Okay. >> Good evening everyone. In accordance with the open public's meeting act, notice this meeting has been sent to the retrospect and posted on the bulletin board in the burrow hall. First item on the agenda is public comment period. After that, we will have a resolution uh
to award the grass cutting for on public property. That bid came in after uh our last meeting and services are supposed to start this year. So therefore, we're doing it tonight rather than waiting for the regular meeting >> this month. >> This month. So at this point, we will
open to the public comment for anyone who wishes to speak to the commissioners at this time. And this is the only public comment period. >> Is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak with the commissioners? Seeing none, is there anyone online that would like to speak with the
commissioners? Seeing none, we'll move on. Oh, you want to do the >> the data >> the data thing public comment. >> There is one public there is one proud public comment from uh a citizen who gave us feedback on the resolution
202605 amending this special improvement district section five. Um so I'll read it as as they wrote it. Um, for a consistency sake, the phrase, "However, they need to be residents of Hadenfield," appears at the end of
sections 1, 2, and three. For consistency, should it also appear at the end of four and five? If not, why is it included in one, two, and three? A typo in section four. Govern should be government governed. Manufacturing class in four, there should be an explanation
of what a class B manufacturing license is. That's not a common term like retail. and readers of the ordinance should not be required to research it to find out what it means. Um, in professional service section section five, there should be an explanation of
what a professional service use type 1, two, or three is. That's not as common term like retail and readership ordinance should not be required for research. I did research professional services 1, two, and three and found it pertains to
specific professions licensed in the statute including but not limited to architectural or engineering specifically architectural professional engineering and surveying and land planning medical allied health medicine surgery and dentistry and such and legal
finance attorneys CPAs and public accountants. I'm curious as to why you have deemed it necessary to have a separate class for these types of professionals. Resident position seven. There's a proposed amendment to increase the number of residents from 1 to two. That part of the ordinance currently
reads, "One resident of the Hadenfield does not qualify for appointment under the above subsections. In other words, a resident cannot be loss of a licensed professional, a licensed occupant, a service provider, an operator, own a retail business, or own real property."
The proposed amendment reads, "To residents of Hadfield, a good faith effort will be made to appoint individuals who do not qualify under other categories." This proposed language does not specify these categories for which residents may be appointed. It just refers to other categories.
It should be possible for commissioners to claim despite their good faith efforts, they've been unable to find a resident who qualifies under another category and appoint a second or even third commissioner, the partnership board. Uh I don't think that is even it
shouldn't be possible and therefore the language should be specifically excluding the commissioners themselves. Um the authors are the original ordinance with very good reason to require that one board member be a resident who has no professional or business interests. They recognize the
business district exists within the context of the wider community. For many years this provision worked exactly as intended. It should be should not be manipulated. One example, I may give a couple of examples. Uh if a knowledgeable, thoughtful resident
has been at a meeting when the matter was presented, he or she likely would have caused would have raised a red flag uh about the good faith effort. A lot of grief and bad PR could have been avoided. Uh they I'll leave it with this because
they're running out of time. I'll be blunt. Encouraging volunteering volunteerism generally and recruiting residents to serve on barer commissions boards and committees are fundamental aspects of a commissioner's job. Any commissioner who once every three years cannot convince one resident to serve on
the partnership board not deserve to be a commission. >> For the record, you read >> I read that of President David Hunter of Windsor. They're they're not your sentiments, Mr. Mayor. That >> No, they are not my sentiments. >> Clarification for the record.
>> Okay. Having no other public comment, public comment will end. Um the resolution for this evening is authorization to award bid grass cutting on public property. This this bid is being awarded to the Yellowstone Landscape Company. Um this
is for all of the um recreation fields within town. The low bidder we received eight bids and the low bidder came in at roughly 31,000 for the estimated 30
weeks >> and it's a weekly cut. >> It is a it is yes once a week to two inches. >> I'd like to make a motion to approve and award Yellowstone. Oh, before we do that, >> there's also latitude there based upon
debt and it was graded or something too. >> Yes, I believe so. >> Okay. >> Can you just make sure about that lancing company all recy? Thank you. >> Yep. Go again. I'll make a motion to accept
Glow Stone uh as the field of the mower recreation. >> I also >> voting on that motion. Commissioner Cole. >> Yes. Thank you. Commissioner Troy >> in favor. >> Commissioner Sidell
>> in favor. And like I said, we we normally might might try not to do business at a work session, but this was a timesensitive one because the crisis already gone. Okay, the next item on the agenda is to talk
about use of burough property. Um, we have two requests for events uh and two requests for rooms. The first one is the fort nightly to hold their annual snowflake run. This is everything is as it has been over many years that they've been doing this. Um, we are okay moving
forward with this. The next one is the Lions Club is looking to have fall festival again this year on October 3rd uh along the sidewalks of Kings Highway. They are also asking for the full closure of Tanner Street again and are looking for the full use of King's Court for additional tables.
Um, as we spoke last year and and as I had met with them on multiple occasions and talked to them, there was concerns about giving them the whole of Tanner Street because when you do that, you in essence are stopping um access into the Allen Avenue parking lot because Allen
Avenue is one way out to Uklid. Uh, so we had to not allow parking on the street for that particular day to allow it to be a two-way street. Um, you then also have people on Wilkins that can't access their property from Tanner and
Styles has no in or out for the full day. Uh, and the businesses have no in or out for the full day. Um, my understanding is there was some concerns from the businesses uh along that street. Um, I had indicated to them that
we would be willing to do it up to Wilkins. Um, but they're asking for the full. So, I'm bringing that that to your attention to see how you would like to move forward with it. >> Chief, did you have any remember any
issues from the day? >> Did they actually use Did they actually use up beyond last? There was a little bit. There was just a tiny It's because they the crafters went beyond because they had vendors uh they had sponsors at
the beginning >> of Tanner. Um again, I'm not 100% sure what they want to use King's Court for. if they can move their sponsors to King's Court, then uh Renaissance Craftables has indicated that they're fine with the the length from Wilkins
from King's Highway to Wilkins, which is one of their money raisers for the project. >> They explore using mechanical. It seems to be more than >> they didn't mention it. mechanic we wouldn't want to use for crafters and
stuff because we always have to allow a um a fire lane. >> Okay. >> So the fire trucks can get down there and then you're kind of the streets too narrow to allow both. So that's why they us people usually use the parking lot
and um we keep the street even though the street's closed we keep the street without impediments so that park or the truck can get down if necessary. So let's say they didn't
take place to mechanic street park over >> you can't fit as many >> I don't think I think you can fit more on Tanner to Wilkins than you can in the mechanic street parking lot >> you know and this was in addition to u
the traditional sidewalk fall festival or fall fair not the fall festival um this is an adjustment Right. So if we only have to close it to Wilkins, that's what we're offering. And then, you know, they know it now. It's in October and
they have plenty of time to >> adjust, >> rightize the right size the the crafters court has done craft before. I mean, we're giving them the spaces and then they can fill it. So I I on the side of let's try this year to keep it at
Wilkins for the Wilkins residents who can't get out. Wilkins and the Styles residents and they're some of our affordable houses. So, >> what's Clement Street? >> Um, Clement actually the people on
Clement are their access is actually on mechanic out to Haden. >> Oh, great. >> So, they can just come out of their parking lot right there and get in onto Haden Avenue rather than come down Clement. Um and anybody coming down Clement would just be accessing the Clement Street parking lot. So that you
wouldn't we would have to indicate that there's no throughway on that street. Um so it's only a you know uh way. Um >> oh because of because of the parking lot. >> You plug a plastic bag over the
pass. I was going to say we do that on mechanic every time we close so pass from the other direction. >> Y >> and it's a circle so I mean it's it's easy enough to direct traffic. I think people drive both ways through that
class. >> Well out of that parking lot. >> Oh. >> Um so what do you want to do folks? >> They never make enough turns off for chest. >> I'm sorry. That's the only bit of compromise, right? Where everything else
I mean you have to consider to those residents. I think that seems reasonable to me. >> Yeah. I mean they they're King's Court is new. I mean I don't have an issue with them having King's Court for the day. Um and you know they they have the highway.
>> So >> I mean just sidewalks. >> Yeah. Just the sidewalks. Yeah. No, we're not closing the highway. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> I think that seems like a reasonable um compromise >> is it and it doesn't have to be coordinated with the
>> n farmers market because they bridge >> correct >> but I think this also starts later right I remember >> well it's snowing October October 3rd but the farmers market usually goes until October >> no I meant like farmers market finishes at one but Then this would start a
little I remember this running like past 3 4. Yeah. >> Yeah. But it starts in the morning. >> Oh, okay. Never mind. >> Yeah, it's an all day thing. >> Great. Works. >> Okay. Um we've also had the request for use of of space. The first is um
the historical society is doing a a program on New Jersey Constitution. Uh they'll be using this room on May 21st from 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. And Japanese Exchange is also looking to use it for July 17th from 3:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. and then also on July 20th from 9:00
a.m. to 12:00 p.m. On the 300 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. is the window we believe is because of the flight get coming in. This room is just going to be used for them to get here from the airport and then meet their families and and leave. So it's kind of just like a collection
point for everything. So that long window is in case there's any issues with the timing of the flight or any other issues. >> Those dates were July 17th and July 25th. So >> yes, correct. >> Okay. >> And you're bringing them to our
attention because of the length of time because of January. We kind of gave this as an administrative. >> It's just a it's just a kind of FYI that's all. >> Yeah. I had already approved the constitution. You know, originally I was asking for some more details, but Diana and I talked about it after I wrote this and I was like, "Okay, this should be fine."
>> Just circle back to Snowflake run. It got us thousand runners this year. >> Wow. >> So, it is a is is one of the last runs of the year. So, from a resource planning standpoint, uh everything went well. It's just it is a very large event.
>> Jason, he's looking at you. >> I'm sorry. >> It's a lot of part I'm I'm There's a call. I don't deal with it. Give me one second. >> Nope. You're fine. We'll move on. We'll come back to it. >> It was just an FYI. >> Okay. Um All right. Then we will put the
approval for those two events on as a resolution for the two events. The next item on the agenda is to talk about the 2026 budget. Um I handed out the packets to you this evening. So let me go through this briefly with you. Um the
first page let's put off to the side for right now. We'll go back to that. Then you have the revenues. This is showing all of our revenue. It's it's what the revenues have been for the past two years and what we are anticipating for 2026.
Most of the revenues you're only seeing minor changes up or down. Um where we could we increased revenues. We all we typically do not like to go to the maximum amount of what we've received because we want to be able to have some extra just to kind of to replenish the
surplus that we use each year. Um but we were able to increase some um for the parking meters, for interest on taxes, the fees and permits. Uh the
construction continues to go up each year. Um at some point in time we will hit a max on that and that'll start to come back down but we don't anticipate that anytime soon. Um we did have to reduce the medical assistance fees a little bit from last year. Um state aid
is is staying stagnant as far as we are aware. We have some grants and then we did ant we did increase uh delinquent taxes a little bit. What you're going to notice down the bottom and we'll point this out later is there is an increase to the amount we raised for library tax. That is a formula. We have no say over
how much that is. It's it's three ms per thousand I believe it is. Um and that is a number that the state tells us what that number should be. So then you'll go into each of the departments. Um
>> all right. Okay. Um, so Department of Public Safety, you um, we do have some things that we were able to decrease here, uh, based on adjustments. You'll see that the legal
went down. Part of that is because we moved the planning out and put it all under planner. Um, before af uh, the affordable housing planning used to be part of that budget. We've pulled that out since we have a planner budget now and put it in there. Um
the increase in HPCOE is based on the legal costs that we have and um and uh some the the professional lease and our and Lisa's budget. It's just making sure this was budgeted properly.
This wasn't all put in here last year. Um some of the legal was budgeted under the legal. We're just putting that the legal fees associated with HPC under HPC. >> I'm sorry. They were categorized under what last? >> Legal
>> under legal. >> So we're just when it's when it's legal costs for the H attending the HPC meetings, they should be charged to the HP.COE. That's all. So we're just putting where the budget the money was budgeted and moving it to the correct line.
Now, the HBCOE passed a ordinance change. >> We haven't yet. >> Oh, we haven't. >> We haven't yet. We're still working on that. >> Why was it previously included under legal, not his? >> Um, just because it's the burough
solister that was it >> doing. >> Yeah. So, it's just as we start to kind of clean things up as we go through as we're as as different positions do different things, we're starting to clean up where they are budgeted. So, so it makes a little more sense. >> I always break it out my invoices.
There's a whole separate section for HBC. So, it's >> Y >> exactly it. >> Sorry. >> Exactly. >> Okay. Uh your salary and wages obviously are going to go up um based on contracts
and the salary ordinance. Uh the firee is going up. We um have additional costs for some of the older equipment uh that we are increasing to help cover um the other increases. Oh, the municipal
court um in our agreement with them, there are outside services um that we are required to cover from time to time. So, it's not just the court, just the cost of the shared service with Somerdale. Um, so there
might be where a uh court interpreter is needed or something along that line. And so we have to have someplace to pay those bills. So that's what the that fee is for. >> And you're writing more tickets for Summerdale. >> According to Somerdale, we are.
