It's going to come to my ears. >> The regular ones or the pointy ones? >> The regular ones. >> You're going to enter Oh I don't mean to show your head. Oh my god, that's scary. There's still Okay.
Good evening. Think we have everything up and running. Uh, in accordance with the open public meeting act, the notice of this meeting has been sent to the retrospect posted on the bulletin board in Barrel Hall. First item on the agenda is the public comment period. Is there anyone that would like to speak to the
commissioners? >> There is no one in the room. Is there anyone on Zoom that wants to speak to the commissioners? No. Okay. And moving on. Uh the first item that we have this evening, as you will recall,
last Monday at our regular meeting in September, we passed a resolution to amend the uh redevelopment agreement with Woodmont to make two minor changes on affordable housing items. The planning board met the next night to
amend the third round plan to adjust for those same two items. Uh they approved it and passed the resolution that evening. Therefore, the next step is for the commissioners to um endorse the amended third round housing
element and fair share plan. Uh we have it on tonight instead of October 27th because October 27th during the day we have our final compliance hearing with the judge. And so this way all of the paperwork is done before us going to the judge. We hope to close out the third
round completely at that meeting. Any questions on the resolution? Do I have a motion? >> And what exactly is the motion? >> To adopt >> adopt or to endorse this the 2025 revised amendment to the third round
housing element fair share plan. >> All right. Um I'll make a motion to endorse uh the resolution number 2025 for the third round uh parishure housing. Oh man. Second. I'll
second it. Okay. Bernie that you want to take a vote. Commissioner Shor >> in favor. >> Commissioner Cole >> in favor. >> Okay. Thank you. That will finalize that. Bernardet and I will get that up to our affordable housing folks so that
they can send it off to the judge and we should be final fine for the hearing. Um the next item is the use of burrow property. Uh we have two requests. These are both annual events. The first one is the bow renewal at the heart and king
sport on February 14th, 2026. Um they will also be asking you to participate in that renewal ceremony. I would offer a suggestion that since it is going to be the 250th celebration of the country. You may want to do that in
costume if possible. So >> proper attire from 1776 >> was added. If you're interested, let us know. We're going to be reaching out to folks about such things for maybe different uses throughout the year. >> Okay.
>> So, this is going to be on February 14th and 26. Okay. >> And I'm assuming we're date and then move on and then >> I guess it's rain or shine, right? Yes. Money was like kind of rainy and cold.
>> Yes. Um the second one he >> he I'm sorry. He does Frank. He does have a rain date on the >> He does. >> There is It said the 15th. I don't know. But >> he's got a rain date this year. Normally he doesn't. >> Yeah. Steuart Harding. So I just
>> I would clarify that. Okay. >> You prefer rain or shine on Valentine's? Makes sense, right? >> Yeah. Because usually if I'm there, I I'll then do something the next night like a lot of people do. So Okay. Wait,
this is just an annual VA renewal. People participate in this. >> Yes. Fair number. What did we get last year? Do you remember? >> Yeah. >> Each year it goes up. It's got to be 75. >> So for three to four minute.
>> Yes. Um, we actually had a couple of actual real weddings too over the years. >> Yeah. >> So, um, they've made it into a nice event. Uh, the next one is also annual. It is the installation of the thresh at
library point for from the citizens for Christian Christmas. They are looking to install it on December 15th and have it there through January 5th. Um, as I've indicated on here, we have not received the minor request yet. That tends to be a little slow in coming. We know it will
be coming. Um, but that would be the other one we'll request get request for around on or about around December. >> Any questions? >> We make sure we have DPW do the electric so we don't have a commissioner up on a ladder like we did last year.
So somebody was sort of tenuously on the edge of a ladder like okay not a good idea. >> Just as an aside the tree this is probably the last year. We're probably going to have to replace the tree in the spring summer it is starting to die.
>> Oh really? >> Oh no that massive trees. Yeah, >> but I mean we're never going to find you can't >> you'll get something slightly smaller that we actually got a decent size when we got that one. That was a donation.
>> The original tree that's actually the second replacement. >> Um the original tree was donated by a family lost their daughter. It was a memory of her daughter. >> Um they bought the second one also. >> Um and actually the sister came in and saw me not too long about it. So just an
FYI on that. Okay. Okay, moving on. The next item is to discuss best practices. Um, so the best practice, Frank's been through this before, but it's here. It is a very long survey in essence from the
state. It initially started out where it was really best practice and what they were trying to do is uh make municipalities conform to rules and regulations uh and held their state aid uh in potential jeopardy if they didn't get the correct amount of points or they weren't moving in the correct direction.
