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All right. In accordance Are you looking for a plug? >> No, I'm good. >> In accordance with the open public's meeting act, notice this meeting has been sent to the retrospect and posted on the bulletin board in the burough hall. First item on the agenda is the public comment period. Is there anyone in the room that would like to speak to

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the commissioners at this time? >> You can stand up. >> Right. My name is Joe Pew. Uh I live at 309 Barbar Lane, which is at the intersection of Barbar Lane and Mount Vernon Avenue. Uh, I think everybody has

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probably seen the post in Hadenfield in the no uh of last week showing the what our intersection looked like during that storm. Uh, before I make any comments, I'd like to thank uh Commissioner Troy for the background information that he

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posted on as a comment to that post. Uh, I've lived at that intersection for since 2000 and my we my wife and I took over the house from her father who lived there for quite a number of years. Uh, it's

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clear to any anyone who observed the flooding at the intersection during just about any heavy storm that the stormwater infrastructure project of several years ago is clearly inadequate. realize that's my opinion and I'm not an

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engineer but it is inadequate from our experience living in that intersection. Uh my question is uh well first of all I see that uh Commissioner Troy said that the resolving the issue would require

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the approval of all municipalities the county state and the state the state department of environmental protection and the army corps of engineers. I understand that that's very complex. Uh my question is when are you going to start working on it and how quick and

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how quickly are you going to be able to do it? Thanks for your comment. You're welcome. >> All right. Do you want me to provide something of an answer? >> Sure. >> Okay. >> I don't expect an answer tonight.

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So, let me um let me offer some explanation as to what uh Commissioner Troy meant when he indicated that all of those entities would have to participate. >> Um so,

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400 acres in Hadenfield of just Hadenfield drain to that intersection and go out >> um a small outfall which is actually two 24 inch diameter pipes I believe. um into a

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tributary um into the Newton Creek. There are four or five other municipalities that are before us before that tributary goes connects into a larger body of water. Um all of their

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water drains to that. The issue as you're aware is that's also a title area. So, we have been uh in previous years, the commissioner and I have talked with our engineer because we're somewhat concerned over the fact

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that there is water up portions of our pipe at any given time due to the tidal nature and the amount of water that's in the tributary. So, when your pipe is covered because of the amount of water

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that's being pushed into that, it makes it harder for water to release and there may not be any place for it to go. Um, so that's why he talks about the Army Corps of Engineers and you're talking with a with a title body of water. You have to involve the Army Corp

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of Engineers. Um, we applied last year for a resiliency grant with Patton Township, Collingswood, and Mount Ephram to try and get a study done of the region. Um, we were not successful in getting that grant. Um the issue we have

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uh when we had the storms back in 2019, Remington and Vernick came up with some possible solutions to some of the hardest hit areas. Obviously thought of them as Barbberry. We spent we spent money in all of the areas, but we put the majority of our spending in the

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barberry area because that has always been a problem. Um, while I understand your comment about the fact that you don't think it has worked, I will disagree with you slightly because there are storms that would have flooded in

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the past that we do not receive flooding. The weather that we received on Monday, >> last Monday, yes, >> was um again it was 3 to four inches that came down within an hour. there is

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no si no system that we can build that will be able to handle that kind of water. So there will be some degree of flooding regardless of how much infrastructure we have in in the roadway race. Um back in 2020 when we received the plan from Remington and Vernick

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their recommendation is to put a second one of the underground systems in that same area. Um, initially that system that we installed was supposed to be $1.2 million and

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ended up coming in at 2.2 or 2.3 somewhere around there. >> Um, we do not have in our immediate capital plan to install a second one at this time. Um, so you know, as the

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commissioner indicated, it's it is a regional issue and we're trying to figure out how to go around creating regional solutions. The Army Corps of Engineer currently right now um is not really doing much of anything with the federal government. FEMA doesn't really

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have money. So um we're not able to go to them and request money to help solve the problem um because they don't have it to give out. So, in the meantime, we have a new governor with new folks up in Trenton. Um, we will be trying to sit down with D at some point in time to

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talk about it because it is a regional issue, but there is no immediate there's nothing we could say if we spent X amount of money, it's going to solve that problem because it's not necessarily. And the problem we are having is the intensity of some of the

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storms that we are having is far more than any of our systems can handle. So it's not a a night it's not a story that says yes we can do it like this. It's more of a story is it's going to take a while. Um because there it's a problem

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beyond just Hadenfield. And oh yes um I'm not sure we >> anytime in the near future we'll be able to get that solved. >> Yeah it you're you're right. It is is not a field solution strictly. Uh if you stand at that

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intersection and look just look at the the territory around it. You see that Mount Vernon Avenue from both directions from both directions and Homestead Avenue from both directions drain into uh Barber Lane. [clears throat] And obviously a lot of that is coming from

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Haden Township. >> Yeah. And that's what I mean for we know of 400 acres just in Had. It's coming from Haden Township. It's coming from Barington. It's coming from Heights because that area takes >> goes touches each of those three communities um for it to drain down you

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know and and the topography is just such that we know it's more than just ours. >> How it feels downhill from Gibsboro to Collinswood. I can I can expand to you know each year we had the the meeting with League of Municipalities the Atlantic City or an opportunity to talk

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to state officials and you name it there. I would say that the the storm water management sessions and breakout sessions are ones that are probably the most um uh heavily attended and and viewed and

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Q&A after after and in most cases not short towns. short towns would either figure it out and just move to I know they intend what you see is a lot of towns municipalities like where Jentral

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there's really nothing there and a lot of these mun municipalities are suffer the same problem where you're seeing these you know flash floods that come at the rate of 4 in an hour that everyone's going to ask the same question

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and I was What else? The state doesn't have good as I use that as an example. In order for us to fix this problem, we would have to convince you that they have one. You may say 2 million project or something like that

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to help the street. question. point. They said that every single raintorm first in this raintorm, the first thing I do is actually check the um the tide, you know, the tide Delaware River was a

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high tide, low tide. This time was actually mid tide. Um whether you know or not, it's an 8ft title swing at the Delaware in this area, you know, in Canada, which is pretty significant. Um so uh I I will say that it has helped

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significantly 25 where it rains for like you know in over an hour over an hour. It actually holds it and allows transfer faster than it allows it to uh to receive faster instead of just you for hours or

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something like that actually moves a lot quicker now. Um, but the chairman's code unfortunately I I don't think we have the funds for it. I hate have the answer for it and it does it is a complex issue and I wish I did have an answer for it but but I don't

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>> I wish I had the answer for him so he'd stop asking me. [laughter] >> No, it's it's you know it is when you looked at that storm that hit, you know, and you see some of the other communities that got hit and how badly they got hit. you know, we got hit

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really bad, but we were fortunate compared to what some people got. Um, Philadelphia on Saturday got hit with five, four or five micro bursts, which we experienced in July of 23, which decimated trees and and flooded our

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entire town. So, the rain that we had on last Monday was very similar to the micro burst. We just didn't have the wind problem, so we didn't lose the trees. Um but the flooding was at that same level or or slightly higher than

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what we had in that July 4th 90 uh 2023 storm. Um and you know these things are popping up unfortunately with a significant with a higher level of frequency than they ever had because

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the the the climate just is changing. And maybe it's what happened two million years ago, but you know, it's not what has happened over the past, you know, century and now we're trying to readjust to it to certain standard and now we're

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getting something else. So we are trying to adjust when we do put new infrastructure into the roads. We try to as best we can to put infrastructure in that is is um designed for a hundredyear storm rather but you know to some we're

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we're fortunate we're able to do that in some situations but can't necessarily do it in all situations because they it has to to tie into older infrastructure. So, we are trying to adjust um what our system can handle as we make

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improvement. Um but you know, we're we we have a town that had very little infrastructure um and has been built out for decades well before there were zoning laws even in place in many cases. So, we're working on it, but unfortunately, it's not an easy fix.

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>> I I understand that. I appreciate that. Thank you for hearing your information. >> Thank you. Any any other questions? >> No, that that's it for me. John, you got anything? >> Yeah, I was looking for an update on the

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not so temporary temporary cell phone tower. >> Yeah. >> Um, so John, the folks that we were dealing with couldn't make up their mind what exactly they needed. We put them in

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touch with New Jersey American and said, you know, we no longer have uh an agreement with you. They own it. By all means, talk to them about purchasing the property. Um and put them in touch with the school because the school was interested in putting something up

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potentially at Scout Field. So, we have not moved forward with any tempor additional um progress for the temporary tower. We don't have the land to offer for the >> what they what they initially told us would work. Um when the time came they

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said it wouldn't work and so >> I've lost a step. Who Who is they? >> Uh that would be um uh um the heck of the name of two on top of the tower. It's not AT&T. It was AT&T and and

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>> AT&T and T-Mobile. >> T-Mobile, that's the one I can think of. >> So, we were originally talking to T-Mobile and AT&T >> because they're the ones that have um antennas on top of the water tower. >> Inside council, outside council. >> Yes.

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>> Got it. All right. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Okay. Seeing no other comments from the public. Uh commissioners, we do have a resolution that we missed at the last meeting. It is and the only reason we're putting it on tonight is because so that

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we can set our caps rate. Um we have all agreed that you know the open face caps has just remained the same. Um this is actually just this is actually just uh doing the actual

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>> yeah it's actually setting the tax rate so that we can move forward with getting our tax bills I'll see you in a second. Um okay so it resolution 2026-07-13-9 work session authorization to set tax

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rate for open space tax fund. Uh this is I believe >> one cent per hundred dollar of assessed value which is the same thing it's been for several years. >> I'll make the motion.

