Thank you. Stole it from her. I know where that came from. Well, you got to have style when you're up here. Yeah. Right. Got to set the tone. That's right. Yeah. I have my Sears sucker
jacket pen with Y. My wife said, you know, it's it's Memorial Day, Labor Day. It's not Eastern. This is South Florida. Yeah, you can you can wear it year round. Florida. I'll watch some of the championship polls. It was fun. We're ready to start
the meeting. I'm going to do a roll call and then we have to reorganize. Mrs. Power here, Mrs. Worthwine, Mr. Lions here, Mr. Smith here, Mr. Glennon here. Also present and participating are town manager Dunham, assistant town attorney Nazaro, and myself absent is
Bob Doerty. Also, Mr. Roach has stepped down from the board after 10 years of serving. So, but he is here in the audience. Thank you for your service. So, we will be um moving an alternate up, but that will be happening at the next commission
meeting. So, at this point, we'll entertain a motion to appoint someone as a chairman. It would need to be a full member. So, if there's anyone that uh would like to volunteer or uh make a nomination, um I'd like to nominate uh Paul Lions
who's served in that capacity many times over many years and um if he would be willing to accept it, I think he'd be a good chairman. Um thank you for that kind nomination and yes, I would accept it. All right, so we have a nomination. Are there any other
nominations? All right, hearing none, we can go ahead and proceed to a vote. We have a nomination to appoint Paul Lions as the chairman. You want to roll call her name? Mrs. Power. Yes. Mrs. Worthwine. Yes. Mr. Smith. Yes. Mr. Glennon. Enthusiastic. Yes. Yes.
With them. So with that, we're now looking for the appointment of a vice chairman. Do we have any nominations for anyone to serve as the vice chairman? Well, as chairman, I would recommend uh Mr. Tom Smith. Thank you. I'd be willing to serve. All
right. Are there any other nominations for vice chairman? Hearing none, Renee, can you please call the role to nominate Tom Smith as the vice chairman of the ARPB? Mrs. Power. Yes. Mrs. Northwine. Yes. Mr. Lions. Yes. Mr. Glennon? Yes. With that, I'm
happy to hand it over to our chairman, Mr. Paul Lions. Thank you. Um, I think we'll move to the minutes. Um, any additions, revisions? If not, could I have a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve. Second,
Mrs. Power. Yes. Mrs. Orwine? Yes. Mr. Smith? Yes. Mr. Glennon? Yes. Chairman Lions? Yes. Um, are there any additions, withdrawals, defs, arrangement of agenda items? No, sir. Great. Thank you. Our
next meeting is on um May 22nd. Um and uh please um coordinate with Renee on with your summer schedule so that we can make certain that we always have a quum because I don't like to see
meetings not held. Thank you. Um any uh ex partake communication on um applications for today? Nope. If none, thank
you. Um, whoever's going to speak, would you administer the oath? Raise your right hand, please. You're going to speak today. You swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. So, help you God. Make sure I get your names as you
speak for the record. So, I uh I think what is the first uh general item today? Maybe the only one. I think it's Okino. Yeah. Yeah. I would think it would be the um
Okotino um property. So, if they want to speak' would be great. Thank you. Good morning. Dustin Meiselle with Environment Design Group Landscape Architects in Palm Beach, Florida. um behalf of Elcortio Condominium, thank you for allowing us to be on the agenda
this morning. Uh just want to introduce who's going to speak and uh what they're going to talk about and then we'll wrap it up as quick as possible. Um uh after I do the introductions here, Valyria, the architect for my office is just going to come just do a quick one minute touch point of um what we had presented
to you last month. And then after that, uh, Eric Smith, who is the property manager, Rojo, is going to come just talk about the logistics of the refues, uh, how it's picked up, u, how the company handles it, um, and the timing and the hours. Then Bob Roer, who is a
board president, is going to come and speak on behalf of the board. And then, u, also Dr. Foot is here as well, just to share just a couple things about his residency there, uh, for many years. and then I'll come and finalize some additional exhibits and information and some thoughts we had to mitigate some of your concerns that we heard last month.
