Well, you know what? meeting of the Hannesport Township Joint Land Use Board to order. If we'll have the flag salute to start to flag
to the republic for it stands one nation indivisibley justice for all >> Paula would you uh read the sunshine law >> notice of this meeting meeting was published in accordance to the open public meetings
All right. We have a um a board rule announced at the beginning of every year that there'll be no new business after 10:30, which means that we will not start something after 10:30. It will be carried to the next meeting, but we will finish matters that have been started
before 10:30. May I have a roll call? Paula. >> Mrs. Tory >> here. >> Mr. Narita here. >> Mrs. Lutin >> here. >> Mr. Morelli >> here. >> Mr. Jacobi >> here. Mr. R. Murphy >> here. >> Mr. T. Murphy >> here. >> Miss Costco >> here.
>> Mrs. Gilmore >> here. >> Mr. Holden absent. Mr. Mai >> here. >> Mr. Porto >> and Mr. McKay >> here. >> All right, I'm moving on to items for business. The first matter 6A on the
agenda, case 26-02, Shop Properties Hansport LLC. Mr. Floyd, you here with your clients? >> Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. For the record, my name is Michael Floyd. I'm an attorney with
Archer and Grinder appearing on behalf of the applicant Shaw Properties Hannesport LLC, which has submitted an application for minor site plan approval and bulk variance approval for property located at two merry way and identified as block 98 lot 2.03. 3 on the
township's official tax maps. The property is located in the I-industrial zoning district and it's currently improved with an approximately 40,000 square foot light industrial building. Uh the applicant is before you this evening really to seek site uh approval for site improvements to bring some
value added uh some value added improvements to the property which is currently vacant. Uh in particular, we're proposing a new parking lot area with 13 parking spaces, uh a new loading dock, uh as well as a change in impervious coverage where some asphalt
is located. Uh you'll also hear testimony this evening that the applicant intends to beautify the property by painting the building and adding some additional uh landscaping. With me this evening, we do have uh two witnesses. We have Akbar Shaw on behalf
of the applicant. Uh Abbar will be providing testimony about his future use and enjoyment of the property. Uh his current businesses on the west coast, why he's moving here to Hannesport Township. Uh and he'll provide testimony regarding the operational uh nature of the business, hours of operation, number
of employees, number of shifts, uh he'll describe the truck traffic, uh who his customers are, uh etc. And then our second witness is going to be Brian Conland. Brian is a licensed professional engineer with Langan Engineering and Brian is the engineer of record and he'll be walking us through
the uh site plans that were submitted with the application. Uh our goal with our testimony this evening both Akbar and Brian will be to supplement the responses in our technical review letters or responses to the technical review letters that were submitted to the board um earlier this afternoon.
>> One last housekeeping matter. >> Oh, go ahead. You finish and then I I have a a comment. We do have five exhibits that we will be referring to this evening. Exhibit A1 is an aerial photograph of the property and the surrounding uses. Exhibit A2 is the
survey existing conditions plan that was submitted with the application. A3 is the site plan, A4 is the lighting plan, and A5 are photographs of each side of the building facade. And while we will have those exhibits mounted on board uh
and Brian will be referring to them, I have reduced. >> Thank you for that courtesy. >> I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman. That was the last housekeeping matter. The only thing I was going to say is um I didn't get a chance I actually didn't
see your letter uh until earlier this evening. Um and I know it was delivered I guess earlier today maybe um when you have testimony uh from
your uh your engineer Mr. Conland if he could work with the two Archer Grinder letters and uh deal paragraph by paragraph number with those
matters where there is some disagreement. >> Yes. >> Uh so that we have agreed as many are. uh we don't need to deal with those but if there's a an exception or an alternative would you please address those and that way we can systematically
go through this uh both the letter on the engineering items and the letter on the planners >> we'll do >> on the planning items >> we'll do and we'll also provide testimony on the record regarding uh some bulk variances that we are requesting
>> yes you of course you'll go to that but >> we will go through the letters in a streamlined focusing on those items where we want to have a discussion uh about our comments or the response but otherwise we do agree to comply with the
uh conditions in those review letters and if the board grants the requested uh relief this evening we would agree to revise the site plans accordingly. >> Thank you very much. Um Paul up you do you have a small copy of >> yes >> the exhibits for the record? >> Yes. >> Okay.
All right, Mr. Thank you. If there's no other questions, I'd like to call up my name. describe your current business, where it's located, and what you do. >> Sure. So, our company is a hotel and
lodging supply company. So, currently we're out in LA, California. Um, and we're looking to expand our business out the east coast. So, we sell products to hotels, motel across the country. linens, textiles, amenities, different
guest products to business. Um, it's a wholesale business. We sell businesses. Um, and our goal is to expand our business out. We've been looking at a lot Jersey
option logistics a good place for us to do our business and we found this warehouse check all the boxes all our needs. It's very very similar to our existing
warehouse in California both in function and size as well. So our goal is to businessed No. We anticipate to have about five to eight employees warehouse. It might
scale up over time. uh approximately 7 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. Saturday or Sunday >> Sure. So we have a box truck that we use for local deliveries. We also bring containers.
No plans to roughly generally dropped off at our dock. Our goal is to have it not pick up. >> Exactly. ASAP within an hour. We're also loading.
We are just using based on the number of employees. I think a similar question No, I think that's necessary. >> I don't think it's necessary. Generally the way our operation works is
the warehouse manate hours. >> Sure. So, we have a very uh limited trash In terms of volume, it's a wholesale operation, so we don't generate tremendous amount of trash. Daily small amount
I don't think there's a need. >> We do. So, we currently want to repaint the building. We wanted we want the color to match something. And last question. Well, Mr. Floyd, I I have a question and
then um then we'll we'll turn it over to to u other members and the professionals. Um are you proposing or will you be proposing uh some facade sign or other signage?
right now. >> Okay. All right. All right. Let's start with our professionals on this. Um, can our planner go first? >> Um, yeah. I think the one I assume you're bring
What we don't want to happen next 48 Are you fine? As long as >> so 48 hours from arrival of the container or 48 hours from emptying the container. >> 48 hours from It was difficult to
determine exactly when it was dropped off and unloaded. So, you know, roughly 48 hours. >> That's a good question. They don't have Saturday and Sunday operations. So, >> two business days.