>> Okay. >> Because we never budgeted for it. So the few times that we got it, we charged it someplace else. >> There should be might have been here for the supporter. >> It's only in the in the shared service. >> Oh, okay. >> So,
>> yep. Um, and because shared services are outside the cap, it's in a different location. So, you have to handle that differently. Um, okay. So, then you go over to revenue and finance. The change you see
in the public safety OE and the revenue of finance is solely moving the um conference of mayors membership from whoever was the mayor to whoever is the mayor. That's all that is. Other than that, the three of your budgets are exactly the same.
Um the huge decrease in municipal clerk office is the fact that we do not have an election right now. So that increase goes down. Um, some other >> It's should be on the back. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I got it. I think you got
it. >> Yep. >> The new the new contract. >> No, it just actually reflect. So, what we do is we budget money there. Um, animal control mostly gets paid between the animal control and the shelter services. They mostly get paid by the
animal fees. It depends on the collection of the animal fees. And so our budget our or that trust account is has enough funds that Alex felt comfortable that we could decrease this a little bit. >> Um okay, so you get down to the
insuranceances. This is where you're going to start to hit some of the big numbers. uh we had increases in in the insuranceances but the biggest increase was the employee medical benefits after years of having you know a very minor increase to a zero increase last year we
had a 9% and this year we had over a 13% increase in health benefit costs um you know with the fact that over the last two years a number of our single employees have also gotten married and now have families those costs also changed so that is why you see the
dramatic increase there of over 700,000 that is across the state. Um, many places are looking at increases over 20%. So, we've been relatively fortunate for years. Um, we will obviously talk to our
plan holders and see if there's any way we can start to mitigate that as we see those increases continue. Um, but that's where we are right now. Um, the telephone OE is increasing. Um what we found last year we had to transfer money into that as we as
technology changes and we have cameras and modems and all kinds of things all over the place now that was never accounted for in the telephone line. So we're trying to truly account for those costs instead of trying to deal with transfers at the end of the year when we don't realize we have costs. So there
unfortunately there's an increase in that line. Um >> the voiceover >> that we >> it's >> so perhaps >> not that we have to deal with this year but is that should that be called
something different than helpful if it's different kinds of techn or we call communication costs because that radio right there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, we can certainly change the name of it. Yeah, that's not a problem, >> right? Telephone.
Tell you what, those two commercial lines cost me 130 bucks a month just for two lines. It's crazy. >> Yeah. And it's it was Jason and I sat down at the end of the year. We were like, "What is all this?" Yeah. >> And we're like, what what what's going on? Because, you know, we knew we added
a few things here and there and then it was just like >> a little bit of a surprise how much was out there. Yeah. >> Um so we started pairing it all back that we may actually see an ability to reduce that a little bit next year. Um it's just trying to get a hold of all of it.
>> Right. >> Yeah. So we got we have this balance, >> right? Um so again most of that increase for that for you know the revenue and finance is taken up by the medical benefits. We go
to public works um engineering increased a little bit. We are just using those funds each year. Um that's for uh RNV to you know answer resident complaints and attend meetings um to go through you know to keep a
track on on projects. It's to do reviews and and research on different projects and things like that. Um that's not that's all the stuff that Doug and any of the other people in his office deal with for us that's not associated specifically to a project.
Um this increase you see in contribution for activities and celebrations that is to cover that still is 10,000 for celebrations. The rest of that is to cover our 250 costs um for a variety of things we have coming in that is being
offset by an increase in surplus. So that is not part of what's driving the tax increase. >> It's just a budget line increase. Correct. >> There probably should also be corresponding to increases revenue for those.
>> Yes. >> Yeah. That's any revenue that comes in will be put right back towards surplus to be able to just replenish what we got. Correct. As you go down streets, OE has increased um and and also some of the salary part
of that increase is the storms that we had. you know, we did not expect to be doing overtime for weeks on end as we had to this year. Um, so that's part of what this is. Um, >> wait, that's >> salary and wage and OA.
>> Oh, um, and then when you get to trash removal, that's the next big ticket item. This is a guess right now because as I said, we're going to be going out to bid again for trash. So, this is assuming
we know what we have until the end of August. And it's assuming a 50% increase on top of that for September on. We are hoping to based on some changes that we're going to talk about later tonight. We're hoping that
that will be a realistic number and it won't double which is what our previous provider had more than doubled when uh we took it in last time. What's happening with the tipping fees? It's
>> tipping fees >> increased a little bit, but but the recycling is not costing us right now. The the cost. So, what Frank's talking about is we had you'll see a decrease in tipping fees actually. Um, we had had to increase tipping fees
significantly a couple years ago. Yeah, two years ago because recycling was no longer being sold and so therefore we were being charged for it and once our contract ended that said you can only charge us $5 a ton now went up to those
first couple of months were like $130 a ton which was more than what we were paying for trash collection for our tipping fees for trash collection. So we had to budget based on that higher n or some number relatively close to that higher number for our recycling.
Fortunately the market has changed and they are able to sell some recycling and the cost of of the tipping fees when we are charged have have gone down to about $75 a ton. So that is below our
um trash tipping fees which I believe are at $93 a ton now. I believe 90 something. >> So $75 a time for recycling, 90% a time for trash. >> Yes, very close. Somewhere around there.
Um so you will see that a little further down. We were able to actually reduce that some um based on that adjustment, >> but it's going to but later on we'll talk about the adjustments that for the trash budget line.
>> Correct. one of the areas we >> Yes. Um, vehicle equipment and repairs, parts are costing more money and we have old equipment. We try and replace as much equipment as we can, but we still have old equipment. It has to be fixed.
This is everything from police cars to, you know, the work on the police cars to work on. The only thing this does not include is much of the work that's done by for the fire trucks that's in their own budget. you will see all of the utilities except
one are increased. Part of that's because we're going to have a brand new building coming on. Um we do not pay water and sewer for any of our buildings except the new one because we owned them all at the time of the
sale of the utility. Um there was an increase in fire hydro fees. we had to increase that fuel. We are hoping this number is good. This is a guess. Um we did not use the
full 150 last year. So that there therefore it's actually a larger increase than you see because we could have potentially reduced it. But based obviously on what's going on at the tank right now and the fact that diesel costs more than gas, um you know, we're still
getting diesel at a better rate than what's at the gas tank, but everything's still going up. >> What What is the major fire hydrants? >> It's a cost per fire hydrant that you
you get charged and we have hundreds of fire hydrants throughout town. Um it was part of their their rate increases and we just didn't catch it last year. >> Just for them maintenance or just >> maintain it or something like that. >> Yeah, it's basically Yeah,
>> flat. Some things are flat. >> Very few things are flat. >> Yeah. Well, when you can get to flat, so when you get to uh other unclassified out inside the cap, um the
most of those are flat with the exception of the two pension funds, which for a change are actually decreases. Those are actually pretty sizable increases that we have to adjust to. And this year, fortunately, we're seeing decreases in both of those. Um and then the shared service
agreements. These are the portions that we pay. The largest of which you'll see is that court increase. Um this is something that we're going to be having a conversation with Somerdale on because it is a little concerning because we
ensured that we switched to the um e tickets for all of our parking and for for other tickets. So the court no longer has to input all of those tickets in which used to be a sizable cost and time. Um and so there we were supposed
to they the way they formula they calculate the formula for all of the towns that participate in the shared services based off of a percentage that they receive from the visage. And um we were supposed to see a a a a
weighted change in our tickets because of the e tickets and we didn't and because they're writing more tickets our >> Yeah. And so >> yeah, >> is that what it was?
>> Yeah. So because they're writing more tickets now our costs go up. So unfortunately, >> but would we have to revisit our parking fees or our park and fine fees if uh this gets out of hand?
>> Yeah, we could because that is the parking fees are the one thing that do come to us. Um whereas most of the any any other moving violation or something only a portion of it comes to us and the rest goes to the state.
But yes, that is an option we could look at. Um then you go to the items that are outside the cap. This is debt service. Um you are seeing a decrease in debt service. Um that is you have last year we did
we did short-term notes twice. So you had interest payments twice last year and you also have a bond that is now coming off the rolls. Um the decrease in the capital projects
that was offset by revenue last year that was putting money for more money in the road program to help offset the future cost of Haden Avenue. Uh and as you'll see the public library is increasing $100,000. Let's ask a question on capital
projects. The the vehicle replacements that you or you know repairs, does that come out of capital budget? >> Yes, but not this one. This one this this $1 million was solely the road program. >> I see. Okay. >> I have the capital after we finish talking about the budget.
>> Yeah, this is this is something we switched to 20 years ago. We where we were trying to have a million dollars in cash to work on road programs. Um >> so we don't debt, >> right? Because because the issue is you could do your roads in debt service. The
problem is that ultimately the cost because of the interest on the bonds you're paying at least half a time half the time or the half the amount again based on the interest cost you're getting. >> You converted me. I was completely on
the other side of that and then we worked on the numbers. It's still cheaper to pay as a government. >> Yes. Yeah. I mean that number should be higher based on the fact that roads we've been doing this for 20 years and roads that we did 20 years ago are
starting to look bad and and and >> we still haven't gotten >> we haven't we have not gotten all the way through the town. I I have a lovely pretty map in my office that shows all the colors and stuff of the roads that we've done over the 20 years. Um, but
it's one of those things that and a number of years ago, one of the commissioners at the time, we were talking about there should be an escalation at some point. We've never hit the point where we can escalate that right now. Once we we were fortunate, we had uh extra sales, extra extra funds
from the sale of the utility that we were able to put towards us each year. So, we were able to do $2 million for 10 years, but that money ran out. And so now you're back to the original million dollars that we had budgeted um initially. And so you would have to willingly say we're going to increase
taxes to offset this. You're not getting as much done. Part of the problem here is that um because I think they've heard it before is what you they say roads are supposed to last 20 years, which they used to last 40 years or 50 years at times. The problem is the materials you're now
using within roads is not lasting as long because they're taking the oil out. So roads are not um as compacted and condensed as they used to be. So you're they now are more susceptible to the water and the freeze and all of that and and start to get cracks sooner and
earlier than they used to. So you're now seeing roads that 15 years have gone by that are starting to show cracks. Um there's material out there we looked at last year, but it is not allowable in New Jersey yet. They actually are taking
Kevlar and making it into little beads and mixing it in with the asphalt when they mix it at the plant. And from what we are told, that actually makes it like so that it can't come apart. If that's ever allowable, it's
definitely something you want to look at doing and implementing. We tried to include it last year in the bids for the roads um saying in the bids that we would supply it but none of the plants would agree to that and so we couldn't try it out
fortunately. It's allowed in Pennsylvania. It's not allowed here yet. >> And what that would do is that the PSO process that we do here longterm specs when you cut down 12 to 18 inches in the ground we're covering up and kind of started there with a stronger foundation.
That'll allow you to do more or less like a mill overlay where you're just stripping the top off and putting it back that asphalt with the u with the kevlar in there about to basically you know kind of expand and contract and stuff like that better than traditional
asphalt but again you can't do it with New Jersey but yeah I think it's something that we should keep our eye on and yeah trying to >> and there's a lobby effort >> well it's one of those things. DOT has to approve it. We're not allowed to make any changes until DOT has approved it.
And DOT hasn't had time to review it and approve it yet. So, it could be something we could bring it up on Wednesday and and hope that they uh take a look at it sooner rather than later. Um,
>> Wednesday. No, it's it's it's local. >> Oh, gross. You don't have to drop it. >> Yeah, it's it's a winery the other side of >> Okay. Um so that
that is a rough expl then the rest of that's what's on that page is the grants that will adjust as we have um go through our books and determine if we have any money we received last year that we didn't budget that that will also then go on there. Um but those grants are are offset by revenue coming
in. So there's no actual increase to the budget. So even though the budget looks like it's down $320,000, that is because the grant number is down significantly compared to last year. >> No police station.
