##VIDEO ID:iJKb3ZUUk_s## e e morning Rene good morning all right we're ready to go Mr Murphy we're ready Trey will have to come in and join because we're going to start okay good morning everyone I'd like to call to order this morning's meeting of the architecture review and planning board of Thursday September the 26th 2024 and with that Renee please can you call the rooll Mr Smith here Mrs orwine here Mr Lions here chairman Murphy here let it also be known president participating as Town manager Dunham assistant Town attorney nazaro myself and absent with notice as Vice chairman doer Curtis roach Brian cter and Terry power thank you um I hope you've all had a chance to look at the minutes of the meeting of July the 30th if there aren't any comments um please could I get a motion to approve them I move they be approved as presented I second Mr Smith yes Mrs orwine yes Mr Lions yes chairman Murphy yes uh Rene any additions withdrawals deferments or Arrangements of agenda items no sir thank you and now we Face the forthcoming meetings all right Rene we're open to your suggestions we do all right so the next three meetings we need to move them back one week to the third Thursday of the month the November and December is due to holiday and October is a personal reason for me I have had the opportunity to um do a hymn recording with the Prague philarmonic Orchestra okay so I will be in Prague wonderful for that week so so what are those dates so it would be let's go from October as well because that was in October the 17th uh oh I'm sorry you said October 17 October 17th yeah November the 21st and December the 19th okay I do know that Mr doery and Mr cter will be back in October so if any of you have issues right thank you for that we now move on to the public hearing part of our meeting this morning um is there any expart communication relating to the items that have been presented to us this morning no no thank you Renee please can you administer the Oaths to anyone who wishes to speak this morning raise your right hand you swear to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth to help you go thank you with that we move on to the first item on this morning's agenda and the agent for Joseph and Laura bot would they please present themselves everybody hello morning morning Rene presentation my name is Eileen I'm Joseph and laur's agent we are proposing a new concrete seaw wall marinal Dock and a 24K AMF vlift installation at 996 Pelican Lane col stre Florida 33483 currently we have approval from both the fdp and the Army corpse and since we were farther than 300 ft from a federal Channel we were able to obtain both state and federal approvals from the FD so we do have that in hand now that is the approval that everybody should have in front of them and if you look at number one on there that'll be your state approval number three will be your federal and the file number is also on there if you want to reference that third slide is Waters Edge Marine inspections report findings when the builders were getting ready to start the whole process with the house they went ahead and had Waters EDG Marine go to the site and do an inspection of the seaw wall that was there at the site at the time which is currently still there and they found that there were a lot of cracks lot of cavities the cap was poured very thinly so there is a lot of Expos rebar which will eventually rust all that being said they did find that once the Upland started to be developed the new seaall well there would have to be a new seaw wall installed we are keeping the existing seaw wall as extra support and then installing a new seaw wall in front and then we're going to pour a 24x 36 in cap to kind of tie it all in together and then also we're installing King and batter piles as extra support too we're going to remove all the batter piles that were there before here on the next slide we have all the project details so a little bit more specifics it's going to be about 95 linear feet of new concrete seaw wall again it is going to be in front of the existing within 18 in that is what the f requires in order to stay within their exemption here you have the dimensions 36x 24 the dock instulation it will be a marginal dock it's going to be with composite decking I also have some decking for everybody you want me to pass it around should I pass it over here yes so we are using Barefoot gray which is this one right here and on the back there's also some kind of fun facts about it and I also put them on the next slide so so this composite decking is one of our favorites to use it's super durable really easy to maintain you don't have to use the oil to maintain like you would the wood it's a lot less m M and it can hold a lot more heat here is all the stuff that you see on the back of it so the UV protection pack the high load live load ratings and all of the kind of specifics about the material and yeah it's pretty pretty simple project we're just doing seaw wall we're starting a new marginal dock going along Shoreline and then new boat lift so that the homeowners can enjoy their Waterfront okay in the letter you um provided from the Department of Environmental Protection for the verification and the approval it's dated November 9th last year is there any time limit on that for no well usually it's between three years to five yeah they give you a pretty long span and if anything like it's really easy to renew it but it's usually five years yeah it was just I wondered if there was a limitation or time term on terms of the no yeah usually it's a lot more than we're definitely in the time Pro for now okay than Malcolm um it's it's sort of related to this did they unify the title yet on this property have they unified there was a title issue when this property when the home was built um that little place where the in fact where the seaw wall is going to be was a separately deeded parcel of property am I remembering correctly annexed yeah it has been annexed in okay all right that's a question and the entire seaw wall would be on the property it doesn't encroach not not the batter piles and the and the but the seaw wall itself is is within the property line yes sir it is within the property line do you have any responses Renee from Neighbors I have not I'm curious uh neighbors to the uh East South they're actually probably in Del R aren't they yes sir that's correct so I don't do we don't even have to notify them no they don't provide yeah we don't we're not required to provide notice outside of Gulf Stream under our code the really the only curious question I have is with the uh the dock and the bolet you really extend into that canal and I don't know it's not a very wide Canal but I guess if the authorities Environmental Protection and that's why is that an issue at all you follow my question because it's very narrow well it seems narrow right I don't really as nrow know that for sure so usually the fdp they allow