Um they still have that but the majority of the questionnaire has has really become ways that they try and get uh information. So like this year they were focused on leadment uh you know
and a couple of other things. Um it's how they get information from us. Uh we did you have to if there's a maximum I think it's 30 we scored a 37 you have to have at least 32. >> Okay.
>> Is there any questions? We have the commissioners have to we have to give you an opportunity to review it. Ask any questions you can resubmit it. >> I see. >> If you have any questions when you look through it, just let me know whether Alex or employees. >> Okay.
>> And we go through this every year. You said >> every year. And the questions change every year. >> Oh, cool. >> The budget. It's part of the budget. >> Wow. This whole thing is that. >> Yes. Yeah, >> got it. Okay. Okay.
>> Um, next item is to discuss use of right away. We have a a gentleman who's 250 cottage that has requested permission to allow uh a number of items in the right of way. Um, some of those things had to be removed
and were removed. Uh there there is still I think one thing in the right of way that state's supposed to be reaching out to him about. He also has bees. Um we've been in contact with him several times because he has a neighborhood who's allergic to bees and so the state
came down and did a review. His bees are um permitted through the state. Um so we had to bring them down and have them take a look. the water source that's out there has to move that on his property >> in a public space.
>> So, states say that, right? State said that. >> Yes, I was going to send you those guidelines. I'll have to find >> um >> the water source onto his own property. >> Is there like I mean I'll see it from what you sent to me, but um does it have to be a particular distance from the
bees? It has to be within their their site like their their travel location. Trying to remember the other rules and regulations. I I also remember um talking to Kirsty that the state is going to tell them they have he has to move his hives a little bit. Um the exit
for the hives is not a location is not a direction they feel is appropriate. They they want him to move that. Um, so those are things they control and and and do because of the number of hives he gets. >> Okay. >> Um, >> actually, um, is a little stalkerish of
me, but I did want to take a few pictures just to give you guys a sense of >> So, this is the fountain. This is the water fountain. >> Yeah. No, I stopped by. >> He's on the corner of all that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, that's that one. And then the other thing was um the little fence.
>> Yeah. And the last thing was these little fixtures, the light fixtures, which mostly were on their side. >> Yeah, >> there was only one still on the curb. >> Yeah, he may have started to move them over. >> Okay. >> Um I know there were other things. He had moved statutes and stuff back over
onto his property. The big trees are removed, right? Big planters with big trees out there. >> Um I'm less concerned about that stuff. You know, we were more concerned about the bees and the interference of bees with the public. Um the fence, the only
issue with the fence is that I'm not sure if it causes problems when we have leaf pickup. >> Um you know, it's it's we can pick up the leaves to the best of our ability, but with the fence, there may be some
that get caught in and around that that we can't break because we're not going to pick fence up, break, and then put the fence back. So, we will do it as best we can, but that's if you guys decide to leave the fence. Yes. >> Okay. I mean, we can request that they
move it for that. I think that's a very reasonable request. >> What was the the starting point for all this? >> This email. >> I saw I saw the email, but like but it was like >> most likely it was the bees. >> Okay. >> Um we were probably
with the bees and on a visit out there. saw everything else in the right away and then you know part of her job is to tell the people to move it. Um because again the ordinance came
quite a while ago. It was more dealing with we have a lot of areas in town where like folks fences are actually in the rightway not on their property. >> Um or we've had situations I think I was talking I was talking to you there was a rock installed on the rightway. Um
that was a hazard that we had to get people to move over on Lincoln. Um >> there's one on center that has like a little fence around actually I think some rocks too. There was a retain all on center that became an or no
on center on Washington. >> There is a >> there is a small retaining wall on Washington and the issue is the reason we don't like things like that in our rightway is because >> people have a tendency of coming back to
us saying we installed it and when it breaks they want us to repair it. So it's we the ordinance is in place to stop people from being able to install things that later they want to then turn around to us and say well this is here and it's yours. So
therefore the larger retaining wall >> yeah on >> walnut's ours. >> That one is ours. >> It it's ours because we can't prove otherwise. We ended up taking responsibility of it
because there's nothing proving whether the wall was there because they created the street >> or to shore up what they were trying to make for a home. >> It goes so far back. >> So that's but but it's that kind of thing trying to not have to take
responsibility for things that are installed in the right of way that people that you know that little metal fence people aren't going to come to me and say you know the fence is broken in jewelers. Um, but that's why the ordinance is there for people to ask permission from you guys so that we have some record that you know we approve
something so they can't so we can say that it's yours. We have to maintain it in the future and it'll come back to us. >> What are you thinking? >> I mean, we've gone down this road before with basketball hoops and culde-sacs and
>> Homestead have basketball hoops. Wasn't Homestead had the basketball hoops? >> No, it was Fargate. They they installed it. >> Yeah, they had then they had to remove it. >> Mobile. >> Yeah, they were. >> Then uh the Christmas display also on center
>> even though that was like portable, right? It was like it was just temporarily set up and then that need to be removed. I guess like this a precedent of like I guess why would we make anything different for this person? >> I don't disagree. I just But he has a
right to request it. So that's why it's here. >> Yeah. >> Um, you know, I can understand why he might have wanted to put the fence based on his instructions, but what I have found is that really hasn't stopped any of that. >> Yeah.
