Um, I would like to make a motion to call to order the Halifax Board of Health meeting on Wednesday, November 19th, 2025 um at 6:31 p.m.
So moved. All in favor? >> I I >> um I would like to uh Okay. Um the board of health in accordance with the provisions of MGL chapter 30A section 20B. The meeting is being recorded by
Area 58 community access channel and can be viewed on YouTube. Um I anticipate the following matters to be discussed or voted on this meeting. Um and we may be taking some items out of
order for time management. So we will um actually start uh when we start the meeting up with the um Maryland's landing topic. Um, but I do want to actually start this meeting off uh with a moment of silence um in memory of our
health agent Bob Valerie who passed away unexpectedly on October 10th. Um the board is thankful for his support and years of service to the town and he'll be greatly missed. Thank you.
>> Okay. Do we So should we if that's still >> says you're 100% there or >> uh so members present at the meeting um >> Pam Instrom, >> Candace Green, >> David Hatch, >> and we have our interim health agent
>> Robert Buer. Good evening. >> So we can move that till afternoon. We might as well start with Maryland. >> Yeah. Okay. So, we'll start with uh the Maryland's Landing um presentation. I was I missed the last meeting. So, um I it was I know it had already been
started. So, wherever you need to pick up um and we can go from there. All right. That's a tough one to follow, but um good evening everybody. I'm McDonald with McDonald Industries. Um, you know, from our last meeting, I came
in just as a soft intro. Um, I had worked with Bob myself for over 5 years. So, we really just wanted to put bases together cuz it was a new board than what we worked at previously with the last couple of approvals. So, with with that, we're here tonight to, you know,
let you hear. Um, what I'd like to do is is let you hear from the people that in their areas of expertise, ask questions, and then I definitely want, you know, respectful, meaningful dialogue and any questions people have um on, you know, what we do and stuff. So, you know, with
that being said, I know you guys have a very busy agenda. You know, we'll roll right into the presentation for you and this will complete our presentation after tonight. Um, so again, I'm deeply deeply sorry for your loss. >> Thank you. Appreciate it.
>> Um, I'm gonna start by just introducing with me tonight is I have Rick Strongberg. He's our LSP. How are you? >> Which is a licensed site the French professional. I also have Jared Evan and with environmental uh as I mentioned last time WL French joined us to help us
facilitate this. So we don't talk with Maris. Um, I have Donald Dagel who is our environmental attorney who's been with us from the start, formerly worked with DP and knows our rules and rigs backwards and forwards and those will be the people that will all have them, you
know, address their um, fores and then please again open up your questions to them and afterwards I gladly open up dialogue so that you can get your answers. I know I did send some stuff to Bob, but um I'm clear it um and I'll go through the chair and everything. Um is
whether you guys were able to get that like the follow-up letter from um the first meeting of the of the meeting. >> I'm pretty sure I saw that. Did you get a copy? You guys >> I think so. There's so much has been going on that I my email's been flooded, but I think he did send it out after the
last meeting, but we can double check. >> We'll double check things like that. So, yeah, I know it's been uh well done. Yeah, we'll make sure they have the right. >> Okay. Okay. >> And just for transparency, too, um we're not going to be voting on any of this tonight. This is ongoing discussions. Um
we are in a bit of a transition obviously as far as our um health agent goes, but we do want to continue. We have some questions and we'd like to hear more from you. So, but just so everyone knows, we're now voting on this tonight. >> Yeah. Let's get you with you. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Okay. Um Donna, if you like to
start the intro back. >> Yeah. Good evening, members of the board, chairman, and members. Uh my name is Donald Nagel. I'm an environmental attorney. Um I was hired by Maryland for this project uh back in 2013.