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>> I'll second on that motion. I went blank. Um Commissioner Cole in favor. >> Commissioner Sh in favor. Commissioner Sel in favor. Sure. Um yeah, we we've done a couple of things

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with this fund. Um the majority of this fund for years um was used to match the grants uh the open space green acres grants that we received for to purchase the Bankroth

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property. Um we received $1.5 million in grant funds from Green Acres and we used for for the first I don't know eight

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nine 10 years um we used those funds to offset >> that cost um because we have to match those funds when you get green acres grants you have to match them. Um then when we finally got that paid off and we

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had matched that uh we and just just to stick with the the bankrupt for a second. So when we went back to Green Acres when we decided to do the land swap with the school and got permission to transition those funds from bank the purchase of

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Bankrooft to the purchase of Radner. So in essence, what we did is we paid the school the $3 million to purchase Radner and then they in turn gave us the $3 million back to purchase the portion of the Bankrooft property that they now

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own. So it it still went towards the purchase of Bankraftoft. We just did a land swap and and switched what we got. Um >> and it applied Green Acres to Ragner. >> And it applied Green Acres to Radner. So Radner is now on the Rossi and cannot be

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anything but recreation passive or active. Um that's what we spent the initial money for. Um then we have spent funds from that to um help offset

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uh maintenance of parks um some public works personnel um while we did funding for the major tree program that Frank was doing. Um we reallocated some funds to handle like all of the

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grass cutting personnel and things like that for the summer seasons um coming from open space. Um it has helped to offset the decision was made when we did the recreation commission to put about 15%

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there was a there was a belief that 15% of the use of all of our fields was to be enjoyed by the public at large and not just uh registrations and things. So that there was a um a cost from us to

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towards that commission. So, we take open space funds and help assist the recreation commission budget getting it off the ground and also paying for what we believe is the general public's enjoyment of our parks and recreation. And that's all we've

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specifically used it for right now. It can be used for things like um we could use it for historic preservation. Um it can be used for anything towards recreation. that can be used to purchase property,

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things like that. >> And we have 7.13 acres coming online sooner than later that we'll have to do something on. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Absolutely. I think we were on Yes.

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>> Okay. Anything else on that? >> Okay. So, that's that. Uh the next item is to discuss use of public property. The one thing we have to talk about is the Lions Club and their request now for King's Court to place three cars

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on King's Court. Um, I did ask Doug I I'll ask Dan in a second the question I'd asked her to reach out to them for to see if she got an answer. No, but okay. So, in the meantime, um, >> the cars, >> the type of cars. >> Yeah, they said it was going to be a Porsche, Mercedes, and an Audi cars.

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Yeah, because it's the their their sponsor is the Chariot Hill Motor Sport. It's not Mercedes, it's Cherry Hill luxury. So, they wanted to bring one of each of the luxury cars. >> I just have to kind of get a width to determine >> Yeah. >> what I can fit and wear. Um because it's tight.

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>> Yeah. What happen? Well, and so this is I asked Doug. I'm like because they have the plans for when we redid that 20-ish years ago. Um, so what he's recommending is that what there should be 4 in of thick dense graded aggregate,

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4 in thick concrete, and one inch of mortar bed under under the pavers and slate. However, there's always a chance of the pavers moving and settling with vehicular traffic. Therefore, he would recommend utilizing ground protection mats or even 3/4 inch plywood to help protect the pavers. This would help

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distribute the loads evenly, but also prevent scuffing or staining from vehicles if there's oil or other fluid drips. That's Doug's recommendation if we're going to have cars on King's Court. Um, so I don't know if we want to say to them, you can, but they're going to have to bring mats to put down um or

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plywood to put down. I'm not sure their sponsor gonna be >> could we just as easily dedicate three parking spots. >> That's what I was thinking and wondering if they would be okay with that if we just kind of put them >> right at Kings Court, >> right? >> But in parking spots, >> right? I mean, we could almost take up

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the yellow zone on either side and then do one parking spot. I think there's the big yellow for his chip shop that open the two cars and then on the other side of the cutout >> and even without closing the road that's not going to impede anybody, right?

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>> Put signage up. >> Now, the only problem with putting them in the roadway because you're not shutting it is that people are only going to be able to walk on one side of the car. But, you know, it's either they're going to have to put some kind of protective

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covering down on King's Court to help distribute the load. And we got to figure out width because it's we do have room. We can get a car on. We have gotten a um electric vehicle on, but it stayed in the back by Kings

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by the Gazbo um for a green fair years ago. I don't know how many years ago at this point. Um, you can get them in through CVS, but to get them to the front, you're gonna have to come down between the trees. >> And then you can you're going to literally have to have them like in

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between the trees. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> This was aation of their sponsor coordinates with us before like that's traffic. Yeah, especially since you know we would

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have to work around too um uh the restaurant there uses the one center space >> you know so we would have to get the cars before and you know are we removing them after you know they

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>> but and they put up with a lot the acid rain so that and they're not as much now but >> no no but and they are vocal because it is they have a small kitchen uh and they did have this morning. >> I don't know if it was Cooper or

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affiliated with Cooper to have a mobile mimography vehicle for that same weekend >> uh to offer free mamograms for women as part of breast cancer awareness month. I brought it. I told them to fill out the form. Uh but they're also asking to take

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advantage of the traffic of that and they they weren't looking for anything other than parking it on the street. >> Yeah, they could park it on the street and people can enter, you know, access it from the sidewalk. >> Yeah, they they do that. >> They didn't think there would be a problem. I said you could I said the street's not closed. They said, "Oh,

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it's just the doors on the sidewalk." Said, "Okay, that's fine. That's fine." >> Yeah, that's fine. Um, so we'll reach back out to Bill and and ask him about putting him on the straits instead. Do we want to allow them that if if that

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doesn't work for them and that to allow them to potentially put it on the court if they provide >> either the plywood or the ground protection mats? >> They would have to provide those if we right >> we're not providing them. >> Yeah. Okay.

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>> We don't have it >> insurance indemnification agreement. If they do cause damage in addition to the insurance, we're not chasing their insurance. Let them chase their insurance.

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>> Looking like a lawyer. Good job. >> Glad I said good job. I call it right. >> Infrequently, but >> you deserve your money today. >> It's all I needed. >> Okay. Um, and this is just more of an

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FYI. So, obviously, you know, we had to we re we postponed our July 3rd uh Black Party and drone show due to the excessive heat um that week as we get to face it some of it again this week. Um,

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rather than trying, we were having difficulties with weekends. since it was starting to get pushed back into August and rather than trying to deal with potential heat issues again because summer's been a little brutal last couple of years. Um we the partnership is having their harvest fest for the

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week of the week whatever the week leading up to the week in the 20s leading up to the Saturday the 26th. Um >> September >> September um you guys have penitentibly

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scheduled the marker dedication for Elizabeth Haden on the on the 26th >> at at the Bankrooft property. Um, we uh we decided because of that week and the types of festivities he was already planning on Saturday, it would be a

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great spot to kind of land this. And so we're having the block party on that Saturday at the end of harvest week as kind of our final 250 event. Um, and then the drone show at the end. Made a

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couple minor tweaks to the drone show, but other than that it should be okay. Was the street already closed for the 26? >> No, we are going to close it. Um, we are checking with Jay Dogs as to how long they need. They have activities that are going on on the sidewalks during the

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day. Their events end as we are setting we're events will be finishing while we're setting up. Okay. And then kicking off our block party. >> They want to close it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's great. >> Yeah. Yeah. We did change timing of it

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for instead of 5 to 9, it's like 3:30 to 8:30 >> because it's sundown. >> 7:30 because 7:30 because it's sun. >> Yeah. So, we were looking at 3:30 to 7:30 being the timing of the event. >> I'm not sure. So, September 25th is

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fall. >> No, Fall week is harvest week. week. >> Correct. >> Same day block party.

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>> Friday. >> Yes. >> Saturday. Saturday. >> Saturday. >> 26. >> Yeah. >> Not Friday. >> Yeah. So, it's it's like their big restaurant week. Um he has like some kind of hunt for the kids going on on

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the 26 through the stores and stuff. We are trying to plan um like a table on Blanc type of thing down Kings Highway for either Wednesday or Thursday night. So it's kind of like that one last big harrah of the summer and everything to just kind of put everything out there. We thought that would be a nice

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conclusion. >> Yeah. >> Well, it wouldn't be dinner. >> It wouldn't be table. >> It wouldn't be dinner on Blanc. We're going to name it something else. But it's some that people know what that is. So >> speaking of that, Joanna has posted and please please share as everywhere you

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can. We have our um pub crawl on Thursday night. We still need some people signing up. So please push it out there. So we would like a few more. >> I thought it was a given that it was a pub crawl. I mean >> I know. But surprisingly we only have about 18 people. So we can get >> Oh, we'll get to more. That would be great.