>> So, >> I'm not sure the value. >> Okay. And by that logic, anyone who wants to stop a dog from going to the bathroom in front of their property can put up a fence even though like that is the public right of way where a dog is
allowed to go to the bathroom in that versus their property. >> I think I think we can explain. Let me write write it back to them explaining our logic and making a request. I mean, they're basically
doing everything we've asked for. So, it's just maybe giving them a little bit of additional time to do that. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Because I think there was a deadline that he originally wrote to me about. >> Okay. So, I'll let Christy know that you're going to write back to him. >> Yes, I will write back >> explaining why and asking him to remove
it. >> Yes. And I will CC on it so you see. >> That's fine. >> Is that relation Oswald the same family or no? >> I don't know. same way. Okay. Uh the next item is uh discuss the
mark versus historical society. Um they wrote to all of you. Um I had spoken to them and told them that we would be happy to work with them to get that installed. They've come back with um some of the logistics about the marker.
Um the only thing I have to check is the size because the size she was talking about and then the reference and the paperwork they gave us. The reference and the paperwork they gave us is more for the marker that we're going to have down at the point down here on Ellis.
>> Um which is very sizable. Um and I think she was talking more a smaller one. So, I just got to talk through that and then it's just a matter of, you know, telling HPC that we're, you know, walking through an application for that and she's fine. >> Yeah. And that will be
there's no bearing the the future homeowner or the developer. >> I was thinking about in our conversations and I think I put that in here. Um, we may want to tell them we may want to suggest to them to move it to the other side. um not putting it in
front of Low Worth where they had initially talked about putting it, but putting it to the other side. Low Worth was a like a the property on that side was was a purchase after Bang had already been up and running and I don't know how long but
good while is my understanding. So it would make more sense if it was actually over on the other side in front of where Woodmont's going to be putting a development >> rather than foot in front of Lworth >> because that was the original that's the
starting point of of >> Bankraftoft was over there. >> Wait, I'm trying to visualize that. So you're saying put it where Bankraftoft is. >> So Bankraftoft has two parcels. >> Yeah. >> There's the parcel closest to the school >> and Lworth is in the front corner of that. Yeah,
>> originally they had talked about putting it there. >> Yeah, >> that was second part of Braftoft. The original part of Bankrooft was across the street, still going down Kings Highway, just cross over Hopkins. >> Got it. Okay. >> And that bigger parcel that's empty right now.