>> Yes. No police station revenue coming in. Um, your amount to be raised if you're dealing with just the municipal and not the library is roughly
was it $800,000. Um, so then you go back to this sheet. >> This talks the impact. The very first column is last year's budget. The second column I always like to show you because that's if we were using this budget with last year's
ratable. We do have the benefit of the fact that any new construction that is approved and put on the books for January 1st of the year, we get to um take that increase in assessment, that new number. Um and so you will see that
there is a difference between the third column and the second column and that's solely on that change in assessment. Um, so when you go down to the bottom, we're still working with an average of 535 743. That is probably wrong at this
point in time and we can certainly change that before introduction, but um, B using that same number comparing um, what this year's increase is, we're looking at $200 for that household. If we were
using last year's assessment, that would be 237. It is 3.73 cents uh increase per $100 is the increase we
are looking at. >> So I need to know what I need you guys to think about is how you feel about that. What if you feel there needs to still be further adjustments um and then we can go back and look to see whether we can accomplish those adjustments. Um
it again many of the increases are not things within our control. And so what depending on how drastic of a decrease you would want um if you potentially wanted a a drastic decrease then that
would have to start to affect services. worried about the gas assumption that we have in here that it's not enough especially if diesel stays as high as it is. Uh I also think
let's see that's such a from a maintenance repair standpoint >> especially since our capital we did have a bond all off it there has to be a tipping point at some point valuation of our vehicles to see if the
repair is getting too expensive >> or looking at a different repair shop for some of the work and actually out been for that. Um it seems that you know we have repeat we have repeat offenders of vehicles you know that go back to the shop because
they're getting older. So we'd have to look and see about >> So interestingly um Phil and I had a conversation this afternoon. One of the things that uh we are looking at is we're going to be changing GPS providers for our vehicles because all of our vehicles have GPS on
them. Um, we're going to be changing the provider. The provider, there's a increase in the fee for the product that gets installed in the vehicle that actually gives us maintenance notifications, >> which is something that will be
beneficial. Um, the one of the key things benefits that it'll be is especially for the public works diesel equipment, we have a lot of problems with the EDF. Um, and we don't run our vehicles on a highway often enough. And
so that all builds up. This actually has an indicator in there where you can pull it up and look at it and it'll tell you the percentage that has built up. So he showed me a sample because we were using a free one right now on one of our trucks and showed me the sample where we were at 15%. So, you know, if you start
to get up to 45 or 50%, take it out, run it up and down 295 for a little bit, bring it back. That >> it gets hot enough. >> It gets hot enough that it burns off that soot and uh um because that's some of the problems. But so other things that he told me, what it does is, for
example, um if a police car gets a a light that pops up saying, you know, you've you've got an issue, it'll tell you what the issue is, so you can know whether you can keep driving it and just have to order the parts to fix it or you need to take it off the road right away. Um
so we were talking about and he's going to check with them. What I'm hoping they also do, because I know there's some out there that do this, is allow you to input the improvements you're doing to the vehicle. So, all your maintenance records actually get uploaded into it. This vehicle had So, we can run a report
and say and do just that. have, you know, we have this vehicle and it's been um, you know, it's been fixed five times and that's either either the equipment is not being used properly and then you
look into that or it's just too old and that the repairs are not lasting and it's no point you need to replace the vehicle. So, that's one thing he's still looking in to see whether or not that covers that. But, we are trying to address that. Um we have addressed with some of our
personnel. We have policies in both police department and public works where um when equipment gets damaged for unreasonable reasons um then there is a um
>> yes thank you >> a discipline component added to that. >> We should discourage >> Yes. Um, right. So, if we didn't want to do this, where would we actually cut?
>> Um, >> like a menu of options would be good to consider. >> It depends on how much you want to cut. I mean, that's it's it's kind of like where do you want that number to be? That's kind of what I need to know
because then it's a matter of, you know, is it something where I can just take a little here, a little there? So it's not really felt as much in any one place or is it a number that you want that in half >> and then we have to figure out how to make that number
answer. It's not a dramatic number. Like I think the number is is fine, but >> I'm asking more in terms of uh considering our options. Like if we had to make a trade-off decision >> and say, you know, we're willing to compromise on these things and therefore
reduce the numbers. >> How would we do that? >> I can come I come up with a list for you on some things >> if they're like reasonable and quick wins. No. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I I'm not sure I can give
that to you right off the top of my head here because, you know, some of these I'd have to go back. I mean, I'm sure there's some things in there. But here's But here's what I'm going to just caution. Part of it is the concern we have is that something is
going to increase beyond our expectations that we're not aware of. It does every time or we get expenses we don't anticipate. um and fees c, you know, things something costs more and or we're paying a bill we weren't expecting to pay and at the end of the year we're always having to do transfers. We try
and build a budget so that that's limited. In the past couple of years, we're seeing more and more transfers because we start to make these budgets more and more narrow to where salaries are almost, you know, to the penny on what people are making. So there's no
oops if something happens. Um, so it's it's one of those things that we could look to do cuts, but then the concern is what happens in November, you know, if are we going to have something because the impact of having to do an emergency
that hits you twice because you have to if you do an emergency at the end of the year, if you go through a budget and you don't have money to transfer, so you have to do what's called an emergency resolution, funding resolution. What happens then is on your financial documents for the next
year when you send it up to the state, they are going to make you reduce your surplus by that amount of the emergency. So that's no longer available. Your surplus is decreases. That's not such a big deal. They're going to make you budget that money and raise it again.
So you kind you kind of get hit twice there with that. >> Also, I'm not suggesting we don't >> I understand. I'm just putting that out there. >> Yeah. something will get neglected and that will catch up with you down the line. Like that's, >> you know, um it's more from a a data
driven decision and we might just come back and say, "We thought about this. We looked at the trade-offs and we were not want to compromise on losing this service or that service. We're compromising on salaries. Therefore, we're going to push ahead with this." So, it's more to >> Yep. >> justified the committee thing. >> Yep. And the other the other lever we
have throughout the year is to keep track of usage usage based expenditures that we are incurring based off of the usage. But good case in point is the one that we're working on now of making that someone who goes to the historic
preservation commission and then they argue or they don't like the result of that they then have to pay to refile to go to the planning court. uh where we were eating the cost on the legal side. So that that's a that's a
it's an O and E u cost for us that their usage cost us money. U we put it back as part of their decision process. That's why I just raised the thing. If if court cost because of ticket writing, we have
to look at then the cost of our parking fees. Not fees, fines. Like our our fees are fine. It's our fines. No, our >> fees are fine. But our fines are what are
incurring the costs. So if the fines can then cover the cost then it's that's a usage based cost blow reclaim by decisions we can make throughout the years. That's another area to watch. Same thing with with gas. They're always watching the price of gas and trying to buy that's like rolling
the dice. Anybody who had to have that last fill up over the last month of oil at their house. They realized they played a game and many people lost including my friend Chris. You know he's like I could have got it at 390. Now you had to buy it at 512 because he wants to
take a because his wife was still cold last week, right? And he had to turn the heat on. They don't give you a half a fill. They give you a full fill. So you play that and we play that same roulette whenever we fill the tanks down at public works. >> Um well I was going to say I'm hoping
one of the things I see happen is so reviewing the master plan and some of the changes. I I have an educated guess a hypothesis that if we make some change that we will that would be an increased revenue stream a lot of effort for the bur
>> right >> so I think that >> you know I I that's why I'm trying to understand some of these things like what what else can we do that >> you know that people want to do anyway they just don't want to pay me a force so therefore they'll never pay it but if they're paying $300 instead of $2,000
they'll go ahead and do it right that would be, you know, just >> returns than Tampa, I hope. >> But to your point on the court, we were able to re raise the revenue $10,000, but our expenses were increased 20.
>> Right. Exactly. So, >> you know, we're enforcing something that's costing us even more. So, >> right, >> there's I'm not saying charge autobond prices, but >> Right. >> All right. Let me come up with a list of possible changes for you.
and we'll talk about it next month. >> Good work on the budget. Yes. >> Oh, um just so for capital since we are going to talk about budget next month, I'm just going to walk through and explain the papers that I provided you with and then we'll actually have a in-depth conversation at the next work
session on what you want and what you don't want. Um so you have three sheets. I apologize for the >> both of you. >> Huh? Yeah. Um I apologize because one of the sheets has very little information on it and if id realized I just cut
would have cut a year off but um so this is our new program that we're using for capital. Um stop. Uh so you have one that's listed projects by funding source. Um, so funding sources either existing capital
that we've already authorized, um, grants, new capital, or our reserve for roads, which is that million dollar fund that we budget every year. So, this is what that one looks like. So, this is only 2006 requests. Um, this
is what their requests are. We'll have to go through and decide what we are and aren't going to agree to. Um I know Frank, you and I talked about some things that we may be switching around on here anyway. Um um but then the other
two sheets that you have gives you long-term projections from 2026 to 2030. So you can see things that are coming in the future that we are already aware of. So on the sheet when it says grants up here, I'm trying to use purple. >> That's money that we have already
received to help pay for that. So the project of if you look at here, when you look at Mount Law, which is the second one on there, the total cost for Mount Law is actually 52165. >> Oh. >> Oh, I see. >> Oh, you're looking at the streets.
>> Yeah. Well, it's just it's he was asking about the grant. >> The grant we received was for 195 928. >> See? And then this broke out well different sources I'm guessing. Okay. >> Yep. >> I'm reading
>> um so one of the things I just want to point out on here is one of the requests is for a motor that is the motor for the chipper. We typically have three chippers. We have one that is for um the tree crew and it's used all the time uh when the tree crew is doing trimmings or
takedowns or anything like that. It's heavily used. Um we have another one that we have for when we do our chipping cleanup. So that's when we go out once a once a week or every month uh and do and do chipping. Um all of our chippers are
down but one. We are renting one right now. Um, what Bill and I talked about this afternoon is the fact that a new chipper is 135,000.
Um, I think it's actually maybe up a little more even from that. It might be 155 now. Um, that is for a chipper like the tree crew needs. That's for something that's 20 that accepts something that's 20 inches
across. They have a smaller one that's only 12 inches across. We're looking to potenti So the motor that's in this year is to get another chipper up and running so that we have another chipper. We have a second one. >> Yeah, that's just for the motor. That'll get that up and that'll be another
20inch one. Um, we >> So I mean that's like that's just the motor itself and then there's a flange connection that goes to the timber. >> Correct. >> Can we just let the motor out to get like rewound or No,
>> I'll talk to him about that uh and see if he's gotten a price for that. I think they were looking to just drop a new motor in. Um, but I'll talk to him. >> Another one out as a backup. Sometimes that's I worked in the industrial air
compressor division for years. We used to do that all. >> I'll talk to him about and check it out. Um so what we're looking to do is is to get another 20-inch one up. Again, you do want to have two of those larger ones for when we do have storm problems and
we have trees go down. Um but what we're talking about is the one that we would purchase next year would actually potentially purchase next year would actually be a smaller one. would be one of the 12 in. And he's going to check the price for that. That should reduce that cost hopefully significantly. Um,
>> so that's for Yeah. for the Mhm. >> And our requirement for homeowners is six, six inches. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yeah. So when we're doing just chipping the weekly chip, you know, the monthly chipping, there's no reason we
can't use one of the smaller ones. And if for some reason that breaks, then we just go back to the bigger one. But this way, we're not there's we don't think there's a reason to buy another 20-inch one right now
for the constant day-to-day use. It's that look for what you're going to see when you start to look at equipment for public works. It's all expensive, you know. And one of the things because one of the things that you'll see to it at some point in time. I mean, we just got a tree a brand new tree truck just came in and we had to send it back two
hours after we used it because it has a bent boom and the basket doesn't sit right. And they're trying to tell us it's okay. And we're like, "Nope, it's not. not nice. Anyway, um one of the things that will
change in future years on uh public works equipment, one of the things that we have talked about and have planned is right now when we do leaf pickup, it is a leaf box that is now custom made for
the size that we get running 80 to $100,000 because it's custom made now. It started off $35,000 not too many years ago. Um and a dump truck which is $400 to $450,000
to pick up leaves six weeks and then a couple of times in April. Now we use a dump truck periodically for some other things. There are certain places in town it's it's easier to use them to spread salt than obviously pickup trucks um things like that. So you would always want to keep one or two. We don't need
six. Um, and Frank knows this because he's heard me. We've gone round and round for years trying to figure out how to change that. Um, because the cost of that for leaf pickup is ridiculous. So, one of the things we're looking at doing is switching to in the year that the
next dump truck is required that year instead switching to all new leafers with pickup trucks. we could replenish our stock in smaller leafers and pickup trucks for basically the cost of the dump truck. >> And so what we would do is then sell the
used equipment. Um, what that requires us to do though when we're doing leaf pickup is to have a person that is solely at Crows Woods taking leaves that are being dumped there, putting them in the rolloff truck and move taking the rolloff truck um to dump the leaves
because the smaller boxes, they would be wasting too much time going back and forth wherever they drop the leaves off. So, switch to something, rearrange how we do it. Um >> I'm just laughing because then that big truck could then get on the highway and burn off their >> Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, think
about all the dump trucks that don't ever burn off the >> They never leave the town. >> Yeah. >> And you make it sounds like it's not a big deal. Maybe it's not. But I I also think that the smart trucks you don't need to have people have CDL either. >> They're just getting harder and harder to get and
>> correct. >> So, you know, you have a few people have CDLAS. The other thing could just be I guess there's >> Yeah. And if it's a pickup truck, you honestly don't even need a CDL. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So it's easier to easier to train and a
lot of harvesting. >> Yeah. So that's something that's coming in the sorry something that's coming in the future. Um but that's just it's something we're always looking at because these costs these costs drive me crazy. And will we also think about getting
more stuff person? >> He has one on the list. I think we switch to the smaller um smaller fleet first and get that running and operating first before we buy a second one of those. I mean, I think it's really
great. I don't think it replaces a whole unit. So, I don't think we're able to use that instead of a dump truck and a leafer necessarily. So, I don't think it has quite the capacity for that. >> Um
because that's almost just as expensive, too. That's 300,000 compared to the 450 500. >> Are you looking for opinion on things there? >> No, you can I I would have sent Oh, >> yeah. I mean that look that's gonna be
something we're gonna have to do. >> Yeah. No, I we tried we really tried to get them to work. >> Yeah. They just don't. >> Yeah. No, I think you guys this is this is going to be a discussion where we're going to have to kind of sit down and figure out what that bottom number is
you're going to be willing to do because at some point in time that bottom number is going to become debt service. >> Yep. Um, and so, you know, all of this stuff I could come up with an absolute um, solid reason as to why and and why it has to happen. Um, you know, and some
of these things may bounce around. Uh, there's demolition of three properties that we're going to have to do right now. I have that pushed to next year. Um, I'm get trying to get pricing on those right now. >> And that at this time, we're in April already. That would probably be next year
>> hopefully. I have the insurance company is still pushing us a little bit. So I may have to um they may put a deadline on when that happens to ensure that it happens >> while it's not toward death if you make any revenue by lending it out for >> we're not allowed to with the settlement
>> police training stuff. I'm talking about that. >> No, no, not renting it out. I'm talking about renting it out for for fire and for police stuff. >> We typically don't charge for that kind of services. we just kind of like all chip in.