And so I've helped Maryland get regulatory approvals for the soil project since then, which have been multiple approvals along the way. And we're here tonight uh because we are seeking yet another approval and this
one is for is called a corrective action and we'll tell you all about it in detail tonight. Um and um so I just first want to say that um well actually based on the last presentation
about a month ago um a lot of questions came up and um at the request of the board we um addressed those questions in writing and it's a four or fivepage letter that is uh with the board of
health and it's publicly available. It's a public document, so anybody can can ask the board for a copy of it. Um, we meant to bring copies of it tonight, but we forgot, but they're available. Uh, so a lot of those questions have been asked
and answered, but obviously, you know, we're here to give a presentation on really more of the technical details of the project and um, also to answer any questions that any of the public might have. um all phases of this project. It's a soil
project on the footprint of the closed Halifax landfill. Um we're not reopening the landfill. We are correcting and fixing problems that have arisen with regard to the closed landfill over
time. It was closed back in 1995. Over the years, um the landfill uh slopes have collapsed. Uh the in particular the storm water management
system that was built into the sides slopes have collapsed. Uh, storm water has instead of going where it's supposed to go, it's just streaming right down the side of the landfill, pulling um
vegetative cover off the top of the landfill, exposing the cap, and washing sediment into nearby properties, uh, including wetland areas. So, um, last spring, I believe it was, Mark Dres from
D came down and did an inspection of the landfill and he said pretty much quote unquote if there ever was there a need for corrective action at a landfill, this is it. And so, uh, Maryland's Landing has been operating a soil, uh,
facility at the landfill and adjacent to the landfill since 2013. They're in a perfect position to do the corrective action at the closed BFI landfill. And so, at the last meeting,
we did a brief introduction. Uh, tonight, we'll have some plans that we can show you. Um and um so we the plans that we're showing you tonight we have shown to D uh Mark Dres and engineers
for DP and um they liked the design of it. um they indicated that it's consistent with their requirements, but we have yet to go through a formal approval process and DP said before you
do that, do some outreach with the town, make sure that the um town knows about the project, has the opportunity to ask to learn about it and ask questions about it. So, that's why we're here tonight. Um,
>> so, um, what we're going to do now is, um, Gerard, uh, I mean, Jared Everton is going to come up and walk through, uh, the plans and, uh, and then, um, and
then Rick is Rick is going to, uh, do a presentation as well. Rick, do you have anything you were going to ask? I'm just going to talk about some generalities about bringing the soil in safeguards. >> Yeah, just just to highlight it. Try the arrows on the screen. Start on a
different >> The project is heavy he heavily regulated by D. All the approvals go through. I can't see anything and I'm actually in a so >> Okay. Yeah, please. >> You want to grab a chair? >> So, go ahead.
>> You can take one over there. >> Yeah, you can sit right there on one of those. >> That's fine. All right, cool. >> All right, good evening. I'm Jared Everton, WL French. I'm the director of environmental services over there. Um, we're operating the landfill right now
doing a lot of the uh filling, pushing the soils, that sort of stuff. We're involved in the design of the uh corrective action that Don just spoke about. Um, so this kind of gives us a general overview of uh I think we need to read that.
>> Yeah, we need to readjust. >> I don't know if the camera's going to be able to get it. >> There's a camera over there. >> You want me to turn it that way? >> I Yeah, I think that the, you know, town members came to see it. I'd love to be able to try to figure a way where everyone can see. >> Yeah. Can you guys see that? >> I think if you pull it towards you a
little, you can swing it. >> Pull it towards you a little >> and then Dave, you can come cozy up down here. >> Come on down. >> It's going to be perfect. Pull it your way. They're
going to be able to see it though now. >> I think we can see it. We can see it. >> There we go. This is a general um overview of the landfill that we're seeing right here. Um the red dashed line is what um was
previously permitted out there for phase one and two of the project. It's currently ongoing. Um the blue dash line is phase uh four that we're talking about. Phase four that we're talking about tonight. Um as you can see, we've previously done
a lot of filling over on the Bridgewater side. Now we're moving over to the Halifax side. Um, we've gotten some questions on why do we need to bring the uh the toe of the slope out so far. And as Don mentioned, there's been some
ongoing storm water issues out there. So, we're going to be increasing the uh the down sorry leaf the downshoots on um for storm water management out there. Currently, it's going down this side of
the landfill out towards the u the cranberry bog. Sorry. Yeah. Towards the cranberry bogs that are out there across the um power lines creating some wetlands that were not previously there. So, our goal is to redirect the storm water
towards the uh the storm water basins. Let me get on this side. That'll be better. Um towards the storm water basins that are already out there. And I guess the question is why do we need to go up in height instead of just um you know increasing the toe of the slope out
and DP has regulations that the u the side slopes of the landfills need to be a 3:1 slope. So when we're going out we also need to go up vertically. Now, we proposed um a a peak elevation of um 170
out there, but when we're talking 170, it's really 158 because 158 is going to be the um the rim. So, the toe is right here and we're talking about uh where the plateau
really starts. This corner of it is 158. We're currently at 144 per minutes. So, we're talking about another 14 ft in elevation, which is pretty insignificant when you when you're seeing it from a distance. And um that is what the
rendering that we have shows here. So, the current um 158 here and then the peak will be at 170. But once you get up to the plateau, which is this, we need a 5% grade on the
top of this, which is the flat spot basically. and it's 5%. That's basically 1 ft elevation for every 20 ft out that we're going. And that just controls the storm water, keeps it flowing in the correct direction out there. Um the rendering
that we have shows some trees along the the uh this the peak facing Pine Street and that that's kind of made there to hide the peak as well as u future solar work that we're going to do out there hopefully. Mhm.
