Give us one minute. Okay. Oh, man. His son played for Yeah. No, it was great. That group I don't know. One lives over there and they're part of a real estate thing.
But um complain to me. There's a couple over there. So the committee two friends you guys meet. So that was nice. Yeah, you want to meet them on I'll do these after. On the record. Yes, I will. And um the state police are always here. Sergeant
is always here. I'm coming. What time? 6:30. 6:30. How do I get on my session? You don't. But at the very end, you at the very there's two times you could speak. One would be for agenda items only and then at the end of the meeting, you can say whatever
you want to do. You have five minutes to talk about whatever you want. So, they'll just call on you and even get up and talk. We're good. I'll figure coming to the meeting. Mr. McK. No, you're going to cut it off. Ready? We're We're ready to go. Yes, I'm
coming. She He's coming. All right, it's 6:30 and the Hannesport Township Joint Land Use Board is called to order on Tom McCay. First, we'll have a flag salute. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Great. Uh Paula, can we have a reading of the sunshine law requirements? Notice of this meeting was published in accordance
with the open public meetings act. All right. We have a no new business after 10:30. I don't think it's going to matter tonight because of the agenda. It's short, but uh we don't start any new matters after 10:30. We'll finish older matters already started before
10:30. Um I have uh an announcement uh that I think I can I can make. Our our longtime and valued member Gus Bradley uh has resigned from the board because of personal reasons. Um so he will be he
will be missed. He's a very helpful board member, very insightful board member. Um, and uh, wish him well in whatever whatever he does. Um, and uh, uh, we have uh, Steve Novarita, who's an
alternate, will come up and sit in that spot uh, tonight. He's actually a regular a regular member and demoted. I'm sorry. Sorry. Um, I'm used to it. And then and then committee will uh will deal with the filling of um the uh the
uh missing alternate position if we have uh time between now and next next month. Um all right. Uh we have a roll call, please. Mrs. Tory here. Mrs. Luten here. Mayor Gilmore here. Mr. Jakochi here. Mr.
Novarita here. Mr. C. Murphy here. Miss Costco here. Mr. R. Murphy absent. Mr. Holden absent. Mr. Mcai here. Mr. McKay here. All right. Uh, first matter uh is
Verizon of New Jersey case uh 6A on our agenda, but it's case number 24-9. This is the Verizon facility at 625 Lumberton Road. Um for U preliminary and final site plan issues.
Uh good evening. Good afternoon or good evening sir. Could you give us your name? Yes. Nick Tovakia Cooper Levenson on behalf of Verizon and uh as the chairman knows and the board knows we have a pending application. We're not here to present it tonight. What we're here to do is at the request of the
chairman is to update the board on where we are. We have been in correspondence with Mr. Taylor, Mr. decide on in terms of their review letters and I think we now have a path forward in terms of addressing their review letters and
getting an application that um is presentable to the board. And I want to say frank um candidly that this is from our part on our fault taken far too long. So I I apologize on behalf of our client. Um this has just taken too long and I'll leave it at that. But we are
committed, the client is committed to resolving this, to getting this project approved um and getting a favorable result from the uh board here and addressing the uh concerns that have been raised at the site. Um the aesthetic concerns. So um that's what
I'm here to say tonight. We um we our consultant who does the plans, he's a very small shop. I think there's only three professionals there. We've been talking to him the last week. we have to go do more field work and what bottom line is we um he said he can get the
plans done in eight weeks. I would like 10 weeks just because um you don't know with consultants when they're going to get done. I I trust them at 8, but I would say 10 weeks and then I think so that would be sometime in July and then um that would have before you know time
for your professionals in August to review and we could be heard at the September three meeting and we would renotice if the board so requires us to. So that's my statement. Mr. Chairman, we'll deal with the notice issue in in a sec. Um, have have your um have your
engineers, your your consultants spoken to Yes, we we we've been on a um all of us were on a um Zoom call just last week plus I've had multiple calls with Mr. Taylor uh who I've known for a number of years and you know we're seeking to come to because there's a lot of items on
their list seeing what where we really need to go with this and and where um we're going to ask for some relief from the board. But I think um I have a good we have now a good understanding. It was very helpful. They were both on the call, both your professionals with us and um a lot of back and forth notes we
took in terms of what they saw as the the key issues for us to address. Okay. So you've got a you got a pretty good checklist of issues to We do and and there's some work to be done on our part, but we've already started there's some things we need to replace. We've already started the process of seeking
bids. Uh given the nature of the company, we have to get three bids. Just getting a bid for small things takes two months, believe it or not, but it does. Um but uh I I want to stress um that the um client understands the need to get
this done in no uncertain terms. All right. Let me ask our professionals guys uh um what about that schedule that's proposed? Is that is that something you're you can work with? Yeah, that sounds reasonable. And as long as they
could get plans to us by the last week in Jan July, that works. Yeah. No, we'll say January. July. End of end of July. Whatever. Whatever that last working day in July is. Okay. Um Paul, do you have a
calendar? I was going to say uh the meeting's September 3rd. September 3rd. So the last week in July. Okay. Yeah. Right. That should be good. Okay. So, a deadline a deadline
u Thursday, July 31st. Perfect. Yes. For uh all plans and submissions. Yes. And then September 3rd, we'll put it on the agenda. Now, the issue of notice. Yes. If um Mr. Kingsbury, this has been carried and
carried and carried. What is your advice on renotice? That's fine. Yeah. No, no problem. We'll update the list and u we'll renotice. Excellent. Um Mr. Kingsbury, can you think of anything else that we need to address on this? Do you agree to extend?
