think it actually will work better with our adjacent neighbors next please we need you to wait till the end to ask questions Mrs MH um so what's happening here here are the houses to the South just showing some of the various architectural styles that are adjacent to our proposed project next please and here are the ones adjacent to the north um next please all right so you know when you see this home it it actually you know I'll give them credit they actually maximize the square footage they have balconies that basically don't really have roofs on so you don't have to count them and it's basically a share three stories along this side they actually even have a roof deck on top of that they have a tennis court um you know that's 60 by 120 um so they really did use the site I think one of the unusual things would be over here you drive down under so there's a wall over here has a park tobly 20 something feet in height now we're we're obviously the Dynamics are going to totally change because we're getting rid of all of that uh next please so this is a little quick video sorry it's a little grainy there but um basically kind of going around showing not only the site but the size of this home um you'll probably get a little bit of glimpse of they have one big balcony on the rear but it's actually two stories high so no protection really you can see some stairs here it's actually a three-story spiral staircase that goes up to the roof deck a lot of the roof tiles have been coming off there's been a lot of rot on the sides and everything again unfortunately just has not been maintained the way it should have been uh go ahead Jake and click it again because we'll keep on moving all right so here's our existing site let's click it a few times Jake get me through here we're seeing the setbacks this is all of the existing home again the existing home meets all the setbacks U one of the things we are keeping along A1A we have existing curved uh privacy walls with railings in between we're going to keep the walls where they are we're actually going to replace the railings our goal is to keep the same entrance so that when we go through construction everything will be blocked from A1A and nobody will be seeing that we're going to have the In-N-Out directed towards the South End um as you can see their setbacks weren't actually bad um we've increased all our setback so you're going to see here this house was 137 fet off of A1A we are 168 the north side we're 349 existing you're going to see when we get to the second we're 50 ft plus same with the South Side um and even on the rear we're further back than the 3610 so we're basically taking everything that this property had and shrinking it up uh and trying to create a better environment for our neighbors uh what you are seeing is the blue is the existing three-story structure uh We've highlighted the tennis courts um they did think about keeping the tennis courts uh hit it again Jake please we are doing a smaller Sports Court again this home right here will be for their daughter and their grandchildren and their thought is they want to have a little Sports Court for them for lacrosse and soccer um again Jake and we do have an existing Dune Crossover with an observation deck out on the dunes all of those are going to be remained as is should we move forward through the town of Gulfstream we will go through D make sure we satisfy all their criteria next please uh again just showing some existing dimensions on the existing home next please okay so this is our proposed site plan um you're going to see that we obviously meet all the setbacks we're trying to create a symmetry and balance with this home that we're presenting to you we're trying to take the two-story portion and bring it in again respecting our abing neighbors um next please again uh you will see that the uh allow square footage is the 14642 and we are right there next please again this being the ground floor again okay so again we're all the way back 168 ft to the twostory portion we meet The Code by having our covered entrance the minimum code here is 8et we satisfy that uh the one-story portion that's along in here is 117 feet um the other part of your criteria is when you have a one story and a two story you got to be at least 5 feet back you're going to see that we're at least 50 feet back where our two stories actually set back in uh as I mentioned before when you look at the South Side the north side you're plus 50 feet when you come to the two-story portion next please again okay so another part of your code is the second floor cannot exceed 70% of the ground floor we are well below that uh we would have been able to go two stories uh with 6,661 we are at 4600 typically you want to try and max out the second floor because you're on the ocean you want to see the views we still tapered it in again thinking that we're respecting the adjacent properties next please and when you start looking again where set back so we're basically coming in the site where it is existing right now we're taking the curved walls that are actually on A1A and we're going to be mimicking them and you're going to see them as we come up the grade cuz we're going about 7 feet up onto this property uh and we're going to be coming into a motor court and again creating balance and Symmetry and hopefully you'll agree with the right proportions next please so here is the front of the house here's showing the setbacks from the sides the blue is indicating the two-story portion which is all all the way back next please our height maximum height 35 ft that's what we have to the chimneys the roof itself is at 34t the front covered entrance is at 146 which is your maximum uh again we're highlighting the code part which is the twostory has to be a minimum 5 feet beyond the on story and we're 54 feet back next please this is actually the East Side uh again we're highlighting the setback so over here we do have a covery porch down on the ground level uh over on this side we actually have their outdoor kitchen where they would be dining out there upstairs they do have their covered balcony covered balcony off the primary Suite does have a Jacuzzi Spa what we have done is all along this North Side we've walled it up so there will be no visibility from anybody anywhere seeing into there naturally they want their own privacy uh and we also felt the stairs that we do have going up to that level is actually to service the spa in the jacuzzi during the offseason so they can they don't have to go into the house uh next please okay so now you are looking at the uh North elevation on the North elevation we've tried breaking things up you do have the blue portion we do have trellises where we're trying to get some undulation in the elevation we do have an outdoor fireplace and we have a fire pit uh these are what you call biof Flame fire pits and Fir places that is ethanol okay it's made by a pant plant-based material usually sugar cane means there is no s there is no smoke there is nothing that is flammable which is totally eco-friendly no pollution and safe for the environment again we're more than 50 feet away from our adjacent neighbor so we feel we are quite good there uh next please so this would be the South elevation again same features we're basically highlighting the two-story portion on both North and South we've minimized the windows on the second floor in the uses in those areas we're dealing with the primary bedroom we're dealing with their closets in