>> That was all. All right. Um, our engineer. So I have concerns because as much as I'm out on site and seeing traffic is that we have
ABC around one of these trucks. There's everything's really concern's Well, how would you do it? Would you put it one of these little box arrangements
where the fence uh takes a turn, goes back to give space for a car, and then comes back out to the perimeter? >> It's not a diff. probably section. >> Sure. We
>> make sure that I'm not So that's something like 20 ft or 25 ft. >> Weident pulls in there inadvertently thinks they made the back. >> Yeah. And I assume you want the gate to
swing into the property, not out of out out toward the street. Mr. Floyd, I'd ask your client to seriously consider that change because >> we we understand the board's public safety concerns. So uh when Brian Connley comes up, uh he'll review where the current gate is located and he'll
show where it can be moved back. Uh so we eliminate that uh requested uh relief. Um we'll just want to confirm that we're not going to lose any parking spaces in the rear. I think we can make it work and still keep those 13 parking spaces. Uh for some reason we lose a parking space, we would have to adjust
the need for our variance, but we again have more than sufficient parking spaces. So uh again, Brian will testify that from an engineering perspective, but you are okay with moving that gate slightly in so that a car if it pulls in
there won't be sticking out into >> Thank you for that concession. All right. Um, Mr. Floyd, um, I want to ask members of the board if they have any questions of Mr. Shaw. Now, go
around. Anybody raise a hand, please? >> It's Are any of the products in here perishable or they all dry goods? Mostly linens like you said or >> Yeah, they're all dry.
>> Any food at all? >> Looking around. Other questions? Kathy, other questions? >> All right, >> call for next witness. >> This is Mr. Conland. >> Mr. Conland, have you here before this board before? >> I have. Yes.
>> Please be sworn in and we'll get you qualified. >> I do. >> Mr. Conland, give us a short description of your professional background and um if you remember when you appeared before this board, let us know. >> Uh yes, sir. Uh Brian Conland for the
record. C N L. I'm an associate principal with Lang and Engineering and Environmental Services. I have a bachelor of civil engineering degree from Villanova University and I I'm a licensed uh professional engineer in the state of New Jersey as many many adjoining states. Um I've been with
Langan going gone on 28 years. I can't believe saying that in May. Um so 27 and a half years. Um and I have been before this board actually in this in the Merry Way project right down the street. I forget what year, but if I had to guess, 2021, 2022, and then I actually worked on the ShopRite and expansion before
this board probably 10 to 15 years ago. So, good to see if anyone's been here. Good to see you again. >> All right, Mr. >> Will. Granted. >> Thank you. >> Walk through your prep.
Can I am I if I talk loud to walk over and I can point? >> No, absolutely. But we have a mic that we might be able to give you. >> This packet of um blowup exhibits is the same but in a larger version as you've provided war
just a little while ago. >> That is correct. >> Thank you. Good. Good. Okay. Okay. So, this is the aerial plan. I'll just give uh I think it's always best for the context of the site. Um I'm going to talk about a few things. the a the employee lot and the
loading side of the or the employees the employee parking side of the site and the loading side. North is up on this plan. So the north side I'm going to say is the loading side as I you know give my testimony and then the south side down here is where the parking will be. Um the frontage again is just the
frontage along Merry Way and then the rear is adjacent to our neighboring property. >> Your building is the square white roofed building. >> That is correct. Yes. 40,000 square feet almost to the nose plus or minus but it's right around 40,000 square feet. Um and as you see today uh again Perry
Videex if I'm not Perry Videex is using this property as storage of for their uh materials and you kind of see there are some drive lanes in here and whatnot that are gravel and pvious surfaces. Some areas are green areas where they're storing their facilities. On the lower
site, the lower corner of the building here, and you kind of see a container there shown on the aerial, that's where the loading dock is today. It's a big open paved area, like a triangle section here um that I'll talk about in a minute that we're expanding for loading uh
operations for the Shaw uh uh warehouse. And then again, today again, it's all paved in the back here, and we're just striping the new parking spaces, which I'll jump to now. Actually, before I go to that, here is just I'm going to go a little out of order. Our photo exhibit
plan, also in the package. It's entitled EX02. >> This is exhibit A5 now. >> Exhibit A5. And just to give you uh the pictures before I show you the site plan. So, this go through this is the front side of the building. This is actually Merry Way side. No improvements
being cons or contemplated there. The next one is that north side I showed you where the existing loading docks are. There's two uh man not man doors, two dock doors, if you will and one man door as you see there. And again that triangle of paved area is kind of this
area in front of that dock that for the previous building I'd assume they use for loading. Uh this picture here is the rear on the Perry Videk side. Again, nothing's really happening there as part of our project. And then this is the side on the south side which is the parking side. Um and again you see there
there's also a man door and three overhead doors there. And they're the docks that uh Obar testified that they'll not be using you know for uh for loading or using the dock doors. They'll only be using that for the employees in and out. And that's photos of the site.
And now would be my site plan which is exhibit >> A3 >> A3. And that also was our site plan that we submitted as part of our um application package to you folks. So again, the overall get my cheat sheet here. Just some context. The overall
site, it's kind of a odd shape merry way on the bottom here. This is the 40,000 square foot building. There's an existing storm water management basin in this corner, this little smaller area of the site, an existing storm water management facility. again the existing
dock here and where we're proposing parking spaces here and I'll show that there again it's an existing asphalt area alls we're doing is striping 13 parking spaces um that's what you see here 9 by8 stalls there's a a large access drive of 34 feet and um that's
utilized by an existing curb cut we just talked about where that fence is um and actually I'll I'll I'll start I'll stay there for a minute um with that fence and again as the discussion was the fence is I don't have the exact dimension, but it's approximately 10 feet to 15 feet if I had to guess from
the Merryway cartway. So, as we just discussed, um we have no issue with moving that fence in. You know, we'll work with Mike and Scott whether it's 10, 15, 20 feet, but there's no issue to move that fence in and a gate to push it into the site and away from Merry Way.
And still respecting the site triangles. I know we have to add as a comment to the plan. I do want to mention at that corner of the site there's some existing trees. We are removing them to also uh help with the visibility for that intersection. So again in that rear area is the main parking area for the site
and again we're just doing the 13 um stalls including an an accessible parking spot as well. >> Mr. Colin, overall uh does the condition of the pavement require any repairs? >> I mean not that we know of. Again, we'd be happy to work with Mike and go out to the site and but you know, in talking
with Obar, he thinks it's fine for his operations. And again, from a visual inspection, we didn't see anything necessary. >> Please. >> I think that's that's what I heard and I have no problem with that. >> Yes.
question. >> I think we could work and I mean look at both option. Oh, I'm sorry. >> That's again we haven't reviewed it but we'll explore both alternatives for sure. Whatever works best. >> Sure.