you to go 25% of the width of the Waterway but this canal is very small like you said so that's why we're proposing a marginal dock if usually other canals when they're a little bit bigger we'll do like a finger Pier down or more so so they can walk down but a lot of these canals in Gulfstream we need a marginal Dock and it it's not really spanning that much I believe it's 5T for this one or 4T 7 in it's not going much into the waterway at all and the as a general rule of thumb the fdp usually says 25% of the width of the Waterway so you know what she's describing is not permitted under town code you know um they are required to have a very narrow dock which they do and then a boat lift that's placed consistently with our code so it's within the sort of the center of the property um I believe it's a four four poost um lift um you know um as far as the the setbacks on the property um from the neighbors and that being an issue you know reviewed the application and staff found that was acceptable it is a a narrower Canal um but I think it still has adequate how high above the SE will the lifting equipment be the it's going to be flush with the co right any more questions no no no the equipment's above the seaw wall cap the oh I the dock or the B lift equipment the lift mechanism is five five okay the dock that you were referring to or the boat lift the boat lift posts okay the boat lift it should be if anything 6 in is usually what they do 6 inches to a foot or they either do it flush with it or they do six inches to a foot just to account for the specifications of the manufact well she's talking about the posts that hold the lift they look like they go four or five feet above oh like how high they [Music] are the ground and then I know do you want to take that at the microphone and then talk to her okay let's see doesn't look like he necessarily specified them on here but I do know that usually they're embedded 10 ft into the ground and then whatever you whatever height the town wants us to cut it at we can cut it at whatever height you guys need us to but usually they go 10t into the ground and then however long the pilings are that's how much we'll come about that make sense do we know if there's a stipulation on that in terms of height terms uh there is I think it's only 4T Above This the seaw wall and then do we know the size of the boat that's proposed for the it I'm not completely sure it's a 24K AMF boat lift that we're doing I believe the boat is 20,000 pounds I can get the specific specifications for you guys if you need it but do not have them on file I don't I honestly am not completely even sure if the if they've purchased because when the builders came to us I didn't think that the homeowners had the vessel in mind that they were going to put on that lift we just accounted for a 24K to kind of keep the options big 24K bullets can hold a lot of weight on it but I'm yeah when they came to us I don't believe that they had a vessel in mind to put on that list yet Trey I think or I think Katie's I we we should pin that down in our approval the height has to be you know if it was five or six feet it'd be offensive it's as tall as a person four post sticking there and often times there's no boat on and it's not very attractive Mak do you think you'd be willing to meet our code cap is a four feet Trey so the top of the motor you know there's a motor mounted sort of on top of the post so low profile piling Boat Lifts um are permitted providing the lifting equipment does not exceed a maximum height of 5 feet above the seaw wall the maximum size of the vessel is 34 feet and then when it is out of the water it cannot exceed 10 feet above the seaw wall so we need to make sure that you know what is proposed meets those that criteria account of the vessel that's going to be lifted as well we have to take okay I I'll see if the engineer can add the vessel on to the plans once we resubmit to the city that way you guys can see how far it's encroaching and everything so we will need to add that into the motion that um the height of the uh lift has to be within the town's code after all this work is done um you'll certify I you'll go over and look at it it'll be right there's a final sign off by the town before the appointment is issued if there are no more questions um please could I ask for a motion yeah I I'll make a motion to recommend approval of a level three architectural site plan to permit the construction of a new 95 ft linear feet seaw wall within 18 in waterw wet face to wet face of the existing seaw wall new batter piles new king piles and a new seaw wall cap overpour and to permit the construction of a new 58 feet by 3 foot wood no not wood dock um composite composite uh dock composite wood dock with Boat Lifts to conform to U the specifications and codes of the Gulf Stream um manual is it a second please I second Mr Smith yes M swine yes Mr Lions yes chairman Murphy yes thank you thank thank you yeah I get please thank you and with that we move on to the second item on the agenda the application for Avenue O don't forget that [Music] thanks good morning folks Carrie glickstein for Bluewater Cove LLC uh with me today are Luis Vera with affinity Architects Lis V vallejos valos with Majestic views landscape architecture and landscaper uh as well as Neil wood uh the engineer with sea engineering uh I don't know how you want to approach these uh presentations and approvals um um the home pieces of this are straightforward enough the the Shoreline unlike the last application you have was a new Shoreline and it was permitted for both Lots seven and eight which are part of our development but we also I'm sorry we'll do them in the order we're on 2745 we'll make them discreet applications correct I'm sorry so the the first one we're hearing right now is 2745 which is the demolition of of of of of a home in play Sol no you're not doing that's not ours yes it is okay okay well then that's is there is there someone to I can speak to that okay all right sorry no no that's all right and then that's the next item and then it's up on there and then it's the shoreline and then finally we'll do the the property yep fair enough check should we reset it's really I mean it the whole Shoreline is integral so happy this is just the demolition permit so happy to uh answer any questions on that the only question is apparently there's a giant tree in the front yard yeah and you're suggesting it be removed um it's a black olive yeah hi my name is Louis blahos I'm uh landscape architect uh yes uh the tree in the front is a large black olive um we I I mean we can the owner doesn't want it because it's a mess on the driveway on the street the droppings and so forth um we're planning on replacing it you know down down the road and we've got it in our calculations as everything else we're uh we're proposing to remove and the few trees that are not in the way of construction uh there's a beautiful uh