their bathroom so that you're not having these large Windows looking over at your neighbors uh and it's the same thing for the southide although they'd be looking at their daughter that's fine we still trying to create that balance next please again okay so here's our proposed Landscaping I uh indicated how we are going to be keeping the curved walls along the front there is Stone caps on top we are replacing all of those you're going to be driving up through the driveway we are mimicking all the curves with low walls those will have a stone veneer River Rock on them they going to be driving up into the motor Court you'll have an option to go to the north and to the South to access the two car garages uh again on the North side you do have an existing wall and is an existing planter again you're talking about a 20 foot grade change all of that will be getting changed out and we'll be looking at the wall and rebuilding walls there uh as far as the strength of it alone will be reinforced just because we're bringing up the grade to 15 feet versus at seven um if you had any other questions after that I'll gladly bring Paul up um one of the things we've done in the back we're taking the pool we're actually centrally locating everything again keeping it away from the adjacent neighbors for privacy uh next please so you're seeing the East facade with some of our Landscaping that we're calling out some featured uh date Pals along the north side Jake can you pull out a little bit right now uh along the north side basically um Paul has mimicked a lot of the existing vegetation that's along there with some coconut palms and then we got a thick hedge coming in next please West facade basically that's our main entrance going into the motor court and then again you're seeing the south side of the property getting the same heavily uh vegetated area to protect it from the neighbors next please so we got a variety of uh materials that we are dealing with we are having travertine Stone we will have some cast stone uh out of West Palm herpel we'll be doing all of our sofits which is basically the dental work and the brackets we've got some decorative coins on the side uh we are keeping with the traditional style of the Georgian the only thing that would really vary if this was up north would be brick and we're trying to make this more of a Florida home so that's how we've changed out these materials we are doing a slate roof and we do have copper chimneys uh gutters and over the Dormers are all copper arched roofs next please and we'll go to the 3DS after this one let's go right into that Jake Okay so here you have the proposed home no longer what was there this is the proposed home you're seeing all the open space along the east side and the north side and the South Side so it really does open it up nicely um and you're seeing how it relates to the adjacent properties um next please looking towards the east seeing our Motor Court seeing how you'd be coming up into it and enter into the garages on the sides next please obviously that is your East View that you'd be seeing uh you're seeing the variety of terraces again there's balance there we although the second floor on the left hand side's an open Terrace it matches actually the north side with the covered Terrace next please okay so now we're driving up from A1A here's where you're seeing your low curved walls we've got the rer rock stone on them taking you up again there's a great change of approximately 7 ft that will be going up next please I get another closeup go ahead Jake into the motor court again having your two directions to go to park in the garage another view of these stone walls and the Landscaping next please close up with the motor Court you know I talked about the covered entry covered entry is a minimum of 8 ft deep 14' 6 in height next please pull out a little bit this is now your North elevation um with our Terrace off of the family room a sculpture garden and the stairs that are going up to service the jacuzzi Spa next please seeing the SS again how they're accessing up there outdoor shower um you know there's going to be a lot of detail going into this home uh we we're hoping that you will agree that it's going to be quite Charming next please just trying to show you all the different features and the ulations of the covered porches and Terraces uh we do have a trellis feature with a water wear pouring down with Stepping Stones going into the pool with infinity edge next please this is obviously looking from the south going towards the north next please and that's their South elevation and our final shot I believe is next so that concludes my presentation today uh should you have any questions I'll be happy to answer them um and I'll start with the audience if you wanted me to or the board it's really up to you guys Mrs Schwarz can ask questions if she'd like I'm GNA give her this answer her there we do have questions too so there was a lot of lot of there a lot of presentation why didn't you go first okay I have a couple questions and I will your grade you're raising at seven feet 8 feet so the grade will be at a total of the the existing house is at 14 we're at 15 okay that's that ground floor oh that's your finished Flo yes it is okay sorry only one fo okay and on that Mr chair we were basically focusing on when you're in the High Velocity Zone you have what they call frangible so we're trying to make sure we can keep all our structure above that so that we don't have to do frangible structure sorry I was gonna say related to that following up on that is that I mean I know there's a lot of appropriate discussion about what's happening on sidewalls when elevations are changing and things like that can you maybe just kind of go through that one more time as well we get a sense of like finish conditions on both sides of the walls okay make it clear well I'm trying to answer two questions no it's the same question you had talked about coming up about a foot I guess finished first floor elevation versus existing so coming off just giving me a sense I'm trying to get a sense of coming off A1A to get into the front door you know what kind of elevation CH there you're you're dealing with approximately a 7 over long two well it's 168 ft to that front door a long way to transition yeah yeah there really is um to the wall question so again when you're looking at a wall that's been exposed in reality 20 some OD feet we're bringing the grade up minimum 10 feet if not more which would reinforce it but reality is there's a planter blocking it so uh we've had several contractors out there as the Sands are interviewing their contractors all of them have said they're going to slowly peel away and see how they're going to rebuild that wall because the fact is is that we don't know the condition now if the underp part is all solid well that would be up to the structural engineer but we are going to have that all evaluated by a there's two Engineers there's a structural and then there's a soils engineer which basically depends on how good is the soil to support that wall That's the north that is the north wall South Wall we feel is fine but we're still going to expand on that too yes I justed I am North I am 3265 I am your next door we will protect any planting or anything that you planted it CU they're not even established that's fine too we have no problem with that that's not an issue I can't believe it well I'm saying it on the record so you will be able to believe it um if