>> I mean we hit We have a pro I mean probably 60 feet from the building to the property line. Absolutely. We'll we'll explore whatever option works best for the client and for the town. Um okay, that was the rear. And then in the front again the main activity of the
site again because again I want to emphasize it's an existing site. We're not doing much um besides striping on this side. We are intending to add a new uh loading dock door. Um again I showed there were two existing ones. We are adding a new one and to make the truck
turns actually to make it a safer um uh movements for the trucks because they come in and they'll have to back into this space for tractor trailers. So we're taking some of this existing some of the existing gravel and some of the existing lawn and adding some impervious surface over here to make that truck
movement work. That's what these shaded areas represent. So we're basically converting them from lawn to asphalt for the truck movements. And then you see there's another kind of hatched pattern here which we're kind of offsetting that impervious surface with new lawn areas on the existing imperous surface. So
we're actually decreasing imperous surface by about 120 square feet at the end of the day. It's basically a wash but again we are slightly decreasing the impervious coverage for the site. And again that's all for the truck access points. >> Mr. Conlin while you're on that we we
sort of get this done in chunks and finished that way. Um, I think we had an issue that was raised by the environmental committee with regard to that area to be grasped or not to be grasped. So, I I'm going to ask our
environmental committee member um to to address this and then maybe the planner can also comment on it as well. >> Sure. Um, so there is an existing detention base in there um that looks like it hasn't been maintained. That was
one of our concerns was that that be brought up to being more functional. I'm not sure based on some of the other >> Yeah. If that's part of the property's responsibility >> that that is part the basin is on our
our property to the two way property. It does get storm water from the site and from the Perry Videk sites and I'm sure they'll testify it's all part of craft access easements and things like that per the title. So in terms of maintenance, there were questions raised in the review letters regarding uh
whether there was any existing easements in place for Merry Way uh as well as for uh ongoing maintenance of the storm management basin on the property. The answer to both is yes. Uh there is an existing it's actually an access and landscaping easement in the chain of title and we
would agree to provide a copy of that to the board and the board professionals for their files. Uh that specifically allows for access from lot 2.03 3 out to Merry Way. Uh and there's also a separate um maintenance agreement from facilities that calls out the responsibilities for maintenance um cost
sharing etc. So >> so those two please provide both of the both those agreements. >> Yes, we will >> be appended as exhibits. >> Yes. And to the extent that the uh we will monitor the basin during the next rain event to the extent that it's not functioning properly properly obviously
would have to be uh remediated. But uh there was another again in the review letter regarding some debris on the property. Uh the applicant is the contract purchaser of the property uh and it will be cleaned uh of that debris prior to closing.
>> Was there was there another matter? Well, if we can just circle back if I can maint functioning fine but there is some woody underd that's fine We'd be willing to have the
contract engineer come out to look at the basin and the extent that you know it has to be cleaned out removed. will obviously do that at that time but also maintain it on an basis pursuant to the easement agreement.
>> And then the easement agreement just basically both Scott I believe both a little bit of merry way and a little bit of the Perry Vitex site. All right. So any bas >> there there is >> there is an agreement in the chain of
title that burdens all those lots. And then the second thing um so the proposal is to remove the stone put in grass and the environmental commission would like to recommend that instead of turf
grass that instead a bioil in that area that has native grasses it's not used for tables and things like that that would help direct the storm
water from the new the building towards that basin and provides some infiltration grasses turf grass in general you know won't grow over that stone unless it's tilled pretty well because it's pretty compacted at this point I assume
>> u yes um don't disagree with you um again but the the way that the topography works basically the from the building it just slopes to the basin by putting a swale in there you're not the pavement also So you'd have to regrade to make a swale beneficial. A swale you
would be cutting in the lawn area and it really would just be catching lawn which in kind of defeats the purpose of collecting the impervious surface. You would have to change some grades which we're not planning on doing. We're you know matches the existing grades. >> What what are you planning to do as far as the stone and
>> we're converting the stone to a lawn? We'll remove it and plant so you know soil with top soil with a lawn or a seed which we consider will b give the proper storm water management controls. Again, a bio swale, I'm for them, but I don't think it would it's beneficial here
because there'd be no impervious surface draining to it if that makes sense. >> How how is the water flowing from the building into the current? >> It it basically just sheets flow. I actually have the topography. I know you you probably can't see the topography plan.
Um but this this is our existing condition survey exhibit >> A2 >> A2 which again also was in our our packet uh submission. Um I'm using this again the contours show basically this whole area here sheets flows directly to
the basin and you'd alter grades to make a swale like to direct water to that you'd be altering the grades to get water into the soil if that makes sense. >> That li of planting turf grass which has roots you two deep that you plant some
native grasses and things that have better infiltration so that the water's flowing through. It's more managed on the site. You know, since that was put in, you know, storm water management rules have improved in order >> changed a little bit. Well, yeah. The
point is to try and manage all the storm water on site rather than put it into the, you know, >> and our client has just confirmed we have no issue with that as well. Different than just the lawn. Absolutely. And we'll work with Scott and Mike on
>> that area where we do that. >> Sure. And if there is an opportunity and maybe not a convey >> All right. So that's agreed. That's one that's wonderful. Thank you.