Okay, if that's all right with you, Valeri is going to come and just touch point real quick. Thank you. Hi, good morning everyone. Valeria Kintania. Um last month I came and presented to you the relocation of the trash enclosure for El Gorto and after
the presentation there were some comments on regards to the material that we were using if it was durable enough and also how the access to North Ocean Boulevard was going to affect the way that it's being served. So after the presentation we regroup with the client
um Mr. Bob Roer and we compare how this is being affected and that's why we're coming back today to present to you with additional exhibits. I'm Eric Smith. I'm the property manager for the Elcortio condominium. It's 24 units down in the south end of town. Uh
we have two dumpsters um and some recycle containers for um that get picked up twice a week. Well, the garbage actually gets picked up twice a week and recycle once. Um my guards take the garbage from uh the garbage rooms in
the garage and uh put them in the dumpsters and then roll the dumpsters out at night and then sometime during the next day um the uh garbage collection happens. We're not really sure what time of day that happens. We have to kind of keep an eye on the on
the bins while they're out there, but while they're out at the street, there's a little notch in our parking lot that allows for the the bins to be out of the the traffic lane. But as you come up to um the driveway exit to go either north or south, um it's a bit of a vision
block. uh you have to pull out a little bit into the uh north lane to see the cars coming uh from the uh from that direction. So, it's a little dangerous. Um so, that's basically uh the situation.
Uh, I'm Bob Roer and I'm the uh, president of the Elcortio Homeowners Association and I thank you for letting us take a second crack at this. U, to give you a little bit of a background, uh, two years ago, the uh, the owners
voted in a a new board uh, that was committed to being more proactive in uh, uh, some enhancements and improvements both to the uh, the building and the property. And uh as a start to that program, we uh we did a survey of our 24
owners in terms of what do they consider to be the priorities that we would want to have in terms of consideration. And amongst the top was the uh was the garbage collection uh first and foremost for the uh the safety aspects of it. uh as uh as Eric had just
uh referenced, uh when you're um uh pulling out of our or egressing from uh Elcortio, uh you uh when the when the garbage is out, you have to almost inch your way out into the northbound traffic in order to see what's coming from the
southbound. And uh you know, it's I myself has had you sometime you pull out too soon or not soon enough or enough. And that I think it's an accident waiting to happen. Also, it's a it's an eyes I mean, it's an eyesore. I think we're probably the only property certainly the only condominium property
in in uh in Gulfream that actually has their collection right there in front of their front front entrance. Uh so, um uh that was something that we wanted to address as part of an overall uh enhancement to our uh um uh westside uh
landscape, which is basically the front end of our building. And since we had that um patch of land real estate just north of us, we felt that that might be uh an opportunity to uh uh uh alleviate
our uh egress problem and do it in a way that would not be jeopardize any of the uh the view from A1A. And so um that's we had hired environmental design group to do that overall thing. And that was one of the uh the asks that we had is they take
that into consideration as part of their proposal. So um I think you heard some of that proposal last time and uh we're here to uh answer any further questions you may have and thank you very much for your time. Uh my name is Bruce Foot and I
thank you for giving me the time to speak. I've been a resident at Elcart for 28 years and it's always been a problem, but especially now with more traffic and with the proposed closing of the um bridge next year, it's going to
be a real problem because every time you pull out and when the garbage bins are out, um it's it's a danger. Uh, as I say, in the 28 years I've been there, there's been a few times that I've just didn't