our goal is not to touch it we won't touch it but I think you need a new wall and if you the new wall would be six feet let me see this house I don't think so I don't think the way we're planting it you'll be seeing it okay you're putting in coconut ponds you want to talk Paul we're doing coconut ponds we're also doing Hedges stay structure we'll stay onu I'll do whatever you want are you are you finished with your question that question I I have a question okay please um before I ask my question uh excellent presentation thank you all it'd be great if you could give a tutoral the other applicants really you ha you know you address the code um uh one of the issues we've had in town is massing the house that's sitting there is massive yeah this is a gracious a lovely home so I compliment you I love to live in the home the only question I have two questions there's no room for the staff but uh no rooms where do the staff oh they they don't they don't live on the property I guess in the old they did um not anymore a more serious question um spend a moment on the uh Sports Court um that's come up a number of times in other applications um the previous one they call it a pickle ball okay and then they we label it Sports uh and so it's a bit of a challenge of how we uh control the the noise got it it looks like you have a wall I I played a lot of Lacrosse a long time ago um and uh I used to practice against the wall and it makes a lot of noise um so I my recommendation is it's really more to to the arpb and the staff is that we have a code um now regarding uh and Trey pointed this out to me uh governing um tennis courts um and it it basically says that uh if the use of that tennis court uh is a nuisance to the neighbors then some discussion occurs I was inclined initially to say okay let's put all these conditions on what you can't do I I don't think that's practical um but there is the threat and the risk of noise um and I appreciate that uh the house to the South is going to be the daughters um but that's not going to be forever um so um you think Trey that um using the current code that governs um tennis courts would accomplish um managing the the no potential noise issue I do because it's specifically built in that the location and design of the Court cannot interfere with the neighbor so the question is is the location or the design such that it may interfere with the neighbors um I don't know if the if the East wall is is exposed is that is there something in front of that or is it is a solid wall so what yeah I mean it's because the grade goes up it's it's only 42 inches high on the east side what we were doing was they were planning on with the grandkids on Lacrosse you bring up a good point it was for a goalie like you're because it's not a big court for lacrosse and it's more for shooting so but we were planning on in the north south Direction because of the fact is when you're going to the north south it's kind of like a tennis court this tennis court was never designed correctly tennis court should never go east and west because of the sun rises and the East sets in the west it's in your face so that's why we were going north and south with that so it's really just about whether or not there are sufficient protections obviously you you are required to abide by the 78t setback from the center line of A1A so if you adhere to you know the the setbacks on the ocean West District you're looking at least 100 feet from where the uh the person will be playing on the Sports Court to sort of the front setback of the the neighbor on the ocean West District so that's pretty significant in addition to having A1A and then all the Australian pine canopy and everything on both sides of the road so you know when staff reviewed this we didn't feel like that was an issue it's also in the front rather than the rear so if someone's out back you know in the the pool deck from the ocean side standpoint you have you know the retaining wall or this this wall obviously buffering that in addition to the side plantings and then the buildings as well these lots are Al very deep so it's maybe hundreds certainly over 100t from where someone on the neighboring property would be uh even on the south to where they're actually you doing the the playing so so so Trey my my question is then our code is silent on Sports codes um so U if we wanted to have as a condition that the Sports Court comply with the conditions or code of of a tennis court how do we how do we that's how we're that's how we've applied the the Sports Court previously and that that's how we're we staff has uh done the analysis relative to the sports Court are you familiar with the well as far as I know we're not going to have lights we're not going to have you know all those kind of things so that we can limit that type of thing especially like at night and stuff like that you probably can live with that yes that's the only observation I have thank you can you go into a little more detail around the window opening calculation because we have a page in our print out that shows the East Elevation and the north elevation um and it shows the total area of openings for the north is 500 and the East is double that but visually it looks like a lot more so I'm sure it's an optical illusion but could you give a little more clarity around those calculations I'm gonna try I know I know got to be at least on those two elevations well below but uh it should not be that big of a disc so on the north of the same 508 and on the south it was saying 240 uh the East and the north oh East okay you want East and North sorry okay on the East it's 1,45 and then on the North it's 508 which I I believe if if the numbers are right that would be proportionate you look at the East Elevation we have a lot of arched openings versus on the North and a lot smaller openings on North on the North okay we're talking East and North yes and what's the percentage on the east side that's the critical number right uh we were at 30 6.9% it looks like it it just generically looks like it would have been higher but that's Tre you I think yesterday I asked you we did talk about this the rear for beach front is 50% so it's it's it gives them a lot more leeway than what they're asking for at least on the plan I agree maybe it's an optical illusion it looked like it was greater than that percentage to saff as well but I'll be happy also to double check all those for you guys if there's something we'll get it back to you that's for sure could you please double check that before yep we'll do thank you it's a beautiful house thank you yeah may I sure go ahead okay I'm Schwarz okay and an existing house being okay right that's that's 95 right yeah I was there first see the East elev please because I want to talk about the C of the walls in and uh you mean east or west east oh West West we get to e on do you want it like the A1A yes yeah so just go to a site plan 3D or go 2D site plan will be fine I do want to I want to advise everyone that the Australian in that between my house and your house yes is extremely old and very wide okay to get out of my driveway is almost impossible to see the tra traffic coming north we've had one car total trying to get out of our driveway because a floped truck was speeding on A1A a huge flat red truck you know we have more industrial traffic on A1A now and it's couldn't see it coming around that curve it's very very difficult so my concern is I understand you're keeping forgive my voice but