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>> Yeah, sure. Yeah, we'll get it out. And and that's really important. So, uh, when we were talking about rescheduled dates for the drone and the block party, we do a lot for bringing traffic into town, but the 4th of July is something

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for our town, right? It's for our folks. And after the 4th, people bug out, right? They bug out until school starts again, really. So, uh, to to talk about September, it's it's a block party for Hatfield and it's a drone show for

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Hatterfield. So, it was pretty important to say wait for everybody to get back from the summer to do it and and and it's cooler and it's that but I mean I just wanted to kind of say it out loud but >> yeah, >> this is ours, right? And [clears throat] we should do it when our when when

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Hadfield's in town >> make sure you're in town. >> Actually, I might not be [laughter] >> because I'll be in Ireland taking my son to school. >> Oh my god. Well, I'm trying to stretch it into 10 days, so I >> Oh, I don't want to hear it. >> Oh, yeah. Right. Exactly. The school

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part's three days. Seven days is, you know, >> bad part. >> The bad part, right? Exactly. >> Well, there you go. >> Uh, okay. So, >> can I ask one more question while we're in that same kind of genre? >> Yep. >> Uh, just and just to be clear, who has

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the go no-go call for Sunday for the final? do mostly with weather. >> Okay. >> Every time I check, she's the guru, though. >> Too far away. It really is too far away. You can't

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>> Well, we can be heroes, but as we saw even on that Monday, I mean, there was a lot of rain, but it wasn't just that. It was the rental company was like, "We don't really want to bring our expensive stuff out when chance of lightning." So, so we have the call on the

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>> Yeah, >> you are whisperer. So, >> we'll figure it out. >> Ask about. >> Yes, it's with reenactors. >> Yeah. But are we like raising, you know, not like

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>> No. So what it is is it was it it was when we were working out different types of way to celebrate the 250 in the historic town. There was a group that did this kind of thing. Um and it's just it brings a different facet and you're

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you're reaching a different type of people with something like that than having you know some of the reenactors at in King's Court or you know the paper making or the candle making you know whereas you're more going to get kits for those kinds of things. This is kind of more of a fun adult thing to try and

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and we have George Washington and Sam Adams and I forget who the third and fourth person are, but so >> no, unfortunately they it's this group that does it and >> so you know reached out to the three

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entities that we had and and you know said hey would you be interested in help in participating in this and you know the costs are covered. We're not expecting you to to take care of it. as part, you know, the ticket. Um, and you know, they were they were interested in participating. So, um, we were on the

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phone with the woman this afternoon. Um, you know, each place one of the reenactors will take over the conversation and kind of like, you know, talk a little bit and and and interact with the people and it's just kind of it's an adult 250 event compared to all

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of our events looking for families and other alternatives. back to the soccer. My other question is where is the brief? >> So, >> but I know we we figured we thought we might have to adjust. >> We did. We we did adjust. Um Jason, Michael and I sat down last week, I

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believe it was. I don't know. Last week's a bit of a blur. Um and we sat down. We did move it so that it is from Hopkins. Correct. >> It is from Hopkins. between Hopkins and

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>> um >> correct. Um it is closer to Hopkins because you have to deal with less tree coverage and stuff. So you're going to have the screen around Hopkins. That block will be all people.

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Um, then when you get to the other side of Mary's place, >> then you have like the alcohol area and then on the other side of that you have the food court. Um, Michael has done a good job of and he did go to our vendors, our our

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businesses first, um, but did a really good job of bringing in a very eclectic uh, ethnic food to be there um, >> to cover all the countries of the world, >> as many as we could. Yeah. So, he's he's got I don't remember off top of my head

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at the moment. Um, but he did get he did get a wide variety. So, you're not just going down and having pizza and >> I'm having Maya's corn ice cream. That's what I'm >> Yeah. And there there are a couple of our places that are participating, most of which is coming in from out, but they're places that, you know, participate in a lot of the different

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like ethnic festivals and stuff. They already have the courts, they already have the the the um um health certificate, all of that stuff. Uh he also got a not brass band, steel, yeah, steel band.

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Um, so steel drum band and he was looking to get the Moroccan band also. Um, so that'll be some fun entertainment. Um, off to the side on one of the side streets we will have the bathrooms and stuff and one of the side streets we

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will have like outdoor games and stuff for the kids to play. >> So yeah, that's that is Sunday. Thanks. >> Yeah. Anything else on our events before we move on? Been a very busy year.

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Okay. Um let's discussion on on recommendations for the master plan. So here is a thraft from I've had questions I know after reading going through it. Um I would expect you may

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have some questions too and that I could take that. Um but here are proposed languages changing for one for the accessory dwelling units. As we talked about what we decided you know the initially the master plan was recommending just pick a couple of

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places but we felt that if we were making it a conditional use regardless of where you were in town if you could meet the conditional use you should be able to have one. And so that is one change from the master plan to what is proposed here. Um, we did not

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pick certain areas. Instead, we made it townwide. Um, so that's part of what they included in here. The restrictions are you're only allowed to have one per property. Um, it has to be a minimum of 400 square feet to a maximum of,000

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square feet. It must have a bedroom, a kitchen, and a bathroom. Um, they can all be two of them can be, you know, it can be a two room facility as as a studio. um or it can be individual rooms. Uh unless otherwise specified,

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the ADU and primary residence together shall meet all the existing bulk requirements. So you have to be able to you're not getting any permission. You're not getting additional space >> coverage or anything. >> Correct. You're not getting any permission for to do anything additional over and above what's already allowed.

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Um the height shall be a maximum of 22 feet or the height of the primary resident, whichever is lower. And if it is going to be a detached ADU, it needs to be a minimum of 10 ft from the primary residence. Meet all state and burrow um requirements for habitation.

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Uh for the determining for the purpose of determining the appropriate number of parking spaces, the number of bedrooms for the primary resident and ADU shall be summed. So, if you you know, whatever your parking is required for the house, if you have a one-bedroom ADU, then

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you're required to do an additional one and a half, I believe it is. >> Is that right, Frank? >> Yes. [laughter] >> Um, and again, it it's to the whole reason for doing the ADUs is to try and allow people to age in place.

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Um they do do a number they they also provide you information on like how many parcels this could potentially you know be um you only probably have you know out of 4,000 parcels you're probably only

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looking at 1500 that may be able to >> Yeah. And I think it's outside too but it's one of those things what they did is they all they did for that was knock out any of the properties that don't conform to existing rules and regulations because if you don't

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conform, you're not getting permission, >> right? If you're pre-existing non-conforming, you get this, >> right? >> And that's all they were showing that. >> Not that any of the rest of them had the room to do something. It was just >> when you're starting, you're only starting with,

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>> you know, 25% of what you have. A little more than 25% of what you have. Um then they did the duplex. They do recommend in here based again I believe these are on conversations we had with the master plan subcommittee that a

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duplex be limited to six seven and eight. No seven eight and n um are seven eight and nine. Um and again they're putting in just the restrictions on size. Um how many square feet if it's a side by side

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or a stacked and a couple of other um regulations minimum lot size width depth um and the parcels for the depth. So that's you know again and this is one of those things that we are just trying to

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provide um some alternative housing type stock. So for people who want to downsize or people who are trying to new to town and trying to move into something but you know can't afford the three fourbedroom house you know that's that's up for sale

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you know possibly with a twobedroom you know duplex or something like that. I can't go online but the what um what zone is like >> uh it is not seven eight or >> n

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>> a lot of those a lot of those are important >> duplexes >> duplexes So to me it would be a little bit odd to specifically exclude an area that at one point had to do but

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>> well that's kind of where yes keep that thought for conversation a little later because there was also something that was missing. >> So which I was kind of like I sent him a message and said where is it? So just waiting for that to come back. >> Um >> and there also other like

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down >> I think that area is covered. You mean on Lincoln? >> Yeah, that was kind of wrong. >> I I think I know Center because their the focus in the conversations was like Center Street. >> Um there are several on certain blocks

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of Center Street now currently, >> okay, >> that are non-conforming because it's not allowed under the old or under the old master plan. Um, so the focus was, you know, the these areas it fits because it's already there and stuff. Um,

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Washington was talked about because of the ADUs that they should be able to put them in. There was some conversation about putting them in Washington. There was also conversation about, you know, one of the thing I'll just skip to it now. One of the things that's not in here that we had talked about was

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allowing triplexes potentially if you're not changing the exterior. So you're keeping these big beautiful buildings, but you're just doing mostly interior work to divide them into >> like they did before. >> Yeah. Like they did before and then just

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having, you know, exterior doors and stuff that you may be adding. I know they were trying to when we sat down originally, they were trying to figure out how to do that in the planning world because you can't just say you can't change the exterior or something. So,

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I'm not sure what barriers they came up to because it's not included in here. And that's what I have to sit down and go over with them as to why it's not. That kind of is the conversation, you know, in Washington that could be a duplex or a triplex depending if they could do that. What you don't want the duplexes in here are if you're going to tear something down to put something

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back up, you could put a duplex. You don't want people tearing some of the Washington Avenue buildings down to put a duplex up. >> So, it's it's how you allow it. It's trying to figure out how you allow those things in a current existing building,

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>> right? Maybe the next section would control that too, >> right? >> I guess it's worth doing because Warway has there's all sorts of ones all over that pre 1984 is what you're saying, right? >> Yeah. But part of that conversation is

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one of the next steps always was to go back with once you guys are relatively comfortable with whatever's proposed to go back to the master plan subcommittee and say, "Okay, here's the recommendations we're thinking about moving forward with before we put it in ordinance form and present it to the planning board. What are your thoughts

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or recommendations to see if they want to change anything around too?" So, um I can certainly that's some of those things that I can can bring up um with them is, you know, some of these bigger areas. >> Yeah. Mhm.

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>> The other thing in the ADU section that I had said, what does and should I don't think it does in the language, but should it allow or prevent an owner to build the ADU to live in the ADU and then rent out

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the house? >> We can't put those restrictions in our zone in Okay. And >> no, I mean I So, we can't do that. We can't put that. >> That's not something we can regulate through planning and zoning. Okay. Um, we can't say which is which it has to be.

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[snorts] >> I don't know if you can >> I think you could do it by a deed restriction on on an individual property, but I don't >> Yeah, but I don't think we can make a deed restriction as part of the requirement of the planning and zoning >> sale though, can we? >> No, no, no. Okay.