silver Buttonwood uh to the north and uh coconuts to the north that are on the property uh we are going to uh maintain uh also the two Hedges on the north and south of the property even though they're a mix we are going to maintain at this at this point for privacy to the adjacent owners and replace them down the road when we come uh to you uh with our proposed new landscape plan and architecture but uh yes we are proposing to remove that black olive um you know we the owner and uh deemed it as messy and uh um does not want it on a new driveway or anything like that um understand about it being on a new driveway however the application's going for sod yeah Demolition and replace corre it won't be going onto a driveway and one of the um main impacts if that's removed when you enter Avenue you've got that Vista of the trees right yes and it will have a major major impact on Avenue O um also with the other applications we get where people take down trees it's immediately replaced with a tree or trees the Landscaping correct what you're presenting to if I understand it correctly is that the applications it stands remove the tree there'll be a period of time you'll come back to us with a plan for a a property with landscaping or whatever but correct let's deal with what you've got here in front of us and so there will be a a time lag between the proposal that the trees removed and and there's new Landscaping correct purposes yeah the reason we're coming in for demo now is because the plans will be ready next month maybe November so we just want to get the as so in that case the time the time frame short anyway right at which point have a new landscape pan coming in so and this is my point of view the uh negative I'm going to say negative impact it will have on Avenue C will be fairly short so therefore there's no point leaving it as in there's no sorry no point there's no point taking it down because from what you're saying is you're going to come in next month and ask for a a delay anyway are you sorry I'll start again I know I'll start again here we go kry had a reset I'm having a reset everyone's allowed one this morning okay so about two for me no we'll get to that point so because of the it will make a big difference as you enter Aven but from what you're saying is if this goes forward you're going to come back to us hopefully next month with a completely new proposal which will include landscape which we'll take into account which hopefully will mitigate some of that impact that's going to have on Avenue C correct yep so the fact that it's going to be there potentially obviously I'm not speaking for the board but potentially it's only going to be there if you desire to take it out and put new um prop new Landscaping in it's only going to be there for a limited period of time right so but the if you take it down immediately that's a period of time which is going to have a negative impact on Avenue that's just the point of view and in terms of the black olive absolutely we know that they're not good for drives but if you're putting sod in um it's not going to make that much difference it's gonna okay so so Malcolm are you suggesting they leave the tree up yes until and take it down well you'll make I think you could leave it up during construction in general I think you would take it down when you did your land yeah I think they we're looking at demolition doing it during demolition U because it's such a large tree and well it's not just taking it down it's digging up the the whole uh ball of the tree you know and and so forth yeah the distance between the tree and the properties and obviously obviously it's a big you know to get round it for demo but the other part is um I mean from your point of view can I ask why you're going to the point of demo tree the whole thing and if in a short amount of time you're coming straight back to say this is what we're going to build this is the Landscaping do you see that as a short M time we can't demolish the house after December 1 so we want to start construction in between that okay I see that just weren't quite ready with the plan so we just wanted to get the house down so we can start okay do you think be okay to leave it there take it down later or do the that's what the town wants right it it it would really because they'll have all the heavy equipment yeah you know during demolition it would just make sense it's just to remove the whole ball and and not just do a stump grind or something like that uh then it would limit putting a tree there down the road um we are replacing it with some large trees which is great which is we we native trees that are going to be nicer down the road you know we haven't decided you know if it's going to be Oaks or whatever but um yeah they're going to be sizable trees I don't know their location because I don't have the architecture I haven't designed the driveway yet or anything like that so um and then I wouldn't want to put a new tree um you know even with with a uh uh a barrier around it you know during construction as you know more than likely probably just I about the roots so I we're focusing on the timing of taking the tree down I'm not quite to the point where the tree should be taken down quite honestly um and what I'm concerned about uh is the domino effect every time somebody wants to take down one of these big trees um part of really what makes Gulfstream is some of these iconic beautiful trees the canopies and we've been pretty firm about not permitting that and we've had a number of requests I have a neighbor who wanted to take a big tree down because they want to get more sun on their pool and we said no you you can shape it but you can't take it down let me finish so um what you're asking the committee asking me I'll speak for myself is to trust that you're going to come back with what is called reasonable replacement trees um and I I guess you know we we could go that path um but what I think is reasonable replacement that might may not be what you think and you could end up putting in some very big trees but they have to be meaningful I mean I I would say you know in the context of five years they we back to sort of where we were I picked it five years maybe it's two maybe it's 10 I don't know but um if you went down that Avenue and I I drove it twice and then the neighborhood across the streets got a beautiful tree the neighbor a little further down on the left it's got a beautiful tree and all all those trees I don't know what your Association thinks about taking down all these trees but I I think that I think yeah Paul T you interrupt I think one of the challenges we've got with this application is normally when trees are taken down there's an immediate proposal to say we're replacing it with this and it's not I know about trust it is about trust but on the other hand from a desirable property point of view you're going to want to put in good Landscaping right absolutely we