this is I'm left with this after surgery um you have the curved wall and there's a lot of vegetation which has not been taken care of over the years Y and you've got the ustralian Pines if you plan to do additional or replace plantings there we are not going to see anything getting out of our driveway as it is we are maintaining which I don't know if it's legal or not but from here down on the Australian ponds I have my gardeners cut little things coming out of austral and ponds I would never be able to see anything right right and I'm very concerned about this because as as the trees get older and I don't know what kind of Shrubbery you're going to put in and how well it will be kept it's very bushy I can't see that you do have a mirror but to be honest with you the viers come by and they fli miror it because you know why when the sun comes around it creates a reflection and sometimes a blind spot and I don't know what to do about that if it's state road I don't know if I can put a mirror across the street I have no idea I called the town who told me they had no jurisdiction I don't know who to call how close is how close is the driveway entrance to the property line Jake we're keeping the driveway the way it is currently and well we're having all decorative railings around it so the visibility will be open when we're coming out of the driveway as far as all the planting up against the curved wall was being replaced uh Paul do we have a heke called out it's um right adjacent to the wall there fur to the north I believe it's chef chef it's going to be kept at about three feet Max it's going to go out two or 3 ft and then there's a two foot ground cover bed of Green Island p is in front of that so all low so everything's going to be I I I assume that they're going to maintain this very very nicely yeah I mean you can you can take a look at the house to the South that is their home for 10 years how's that been maintained and it just gives you guidance that's all I can tell you right I mean I yes I first of well we're hearing you and we yes not so I can't see down there's got to be some maintenance right on the bottom part of the no view you're saying that the they're called the sucker branches are shooting out at low I live Ona and I have Australian lines too do you have that issue I do have it and I clip them so I can see I just go out there now that somebody's going to be living there I can't go over with my Gardener and start clipping right I I I imagine we will be clipping yes because they will have the same issue Mrs Schwarz also yes yeah I was here to protect the Australian PS I signed the paper fantastic I'm here long enough to okay let's move inside to the north wall north wall now you had not said anything about tearing down the wall on that now well because we haven't even I need to get everything removed from there to inspect everything so to say my question is the wall needs repair Well Repair is one thing tearing down is another we were looking at if we had to tear down portions we're going to tear it down to rebuild it because we're not going to want anything failing either on your side or our side I don't think it's going to fail but the top of it has chunks missing well that's that's not an issue but but again I got to expose everything to see it yes right and we plan on with the amount of money that's getting done into this house we'll be fixing the the wall well I just put in a little small fortune on on the what you no is not cheap yep and it's the whole L of the wall okay so obviously you're going to be Tear Down the Wall you're tearing down my plants I I will tell you that whoever is our Builder they will be contacting you and we will make sure you have everybody's phone number including mine you up a picture you up a picture of the house the existing no new well I don't think we have I don't think we that's about all we well go back Jake let's go back one well you want to just go to a site plan yes okay I what you do on the south I don't care not I'm not there I'm on the North my job is to care for everybody ma'am I'm the only one here they proper else I still care about them why is GNA be here okay would that help or you want more no I want the pictures oh first of all I wanted to know the house is being set that further than the current house I want to confirm that yes how far approximately what in feet because I'm not approximately the center part is approximately 30 feet back from what the existing house is so you're totally going to be shifting it it's going to be equal to my house or further back yeah but our house is thinner than the existing house so I'm also pushing it back from the East and I'm pushing it back from the West so it's a thinner element versus what you have today seeing next to you okay um now I want to show you uh so it's 30 feet back all right I'll figure that out how yeah and and I we can get you the exact number I'm just going by my old memory that I have that is yes now the next thing I wanted to do is on the North side if you have the the picture of the house the new house on the north side you have that picture uh go to the let's go you want the one that we're showing our trellis and the outdoor fireplace those pictures yes okay go to 3D please we just passed it we did go back St so I presume that's the one no problem I can get a better shot of the staircase for you if that's what you'd like no this one right here tell you go back Jake toward your 3D okay right here stop um in in your front it's not on this picture but over here there are a lot of sea grapes yes I cut them back dramatically the summer they're no longer there what's hanging over on your property you will obviously be cutting because you're going to take care of the wall now you should know I don't know what the walls are in those but the existing um concrete wall has to stop at a certain point to the beach that's right there is a wooden fence that goes from the end of the of the wall further down towards the beach the reason I put it there is because the existing house put this outdoor deck deck thing which you you want to embellish and make it into a private you know party place I didn't say that but that's fine um but the thing is it's just a wooden fence I don't know what the rules are what that if you're taking down the concrete wall are they planning are you able to move that concete you're putting up a new one that's six feet which isn't very high Fe Sy higher actually your code makes me step it down to like four feet as I get towards the water so I will be going by whatever the code says are you talking about your wall and our wall or are we talking about East wall it's all yours okay so we will be maintaining another you just had extra money I have no idea I don't know property that way so I'm just saying that we were planning on if we have to step it down we were going to step it down because I believe the coat is 4 feet in order to preserve your view looking down at the ocean south of South right so that's what I have no view because what was there is is a taller wall with high coconuts which have not been paintain and those coconuts Dro to the ground which we didn't get to yet and you're replacing coconuts because if they not maintain you can have a lawsuit on your hand with those coconuts coming down and that if you're making a shorter wall and I have this fence there I don't know you're going to build it you're going to see my fence our goal it's not attractive I didn't want you to brag