Yes, of course. Yeah, we extended the time period for which the board has to act before there's an automatic approval. So, we've extended that time. Mr. Kingsbury, do you want a board vote on that? Is that advisable to accept that? The board should vote to agree to
extend the hearing to September 3. Yes. Okay. With the submission dead. Right. And I have a motion to that effect board. So moved. Second. Roll call. Mrs. Tory. Yes. Mr. Noita.
Yes. Mrs. Luton. Yes. Mayor Gilmore. Yes. Mr. Chochi. Yes. Mr. Murphy. Yes. Miss Costco. Yes. Mr. Mai. Yes. And Mr. Midnight. Yes. See you in September. All right. Thank you. Have a great night. Our next case uh is case 6B on our
agenda. Case 21-0 6A. Seagull Holding Holdings, which uh is more commonly known as the Route 38 Nissan dealership. Thank you. Um Mr. Chairman, members of
the board, may it please the board, Steven Eisner representing Seagull Holdings. Mr. Chairman, um we've had a number of discussions with Mr. Taylor, Mr. Kingsbury. At this point, um, we are going
to defer to Mr. Taylor's desire that this matter be addressed as an amended site plan. We would propose to file everything with the township on or before July
1st, and we would ask that this matter be placed on the board's August agenda. If for some reason we run into a problem, I will discuss that with Mr. Taylor and Mr. Kingsbury and um at this time we would
like the matter adjourned until that the August date of the uh board's meeting. All right, very good. Um are professionals in agreement on that? It sounds like they may be. Yeah, we had some discussions. There have been a handful of changes, some of which were
triggered by DP. Some were other sort of modifications. We discussed it among all the professionals. We also discussed it at the redevelopment level and everybody felt most comfortable from the town side handling this instead of just granting an extension to their prior application
that it really needs some amendment. So if the board wanted to continue the request for amen to the August meeting the submission of amended site
plan application by July one right right and and of course there's consent by the applicant for this adjournment. Yes there is obviously Mr. Kingsbury. We uh we need a motion on this. Yes. Just like before. Motion
to extend the hearing date to August 6.6 the submission date of July and accepting his consent and um I think we also uh should renotice. Yes, we because of the
amendment I would agree Mr. Chairman. Yes. new. It's a new It's a It's an amendment. We will do that. Okay. All right. So, we have um notice to the public submissions by July 1st set for
uh uh hearing on August 6th. I have a motion to adopt those those dates requirements. Some move. Second. Roll call. Mrs. Tory. Yes. Mr. Ngarita. Yes. Mrs. Luton. Yes. Mayor Gilmore,
yes. Mr. Takochi, yes. Mr. Murphy, yes. Miss Costco, yes. Mr. Mai, yes. And Mr. McKay, yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Eisner, we'll see you in August. Have a good summer. Thank you. One question. What is the township's um position now
on publication of notice? Has that been dispensed with? That's what I wanted to check. Paula, you are official. Burlington County Times. Okay. Uh 10 at least 10 days prior to the hearing. All right. So that's that's fine. Okay. Then
um you could just uh send me uh the request for the 200 foot list. Okay. Uh we'll also need that from Lumberton. So yes, I'll get that. Thank you. Okay. Make sure you get the notice into the
paper handful of days before the 10-day deadline because they're slow. We will do that. Thank you. Printing it sometimes. Thank you very much. We will. Yeah, because I'm anxiously awaiting the new building. Well, that's something we'll
discuss in uh in August. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr. Eisen. Wow, that was that was quick. Uh now we have another item on uh the agenda to talk about and I ask you all
to get your calendars out. Um we're going to need uh to deal with some uh state requirements under the uh the affordable housing rules and regulations.