understand that I think this is the challenge we face that a significant tree that has an impact on um Avenue S if it's down how long will it be before we get the proposal back to what is going to be replaced with can I just play the if game that you were playing on let's propose that you said that um you take the tree down right say or we don't that's take we don't when would we expect to the board and obviously it has to come through the proposal for what's going to replace that property that's been taken down you said you can't demolish past the first of December when November about next month so it could be October that you could get your proposal and we're just playing at the staff yes the if games what to the staff you could get those the stuff you haven't had any I have a quick question you emailed me yesterday and said this may move to May so what what is happening did that change because that would make a big difference if it's not going to be till May they're not going to want this tree to come right so what we could do leave the up until get I yeah we're trying to move it forward it's just if you if you're going to turn around and say this is a four-week Hiatus and that's going to be next we're going with the plans the replacement trees it's everything we you know we can live when I say we can live with obviously has to go through the process but if May is a potential and that will be a signant po would yeah be so there is if it was set in stone that you were going to come back absolutely in October nail done um and I'm speaking personally here there's too much of a if in this so from my point of view I would um want to see the tree remaining and that's just my personal point of view because of the impact absolutely yeah if you going to turn around and say if you're coming around and saying we're taking it down we're going to replace it with these trees it's what we face just so you know I I visited the site and I'm familiar with the site I do a lot of work in the city and especially in now and um it's almost right around that turn right there and it is important and I I was more than thinking of if replacing it when replacing it um if we were going to do an oak not to get a standard single trunk but basically specifi like what we call a ranch Oak you know feel grown you know uh come in something sizable just to begin with I mean not initially because it has to be root pruned and has to be canopy pruned before you can move it on a trailer but something like like you said in in three to five years you know would be a sizable tree you know or trees you know in that area as I said I haven't seen the architecture haven't designed the driveway it might be something where you have two s able Ranch Oaks I don't know and that gives you the opportunity to work out I understand uh the construction end of it but I also can understand keeping it so if that's what you recommend then I I don't think that we would have a problem with that um uh we just for comparison purposes uh I would remind you guys two years ago I think is when we had another hurricane on the other side we had the tornado come over uh tore that tree on the corner down and Anthony and I went out and we found one uh I don't remember how much it costs but I mean it's doing very very good I that's just bring it up just for comparison purposes so you can look at that and see the size of it and see what you think and we'd consider the Landscaping as it comes in with plans and whatever as we do always correct um just a heads up it is a case of as it goes in not in five 10 years 15 years this bush is going to be 20 feet tall but we faced that before right right um but just because this is a unique situation um in terms of wanting to remove it and then over an undetermined amount of time possibly a month two months could be longer the negative impact it would have on Avenue solay but when the proposal comes in for whatever you're proposing there then really look forward to seeing it because you're cognizant of the fact that you need good Landscaping there because of what's being taken away do you want to go ahead and and demolish the home though in the fall do you want to go yeah okay yes all right so we're talking about a potential motion to demolish and accepting the one tree is that I I have a few more comments mind the town manager reminded me that um we had an application Polo Drive uh a major tree um approximately the same distance from the road as the tree in question here um and um it was decided that the per the owner had to maintain that tree we would not let them take it down and I don't think that's the first time and so when I look at this question I look in the context not of just your application but other applications and I know Tre has always advised us that each application on its own and bl BL but I mean I I'd like for a town to be consistent with the reasons if it's in the middle of the property you can't build your house well that I understand uh but it's because it's a little it's a dirty tree which I also understand but you know that's a little more manageable than preventing somebody to build a house they'd like to build um so I'm I'm still sort of challenged by this decision uh and by the way I withdraw the term trust um I'll call it devil in the detail because reasonable replacement trees we could discuss that all day long we never necessarily agree um so I I don't know um how we as a the arpb we have to look at in the context of not just this application I think but others I think so I think we've got to view this application as I say discreetly and so if you're willing to withdraw the aspect of the tree we can I think we can move forward because we will address your point Paul about the tree in the context of The Proposal with a landscaping solution correct which you're going to do at a future date correct I I I think just looking at it you know if we can come in there and and and replace it with something sizable something native and nicer like an oak or two you know I think the effect around that corner would be better than just one big tree and everything else that we installed there after would look um out of scale and that will be on the future not that that that could be wrong you know you know this is a discussion my thought process is evolving um as I suggested if we could see what it might look like in five years um I just want to be sure I think really at the end of the day um I'm going to be okay with this but as long as we make a decision about removing the tree in the context of of knowing what we're going to have in place and that will be on your future application definitely absolutely take it into context P Point Paul but at the moment we're considering I don't have a plan in front of me um I think also that um there's overhead power lines not imp plus no there aren't any they're underground because there is a pole if I'm not mistaken right there by a Transformer it's probably