>> That was where Bangra originally was. So if you put it up by the sidewalk up there. >> Yeah. Okay. >> That would make more sense considering that's where it started. Got it. But if you're okay with it, we'll work with them to start a process and get
moving forward. >> Yep. Um, next one is is a little more. Um, Saturday trash bait. Um, m just give you a little backup. What we had done is we were having
problems on the weekends with trash in certain locations. Um, and we worked with PFH with visual enhancements and talked about um, what options we were out there. Were we we went through ideas such as are we going to charge, you
know, enforce or restaurants to have a Saturday pickup that they take care of themselves? Are we going to um, charge certain landlords, you know, based on size or something? We went through a lot of ideas and when we initially were
looking at the price, um it was it was paid back just charge everyone that's in downtown have a Saturday trash pickup, you know, because what it turned out to be was that waste management couldn't do they had a change in contract and they
couldn't do a peace meal. >> So if they came in to do it, they had to do the entire downtown route. Um, and with that changing contract, their price also went up significantly. >> And most municipalities do not cover
business trash pickup. We cover it for and and not only do we cover it, we cover it five days a week. So that sixth day it was determined to go back on the businesses. >> Okay. >> Um, we did that. Um, there were a number of
people who were not happy about that. there are people who feel they don't use it so they shouldn't have to pay it. Um and we had it in place for about a year and a half now. Um we told them we would free look at it whenever we could. Uh we
we did it first and it didn't make sense for us to give it up because it was taking care of our problem. Um but with the change in contract when we priced things out because the contractor came in at such a reasonable
number and actually a little below what we were paying this year um the cost became minimal for that Saturday pickup. And so with that minimal cost, we believe that we can absorb that
minimal cost, >> continue to provide the benefit, but not have to charge for it. Now, if that changes, you're going to want to go back. You know, either you're going to have to make a decision at that point, but right now for the next five years, it's going to be
annually >> 4372. Yeah. >> Okay. >> And then in 2029, it's only going to 47. >> Yeah. >> So, you're only changing, you know, 400 bucks in in those four years. And it was
charging us, it was costing us 73,000. So, that's a huge difference. And especially when you look at, you know, I had Alex do an analysis of um receipts of the funds that we've gotten and
here um the thing that there's only about 70% of the folks are actually paying it. So you're you're dealing with 30% of the folks that aren't paying it. So, you know, at that point then do we put it as
a lead tax lean on the property and forceful to pay it? You know, it's it's one of those things that if it's if it's a minimum cost at this point, not charging it, therefore not having staff hours billing and dealing with that headache. It's easier just absorb
it in the in the budget. If it was still a significant amount of money, we would just continue billing it. But I think it's something that at this point we can absorb because our our traction contract was already larger than what this first year cost is. Not significantly larger,
but it was larger than what this is. >> Sounds reasonable to me. >> Um, I'm fine with it. Can we I guess for Joan we come up with like a a nice letter to the
folks and explain you know we listen to them we you know we got their feedback you know kind of we don't have his own details but allude to there was a sign because we we started this midcontract you know there was an addendum to a contract that may not or amended to the
contract um and then just said you know we were able to renegotiate this including this in you know in the overall contract able to get the cost down make it more reasonable and therefore you know we we can make this go away obviously clean up better than that but >> yeah the only thing I would caveat I
would put in it is that that's only guaranteed through this fiveyear cycle >> you know the contract >> yes to that end like we would reconsider this at this point based on these
factors. >> Yeah, >> you can work on that. >> Yeah, >> it'll make some people happy. >> Oh, yes. >> Stop getting nasty. >> Start listing them all out. >> I don't have enough
people. We know. that um for the people who don't like hearing it and so they keep saying saying you never told me told you know you never got back to me like you did you just didn't like your answer but it's okay um next uh banking notes so we had held
off because we had renegotiated a nice um rate and we had actually moved a significant amount of money out to New Jersey arm um getting a better interest rate uh We based on the fact that our bank was then taken over by another bank
because they no longer existed um and some other things that were going on uh we decided it was time to put out an RFP for our bank and we did that in August. Um those results those proposals have come back.
Uh Alex did a analysis of them and we provided that to you. Um they're only one of the six uh was actually from has a branch in Hadenfield. It's not unusual. Um merging of banks for those
having in town offices anymore. Um our current carrier already was providing uh an armored car pickup. The person that is giving us the best offer is also providing an armored car pickup. So it doesn't really matter if they're in town
or not because police are not the ones dropping it off anymore. Um, in addition, one of the things that has been on Alex's plate is to figure out a way, the way we do payroll right now, uh, we, it's part of our finance
package. We do it inhouse. Um, but part of the problem is when you're doing in-house, that employee also has been responsible for making sure that all taxes are paid on a timely basis. And with the federal government changing how that happens from time to time, there
can be delays and problems. and then we have to work with the IRS to deal with penalties. Um, and so he's he's very conservative and very cautious and would really like that not to be our issue. So, as part of this proposal, the bank
is willing to pay those costs for that fee. Um, in addition to giving us the interest rate that we're looking for and so we would be able to pick up that service at no additional cost to our burough budget. Um,
so that would be definitely a relief moving forward. Um, of not having to worry about a problem like that. You know, it's more an issue of if you know quarterlys are due and the person gets sick and the person replacing them doesn't know to do that stuff. You know, that's where you start to run into a problem. Get you get into a problem if
something's filed a day late uh with significant penalty fees. And that's what we want to try and avoid. >> So that your recommendations come out there. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> They are providing us the best interest rate and and the best, you know,
alternative services. I'm fine with that. While we're on the topic of payroll, is there a reason why we get mailed payubs? Let me ask it differently. Is there a way you can opt out of that and yes, >> like just save it like save the borrower some money?