Um and I think I was just going to go ahead on lighting was the last thing just talking last I mean the only other improvement um >> actually I want to mention one other thing we are on that dock side we are adding um where that mandor is when we're adding the docks that mandor which
now sits four feet above where the docks are and it'll be we're cutting that out so that mandor we're just adding a little concrete pad and steps for that one man door on that side and then the only last saying we are show um improving the building with new lights
um >> exhibit A4 >> exhibit A4 and there are existing flood lights that I believe are being removed. Um I think that was a comment in one of the letters. We will comply and as our plan displays we have a series of wall packs on both the loading side and the
parking side um that meet your ordinance requirements um cut off fixtures, LED fixtures on the wall. And that's the other improvement uh we're proposing. Are um are professionals okay with the lighting plan? >> Just very briefly, if you just go back
to the existing conditions plan. >> Yes. >> The survey or the aerial. >> Uh the survey, please. >> Yes. >> There are two pre-existing non-conforming conditions. Uh with this building, uh there's a front yard setback of uh 20.1 feet when 50 feet is required and a rear yard setback of
18.1, excuse me, 18.51 ft when 25 ft is required. Brian, can you just point out in this exhibit where those setbacks are? >> Uh yes, the front as Mike mentioned again is along the merry way frontage. Um again, the existing building is um the I forget the numbers. Oh, what did you say? The
>> uh 20.1 ft. the 20.1 ft from the building and then the back is approximately 18 feet um from the rear setback. Again, an existing building and existing nonconformity. We're not changing anything with the building. Can I can I ask a question real quick
about the um when you guys the traffic plan? The only reason I'm bringing this up is because right right on the edge of this property is there's a couple of residential houses right here and I I kind of grew up playing baseball in that field in front of this building when I
was a kid. But that that area to me doesn't seem like an area that's like active with tractor trailers on a day-to-day basis right now. Would you say that's fair? >> First, could you just pull up so everyone can see at the um exhibit A1? >> In which area you
>> right there when you pull on the merry way off. Yeah, those two houses right there. >> Yeah. So, all I'm asking is the truck report, the the traffic report that says 18 trucks at the bottom there, total trucks. So, I'm just asking like when the tractor
and trailers pull in there, do we see those tractor and trailers pulling in and dumping and leaving or do we see long idle times? Because those people right there, I don't think they're used to like a lot of tractor trailer traffic that's right there. You know, I mean, if
anything, they're rolling past >> going by. So, now you're dealing with air brakes and and and idling in the winter time. Like, I don't know how long those trucks are going to be plan on staying there. But, I'm just trying to say if a resident have a point to complain if there's a lot of trucks that are just hanging out
idling in and because I don't think they're used to having truck traffic just sitting there right there. >> Um so I'll speak to the 18 whatever the the table. So the table you're looking at in the traffic report is basically an IT rate >> based on you know typical warehouse uses. Um
Akbar the Shaw's um pack's operations again I they anticipate no more than three to six trucks per day. So again, that's an average from what you're looking at there, just to clarify that. Um, I'll have to let him answer on the idling and the delivery times and things
of that nature, how long they take. So yeah, one of the reasons we're putting three docks in instead of two is the way we like to do it is the trucks generally are the same truck drivers and the same companies every day. So they just come, they just back up to the dock
itself and then just go straight in. Um, we don't like to have them stage in front of our warehouse. California space a lot of staging space in California mainly because there's no point for it. So trucks just come in they back up they pick up their load drop off.
Um I will say there is probably a reasonable amount of traffic already. So a lot of the same trucks that are going to pick up from us are still going down the road. So I wouldn't say a lot of it's not brand new truck traffic. It's going to be the same. FedEx already goes down the street.
just have one more stop on our warehouse. Um, so I wouldn't say it's going to be a detriment to existing scenario now. There might be a little bit additional. It's not something where it's a lot more.
Again, this really is compared to other warehouses, flex buildings of a similar size. It really is a very low intensity use. Um, again talking about three to six uh deliveries per day. And Mr. Murphy, I understand you're concerned with the residents, but it is substantially less than the 18 in the IT
manual. So, um, >> Mr. Mr. Murphy's point ordain trees in that area. I think the
slight recig would agree it's a condition of approval to work with your office and office on additional landscaping buffering that's reasonable again >> there's already a significant buffer >> yeah I was just going to add on the
opposite side of mayor way there is again >> I think that's all I think that is >> so it's agreed as a condition >> we understand is uh the concern we would agree to work with the the board's professionals on a reasonable solution
>> maybe even if you want to >> confirm it I think >> we're good with that. >> All right, Mr. Conn, continue. >> Um, that was it. I'll go through the variances real quick. >> The variances, we've already talked
about the pre-existing non-conforming conditions. They're not being exacerbated in any way. Uh we've also heard testimony from Abar regarding the uh sufficiency of the 13 parking spaces instead of 54 and for the three loading
births instead of seven. Um Brian, can you speak to those but also the other variances that were requesting with respect to uh not placing Belgium block or curbing around the parking lot area and the trash enclosure? Uh yes, for the curbing, uh again, I mean, no curbing
today. Basically, as I testified to, uh the whole area back there is just a pavement surface with no curbing. To add curbing, you know, we would uh be introducing drainage and whatnot, and we'd have to drain piping all the way to the basin. We don't again, alls we're doing is restriping existing asphalt.
So, we're requesting the waiver from the curbing. That's not there. and pretty much consistent with all the surrounding uses besides Merry Way, you know, the the the Merry Way Cartway. Um the other one was the trash enclosure. Uh again, um in hearing, uh uh Obar's testimony,
uh they have limited trash. They would like to handle everything within the building. Um and again, that was the another requested waiver from having a dedicated enclosure out in the parking field. So all um trash um compactors,
dumpsters etc will be kept inside the building. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> And I don't think there would be any compactors just >> Yeah. very it's very light >> engineers okay with that. >> It's it's unusual. Um if they really
don't generate that much sometimes their pallets and other things if they're willing to keep it inside the building it doesn't want to enterain if at any point in time the zoning officer determines that there is a need for trash
in to the board to amend it. I think Michael and I find a spot on the site. the applicant would be fine with that as a condition of approval that you know if it turns out that that is determined to be necessary by the zoning officer or
the township that uh the applicant would have Brian revise the plans to show a trash enclosure and we would agree that would have to be reviewed um by the board professionals >> and you wouldn't have to come back to the board for such a minor >> handled administratively >> right
>> also if Mr. sells this in two years or 22 years avail. offices per And I guess another question I would ask is is um do they collect pallets? In
other words, is there a pallet storage area or >> Okay. So, all right. That answers >> understood. And obviously with the construction code and your office reviewing everything in the fire marshal we have to comply with all the
requirements for fire suppression. >> U Mr. Shaw is this building sprinkler? You're adding >> you're adding so it will be sprinkler and they're you're going to design it to suit whatever your storage >> whatever type of material you're store
>> and you've already had discussions correct >> yeah that's good to know >> Brian I think the last uh design waiver is >> Yep. uh uh and for the for the the requirement for sidewalks. Um uh Abar
has testified as well, but again I think as you can see from the aerial there are no sidewalks along Mary Way. Um don't think it's really safe to add sidewalks just for this building. I also note there's really no sidewalks along Hesport Mount Laurel where folks are coming in from. Uh so that would be a
waiver request as well. Just very briefly. >> Yeah. Well, do you want to do the variances as well or just the waiverss? I think the justifications for the >> comra the curve line is right up there and it
doesn't really make sense to put one here but you know there is a chance that there could be further industrial development to the east at some future mass
and I don't know which side of ways are sidewalk. constru that's fine. I would just add that subject to um any other existing title conditions uh making sure that it
doesn't conflict. piece of ground, >> right? But understand where it could go in the future at least having gives us I'm not think >> no Brian would agree to revise the plans
to show sidewalk easement. Just can't this point tell you what the width would be or what other impediments there may be. Work with your office. >> Yeah, I got Scott. Is that something just adding a note you think on the record plan so to speak or do you want something more specific?