uh we're going to need a meeting to review and recommend uh some amended affordable housing plan for the town and um uh we need to do that by the end of
June. Um, and we've and because we need to have the plan submitted from our our affordable housing expert first, um, that's going to take a few weeks to get to us. So, we don't
have a lot of time. and uh the the affordable housing committee uh of the township council has sort of already started to look at this issue, develop the framework. Um our
professional is working on it, but that report may not get to us until um oh uh mid June. Yeah, mid June. So, we had looked at u uh we had looked at a special meeting and I wanted to suggest
June 25th uh for a special meeting. That's a that's the last Wednesday in June if you have your calendar in front of you. Uh that's the date issue. And then the second issue is if we can do it on that date, which is
really important that we try to squeeze it in because township committee has to act on our action and they have to do it before the end of the month, which is only five days after that and two of those days are weekends. So on the time, uh, we're
flexible. I think there may be some that would like to have it uh at our regular 6:30, but there might be a need uh for one or two members to have it a little earlier at the five or 5:30 hour if
that's possible. So, can I have just a free-for-all discussion on that? Who's got who feels what about the date first of all the 25th of June? one. Can I do this on a Zoom call
or do I have to do it in person? We never had a member on Zoom. Do it on Zoom. Well, that's I'm not going to be able I'm aware of I will not be able to be here in person that day. Zoom is you have alternates. Bob, is that I've never really uh looked at the
Zoom function for a special meeting or any meeting, but that's okay. That's okay. Well, no, no, wait. Oh, it's an issue. It's a good question. Huh? What do you think? I know that our committee meetings we can do
that need everybody. No, they don't. Well, I know, but we have somebody who wants to participate. That's the question. Um, yeah, we can get by with alternates. That's true. But if somebody wants to participate, is it is is the Zoom for a
meeting acceptable for a member? Yes. You can't be here on that date. Set a different date or stick with that. All right. All right. I was trying to That's okay. trying to accommodate the member, but okay. All right. Um, can can
we just do a roll call then and see who's who's on board for the uh the 25th Paul? Mrs. Tory, no. Uh, Mr. Noarita, yes. Mrs. Leon, yes. Mayor Gilmore, yes.
Mr. Kochi, are we talking 5:30? Are we talking 6:30 or We haven't gotten there. Um, we're we're still I'm probably good for both. I just Okay. Well, we'll go we'll that'll be part diving under the door at 529. Okay. Well, maybe we'll
push it more towards six then. Whatever. You know, hopefully I should get here. All right. Balance of our Mr. Murphy. I could do it. Mr. McA. Good. Miss Costa. Good. Mr. McKay. Yes. Good. So, we're good for the for the 25th professionals.
Good. I don't need to be here. No. Oh, you don't need to. No. The only professional housing the only professional we'll have will be um our affordable housing consultant and um she will make a half an hour presentation I think
um that might have some uh and there'll be a there'll be a paper presentation too a report and then um then there'll be a vote to recommend it to committee and then and then committee will have to act
quickly thereafter. Mr. Kingsberry, are you available? Mr. Kingsberry, are you available for the 25th? Why? I'll have to do a resolution.