>> Yes, you can do that. >> Um, part of it too is we have one of the things we're also looking to do is require everyone to be um
to get automatic deposit. Um, we don't currently with the admin systems that we're aware of have a system where an employee can just log into and look at all their information. Going to a payroll service, we will have that. So, we don't have to hand out payubs. People can just go online and look what they
need and print out what they need. Um, we don't really have that right now. So, that's why everybody gets handed out whether you whether it's a real check or not, you get your check because we don't have that ability. So, that can go away.
But in the meantime, I'll tell them to stop mailing you. >> So, in switching backing, I'll talk to Alex to see when he my when he wants to start that. My guess is he'll want to start the payroll on January 1. It'll just finish out this year. Um, but
banking, he's going to want to start that process as soon as possible because there will be paperwork and you guys will all have to, you know, signature cards and stuff again. So, um, if we're going to authorize this at the end of this month, I'll tell him to go ahead and get started working on
that so we can have a smooth transition. Okay, that on the agenda is the next agenda. Um, in addition to what is here for FAC Nations, Joanna and I have been talking to Frank. Um, we are going to add one
for the 250th celebration of the Navy, which is October something. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then early in November is the 250th of the Marines. So since we will
have um folks there for some of the other ones just do everything in one shot. >> I do both them. I sent them to Joe. >> Okay. >> Still a week after that. >> Okay. Yep.
And I was, you know, um Bernardet. >> Yes. >> A resolution also has to be added for there's a resolution specific for um downtown Candlelight shopping. >> Oh, okay.
>> Check. I think it was on September last year. So that needs to be added here because we didn't do it last week. >> Okay. >> Which is just fine because they came asking the for a change to it too also. So >> um most of these resolutions are typical
>> question. Uh sodium chloride one that's for snow removal. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um the lease agreement with Virtual Health. Which one? What's that one? >> That is um they use space over at the firehouse to store their
ALS, their advanced life support. Um the paramedics >> and because they have they cover the county for advanced life support um they pay us a fee to house that unit in our firehouse.
So that's what that's for. >> Got it. Okay. And then the banking is what we just talked about. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Any other questions? >> And in the approximations, we're adding adding the two things you just mentioned. >> Okay.
Okay. So, speaking of resolutions, um, and I just talked about candlelight shopping, um, in addition to candle light shopping, they are looking to, we used to have a horse, uh, and buggy that we no longer have, but they have found an
electric carriage um, that they're looking to replace it with. >> Great. >> So, it's the same kind of route. It's a cute little thing, you know, it'll just kind of go around the block. People love it. So >> is that because of the people that are
protesting the horrible carriages or just some of that month of it may have been lost too. >> I think I recall hearing about this. I think it's the cost of the which is interesting to hear because I would imagine we have access to horses around
here but maybe it usually you're getting the um horse and carriage together. So, >> um that and then also they have their they're looking for approval for their annual Winterfest Super Bowl event, um
which will be held January 16th to the 8th. >> That's another annual test they've been doing for four years now. I believe >> they're looking at quite a number of sculptures downtown this year.
Seemed a little seemed like a lot. So, we have to confirm that the number is right and not a typo. >> They were saying, >> "No, I thought it was something. I saw something that's larger. So, it must I looked at whatever I got must have been
just a typo. That's what I was thinking. I think the typo I got was a 30ome. That's a lot of >> So, yeah. Yeah, 10 10 plus >> was this woman that's on resolution.
>> Look and see what she did last year. >> I don't remember if it probably has its own. I just don't remember. That's it for PFH. Uh if you want, we do have some appointments we can talk about. Um we also have a cell indicated.