about it um no so my goal is to buffer your property from ours but at the same time preserve if there is a view that you still have a view because the last thing we want to do is block a view that you had of something nice so our job is they're going to want their privacy just as much as you want your privacy so we will be maintaining whatever we can for I want you to know that the SE grapes that are there they're going to be cutting down because it's my sea grapes on my side of the property are hanging over on yours and the reason I cut mine back was because they were very stalky they hadn't been cut in over 30 years on our side my side so I cut so I I would get more Bush got it got it okay so your side is hanging over there because I'm not allowed to do anything that hangs over on your prop on that property got it okay even though it's on my side got it you know I can't hang over and cut it cut it off we'll do it for you now um I also have pool equipment there I have um you know B your side our properties on the your your North Side my myself South right okay I have that's why I put up the wooden fence so it would um screen it screen it and Screen also what they put in that sitting area which is why you're doing this area there because they put it in got it uh you're put it in this fireplace which I'm very familiar with where it kind of is because I have one okay uh but why are you doing a fireplace in door outdo outside it's Florida this is not in New York State this is it um today would have been a perfect day to have it when you're talking about that temperature now this is not their permanent home happens once every 10 years and if you can afford to do a fireplace and use it just once every 10 years that's what they're doing it's just their right all right well I don't mean to be disrespectful I'm just saying that they this is more of a winter home for them and when you're down here in January and February you do get those chilly nights and that's when you would use it that's all well you know a lot of the stuff there's a difference of opinion I I'm a northerner I've lived here a long time I have houses in the north I'm very aware of what the elements here do which is different than what it is that nor I the guy that's sitting over next to Renee we had a fireplace in our house and every morning he let the fireplace eat him in the summer so trust me you can't make sense of it down here okay right now you're putting a Jacuzzi on hot tub on the second floor which because it's there the existing one no we don't it's not because of that it's because in their existing home to the South they have one okay all right so they can get to that Jacuzzi from their bedroom it's right for their bedroom outside yeah the outside is going to be for maintaining it and cleaning it not for them to be going up and down they want their privacy at the primary Suite okay and you're saying this house now is going to be 50 feet from my wall from the wall the second story is it's and the ground floor is going to be how the ground floor for the one story part I believe is at 34 feet okay you lost 12 12et say what oh no the rule is 30 feet 2 in I don't know or 30 maybe it's it might be hang on let me just get it because I know we're more than more than what's you got it yes how long is this to build uh the owners would like a month but I think it's going to be a lot longer I I I think you're going to be probably in between there um it has a lot of detail on the inside the shell itself and what I think is the majority of the stuff that a neighbor would be worried about will be in the first two years I think the inside will take longer South cover rear forch has Second Floor Terrace these are considered outside structures and not part of the house not not part of the calculation it's not no so how much of the calculation of the building is outside and not considered part of the main house particularly on the North side because they have a lot of seating and kitchen and all that stuff all that is counted as far as anything has a covered roof if it's a trellis it's not counted okay so outdoor kitchen and all that that's counted inside oh yeah yeah it's counted it's counted like the garages all of that's counted in our calculation and it only has covered roof on that's all it has on the second floor on the second floor it's covered and on the ground floor the outdoor kitchen is covered by the floor right and then we have a 5 foot extension of the second floor that gives you access to those stairs that is not counted to the north side yes it's solid all the way up meaning they they so there would be a building structure yeah you can't see them even if you wanted to and they can't see you that's legal what you want to see them in their spot it's 50 feet off I I my code is only 32 feet the second floor is 50t so 20t more the kit on the first floor area Okay so that so the trellis part on the North part of the trellis the there's a column that holds up the trus that would be at like 32 feet off your property L uh Jake go to the uh let's go to a floor plan or site plan I'm trying to get at is the existing the existing one that's there which is why they got this all these ideas for this house is right up against that fence I'm telling you about there's seating area there's yeah go ahead that's fine and they use the sea grapes as a as a roof if you to cover whatever they were doing like a metal thing or they used to have a tent but that blew off the the the only thing with respect I want to correct you on one thing I am not copying anything off of that existing house okay not even an idea not even an idea nothing I blocked them there's none well so so so think about what you just said though the the Terrace that the existing house has is on the roof deck it's a three- story spiral staircase I do not have anything three stories and I do not have a roof deck I do have a covered Spa that you will never see because it's blocked off their primary bedroom so again I did not copy anything out that house you're saying this is 50 feet from the wall this wall is that column there is about 34 feet and how and then this that would be about another 12 ft back all right what what's going over here on the first floor it's just grass area there's no kitchen No Where's the outdoor kitchen uh Jake go to the pool side please that's on the other side of the house no no it's right it's right tucked in here behind see see I thought it was to be no no we never do that to you and then The Spar is up here hiden behind that wall okay so again we we in our best interest and not copying what was there we tried screening everything from you now you show show the front of the house again that you had with the wall with the entrance because you're showing all the Shrubbery which doesn't exist yes we are planning on planting it right here no there was one that showed an elevation that show all what back in here you had one okay uh no I want you to go to Lu with these plants by the hyd Rangers don't do well on the ocean yeah yeah know ocean is tough ocean is tough well that's what you show uh you want us to keep on going to show the north side driveway no yeah do you have anything on I think try to get up Jake so we can look at the driveway on the North side please I mean what's happening on on South or what inside the house is fine I mean I don't I don't care I'm happy you know I want you to be happy for us too we want to be happy I want to obviously okay stop right there yeah these are