a street light ex let me just try to simplify this yeah I think we're getting there K the tree is off the table let's just move forward yeah let's just it's just a demolition permit for the house at this point so whatever comes next you guys have a full crack that so the tree your motion should eliminate anything to do with the tree we'll take any future Landscaping proposals on their merits as opposed to what if what maybe okay so and Paul that accommodates your point as well in terms of what Take It Forward if there aren't any further questions Tom could you make a sort of in the motion here already if you read the second page we get there get there okay um so I'll make a motion to recommend approval of a demolition permit to permit the demolition of the existing structure I second Mr Smith yes Mrs orwine yes Mr Lions yes chairman Murphy yes secondly I'll make a motion to recommend approval of a land clearing permit to permit the clearing of the property of any vegetation in the way of future construction does vegetation count is a tree well it sort of comes in the next motion but I can add it to this one okay uh with the exclusion of with the exclusion of the Black Olive Tree on in the front of the property right m i second Mr Smith yes Mrs orwine yes Mr Lions yes chairman Murphy yes um I'll make another motion to recommend approval of a level three architectural site plan to permit the demolition of the existing structure clear the property of any vegetation in the way of future Construction with the exclusion of the black olive tree in the front of the property and disad and irrigate the lot with the following conditions any subsequent application there you can remove that condition because that related to um removing the tree so did correct yes great so that's the so the motion so there with no condition then so who want me to read it again please please Tom okay motion to recommend approval of a level three architectural site plan to permit the demolition of the existing structure clear the property of any vegetation in the way of future construction and Toad and irrigate the lot excluding the removal of the black olive tree on the front of the property I second Mr Smith yes Mrs orwine yes Mr Lions yes chairman Murphy yes thank you we got there in the all right okay and with that you thought that was G to be easy right okay yeah so so I got drafted late um so apologize for uh not paying closer attention to the agenda but um having gone through that uh I guess the same comment applies I've already introduced uh the people involved in what's before you for the next items uh the home and the landscape uh those are specific enough and and those professionals can address that the shoreline however as I was mentioning was part of a larger state and federal application so we not only permitted through the fdap and the core and the county and I don't know how other other acronyms I can't remember but um uh so it it was a permit that applied to not only Blue Water Cove Lots but also the remaining fine property and and and uh unlike the previous submitt um uh it's it's just our practice rather than present summaries on very complex and complicated issues you have in your packets all of the permitted plans which unfortunately contain much more information than you're probably interested in but but that's what's before you and we wanted that before you rather than a summary so because it is very comprehensive and complicated but in general the uh the state the D Florida fde and the Army Corps really don't care what the other agency wants or how they permit a plan they have their own criteria uh uh they apply that criteria um um but they somewhat operate in silos um for example um on the shoreline in front of Fin's property there is mangrove restoration that was a requirement of FD the core didn't want it um uh so a lot of this process or they wanted another they wanted another methodology which we applied which is offsite mitigation the core permit which we just received I think took three and a half years uh um so that's uh um um and suffering from a little PTSD from that process um we've got a very capable engineer who is with us and quarterback that process so he can answer the technical nuances of of all aspects of this but I just don't know how you want to discuss it in the context of these applications because the shoreline and the permits for same run across not just lot seven not just lot eight but right so a happy start are you being required to do that the the restoration North that's not even on your property on the yes Tom you are that's a condition of the that was a well um it was a condition of the land swap with find okay and uh that got quite complicated as those things can um uh and the state is going to be through our engineer monitoring that um there some I forget the number maybe six mangroves on the property in front of our develop our development um those will be removed one thing that's really I think one of the more particular aspects of this is the core um uh into this in the state to a lesser degree disregarded the property line um so if you if you were to actually look overhead and run a line from uh the northeast corner of our South property to the southeast corner on the other side of fine property you will see that we were required to bring our Shoreline in significantly in from the property line and without getting into all of the uh state and federal regulations regarding that essentially the core just says it's it's our Waterway and you know that's our jurisdiction and we disregard the property line and this is where we want the bulkhead to be so if you're looking at that trying to understand where it is in relation to the property line that's why you see that pretty significant uh Westward turn um uh and then it kind of comes back out to some degree but but most of that on the North End is filled with the mitigation The Mangrove mitigation so again quite complicated uh um but we've got a great engineer here uh who can explain any questions you might have what about the dredging is it does this include a substantial amount of dredging in front of these two lots from the lot seven and eight yes that's part of the core permit it is where's that where they going to take that that that guess you call it they going to take that that material they're digging out there I think the plan was to reuse some of that for Phill on Lots seven and eight okay okay is there any time when I say timeline how long does this Pro is it expected timeline how long it's going to take with this approval uh hopefully we go to commission and then it's building permit there there are no more permits required other than a building permit for all of the shoreline improvements so it's really as soon as we have a permit yeah and G you said that the the bulkhead is actually going to be back into the property it's not even right on the proper substantially back from that's right any