see somebody coming and it was a near accident. Um, the proposal that they came up with is something I've dreamed about for the tw, you know, a long time. I've always wondered why somebody didn't
do something about this much sooner than what we're requesting to have it done. Thank you. Thank you. Uh what we're looking at here, just to kind of regroup, sheet L3, you can see the current trash location, refuge area, excuse me, in the northwest
corner. Um as U Bob mentioned, um I'm not aware of any other condominiums that have to push it to the street. The issue is the circulation. You can't pull the large trucks into this parking lot and then get out uh in any kind of way at I have a Toyota Tundra truck and I have to do a three-point turn just to make that
radius there towards the north. So that the cans have to be pushed to the street. Um when you look at sheet 3.1 and Renee, if you don't mind advancing that, um you know, we went ahead and um put some standard visibility triangles FDOT recommended. The issue is, you
know, if you're pulling out and you're trying to go southbound, which would be to the left, um you have to have enough visibility to see the cars coming from the north. Um, and as Eric mentioned, the property manager, the cans, uh, the refuge bins have to be pushed far enough to the street, uh, to be able to get out
of the width of the throw of the driveway so cars can come. So, the visibility problem is, you know, typically nothing taller than 18 inches can be an invisibility triangle. Um, you know, these are well over four feet tall. Uh, so the safety issue, it's a little bit of a self-imposed as far as
we have limitations on site. The trucks can't pull off the road to get them. We've got to push them close enough to the street because if not then the driveway is not wide enough. So by the time we do that when you're in a car you're seeing the face of the bin as opposed to the people coming southbound. So the danger is you pull southbound you
don't see anybody even get sideswipe. I'm surprised there hasn't been you know an accident yet. It's a legitimate concern. We've heard that not just from board president from but from other residents and members as well. So we just threw those visibility triangles down there. And as Eric mentioned there's never a time certain time that
the truck's going to come. So it's got to be put out the night before. They could come first thing in the morning. They could come more towards midday. Uh so it becomes, you know, a problem for at least a half day, two to three times a week. So um moving forward to sheet, uh um 4.0. Um you can see what we're
proposing is to uh put doors on the back side, which would be the west side. um modify the landscaping there and do a reinforced uh lawn connection um so that those bins could be rolled out to the street um from that side, you know, in
the grass um and not um have to be anywhere in the visibility triangle. In that exhibit, you can see kind of where that dash line is. They would just be eastward of the dash line. So, even if we push them out, they're still out of what would be a full DOT um visibility triangle. Uh sheet
L.5 L5.0 a little bit of a blowup. you can see better. Um, so and it would have like this little soft curve to it. So as you're coming northbound, heading northbound, excuse me, all you'll see is the hanced landscaping. As you're heading southbound, uh, you certainly wouldn't see it either. You'd have to turn your
head at the exact 45 degree at any point to be able to even see that this was a entrance uh to some place. Um, some of the questions was the durability. Um, what we would use is a product called Grass Pave 2. Uh it's a corrugated uh honeycomb type system that's placed in
the soil. The grass is laid on top. Uh and what that ensures is that the um grass is sustainable. See what kills grass is not a weight of the blades being pushed down. What kills the grass um is when soil is compacted. So when
people walk on the same path you see at the college campus, you see a little Indian trail almost uh it's every time you walk and you compress soil, oxygen and air can't get in the soil. So what happens is this honeycomb system displaces the weight of anything and then the soil doesn't get compressed or