all coconuts which you're taking out and you're putting in new ones correct yes correct okay how um these are not maintained in the Coconut full so I don't know what your plan is do you have a you had another picture of what's down here because this is the sea grapes Stone exist anymore okay so Jake let's go to the 3D that looks back in the North uh I guess it would be the Northeast Direction where we see the pool and everything maybe that will help her your your set back on the house is going to be equal to mine uh I I I don't know what yours is existing house is totally in front of my house now East do you understand the back of the house a the front of their house a the back of mine got it it's totally in front of my house you are moving it back you said 30 ft I'd have to look at L dimensions for you hang on so it'll be it will be L my house the existing the existing house right now existing is 3810 off of what we call the Coastal Construction line on E side on the east side yeah that's that's what that's what ours is saying so hang on and when our twostory with the primary bedroom is we are 57 10 in back so it's another 20 ft from where the existing is yeah this is the this is the secondar floor yes it is okay so you're you see you see my house starts here you see this is all yard M I'm trying to get a feel for whether you're in line with me or in front of me you understand um well actually you're all Beyond us down here we're you're not that far up but this is just this is a small structure I just didn't want us to block it um but anyways no we're we're I mean I don't I I'm trying to definitely Design This the best I can this doesn't exist any okay it doesn't exist okay all right so your landscape so most of this is Landscaping which is fine yeah that's fine thank you back you want us to go up well you know right now they have seating area fireplace the kitchen and it's all rotting away yeah it's terrible yeah it's all it's it's going away yeah it's awful so anything outside RS yes yes all that I don't even go outside it all okay all right so I guess you're saying the house is most it's going to be moved back but it's still in front of mine to East it's still East mine yes it is as far as the point you just pointed to yes which is what I wanted it's a protection oh see I got lucky then I did something right yeah you know why When Storms Come From the South they're going to hit us all right now you said you're going to make the wall existing wall is 20 feet and you're only going to make a 4 foot wall no what I was saying was on our side I was just saying that the Dynamics are going to change because we go under the house into an existing garage we're now infilling it all with Earth so on your side and our side that's a wall that goes way down it's very tall by the time we're done it's not going to be that it's going to be more like six feet because we're bringing the Earth in and filling it all in with the new so the large high wall now that I have is there now only six no I'm I'm saying we're replacing that so I I'd have to check I don't know how high the wall is on your side I mean it's higher than 16 okay all right I'll measure it I think it's higher than all right thank you there's nothing I can do anyway right you own the property not me well but we want to listen and we want to try to be friendly I I understand I understand great thank you thank you do are there any more questions um well I I have a couple comments too so one I'd like to thank you for the thorness presentation because having all these images is um I know was for me is extremely helpful half size drawings are okay but challenging eyesight reading all the notes no yeah it's it's a little difficult no yeah this is impossible so almost worthless so I might even suggest that we don't waste the time I can't I I might ask that we get full size I think that's right for something like this you know with my phone trying to not this is not working I know I came yesterday to look but when I think I'm old I realize you're also you're tearing down 30-y old home so that put it in perspective as well you second floor coverage first thought they were changing in to that's only in a particular brand new in the core one little strip between two streets Gulfstream Road and Polo we created a new overlay District it's 50% I believe on the ocean West it's 70 70 70 70% but we for you guys did 50 so yes so Audrey it's he know he could have done 70% he could have he only did 50% he did less and just um so couple questions though I did have which were um one relating to just the flat roof calculations and some we been looks like there's a fair amount of flat roof I assume this all complies with how much flat roof you can have isn't there some restriction so it is a maximum of 10% I don't know if you've done that calculation I'll provide that for you so we can make sure that that's taken care of in advance of the commission meeting okay and then I have no idea what the rules are um as it relates to you know you have that little composite deck out on the Beach area who even is in that's d That's all D so there I'm sorry so on that I mean basically the town I just for my own edification here the town really has no role in that at all as long as D approves it or is it have to comply with some standards that we have for we do have some standards for certain structures I don't think that that was part of the the application this particular application um is there's existing and it's being replaced no it's existing and we weren't touching yeah we leave we're probably going to refinish it but yeah we weren't doing anything to it okay okay and um last this is just a small detail but I was wondering the um this Weir this water we at the spa yeah is that is that like a fountain or is it basically it's a wall and the water comes out the top and shears down when it comes down it goes into the spa and then we have what we call Stepping Stones that are carved into the Earth that you walk over and that water all pours into the main pool yeah and that's on the southide Y okay okay and just an FYI these are all uploaded onto the website and so then you could look at them on there and zoom in pictures yep everything that is in your packet is uploaded to our website so that way if you click on that you can zoom in if you want right under the in the arpb section right is it always like before the meeting I I do it the same day I send your agenda packets out that's good to yeah so it's a week ahead um and you can like I said you can go click on it you can zoom in yeah that's I I didn't know that so that's good that's Fant thank you so if anyone has questions about how to access those just let us know but they're it's easily downloadable and yeah you just click on agenda and it'll take you right to it but I think that's a very good point I was also struggling with some of this and had to pull out the big plans to to do do a review and we can save the trees if y'all want I mean if I have one other thing yes you can you can go right to the website it's at www golfen stream.org and on the front page you just go to the this date click on agenda this date today's date for the is there any connectivity between the two properties that they own walkways or anything that we weren't planning on anything they're I mean they're over on the east no I'm sorry west side of the property for some reason there was a cutout and there's a decorative aluminum fence that's existing but it's like almost near