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>> Yeah. There's there's no way that we can in we can restrict that. Well, and frankly that their purpose would be to able to age a place. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, so I mean, you would think that the rental of the big house would

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be better, but somebody might not be ready to give up the big house and just wants a little >> Yeah, sure. >> Yeah. How do you compression? >> The way I'm thinking that people who are already in place right now, they're

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potentially >> potentially. I mean, and that would be probably a popular use of it. >> Yeah. And and the other one is like you're going to have you have because you you don't it doesn't have to be detached. It can be, you know, it can be the mother-in-law suite. So, you're

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building, you know, a mother-in-law suite onto your house as long as you conform to the existing rules and regulations of what's allowed there and you can expand your property. you know, you can put the suite on. Um, that can be for, you know, an elderly family

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member. It's a family that their parent needs to move in with them. >> I think that's probably my guess >> is the second one. I will tell you in the circumstances where it has come to town and they've actually gone through the process of trying to request it. Not

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the ones that are currently illegal, but the ones that [laughter] have actually gone to the boards. We've had a couple of them. It's been that second situation where they've needed to bring in a family member >> um that they've come to the board and gotten approval for. But again, once they got approval, there's nothing we're

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allowed to do. >> Yes. >> But to say if it sells, >> it's all on one property though. That's the important part. Yep. Uh and then the other thing so you so attached I didn't see a requirement for exterior uh private entrance on on attached on detached obviously has its own entrance

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but on attached uh that it would >> I think it's in the I think it's in the um >> I was looking but maybe I missed a minimum a full bathroom, kitchen, and a bedroom. Um, but it says attached are

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located within the same structure. >> Number two, under the new >> established following new standards. AD shall be accessible without having to enter the primary residence. Yeah, there it is. >> All right. Thank you. I was looking wrong. I didn't have the right word in my head when I was >> Nope. That's >> all right.

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>> That's how they handled that. >> Yeah, there has to have to have its own entrance. It cannot go through the primary residence. doesn't have his own address for that much otherwise it >> let's not deal with addresses because I don't know I think it would end up having it own address

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>> that's the whole purpose of an ADU you want it to be its own unit >> right >> so therefore it has its own access otherwise you're just expanding the your house >> and you're under the next section which

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is the impervious overlays. >> Okay. So, the duplex reduce per uh reduce permitted building and permit coverage for residential zoning districts. Um again, this has to do with, you know, storm water and uh

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issues like that. And this the intent is that if you are um demolishing your home or putting on an addition that is greater than 50% of your current building coverage. Um these these new recommendations would

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change. So they are making reductions in maximum building coverage and maximum impervious coverage in every single residential district. Meaning if you tear down a house, the one you put back has a smaller footprint than the one you tore down. >> Correct. >> I mean, in layman's terms, that's

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exactly what we're doing. >> Yes. >> I would say most properties are just not >> But if you tear down it, >> but then they can't tear them down. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> So that's I mean the purpose behind this

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is is multiple. It is the request of HPC to look at starting to try and preserve the housing stock of Hadenfield regardless of whether it is in the historic district or not. Um, and because of the fact that regardless

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of what our petition to the National and State Registry is, there are homes in Hadenfield that are not now classified as historic homes even though they're not on the registry because they're built before a certain date. >> So, so the so the thought is so, so it's

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twofold. It's to help to try and preserve existing homes so that we don't just have tear downs to build up something bigger, you know, than what's existing. And it's to try and cut back on impervious coverage so that we have more space for rain to absorb into

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groundwater rather than just rolling to the street and going down into our storm system. So the idea behind that was how do you stop pe what what is the stick to try and stop people from just tearing their home down and building something new or rather renovating the

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interior of what we have. The thought process was then you cut back what they're allowed to do. You this will not be a popular thing by any means um because people will say you're affecting the value of their property and everything else because you know we

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didn't build out but somebody else is going to come and tear my house down and build out. Um, but the only way we can start to try and accomplish some of these things is by starting to limit because the amounts that we have on the books

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are from, you know, 100 years ago. And as we just indicated, weather is not the same as it was 100 years ago. >> You were saying enough about you we didn't finish that.

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>> Yeah. So like most of the properties there hadn't been resist. So you this is going to affect a lot of new construction which I think a positive thing. Um the one area where historic sort of

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growing I think because there was a lot of discussion about that board let's >> encourage preservation. >> I haven't gotten to that one yet. Sorry. >> Well, >> we're still on the impervious coverage

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and building from it >> and and I have a similar one that kind of falls at the lines to that too, which is if you have a pre-existing non-conforming and you think it's historic, is there any incentive from a

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improvement valuation of your taxes to incentivize you to actually put it on the register? run that one more time. >> If you if you want to put the house in start >> and it's pre-existing non-conforming >> rate which we tax you for the

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approvement doesn't >> we're not to change any of that stuff >> even if it is actually on the register. >> No register was our tax >> state no state you can get tax >> credit >> money credits and stuff from through the state >> not from us. >> Oh so the tax like credits I get

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>> that has nothing to do with us. Okay. Sorry. >> Property tax is property tax. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It has nothing to do with us. >> Then that's my account. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Nope. >> Yeah. No, there's nothing we can do about that. >> All right. >> Um, >> but if you are on the register, there

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are tax breaks. >> There are there are tax breaks for you, just not property tax breaks. >> Correct. >> Um, They did. They were supposed to go and look at like what

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>> Poni, you mean they? >> Yes, I'm sorry. Planners, correct? Penoni was supposed to go out and kind of take a look and and get a feel for what's out there and what may be reasonable. I don't know what you feel. I looked at the numbers and said it's not far enough,

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>> but >> you know, I mean, at least it's something. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. And that's one of the conversations I want to have with them, you know, in looking at their little maps. What do we really think? Compare that compare these numbers back to who's

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already conforming or non-conforming and what what's the real impact. Yeah. To me, >> you know, how many properties is you potentially [clears throat] affect that have not been rebuilt in the last five years? I can't think of one house

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on my street including ours that doesn't have a dip on it. And I know ours every sing. >> Right. >> So maybe this would help if somebody car. >> Yeah. >> And and look, we know this is nothing

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like this isn't something that's going to have an immediate impact, >> but it's a starting point. >> Yeah. because you know conversations we've had after floods and storms and stuff because we're always trying to figure out what you know and Frank will

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attest to this in one of the meetings I said then maybe what we do is act like the shore communities because if we can't put infrastructure in then maybe we just start requiring everyone in the future to build up and you just have a requirement that you know your bottom

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line now is is four feet above the level I I wouldn't want to go there because that's going to completely change the character. But this is something to try and start before you get there. >> I would rather insurance company do that.

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>> You can't. But the problem is in all realist in all honesty, I mean, we don't know where flood insurance is going right now because I don't think they've been funded either. But um you know, part of the issue is Hadenfield is not

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most of Hadenfield is not in a flood. So, um, their flood insurance is relatively easy to get >> and and depending on where a storm hits, we can't guarantee where it's not based on infrastructure. It's based on when

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the water comes down and where the water comes down. You know, that July 4th time, we got hit over in this section of town far harder than we did anywhere else. Whereas the 19 the 2019 storm, we got hit this side of town

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a little harder than we got over on on this side of town. >> So the 50 the number that that I like 50% of the dwelling size, but it didn't talk about walls. So I thought at one point we had talked about and I remember it sitting in the planning board meeting

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that uh like right now it's a three wall you could you could still preserve the facade and do a major reconstruction and that's not a tear down. And I thought that the conversation was two walls. Like if you do a two- wall reconstruction of your home, that's

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technically a tear down >> and right now it's three walls. >> I think it Well, three walls if you're three walls is not for this. Three walls is you can You're not considered a tear

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down if you're using if you're keeping at least one wall up. >> Right. And that's >> but that doesn't that's not what this is. >> That's not controlling that. >> No, this is saying if you are going to redo more than 50% of the building. >> Oh, not increase the size of your

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building by more than 50%. Oh, if you're redoing more than half of your house. Oh, okay. That's different. >> And and so I didn't >> That's the 50 I was stuck on like just building another house on your house. If greater than 50% of the building as measured by building coverage as defined is demolished for reconstruction or

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renovation, the building shall be subject to the standards as amended in the ordinance. >> That's good. I saw I was reading it as the addition is 15%. >> No. So that's that's the entire So I guess but my question is what you know and I guess I think that's

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probably the easiest way to keep it at least initially and then a and then amend it as necessary if we see it doing something but because like if you're expanding going up we don't really care but

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>> you have a high control >> right and if you're but if you're going out >> now we somebody only going out 45, but they're putting in an addition as 45% or 40% of the building. So now they're not complying by this. Do we want to say that that 50% is for existing walls, but

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there's a smaller number if you're putting an addition on? If it's a if it's an ex addition, not a not a uh height addition, but you know, >> you're not doing a second floor edition. >> Yeah. If you're expanding your building coverage, you're, you know, these new

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numbers kick in after a 25% expansion or something. I don't know. I'm asking you if that's something because to me, you know, I I like the 50% number of the existing building,

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but to me that's not enough if you're expand if you're putting an addition on. >> Well, we could that defeats the purpose of what we're trying to do this for. and forget about numbers. My goal is to be clear enough that they don't have to go to zoning for a variance.