I'm still missing one from HPC. >> And I do have um one issue to discuss in close session regarding potential purchase in contracts. >> Okay.
Um what does the Hadenfield housing need to do? that the scattered sites, the eight scattered sites you have for the um our affordable housing, they oversee them for us.
>> Okay. And what does oversee entail? Um they are responsible right now for working with Triad to get them fixed up so that they can have inhabitants in them and then they are the landlords for the
we subsidize them with our fees four there and we don't have any applicants for that but Have we advertised it recently? >> I This is something we're going to have to um just figure out some folks that you may know.
>> Okay. So, we we just appoint um is that what you're apply implying? >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Since we're talking about individual people, should we do that part in close? But >> yeah, that's usually what we we discuss the different vacancies and then we
actually move into close to talk about it because you're dealing with us soon. >> Okay, got it. >> Is there anything else to be talked about? >> Give me a second. Just look through my >> Yeah, absolutely. We talked about Sarah's thing. Um one Warwick Road.
>> Yes. >> Is that probably Are we discussing? >> I can feel you on that. I don't think that's um we'll click that one port of potties at Centennial Fields. This was it. I got an email from a
resident. Um I think they just prefer not to have the portaotties. >> You're new so the one that they hit. >> That's an old one. Yeah, it's an old issue. We've had them. So, what happens is for football,
>> you have so many little kids there. >> They don't want them going down the steps to the bathroom that's at the bottom of the steps and causing issues and making sure that then trying to make sure an adult goes with them and keeps them. So, they put they've had in the past requested a porta potty, they porta potty there during football season so
that when they're practicing it's Got it. >> Residents don't like >> they don't like the snack shack. >> Yeah, they don't like anything parking on the street. They don't like uh what else don't they like? Um >> about anything. >> And they like to take their dogs over
there to look. >> Okay. And then the last one is 134 Payton Avenue. Message from Bill. >> I don't remember that. Uh, I can't tell who it's from. I'll just show it. I'll just tell you later.
>> Okay, I think we covered everything. Thank you. Janna is sitting in and sending me messages. >> Oh, there she is. >> So, just had to answer her. Okay. If there's nothing else, then if
you the press has any questions and then we'll go into close session. >> Yeah. You had mentioned the annual events coming up. Um bathrooms. >> Yes, that is correct. Um host um the the folks that provide all of the sculptures
through town provided the heart on King's Court. >> And what they started doing was an event where couple of people come and have their vows made on Valentine's Day. Usually, I think they have like a little present to give them or something.
>> Yeah, it's u they have a rose to give them. I think a little thing of chocolates. Um yeah, Adam Puff wears like a top hat involved with it somehow. And um it's it's a nice uh it's a nice event.
>> There's a holiday tree and solutions. >> So um there is a nativity crash. So the little major standing is installed as the group in towns that um request the ability to install one of those down at Library Queen during the holiday season.
>> Not true. >> No, we have a holiday tree there. Um the tree it will be there. It will be well lit for this year. Um but we're looking to replace the tree for next year. >> And then the marker for the historical
society What is the is it marketing the historical society? >> No, it's it's recognizing the hundred years that Bangra was here. [Music] >> What was the new bank that you went for? >> Colia.
>> Columbia. And then you will start um payroll service to them. >> No, but payroll service um the chief financial officer will have to get proposals on cost for for payroll services. >> Separate thing. >> Yeah, separate thing.
>> Electric carriage. >> It's a horseless carriage. >> It's a horseless carriage. >> It's a It's a carriage. It's a fancy looking carriage that instead of having a horse in front of it, it has an electric battery that the driver uses to drive around at.
>> Sorry, I just looked it up. >> I think that's what they called car switching. >> Horseless carriages. >> Well, depending on when your house was built, mine was at that transitional period where it's like a carriage house in the back, which I don't know if there was a car or national carriage. Yeah.
You know I don't have one of those brother. >> There you go. >> It's a 200-y old house with a chicken coop behind the garage. >> That my family's been told they absolutely cannot have chickens in. >> Nothing else. >> Okay.
>> Is Lauren reported? It's not. Okay. >> Okay. Then if nothing else, do we have a motion to go into close session? >> Motion to go and close. >> Second. >> All in favor? side. Uh