compacted. So the grass does fine. If you look at sheet L6.0 uh you see fire trucks. Uh a lot of times municipalities will use this in situations where they don't want to see hardcape. They don't want to see a designated path for whatever reason. And you can park you can drive fire trucks on it. Uh because
again the weight is displaced on the subsurface honeycomb system. So the grass is sustainable. So that's what we would use. But visually as you drive by, you don't see a hardcape path. You don't see a delineation of a refuge uh landing. You just see grass that's consistent with all the other grass in
the swale. You don't see the subsurface, which allows us to push it and also won't kill the grass because it displaces the weight. And when you look at sheet L 7.0, thank you Rene for your help. You can see the amount of landscaping we're going to do. We're going to really, you know, enhance it up, beef it up. It's part of our curb
appeal approach to the whole project anyways. And uh you know on behalf of Okertio you know our commitment is you know if if you would consider this um that you know it's going to be significantly enhanced with landscaping it would not be visible from public rightway and we're going to do the right
subsurface so the grass is sustainable and at any point if the grass was ever to decline you know it could even be a conditional approval you know we will be committed to replacing it. Um so when you look at sheet I would skip ahead to L8.0 know um you know that's our desired
intensity um that you know all you see from the rideway is is um the planting uh the grass along the rideway just kind of turned into a little node. I mean um nobody would even know it was the entrance. It's just kind of like a little pocket of the grass and sheet 8.1. We kind of ghosted the refu area uh
in in in the back there. Uh so again um you know thank you for listening to it uh again yesterday. Um you know Mr. Nazaro had called our office and you know said well what changes you know had you made you have to review them and uh and so we explained to him that it was it was less about changes. It was more
about more information to you and and also having um some of the residents and and and also the property manager speak and also to rethink you know how how we could really make this not look at all like it's a traverse. Uh it's just a little bit of a relief in the landscape
and that our commitment to using the right products would be sustainable. So I appreciate uh Mr. Nazaro the opportunity to present today and so it's really more of a reconsideration and importance of that it's not aesthetic at all. Nobody's going to see this. It's not pretty. Uh you know it's just going
to disappear into the landscape. So uh so it's not something that sometimes people come to you and say well it's a hardship but they just want to look nice. It's not in any way. We do feel like that it's a true hardship for safety uh visibility as well. I mean, you know, to drive by and see these for three times a week, half a day is not
aesthetically pleasing. But the bigger thing, as Dr. Fa mentioned, is really the safety and uh and I know doc um Mr. Roer as well speaking on behalf of the other residents. So, thank you for the consideration and happy to answer any questions. Okay. So, I'll um I live across the
street from Elcarto and I agree that they're they're unsightly when they're out, but it it does look like that in slide 3.1 that there's a fairly large space for those giant trucks to get there to at least lift those bins and pull them up. If instead you were gonna pull when when and how are you going to
pull those bins out across that grassy area? Are they gonna stay on the side there and then when the truck pulls up in front of them blocking the whole lane on A1A, you're going to drag the bin out and who's going to do that? Well, good question. Well, right now, um, they
don't pull in at all. They block the road right now, traffic, and then they roll them from the existing driveway apron to the street themselves. So they don't come on that shaded area there now and lift them up. They they block the traffic right now. So it' be the same
thing. It's just if you look at um sheet um 5.0 um uh you see the little dash line in the gray. We would leave it just eastward of there. So it's out of the visibility for our for our residents and then they would literally just push it the remaining six feet like they do now.