>> Um, so again, this is this is basically what it's going to look like at the end of this project. >> Can I ask a question? >> Sure. >> What's the current height? >> So 144 is the current height. >> And that's you're saying what it's going to look like after and not now cuz I feel it kind of looks like what it looks
like now from Pine Street. >> It's exactly This is actual an actual image um from Pine Street that's been kind of digitized. Um, so 158 is, you know, 14 ft, but from the distance, you're really not going to
be able to tell. And when we're talking that peak again at 170, it's behind >> that's in the that's in the middle of the plateau. >> That's in the very very middle of it. So >> still 30 ft, >> but you you won't see that because it's behind the trees there and it's not a peak when you're thinking of, you know,
the peak. >> No, I'm just thinking Phil. I'm not thinking. >> So we I'm sorry, sir. Sir, sorry. Sir, time out, please. >> Sir, um you can ask questions at the end, but you have to say there's a process. You have to identify yourself and ask the questions. So, we'll have him go through and then we're going to let everyone ask the questions.
>> So, so again, this will allow us to control the storm water on the site, bring the toe of it out more, have swelles going down the side, the side slopes of the landfill that aren't currently there, they're collapsed, they're not functioning right now. So, so once we bring it up, um, it'll be
functioning storm water system up there. And that's really the the main goal of this project is to control the storm water, keep it from going across into the power lines. So, that's that's the general. >> Can you speak a little bit about what soil we use up there too before?
>> I think I br have any questions for >> Wait till the end too. >> Wait till the end. So, we'll do questions at the end. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Thank you, >> um, yeah, thanks. I just, uh, I think it's important for me to take probably five minutes if we could, maybe 10 at
most, just to talk to people here that live near the landfill. Of course, the team members that I'm involved with every day in managing the soil. My name is Rick Stroberg. I'm a licensed site professional or LSP. You probably heard that acronym a lot. U, I've been doing
this for 42 years. I've been an LSP for 32 years. Ever since the program began, I've been an LSP in good standing. Um, I know a lot of LSPs me in the in the region through the state because what I do for Mins and I've done this at 15
other sites, 15 other soil reuse sites through my career is we get packages from other LSPs that work on other sites and they're interested in taking some of the soil from those sites and reusing it at an appropriate facility that's
appropriately permitted like taken. So what we put together, we've done this probably like eight or nine times through the 15 years that I've worked with Maryland every day is we put together these soil reuse management plans. It's like a book and it talks about the procedures, talks about the
objectives, talks about approvals, talks about the criteria, the most importantly the soil acceptance criteria that you might have heard of. What kind of concentrations of constituents in the soil that you might find can we take? Some of it's natural like metals are
naturally occurring, some of it's not. Some of it's from solvents or petroleum based and some of them are in between like burnt hamburgers. When you get when you burn up hamburgers and meat, you get these they call SPOCC's and they they occur by burning meat and we all eat it. Uh it's just found in dirt too uh from
coal and coal ash and so I guess as a matter of side it's just I do environmental toxicology. I've done it for 40 years and you know the materials that we eat, drink, breathe, you name it, it's got stuff in it. It's all about dose and life is all all things every
every media that we're involved with. >> So it's just important to bring out. So what happens when a an LSP wants to bring soil to Maryland? They have a site. It may be a a commercial residential site. It might be an office tower. It might be a parking lot. might
be a residence. They have soil. They have a property and they've got a due diligence program they have to operate under. The owner says, "I need to have this this soil studied and is there something going on there that's hot that needs to be appropriately characterized and get your arms around it and figure
out what's going on on the ground so that you could have maybe some dirty areas that have something that spilled there through the years." and you go through all the historical records and then areas that maybe aren't dirty or maybe there's just natural soil that's sitting around these areas and it's their job as LSPs on their sites and
I've been one and I've done hundreds of them myself. It's your job as an LSP with a license that's granted by the state to look at that area, test, define, figure out what is the dirty stuff we call contaminated soil that has to go to some other facility. What we're
involved with here at Maryland's is we take soil that I like to call mildly affected. Maybe it has some low levels of metals or other things that that are compliant with what's called RCS2 standards. It's a bar that D has set for
all of us that says well above above the this is protective for the use of that site for that land. It's a commercial facility soil use site. We don't take trap, we take soil. It's protective of that site. And you can take anything below that. And you can also take below
RCS1. You might have heard that. That's another little bar below RCS2, which is a residentialbased standard. We take up to RCS2. We take in a lot of RCS1 soil as well. So we look at soils that are kind of peripheral, that are mostly