Well, we we'll we'll we'll work with you guys. Yeah. >> Oh, yes. Um so, also requesting a waiver from an environmental impact statement. Um again, as the site is developed, we have very minimal site improvements, very minimal environmental impacts. Uh
we're asking for relief from re uh preparing a full EIS for this project. Um, not for a reconiguration of an existing >> and so the v the um the variance we're requesting two variances um one I think
it's been mentioned requirement the requ for parking stalls um for your your ordinance requirement is one per 70 750 square feet which requires 54 parking spaces. Obviously, you've heard the testimony tonight. We
anticipate six to eight employees. Really no visitors to this site. Um and we are providing a total of 13. So, we're requesting a variance um from the 54 to provide 13 parking spaces including the one accessible space. And then also for loading docks, um the
requirement is one for one per the first 7,000 square feet and then one additional for each 10,000 square feet upon that which requires six. Um again, we have two existing. There are those existing ones in the back. Um but we are not using those, so I'm not counting
those. Um so we do have the two existing and we're adding one. So we'll only be have having three loading docks, not meeting the ordinance requirement. again from the testimony based on his operations, they're not necessary. Um so we're requesting a variance um for that as well.
And with regards to um again with regards to the municipal land use law promoting health, safety, and general welfare, again, we think the the relief is merited because um less impervious surface to add these additional docks and these additional parking spaces that
are not needed. um you know so it could be an environmental detriment as well. Also with our layout as is it provides adequate circulation and and um um and the the necessary employee or the necessary parking and loading for his
operations. Um for the negative criteria no substantial detriment to the public good. Again similarly the the loading do we're not really intensifying the use with the docks or the parking spaces. They're consistent and with his operations. Um, again, I'll go back to
the impervious surface as well. Um, with adding those additional to meet the ordinance intent, uh, we would need additional impervious surface, additional spaces that aren't required. So, we don't see any negative benefit or negative, uh, negative detriments as well to that and no harm to the public.
And finally, um, warehouses are permitted permitted use in your ordinance. Um, it is an existing building and it's a permitted use. His operations are permitted use. Um and your master plan also talks about maintaining strict performance standards for the development of industrial office
and commercial uses. This project in our opinion upgrades the existing site. It's cleaning up the site that you know today is a little haphazard as you can even even see by the aerial with the outdoor storage containers and things like that. We're bringing in a good use um cleaning
up the site and providing the adequate parking and loading for his operations. All right. Um, you finished? >> It's finished. We can certainly answer any questions that the board members or professionals may have. >> Let's go around. Let's start.
What do you think? Let's go around the table. Anybody else? We got to everything landscaping. I know we talked about in terms of street trees. The site is almost 202.
try to get something. I think 22 would be excessive site in consideration of some of the other improvements uh that he's undertaken but uh we will be willing to work with with you and your office on some additional landscaping. You also mentioned some
foundation plantings around uh the building and we certainly look at adding uh some street trees. Yeah, I'd rather get a hand street. >> We're going to remove probably once Mr. on there. We'll evaluate how many of those trees need to be removed. You may
be able to get one street and then basically you know carry a few of those maybe put a couple on that left side of the plan so it helps break that up. If we could just an understandable
partial waiver street. We'll work with your office on the location. We want to make sure that we can fit that number in there without any issues with some of the other existing. >> Yeah, I think I think we're talking the word approximately has to go with all
these. >> Thank you. Now, uh I didn't want to interrupt the flow of your presentation, Mr. Floyd, but I did want to get back to the curbing issue. >> Yes. So, uh our request would be for a design exception from providing sidewalk
um number one sidewalk in front of the property, but with the understanding that we will revise the plans to show an approximate location of a sidewalk easement. >> Right. I think we've taken care of that. We've taken care of the trash enclosure issue >> and and with with the Belgium block or curbing around the parking lot area. Again, this is an existing parking lot.
Uh it just hasn't been striped. So, we are striping it for uh 13 parking spaces along with uh uh you know, some of the lighting improvements. We still think there's a need right now for Belgian block curbing around this parking lot area. This is not a retail component. It's wholesale. The only people parking
in this lot are going to be the employees. So, they're going to be very familiar with it. Uh and even if we put that curving or Belgium block in there, no one from the public would ever be able to see it. Uh uh because again it's not a retail operation. >> Yeah. Maybe maybe I'm um addressing the
curbing issue. >> Where are the striped lots going to be? The strip striped parking spots going to be >> up against the building. >> Uh not no not against the building actually. 34 for there'll be the building edge 34T and then a row of the
13 parking spaces. >> Okay. >> Actually yeah. >> So there's a lane there's a lane of pavement. That's correct. >> Between the parking parked cars and the >> Yep. Again, here's the building here. I mentioned the 34 foot. So, basically, when you would come into that curb cut, you have you're going into a 34 foot
drive lane with your building on the left and a row of 13 parking spaces on the right. >> Is there a per is there a perimeter fence that runs down that line? >> There there's a fence now. Um there is a fence in the there's no fence in the rear, right? >> Yes. There there's actually it's a good
point. We didn't mention that. So, there's a fence along the entire frontage of the site along Merry Way. Um, we'll be editing that for some areas for the loading dock. There's no fence in the rear, but we are adding a fence. Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, Perry Videx, the neighbor, is adding a fence
along the entire rear of the property to separate their parcel from our parcel. >> And then that leaves the side where the parking is going to be. Is that going to be fenced or not? >> Yes, correct. You cannot Yeah, it'd be closed off in the rear. You couldn't continue back.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Really? They're modifying their onsite fencing. I think any fencing chooses to put on their property. >> We just really can't speak to the pra wasn't part of this application.
Yeah, we talked about this >> state for the record that that is the contract purchaser of the property and it's our understanding seller will be installing fence to delineate two properties >> on their property >> on their property line not on the
applicant's property at all. >> All right. That still leaves the curbing issue unresolved. We've resolved all these other waiver issues. Well, the environmental impact statement is still still there. But I want to talk about
the curbing. Um, can our can our planner engineer address the curbing issue on this? I I personally one member I just wonder whether curbing is really something that is necessary for this site in its present condition. But I want to hear
from So it could balloon into a rather large expense. Scott, what's your what's your take on this? All right, members questions on this curbing issue or or anything else.