But but the thing is the good thing is if they were just east of that visibility line, which is the dash line, uh if even if they stayed out half a day, it wouldn't be visible by people driving by because they'd be tucked in that little landscape niche. So I think the spirit of what we had talked about the last time was looking
at alternatives, right, that would not aca. Did you really look at all of the options that you've got with all of the space in terms of how you could actually maybe change your entrance so that you could have the trash pickup back in like it does to other buildings and
access, you know, the storage facility? Yeah, you know, um, good question. And we did, and we looked at this, um, even before you asked us to last month in our initial studies, and there's just no way of, um, that we've been able to find
that uh, would compromise the loss of any parking, which we can't lose. Uh, I mean, if we could lose parking, which we can't, uh, I mean, it's just not possible. So, we do have a new waist hauler. So now would be an opportunity opportune time
to reach out to them and make sure that what they're doing is is safe and maybe if there is another way to to do it. We would certainly have a discussion with them and direct them to to reach out to the property manager and and have some sort of meeting. They've been very responsive so far. So um to alleviate
maybe some issues with the safety concerns, we can address that sort of with a with a contractor directly because we do have backdoor service. So, my thought is that they go in and get the bins and bring them out. I'm sorry, Renee. I think they should go in and get
the bins and bring them out. They shouldn't have to bring the bins out. It's unsightly there. Yeah. I mean, we do have backdoor service. Y'all pay for backdoor service. So, they should go get the bins and bring them out. They shouldn't have to sit them out there. If I may respond, I agree with everything
he's saying. I I think the the bigger issue is um what would end up happening is because I don't think with the the circulation we have in the building it's so tight in the angle uh since they can't physically get the trucks in there and get out that if they would go back door service that they would have to
block the traffic but for an extended period of time because they'd have to come into the property and push the bins themselves extent of our parking lot and come out. So it would just block traffic. But we all experience I I live I'm the only one here that lives in an apartment. That's part of life in an apartment. When the garbage is being picked up, it's going to block your
traffic and you're going to have to sit and wait five minutes. It's how it goes. It's very unsightly now, as you say, and I agree that you don't know whether they're coming at 7:00 in the morning or at noon. Maybe it would help if they knew that. I don't know if they set the schedule yet. So, when we talk to them,
Trey, it may be good if we find out when they are going to be there. I still think they're actually studying traffic patterns themselves. Um, so maybe if if they knew that you could wheel them out and it was between 7 and 8 in the morning, it would be fine. But I agree, they're there for sometimes half of a
day, twice a week, which is a long time. And they are unsightly. I see these are Coastal bins. So these are new bins that they've already delivered to you. I think that we'd be smart to wait and talk to Coastal and see what they would or would not do in terms of access. They
they've said they'll I live down a drive that's 400 ft before you get to the house and they don't want to come back in there, but they're coming back in there because it's contractually binding on in our agreement with the town. So, I think it isn't a question of will they they're going to have to do it, but we should find out. Maybe they could pin
you down to a specific time so that you knew and maybe they would wheel the bins themselves. I think that we we want to find out that before we before we pass on this. Um I I don't know. I think the consensus now would be that we're not in favor of it. So we're we're trying to
find a solution for you other than just saying no. Right. Right. Okay. Is the anticipated time that the truck would have to stop and block A18 traffic the same uh you know same as current? Do you anticipate it being quicker in a new in
your proposal or do you right or about the same amount of time that that A1A would be blocked? Right. Good question. in our proposal same it' be dimminimous I think in the idea of them coming in themselves and we are over there would significantly extend it and um uh and I
guess I would just ask the question like I I know you were against the last month I I hear the tone today um just for me you know um you know I guess I you know if you could in a and I'm asking this in in a very respectful way if we can just
get some more feedback on why it's so um you not desirable or not thought of as a good approach. I mean, what we're saying today is we have to push them to the street, not going to drop block the road for 10 minutes or whatever. How long it's going to take for them to come unlatch the gate, mobilize and move them
and just continue to impact other residents and they're unsightly. You saw the photo and we're literally going to hide them at landscaping. And so I just if I have more clarity on the push back, it might help us as well. Uh I just know you're against it. I I don't know why.
So, I I did a little research on ASHTO, which is the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials, and they establish national standards for road safety and design. And your idea violates a lot of what they would suggest doing. Um, it
requires a large vehicle to cross into opposing traffic lanes and then reversing backwards. Um it also they generally like trash trucks to be able to enter going forward and exit going forward as well. So a lot of times if there's an accident that happens courts
will look at whether we follow excuse me as um design principles. So I feel like it could create a liability for the town um if we went ahead and approved passes. Right. I understand. Um but I want to be clear what we're proposing doesn't change what
they're doing now. They stop in the street, they push the bins, and then they lift them and they push them back. I mean, it's it would be the same program. Don't they have to back into the pathway? No. They literally stop traffic and they do all this in the middle of the
street, right? So, to your point, it's true, but that's not the way it's operated now. And and so as they're stopping traffic now, for them to walk through the parking lot, unlock the gate, do everything, bring that and then they've got to bring them back. I mean, I don't know if that's 10
minutes or 15 minutes. I'm not trying to exaggerate, but I mean, you know, I mean, that's the whole that's like a that's like another bridge closing. Aside from Jamaica Square, are there any other buildings that bring their trash straight to the street?