clean, that have been well defined. They put the package to us. I look at them. I get comments back to them. I send them to Maryland every day. I get packages from these people. They know me. I know them. I tell them, "This is what you're missing. This is what you got to do. We don't agree with this. This is what you
need to do." They send a package back to actually goes through for me. Now, in our partnership with France, you go, "Oh, this package go." And then they come to me after you guys have looked at it. So, you're the first eight. It gets looked at by French. Then, it comes to me and I look at it and I do my thing
and I get it back to the French and I approve it. We send along what is appropriate >> to bring in. >> You send it to Jeff. >> I'm getting once I do that, Republic Services has another LSP that they're involved with through the partnership partnership that
looks at my package and my comments and make sure he agrees with my comments. So, I've got the sending side LSP. I've got French that looks at the package. >> We have an LSP as well. >> LSP look at the package. Comes to me. I do my thing. been doing it for 50 or 30
years and then uh we get it to republic and they do their thing. Sometimes we refuse packers. We still take them. So, you know, the goal is to take soil that's clean enough to meet the the requirements that D has set for us for this site. That's what we live by. And
one thing I want to mention too, there's a term remediation waste out there that scares the crap out of people. I just want to clear up that name because it's not it's DP came up with that name and it's not fair because it's not right. So what that means is it's the same thing
as RCS2 soil. Remediation waste is another name for RCS RCS2 soil but all it is is that it came from a site where there was a something went on. Okay, they delineated it and they got rid of it. But if it's a residential site or an
RCS1 site and you got to move the clean stuff to an RCS2 site, all of a sudden it's going to become remediation waste. Even though to me it's not because the dirty stuff goes away. The cleanest stuff if it's from an RCS one site that's going to us, which is an RCS2
site, it has to be called remediation. So I hope that clears up that a little bit. And there's a lot of things to to kind of run by you guys tonight. Um, and I'm here to answer questions. One other thing I wanted to talk about is the dust and I know that people have had concerns about dust and as you know a facility
like Maryland during dry times of year especially back was 2023 was very dry winter we had an episode where there was a lot of very high winds dust dust was everyone we all saw it going health condone bus faller and others and we
looked at it and we made a decision that okay it's it's a windy situation was already employing best management practice but we felt those bass to beef out these best practices and study this. What does this mean? You see these puffs of wind, puffs of dust and flying off the landfill. And they do happen on the
roads. They happen everywhere in the dust blows biker bikers on the trails. Bl dust blows around everywhere. It just does. Um so we set up two quantitative continuous measuring devices that basically suck in the air on a continuous mode at two locations. And
what the intent was was to take the two locations, one on the landfill and one on the downwind side of the landfill toward the laurel circuit street areas at the prevailing wind direction which was west southwest. So wind varies a little bit. It kind of does this does
that but predominantly the wind in our area is west southwest. So we set up these two stations monitoring for 3 months continuously bells and whistles. anything part. We had a standard that we had to live for and we measured conservatively total dust that went in
there. We didn't separate it out to 2.5 microns or 10 micron. We we measured total dust as a conservative measure to compare against DP's standard and EPA standard, a bar that's protective. And by the way, this is this is dust. It's a nuisance dust. It's not toxic. The
dirt's not toxic. It's dust. So we got this data after three three weeks and we did notice and I got the graph I brought with kind of small but we know it's little blips that we have this bar this level that is protective of residential homes and we got these
little spikes now but the the the standard is based on 15minute duration sustained duration of wind at that level. So yes we did get spikes but the 15minute average sustained average was below the bar. Okay. So, we do
acknowledge that there's puffs and you're going to get puffs out there now and then. And Marilyn's doing her damn best to control it. She really does. Marilyn's team does a fantastic job. And I I will say unequivocally of the sites that I've been involved, this is the this is the best run site I've ever been
on and I just want to say that in front of everybody and kudos to I really. So, you know, this is what we did for for 3 months. We sent the data to D. looked at it and we figured well it is what it is. It's not a continuous high level problem. You're going to get pulled into
she's doing her best to manage that. So I don't know if you want to add on to that but those are the three things the gorilla snot that we've added since that incident in 2023. It's an awful name. I didn't name it but it does it's a good product that works. Um you know approved the master EP and we apply that
especially going into the months now where you can't always use a water truck because they can't put that on the roads. But we are even looking into warming that well. We don't take any resources from the towns. We don't, you know, we don't use town water. Um, you might want to talk a little bit about
the water. So, everything we use is is self-contained and efficient. So, is there is nothing that we take. Um, so if you want to talk >> Yeah, the brown water too is is important to talk about. I'm actually going to be out there sampling tomorrow and and Friday uh with another guy. We