>> Be a reason to keep them standing until 27. >> Yeah. Again, I'm going to have to wait and see what the insurance company comes back with. So, I got that call last week. >> Anyway, okay. >> Control burn. You want to control?
>> No, I don't know about save on the demo. talking and Jennifer control her >> and I don't know if >> I have a few surprises >> and I don't know if the if you guys are aware or not or if I brought this up before that fourth house is was sold to
me and is somebody's living in it >> 12 Lafayette model >> 12 L was >> that was subject to lawsuits and tax appeals and it was valless >> state uh Anyway, so take a look at if you have any
questions, please let me know um between now and and next month. I'll be happy to answer any of the questions that you have. Okay, moving on. We have two ordinances for the fire folks. Um the first one is looking to adjust
fees. And again, this is one of those things where you talk about the services being offset. This is one of those situations. We currently spend more than we bring in. Um, so this will assist with that. And I believe Ernie went and did a comparison of other communities and stuff which is based on why this is
he's recommending this increase. So this is services that are required um inspections that are required by the state and uh they fall to us so that the revenue comes to us otherwise the state
would be requiring it. So in essence what he's looking to do is he put he put he times everything by 0.25 25 up at the top. So you're looking at it's not a relatively large increase, but so a one
to three unit uh inspire inspection for one to three residential units instead of being $50 would now be $62 if you implement this increase. And the increase for the fire inspection on a sale of a
property. He's recommending changing from $45 if it's made 10 days prior to the change to $56 and each of those goes up subsequently if you're closer than 10 days. >> And that's still earning.
>> But does this make us full? Does this increase make us full? >> I am not 100% sure about that. I did not do the calculation to figure that out. I I don't know how much of each of these we collect. I'd have to get the details from them and work it out,
but I believe it'll be much closer. >> And the read as a charge $10, I believe. I don't see a reinspection. Might be right, but I'm just skimming it. Any questions on this? >> Are we okay moving forward with it? Yep.
>> All right. The next one they've requested is a outdoor and open burn regulation ordinance. our fire official went through and and obtained the samples from the state and surrounding communities and we put it
together uh for you for a for our code. Couple minor changes. See in the definitions um they picked up that they're calling everything fire official which is what his terminology is here for us and in here under that it's fire marshall. So that'll be
changed to fire official. It even says fire official. >> Yeah. Yeah. So that's just that's something it's it doesn't match the definition or the word doesn't match what's used in the ordinance. So we'll just change it to fire official.
>> I guess what specifically this is there was an incident where they were called out for a uh for a fire and the resident was less than happy that you know >> private property. You know I have my
rights etc. etc., etc. So, this doesn't I mean, if you're doing everything on the up, this is all self-explanatory. >> For those of you in the audience here, I mean, it still allows you to have fire pits, the uh what are they called? The uh you know, portable uh you know, pits,
chipas, like all that sort of stuff out there. It's just >> making sure that you're not using construction material >> uh you know, I think it's treated with chemicals, etc., etc. So, it's just would be to wood. And if it was basic
or it also gives us the ability during code orange or red which is what we did last the sky was yellow it shouldn't have been this >> what does the violation of this look like?
>> What what does a violation look like? Uh, it's really what you're asking. >> So, what somebody's doing wrong? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, what somebody's doing wrong, for example, is they decide to Sorry, Pat, but they decide, >> she knows what I'm asking. >> Yeah. They decide to have a fire um
under the eaves of their house and they're just throwing stuff on it and the fire, it becomes a bonfire. Next thing you know, your house could catch on fire. That's not allowed. >> Put bonfires on your phone. We found out people trash people today
such as today. There's no ordinance books to enforce something for that other bar ordinances through the state. >> So the regulations in here also you can't have it too close to your neighbor's property. It can't be near combustible. It has to be within 15 ft
or 15 ft away from a combustible, anything combustible, your own property. You're only allowed to to it very specifically in here states you're only allowed to do clean wood. Um you're not allowed to do refuge. You're not allowed to do number of other items. Um leaves,
you can't do leaves. um those kinds of things to making sure that people because I I will tell you even the code that we currently have on and I forget exactly which section it is but we had a resident a number of years ago that came
and would complain about people the way they stored their wood >> and you know and that and just even when they would burn wood that it was not necess it was toxic you know it was toxic to the air and you know somebody
living next door had a problem breathing that air then we've had a number of residents over time have issues with burning outside >> they had the emergence what particulate killsgmail.com >> my son brokenhearted chief used to have
the last day of school bonfire the burn all their homework >> oh okay >> I mean it was a popular thing with their friends sitting on school bags shake them into the fire pit. But what it does is that as ember's flying everywhere.
>> Are you sure you want to admit this? >> I mean, it sort of has a very small, very plain burn that drifted into the uh the you know garage and then it caused uh materials in there that were you know that had oils and gases and stuff like
that on there and burn the other portions attached. But it was a a major fire in the garage. >> That was part of a bonfire as well. Right. >> This also indicates then that anybody who has something like that occur,
they're liable for their for the for the damages. >> You said something, I'm not sure I caught it. You said otherwise they don't come out, right? Like who comes out to like force >> for the statute for state provision?
under D it's the uh New Jersey state forest fire service they would have to kind of talk to the issue of we don't have the jurisd but this is bar or red flag base issue
>> but what Sharon is saying unless we pass this and then we could enforce it >> correct correct >> a guidance >> correct >> no less than 50 Fil says any person >> well and then it says the violation
shall pay the costs which may include all direct expenses and indirect what happen >> again a usage based thing so that the all the taxpayers aren't paying for decision. >> Any other questions?
Wait, then why does it why doesn't it apply to bonfires? Then under applicability number uh 115-2 item D. >> This article does not apply is because aren't bonfires under another classification? >> They are, but they're also considered.
>> Oh, and we can get called out quite often. When we get there, if it's a small chimney or something that's within a reasonable We're not taking action, but see that there's shingles in there
and pallets other things. This just gives the leverage to kind of be able to do something more consider something. >> Thank you. >> We should have rever.
Okay. Are we good to go forward with this? >> Yes. Okay. Moving right along. Other ordinance changes. Um, so this is one is for there's a couple things that you have next for the next one. This is sidewalks. We're going to talk about
sidewalks because there were a couple of minor things that needed to be addressed in the regular sidewalk ordinance. Names that were incorrect that we needed to to add um that we needed to change. And then uh
also if they fail, we have two kinds of sidewalk inspections. We have sidewalk we most of our 98% of our sidewalk inspections are handled with the sale of a property. um that is a sidewalk inspection is then required. That's the second half of this ordinance. Um
there's a clause in there that if the house has to go to settlement before and the weather's bad that they then have to put escrow money in so the work can be done after the sale. Um, if we go out and inspect a property because somebody
has complained or because somebody has driven by and seen something and wants us to go out and inspect it, we send a letter and ask them to fix it. There's we're very limited in the enforcement of that. Um, and so what it
states, and this is based on what the state has put out there, and I've provided that to you, is that we have to if if they won't do the work when we've asked them to, we can, and then we put a lean on their property. So, all I'm recommending for that section is just to put it the way that the state states it.
Um, you also I also included in that the state references the the laws explaining um collection enforcement installation errors and immaterial um so that you see
exactly where I got that. But I also provided you is for the second part of that conversation is we were talking about snow removal and you wanted me to get some information and stuff for you. So what I did is NJSA4065-12 talks about removal of grassed snow and
ice a procedure upon failure. Um one of the items that we had been talking about was possibly changing the 18 hours after a snowfall in the downtown area to try and make it sooner. Well, if I don't I don't think changing that is going to help us because when you look at what
the state allows, it says within 12 hours of daylight after the same shall fall or be formed thereon. I'm not sure that's any shorter than 18 hours. So it's like what's the point of changing it? Um and
so what they say is that you you know again if people don't do it then the governing body shall examine certificate and if it is found to be that's the summing the money. Um, and the amount so charged shall thereupon become a lean and a tax upon the real estate and be added to and be
part of the taxes next to be levied and assessed thereon and enforced and collected with interest by the same officers in the same manner as other taxes. So that means it goes to tax sale. >> Does it go to tax sale? Because the way you just read it, it sounded like it goes on your next quarter tax bill. >> Yeah, I don't think we can do that.
>> I don't think you can do that. >> Yeah, I So I think what it does is you put a lean on and it gets a tax sale. I mean, you can send it out to them and and bill it that way, but they don't pay it, they're you're going to end up on sack sale. So, um, then what I did because just because we it was all
there, I just then also further gave you the stuff because there was comments. What we do is we politely ask our residents to clean around the fire hydrants. There's the state regulations on what you can and can't do with that. And then the last thing was you are allowed to create a snow a volunteer
snow removal program. um that is specifically for um a senior or disabled person. Um somebody needs to then oversee those people with volunteers. Um so I'm not really sure if
you want to do have one formally set one of those up or not. And then I provided you the comparisons of the time frame, the responsible party uh and any enforcement. Interestingly enough, some of these do try and do port enforcement, although I don't know how
they're allowed to when they have it in their code, but state law generally is the guidelines. I'm not sure how they really do that. My guess is they probably don't. Um, and then the actual wording from each of those communities so that we could have a lovely
conversation. So on the um volunteer snow removals programs, I'll be honest, I am kind of interested in that. Came up a lot during um the senior citizen commission meetings this past winter. >> There were a handful of residents, granted not a ton, handful who uh
messaged Maple K asking for support. And I think what Sher's looking for is uh like if we just maintain a list of potential volunteers based on neighborhood who would be willing to go shovel someone's um like a senior's
area. I can talk to Terry about like what oversight of that would look like. Okay. >> Yeah. Maybe what we could do, not actually formally do something on the books, but just kind of have an informal program where we put out a request saying, you know, this winter, you know,
do it closer to the winter time and say, "Hey, you know, we have some seniors and disabled folks in town that need some assistance. If anybody is willing to, you know, be a designated helper in your neighborhood, can you please sign up here?" And and then Sher has a list and
if people if seniors call her maybe or call Mabel K she can direct these people to go out and help them. That feels like a lightweight way to yeah start off like test the waters and if it goes well then maybe we professional it right the next >> the problem is if we don't get any
volunteers >> the one of the avenues for volunteers it'll you have to talk to the school principal to dip in the service hour need of the students so you can imagine service hours with that as a volunteer
way again it's volunteer right so They either choose to go to service hours that way or not. Um Sherry has a very good avenue of service hour opportunities with the label K anyway. >> Right. >> That is one um you know when Chief
Gorman uh lived right next to me, he would often do my side of the sidewalk which I was very grateful like but he had like a fancy device. So you know maybe those who you know have access to that and would be willing to just go a few more houses. I don't know. I think it could
be very helpful if we can start a program like that. >> I do. >> Do you also have a fancy device? >> Yeah, >> that's why I just have like the M >> in snowball. It's fun.