idea how long the project itself was all through the Hoops have been gone through uh I'm just thinking the people who are on the east side you know they're gonna have dredging going on and things like that that I don't know I can't represent Nicole do you have anything from the from the contractor no yeah no I just wondered how long the actual how long there'll be work taking place I don't no no it was just out of interest because obviously the people who are on the in Coast are looking across if I if if if I had to guess in term and and actually uh Neil wood from SE engineering would be a be able to provide a more uh historical perspective on answering that question what it should take it might be interesting if this goes forward I'm not preempting any votes but um just for the commission perhaps to let them know how long will be construction going on and people looking across at it and things like that my experience with this with this amount of Shoreline in terms of the heavy lifting um uh the most intrusive part of this I'm going to put closer to two months um the mitigation which would come later which I don't think most people will really even notice is happening uh um things have to stabilize and I would suspect that's a matter of weeks um maybe the entire project from start to finish is somewhere between I'm going to say no later than four months right with the worst of it probably being around 60 days thanks K you said this is a very technical proposal um there any other questions the black and red mangroves that you're removing are you replacing them with the same type of Mangrove or have you figured that out yet I'm gonna let this is Neil wood from C engineering good morning so uh I believe there is um eight mangroves that were being removed and we had to go through the process of mitigation for those eight mangroves uh so on the fine property we have approximately 1400 square feet of Mangrove planting area that'll be planted with a a staggered planting of both black and red mangroves and it's orders of magnitude greater than the the amount of mangroves that were taken out so so visually from um the other side so on the east side of the inter Coastal uh the residence looking West once it's all done fundamentally will be unchanged I mean that's there's going to be two houses with a concrete bulkhead the the fine property the 180 ft uh of the fine Shor line will have uh a mangrove planting area on the North about 700 square fet and a mangrove planting area on the the South part of the fine property adjacent to I think is uh lot eight so lot seven is the South lot eight is the north lot um and then when you get to the Fine property way way okay way around um when you get to the Fine property the fine you know Florida Inland navigation District still wanted to be able to land a barge on that property so we have about 100 foot uh landing area between the two Mangrove uh Planters to answer your question I think what you're looking for um it's going to look drastically different and and the reason is Paul on the fine part of this property if you were to drive in a boat down the in coastal you would see a enormous horseshoe where erosion has has really um taken away a lot of that Shoreline so it's it's it's not the gradual natural slope it's really quite a drop now and and so that is going to be more of a natural slope into the mangrove mitigation area and while what Neil said the it is a uh the amount that we're planting relative to what's there is hugely significant in terms of just the the planted area but this material grows slow um in fact I don't think there's any mangroves now uh in the parts of the fine property that will be replanted with mangroves so I think anybody on the east side looking back it's going to look exponentially better than what it does now thank you okay so with that if there aren't any more questions could we have a motion please well and the see so Sor to F any more questions yeah I'm sorry um so I I always defer do tray on this because uh the seaw wall is beyond my capability understanding but essentially it's meeting the Heights and etc etc so again I'm thinking more the visual as opposed to technical I'm that really leave no sure the um I think the height is somewhere around six or 6 and a half feet in gvd um which is a little bit lower than what we our maximum so okay and and the color I mean the the way it's concrete finished is standard I mean concrete concrete concrete cap with a broom finish okay any get comments from neighbors there were none were there any letters sent I mean if you on the east side is that included 600 feet yeah okay thank you Tom could you okay certainly um I'd like to make to make a motion to recommend approval of a level three architectural site plan to permit the installation of the bulkhead and revetment for the Army Core of Engineers approved plans excluding the docks I second Rene Mr Smith yes Mrs orwine yes Mr Lions yes chairman Murphy yes thank [Music] you very detailed okay and with that we move on to the uh final application this morning for lot seven good morning good morning I'm Luis Rivera from Affinity Architects and today we're presenting uh lot seven uh this is the north home on the Blue Water Co uh called the saac and it uh as discussed before is in the inter inter Coastal uh this one is going to be a an Anglo Caribbean in style home twostory um uh we are uh right now uh all the calculations of uh lot coverage uh all the heights are uh at or below the allowable uh required by the code so if you have any questions regarding style or yeah if you could take us through from the the presentation please sure um it's a twostory um home with a uh uh inset second floor providing setbacks so that is uh the area of the first floor is not completely taken um you can move to the next you can you stay there a second what color do you call that roof is it going to be Cedar shake or is that just what is it it's it's a cedar tan uh color it's Cedar though yes please it's a it's a there's no comparison between those that's because of the ligh on the render okay okay so height wise we are below the allowable which is um uh 30 ft and and 35 ft with the uh roof features right now we're at 28 and 30 um again uh the rear view is uh you know one of the most important that we uh tackled because it was inter inter Coastal so we wanted to make sure that the rear elevation is as uh appealing as the front elevation uh on the side elevations we have uh um shutters were applicable and um uh our side uh privacy Garden meets the requirement of 4 feet high um and if uh you have any questions and then yeah go ahead no I'm waiting for the wind you get the next slide uh you can scroll this is the landscape uh for that I'll have Lou blos explain right do you have an elevation um yes showing the landscape Landscaping yes uh if you go towards the landscape right what I'm looking for is the view from looking down Blue Water Co because