By the time I got there, but we still >> Yeah, we left. >> No, I was there early. >> We got there once. >> Oh, I must have gotten there at noon or something. >> Just five.
All right. >> All right. Hesport Township U board will come to order. Where is my agenda? There's my agenda. And we'll have a flag salute first
to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Good evening everyone. I'm Tom McKay. Um I'm the um chair of the of
the Hannesport Township Joint Land Use Board. Uh we have a short meeting tonight. I think one thing on the agenda. Uh and that's just for the information of those online if there are any online. Paula, can we have Paula Tyra, can we have a a Sunshine Law read,
please? >> Notice this meeting was a published in accordance to the Open Public Meetings Act. >> Okay. Um, I have a uh a matter to take up that isn't on the agenda, but we'll hold that till the end of the of the uh of the meeting. So, I
want to talk to to uh to the to the board about a member of the board in particular. Uh >> why keep looking at me? >> No. Oh, just trying to uh trying to let you
know. required. >> Um, >> I mean, you get your Wednesday if you're >> there. There's no new business after uh after 10:00, but it's not going to be a problem tonight. Can we have a roll call? >> Mrs. Tory >> here. >> Mr. Novarita
>> here. >> Mrs. Luten >> here. >> Mayor Gilmore >> here. >> Mr. Jotchi >> here. >> Mr. R. Murphy >> here. >> Mr. C. Murphy >> here. >> Miss Costco >> here. >> Mr. Holden >> here. >> Mr. Mcai >> here. >> Mr. McKay >> here.
All right. Uh, we have one item for business tonight. Uh, William Putnick's application case 25-10. That's uh property uh 2210 Walnut Avenue uh in the in the Heights. Is Mr. Putnik here?
>> Yes. >> Why don't you come forward to the podium to be sworn? And if your wife if I'm presuming that's your wife with you. Um, if your if your wife uh may need to talk, you bring her up and we'll swear you both in together. >> Our solicitor will swear you in.
>> Excuse me. >> Okay. >> Raise your right hand, please. >> We have It's a use variance. We're going to have to step with the truth. >> Thank you. >> Now, uh, we have a couple of members who have to step down because of the use
variance application and So, we're we're set. Um, so, Mr. Putnik, I have or we have your
um your papers and we've seen the survey and we've seen the photographs. So, um you're not represented by council tonight. I take it. >> I am not. >> All right. So, why don't you just give us an overview of of what you what you
want to do and if you can enlighten the board members by maybe referring to the particular photograph that you're talking about at that point in time. >> Sure. >> And reference the surveys that are also
attached to your application. And just so that the board can follow along with the exhibits. All right. >> Sure. Absolutely. So the floor is yours for that purpose. First of all, I'd like to thank everyone for coming out tonight. Appreciate it. Uh we'll start
with the uh photos here. And um well, first of all, I guess I'll give you a brief rundown what I what I would like to do. So the house in the back is a irregular shape being 440 ft. And uh we'd like to square it off and make it 30 by 20 600 square f feet as well as putting the porch across the front of
the house which would be 6 by 30 180 ft. Um and we'll refer back to the pictures here. So the very first picture here is in 2013 um when the previous homeowner had lived there. You can see the uh condition of the property with multiple vehicles,
many trees, and you obviously can't even see the house that we're seeking the variance for this evening. And if you flip to the next page here, um it's in April of 2023. This is when uh the gentleman that used to live there had passed away and there
were some squatters living in the house for quite some time. Um the house was left to the the daughter of the guy who owned it who lived 1500 miles away. So she wasn't able to take legal action on the people that were living there. So it was just a flop house for a good couple of years.