So I have a question in regards to the building operational as soon as possible. So with that being said in a perfect world acceptable to your office. >> So if the applicant could begin working
the building prior to that would be ideal once his business up and running here. Um obviously his business operations would be limited at some point when they go to undertake all the site improvements. Uh and
that would not be able to occupy building unless there's a TCO issue by the township and that all the appropriate fire suppression systems are installed. He does want to get operational as soon
as possible. And one thing I should have mentioned at the start, um, while Akbar is the while the applicant is the contract purchaser of the property, he does not have an approvals contingency. So, he wants to be in this building. It's an ideal building for him here in the township. A lot of times when this
board hears applications from contract purchaser, there's an approvals contingency. Uh, that is not the case here. So, he is going to be purchasing this building and he would like to be operational for obvious business reasons as soon as possible. Well, Kathy, how how do you I mean this
it could be deemed as a reasonable request, but I could see the problems that could develop with it. Of course, we have all the assumption that we need to have system
So you won't be at any point in socel resolution and time. I think that also
underneath that, >> Mr. Floyd, if the board were to, and I don't know what the board's vote going to be, I can't predict that, but if the board were to agree to the TCO as proposed, um
what kind of a um completion total completion time frame would your client propose? 30 days, 60 days? >> So, question is
deposit. early to system. How long? >> I think that would take days. Asphalt >> asphalt's a problem until it gets to be
March or April, I guess. >> So I heard you estimate 90 days among the other different So we're looking probably some kind Yeah. Or you could just put a date on the counting issue.
So the resolution is adopted >> so we can take a look at the boards requested to be discussed. Next month is a temporary so that you can go building and starting
system etc. Assuming inspections go as planned they would don't have all that work done within that days. for this uh fire suppression company. Correct. >> So he's not waiting for this approval
because again there's no approvals contingency. He will be purchasing the property. So he has been lining up uh contracts. So we would be fine with that 90day time frame uh running from the date the resolution approvals adopted a
month from now basically. Um let me just make get a sense of the sense of the board on this. Does anybody um anybody object for any reason minor or otherwise? That's the easiest way to do it. >> I just want to clarify for the outside
for all site improvements that would happen at the end of that 90 days. Um, I think we would ask for we might need more time for some of the improvements, namely the new asphalt and
creating that small BM. The asphalt is going to be wholly dependent upon when the the plants reopen. Um, and then I don't know how busy they're going to be and how long it's going to take for the to come in. That's why that's why
June operation 30 questions a little longer. scenario. May something >> Yeah, that that's a good way to handle
it. Your point is well taken because but I think it would be the situation the board would expect that the situation at that point would be everything else has been done but the asphalt and the re and the reason is because they have no control over the
availability. Um >> and Mr. Chairman we would >> yeah that would that would probably be looked upon favorably by everyone. >> Correct. And and we would agree also as a condition of approval uh to update the board and board professionals when we have signed contracts with the sprinkler
company when the asphalt company has a signed contract when they're expected to come out. If we encounter delay, we'll let you know in advance. We're not going to spring it on you at the last minute. >> Yeah. >> I'm sure. >> All right. So, what date did we agree
to? June 30th. Instead of the 90-day business, I'd like to put a a date on >> you can diary the >> June 30th >> you can diary the date >> okay June 30th >> I'll be >> all right um
>> excuse me I have a very simple question very simple for myself so when you're talking about the um the parking spaces you're just you said you're just going to put lines there and line them up so you line them up and then they're facing the fence
is it required that when you do a parking space like that, you have to have that little curb in front of the at the end of the parking space. So, in my mind, I'm thinking, could they accidentally just keep going and run into the face the fence? I mean, when you do a parking lot, do you always have
to have those at the end? Just for my information. >> The fence does sit back from the edge of >> Okay. Okay. So, it's not right up against it. Okay. So, but but I guess the curb stop issue, thank you for raising that, is is an
interesting point. And you got 13 defined spaces that are going to be marked out. >> Uh perhaps the the way to deal with this is 13 13 curb spots, one for each one for each space. And but
they'd have to be tied in. They'd have to be spiked. >> Have to be spiked in or pinned in. Yeah. >> Mike and I were talking about that There's no good answer for that because >> they do get hit by
a mess. >> Good idea. good idea in theory, but >> this is not a retail site. So, this is different than a Waw Wa or shopping center to shop, right? So these are going to be the the same employees coming in at the start five six employees every day. >> That's fine. It's just for my
information. I'm learning as I go along here, too. So >> So can I get the board's sense on this curbing waiver issue? I mean, is anybody on the board um advance in support of or advancing the
curbing requirement? I I see I see nobody >> no >> nobody indicating and we've explored the alternative is an excellent addition to the discussion but that doesn't seem to be very
very good either >> all right so Mr. Florida, are you finished? Uh, do you have anything else that you want to present? >> No, I think the only other discussion was the waiver for the environmental impact statement. And again, this is a pre-existing site bringing some uh site improvements to add value to the
property. Um, we respectfully request a waiver from provided EIS. >> So, let me get let me just get the board's sense and anybody expressly concerned about the need for an environmental impact statement? If not, you know, we'll just consider that to be
uh the board would be inclined to wait. Not taking a vote right now. >> Okay. So, any other further questions of Mr. Floyd by the board? I'll get to his professionals in a sec. painted in some areas.
siding. I assume sheet metal building. Sheet metal sighting. >> Absolutely. Miss Miss Leon has asked about I didn't know there was barb wire on but the picture it looks like there's >> Oh yeah removing bar wire
I assume you just leave the support in. You just just cut the wire. Just cut the wire out. >> Okay. All right. So, that's um that's a condition to be included in the resolution.
All right. If there are no other questions from the board, then um I I want to open this to the public for any comments. And Mr. Floyd, if you keep the podium up for a moment. Um, any
members of the public or people who may be participating online wish to raise a question or make a comment about this application or any of the matters we've discussed up to now?
If so, if you're in the audience, raise your hand. I see no hands raised. If you're online, >> there's no one. >> There is no one online. All right. We're going to close the public comment on this. >> Uh any summation that you would like to
make, sir? >> Uh not at this time, Mr. Chairman. Again, uh we put the proofs in the record uh and discussed in detail all the required site improvements. Uh and we appreciate uh the time that the board professionals have given us working with us offline. And uh we would ask the
board the minor site plan and both variance approvals as requested. >> Um Bob, could you um could you educate the board uh just briefly on the um
standards that they need to apply to uh to grant the waiverss that have been discussed and also the uh the variances that have been discussed. again. location. They're asking
landscape. They are 134. The only uh question I had there, Bob, I think we originally had a 90-day clock and then we went to a hard date of June 30th. >> 30th. >> No.