A1A I'm not sure why that's there it might have been to preserve a tree and that's probably what it is but uh no we weren't planning on any kind of Gates or anything that's not in the plants okay have you all or will you be meeting with anyone from the to go over proposed tree protection measures I know that there's a few that are going to remain as is yeah so we already have we have an arborus and we will submit that report for you guys yes okay are there any more questions well I think it's a lovely project thank you um I think you did a great job I I know you met with staff a number of times with some other thoughts there were several this this seems like a a very good outcome we're pleased to see it thank you Landscaping we we do have approval rights over all the Landscaping take a moment to do the nor side it's not my meeting want to know what you're doing besid is your landscaper here yes he is do you want to do Paul to a quick on the north side let's state your name for the record and your address so this way they he gave it to me we had of time good morning everybody great I'm sorry this is I wanted to know what the East and North uh Landscaping plans are and um how tall what you're putting in me about uh Island on the east side west side west rather which is very short the curve wall I don't care what you're putting in there it's just they have planted it out which your buts the Australian PS is that your plan no I'm not going the proposed plan does not go out as far as that it goes maybe a foot into the right way so what you're dealing with from the existing wall is about 3 feet of a three foot tall hedge and then two or three feet in width of an 18 to 24 inch ground cover and that's running the whole length of the of the front of the property okay as far as the north side goes the your shared property line we put we're proposing at installation time a 10 to 12 foot hedge that matches the existing Hedges out there now excuse me what is it's a neonia head it's a neonia plant M uh Madagascar Olive it's the exact it's the same plant that's out there today and then matched coconut palms along with that that has that have a 12ft clear trunk so so the so the head the heads will be at the top of the Hedge and it will give you the Privacy up up to 20 24 feet 12 foot of clear trunk plus another 10 feet of foliage these bloming coconut trees coconuts they will they will grow coconuts um but I believe uh a fair maintenance practice for all parties involved is during Hurricane Season cut them out I'm because right now I'm paying for removal of C nuts which fall on my property so um is they maintain Maybe times in the I believe the maintenance on this property will be a lot more a lot more than that and it's in there it's in you know their best interest to not have those Coconuts on the ground either yeah well I'm worried about liability for me that's why I I can't go on their side to cut the Coconuts I have to wait till they fall hopefully you won't have to that's what I I want to hear yes thank you um on the South Side um I'm east side rather um yeah water east meets North look at the right just putting inass where the east meets North ah up there yeah okay so the coconuts and the Hedge will come all the way down to our limits of of uh of work here and then there's another group of coconut palms right there so if you're on your property looking South at inst ation time there's a 10 or 12T head you're going to have 6ot approximately 6ot wall on your side 6 fet above that is the Hedge 10 12 feet above that are coconut poms So eventually yeah okay so you will be removing the sea Brees I don't know how far down I think the the wood wall starts after that that's yeah well this is the existing sea grape that's out there on the Doom so we're up against the limits of that oh that goes up to the Doom you can't build the wall that far down it's my this is our we can actually go to there the concrete wall well I'm saying we can go to that line we're not going to that line but we can where are you stopping the concrete wall right there where the tree is yep and how I don't know I see in relation to where the existing I don't know yes so you see where it says existing headr up site I believe that's your SE grape so we're going to the limits of that yeah well I'm trying to tell you that right now this is a a wood wall this is wood we won't touch yours so you can only build your wall to here you think it well on our property we could build it to that line we can't touch yours cuz yours is on your property I understand understand but I don't I think I thought that was the code do you understand that it stops where it stops because of code W and you're going to make it longer is what you're saying I'm not sure compared to what's there I'm just saying that's what I but we're we're a good 10 feet in from where we could go we're not going there because I want to know if I have to change what I have you see I don't know I see a little running north south right there it's in the wall that appears not on the base that maybe we are extending so you think you this is the existing so you're extending it here so it will come into my to my it's going to be on our side it's on our side side not your side we W touch yours well hopefully but I don't know that there the SE grapes in there true through the sea grapes are there so we'll figure it out okay thank you okay you're welcome thank you I know I said I had no more questions but I have one this is an architectural question not a landscape question which is um you know this house um when it comes to colors of materials and um I mean this has look quite different if it's kind of painted one color or another so I don't know in terms of the approval and again maybe it's in here in the fin yeah we already called it out so we're dealing Arcadia white okay which is more of like a light cream and then we have travertine Stone which is also another cream and then you're dealing with brilliant white for any of the accent which would be coins or something like that so you're really dealing with all very light colors and that's definitely what we're planning on and the windows you think the windows are white they're white as well yep the frames yeah and a slate and a slate roof and a slate roof now the slate roof calls out black Vermont is actually a charcoal gray it's called black Vermont that that's okay right okay that's very helpful okay all right uh any further questions Michael no um you have four motions in front of you so okay yeah would anyone like to make a motion uh motion to recommend approval of a North Ocean Boulevard overlay permit for the in station of certain new landscaping and entry gate with existing privacy wall and all Australian pines and cabbage Palms to remain second excuse me one at a time second second Mr Colter yes Mr Glennon yes Mrs orwine yes acting chairman doery yes a motion to recommend approval of a demolition permit to demolish existing structures second Mr cter yes Mr Glennon yes Mrs orwine yes acting chairman dockerty yes a motion to recommend approval of a land clearing permit to clear the lot of existing vegetation as proposed and prepare for new Landscaping second Mr cter yes Mr Glennon yes Mrs orwine yes acting chairman dockerty yes so that was something that the agent test specifi to on the record and if you need to reach out to the town if there's an issue we can certainly facilitate that happening okay no absolutely absolutely and we this meeting is being recorded