Uh the next photo is in uh August of 2023, right when we purchased the property. Um this is the house that we would like to increase the size of. You could barely see it in the photo there. It's so overgrown. Flip to the next photo. It's in October
of 2023 where you can see I cut a lot of the trees and debris away. So you can start to see the shell of the home that's there. Then the final photo is um what it looks like to this current day where we removed six dumpsters, six 30 yard
dumpsters of trash from the property, removed over 20 trees and a bunch of overgrown shrubs and whatnot. So then you'll come upon the first uh survey here which is the original survey which shows the back structure being
irregular shape. It's 26 feet in the back. Uh we would like to make it 30 feet across the back. It is 20 20 ft from the back to the front, but you can see it jogs in on both the left and right side. We just like to square that up and make a rectangle out of it to obtain a little bit more living space
there. Uh you could also see in the picture here the setbacks are extremely close. The left side being uh 1T 6 in in the front and 2T 3 in the back roughly and then the back setback being 4'2 in or so. The next one is the overlay view
of the proposed addition which is utilizing the existing foundation and extending off of that. So obviously I'm locked into those same setback lines. Um and then the final survey is what the proposed structure would look like. Um I did do the calculations for the
impervious coverage and with the proposed structure at those dimensions we still at the 26% impervious coverage which I'm pretty sure meets the guidelines for the town. And that's pretty much where we're at. Any questions? >> Yeah, there there's a quite a few
questions. Uh we'll we'll try to go u with me first and then around the room if there's other questions. >> Um do do you own the uh the uh the lot uh immediately to uh to the left on the
on the on the survey? >> Yes. >> Okay. I don't that that lot doesn't have a lot number. Might it be lot 10 or lot 12? >> It does have a lot Well, I guess I highlighted out there, but yes, it is lot 12. >> Lot 12. It's lot 12. Okay. Um,
does the does the current structure have a u a bathroom that meets code and a kitchen? >> It did have a kitchen and a bathroom and uh I I believe it meant code. I mean, it's been there since the 1950s and people have lived in it all the way up until the mid 2000s. So,
>> was sewer run to this house? Is the representation that it it's it's sewarded, but I'm surprised somebody paid to run the line all the way back there. >> It's tied in has uh its own gas meter, its own electric meter, and it's tied into the MUA sewer. That's correct. >> Uh what how you going to get vehicle
access to the house? uh along the left hand side of the existing house in the front there, those wood decks is going to be removed and it'll be a driveway along the side there. And I was going to put parking space for two vehicles behind the house there. >> So, a shared driveway. >> Yeah, absolutely.
>> All right. Um any reason why you don't just build on the lot next door? Uh that's a separate lot itself and in the future that is something I would like to do as well. That's they're not combined uh
deed-wise. They're separate. >> Uh what's your plan for the use of this structure in the back once it's renovated? >> The plan is for the wife and I to move in this house. Um we live in a house around the corner which was a tiny home at one time, but we'd like to downsize
and move into there. And then I want to fix the house up that's in the front. And then we eventually want to move into that and our parents are in their 70s. So the idea is to have family back there at some point. >> You say you live around the corner. >> Yeah, we live three houses away on Maryland Avenue.
>> So what is uh the current use of the ranch, the blue ranch house in uh >> They're both vacant. >> They're both vacant. >> That's correct. >> All right. All right, members of the board. Um let me go around. Any other questions?
Nobody. No. >> So there's there so there's two properties, two buildings on the same lot. >> That's correct. >> And my my question is that feasible. Are we allowed to do that? And >> so what I'm going to do is once the
testimony is I will give you the reasons why this is variance. Obviously, the bulk varian speaks for itself, but I'll give you the reason why this varian comes into play, which is very unusual on residents a lot. We do come back during the summer on Broad Street. Uh,
but I'll let them finish up with any questions that you have to the applicant statements and then I will go ahead and speak. >> All right. Well, um, >> are you planning to put in a paved driveway? >> No. No, because that would affect the coverage obviously. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Other questions board
>> right now is there is there two overhead electrical services individual electric service? >> There is two overhead. There's actually a telephone pole in the middle of the property >> to carry that electric back to the other house. So he has two separate meters. >> You said the intent is basically to live in one of the houses eventually you're going to move in the front and the rear
would be like a mother-in-law suite or something. It's not correct. >> This is an investment property for income generation. at some point, I mean down the road, you know, 15 years or something or who knows what's going to happen to your parents at whatever time. So, at some point it will be a rental, >> right? And it also said eventually in the future, I I would do the same thing.