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>> Well, they'll go they're going to go to zoning for variance in >> Well, we want to be clear enough where they can just say, but it's already spelled out. What variance do you need, right? Because that's what the message we're sending is go get your hopes up, right? >> So,

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here's something that I saw that developers will build up to you know, the the bitter edge. So, you have like an ugly like three little like negro front steps and then, you know, and all the the houses in that

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neighborhood all have front porches and then the people buy that house and then a year later the owner the zoning board saying, "Well, we want to put a, you know, a porch on here to make it consistent with the rest of the neighborhood." And zoning board looks at it makes sense and it makes the

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neighborhood look better. So, we'll grant to it because but it's a game they play. So I would like to have safe language in there saying that like this is all you get something the effect of like future like you know future variances you know

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cannot be considered to add you know torches that they could you know Okay. >> No, it doesn't burn them. It burns everybody else when they do it. >> Well, no. She is right in the sense that

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what happens is but you're buying a house, you're buying it as vivid. It's kind of like the people who buy in certain neighborhoods and then complain about stuff going on in the neighborhoods. Would you >> or or you buy on a curb or something,

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you know? you're you're buying in you're buying a specific thing. You know, if you're buying it to tear it down, then we want to make sure that that education program is really with the real litters, too, so that they all know, hey, if you're buying this, is your intention to

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keep the house because you may not be able to do what you want in the future. So, it's going to have to be an education thing with the realators, too, when we make these changes so that they know what's coming because otherwise people are going to say, "I'm going to buy it. I'm just going to make whatever revisions I want." So, you're right. they're going to be like, "Oh, we can

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just add that." But if they're told ahead of time, "No, you can't because whoever build it build it this way and now it's maxed out and there's nothing available >> unless you're down >> unless you're going to make some other

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changes. Correct. That you're going to downsize something, which in most situations, like Frank's talking about, the builder has maxed out everything. So there's really nothing you can downsize without tearing apart part of the house. >> I'm not saying what they did was correct

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>> because I think at some point in time we kind of went back to them and said you got to stop giving granting these variances. >> So So that example, >> but it's not because because it it still is impervious. There >> there's a house that was built to the

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extremes that They went for zoning board and they had a family room in the back. Three steps and then it went in the grass >> and then they had a garage in the back, right? The only way you could get a car

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to that garage was like Cooper. >> It was so small, you know, and [laughter] >> now the new owner is is saying [snorts] >> doesn't have a Cooper Mini. >> Like this doesn't like this is not a really usable property. So you a should

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be a harsh area is because like the kids can't play in the backyard. I can't get my car in here and we're like but like you you personally have not but the house you bought is maxed out maxed out on purpose coverage. So I I understand you can add the porch if you take it

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away from like something else >> or if people know that like and one that's happened here recently that if someone was looking at buying a house and a mutual friend connected us and he said well the seller said it'd be easy just put like a garage in the back

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garage. I can tell you right now you're not going to put a garage in the back. So I like So that's it's these kind of deceptive practices. There's some people out there that say, "Oh, it's just it's easy. Just go through it." >> It's not going to be easy going forward. And >> it's going to be harder.

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>> Yeah. >> And that's the whole thing. That's why we're going to have to make sure that we And look, it it's we can only educate everybody as much as we can and people things are going to still slip through and people are still going to come to us angry if this all goes through. But at

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least you're trying to do something. And what we're trying to do isn't limit people's choices in their reconstruction. It's to get a try to get a handle on the storer. >> Right. >> It's why it's impervious coverage >> and keep and keep character of the neighborhood, right? Yeah. Absolutely.

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>> Y >> encouraging you to keep your houses tear down. >> Yeah. >> So, you asked where the numbers came from. Are you happy with the numbers? You think they should be more of a change, less of a change?

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You know that >> reducing building impervious top >> was this your subcommittee of planning? >> No, this was the planners. >> Can we get an opinion from the subcommittee? Well, that's absolutely. >> Yeah, that's what I mean. You guys are seeing this first before I go to the

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subcommittee and I don't want to take it to them until you know I know that you guys are fairly comfortable with things or you need specific things from them. >> I look at the color Yes. >> Um,

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the proposed amendments decrease the permitted building and impervious coverage by 10% for each residential district zoning district rounded to the nearest whole number unless at a 0.5 increment. At least it's uniform, you know, so it's not showing any real favoritism from one

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R to the next R. >> Yeah, it's not horrible, but so um and then your other one is encouraging preservation of historic dwellings, resial dwellings and discouraging new construction that is out of scale in character with the burough's traditional housing stock. They're not all

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>> They're not all in the historic district. like like the democratic class from cars or one has a certain date age and then the other is a certain date speaker died. >> They're all like brand new.

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>> They really weren't charged properly. We kind of did this offline. I think that's >> not working upstairs. I think it's using older >> older homes and historic homes. >> And it is confusing because we do pride

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ourselves on the historic district homes. >> I still think we would need a definition of what an older home is. >> Yeah. your style of >> Well, it's it's I mean, typically I think a home has to be 50 years old to

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be considered historic. It's the same as I think cars are like 20 or 25. >> Yeah. Classic is 20, antique is 25. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Classic is 20 years. >> Classic is 20 years. The antique is 25

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years on a car. Yeah. >> House built in 1970 >> technically. Yes. >> And so with the person >> my house my house was in the 1950s by this definition. Like I I don't think it is historic. >> But 1950s

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>> 70 some years old. Yeah. >> There's a lot of places that are built in the 20s 100 years old. >> 1900. It can be really expensive. >> Well, I will say for affordable housing, it's 50 years.

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>> Yo, so I would tell you that having participated in some conversations with HPC, they do believe 50 years is a good deal. I don't necessarily agree with them, >> but

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technically, you know, he's dealing with technicality. So, I think I'll run this back through them. Um, so guess the question is I'll get answers from you guys and bring them back to you and then go to to master plan subcommittee. >> Okay.

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So, if you have any other questions or comments about this, we'll send them to them and I will pull together more information. >> Yep. >> Good visual to show. >> Yep.

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I'll get that for you. Okay, moving on. uh review 2025 audit. >> That should give you the clue. [laughter] >> The letter that should just give you the summary.

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>> Smaller font. >> Um all right. So you have you all have the copies of the actual audit itself. Um it was a clean audit. There were no comments. We're in fiscally in good health.

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So what happens is every year we get the audit uh a resolution will be on the end of this month which just say that you received it if for some reason there were comments. The reason the resolution says you've received it is you don't necessarily have to agree with the auditor's

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comments and recommendations or or their opinions um of what they're saying your financial health is. So they don't force towns to sign off and say we agree with our auditors. They just say you've received it and acknowledge that you have received it. >> Underst

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they they say your your fiscal it's in their actual statements in there, not necessarily the comments themselves. It's in the statements of how they're classifying your health. And it's like, you know, the health of this is, you know, declining, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And >> surpluses are a big one.

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>> Then they get then then some towns get, you know, antsy and be like, you know, you're you're messing us up with with Moody's and blah blah blah and we don't we don't acknowledge that. We think we're fine. And so they don't the the state does not require you to agree with your audit. They just require

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that you acknowledge receipt of your audit. get comments. >> There is no comment. >> It's comment free. >> So, what they've done is they've gone through and they've reviewed all of your our processes. They they've checked things to check and see if they could find anything wrong. They did not find

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anything wrong and that's why you have a clean audit. >> The only problem was they were glad that we don't do payroll. >> Yeah. >> Where they switch banks to make the >> Well, the bank typically doesn't. They they pay for it. They don't do the work,

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>> right? They they don't do the work. They probably >> All right, moving on to our next fun topic. Trash. >> Trash. Have I gotten comments about >> Okay. Well, the good news is um Suburban did submit

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uh a cost. They are the only ones who submitted for our bid. Um it is within the dollar amount that we anticipated, so we have money in the budget to cover it. Um, and Bill and I sat down with them because ironically the current way that

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they have collection system is cheaper than if we switched to the LAR. And what they said when we sat down with them is they understand Hadenfield. It's about service and they worked really hard on it and believe you know in providing that service to the residents.

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Um, so but but it is the number is different. also acknowledging that we are switching to once a month bulk um and taking away the the cleanout option. Um but there's no requirement to switch cans right now. What we talked about in

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long term is um potentially as we get closer to the end of the five-year time period is maybe buying the cans and starting to implement them and see how it works before we go out to bid as a possibility

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because they still believe it will help in the long run. Um but they also understand that trying to change too many things at once is not going to be helpful. And so we can we will have to reintroduce the the ordinance because we

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are going to make the revisions of taking out we're going to keep the revisions in there that we had regarding um bulk and with in bulk because the rest of the other wasn't actually in the ordinance.

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It was just a a practice. Um, but we are going to take out the solid waste must be properly placed into burrow issued 96 gallon of 64gallon solid weight containers not exceeding the container's 335 pound container rating. Containers should not have items protruding from the top side opening of the container

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which would prevent the lid from properly closing. We are and then we are going to switch the word from trash to solid waste. Will not be picked up and then take out containers not authorized and then just leave in bags, cardboard, blah blah blah blah blah. So, we're just going to take out that language we

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included in there um to um move it over to the those those one arm cans um and reintroduce at the end of this month. >> So, um what's their plan?

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Like there have been series of conversations on Facebook and messages from resistance. >> There was a new person on the back of the truck and knowing referencing the message.

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>> Yeah. >> Well, it was, but that's I believe that's been corrected. We're not aware of any other issues besides that one or two days. So, you'll have to let me know what the other issues are so that we can address them. >> It was mostly not even

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getting over and then crashing. as a vict. >> So, just do me a favor and and >> vote just pictures of those so that we can address that. And and um I do again it could have been around the same time as we had that that knee person on the

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back. Um which happens occasionally. Um, and they've been very receptive when we have called to reach out about issues. But just to bring reality back, um, you know, last year when we bid this,

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the cost was $533,000 for a year and now it's $960,000 for a year. So >> the other one >> 1.3

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>> the last time >> the last time around >> there were three >> there were three one was 1.3 one was 1.4 form. >> Do we have to do anything to the bond or bond or second reading? >> Yes, that's what I just said. We have to read. >> Oh, I thought you were talking about the trash.