we have testimony on the record we have you know Renee and myself will will be here years down the road to make sure that this is adhered to when take down wall like no protction between my there's what's happening so that's something that will be dealt with at a preconstruction meeting once the permit is issued and we can certainly follow up with you from town staff uh no you would not obviously this is going to be open to my property if he takes down wall uh it we will be protecting your part because we have to for liability we do not want anybody from your side wandering on to our property so we will have it protected you will not have anything that would not protect you and same with our client there will definitely be a temporary fence until the wall goes if if the Wall comes down there's definitely going to be temporary there and will it will it just be a wire fence or it will have the silt yeah it it has a silt cover on it to protect it because we don't want the dust coming onto your property that's what I want to know Trey that's what she wanted to know I just spent the fortune painting my it's the grain construction fencing right yes okay okay you know Miss Schwarz this is not an issue new to anyone from the town staff position we have construction on the ocean all the time and a lot of times there are neighbors that are disrupted and we always do our best to facilitate some sort of positive resolution for both the new Resident or uh property owner that's under construction and are existing from Tom Crocker and we're going to do our best to make sure that yeah the impact is minimal um I don't remember where we were with motions continue motions recommend approval of a level three architectural site plan based on a finding that the construction of a 14,643 square foot twostory single family Georgian style residence with a four-car garage Sports Court Swimming Pool Spa and covered porches meets the minimum intent of the design manual in applicable review standards with the following condition any minor modifications to the approved Landscaping shall be submitted to the town manager for review and approval and any major modification shall be brought back to the arpb for review and approval prior to the commencement of landscaping second so that essentially means that they have to come back like we in order for this to approve like the information around the flat roof about the window coverage tree protection like that would have to be provided and and within code in order for this to right so we've called out some issues that Mr eliopoulos has mentioned that he will address in advance of the commission meeting so that would be I mean essentially a conditional approval is your your recommendation can be um contingent on additional information regarding the flat roof and uh some information on tree protection of the Australian pines and glass and the glass percentage okay so we would just you know please note that the motion is amended to include those three contingencies okay I need need second okay Mr cter yes Mr Glennon yes Mrs orwine yes acting chairman doery yes so we will see you on the 14th thank you very much thank you thank you congratulations he did okay n yep and here is his okay hey treyy you wna move outside if you could we're keep moving thank you look a little different okay uh Terry hi please thank you Terry cmore 3557 drive and and do you want Rene do you want to pull up the these are great way I'm on the website right now everything's there it's very clear okay all right you um they have the pictures in front of them great y okay so there's a a corner of the property it represents about 800 square ft which is I think 4% of the total lot um that I am requesting permission after the fact to do um we were having a party at Christmas and my daughter has three grandkids and there's this little corner in the back it's always mud so we replaced it with turp I replaced the sod there two or three times over the years it's really a incredibly shady area which is nice but uh I couldn't keep anything alive so I had heard that we were allowed to be uh use artificial turf now in the town in the backyard I didn't realize it was until we spoke that it was a an approval sure like this right right and we understand um it's really nice yes because and we understand that this met all the testing standards tell me that okay great um we uh we understand I think it's a good use we approved it you know certain areas obviously in backyards you can't see it from the road you meet all the standards and it would have been certainly Pro that you just got to come in but we're just having to come back I understand and uh we got to be better about somehow informing the residents that they need to bring this in for us but uh yeah I had a little bit of a hard time finding the uh paperwork on this but anyway Renee provided it and it sure enough it said that it required whatever this is level to approval and on the previous applicant we actually deferred them because they didn't have their testing in um so but you have your testing in so I think we're really in great shape um would anybody like to make a mo motion please sure I make I'll make a motion sure I'm reading from the right package um a motion to approve a level two architectural site plan based on finding that the conversion of 800 square feet of natural sad to artificial turf meets the minimum intent of the design manual and applicable review standards I second Mr couter yes Mr Glennon yes Mrs orwine yes acting chairman doerty yes thank you all oh thank you Mr cmore okay let me see here do we have any other uh discussion points any items by staff you would like to discuss the only item from staff would just be the electronic agenda packets you know I I think that we shied away from any email of agenda packets just because it creates a necessary public record so if you did want to download it I think that Rene had a great idea we don't even you know I'm sitting here thinking do we have a flash drive and that's part of your packet and then we send it with you I think it may be easiest just to download them from the website if you do have any issues though I think that should be an ongoing discussion to make sure that the plans are able to be reviewed by you thoroughly in advance of the meeting because I completely agree with what Mr both of you gentlemen said uh about it being very difficult to to review those plans of that size you know obviously you can always come by and look at the the big copies here uh but I you know that that is you know asking a lot of of you guys um to be here during normal business hours to review those plans um so if you are able to download them and sort of zoom in and and that meets your your needs great if not please just keep us updated on that and you are of course allowed to always beet with staff come in look and get their opinion on things so what you can't do is discuss the other uh members of this without because I breaks the Florida Sunshine Law and I did that in fact it was very beneficial for me to do it on this particular case with this large home coming through so I could see things you know and then once you come and talk to the staff individually if we were to talk to any of the other uh members we could not discuss our conversation right okay right um okay you guys have want to chat about anything you have opportunity for the board members you have any items you want to bring up nope okay no public this meeting is adjourned