You have lot which is almost going to be vacant, but it looks like you're going to be extending the rear house onto the adjacent lot which is now vacant. >> No, I would build a whole separate unit there. I would build a small rancher there because they're not connected deed-wise, you know.
>> And right now both these lots are on a septic system. >> The the lot with the two houses. Yes. The other lot has a lateral that's not tied in. The vacant lot that's empty has a lateral that's not tied in. Anyone else?
All right. Uh Paula, the floor is yours. Paula, what am I talking about? Kathy, >> yeah, I she understood >> and I had my eye operation yesterday, so theoretically my vision is greatly improved.
>> Theoretically, >> good evening, folks. Uh, for the record, Kathy Nukem, Hannesport Township zoning officer. Um, so the statement that, uh, Mr. Mr. Putnick has stated in regards to being tied into the sewer and things such as that. They absolutely are true.
They did that back during the time of our sewer project in uh 2003 to about 2014. So they are all on public utilities um as he stated. So the the reason that this is a use variance, it falls under a
D2 um which is a expansion of a pre-existing non-conforming structure. As stated, the both of these homes were built in 1954, which was very common back in the Heights where there were summer homes.
People just built things. There was no rules. There's no regulations. Half the time they didn't even know where the property lines were. So, with that, um, that's where the use comes in because it's a pre-existing non-conforming structure. The use itself of a house is
permitted in the R2 zone, but no longer do we allow two homes on a property. We can't make him get rid of this. It's, you know, it's grandfathered in. Um so one of the things when we take a look at you know like the special reasons for
this is that this house again they've been there since the 50s um which again is not uncommon in especially in the Heights more so than anywhere in town. Um most of the houses were used for summer homes. Uh the rear house is small
in nature as Mr. Putnick stated is that we're looking to bring it up to a little more present- day use. Again, it's not going to be a massive house. Um, but you saw the pictures. It really was deplorable. They've done a really great job in cleaning up this property in
general. Um, so in bringing that and it it also enhances the neighborhood in the sense is that I'm sure neighbors are going to be glad to see something that is cleaned up, taking it, you know, being rebuilt, added to, per se. Um, no one wants to
live next to things that are falling apart, trash, the whole nine yards. So, it does benefit the neighborhood. Again, even though it's a secondary house, it's benefiting the neighborhood by cleaning it up and bringing it up to today's standards, which most of the people in the Heights really do try to take care
of the properties. Um, so in regards to the negative criteria, there there's not really any in the sense is that there's no more noise being brought here. There's no more
traffic. It's not like a business is going here. These are houses that and again as tiny as it is is only going to have it you know h have one or two people in it at the most. Um so when you take a look at the positives of things I
just explained them all to you. When you take a look to see if there's any negative impact on the neighborhood my professional opinion is that there is not. And again it's because it is a residential home. It's just an extra one
on the house that we don't permit today. >> All right. Any questions, board members? >> The one thing I will state Go ahead. I'm sorry. >> That's okay. So, the the thing is very close to lot 12. What's What's behind that little house? Is that
>> There's another another home back there. >> Another home. >> Yeah. >> So, when you take a look at that, >> is it is it the same lot system in the back? >> It's actually maybe 125 ft wide 550 that lot.
>> Okay. >> He's not really affecting the back. He's not getting closer. He's basically expanding that to in the same footprint of the the existing home in regards to that backyard setback to the right of the home. He doesn't affect anybody. He
meets all the guidelines. So it really is to the left and the rear is one of the reasons for the bulk variance. He's coming forward of the house. So he's not going backwards per se. >> Uh so that's where that that bulk >> is there in the back there.
>> Yeah. I'm actually friendly with those neighbors. I've done a ton of work in their yard that they can be nothing but happy about to be able to achieve what I achieved. We have through the past years we've seen a lot of the places in the Heights where people have come in uh flippers,
new builders, people like Mr. Putnik where they bought these properties and they are trying to bring them up to better standards of today. Um so if you have any other questions I'd be willing to answer them.