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[clears throat] >> Oh, no. The bond ordinance second reading. No, because I had not put the cans in there. >> I did not put the >> We don't have to do anything to the bond ordinance. We just have to do that to the trash. >> Okay. Yeah, >> Yep. That's

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>> That's the one I was worried about. I was going to do another one for the bond, another bond separately if we were doing the cans. >> Okay. >> No. >> And the cap the capital word is have it listed as one of the things we wanted to tackle.

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>> May have. >> May have, but okay. But >> yeah, may in the budget. No. >> Yeah. So, we don't have to change it. >> When you do your long-term budget, you just have to put what you kind of anticipate potentially doing over the course of six years. You don't that's just a guideline, >> right? So we don't have to make any

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adjustments to that. So we'll have the budget hearing and we'll have the capital ordinance here. >> Correct? >> The capital the bond orance and the capital or >> bond or >> if for some reason you something comes up during the course of the year and you

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have to do a bond ordinance or capital ordinance and it was not in your capital plan that's in the budget. There's a resolution that you do amending your capital plan. We could just maybe don't remember

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>> I thought when we had the one arm that was wasn't this purchase. >> No, I think we because of where we purchased. >> No. Uh maybe back then. I don't think so. I don't know. I maybe

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>> it's too many years ago. Okay. Um, oh, and just also it's time to renew. Um, it's the next year. The county has approved the solid waste disposal where we take it and the fees that that we're

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doing that. That's uh um $92 a ton, I believe. Um, it the past couple of years it was in the high 80s. Um I thought last year was

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not I I thought last year's and this year's was actually not horribly different. >> There's a huge there was a huge spike one year like two or three years ago. >> Recycling was recycling went crazy. We went from $5 to the first month of

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recycling was like 187 or something. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's down to like 30 something now >> for recycling. >> Yeah. >> There's some municipalities that

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opted out of that >> trash. >> Yeah. And they got burned when all those bees like skyrocketed. They got like destroyed. So >> yeah,

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>> it is um they I know that they are working both on the recycling side and the trash side. They are working on coming up with additional alternative locations or at least having like

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you know a drop off location or something so that we're taking it to one place and then the company is responsible for hauling it someplace else you know to their main facility because we just don't have a lot of competition in the market. Um and it's

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not necessarily convenient for a lot of municipalities in the community. And then when we're dealing with like logs and some other things, um, places that we took it are no longer accepting it. And now we're having to travel, you know, an hour and a half to to drop things off and it's making it more

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difficult. Plus, they're charging us. >> Yeah. >> So, um, so the 92 wasn't actually horrible. Um, and again, it's not like we have much alternative that it's I would not recommend going back out. Um several of

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the people who did go back out came back in under this last contract. >> Um so uh next item is just to talk about parking alternatives just briefly. Um you received the email from David

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talking about Kate May. Um Aar had indicated she would like to revisit it. I just wanted to figure out how you want to revisit it. like how you do we what do we want to do we want to write emails to the landlords and what are we

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thinking about what Kate May didn't do in their ordinance was include any kind of idea because it's in the agreement individual agreements and what they're compensating them for um I will tell you Frank was here uh you two weren't when

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we changed when we got out of the agreement with presby because it no longer makes sense But we were paying more each year in the services that we had to provide than we were bringing in in revenue. >> Yep. The email. So what it was, so what Kate May did was they are entering into

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agreements with private landholders that have parking lots. >> Um and those parking lots are then being allowed to be used for public parking. Two scenarios. example is we used to do it with Presby, we do it currently with

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Baptist Church. Um, believe it or not, the Chestnut half of the Chestnut Street parking lot is Baptist property. Um, and so we pay them X dollars a year or use of that and we collect the revenue from that. We have to block off additional

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ones if they have funerals, things like that. Um, but other than that, we get use of for the most part of their parking lot. Um, >> do they maintain it? No, we maintain them all. Um, >> yeah, sure. >> Well, and and when when they entered

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into them initially, they actually the burrow went through and resurfaced them all and put lights and stuff. So, the problem with Presby was the maintenance of it and what we were required to maintain and we weren't providing the maintenance. They were

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going out for the maintenance and then just sending us bills. >> You mean plowing or insulting? >> Yes. and yes some other things and so they would send us bills and it was it was more than we were bringing in >> okay so I'm obviously very spoiled I

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feel I don't feel really where I feel this is um elevated almost but one of the things that comes to mind when you talked about it is because I will tell you

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we looked at this I'm going to say 17 years ago or something um none of the majority of our landlords in the businesses downtown did not have big enough parking that per that really made sense because we were just trying to get

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them to like use it, you know, even with each other helping each other out or whatever. It didn't make sense. What makes sense is a place like 56 had, you know, they had a huge parking lot, but Monday to Friday during the day, they may not really have that much

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available. um you know it can it can be somewhat full but for events and stuff like that that may be something where we say hey you know when we have events and we're shutting down the highway we would like to enter into an agreement with you we'll pay you X but that becomes public

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parking you know for whatever spaces are available something like that would make sense plus that's a big enough and it's within walking distance of the downtown >> when I mentioned that's how I was thinking about it like how do we expand what we have that's

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support the need for our folks or something like that. Over the years, um the need for parking downtown was a chant for a very long time, insisting that we needed more parking. Um and people wanted to put us

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to put a parking garage up. Um, personnel changed and stuff. I just telling you what has occurred over the last 22 years. Personnel has changed and stuff of of you know who was all involved and that cry became less and

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the parking we had. People were comfortable with what we had and thought we had enough. It come it es and flows, you know. Um the parking problem we have and you know is is more these people the the door dash people and things like that that

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are just parking illegally and you know or pulling into a spot and just you know running >> throwing crazy U-turns. >> Yeah, that's that's that's the bigger issue we have right now that I'm aware of. You guys may be hearing something else, but I'm not really hearing parking issues are a big deal except like the

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Acme when we have big events and people are parking in the Acme and the Acme doesn't want them. Now, if we But here's the problem. If we entered into an agreement with the Acme and said, "We're going to but it's not the Acme. The Acme doesn't own the parking lot. It's a different landlord that owns the

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building. They only they they lease it. So, you know, we could talk about but using portions of theirs, getting permission to use a portion of their property with some agreement with both Acme and the landlord. Um, but not the whole

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property. Um, but they have issues when people take over their parking. Um, you know, so it would be we would we could we could certainly talk to certain landlords about potentially doing it for things where we have big events where we

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need some additional parking like the craft fair. Well, and I will thank Keith, the owner of Centennial, one Centennial Place or Plaza or whatever his name. Uh he did allow the crafters themselves to park their >> extra equipment and their vans and their

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trailers over there for the weekend. So, thank you. >> Yeah, that was I think a second or third year he's he's done that. That was very helpful. I don't know if this has any right now given well there are a few things coming up but maybe it does for me when I first

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read that that would be the only position like for out of town shut down roads parking well I will raise a stake and I'm going to do this on the record so Sunday

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at 11:00 a.m. the the packet lots were all closed. >> So the gates did no longer went up. They they switched them all to closed >> on Sunday. I had no idea. So I was going to I was

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going to call John Hansen or somebody over there and say, "Why did you close the lots?" They were not full and they were not doing construction that day. It's it's as if they closed the lots because we had out oftowners coming who were parking there but not using the packer. Was they over the gate?

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>> No, they were they were closed. Like they say closed and then the gates don't work. But those lots were nowhere near full. >> What I will tell you with Patco, we used to have an agreement with PCO and actually installed a gate.

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>> Yes. to the Allen Avenue lot that after 10:00 a.m. Jason was it when they made their parking free, we were allowed on weekends to open the gates and so people could drive between the two parking lots and use their parking. They went through

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a number of public safety incidences in parking lots that they owned um and they shut everything down. At the same time, the residents of Lynen used to be able to park there overnight. They kicked them out. They were trying to charge an

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incredibly obscene amount of money to be able to use those spots for something like that. Um, and it came down to you can't open the gate and you can't tell people they can park here. And so we are very careful every time we have events and stuff not to state that there's

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parking available at Pathco because they don't want people parking there unless they're using the train. The liability issue that they have >> there. >> Yeah. And the only thing I can think of is they have no way to enforce it

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normally and knowing we had that many people and that they were going to be full, they just decided to do it. All right. >> Okay. >> All right. So, I will I will have some conversations with a couple of the

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bigger landlords to see if that's something they would be willing to have a conversation about and then we can go from there. Saturday tragedy. I just want to talk to you about this real briefly and you can just turn it to Dave if you want to in whatever decision he wants finance or we

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can have a big conversation. We have probably a third of the people who never paid their bill whatsoever and they're still whining and crying and don't want to pay it because they don't want they say they don't use the service. Um I really would just like to send a letter to all of them and say you get free trash pickup five days a week. So stop

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complaining about one. Um, but it it's this point we're at a point now where we are no longer charging for it, but we have these outstanding balances. So, do we just want to wipe them or do we want to try and collect them and if we don't collect them, put them on tax out?

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We're talking like 700 bucks >> per person or in total? >> Per person sometimes. Yeah. One of them. >> Yeah. I'd have to go back and look, but working for you, right? Like part of the

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condition of having business downtown is that >> these aren't necessarily the had the kids highway res. That's the problem is that this also includes you know a

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>> includes Haden Avenue some of which and look >> don't have trash you know it's like >> and and there's people even on Kings Highway that's are involved and it's it's they they do not have a significant amount of trash. They're not why we put this into place. However, when we put it

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into place, it was it was felt that it was easier just to divide the cost amongst everyone because you got five day a week trash pickup. And so just divide it amongst everyone for the cost of that Saturday

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pickup. And so that's how we did it until the price came down. I'm not even trying to calculate it now. I'm just going to continue leaving it not for now. and we can figure out next flight budget cycle whether we want to bring it back or not. >> But

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>> are we not we're not charging anybody for Saturday or we're not charging? >> No, we're not charging for Saturday right now because the price with the last contract it went so low it didn't make sense for us to have to do it and I don't like it was easy with waste management because it was a new cost that we added on. So I knew what the

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cost was. So I would actually have to like calculate what the cost is for it. my opinion wipe it or >> no wipe it because administratively it's such a big hassle to then do tax sales

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>> and then >> for such small amounts I mean we're not going for somebody's property taxes or their CCA or anything like that these are Saturday trash >> but then restart the clock >> no >> no because we're not charging anything right now those.