That would be great. Mr. Kingsbury on that. Um, is that a after after we hear the the testimony from the uh the the housing coordinator, uh, is that a a matter that
should be open for public comment? I believe so. Yes. My inclination was that, but I just wanted to check with you. You're better offing on the
for public comment. Usually there's very little public comment. Yes, I think it should be open for public com of course be advertised as a public hearing of course and it'll have to be advertised as a as a special meeting uh
for the uh for the special purpose. So this is Paul the formal I'm I'm yeah this will pro this is the public hearing for our housing element and fair share plan. So this will be adopted as an element of the town's master
plan that allows all the affordable housing ordinances to then be adopted consistent with that element of master plan. as a master plan element that will have to get open to the public. It was just a draft
presentation. Not not necessarily, right? And just to let you know, most towns are going through special meetings because June 30th. June 30th, my understanding. Yeah. I was I was gonna use an
adjective. Well, All right. So, uh, we're only then left with time. Now, Paula, did do you have a desire to start a little little earlier? Yes, because we're going to have our township committee meeting right after that same night so that the governing
body can introduce an ordinance um that that evening. So, as long as we have the public hearing and we have an introduction of the ordinance, that's sufficient to submit to uh DCA to satisfy that June 30th deadline. All right. So, we're hoping the the board
can meet at 5:30 and our governing body can meet at 6:30 or soon thereafter. I don't know the language, but because I think our governing bo or our governing body is going to be invited to participate. We're going to advertise it as a joint meeting, right? And then come in and they they won't actually
participate in the hearing, but they'll be in the audience to hear. Yep. To watch the presentation. Yep. And and I suppose they could ask questions in the public comment section. Certainly. So 5:30 is the suggestion. Um any
I'll make it out. Can you make it? Yeah. I got enough time to plan around it. I should have Mr. McC are you okay with 5:30? 5:30. I just had a question. Sure. What's the big issue that will be that's on the
table and will we have any prep materials to study up on it? Uh the answer is um I'm sure we'll get the report um at least a few days before maybe a week before. So it has to be available to the public 10 days prior to the hearing. So Leah will uh Miss Miss
Fury will Brutder Brutder will have that uh she's our affordable housing planner. She'll have that prepared and ready for the public consumption 10 days prior to. So that'll be distributed to all of us. Are we expecting a big issue? No. Oh, good. No. This is good news. I mean, you
never know, but you know, we don't expect it. Scott, give give us give us one minute on what this is all about. So, for some of the more senior board members, and I mean seniority, not
well, we all pretty much fit that towns in New Jersey. New Jersey imposes on it and mandated affordable housing. very low. We've seen some of these come before the boards. We've seen some 100%
affordable units at the Walters project. So the It has been given a number by the state and governing body with Mr. Gillespie and Murder have been going through and determining what are those mechanisms
how can the town meet its affordable housing obligation for this actually the affordable h myself as well as the affordable housing advisory committee that um both Mr. Murphy and Mr. McKay volunteered to be a part of in
addition to two members of the governing body and professional. We've been meeting we've had three meetings to to help develop this plan look at sites throughout the community. We've talked to affordable housing builders. We're you know we're work we're doing a lot of work behind the scenes and have been for
the past two months. Um we've negotiated with fair share housing. We've actually reduced the number that DCA gave us. Um we had a much lower number but we've finally ultimately settled to 71. um went from no yeah we went from 74 to
71. I was gonna say why do I have 73 in my head? I know that needless to say the numbers are very complicated. It's been a group effort by by the affordable housing advisory committee and our professionals, the members of the board that this these requirements
um seven to 74 they're they're almost Byzantine in complexity in terms of what you need um different types of housing that can be used to fulfill your need.
the weight given to certain types of housing h the credits that might be given uh to reduce your burden. It's very complicated to the point that we have the town has hired and and needs to really rely on an expert in the field to
assist us along with the planners. Um so it's it's it's a it's a complicated issue. So a site will be presented at that meeting like the plan for the plan will be put in place and it includes multiple
sites. Our our obligation will be met through various mechanisms. We also don't forget have five very low units that we still need to um take care of from round three that were are still remaining. So we're we're trying to find
a solution to that problem. Um so so it'll get it'll you when you get the report um read it and then Leah's very good at explaining things and I'm sure she'll give a very informative uh
lecture and uh you can open it to the public and then hand it over uh assuming the approval is given hand it over to town at that point to committee to uh to deal with further. So, we're set for
June 25 at 5:30. So, that'll be specially noticed. Okay. All right. Um, let's move on to minutes. Um, we have minutes of the March 5th
meeting. Can I have a motion to uh to adopt those minutes? So, move. Second. Second. All right. Roll call. I'm sorry, Mr.
Draco. You were not at the March 5th meeting. [Laughter] Second. I need a second. I'll second it. Mayor Gilmore. Yes. Mrs. Leen. Yes. Mrs.
Tory, yes. Mr. Novarita, yes. Mr. Murphy, yes. Miss Costco, yes. And Mr. Mckette, yes. All right, we have a couple of resolutions. Uh, the first in
order. The first is the Patel property. That's, you'll recall, that's the pool uh out on Ark Road. Resolution uh 2025-14. Uh can I have an a motion to uh
adopt this as drafted? A motion. Second. Second. Second. Roll call. Mr. Narita? Yes. Mr. Murphy? Yes. Mrs. Tory? Yes. Mrs. Lutin? Yes. Mayor Gilmore? Yes. Mr. Choi? Yes. Miss
Costco? Yes. Mr. McCay? Yes. Uh the next is the Fleetus matter. That's the sideyard setback issue. Um resolution 2025-15. Motion to approve is drafted.