sample four wells on the Republic side and four wells on Maryland side and two service water points in the bog areas uh twice a year and we do we follow protocols for sampling all you see us out there we got a pile of equipment like this big pumps and bottles and you
name it we have to go for and the data that we've gotten over the past uh 10 10 years or so it's gotten better and better and better that really right now is compliant with drinking water stands. It really is. Even though treating water doesn't apply, it's that clean. It's It
amazes me >> the quality of the water. And that's on record. People can look on the record and look the date up and call them if they want, but I think the water is fine uh so far. So, so that's kind of what I had to share.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. I think we'll open it back up to the board then if you have any questions for anybody. I know on the first one, you know, as I mentioned, you know, the Bridgewater parcel is how we got involved. We were left with land that we couldn't use. And you know, working with Republic, they came to the table and
worked with us. And um again, not throwing them under the bus, but they did come and work with us. And what we found using this RCS to a toilet, oh my god, so is that it it works as a good filter. RCS1, RCS 2. Now, your board's previous
did do other approvals with us. We was looking at other things to bring in revenue at that time. We are not looking to do that with these type of soils. They they work. They're like a filter. And we and we've gotten clean and we are now able to use our side of the land. And we're figuring, well, if it's not
broken, why fix it? So, we don't want to go up with any different types of soils on this corrective action. We just want to do the corrective action with the soils we've been using that have pro that have proved to clean and be safe for health and human environment and have worked and you know again the data
is out there that you can see and and look at. So um you know it's a familyun business. we're down there 7 days a week to make sure that nothing's nothing's up. And uh you know, we're just trying to do good with our community, too, is what we can do with it to maybe bring something in or post closure uses, but I
mean, the reality is the landfill wasn't closed right now. We're seeing the repercussions and they they're not good. You can't, you know, I could walk away and say Bridgewater is all set, but is there the landfill? No. So, um I'm happy for the board first to please. Um you
know, it it's a lot. I know when I first, you know, got into this as a nurse, I was like, whoa. Um so, it is a lot to digest. So, my my team is here. The experts are here and and please feel free to answer, you know, ask any questions. And then again, I definitely want to open a respectful dialogue with
the public because there's a lot of misconceptions and people have to understand what we really do. RCS2 sites can be anywhere, not just a landfill. You can have an RCS2 site as long as you're 500 ft away from a residential area. I don't know if Jared or um want
to weigh in on that. >> Yeah. RCS2 means that you're not located within 500 ft of a resident's park, um aquifer, uh school, daycare, things like that. Every RCS1 applies to residential
school, daycarees, anything sensitive. cross to everything else. >> Right. And when you look at, you know, the um the front, you have a custom bike shop out there, which we really don't want any dust out there. Our land is all to the west along with Halifax. Um there's 50 acres of Halifax out back. Uh
the power lines uh are by national grid and that's where they can't be draining on further. Then it stops there and then it picks up with Republic again where you see a lot of kids doing their bike trails and stuff like that. Also an area where people throw a lot of trash. So we do try to get over there and get some mattresses, but I mean that's the area
and then I'm not sure who owns the box. I know that Bob Delari has checked in with that person in the past, but that's the way the land goes. So there's really no residential of direct abut within 500 ft of us. I think the furthest might be about 2,000. Have to measure it, but we
are truly the abund national grid and then McDonald Industries on the other side. BFI going straight back again after the power lines. Republic catches it up and then I would believe the power uh the bar owner would probably pick up right at the edge of of uh of their things. We have the commercial land out
front that we always check into make sure that they're okay. Any dust problems mentioned my grandson goes across the street. I've checked in with them any dust problems but I can honestly say you know I've driven by places we manage that dust to the tea cuz I'm a nervous Nelly. So, and gorilla
snot, as much as I hate the name of it, does work and does help us. And we do extra vegetation too because one mother we know is mother nature and sometimes she's had the control. So, we now leave some stock piles that have grown in and
that helps us with with any dust of the trucks coming in and stuff. So, we're always very transparent. Didn't have our door open. you're welcome anytime down and we you know take advice and you know like I said I I've learned over the years it's it's not my first rodeo now
it was back in 2013 but it's not my first rodeo this time but I can tell you one thing I feel very comfortable down there I've lived down there we have one I think 4th of July you know my family's on site every day my friends are on site it's a closed work net and we there
check in seven days a week and I bring my grandchildren over there to ride around So if there was anything I thought I was doing wrong, absolutely not. I'm here to improve our community, our environment because it was not and I'll tell you this honestly in good shape when I said this. So thank you.