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>> So, it's just we have an all balance that's still sitting on the books for people that didn't pay. >> How many of them are there? >> A handful. >> There's a decent >> I think there's like 45. >> Oh, I thought it's only about 20. >> No, I think I I'd have to check. I I have not had a list lately. Yeah.

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>> I just know I still have a couple of them that are still calling and saying they want to appeal it. 40 I mean 45 different businesses on >> different throughout >> throughout the business district >> throughout the business district whoever

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got pickup >> whoever is classified as a in the ordinance as a business within the business district gets Saturday pickup. So even if you're a resident in the business district, you get Saturday pickup. >> How much money do you spend trying to get them to pay? >> Well, that's

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>> we would spend money to try to get them paid. >> These people are attorneys like I'll represent my dad is still alive. He would fall in this category and he would be one of the people that just fighted just attorney.

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>> I can think of attorney a right now that's been fighting it and very vocal. You know who that is. Yep. >> So, I mean, >> you get five of those, it'll eclipse. >> Yeah, that's right. I mean, as much as I would like to turn this group, I think

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it's not worth it. >> And I'm the negative for >> my if the cost of collecting it is more than the actual amount, then yes, forget it. >> Okay. >> It's it's a costbenefit [clears throat] analysis. And that the tax did serve its

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purpose at the time when we had that massive increase and now we kind of recouped it and that's been the message to some of the people that were effective. >> And our downtown has gotten super popular. So six day a week trash pickup in our business district is kind of important. >> The the the people who the people who

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pay for it and also our large consumers don't complain, >> right? At least the people who like fall in there and you know they they throw out the trash once a week you know why they >> a financial planner is completely digital they don't even have the trash

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they have is their soda can >> okay more comp >> that's hard too >> it's hard too but like >> well it might be >> look I'm not recommending we move go back into implementing it because right

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I mean, unless I put it in a bid and classify it as something separate and put it back out to bid, it's very difficult to come up with the price. >> It is. I'm not going to disagree with you. >> Well, because that's honestly, you know, I say that, but that's the next step. If

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trash costs keep escalating, one of the next steps is to eliminate business pickup. >> Yeah. >> Because we're one of the few places that provide it. Now, I don't know how much that would reduce our cost. And I think it would be very

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detrimental to >> never actually say to do that, but >> but that's but I mean that's >> but it's on the table. >> It's always got to be on the table. And I will tell you one of the things that is occurring and and we had this conversation with our trash hauler that depending on what the price came in at

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at some point in time we may end up bringing it back in house. That's just something you you may end up considering. And one of the things, you know, we have enough equipment because we have backups when we have, you know, veg and we have recycling so that we can

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do double trash day and everything. We have the the vehicles there. They're old and decrepit, but it's going to take two years to get a new vehicle. So, we would use every vehicle we have until the new ones come in and then rent them if we need to if something breaks down. So, I

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mean, you have the ability to do trash back in house. Not great, but you have the ability. I'm not recommending we do that right now. >> No. Winsow did it because they were only out for one contract and then they realized it wasn't cost effective. So,

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they went back in. So, their equipment wasn't old. They still had the staff because they were doing all the other breakups. So, I know that it was circulated that Winslow is bringing it back. Yes. But >> they weren't they weren't private for very long and it just wasn't working for

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them. So they went back and they also had unique. So that's another reason they went back because they were in a contract year and it made a lot of sense. >> Okay. Um so you may see a resolution on canceling that rounder field

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improvement. Um >> thank you for color code. >> You're welcome. I still have to write up the words that go with it. Um so what you have in front of you is basically one of the pages to the the um

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specifications. Um it's showing that what in conversations we want to get it out there to the public what we're looking to do um to try and just get some information and some possible feedback. Dave and I were talking and we

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felt that, you know, bring it up tonight so it's on a public agenda exactly what we're looking at. Um, and then Joanna will work on something, we'll work on something later this week to put out um, kind of explaining what we're looking at and getting public input. So, if people

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want to comment or have concerns or questions, they can give them to us before we go out to bid for it. Um, so that we still have time to make any modifications and stuff as needed. So basically what and and your biggest complaint is going to be the people on Wayne Avenue

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because people are going to come in Ragner which they currently are now to go into the parking lot but rather than lose parking spaces by trying to come up with a pattern so that they can you know also you can still go back out

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Ragner but what we're recommending is having an entrance and exit on Wayne Avenue also just to kind of provide you with you're going to you're taking up all of that space. It's a little more ease of access into into it. Um it'll also I

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think the one thing I think it will assist with for the Wayne Avenue folks is we have a little bit of a drainage problem down there at the end of Wayne Avenue and so we'll be able to address that drainage problem with this and with the grading and stuff we're doing um in

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this project. So, we're expanding the parking. Um, I think there ends up being like close to double what's currently down there. Uh, the pink area, that's the yellow. The pink area is the playground. Um, we haven't finalized what the playground

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will actually contain yet. The two greens, >> but we got the green. >> We do have a grant to fund some of it. Correct. Um, the two green areas are uh new fields. Currently, there is a multi-purpose field that's thrown out across the ball fields, the grass area

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of the ball fields for field hockey. >> Don't feel yourself, Chief. >> Um, >> this will actually provide us two fields, two grass fields that we can use. Um, and the key, you know, in

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addition to the field hockey, the what I just punish the key issue is, um, when we go to to put the top back on down at Crows Woods, you're not going to have soccer fields. Um, you're not going to have softball

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fields, but we got to address that in different place in time. Um, so this is at least trying to put two fields out there that at least we might be able to use to provide them at least something else they can do. We have drainage issues um at the Farwood field and so we

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are going to regrade and redo that field. You also have pvious uh I think it's either I think it's going to be pvious asphalt that is going to be the walking path. Um and we'll be addressing some of the drainage issues that we currently have out there on the

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fields. These are turf grass. >> The grass. >> Oh, it's all natural grass. >> All natural grass. >> No turn. >> And the nice part of being able to move field hockey out of the outfield of Spicer, the one in one, the one that's

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not touched in from a recreation standpoint. Fields of that dimension are very high in demand in the fall. And we don't offer that in our roster at all because uh >> field hunt >> because field hunt. So, uh, we could be

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renting out those fields, uh, to teams in the front. kind of mock this up in a way friendly for folks in that area mostly and then get that feedback which totally >> no lights >> no lights >> which is another key thing u which would

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make uh some of the neighbors >> happy that we're not expanding the use >> and uh there's fence work >> yes >> included in the orange field to help protect barwood more from that >> yeah we do have some fence up now which is helping And the guy has not gotten

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any balls since then. >> I know. So great. >> But yeah, >> and the reason that's orange, even though it's an existing field, it's going to be completely regraded to drain into the outfield because right now it drains to the first baseline

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>> and and dug up and and just put new all new surfaces back. We're not >> Yeah. No. So right now it drains that way to the street and it washes the field out. Now baseball fields are supposed to drink into the outfield because that's where all the grass is. Just like in Perkins Coach

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and and it's all it'll all be dog and dirt cuz it's rotten and that's in the door. >> Any other questions? >> Okay, the next one is as you can see behind us because we came down here to work tonight. Thanks for the air conditioning down here. Um, we have

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mayor photos along the back wall, but you cannot see all of them because of the of the TV. So, there's been a couple of different recommendations. One, we were trying to figure out where we would move them. Um, >> well, then you would have to take down

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the pictures that are there and put them up. I'm look this is a block building so if we're going to move anything I'd like to only do it once because it's not easy to do any of this stuff. Um so there's recommend you know so you have options you can we can find another home for them someplace in this building. There's

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been a recommendation of maybe giving them to the historical society because we have not had one since Tish um and just kind of give up on the practice and hand them all over there. You know it depends. Do you want to keep them or do you I mean

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It is solely up to you guys. >> I'm the one who recommended go. [laughter] >> So some of the older folks, some of the older folks may not be happy that we do it. I'm just letting >> Yes, we are. And anybody, any mayor that has not gotten their picture that wants

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to get their picture, we will be happy to turn it over to the historical slide with the rest of them. >> We didn't want to do it without asking you guys how you wanted to handle it. You only go up there after you're done. >> We're dead.

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>> After you just say that you fell. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. Anyway, [laughter] next is the agenda. >> Oh my god.