>> Yeah, my husband does probably six. >> Hey, David. >> Um, so that of all the the topics on this, I would be very interested in pursuing that. So maybe what we look to do is try and set something up come wintertime, something informal like what
we just talked about. You know, kind of have a place where we just say we send something out saying, you know, as as the snow season comes, our senior citizen center is, you know, taking a list of volunteer names so that we can match you up with, you know, seniors and disabled within your neighborhood that
may need assistance if you're able to. Um well I was going to go back to side. All right. Um so just do you remember that incident where someone tripped fell
down my first like a month or something like that. I went with like ruler to kind of I think I towed up all the half inch and above was like a wrapped in a lot you know. So I mean half inch is is
not much, you know, like is that is that setting too high for too high of a standard town for probably every single sidewalk in front of every single house is probably out of compliance by more than a half inch. >> Well, the requirement is actually a
quarter. >> Well, yeah, the state Republic's quarter inch. >> Yeah. Yeah. We based that off of the states and we thought trying to enforce a quarter of an inch within the residential would be difficult when we when we changed this when we added that you needed to do it when we did the sale
of a house >> and is that sale houses are really half inch >> I I would have to I'm sure that's what they're supposed to be following >> and when you repair it has to be half inch
>> lower than a half lower than Yeah, >> my issue was the the non real estate sale inspection process. Aren't the branch managers actually report the sidewalk things? >> So, the the thing for me, there's the
there's the lip half inch, then there's the gap between slabs that that widen up to the point where like dog falls go in. So I get complaints where people like their dolls feet stuck in between sideborn slabs. >> So
>> that's not addressed here at all. >> So two things. Um we do very little other than sales because we have so much sale work going on. So, we used to have a sidewalk inspector position that was 10 to 15
hours a week. Um, who would walk around through the town once a year. Problem was only 25% of those people would actually that got a letter would actually do anything. So, then we changed the ordinance so that it was upon sale of the house and
then we started getting sidewalk actually fixed. Well, it that was the beginning of like the mass sales. We were having over 500 sales a year in town. So 500 sales a year, you're getting through a lot of town all of a sudden with the sidewalk inspections. Um
now it's done by our zoning officer. Um and so we eliminated the sidewalk inspector position in that office. Um so we don't we it's more upon complaints and stuff that we go out and do the non
sale inspections. >> Yes. But the one thing that's not called out. >> Yeah. No, no. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. I put that down. >> The gathering even inspection of sale. >> Yeah. >> Or could >> since our code officer is going down
here to do any inspection of occupancy, you know, certificates of occup while they're out there. >> No, he's he's got >> he's got so many inspections. He's he's busy in the house and then he's on to the next one. >> Yeah. No, no, that's fine. Yeah. I'm
just curious because maybe it was the sidewalk inspector. I'm going by me. Never claw actually show up. >> It was a sidewalk inspector. Yeah. They And yeah, they would they would go out and they would make notes and stuff would >> Right. you get a hire and you move. >> Yeah. And that's what most people did,
unfortunately. Um I will talk to them about what we might be able to change for the gaps um and see if there's a way that we can adjust that. >> I'll be honest, so selfish. I don't play sand and fill it once a month. Then
we just wash out. >> Yeah. I'll look to see what is out there to see if we can figure out how to fix that. finally sold. >> There you go. >> I was going to say and there for a while
they were were allowed to just do a ramp instead of actually walk >> the sidewalk itself. >> Yeah. The other thing too, we tried to make sure that bricks got dressed here, dealt with here, too. Bricks are the biggest problem we have. Um I'm not sure those are addressed as
much as they should be, but >> go ahead. >> Well, guess if someone uh it is federal property that the the resident was not maintaining.
>> I guess I have a little bit of a hard problem, but I'm also having to pay for them to do that. it. So, permits are permits are just a user fee. It's the inspector's time to the to do the paperwork and to go out and do the
inspection. >> That's all it is. But if we didn't inspect them and require it, then they wouldn't do it. >> Yeah. >> So, all you're doing is trying to And
it's I think it's like $25 that we got. >> Yeah. So, it's it's one and I'm that's actually one that I'm not looking to increase, but it's it's that's all it is is to handle the paperwork and go out and inspect. Any other comments on the sidewalk?
Any further conversations you want to have on snow? >> Okay, moving on. >> Thank you. >> Yep. All right. Next thing. Um,
okay. 135. This is addressing again just a couple of minor things. Frank's talked earlier and later on I just give you an update on the master plan changes and stuff coming. Um, this is not them. This is just trying to clean up a few small
things that have been coming to our attention and we've been dealing with rather than wait for the larger master plan and it get confused in with that. We're just looking to do a couple of cleanups here. Now, um so one of those items is
135-32R7 residential district is the height requirements. When we did back in 2019 a major overhaul of our land use, um we changed the wording in all of the heights sections. Uh and most of them
except one, we decreased the allowable height. For some reason in R seven when the ordinance was done, we missed it. So instead of it being 33 and a half feet like it was supposed to be, it still stayed at 35. the language got changed
just not the height got changed. Um so this is correcting that. Um one of the other changes what we're looking to do is 13596 under the fence regulations. It talks about where a fence can be put. One of the issues
we're having is they're doing it like right on the lines which causes issues. So this is just clarifying it that they must be installed within the lot lines >> and it doesn't change the backtoback fence. >> Correct. That doesn't change that. >> No, this is just saying this is just a clarification that's supposed to be on
your property, not on the line. >> Completely on your property. >> Posts and all. >> Correct. >> But if your neighbor is cool with it, >> really? >> Yeah. It's not supposed to be on the line >> because your neighbor isn't always going to be your neighbor. >> Yeah.
>> Good point. Point. >> Yeah. Um the next one is is looking under fees for professional services. This is just an adjustment based on um >> okay isn't >> just like we're going to the different
heights u throughout the bird and some make sense and like some like some kind of don't like so like R9 was >> 32 >> and R seven make 33 and a half except
for like a couple houses there's nothing that mon so what was the foundation some higher but They're obvious, but I guess >> now now I got to go back and pull the stuff from 2019 because I don't remember. >> Yeah. I mean, but there must have been >> there was there was
>> there was there was there was logic behind the size of the buildings within the parcels. Um, I'll have to go back and and pull the documents because that was that ordinance change addressed
a large number of items back then. But let me go back and pull all my notes from that and see what the what the issue was. Why? >> Because I'm not I think it should be scaled back just knowing that neighborhood, but I'm not sure if 33 and a half is right or third.
>> I don't care whichever one you guys want to do it. I mean that >> by the diligence of the president that brought this to our attention. Yeah. And >> to to me R seven looks a lot like R. Well, so it's so R2 to R six is 33 and a
half. Makes >> sense. >> R8 and R9 is 32. >> And in between >> our R our seven was 35. So >> yeah, >> if if you don't want it 33 and a half and you want it 32, fine. I' I' I'd have
to go back and pull all the documents to figure out what it was. And I just don't remember from 2019. >> And you know the reason for it is the resident who brought it up does have >> you know a a long tenure with planning
to open his wealth and >> and was involved in this >> and you know he he was one brought the hype and >> yep. >> So I don't really have a reason to disagree. >> I don't care which one it is. really doesn't matter to me which one it is
>> as long as it's fixed for 35, >> right? I don't care if it's 32 or 33 and a half. >> I go with I'm either go with >> I don't care. >> I don't care 32. That's fine, too. The only thing I would think of the
difference between 32 and 33 and a half is the prevalence basement. So, if you have a basement, be okay with 32. you have no ability for a basement that 33 car makes more sense. >> I'm not sure that had anything to do
with it at the time. I I'm trying I just >> Yeah, I just honestly >> the mean of the calculation >> it might have been >> would even put that elevated Yeah. So I think that knowing some of the flooding conditions that area actually I'd rather have a
third of two than not because there's not the potential of well you have to do the seasonal prep. >> You have to Yeah. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. Anymore it doesn't matter because we have that seasonal high in there except for the problems when we do a
seasonal high when it's been a drought and then the rain comes. We've had a couple of those issues that we have to figure out how to get around. >> Uh I'll I'll talk about I'll reach back out to the resident. >> Sure. >> Maybe just >> figure out which one it's supposed to be. >> Discuss this
by any opinion on either number. >> Right. Right. I will >> whatever it is, just let us know. >> Y. >> All right. Moving on to the last one is sorry. zoning fees. Again, this is one
of those user fees. Um, as time goes on, ours was 30. Um, we are looking to increase it to 50. It's it's a user fee just offsetting the time of the employees. >> Expense for >> Yes, it'll be uniform 50. >> It's a uniform 50 for all zoning
permits. Um, and that is comparable to surrounding communities. Um they did do a review of other fees and we are pretty close to all the other municipalities as far as zoning and
planning are concerned with the exception that zoning for variance fee is currently listed at 100 but it's more it's 200 and it's more often 200 in other communities rather than 100 as well as the bulk and hardship is would normally be 200 in other areas. So if
you wanted to increase those, you could increase those >> and still be within >> service. Does it matter what to to we match the other municipalities that our shared service is sent to? >> No. And and those are through the zoning. So it's not the sh part of the
shared service. We don't share service with the zoning officer. >> Oh, it's the construction the construction the construction >> the construction official and inspectors. Yeah. But not the zoning officer. Correct. >> Um, fees for professional services. Um,
this is updating this to be more current with what fees currently are. Um, so rather charging a flat fee, it's just including it all into the escrow that we currently have and it's just making adjustments to the escrow based on that.
>> Have we had problems chasing people there? >> The escros? >> No, no, not the escrow. Oh, >> it the other way. >> The fees. um we had some issues where the fees are no longer near what the what the what the rates were listed in here. So therefore, we're
then offsetting the cost >> and those have fluctuated so much that it's it's not um it doesn't make sense to set a single fee for it because they're it depends on the application in front of
them what those costs are. Did you call uh planning and designing and all the changes? >> No, that would come next. So these changes that are being recommended are coming from the office and problems and issues that have popped up in the offices. Um and then because this is a
change to 135, once you introduce the ordinance, it automatically has to go to planning board for a review before you can adopt it. >> So they will throw in their edits. >> Yep. They'll throw in any other edits. You guys get complaints about cops and
trash. You get complaints about fees and operation of the offices. That's my cross. >> Are we okay with those changes except with you getting >> back?
That's why that's fine. Okay. >> You asked if I struck this struck grandson. >> All right. The next item >> next item is to discuss the marijuana moratorum deadline. Um, five years ago,
uh, municipalities were given an opportunity to allow or disallow marijuana industry within their own communities. And you had to make a choice. And it was once you made that choice, you were stuck with that choice for five years. Hadenfield made the choice to not allow those items within
Hadenfield, those different services within Hadenfield. And the five years is coming up and we have to make a decision if you want to continue to prohibit or you want to allow >> stores.
>> Oh, with the different lenses, >> you would you would if you were to decide that you wanted to allow it, you would have to go through and pick which ones and which zones you would allow them in. Once upon a time there was a lot of
interest in putting a place in Hadenfield. Um we've been on the no list for a while. So I think it's been a couple years since we've had somebody >> get one every one of the old one and they didn't move quick
enough in getting their approvals but they approved under the old >> just didn't move quickly enough. And then >> that was a medical >> medical. Yep. >> Yeah. >> Oh, they have their window thing >> and they lost it. >> Yeah. >> So, what do you want to do? >> Continue to disallow it or to allow it.
>> You have July, but I'm thinking about it. Well, and the reason I bring it up now instead of waiting till the last minute is because if you if you do want to allow it, then we have to do work to get the ordinance ready in time. So, if you don't want to allow it, it's an easy fix
and we can move forward with this ordinance later, you know, in a month or two. But if you do want to allow it eventually, then we need to know so we can start working on that. >> I vote as a no.
>> Well, that's heck. Yes. Yes. No. >> Yes. Yes to keeping the ordinance. >> Yes to keeping it. >> Thank you. >> I was going to say it was unanimous lastly. >> Yeah. >> I'm not sure. >> Okay. >> Has there been any interest from the
residents to have a business like this? >> Not from a resident having one. >> No. >> Um in owning the store, >> asking for >> No. >> And there are a plethora of them out there anymore. So it's easy to find us.
They're all They're all around us. >> White horse. >> Oh my god. >> I think it was like the gold rush five years ago. Now it's sort of dust is settling and they're there and >> it's my understanding it's not a lot of money in this at all. Not what people thought.
>> Not what they thought. So >> dust is settling. >> Also there are plenty of online companies that that organic with rose infused things. Well, and now now under a certain amount, you can go to even the
fulfilling the liquor store, you know, you go to the wine and spirit shop and you can buy th stuff all you want, too. >> State store. >> The state store I I'm I'm proud of myself. Call it the wine and spirit shop. The state store
>> two different things. Wine and spirit. Nope, you're correct. >> Yeah, that's the beer. So once residents come out and say no, we absolutely really really want this. You have to reconsider. >> Okay. >> Uh time we just have to think about a
>> Yeah. So >> time period >> it needs to be done. >> No, I mean you want another five years. Okay. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> For the next administration to deal with again. >> Yeah. It's just the guidance does say
you can do you like you just can't barb indefinitely. There has to be a time period. That's all it says. >> Future future commission for future. >> Another five years. >> I'll do. >> Okay. >> All right. >> 21.6.