the phrase somewhat visible garage it's either you can see it or you're not well this is they call the yeah yeah I know but it says somewhat visible I just wondered the what the Landscaping looks like I I I just want to explain on that uh it won't be as visible as it looks on the elevations uh there's in addition to two um streetscape Oaks that are on the property we're proposing two uh specimen SE grapes uh on either side of the entry so basically here you will have a large and imitate that on this side also had we showed is on the elevation you really wouldn't see the house okay this inter turn is a specimen uh senagal dat pal cluster dat pal with multiun trunks um handpick specimen um basically everything else is complimenting the architecture to Alexander Palms on either side of this tall um area here large uh phoc carpus on either side of this uh an entry wall feature uh that we're showing covering this whole wall here with a vogen villa or Confederate jasmine Vine kind of bringing down that scale um uh was one of our Design Elements and then uh large European fan Palms on either side and so forth there there's a lot more if we look at the uh uh the landscape plan I I think we can U right here we can go back you can see here's the two large sea grapes right here and as you can see yeah this was definitely planted there for that reason so you're not driving down there and seeing a garage door okay okay and you know we moved it back as much these are py lots okay so it's kind of hard to create like a motor court and also but the proximity of the garage you know to the driveway it can easily be cars can back out but at the same token you know they can swing in and and go out right if this goes forward I'd make a strong point about that how you mitigate the the garages being this some somewhat visible again they're going to be large the only this one here might be but as you can see with the angle here of the building it's kind of blocked it's not as visible as this one but these large seag grapes here we're looking at starting out at 25 feet yeah what might be interesting if you go back to the um not interesting if you go back to the elevation that the one that has the garage the garage elev front elevation the one you've shown us where you can actually see the garage and you said if you put the plants in next one you said if we put the trees in you it'll obscure the whole correct which is fine can we go back to that slide please no yes there you go how difficult would it be literally just as another slide to show what it actually would look like as opposed to I know it sounds crazy but one of the things that we want to see is how does it look when it's finished obviously you've got to have that because otherwise you can't see I I I think also what we want to create also is um like in Palm Beach where the trees will grow together yes and we can drive under so you know that will mitigate the whole at the end of the street you know you're not like driving up to a building I and then just remember now on the sides you also have the two Street Oaks that are going to be there so so that's um but it wouldn't be a major task to show that exact slide again with the additional Landscaping as it's going to go in yeah we can show we can show that yeah what's it going to look like basically it's going to be a landscaping elevation as opposed to the home correct well the landscape elevation is taken from a different angle I think this one here this right right well I but for purposes but because of the garage that's what needs to be addressed okay okay just add an extra slide for the commission meeting yeah thank you yeah the commission should this go through okay yes we'll have the two the two options um again I I just as we did on lot eight we're going to continue the 8 to 10 foot Calif filum hedge you know throughout both North and South properties so that'll be immediate screening right there um if if we go back to the landscape plan um and and that's the front you could see the H right here going throughout uh on the North here's the two streetcape Oaks here and here the two large sea grapes on that side again with the center piece here visible as you drive into it uh on the North side large cluas weeping quarts another large sea grape which is repeated uh on the south side and and then another element just to kind of to bring the scale down is some large 25 to 30 foot coconuts that we're going to have to shop around and that's these just kind of throughout you know kind of creating the old pal Beach feeling of the large coconuts you know just popping throughout with the lawn and then some low um Jasmine Minima underneath it you know or and so forth and then obviously you know we we have the elements that that are playing with the the four um uh large foxel Palms you know and then some tall also to kind of fill in these Corners right here again a water feature outside the main window as you walk in that would be visible as part of an entry feature um that's about it and then obviously a separate Spa that's back here we created a privacy area here with a large uh uh sea grape you know and the same with the 4 foot wall right here some privacy with large coconuts a large uh um Foxdale Palm you know and then underneath it this whole area here very textural very colorful you know kind of uh their private area U they they like the outdoor showers and so forth you know and um I think they'll have plenty of privacy between two neighbors with the 8 to 10 foot initial hedge that's going to go in there just just to point for future future presentations I know there's a lot of you know it's great that there's not many more buildings to be presented buildings to be presented to us a long time ago we had that document that which showed us thej the position of it says in the verbiage at you know where the Anglo Caribbean is it's lot 14 it would just be really helpful from a um informational point of view to say that's what we've got there that's what we've got there right um because it's down here that if someone's new to the Border or hasn't seen that it's a case of just helping that would be a recommendation for even for if this goes forward to the commission just so literally just gives that spatial awareness we agree on that but these two made no no it's the world won't collapse because of it but it would just help move for it will be yeah yes okay when you're looking at the front of the house on the second floor to the left it looks like that's a different color can you walk us through your um idea for the uh on the second floor to the left it looks like it's painted a different color than yes it's a different material I don't know if it's going to be a simulated wood that's clouding around the windows the is it the th shutters is that correct uh the shutters correct but this is the framing the framing this is the framing for the window right but then is it is the actual wall a different color