>> Okay. >> Um so I think we're going to have the board have questions and then we'll open it to the public. Um could you gentlemen do me a favor? Could you move your chairs this way just so that way the camera can see the board and then we can move the microphone for committee members out there. May I go first? Thank
you. Um, so I was at the last meeting. I know Cam, you watched the recording and it seems like the last meeting this was being sort of presented as we're sealing it, we're closing it, we're done. Tonight we didn't talk about any of that. Now it's a corrective action. So
I'm trying to figure out is which is it? Cuz we didn't talk about sealing it at all today. Last time the focus was we're going to seal it, we're done. Tonight was more of it's a corrective action that we need to do. So maybe that was on me. I mean, I get nervous when I present. I'm not really a presenter, but
it's um if you remember, Bob did open it up by saying it is a corrective action. My term about sealing, it means you're going to seal it so it doesn't come back and haunt you cuz right now it is haunting us by, you know, with the seage of the drainage and stuff like that. So
it is a corrective action, but um because the liner has lifted in certain areas, you do have to go to the toe is what we call it. And then you, you know, you work your way up and sail it from there. So if I misled you on that side, >> that's okay. I'm just trying to get, you know, figure this out and definitely not my area of expertise. Um,
>> so let me just touch on that too. There is sections of cap on the on the side slopes that are exposed. So now you have the actual poly um the basically the plastic is exposed to the sun. The cover materials have washed off. >> Okay. >> Because the storm water is not controlled. So we're going to put
material on top of that. basically cover it up like she's saying, seal it, control the storm water to prevent it from from reeroding down the side slopes. >> So, the plan is still to seal it. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. If I just add to that, we're not
reopening the landfill. >> Um, we're just protecting the existing cap from dam further damage. >> Okay. So, >> and stabilize in stabilizing it. >> Okay. So, that brings me to my next question. So, I'm I'm less concerned about the quality of the soil. It sounds
like that is very well regulated and you do a great job. My concern is more with the size. So you talk about the slopes collapsing and you know seeping. If you move it to the very edge of the property line now you have no buffer. What keeps this from happening again in the future?
>> Yeah. So okay I say the design that we have it now has a burm there several downshoots that are going to control the storm water to keep it from eroding like it has in the past. But down at the bottom, the toe of the slope, there's now a burm. So any water that makes it down to the toe of the slope, it'll hit
a burm and it'll get redirected to the storm water basins instead of going out to the power lines and the >> weapons. You know, that was sort of my concern last time and remains my concern is that when you move anything on your property right to the property line, you now have no buffer from any of the
abutters. >> Could I address that? And Jared, correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the proposed design that we ran by D, we're not expanding the footprint at all of the landfill.
>> What's that drawing? >> Reestablishing >> a 3 to one slope to the landfill. >> Correct. >> That's the footprint of the landfill. >> So, it already goes to that blue line. >> It already does. >> Yes, it already goes. >> We're adjusting the grades that are on there now. So there'll be a burm now at
the toe where there wasn't previously. The toe is basically the bottom of the slope which is in case you're not familiar with that. >> Could we just can um maybe what to help too is I know when I did you know I said I worked a lot with Bob and Cody but one thing they wanted to see on that eastern slope was
a retaining wall. So I Bob was um able to with his schedule come out and see a retaining wall whether it's soil what so it it doesn't go past that area. Now with us at Bridgewater, we had the luxury and he saw the other day that we
had 8 acres to make that western slope. You guys can't go past that. You can't go past where you are. So you have to make sure the 3:1 is where you're working in that area. Again, we had the luxury of having that 8 acres, which is why you're seeing the Bridgewater side
not higher. We were able to make that 3:1 slope with the room that we had side. If that helps you. >> Okay. And I guess the last question that I've sort of been struggling with, and I don't speak for the whole board, just for myself. Um, it sounds like this is something that should definitely be
done. My question is, does it have to be done on this big a scale? Um, all respect, this is a business for you, right? You get money for the soil you bring in, so it's a business for you, but our job is to ask, is it best for the town? Is it safe for the people around it? So I guess my question is can
it be sealed and fixed on a smaller level without making it this big? >> So you want to take that I mean >> yeah I mean I think I talked about it earlier but when we're bringing out the toe of the slope we also need to increase the the the side slope of it
too needs to be at a 31 >> um slope on it. >> So this is the only way that this problem can be fixed. >> The calculations yeah the the import works out too. There's no smaller way, no way to bring in less fill to cap it. >> Nope. for the 3 to1 and I apologize last
time I actually because you know working with CEC right now we don't go into any major plans until we have the concrete you know bases with D and have talked to the towns and you know as you know bridge one or two what these two towns have joint we work together with everything is I did have the wrong
rendering plans because we threw so many back and forth but it came in at 158 and that was right where Bob and Cody and I really wanted to hopefully see it fall was between that 155 and 160 because the 3 to one is completely gone. There's not even a one to one out there. So the answer is yes, that's what you need. No,
we're not going to go out and extend the landfill. And once we do this, it will settle. But that's okay. It's going to settle the right way. It's not going to be two feet on a cap and nobody has to go back out there again. That's why I use the phrase seal it like a tomb so it doesn't come back and haunt again.
>> Okay. So there's no concern that increasing the slope and filling it over time is going to do the same thing. Settle out >> and get wider. I mean, gravity would say if you put a bunch of dirt on top, it's going to settle out and get wider. >> Actually, what this volume and what
we've been bringing in so far will do. It's called surging it. So, we're putting basically a surge pile on top of it. It's compressing it right now, and it has been probably over the last few years, but it's compressing it enough it won't do that in the future. It should have mild settlement but not what we've seen in the past.