>> The next item, traffic around Lizzy Haden. >> Bun. All right. I provided you with the email from the principal um who has requested initially he requested to have
all four blocks around all four streets around the around the block to be made one way in the traffic pattern that they are showing in the map they showed um for drop off and pickup. Um, in the exchange that we had, I indicated that that was probably not
realistic and asked him if he, you know, if Redmond based on having the fact of Redmond being um, the main drop off and he said no, at that point he would want >> Payton and Aendale.
Um, which make no sense because they're not showing that as drop off on there, but Payton is, but not not Aendale. And that if they can't have either of those, then Redmond One way he has also asked that uh Redmond and Payton be made into
non-parking which currently there is parking on >> Yeah. Uh on but is it on the school side on both of them? >> Right. >> Right. He did not clarify where he if he
wanted both sides to be no parking or just the one side to be no parking which the one side is currently no parking. And I think his problem is again it's it's an enforcement issue. Um you know we were just dealing with this for over with Tatum with the snow. You know
we had those brutally cold days and every parent was driving their kid to school instead of walking to school. And so one when you all of a sudden have every parent driving their kids to school in with very small streets, you end up with this major traffic jam. And
we have a one-way street over by um Tatum and we still have issues with people going the wrong direction on that street on the given times. Um no, just you can't make a turn on there. That's why you can't make a turn. So, in essence, it's a one-way street because
you can't make a turn onto the street, but we still have people making turns, >> right? >> Take left in my driveway and then back out and make a right by the club, which people do all the time. >> Yeah. >> Wait, how are you going to drop off a K
or first grader on Aendale and they're going to walk themselves there? I think the teachers are there or there's somebody there guiding them drop off >> and then there's two drop off. >> No, he was asking for that to be one way.
>> Oh, I see. I see. Okay. But drop off still happens under >> Well, it drops off all along Mount Fern. I saw my Lizzie had a parent. So, you can drop off the older kids anywhere along Mount Fern. They just hop a fence or they go to the end and then they walk in. Then there is the handicap drop off
side entrance on Payton. And then there is the front door entrance and then the kindergarten drop off at the end of the intersection. And it boggles my mind that they ask to what is essentially silent behavior that has just completely
deteriorated that they're now asking for, you know, signage and change and laws and enforcement, you know. It's it's saddening. I'll just say it's sad,
right? That that there's the the person that just decides to say, you know what, I'm going that direction instead of the other direction. >> Mhm. >> It's sad. >> And we have this trouble at each school periodically. I, you know, we had
trouble years ago at Central Middle. Everybody would just come and park and you know instead of you know we had to put up no stopping and standing or no >> stop no >> yeah um signage up there and you know
but then you have to send somebody to enforce it and you know that's the issue and and you know we we have somebody at Tatum trying to enforce that we've able to to back off that a little bit because the weather's gotten better you know
I I'm Not sure >> for a while everything >> right >> you know over my career 80% of people walk and now you know 80% of people getting so that's it's community based not meant to have that
many at that time period small narrow res >> and you know people don't learn the person I've been here years we've enforced Then we've got killed. You know, the commissioners got what you
what were you supposed to do? And then you have the other resource. So it's put us or you guys in the middle. You know, the school ladies I mean central was easy. They they should have done a that driveway that they go
in on on Lincoln and come out on chest but they do it. the same with um you know Tatum just went the right way like you said you know you don't I don't think you should make a long ways it'd be very
tough to enforce and use them after 100 years of doing what we've been doing >> especially since it's only going to be for specific hours >> right and then >> no I was going to say the hard part is it's probably not even in the morning it's in the afternoon when people get there half an hour early waiting for the
pickup They really do >> pile isn't that problem where they drop off their kids and you know the parents sit around and fall for things >> well people complain about wood for Christ the king >> you know where people are they're using
the intersections and the sidelines are terrible at least it's behavior >> but then when we go to the forest we get the opposite of that >> we have limitations around TA. That's
all I know. But like there are certain hours you can't take turns onto >> the proof >> and we don't think that would work. >> Well, not not that in that area around Elizabeth had >> no because you you can you can force by
not allowing people to turn on Glover, people realize that they have to go around the corner and go down Evergreen and come down Glover. this you have four you know four ways you enter you know you can get to this school there's no and one of the roads
right now is still a county road >> and you can always make a right >> yeah the problem is not left right the problem is all right so we put fourway stops >> right when you put fourway stops actually you know the
again it's like your kids want or drop you know if you don't want to walk I get who live on marquee and you don't want them to walk the Elizabeth you know across east side so driving to the intersection of you know you live walk
the one block instead of walking 30 block you know what where that's when we have to change the behavior of the parents >> so let me understand they're asking for this whole section to be a oneway so people around that. But what are we
saying that they should do instead? >> We're just saying we don't think that we can legally make any legally and in we can we can legally do it. Enforcing would be incredibly difficult to do that
>> every single day >> twice a day. Once the residents area we stop was four stops. >> So there going to be a couple residents
that are buy >> is enforcement of this hard because we just don't have enough like officers to like do traffic cop in the mornings. >> Yeah. >> Is that it? Yeah. I mean, you would need >> basic plates. You would essentially have have like three or four >> Yeah.
>> police officers at every one of those. >> Yeah. You would have >> one at each school and therefore >> No. No. You to do to enforce this to make sure you'd need four officers here. You >> need one each corner. Yeah. >> Then you need one at one at Tatum. But we have section
at that time, you know, not only we have to do that. >> We have res complaining that that early in the morning there's a lot of speeding problems. So, you know, we're getting pulled in a thousand different directions at that specific time, >> right? that you know and then now you
want to have one more layer of >> enforcement >> enforcement then it would be almost impossible unless fire department cops or something somebody else some >> if we did it for like a month and we just ticket everybody that it would like word
>> but then you're going to piss everybody off because you're giving them tickets and that was the comment that we've had. We have issues when we when we have complaints around the schools and we try and start to do the enforcement. We did this at central a number of years ago. We started ticketing them and then you
get lambasted from those residents. Why are you ticketing me? It it becomes a very difficult situation. skin that's happening
in the middle of that fight because there's not the best answer is no dogs. I mean >> just it's I'm very guilty of this. I have no excuse, but I did drive my kids to school a couple of times this winter
because it was just so >> No. And I get it. I'm car we're causing the problem ourselves. >> Yeah. >> You know, and then asking somebody else to fix the problem that we're causing. >> On bad weather days, you don't come down
center street and have to cross over landing because you cannot get through the intersection cuz cars going to to the school and they stop right in the middle of the intersection. They don't care. >> Yeah. >> The bus district buses. God bless George Cox. He would
never let that happen. >> No, as nobody would block the box that Lincoln said, >> but they do it in center and >> Oh, sure. Um, yeah. So, it is one of those it's it's it's an enforcability thing of poor behavior
that shouldn't happen in the first place. Um, you know, and even no parking street side or school side, we have two days that are voting at Lizzy. So that's a different animal. Um
>> I think I'm personally I think Elizabeth is the best of all all free schools because there are so many >> Yeah. >> avenues to get in and out. Well, so many kids get dropped off on other >> Mount Fern if the older kids get dropped off on Mount Fern.
>> Kat Central and Elizabeth >> I mean not to interfere in their business here but like have they brought this issue to their own PTO like have they spoken about this with their own PTO to see if like the parent themselves can generate that an idea?
That's what uh that's that's how we prompt central. But they actually had the parent teacher association email and then they put lanes. They asked us if they could put the morning I don't know if they was down delineating drop off
and and traffic on the other they kind of help themselves. I I don't know what I mean to see if that's a possibility if they try themselves or have they done that? Well, that could be that could be a
compromise not having parking during school hours on the house side of I mean house side of Edmond so that they could create a through lane you you could then the five residents sure I'm just saying
>> that's someone's going to be a resident I mean I don't remember years ago they bought a house without a school but bought a house in front of a school I mean you have It takes summer. But you're right. You could suggest that
>> someone dropping off from that side and then the kid running drop off on the school side, >> right? >> On the school side through >> and then the other way. >> So in front of central right now because I go faster there. they put those cones
the the curb side closest to the school that's your drop off and there's just a narrow lane if you're going straight through then you have opposing traffic coming at you so if you're if you're going >> and no one breaks the rules over there they stop their car when the kid gets out and that's across the street >> I guess I >> I'm sure somebody does
no one would dare they just would not I don't know about Lizzy but like when the principal sends you that email of how you're supposed to behave during drop off >> well and they did just put those st >> they're That's a lot. >> But don't put that out because we forget it. Well, as Sam made it out, the people
breaking the rules. >> They do break the rules on on Atlantic. So, like a little further past where the playground is in Atlantic, you're I mean, kids >> kids and parents, everybody darts across there. I mean, even even though a little further down is the crossing guard, >> right? >> But on the Atlantic side of it and where
the playground is, I mean, and I see as many parents as I do kids just darting back and forth. So you've got to go through their negative miles an hour. >> To me, it goes back to like like good oldfashioned like Catholic guilt. If you like if you to draft a letter to the parents to say old, you're going to
abide by signing the bottom saying do it. >> You know when people think differently say I sign my name saying I'm going to do this and then you know I >> Yeah. You know what? In the morning when I'm late for work and I drop off and
drop it on >> everybody's so distracted these days. >> I feel their pain, but there's really hard action to take. >> But my question, why now? Right. >> I know for the 10 years it's pretty much the
same. The only thing that's changed in my opinion is there's more for and as we get to do an education problem. That's the only thing I can see that
some problem. I'm a little Charlie. What was that whole walk walk your kid to school day? There's walking school bus. Well, the walking school bus taken the thing. >> Well, it's actually it's a national thing. >> No, but they really >> they did. They they picked it up. Nobody else picked it up.
>> Uh I mean that's an idea actually like why don't we just incentivize other behaviors we want like make it a more bike friendly drop off or you know make it a whole community drop off. I don't know. It's something other than like
incentivizing it instead of um punishing punishing behavior. We don't want >> positive reinforcement. Thank you. That's awesome. >> Okay. So, we'll tell them to try and come up with some other ideas because we're not comfortable with these.
>> Yeah. Okay. Next ordinance is to talk about Oh, I picked mine up. >> Yeah, >> thanks. My printed it out and didn't put it in my packet. >> Um, so we're just looking to add some
things. We're not looking at changing the hourly rates for the field usage. We're looking one what we wanted to do was, you know, we have those people that use the parks for their for-profit little um organizations. Uh, we have the pavilion at Crowswoods.
Um, we have the building at Crowswoods. That should be the pavilion at Froz and the building um for use of the building there. And then tennis sports for they're trying to guarantee plus the other thing is sponsorships is is now as the little league has done over at the
little league complex is start to allow sponsorship signs for different seasons at Centennial um the Rner complex and Crows Woods. Yes, ma'am. >> Related not on this topic, so I will wait.
>> Any questions on those? >> Just to point out the recreation commission was to talk the tennis courts simply would not reserve them all for centennial >> at the same time. >> Uh so there was always an open courts for public residential use.
uh that this is more there are many coaches coaches who were surprised last year and we granted them a zero fee guarantee. So we had a driver on the year of no cost but guaranteed courts last year. So this year it just applied
the fee. This was these fees were the things that we hoped to look bad and that's why we're not touching the rest of the fee schedule. >> Correct. >> That's the fee schedule doesn't change. How do you reserve it for you know through u civic wreck the the website on
our website. So you can re you can reserve a baseball field right now. Somebody just did for a birthday party. So you go to the website and you it says facilities just go out for >> one of the things we're looking at is
getting a outsideffected TV that can or screen that can then we can show the reservations stuff. for the for the tennis courts so that people will see which courts are reserved. We have this is more we have
like um we have a couple of different of tennis organizations that come in and not necessarily are local and come in and and book all the courts for certain mornings um at different days during throughout the summer and and fall and spring. And so this is just because
again there's no >> recouping money to do any maintenance on those tennis courts. I mean, we we clean the bathrooms. We, you know, we we maintain the we blow the >> power get the power wash and all that. So, this is another usage for coupe uh
for those that want guaranteed access to those courts. Correct. >> And we will not guarantee them all the same. >> If you show up and just want to play, you know, tennis and there's a free court, then you can and it's not booked for anybody, then you can just go use it free of charge. >> Any questions on the fees?