>> Yeah. In terms of the bulk variances, uh, you know, from the testimony from the applicant as well as, uh, the applicant's engineer, we talked about the benefits of granting those variances, uh, I think it's self-explanatory, but again, no need to
add additional impervious coverage if you don't have to for more parking spaces, loading docks, etc. And as Brian testified to, there really are no detriments. So there's no doubt that the benefits of granting the the variances would outweigh any detriment. >> Thank you for that additional comment.
Um board uh have any other questions? Otherwise, I'm going to call for a motion on this. No other questions. Uh then may I have a motion to um approve the application
um and grant the waiverss and the bulk variances uh subject to all the conditions that have been outlined in the give and take today and for the reasons explained uh
uh by our solicitor and u with regard to the varian standards echoed by Mr. Floyd. Somebody can have that motion. >> I'll make that motion. >> Thank you. Second. >> Roll call, please. >> Mrs. Tory,
>> yes. >> Mr. Noita, >> yes. >> Mrs. Leen, >> yes. >> Mr. Morelli, >> yes. >> Mr. Traco, >> yes. >> Mr. R. Murphy. >> Yes. >> Mr. C. Murphy. >> Yes. >> Miss Costco. >> Yes. >> Mr. McG. >> Yes. >> Thank you very much for your time this
evening on behalf of the applicant. We appreciate all the help that the uh the township and its professionals have done over the last couple of months to get us to this point. >> Mr. Floyd, thank you very much. Always a pleasure having you before us. >> Okay, next on our list. >> Although I will say, Mr. Floyd, before
you left, this took a little longer than I thought it would this evening. >> I I always have been loaded for bear trying to keep it as streamlined as possible, but yeah, it took a little bit longer. But again, uh, appreciate all the the good questions and the, uh, the feedback. >> That's all right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Uh, 6B. Um, and I'd like to push through this rather than take a break. If that's anybody objects to that, raise their hand. But, um, we have a letter from, um, the attorney for Verizon. This is 6B on the agenda.
um for religious holiday reasons he uh asks for um a continuence of this proposal um and but but for the legitimacy of the application I would say no but I think it's obviously a reasonable request under the
circumstances um >> yeah yeah we'll we'll we'll we will get Verizon before us eventually I'm confident of even if it's delayed delayed a month. So, um there's been a resolution that's
been prepared uh in anticipation of that that being the the sense of the board. Um and that's resolution. If I can just have you jump down uh to 88B, that's the
resolution that we're talking about. Um, so can I have a motion um to grant the continuence of the public hearing uh for an additional month as requested? >> Motion has been made. Second.
>> A second. >> Second. Um, roll call, please. >> Uh, can we just state that it will be May 6? >> We can just state that. >> Thank you. >> May 6th. >> Mr. Novarita. >> Yes. >> Mr. Tracoi. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Yes.
>> Mrs. Lein, >> yes. >> Mr. Morelli, >> yes. >> Mr. R. Murphy. >> Yes. >> Mr. C. Murphy. >> Yes. >> Miss Costco. >> Yes. >> And Mr. McKay. >> Yes. >> Uh 6C on our u on our agenda is discussion of the joint land use board
annual report. We presented that report actually at the last meeting and it had been carried for discussion purposes to this meeting. Correct. >> Um assume everyone's prepared to discuss Um, no. Seriously, we have any comments
that anybody has on it? >> I think that we're supposed to be looking at the number of variances that requested and things like and think if that's an excessive amount or should we change anything regarding those and I think they're okay. >> Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, yes, >> it's to look at the volume
>> and of the and the different types of things, >> not just the volume and numbers, but how many of this, how many of that, that sort of thing. And to see, I mean, one example is, you know, you see something that's recurring, that's a small potatoes issue and maybe rather than
require people to show up for a hearing there, there will be some administrative way to shortcut that. >> Correct. Correct. >> Correct. Because it is a small potatoes thing. it doesn't matter. So um you know those are items that um
we're asking comment for by submitting that and so you know people have comments um I'm absolutely we want to put them on the record but that doesn't foreclose somebody from um
we can carry this also to the next meeting Um so that if people haven't really thought about it uh tonight, the pressure will be on for next week. In other words, if you haven't done your
homework, that's okay. We just want to get it done by next by next week. >> So bulk variance is nine. Is that a large number or is that's pretty much average for a year? >> No, that's that's it. That's that's why
I gave you also the of the different applications. So you could cross reference, >> right? >> Whether that B variance fell under a commercial piece of property or is it a residential property uh for a pool to set back
>> for the pool and in that neighborhood we've had several people come in and we're giving them you know a reduced uh variance. Now should that be a recommendation to the township committee that we really think that the setback
should be changed for that reason but the number nine can go for like I said commercial residential and different types of variances >> that can be driven by the economy too. >> Yes. increase in pool the pool applications
did jump with co and but you know since then I don't think we've had a pool application in a while >> just one >> just just one yeah one that I think >> any other any other comments and I can
appreciate if you haven't looked at this Do we have any deadlines that you're aware of on review of this Paul? >> No. >> Okay. So that let's do this. Let's put it down again on next month's so that and that and then that would be done
with it at that point. But we'll have one more month for people to think about it and offer suggestions or comments or anything like that. And if there are none, then it's an easy matter to deal with next next month. All right. Um, next on the agenda, uh,
approval of minutes of the October 1st, 2025 meeting a while ago, but um, can I have a motion on that? >> So moved.
Second >> second by Mr. Noita. Roll call. >> Mrs. Tory. >> Yes. >> Mr. Noita. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Leon. >> Yes. >> Mr. Arury. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Costco. >> Yes. >> And Mr. M. >> Yes. So on resolutions, we've already dealt
with 8B. 8A. Paula. I think we just defer that for the >> to the next month. We don't need a vote on that. Finally, uh, we're down to correspondence item nine. If there's
anything that anybody wishes to ask questions about, please please say so. Otherwise, um, a motion to, uh, accept and file the correspondence would be in order.