Bob, are you familiar with any? Well, I think Jamaica Square, which is just south of us, he's got a a fence there and they open that fence and take their garbage. And I think all the other buildings, the
the trash truck pulls in. Yeah. To the building and is off the street during this time, not obstructing traffic on A1A. Because it's only the buildings that have these big bins that actually take time to be lifted and put in.
So my personal what I wonder about is um the ideal situ the ideal situation for your residents and for the town would be to have that big vehicle go into your
property, turn around, pick up the garbage and leave. And as you enter off A1A, you have these islands. I don't know what's exactly in the middle, all
those things. Uh, but is there a way that you could create a way for the for the truck to come in, make a turn, maybe have to back up once or twice, and then pick up the garbage from its existing
location. Yeah. If you were to start from scratch, if you didn't have anything there, could you create a a path where the truck could actually come in, turn around, and pick it up? If we were starting from scratch, uh, it
potentially could work, but since we're not, one, we would lose parking. And then the pinch point is at the north corner there um where all the existing transformers and utilities are and then that's the pinch point for them to be able to mobilize.
Um I mean I I I guess like you know we could meet with the company, meet with the truck, have them go through the project. I don't think that's been done yet. Maybe I could I need you to go to the microphone sir. Yeah. Uh you know having been a resident
there now for six years. Uh if you were the right now we have about 12 spots for um for visitor parking and when you come in immediately when you come in uh in come into Elcorteo you make a right hand
down that goes down into the underground parking and we have six spots on one side of that median and six spots on the other side of that median. We also have a big uh electrical transformer that's down at the most east portion of that.
And so we have a very tight turn. I think it would be almost impossible for a big M uh to come in on the left side and and turn around. There's just not enough room for that. Uh if was a smaller if we had smaller trucks, you might be able to get around the turn
between the uh transformer and the uh which is covered by landscape so that we don't see it. But um we're undergoing concrete restoration right now and we've had large uh trucks in there. And what's happened is a lot of the uh the
stonework for our sidewalks that go along there have all been chipped and and whatnot. So we're we were reluctant to to try to make we'd have to I guess move the transformer and rellandscape that whole area to try to get a a bigger turn radius to make it look to allow a
larger truck to come through there. And I think we're trying to avoid that. I think, you know, from my own perspective and having looked at uh the environmental design group uh uh uh plan, we thought that uh this was sort of a win-win because we weren't creating
any more traffic on A1A than we currently have. uh we've eliminate the uh the the the sight sightly factor of uh of the uh the bins being out there and the traffic hurt and we haven't uh we thought we were doing it in a track
in a way that would be more attractive frankly to the traffic that comes and goes along A1A and just thinking about one one thing I I'll step away for Mike to show you the screen where I don't think it's logistically possible is when you come in right here they can't make this turn potentially they can make this
with a two or three point. The pinch point is all the equipment, utility, transformer, and this is a port to share. The building hangs over. It's impossible to get. I said I have a Toyota Tundra and I have to do three points to get around there. So, um I'm not pushing back. I just you asked is it
possible? I don't think it is. That's So, in the interest of disclosure, um my father actually owned a condo in El Cortio and I lived there uh or he lived there for 20 plus years once an upstairs neighbor of Dr. foot. Um, and I will say
that the the parking lot is very narrow and hard to maneuver. Even like even if there were two cars, like two larger cars that are trying to like pass one another, it's more or less impossible, let alone for a large truck and over over, you know, 20 years of of seeing
that it is very hard to get trucks to maneuver in that state. Even like a pickup truck to maneuver in that parking lot is is rather difficult. So, I sympathize with the fact that the, you know, the parking lot is currently constructed is hard to maneuver in. Um,
does the current trash pickup block both both lanes or like both directions of A1A or is it only currently one? No, just one. Eric, um, how long does it really take to walk those bins from where they are out to the street? I mean, is it two