>> Okay. Yeah. The design is the proposed design is to stabilize what is now unstable as a result of a closure that happened in 1995. And that that was collapsing slopes in
the top of the landfill because there was solid waste that deteriorated. Um, and so this the shape it's misshapen and it's and as a result of the misshapen landfill, the sediment is
being washed off. The storm water is not controlled. The top of the landfill is creating big, you know, divots which um where water collects and threatens the integrity of the cap. So we ran this design by D and said we think this is
going to stabilize an old plan closed landfill and they agreed that it was an an appropriate design. >> Yeah, I don't question that. I just I'm curious if it can be done in a um I guess a a smaller scale, but it sounds like not
>> no. >> All right, those are the questions I had. I just want to ask so the the berm that you talk about at the bottom of the toe, whatever. So, what is that? Is that soil? What's that? >> Yeah, an RCS1 soil burm. So it's the cleaner soil at the very base of it
>> that will be built up and and collected and redirect the storm water towards the basin. >> So it won't be discharging across the power lines will be going into a basin as designed. >> So that's R you said it's RCS1 soil >> correct >> and final cover too. >> Yeah. Yeah. Final cover too as well.
>> And then you know once again what what stops that from eroding or >> there will be um it it's cap. >> Yeah. Well, it's going to be to be reinforced with stone. You know, it's a stone swale. It' be grass on the sides of it to keep from eroding. So, okay. >> It's not just soil.
>> Okay. >> So, I unfortunately I think I left my clipboard on the back of the truck. I'm known to do things like that, but I did have a picture with me of what we did on the western side where there's a cap on Halifax. There's no cap on Bridgewater, just on the area we made them fixed a few years back in 2012. So our western
slope is completely all soil like loom gravel, you know, it's got clay in there and it just it grew beautiful. So with no cap, it can't grow on top of a cap. You only have a couple of feet. So that's what it will get more enhanced growing. And again, we left that up to you guys too once this storm water was
in if you wanted to see Republic still mowing it or did you want to see it more coming in naturally with the trees that would be put up top? I left outside natural growth and and Bob you saw it the other day that 3 to one slope all natural. That's you know why it would
grow all natural because there's no cap to stop it. >> Doesn't look like a typical landfill but you can see with no trees or anything on it. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> But that's your view. You can tell me what you think. >> You got any questions? >> No.
Just as far as the soil volume too, this is typical uh that volume of soil is typical for a project of this scale. So it's not anything out of the ordinary. >> Okay, that answer your question. >> Okay, so I'll put up the microphone. So we can take questions now from the
community. Um if you have a Oh, did you have a question? >> Why bother? >> No, not specifically. Um I I would offer my input being that um I I I did do a sitewalk um with Maryland on Monday. Um
I do have experience pretty extensively in this area with landfills at Otis and the city of Tom and the town of Mboro. Um so I do feel confident that I will be able to have some um valuable input moving forward. I also do think I have a
very um clear understanding of the current state of things. Um so as a health agent, my two things that I would be interested in now is first hearing what the resident's concerns are more
specifically and then uh for me going backwards now and and educating myself about the full history of it that brought us to where we are. >> Sounds good. Thank you so much. So, the process would be um you raise your hand, we'll call on you. You need to uh come up to the mic, tell us your
name and where you live. Um go ahead. Sorry. I know you've been waiting. Members of the board, my name's Bill Russell. Um I'm the last, I believe, surviving member of the board that was here for during the entire process of closing the landfill. And
this is a definitely back to the future. Um, one of the things that the board needs to understand which we, you know, which hit us like a in the head with a 2x4 is that it's a totally unlined landfill and we had surrounded area was
our residents with wellwater. Um, I would like to know what happened to the monitoring wells that were in place at that time. Um when I was we were also at the health agency at that time and um there was a
leech leech burst on the bridgewater side that was really severe and that was taking some time to repair that was they were bringing in clay. They were bringing everything in cuz there's a big wetland there little pond stump pond right there. Um
we lost a couple of residents in the circus street area. Um the it was an increased risk of um a particular deadly disease and um the the whole situation
came to a head and it was to my as far as I know resolved. My question is you have a material that's not this with issues with water and contaminants but at this level and I don't know what that
level is but you also have runoff now where is that runoff going that you are basically saying that you have trouble containing it so where is it going if it's not making it into your retaining point. Um, also you you're talking about
openings in the the original cover from the '90s. What's coming out of that, if anything? Hopefully there isn't anything. And um what issues are going on with taking care of possible runoff and um
future exposure of the cover from the 90s. Um, this is really an amazing thing that I that's kind of like hit me by surprise and I don't have anybody else around other than some residents that witnessed everything that we went through. And we
had a a meeting in town and overwhelmingly voted that that was going to be completely closed and nothing nothing that was going to be potentially hazardous. the tremendous of Halifax that went through all that and live in
that area was ever going to happen again. And I don't understand how long this is going to take. We knew that it was going to that it was going to eventually um compress itself, but to what extent we didn't know,
nobody knew. I mean, this was pretty new stuff, especially with an unlined landfill. Okay? There was nothing, no procedures, nothing was taken care of. to protect the environment and the um the water the
water level at the time. So the engineering company back then did a lot of they had a lot of experts and lawyers and they had wells all the way around it. What happened to the town was
supposed to be getting these uh reports on a regular basis. You must have that in your files. Somebody needs to know what's going on with that cuz there's still a lot of people. Anybody in this room that lives in the area still on?