You said Kath that they that both houses right now are on city sewer. >> Yes. Okay. They tied in. We have >> There's no septic system. >> No, there's no septic on there. Correct. >> Right. What happened was is that um you know we went around with MUA and we went
around with the history of this property. Uh we did a lot of research before tying into things. Uh, so they are all legal and Okay. >> All right. Thank you, Cat. Um, Bob Kingsbury, we have a use variance here
and we have a bulk variance. The bulk variance being for the setbacks sidelines. >> Sure. Um, but the use variance does require a balancing by the board and Kathy Nukem has talked about positive and negative criteria. Uh, can you just
give us a a short uh explanation of the issues that the board needs to vote on and then I'll ask for a motion. >> It's uh it's a certain type of use rights. It's expansion of a non-conforming use. Non-conforming use
means the two houses existed before it became a ill deal to do that. So they're expanding the nonconforming use and uh have a setback variance. So you can grant you have to decide that there's a
positive benefit from allowing them to do that and there's no substantial negative impact from doing that and you can vote it all in one motion. Okay. Any questions of the board that the
board has of that explanation? All right. Um I'm looking for a motion to >> There's a form you should open up to the public. >> Yes, you're right. Uh it will be the meeting will be open to the public at this point. If there's
any people, anyone online, um I'll take the people in the audience first. There's no one here. Close the section for the public here and we'll go online. If there's anybody, please unmute. Nobody's online. All right. So, public
is public meeting section is closed. Um, I'm looking for a a motion to approve the bulk and uh Dvariance um on the basis that the testimony
provided by all the witnesses um supports the grant of the variance. >> I make the motion. >> Can we have a second? Uh, sorry. You can't make a motion on this. It's only
seven members of the board that can do that. >> I'll make that motion. >> I'll second. >> Roll call. >> Mr. Novarita, >> yes. >> Mr. Traco, >> yes. >> Mrs. Luton, >> yes. >> Mr. R. Murphy? >> Yes. >> Mr. C. Murphy? >> Yes. >> Miss Kosco?
>> Yes. >> And Mr. McKay? >> Yes. >> All right. You have your uh you have your variances. Thank you. I appreciate it. Just there's one other thing I would like to ask for or request a a waiver to proceed at this point.
>> Is that a possibility? >> Yes, it is a possibility. Um someone uh member want to make a motion to grant that waiver that you you proceed you want the waiver to proceed with construction. Now, you do that you
do that at your own risk because we haven't signed the the resolution. And it won't be signed for >> probably 30 days, something like that. Do you understand? >> Absolutely. >> And you're willing to go ahead. >> I did explain to him. >> Okay.
>> I'll make that motion. >> All right. We have a motion for Mr. Novarita. Second. >> I'll second that. >> And roll call, please. >> Mr. Novarita? >> Yes. >> Mr. Traco? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Levin? >> Yes. >> Mr. R. Murphy? Yes. Mr. C. Murphy? Yes. Miss Costco? Yes. And Mr. McKay?
>> Yes. All right. Very much. >> You have everything you need. >> Appreciate it. Thank you. >> You know what, sir? I Let me give you back your >> Give you back your binder. >> Get it back.
>> They're expensive. >> Thank you very much. >> Appreciate you. >> Here. Yeah, just stop. >> All right. Um >> let's uh let's carry on here. Um
we have um minutes of the um of the August 6th meeting. Was a little bit of a delay getting those minutes to us. behind. >> Um but no one's no fault of anyone's for that.
>> I just want to u point out on the second case um for Seagull Holdings, their professional is Mr. Jeff and I wrote Mr. Jeff. So I just have to go in and correct that otherwise. >> All right. With that, with that
acknowledged, a correction to be made in the minutes, and I have a motion to approve the minutes as prepared. >> Make a motion. >> Thank you. >> Second, >> Miss L. >> Yes. Roll call. >> Mr. Novarita.
>> Yes. >> Mrs. Lein. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Tor, Mrs. Mrs. Tory. >> Yes. >> Mayor Gilmore. >> Yes. >> Mr. Dakochi. >> Yes. >> Mr. C. Murphy. >> Yes. >> Miss Costco. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mai >> and Mr. McKay.