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>> Um, okay. July 28th agenda. Uh, we will obviously be changing the second reading for ordinance 202614. Do you want us to rename that or just keep it the same number? >> Let me. >> Okay. So, we will be reintroducing it with the amendments or maybe we just put

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on it that we're amending it. >> I would just pick as an amendment. >> Yeah, we'll put on as an amendment and that'll re reinstitute the first reading. >> 28 to 27. 27. >> 27. >> 27th is Monday. >> 28th on here. >> That's Yeah, that's >> Yeah, the last meeting was the 28. >> Oh,

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that. >> Okay. >> Yeah, because when you said 20th, I think it's Tuesday. I know Monday is 26. >> Well, we only did Tuesday last month because Right. >> Right. Gotcha. Okay. >> Yeah. We don't need to do the cash management plan. We did that last year because we were because you guys are

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brand new and we had to add people. Uh the audit it'll be 2025 audit 24. I'm not sure we have to issue checks to emergency medical services. Were you asked to do that or is that just from last year? Okay, she does. Okay, there

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is some. Okay. >> Um I don't think there is any general event permit applications because we don't need to make changes. So there are nothing there. So that can get can be taken off. Um, do >> we have a tax grace period this year? >> Yes, >> because we do not have a tax rate yet. So,

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>> we just had to do that, >> right? You have to have it out before. >> Yeah. So, it'll it'll be whatever it there's an automatic calculation that gets added to it. >> Okay. >> Um, the professional services will depend on what decisions you make later this evening. Uh, do we have to fire

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more fire department members? >> Yes. >> Okay. And you can't move it because we authorized it on that date in that time period for the fees for the trees. >> Right. >> Right. That's why I figured. But if we could move it to January, that would be

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wonderful. >> Yeah. >> Maybe we can. We'll look at that. Uh yeah. And we are awarding uh the tree bids came in. So we are awarding base bid and all alternates uh and the stalk and stump and the stump removal. So

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we'll be awarding those and hopefully >> company. >> Yes. >> Yes. For both of them. They're two different companies. It's the same company for the stock and stump and the stump removal and then a different company for the tree. >> But the same ones we used the last time for those

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>> and then we can get Redmond Avenue. >> And then we do have the two um um um insert grant money. >> Oh yeah yeah yeah. So, um, we also have to do two chapter 159s. Uh, we have two

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grants that need to be added to the the alcohol education and rehabilitation and the recycling tonnage grant need to be added to the budgets that we spend. >> Okay. Such exciting things. Good. Well, I will like that though.

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>> It's not theirs. Oh, >> that's not theirs. Um that's it for the agenda. Anything else on the agenda? Questions on the agenda? >> So we're authorizing the award July. Do you know when reaction will

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work or is that too easy? [laughter] >> His pricing is very very >> He's talking about the stalk and stump guy. >> Yeah. Which is probably the bigger issue. >> Yeah. The stalk and stump guy prices is incredible. But he works a little here, comes back, works a little there.

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>> Super cool. And this is the only business >> you again he is the lowest responsible spitter by a high significant amount >> and he doesn't change like change orders and stuff like that. So like he rips up

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a stump but he takes out like a like charge that he doesn't >> he fixes it. >> So >> but it fall. >> Yes. But well, but >> sometimes a tree grows over those things. Okay.

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>> Yeah. And and we he doesn't know that they're there and like so it's it's >> Yeah. So the tree guy it generally it'll be a time period and he'll come in from you know once he gets started it'll

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be you know roughly a couple of months until he's done because he'll come in like consistently. going to be wonderful trying to explain to our residents that uh it's gonna happen on a long timeline. >> No, it's I mean it's look, you're only going to have a couple people

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periodically that are rather persistent. Most other people you say, "Look, we awarded the bid and we're just waiting for the contractor who's working throughout town." And >> there ever been any situation where by the end of the season, not done? >> Um, okay, I'll take that as a yes. It

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depends what your end of your season is. We [laughter] the blind bid. >> Usually within a year it's done before we go back out to bid again. Usually the >> No, but this is the life of of public bidding, right? He's the lowest

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qualified responsible bidder. >> And and and sometimes again sometimes it's weather dependent. Sometimes it's stuff that's going on, you know, and he's he's gotten sidetracked onto other things or health issues or whatever. And so you're dealing with, you know, the contractor coming out and doing it. Um,

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it's not been >> horrible enough that we've wanted to create issues where we can disqualify him in the future. >> So that would be my next question. Can we raise threshold or what would qualify? >> So in order in in New Jersey, you would

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have to if you have a bidder that you've used before, you actually have to document all of the concerns and problems so that if they deep. >> Yeah. So that >> sounds like we have a bunch. >> No, I think we have three guys on one.

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>> What you have to is just you find those wonder. I hate to say >> get to this one next. >> Yeah. >> Because honestly the work he does is is good work. He's just a little slow sometimes. >> But he explained the president saying it

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it saves us tens of thousands of dollars to have him do it. He's just not the fastest guy on earth. So, but so in the meantime, you still got to stop. These are these are, you know, problems. >> If you had a burrow tree on your

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property, it's probably like a $4,000 take. >> Yeah. >> Call them shamp. >> But yeah, that's exactly what it is. >> Yeah. >> Um I didn't come up with it. Somebody else gave it to me. Yeah. So, I mean I mean and honestly

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it's you do you're going to have a couple of people that'll play and you know it's one of those things we award it. I would give those those couple of people to Bill so that he knows and say ask the guy to go out and do these first. >> In fairness the water revenue is

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probably >> Yeah. >> So I would just I would let Bill know he's got to start here >> and and Bill will instruct him to do that and hopefully he'll take it over, you know, fairly quickly and you'll be good. All right. >> I have a problem with those using sand

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in Jersey. >> Oh my god. A long time. >> Oh, cold. >> Oh my god. That's >> a cold winter. >> They're the only ones allowed to use champagne outside of France. >> It is because you're so young. >> It is because

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heard that really a long time. >> Your phone. >> Anything else on the meeting agenda? I have no nothing to update on PFH. Uh so my next question is a simple one before we go into close or before we deal with the press and then go into close. Um

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so GIS reached out to me. The place at Hadenfield received a 2026 smart grant smart growth award. Um the award ceremony will be on October 7th at the New York Museum of Art and there's a little two to three minute video that

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they make with interviews from contributors to the project. Uh they would like someone from Hadenfield to speak in the video. [laughter] >> Okay. I will let them I will put them in contact with you. And >> I have one more thing though.

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>> Yes. Oh yes. Yes, you do. We do have one more thing. >> Yes. I I think it's time that we advertise for the >> Yes. Oh, no. That's it. That is on the list. But no, that you have one more thing other than that, too. Um the other thing you have is the county

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park and the >> Oh, right. Yes. So, we have we have a we have a growing issue uh with the new gazebo of unauthorized and unpermitted parties. Um, >> we don't have the parking for the amount

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of parties. >> Oh, no. I took them all weekend because um, >> and really it's it's it's noise and it's parking. >> Noise and parking. >> Noise and parking. And two things that specifically say no. uh and on their

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website they actually took down the reservation system because there isn't enough distance from houses nor parking to actually offer a permit for the gazebo. So um >> but it is a public space so people are allowed to use a public space.

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>> Yes. >> The issue we have is enforcing parking and the noise. Now the one thing I did not have a chance to do was to check like our parks They close at dusk. It's dusk on the on

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the it's 9:00 or dusk. Um so I'm assuming the counties is probably the same and I don't believe there's lights there. So you know we're going to have >> only safety lights for the steps. >> Yeah. So technically no one should be holding an event. They should not be

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gathering there after dusk. >> Right. And we just need to enforce parking because parking whatever the regulation for hot >> there's no signs. >> There's no signs there. >> So we would have >> they take them down to do the work or >> No, that's what we were trying to figure out today. All of us are breaking the

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same. >> Is it is it in the ordinance? >> Well, there's never a reason really to park here. You're not allowed to park >> on either side, >> but you can park on the other side. which is either should be able to park

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anywhere on those street. >> Yeah. >> Except for those bumpouts that area, >> right? But if we limited parking, >> yeah, it would be an issue with the residents if we took away parking on the one side, >> especially if you get a contractor

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in it. But I think signs need fill up. We have to figure out the signs that we reach out to Scott. >> Yeah, >> but really that is the only thing that we can actually manage. It's barking, right? People >> and noise and the noise, right? If you're really jacking up,

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>> but I mean noise technically isn't until 11, but it's the it's the what we have to check is whether or not the county closes their park the same way we do so that it's technically closed once dusk happens. In which case then what I would

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tell the residents is if there's people in there after dusk, call 3000 and an officer will go over there and ask them to leave. >> Yeah, it's definitely a changing use and there's growing pains. >> Thank you very much.

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And yes, the clerk's position should be advertised um in the week um for the end of the month. >> Are we done? >> And I think he's finishing that. How Could you recognize his efforts like

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just invite him to he's not asking invite him to meeting recogn yeah yeah yeah >> um they're asking for the scope of the previous studies that were done far

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that really I think what they're trying to understand is what has been done and what has yet to be done and then see how much money they have to raise. I will in my conversation with Scott, I'll find out from him because he was the one authorizing some of the survey

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work when we met with him last time. >> But let me talk to him and see what he authorized and >> they it was but it was through the county. It wasn't through us. >> Okay. Anything else?

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>> Future work session just the maint. >> Yeah, >> just just so we don't move. >> Yeah, you guys don't have to tell me what you want what you want to call it. I mean, we could send a letter to the residents on that side and say, "Hey [snorts] guys, if you have suggestions,

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send them our way so we can >> the other Thomas Evans alley." >> Yeah, >> I know. That's I'm going to put my notes. I remember >> they'll say place. >> All right. We'll send a letter to the residents asking on what they recommend

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>> Skyber that's the other that's the other name >> and alle do you want me to send letters to the residents or do you guys just want to pick a to live with it. Anything else?

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>> All right, we have code to talk about uh professional appointments. >> Well, I'm going to do the recorder quick. I just I wanted to while you were going on the record, why you were going professional appointments that will be

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on the voting agenda on the 27th. >> No action. No. >> No. >> Um, no. It's it's it's um working papers right now. >> Okay. >> So, once once we have something more formal, right now it's still just

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working papers. Okay. Okay. >> Oh, John, you have anything or Kathy? >> John's on the reporter. >> Oh, no. Kathy's ready. >> Okay. All right. >> All right. >> Do we have a motion to go into close? >> Second. >> On the motion. All in favor?

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>> I real. >> Thanks, John. Thanks, Kathy. >> Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. >> All right. >> Always always got in.