Are we okay moving forward? >> And these fees go into the recreation utility or >> No, they go into the recreation utility to help offset the cost for the recreation utility. >> Okay, the next one we're going to skip. Diana has more research to do on this,
so we don't need to to address that. Now, to talk about changes to the trash collection, as we indicated, we're going to go back out to bid for the trash collection. Um, we talked about making in that bid one of those options to be a one-armed services. When we met to go
over the issues and concerns with the contractor, there were some other issues that that popped up because if we make that switch, which will be potentially cheaper for us um for this for the service,
it does then limit certain pickups. So we have issues where right now you can put bulk items out, you can put furniture, refrigerators, you know, whatever items you have out at any point in time. Um,
what we'd like to do is switch that so it's one week of the month like we do with veg certain times of the year or we do with chipping, things like that. So just pick a week. I don't care which, whether it's the fourth, the 2nd, because we have things going on the other two weeks. Um, and just say that's
the week because they would then know on those on that week to bring in two different trucks. So, they wouldn't be bringing in the one arms necessarily. They would be bringing in the larger trucks so that they can have the room to put that stuff in um and still have the
one- arm capabilities for the cans. The other problem we have and and this I've I don't know if any of you have noticed it. I have certainly noticed it. The move out and moves in have gotten um significant and seem to be happening
more often. Um, and people just what I I have seen, um, people just seem to put everything out and not bother to move anything and then we're responsible for picking all of that up and and they're not calling
ahead to schedule it um, like they've been requested to. Um, and so again, it's one of those situations where we it may be time to just not allow that anymore. people have to get rid of >> orange tag that because it's the new owner that's been picking up the orange
tag. >> Correct. >> Right. It's that's a bad first impression. They're out of >> right. So, you know, we can just disallow it and people aren't able to do it. So, if someone is is moving out, they can make arrangements to get rid of
all their own stuff, whether it be a dumpster or >> bagster. >> Yeah. Rather than, you know, putting the stuff out at the curb expecting us to pick it up. This goes back to the conversation about changing over our trucks. Would would bulk items be picked up by pickup trucks
or did they actually just bring a bigger trash truck? >> They would just bring a bigger trash truck >> and then they just smash all this. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's what they do currently. Um but part of the part of the whole idea is to switch to the one arms, which is a smaller truck for them.
And then um but you can't pick that stuff up if you're dealing with a one arm going through time going through town. So you have to bring the bigger truck so that you can get out of the truck, go out and pick the stuff up and put it in. So that's what I was saying. If we pick it if we do it once a month,
then they know that week to bring the two bigger trucks in. Well, and not for nothing, if if it's a known schedule for our town and there will be more things going out out of cycle, well, then the scrappers would know what week to come through our town
>> and that would save us money on >> tipping, right? Absolutely. >> I mean, I'm not I'm laughing because it sounds ridiculous, but it's not. Yeah. >> Because you're not wrong. the scrappers would come and and unload a lot of that stuff because they would know that was the week that you know how field throws
out stuff. >> Yeah. Now they're just hit or miss if they drive through. >> Is there any way to have that as a as a a a resident have that picked up? >> Picked up by us.
>> Yeah. I mean, then you're dealing with having to schedule it. I mean, as it is now, the problem is if people are still continue to do it, you know, my response would be then that we're going to charge the property owner. You know, we'll pick
it up, we're going to pay an extra fee for that and and we're going to charge the property owner because it's you're going to have some of that regardless when you switch over and you're going to have people who just don't pay attention, don't care. But you also have somebody trying to pay
for it. Just don't know who to contact. >> I think I would rather have public works have a list of places they could contact to do it. >> And say here, contact these people. They they have, you know, things that you can, you know, they've got those containers that they can bring and drop
at your house. And, you know, like even Home Depot does them, you know, you can put certain things in junk, >> you know, and >> Yeah. >> What should the process be now? They call make a not a reservation. >> They have to they have to call and notify us there that they're doing it. I
forget if there's a if there's a time frame in there on how >> what do we do with that information? >> Well, what we used to do is make sure we knew so that we stopped by and and grabbed everything. People just stopped letting us know.
See if it's in here. I mean, and really from a this is a cost containment issue. This isn't like h we just don't feel like doing this. Our prices are going to double this. >> Yeah. >> If we don't try to curtail behavior to
match what we can afford. And Frank, the other problem too is if they are responsible for taking it to the to the dump themselves, they're paying that tipping fee. So it's we would have to incorporate the cost of not just the pickup but then the tipping
fee for that. Now, one of the complaints of that Rosel Roselle >> is that the time waiting to tick >> is what's causing them to not be able to bring their truck back to the same day because they're waiting for so long. I
brought this up last month with the mayor's association and they said, "Well, you know, some of our towns are only bringing like a half a truck because the way their roots are, a lot of small municipalities here. We're we're a small town, you know, on the official designation because we have
over 10,000 people. There's a lot of towns that don't and they're bringing a half truck, threequarters of a truck because they need it empty for the next day. We need it empty for the afternoon. uh and we're waiting in line with them and everybody has been petitioning county. We were just on the county call
today uh and that came up uh that that we're petitioning. Is there a different way to segment the line? And they don't really have a way to do that to say if you have a full load go in the right lane. If you have a half load going or if you need to get back today. >> Yeah. Because the line's now taking two
to three hours for them to get through. >> And that's why they need two trucks on our route and that's why we're going back out to bid because >> Yep. Um, just imagine that a root fits in a truck. That's how big those things are. And you're only bringing half a half a load
and there's no requirement on notification. So, it's just must be notified before trash day. >> Yeah. So if we at least know the predictable day or the week of the month where it will get heavier.
>> Yeah. And and and I just don't see I don't see a way where we can schedule something like that. >> That's right. Because if we're if we're if we're switching to the smaller one trucks um to cover cost and we're switching bulk to only be once a week, I
don't know how you allow that. >> Once a month. >> Once a month. Yeah. Sorry. Once a month. >> Well, let's talk about the resident behavior change over one truck >> truck and cans themselves. >> Yeah. So, part of that will be um that's not one of the changes I've
talked about now. So, hold that thought for a second. I talked what I'm talking about now is looking to see if we put this in place and start implementing this ahead of September so we know what the realistic impact is and make sure that it's
covering the problem so we don't it's there's not something else out there we're not aware of. Um we put the bid out then they're comfortable with how they can actually pick up and that that is reduced to it not being every day. Um
then we talk about the you know the one arm in in the in the u bid allowing for one arm to be a price instead. If the one arm price comes in then we will have an increase. We will have a capital expenditure that we'll need to make because you buy one trash
can when you implement a service like that you provide the can initially for the residents. So we would buy one um it's I think 90 gallons. I think someone told me I had think I put 50 pounds in here and that was wrong. It's
it's a 90gallon trash can. Um, and so we would buy the first one for every household, >> come up with a day where we distribute them, you know, either hand them out or have people come pick them up or whatever we decide to do to do that before the implementation. Um, and then just make it clear that that's the only
way trash can be put out. So if they need more than one of those, they are, you know, willing to, you know, they can go out and purchase additional ones. Um, but this is this is how it would be done. >> And a regular trash can about 39 gallons. So you it's almost
>> say for you that you have three of them. Five. >> Kidding. >> Yeah, that's fine. Um, we have we have a few more topics of those still. >> Yep. Yep. We can we can make a decision on this later. I'm bringing it up because I do think that we should if we're going to make these changes, we
should implement them sooner rather than later so that we can get people trained to do it before we need it. That's my only comment. >> And well, August is a really bad month to distribute stuff in this town, >> right? >> You know, so we might have to even budget for a September changeover if we
chose >> it would be September. >> It would be a September changeover anyway. Yeah. So be back from back from Labor Day. >> Make sure you have your camp. We have to really add five. >> Yeah, we would go out to So when you go out to bid for trash, it's out for two
months. So I would recommend putting going out to bid on this month's agenda with them due in in June. That way in case you have time and you have to go back out again. >> Yeah, they started their maps. They there's a couple biders conferences probably, right? there's a bitter
conference and it's the the whole process is designated by the state specifically how you have to do it. Um >> why is that for us? I don't know. >> It might be. It might be. Um but yeah,
>> organized. >> Um >> if that's the case, then we're going to know in June we could actually purchase the stuff and have them available for pickup any time from you know when we get them in say July 1 through September for the transition. Um
>> the transition to Arizona. >> Yes. >> Yes. Before we go into close session, can we do a break? >> We have a couple other things to talk about, but we can take a break if you need to. >> All right, we're
>> Thank you. Okay. So, next month we'll talk a little more about trash and how we want to go about things and what we want to do, >> but we'll go out to bid. We'll authorize out to bid in April. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> All right. Next item on the agenda is
the 42726 meeting agenda. Um, you also received in your packet an outdoor marketing graphic display permit to approve. That's one for >> Yes.
Um on the agenda, you're looking at mostly um the annual fair share housing refunds for those who paid more than what the permit ended up coming out to be at the end of their project. Um the two projects we talked about for general events earlier. um permission to fold
the skirmish >> and we're giving them a blanket or have they put in all their requests? >> Skirmish. >> Yeah, one of the last time we had the library point >> we we've been working with them on everything. So, they're going to limit
all of their items in this block. They're not using the point. And then part of our 250 program is in is uh supplementing that with all the things downtown but not in the street on the sidewalks.
Um you later on this agenda you're talking about your FA and your affordable housing agent, your annual tonnage grant. Um we already did the the grass cutting. There's no reason to do public cleaning of public bathrooms. When the bids came in, we are paying cheaper price through state contracts.
So, we're going to stay with state contract. >> Okay. >> Is this the one he can't make? >> So, that's on this agenda, too. So, we can talk about it now. Um, he will unexpectedly be out of the country on the 27th. So, the question is, do and we will have all the ordinances on here
that we talked about tonight and you approved. So, that will be added to this. Um, >> we have three hearings on the agenda. Second, >> the one you're the one you're going to reintroduce because there's some changes to it. I don't know what was >> the special improvement.
>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Special improvement that we're painting. We're going to make some changes. >> Correct. We're going to take the >> So no hearing on that one. Just right. So it it's not reintro. We have to reintroduce or between first second >> because you're amending it. So you just
reintroduce. >> Does that screw up that month for >> No, because if we do it this month, it's done next month. So you're still in time for the appointments. will be the first reading on >> your first reading. >> First reading the other two will still
be effective. >> Correct. >> And >> correct. So the question is, do the two of you want to have the meeting as scheduled on the 27th or do you want to reschedule it? >> It'll be 12:30 in the morning or I would come remotely. So it's not
>> controversial. >> That's the 27. >> Yes. >> Yeah. This says 28. Yeah, that might have been >> Yeah, I will be >> saying I'll be here. >> Okay, so we'll just go ahead and continue to hold it. Okay,
>> yeah, not it. >> I'll second the old emotion. >> Is there anything else on here you have any questions about? Nice. I >> think his final decision >> hearing about it Saturday >> 12:30
morning quasi vacation is not the time to take a call. >> When your son's 18 and >> yes with you. >> Yes. Moving on. Um there is nothing to add at this time for PFH but discuss the professional appointments. So, you
received packets um you received four proposals for FA and only one for the administrative agent. Do you want to discuss the those topics in close session or are you ready to make a decision on that? >> Okay.
>> No, this is this is your professional admin >> financial advisor and administrative agent for housing. If you want to talk about it closed >> that person will see the change. >> There was no compelling reason to change like the bank was the propelling reason.
>> Yep. >> You know that's why you go out and see what people are all screaming wasn't like anybody on fire. >> Okay. Okay. >> And just like going out for bathroom cleaning, you know, we went out but it
can't beat what we're already doing. You can do them both. >> Okay. Uh we already talked about that. So the planning update is I met with uh Penoni. Um we reviewed what they're going to be
addressing and the time frame. Um they are they expect the work to take about two months. They're going to come back with a draft to us at the end of May for discussion at your June work session. Um >> and they'll be here. >> Yes. And then once you have your you've
had a chance to put input to it, we're going to take it to the master plan subcommittee just for any final tweakings um before we introduce. Um we felt that was a better way of handling it, ensuring it gets done in a set time
frame rather than having too many meetings with the master plan subcommittee and getting sidetracked. Are >> you on the subcommittee? I'm not Who's on the subcommittee? >> Um, subcommittee was made up of
four members of planning and three of zoning, I believe. >> Thanks. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's a mix of the two. Um, we are down one person because one person resigned. So, I'll have to talk to um the planning board chair to see if he
wants to put somebody else back on that. But Doug's no longer with us. >> All right. >> Mallister. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You mean on the board? >> On the board. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. No. No. As far as I know, everything's fine. >> No, I I knew that was >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
Um, so yeah, that's that for that for that. And then >> discuss what they're >> Yeah. So, so what they're going to work on is Hold on, hold up.