>> Yes. Now, we have two resolutions to approve. The first one is uh 25 2025-30 Hannesport Family Apartments LLC. Uh it's granting some administrative
amendments to the final site plan. Um motion to approve. >> Some moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. Mrs. Tory, >> yes. >> Mayor Gilmore, >> yes. >> Mr. Novarita, >> yes. >> Mrs. Lutin, >> yes. >> Mr. Chakochi, >> yes.
>> Mr. R. Murphy, >> yes. >> Mr. C. Murphy, >> yes. >> Mr. Holding, >> yes. >> And Mr. McCay, >> yes. Uh, next we have the Verizon uh issue. That's resolution 2025-31.
that, as you may recall, uh postponed the Verizon hearing after we spent quite a bit of time already trying to get the uh the matter resolved. So, um Paula, when when was Verizon moved to?
Was it January? >> Yeah, April, I think. >> Or April April. >> That's right. Because I I had a March conflict and >> Yes. >> Okay. So, uh, a motion to, uh, grant the, uh, resolution,
uh, 2025-31 on Verizon would be in order. >> Make a motion. >> Motion's made. Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> I'm sorry. Who made second? >> Mr. Novarita. >> Yes. >> Mr. Holden? >> Yes.
>> Mrs. Tory? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Levin? >> Yes. >> Mayor Gilmore? >> Yes. >> Mr. Choi? >> Yes. >> Mr. R. Murphy. >> Yes. >> Mr. C. Murphy. >> Yes. and Mr. McKay. >> Yes. >> November 6th. >> That's right.
>> Yes. Um, next we have uh ABCD correspondence. If anybody has an interest in speaking to any particular item, please say so. Otherwise, a motion to receive and file the batch A to D would be in order.
>> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. Not quite sure who made that, but >> doesn't matter. >> Mayor. >> Mayor. >> All right. Roll call. >> Miss Costco. >> Yes. >> Uh, Mayor Gilmore. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Tory.
>> Yes. >> Mr. Novarita. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Lutton. >> Yes. >> Mr. Chochi. >> Yes. >> Mr. Murphy. C. Murphy. >> Yes. >> Mr. R. Murphy. >> Yes. >> And uh, Miss Costco. >> Yes. >> Mr. McCay. >> Yes.
>> All right. I just want to take a moment um to thank our mayor, Leela Gilmore, for her service on this board. >> You're quite welcome. >> And u honor. >> We're going to really miss you. Uh I guess you will not be here probably next
year, but >> well, >> but I suppose it's also possible. But in the event that you in the event that you are not on the board next year, this board, uh we thank you for your service. Well, it's been quite an honor and a
privilege and uh I would like to have a photo taken. >> Yes. >> Oh, >> of all of us together. So, I have another memory. >> All right. So, we we can adjourn and then gather along the wall here, >> have a picture taken.
>> Oh, no. >> All right. >> We need to grab somebody. >> There's nobody to grab. >> Yeah. All right. >> Well, we'll have to do a >> somebody have a phone. somebody out and then they get back in a timer. >> Do you know how to use your timer on your phone? My phone. >> All right. Well, let's let's wrap up and
then we can worry about the phone in a moment. >> Oh, perfect. >> Mr. Kingsbury, have a merry Christmas. >> Thanks. >> Good to have you here. Thank you for all your help. >> I appreciate the recent correspondence. >> Really? >> Uh and you know, I'll just put that away
till April, so to speak. Um any questions or comments from the board? Otherwise, uh, I'd like to adjourn the meeting. >> I would like to say thank you to all the board members to Paul Tyber. >> One of the things that I've realized
this year, we have really had some long meetings. Probably 23 some of the longer meetings that we have. >> So, I think a nice short meeting tonight well deserved for all. I thank you. All good holidays. Bless
you all. >> Indeed. >> All right. Uh have a motion to adjourn. Uh with my thanks to everybody and having and also my wishes to everybody for uh merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, happy new year. >> Same >> indeed.
>> Motion. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to >> second. >> All in favor? >> Any opposed? >> The eyes have >> All right. Do you have a phone? >> Correct. Do you have a phone stand? >> Well, I was thinking,
>> hey, Steve, do you have a black on the podium? >> Okay. >> I don't want to sign this stuff in red. I have my phone here. Back the podium up a little bit. >> Yeah. Who's going to leap over the