two, three minutes, five minutes? I guess it's maybe four minutes. They don't roll. They don't roll really easy, do they? When they're full, they are quite a chore to uh, you know, I I'm I'm over 250 and I put my full weight behind it and start, you know, so it it does
take some time to get it out there. It's quicker coming back, but you have to control it. Those things can get away from you because the the boxes are pretty heading to themselves empty. So I would say probably four minutes to get them out and maybe three two minutes to put them back. It's would seem that we should take the
time to talk to coastal resources and put a little bit of the question on them if they can have them go back there and grab them and wheel them out to the street. There's a little bit of space in the front there in your 3.1 thing where you've highlighted the the sight lines where that truck could actually maybe
pull, you know, parallel to the road right in front of you waiting for those for them the guys to jump out and get the bins. So, I mean, I think we should have wait and see if they could do that. It would it would solve your problem. You wouldn't have to leave them out there all day. They would bring them out. You see, you see in 3.1 you got
that shaded area. May maybe if the truck could pull into that shaded area, still parallel to the road, but wait for the wait for the men or women to pick up the bins and bring them out. Um I'd like to see if they would do that before we made a decision. Maybe.
Yeah, I'm in. Yeah, I'm in favor of trying to um accommodate the neighbors in the community because there has been some expression by neighbors uh that they don't really care for this new proposal. Uh on the other
hand, I'd like to address the concerns of your residents. And if we could do it by some logistics, uh that's kind of a win-win in my opinion. And I, you know, um I just have I I believe there's no
reason why we shouldn't be able within some narrow window. Renee, I don't know whe this is Paul who who deals with pick up. We could definitely talk to Coastal. Very good. But I mean, I would hope that we could coordinate with I I believe it's as much as just telling them, not asking
them. We tell them because it's in our contract for backdoor service. I'm not sure that I like the idea of meeting with them and looking at different alternatives first. Um
uh because there's I'm sure there's something that we may not be looking at at this point in point in time, but uh I I would be in favor of doing that. I'm sorry that might take another meeting but
um I mean that would be my recommendation because as you said we have had complaints from neighbors. So So are you are you willing to defer to
uh the next meeting and in the interim um staff and and your property manager can work together? I mean, I've got I've got them. Let's see. I I don't remember if this is a front end loader or backend loader. I think it's a front end loader,
right? Yeah. Front. And there's probably only two people on that truck if I'm not mistaken. So, uh by contract, I think it's it's three. We have three. That was one of the reasons we went with Coastal.
There's three. And it will take all three of those to obviously move that that that that bend. So well, Chairman L to your question. Um yeah, I that would be fine. I think if we could just and we can coordinate this with town staff. If we could meet with Coastal on site,
right? You know, and and a couple things. One, see if they could even maneuver a truck any differently. We can do that in site. Um we can time, okay, how long does it take to for you to park your truck, go there, come back, and then we'll have the information. One, they can do it. Yes or no. Two, it took
them 15 minutes. Traffic was stopped for 15 minutes. Our residents couldn't get out. And then you guys can weigh in and what's better, what's worse. And we can al we can also talk about the timing as to when they make these pickups. Uh I don't know if we might be able to establish a time that's more No, we'd be
more than willing to defer it, have that conversation with them, coordinate with staff, and then then leave with a denial today. For sure. I think Eric would know. They they're not predictable yet. I mean, the they were predictable before. They came like at 8:00 in the morning or something, but now they come
randomly between 7 in the morning and noon. I think it's they're still setting the routes, still practicing. The other thing is is if they're streaming on the truck, they may let somebody off of the truck on the way south to wheel the bins out and then they're there when they come back. I don't know. I think we
talked to Coastal. There's a I met with a woman already from Coastal was fantastic and was very accommodating. You probably have spoken to her, too. So, I think that she'd meet with you on site. We can talk to her about it. Yeah. And we'll coordinate that with staff. Excellent. So, um I think we'll make a
motion to defer it. Okay. I'll make to defer Yeah. defer the application until our next meeting on May 22nd. Second. Mrs. Power. Yes. Mrs. Orwin. Yes. Mr. Glennon. Yes. Vice Chairman Smith, yes.