So I can >> what's from that work session a couple months ago? >> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's very specific things based from the from the master plan. Hold on. Okay. So what they're going to look at is
come on. All right. Uh so one of the things that we talked about is um for a new building, if somebody is going to tear down a new an existing home and build a new
home is changing the impervious coverage for new buildings to lower that. The there's two incentives behind that. One um is the fact that people are taking well
there's three really. one, people are taking everything and building it out to the maximum amount of coverage allowed. So, we've had this going on for the entire time I've been here. It's called the McMansionization of the town. Um, people have been against it forever. Um,
it's it's the thought of decreasing the amount of impervious coverage you can have for a new building then is less incentive to tear the existing home down. The second thing for that is um we were getting a lot of comments from
people about the fact that people are tearing homes down and not these aren't cookie cutter homes that are, you know, built up by a developer that builds 20 of them or 30 of them. These are individually characteristic buildings and we're losing that character. And so folks wanted to maintain the character
of the community. Um and then the third thing is storm water. you know, if you're building a new home, let's not max everything out and then have even more problems with storm water than we already have. So, it's trying to reduce that so they have more purview on their
own property. Um, so that's one of the first things they're looking at doing. Um, >> without changing the height. >> Yeah, without changing anything else. You know, they're just it's it's changing. Um I don't they're going to have to come
back to us and say whether or not you know they think there needs to be other building coverage issues and things that need to be >> or it's not not so much that but you would be increasing those potentially but it's um like the building amount of building coverage whether or not there's
a calculation that that then shrinks also because of you know decreasing the impervious coverage. Um, I think it should, >> then I think it should. Then it gets you back to Yeah, that's the that's the house that you That's the house. Yeah,
you can redo the inside, but but the existing structure. >> Um, >> right. Yeah. Yeah. Or you have a small small house, you can't get a premium. You're saying what it's going to cost.
Um, that's one of the things. The second thing is the accessory dwelling units. Um, one of the things I asked them to double check is there was rumblings at the state that they were trying to implement something on a statewide plan. None of us are 100% sure whether that
went through or not. So, they're going to check into that. Um, I don't think it has, but if they has, we need to make sure that whatever we put in is in compliance. Um our thoughts initially for that were that that just becomes
one of the things the the subcommittee had gotten held up on is which areas should that be allowed. >> Right. So >> yeah and if you look at the building stock through the community and what is currently existing that really doesn't
make sense because there are some some opportunities in all of the areas. I gave the example of colonial here and that we had the issue with the woman that the tree fell on her house. She was given permission to build a residential unit above the garage but only for the
time period until she built her new house and then that couldn't be allowed because we didn't have accessory dwelling units allowed. Um so that's a situation where that might not have been a zone that people were picking initially but makes sense because she had the ability to do it there and had
the space. Um, so that if it can comply in all other methods, then what does it matter the zone that it's in? Um, >> it's more about coverage, >> right? >> Yeah. Like if you have coverage for that. >> Make sure you have parking. You know,
you you have enough parking. Um, you know, you're not, yeah, you're not allowed to expand things, you know, beyond what's already limited just because you're putting in a, you know, I mean, the idea is people changing garages, either changing them over or build, you know, on the second story of the garage becoming the accessory
dwelling unit or something. There's somewhere they're putting additions on. >> You want the signal like you're not It doesn't carry. >> Correct. >> Good. It it should Yeah, >> it should, but it be a flat plot. >> Correct. >> Yeah. No. No. >> Then you're subdividing. >> Yeah. Right. something. >> Yeah. >> So, I don't want to get into the story,
but but are they exploring >> um like changing the height require or the the height of like let's say the detached garage, would they be looking to change the height of that to make that >> or would be just within the confines? Say you can take your garage, turn that
into an ADU, but >> right now we were just looking at taking the existing confines. >> Okay. >> Um >> you can put a bathroom heat in. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um, not necessarily changing anything. >> Gotcha.
>> We're going a lot of what we've seen in HPC couple on Kings Highway and Potter, they take those garages which are some of them are probably old barns, >> but they'll the f it's the first floor. They don't go up. >> Yeah. >> But then you'll put on plumbing electric
>> offices out there. >> Yeah. You know, one one had a family. They were talking about like an extra living room, pool table, couches. I mean that's >> they want to heat it. Sure. >> The heat and electricity are the trickers right now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Um so that's and it's you know come up with the restrictions. If the property can meet it doesn't really matter where it is. >> Makes more sense. It's fair. >> Yeah. >> You feel like you just didn't you didn't hit the lottery because you were in the wrong boat. >> Right. even though you're staring at a
huge backyard or you staring at your garage and you're like, I wish I could, >> right? Um the third thing is we had talked about allowing town houses back in the mix. Um
that based on the conversations with the sub commmittee during that process was there are very specific areas that that looks like it belongs in. either you have existing ones now um and allowing other houses to be converted back into
that or you know um something along those lines. So working on does it make sense where those are go back to our discussions that we've already had. Does it make sense where do we put them? That will be what they come to you for tweaks and then for the subcommittee um for tweaks as to did we get everything or
we've said this yes or no kind of thing. Um the last one was uh we talked about large homes again maintaining the homes large homes being allowed to be changed into duplexes or
triplexes with the only major change potentially being you know cutting a new doorway or accessible ability from the second floor or something but being able to maintain those larger homes. And again, that's a situation of there are homes that qualify in a number
of areas for that potentially. So, is that another thing where we put restrictions on it and say regardless of which zone you're in, you as long as you meet the restrictions, you can. Um and
>> well the most important thing to me is we don't do so many as one time and it can't be digested. It can't have a public input period. You know people really kind of sit with it. U because that's a lot of work to like
roll out three at once. >> Well that's that would all be that all would all be one ordinance change. Yeah. That's those are the big changes from the master plan that we talked about. >> Full back. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That was that was the main things and then you know a couple of the minor things of um
>> Well, no, it's it's it's things that things that are allow that are currently nonconforming that you're keeping non-conforming so you can just put it back. >> The driveway. >> Yeah. The driveway
is pre-existing non-conforming. Exact same thing. forward. It's a It's 100% approval through zone. You say, "My driveway is this. It's all torn up and stuff like that. I want to replace it with an exact drive." It has to go through zone. You have to because you're
50 bucks. Go do it. >> Yeah. So, I I think there's a lot of people who But that goes back like revenue generation. Probably tons of people just >> myself included probably just pay that get your driveway done and off to the races. Like like they're just not going to go to the zoning. They're going to
have this stuff. Same thing with tax. administration if that exists you can replace replace >> if you're if you're changing if you're enlarging it or then you'd have to come but if you're doing sales and >> off to your car >> right
>> we've had that conversation for years >> that makes a lot of sense I think >> it's >> and a few a few of them were like folks at the heartstrings where they were seniors there were elderly people and when they get to like you know again just a driveway it's thousands of dollars they don't have it they're in
fixed income, but it's a hazard for them. They can't get in and out of their car. >> Yeah. It's like >> life or life. >> Yeah. For it. >> Yeah. So, that's what they're going to be working on >> and bringing back to us.
>> Great. Uh redevelopment. >> So, the redevelopment, the big the one big thing with that is um Boxwood is finally moving along. Uh the historic trust agreed to hold the easement and there is an a site meeting on April 21st with the developer, Shipo,
and historic trust to go over and figure out what all would actually be included in that easement. Um that is another one of those things where they're allowed to go inside and determine if there's anything inside that needs to be kept the same as it is as they did in Lworth.
Um and so that's that. The only issue is once they have it, like I said, we are now in the truck's busy time. So, it'll be interesting to see how long that takes. I know for us it took until October and November. So, hopefully that will move faster for them and um we'll
be able to close on that project soon. Loworth went to planning board on the 31st for the HPC project, but they have to go back to planning board at the next meeting for the site plan stuff. and
>> enough crew will keep moving forward, >> I believe. So, >> yeah, they seem very happy. >> Yeah. Um, and Woodmont, when I last met with them, I have a meeting next Thursday with them.
Um, when I last met with them, or maybe it's this Thursday, I forget. Um, they were just finishing up. They're doing a I think I told you this already, they're doing a technical review with Shipo before they submit the formal application to get input from them
first. Um, and that should be sent off to them. They were supposed to be getting it done last week, I believe. So hopefully that'll be moving along. >> Um, there was a request to for vote by
mail. Oh, >> making that sign that seems pretty obnoxious. >> It does seem rather bad. I don't >> I mean, we don't have a lot of trouble of recruiting people to register by mail. >> No, we're the highest%.
>> We're the highest within the county. So, >> yeah. So, I I don't think we need to really put out another that thing. >> Yeah, >> that's huge. >> Yeah. And that would just be in the hallway downstairs. So, >> yeah, that seems ridiculous. Um
Unless you not avail strongly. >> You had all agreed to an April 25th ribbon cutting for back here and now two of you are gone. We're going to continue moving forward with that if you're okay. >> That's fine. >> Okay. >> So to your >> perfect.
Okay. And then um >> lastly, this is just something for you to thanks. Or you can read Dread. This is just um Dave asked us to put something together and run it past the school board. Um they have agreed to our
conversation where we believe that that any agreement talks between us regarding the pilot should wait until we get closer to the project actually taking place. So we just wanted to put something out to the public informing them of that decision. signing off. >> Yes, they already did.
>> Okay. >> We're leaving it to them to decide. >> We're looking at Wednesday. If everything's okay tonight, >> uh it's the first time we've met since we were asked to give opinion on the uh
statue of library. Um, so I talked to Jack and told him that you guys, as long as it was just moved up, he said absolutely fine. Um, they had the same concern. Um, so they're going to go back to the
sculpture and say, you know, the base is fine, but you need to elevate that a little higher so that nobody's going to hang off of it. Um, I asked him if he needed anything else from us at that time. He said no. Uh, I did have Deanna send me the agreement we have with host
for the animals at the zoo so that we can develop one of those with the foundation for the sculpture in front of the library. grandparents day the last Saturday April >> believe that >> 25th same day as the >> I think Risner has
>> one time I saw him I saw him as CL so >> yeah Risner the solicitor for the foundation and I was we were looking at legal education >> and he asked me about it I said yeah that's what they're talking about so I'm sure he's got something so just
>> and then That's it. Other than uh wireless, we get an update sometime soon. >> Yes. Soon. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Let me get let me get back on that. >> On the 25th, what time is this? Um we're
leaving noon. >> Perfect. >> Okay. I just need you to be two minutes in close session. That's it. >> Press. >> Yep. Open to the press.
>> Later. >> All right. Okay. Fair enough. >> David, >> you're fine. >> Well, I'm sorry. I was in >> Oh, no. We read your We read it. >> So, check it.
>> That's what we talked about. We're reintroducing my chases. Uh on Monday 27th 27th we're reintroducing >> 27th of April
>> with chains. >> Oh no. Oh >> 27th I'm double. It's a Monday. >> All right. So, we do have to change that meeting. >> So, sorry. >> That's okay.
>> Really? So glad I >> I'm back at 20 uh at 3:00. Another reason I don't want to be up at 12:30. So, I'm trying to try as much sleep as I can. I sleep like a baby on the plane, but you lose five hours.
>> Yeah. >> Anyway, on the way back, >> you gain five, but you lose it. No sleep and then the day never ends. It's a wacky day. >> Yeah, it's a wacky day. >> Everyone just push day the 28th or no? >> No, he's Oh, you're back on Tuesday.
>> Oh, no. He's fine. >> Are you sure? >> I can't stay. I don't think it's >> Yeah. >> It's not an ordinance system. >> Yeah, but they're introduction. >> No, most of them. Yeah. And the hearings are
>> salary and they're not. Nobody's going to talk. >> So just move it from 27 to 28 from Monday to Tuesday. >> Are you good at that? >> Uh it's my wife's birthday. >> You can't do that. >> But Wednesday. >> Well, I think you're going out with her
for dinner a different night, aren't you? >> Monday. >> This weekend. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. I was going to say, wait a minute. You told me one thing. >> Okay. >> So, I told one thing
>> to >> So, for the two ordinances that have public hearings, we're going to have to send notices, >> press notices. See if we have the time to do that because we advertised on Monday. >> Have a look. Yeah. >> Tell our registr
>> I'll have to check the statute. >> Tuesday, just the next day. >> Same time. We're going to have to uh reverize our our hearings for our hearings to the 28th. Moving our meeting for the 27th 28 though should work.
>> I'll have to look. I'll have to know >> what's >> I'll have to look and let you know if if they're the time frames that >> otherwise we'll have to push it. >> No, Wednesday is >> Wednesday. >> Yeah. If those two ordinances because they are >> what they are
>> what they are if they cannot if she doesn't have the time frame to advertise them for the 28 can I bump them to the work session >> rather than having to wait rather than having to wait to the end but I don't explain. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I think we work >> and we would do it like that. You would do the 6:30 ordinate or hearing >> with the work session immediately follow like we were going to do on the >> if we have to move >> if we have to. >> Yep. >> Otherwise, it'll be on the 28th.
>> Yeah. >> But we may have time. >> No, we'll have time. >> Okay. >> If they're in on the 17th, I have 10 days. >> Okay. >> So, we'll have time. >> That's great. Thank you. >> Friday. >> Good. >> Friday the 17th. Well, because their papers paper.
>> Yeah. Friday is going to be >> Yeah. So that puts it to the 27th. >> Perfect. >> So >> perfect. >> The meeting is the 27th. >> It was It was the 28th. We or 27th. We just moved it to the 28th. >> Monday to Thursday. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Two of us already. >> So I'll send those two changes over to Susan tomorrow. I'll let her know. >> Do I have a motion to go into close session? taking no action when we come out. >> I in >> favor.
>> All right, we're all good. Let's go.