We have a motion for Mr. Novarita to receive and file. Second. >> Second. >> Second. Um, roll call, please. >> Mr. Noita, >> yes. >> Mrs. Leon, >> yes. >> Mrs. Tory, >> yes. >> Mr. Morelli,
>> yes. >> Mr. Traco, >> yes. >> Mr. R. Murphy. >> Yes. >> Mr. C. Murphy. >> Yes. >> Miss Costco. >> Yes. >> And Mr. McKay. >> Yes. >> Any professional comments? >> Happy Valentine's Day.
safeties. >> Wonderful thought. Wonderful thought. Who's bringing Who's bringing the candy? >> Uh board comments. Anybody have any comments? Yep. Your point is well taken and that
today's I mean I didn't get to see the uh the applicant the warehouse applicants until u I opened my email up about 5:00 this afternoon or something like that. I guess the email had come in earlier in the day, but I was out
running around. Um, but um, we don't really have any any disciplinary rule for somebody who submits a last
minute and Mr. Floyd isn't usually quite excellent prompt with his submissions >> and Mr. Floyd likes to give the board so they have in front of them responses instead of just speaking here. They like to give
responses in writing and that way you can actually say it. >> We don't receive responses all the time. >> No, we do not. That is not a requirement. That is just >> it's true. >> Those 10 letters are just summed up. >> I would agree with
Absolutely. what they say. So it is a bit of a scramble. >> Well, you've endured nights. when I have to sit with with uh with the engineers letter and go one yes no what
whatever and get down to 13 or 14 or or 23 and then do it with the planners if everybody was like Mr. employed would cut that process down tremendously. But your but your point is well taken. I
um I don't know that there's too much we can do about it though. Um to we can't can we force them to give a written response to our planners letter, our engineers letter as Mr. Floyd, for
example did today. >> Yeah. It's sort of a rhetorical question. I mean, I ask if he's done if he's if he's met all the requirements of the filing paying escros and
the completion of the application and the like. Um there's not much I don't know that there's much we can do except um except adjourn the application typically with the applicant's consent
which they typically give because they do want to get approved rather than have a vote prematurely that goes against their you know Well, we have that. We have that already. Um
>> some case law allows a lot of times somebody will show up with student is And of and of course we always get a we always get homeowners
who who don't have the wherewithal to have engineers come and and speak for them and you know and and you have we have to deal with those on a basic more basic level. But it but it seems to me that um if we if you get into that position
where you think things are being sprung on you have enough time to deliberate and evaluate, then you know the answer is hear what you can hear and adjourn it to uh another meeting. And that might not even
be the very next meeting. It could be you know a couple meetings down. I mean um Verizon is a typical current example of that. Um so I think that's Bob unless you have thoughts or other professionals have
thoughts on it. I think that's really our only recourse. True. >> True. >> I wouldn't allow any of my questions. I would rather
feel like this. you know, and that's why I ask so many times as we go around questions, questions, questions, questions. >> I really mean that. And no question is um,
you know, in sort of the vernacular, you know, no question is too stupid. I don't want to put it that way, but no question um should be held back if it's if it's if it's something you generally are concerned about. Put it out there. Nobody is going to criticize you for asking question to the contrary. Um it's
always helpful to the debate and you know and we deal with the question and try to get an answer and a German is our uh is our fallback position if we're not happy. gas station. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The propert
>> the rife property. Yeah. Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. I mean, if the board if the board is getting uneasy feelings as you go through a presentation, I can I can sense it sometimes, but sometimes I I don't I can't. And you the
only way I can is to speak up. And um and then we can flesh out the record sufficiently to make the adjournment appropriate. >> Mr. McCay, >> yes. >> May I state something? >> Absolutely.
>> Um, the law is changing as of March 1st in regards to uh how applicants are publishing uh their notices for the public. It was required that they do it in the newspaper as of March 1st. This
also applies should back up applies to the municipality but uh with an applicant they will have to go on their own and publish online and we do have the official paper which is the Burlington County Times and they will have to publish that online
beginning March 1st. They can do it now but uh the legal obligation is March 1st. So I will change that in their application to make them aware of uh that legal change. Also the township uh
is required to purch uh to publish online also. So now we have a spot on our website on the front page uh under news and announcements that says legal publications.
So any of Paula's legal publications, ours will be published there. So if you ever want to go in and look, that is there. And to fill the obligation of newspaper Paula puts in for twice a month for
Yeah. for the entire year. What's it twice a month for the whole year? She has to put in that the legal notices are on our website with for them to get there to look at them. So, just want to make you aware of some
of the legal publication rules that are taking effect as of March 1st, which we've started them already. >> Yeah, we have to provide an archive link as well. We're mandated to archive all the I think it might be two years, it might
be three years. Um, but we're also in the process of transitioning our website. So, that Paula or I mostly Paula we're gonna have to redo it when we change our entire website. We're in this
weird space right now. And ironically, this is the state's mandate. And in addition to their supposed to also provide the state to their archives and they don't even have that yet.
So, it's just the typical state of New Jersey, you know, forcing stuff on us or we're just guarding deal with right now. >> This isformational for our board. We don't have to do anything at this point. >> We don't have regarding this. No, I just wanted you to be aware in case
somebody's talking about to you in regards to I have to publish this in the newspaper and >> or they don't see our date in the paper. >> We're still doing it. Yes, >> we have to do both >> just to get people used to it, but
they're not the Wouldn't this there could be an advantage to this though >> especially with social media if people you know certain people if they see something in the town and they don't
like it they complain on social media it's there for them to see that they had an opportunity to see this coming right more than the newspaper like is that what I'm getting like when somebody puts in for something it's going to be online is that
>> no this is more legal publications Like uh for instance uh tonight we approved a resolution. I have to publish that resolution in the uh newspaper. >> Yeah. >> So now it's going to be published online on our website
>> and it's letting everybody know that we are we approved that resolution and it's being memorialized. >> So >> it sounds like in the end it might be easier once it's all up and running >> once you get used to it.
We've been fighting for this for a long time agencies. >> Sure. >> Yeah. I think it'll be easy once we get used to And the applicants who can do things electronically instead of paying the newspaper for them,
>> they'll still be paying the newspaper for them because they have to put it on there online. >> That's right. We forget that that's there's a charge there. >> Yes. Yeah. There the applicants will not be going on our website. That is just specifically for the township's public.
>> Right. Right. Some have capability maybe. >> All right. Well, thank you for that education. Appreciate it. Um, if there's um are there any other comments the board wants to wants to discuss? Otherwise, I
I think it's uh getting on to 8:30. We ought to adjourn. Hearing none. Motion to adjurnn will be in order. >> Second. >> Second. >> Second. Uh roll. Just a voice vote. All
in favor? >> Opposed? Hearing? None. We're adjourned.