Chairman Lions, yes. And thank you for your patience, cooperation on this. Appreciate it. Mr. Lions, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I think that's it, right? Oh, yeah.
Sounds good. Trey or Greg, do you have anything? And just that when we have an application that doesn't follow the directive of the the board like we had in this case where they were directed specifically to pull it um to eliminate
the entrance on A1A. uh it it puts staff in a difficult position because obviously now we have you know everyone that lives in the property coming in to testify and they really want to get their opportunity. Um, you know, so I just was hoping that I could get some instruction from staff that or to staff
rather that, you know, this was an acceptable way to manage the application and really put it to you or should we just not process the application and say you already had your opportunity, we need to see an entrance, you know, we need to see an application that meets that in the future. Um, you know, it
puts us in a tough position where the ARPB says, you know, make it, you know, just so it's very black and white. No, you cannot have a two-story house, make it one story, and then they come in with a revised two-story house. I mean, what what does staff do? Do we just say,
"Okay, well, they're refusing to meet it, but here's their application," or, you know, should we, you know, say, "No, this application doesn't meet the requirements the ARPB set. You were already denied a two-story house." Again, just, you know, by way of
example, um, and we're going to have to make you wait for another meeting, you know. So, just, you know, some instruction on that. If you feel like it was handled appropriately, great. if you feel like we should be a little bit more um uh strict with with your
direction in the future. Well, I in my opinion, I I listened to the I wasn't able to attend that last meeting, but I listened to the video and very clear to me that um the residents um other than El Corino
um were not in favor of this. Um, our code on certain size properties require that you have your garage um to the side, not in front. And so putting
uh some gates in front of a garbage dump on A1A, I'm not in favor of. Um now I I I think we just have to work through the whether there was another way and I I think there is another way and um I think we communicated that clearly that
you have to figure out another way but I think you handle it um consistent with what uh the ARPB expressed at the meeting. Okay. All right. Um and but I also think that we should go overboard to try to accommodate and then and the
most particularly they have a a fair hearing where everybody's had their opportunity to speak. Okay. Um it wouldn't it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to change but they had that opportunity. So I mean my opinion is they had the opportunity twice Paul. Right. So they
came back, we were very clear with them and then they basically presented the exact same plan again with no change. So to me that's a little bit maybe we should have just said to them we're not going to entertain anything that opens on to A1A and then they can
decide what they're going to do. We maybe should have done that but I should get that hint. I mean I don't think anything we said today is we're talking about how they can get the containers out there without a new entrance. I don't I don't see we're going to do that. But were we wrong? Not wrong, but
should we have told them that? Well, you know, with benefit of hindsight, maybe. Um um I I mean I they asked a fair question. Um with the planning that they're proposing with the path that goes a
little to the right back in, would you see it from the street? Um they're claiming you won't. Um I'm not sure that's a legitimate um assumption. Um but if you don't see it from the
street and there's some safety issues and the way it's working now, I mean the logistics have to change anyway, having those dumpsters out there for the night before maybe doesn't get picked up until 4:00 the next day is
awful. Um, so and I think it's a good good news is we're going to address the logistics and um I think your point on you know apartment living is it can sometimes be inconvenient. I mean there just um you know it is what it is. I
mean it's life, right? So any case any any other discussion? Any other items from staff? No sir. Thank you. That concludes our meeting. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you, Curtis.