also it looks like it's black in the picture but this here oh no this the same color it's just the shadow shadow and what color are the in the shadows do you have a white with a Col of a is that a green Li color the body and this is house sh okay that's in Thea yeah yeah sir here yeah can you show those pleas sorry and the shutter is a little darker than the yeah let me see that again sorry together with all that thank you okay thanks that's as close as I can get in guys yeah could I see the uh elevation um the back of the property with the landscaping again there I know you you spent a lot of time showing concern about the impact of people from the East there you go so you have a nice hedge that locks all the papers yes yes okay this is in front of the U between the seaw wall and and the two foot high right wall correct and as you say it breaks up the the form of the property as well correct yeah yeah you can see the large coconuts you know so um one of the things I've noticed on the construction in new homes um lighting sometimes can be a little overwhelming um I happen to think that you have a neighbor to your South you know you go down Gulfstream Road everybody looks the same all sudden oh there must be a hotel um I don't want to be Clos on that but I I do think that you'll have numerous homes that will be looking West on the east side of the intra Coastal and so the illumination and lighting has got to be more down than across correct I believe I'm not a lighting expert but what you know well I I would like a subtle introduction of lighting and not a sudden uh let me just say this number one it's a residential and it's not a resort so you don't have to worry about you know uh the amount of light so people don't trip or whatever you know the circulation number one number two um the large coconuts are going to be hard to light you know so those are not going to be lit you know and and basically the lights going to be underneath the sea grapes which is basically just going to be uh lighting up the canopy you know and and a little bit of the under story maybe some path lights wherever need to and um realistically I think the only thing that they really would see from from the East side would be the four these right here one two three four Fox Hil PMS that are on the dock right there and again that's not going to be something I'm really more concerned about uh on the left side on uh the South Side U see that Wing you have those two lights you know that there illumination the the brightness whatever the term is you know they just these two right yeah it's just lighting that's just lighting I don't think that that's going to be on as landscape lighting I think when they're they want to exit or let's say they're having a oh yeah you need or something you you might turn those exor you have to have a light it's hard for you to appreciate but if you took the time someday to go down in the evening right and you'll see one house that very clearly is lit up and we don't want that I don't want that make a comment so the two streets that dead into the inter Coastal across the way are middle and golf VI and the houses on the end of both of those roads I've had to deal with lighting issues before okay so some so okay just be aware I mean they they are very cognizant of the lighting these are just fin points but any question Trey does the spa meet the side setback I thought for a minor accessory structure in um it was 12y but oh that's uh you're talking about the Barbe bar the spa oh the spa what about the spot uh they want to know if can meet to the setback yes it does it meets the 10 foot uh uh accessory and and and pull setback that that's required correct and and then at the same token as you can see around it we're making an effort to not just have it out in the open you know but kind of provide uh uh an experience and privacy you know for the owners try can you check and make sure that's 10 foot right so U Miss orwine is correct it is a 12T side setback for minor accessory structures which a spa would be I know that we addressed this at the pre-application meeting I can't remember if it was they were directed to change it or or what but we did talk about the location of the spa as you recall right we did it's not the 10 foot is only for those pools down the on the Square Lots it's not for the big I I think that we mentioned that they could apply for a 10- foot setback under a special exception because it's a it's a non- single family lot there that they border but this application does not include a special exception I don't think that would be an issue and I think as you can see from the plan we have plenty of room to move it to the North 2 feet is really not going to make a difference if forward so if that's the case then um we we can obviously make that revision you can note that in your yeah in in the motion but that would be a separate special exception which would have to be considered if this moves forward at the commission something else for them to prove you're not going to askal we can move it move it fine really we're talking here it's not five or 10 or whatever well I'll make an observation on this house it's you know it's 7,000 square feet it's big house uh but the way you managed to spread the square footage the massing isn't overwhelming which it could very well be so I like the way you arrange the squ the F yeah the second floor the second floor is really U minimized and uh setback cor and you know you have a long wing on the North side which is on the fine property so sure you know again we we have trees there four trees two clas one weeping por carpus and one SE grip that eventually by the time anything happens in the fine property it it'll be a nice screen for the owners on our property and also for future development in the F property okay any more questions I'm done Tom you okay yeah yes um I'd like to make a motion to recommend approval of the level three architectural site plan based on a finding that the construction of a 6,967 foot Anglo Caribbean style twostory single family dwelling with a three-car garage and swimming pool including new landscape and Hardscape and Doc meets the minimum intent of the design manual and appic will review standards with the following conditions first the the spa structure shall be moved 12 feet from the setback line on the south side of the property and any minor modification to the approval approved Landscaping shall be submitted to the town manager for review and approval and any major modification shall be brought back to the arpb for review and approval prior to commencement of the Landscaping I second Mr Smith yes Mrs orwine yes Mr Lions yes chairman Murphy yes yes thank you thank you and so we move on to items from staff nothing uh chairman thank you thank you thank you thanks board members any items Paul anything you want to raise oh no the public is no more and so with that thanks everybody this meeting's adjourned