Please motion second. Second. Roll call. Mr. Narita. Yes. Mrs. Tory. Yes. Mrs. Yes. May Gilmore. Yes. Mr. Traco. Yes. Mr. Mr. Murphy. Yes. Miss
Costco. Yes. And Mr. McN. Yes. The third resolution is um the JDB Martin Highway LLC. That's the Refe property. Uh this is a motion granting a
continuence for um further review of the site plan and a hearing. Uh this is resolution 2025-17. Can I have a motion to approve as drafted? So move 2025-16.
Did I say 17? It's okay. I'm sorry. Oh yeah. Okay. Um so moved. So moved. Yes. Um we have a second. Second. Roll call. Mrs. Hordy. Yes. Mrs. Le.
Yes. Mayor Gilmore. Yes. Mr. Di. Yes. Mr. Ner. Yes. Mr. Murphy. Yes. Miss Costco. Yes. And Mr. Mek. Yes. Yes. All right. We have um three pieces of
correspondence. Now we're resolution. Are we missing the resolution? Scott Birdie 17. Yeah. Okay. I'm looking at my original agenda, not the first one, not the revised one. I'm so sorry. That's okay.
Uh resolution 2025-17. This is the um impervious coverage variance for that house over in the Lake District. Can I have a motion to approve as um drafted?
So moved. Second. Second. and roll call. Uh, Mrs. Tory, yes. Mr. Narita, yes. Mrs. Lein, yes. Mayor Gilmore, yes. Mr. Jakochi, yes. Mr. Murphy, yes. Miss Costa, yes. And Mr.
McKay, yes. So, now we have three pieces of correspondence. And unless anyone wants to deal with any of them individually, uh, can I have a motion to receive and file? So
second. Second. All in favor? I I Okay. Professional comments. No comments. You get all you get all dressed up in a suit and tie and no comments
to all those. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Scott. Best job ever. Thank you, Scott. Thank you both for your help over there. Um, are there any board comments? No. Hearing none. Members of the public who are on board, uh, if you
want to make a comment, um, please unmute. There's nobody here in the audience. There's no one out there either. Total lack of interest. Ton of people on YouTube live. There's 10 views on YouTube. There's no one on Goto Meeting.
No, no, unmute. All right. Um, those are my followers. Yeah. I have a question in reference to the special meeting. Sure. Is that is that going to be adequate time in between from 5:30 to I guess the meeting at 6:30
to discuss what we need to discuss and come up with the decision? Um, I I certainly hope so. We we we think so. I think that um the groundwork has been sufficiently
laid for the report already with the pre with the meetings that we have had um the three meetings plus all the work that's been done. um that I think when the when Leah lays
out the proposals um I think you're going to find that that they make a lot of sense and under the circumstances and restrictions that we're under um that there's really
uh really uh not not too many other alternative avenues that are feasible. So I think the answer is yeah it can it can be done in in an hour. Um now I say that not knowing
that 100 people won't come in want to speak but my guess is that there won't be that many people especially based off tonight. Well that's what was that again? Especially based off tonight. Obviously
nobody's even here. Right. Right. But there wasn't much on there wasn't much controversial tonight either. When but anytime you have a when people do a special meeting affordable housing title to it, it might bring out people. Right. Good point. And I think the
township committee, we've run into this in other towns where you've had to do them back to back. If you guys ran five minutes long, their meeting can start at 6:35. That doesn't create like a notice or some kind of issue. They start five
minutes early, right? I think John's going to notice in a certain way where it says in the township committee meeting, we'll we'll begin at the conclusion of the land use board meeting. It'll be advertised as both starting at 5:30. One advertisement for both meetings. Yes. Yeah. But and then we'll put a statement in there that will
start at the conclusion of the joint land use board meeting. Yeah. I do have one thing to say to just let you all know because you'll be seeing it next week is that um I just ran all the permits for the Ryan Home community off of um Hannesport Mount
Laurel Road and Route 38 there. Uh so you will be seeing activity within the next week or so. They'll be coming into pay before uh the end of the week for the permits. So just to give you an update that you'll see they that will be starting. Is this for the this is the
first block of townous? Correct. That's the first six. Which end of the Do you know, Kathy, which end of the road they're going on? That You know what? I'd have to take a look again at the site plan. They gave me the addresses are from 4 to 12
Friendship. So, I'm not quite sure if that's the end of the culde-sac or like the beginning. Um, but I just didn't want you guys all driving by and going, "What?" So, I figured that I would let you know. Thank you. Appreciate that. You're welcome.
All right. Um motion to adjurnn. So move.