So, this is something that we need to um be be on top of. And as far as coming out with the footprint of it to the like you said to the um buffer, the land, you know, how many years is it going to take to
complete this? because the original dome uh was supposed to be done a long time ago. Uh I appreciate your time. Good luck to you. >> Thank you. >> And good luck to the people at Halifax. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> There was multiple questions there. Wells. >> If you don't speak for the board a little bit with that. Um, from the information that I've seen, um, we did a well inventory survey back about probably four, five, six years ago. It's
embedded in one of our SRMPs. We identified the surrounding wells. There were some drinking water wells in the periphery outside of 500T, but I think it's further away across the street across 6 Laurel up in that way. Um, so that that data on who's got wells and
that that was done four, five, six years ago. It's in the SRMP. Um, what I do want to mention is the wells that we're sampling right now, they're a they're a series of eight little shallow wells. Four of them around Republic landfill,
four of them around Maryland's landfill. And those shallow wells guard the first level of water. Okay? So, we can see it as anything going into the aquifer. We can see it as the first shallow wells. And those are the wells that I pointed to that are cleaning up and look really
good. But Republic on their own initiative as part of their postclosure work has other wells around their facility that they do sample. I think it's semianual and I've seen their reports. I'm not sure who who gets them but they are sampling. They do it on
>> well I know Bob Larry would get the republic wells and then we would send him our reports afterward. So I do know that they would be in the health act of health agents filed. >> So I'm concerned about what's going on now in the shallow ground. I want to make sure that's not affected by what we're doing, but the public is
continuously sampling those other wells, vehicle wells that may be in the same depth. >> Thank you. >> If I can add add to that, um, first of all, yeah, the the landfill was closed 30 30 years ago. U, it's BFI, Republic
landfill. Solid waste was put in the landfill and it was capped. We had nothing to do with that. That was BFI. It's been capped for 30 years. And a lot of the concerns that you were raising, very good concerns,
legitimate concerns about the cap eroding and things washing into the land around the landfill and into the groundwater is exactly what we're addressing. It's exactly what we're addressing. Um, and point of fact, we're
not opening the cap. We're not reopening the landfill. We are putting soil on top of the landfill in such a way that's designed to protect and um and control
the landfill as it's closed. Um including managing the storm water that's running off of it. Because as we mentioned earlier, because the landfill is settling, you know, instead of a 3:1 slope on the sides of the landfill, it's
a concave and the the uh storm water bench is designed to direct the storm water to a storm water settling basin. It washed away. And so that storm water is washing
down the side of the landfill into wetlands on that on national grid property where the power lines are. Well, we're what we want to do is not expand the the footprint, but start at the toe of that slope and fill in that
concave area with soil that is approved by D. Um like Rick explained, um there's in terms of the uh groundwater monitoring wells that were installed at the time of the closure,
they're still there and BFI Republic are still monitoring them. And D requires that all these landfills that were closed 30 or more years ago need to still be monitored by the owners of a
landfill. And so they're still being monitored and the and the um results are publicly available. In addition to those existing monitoring wells, DP as part of our approval for the soil fill project,
we put in additional wells that that Rick talked about. So in terms of the danger of the landfill, this proposal is addressing those dangers. We're not increasing any risks
that are there. We're our proposal is designed to mitigate those risks. >> Thank you. And we're in and and this is really a as D required us to do is a public presentation so the public knows
about it. But all the approvals they go through D. So once we go through this public process we're going to go into D. We're going to prepare final uh or proposed technical design plans for D.
Their engineers are going to look at it make sure it is going to work. And then there's going to be an approval process from D. >> So you're saying we don't have a vote? >> No, there's no we D requires no. I mean you can vote whatever you want to vote
on, but the approval is through D, not through the local board of health. I just want to clarify that because I I here is saying they have to educate open. This is nothing that we have a say in.
>> This is an ational exercise to make sure the public and public officials are aware of this project and have the opportunity to provide input. >> But you do have a say and as a community resident too, you do have a say. That's why we do it for public input.
>> Okay. Great. >> Go ahead, Chris. >> First to that, the D told me >> Can you I'm sorry. Can you just come to the mic and tell us who you are? Sorry. Where you live? >> Uh Chris Winnowitz, 129 Circuit Street. Previously the D told me to make their decision they need letters of support
which are all on record from the selectman and board of health in the past to approve these additional >> Okay. >> So that's why I thought you were here for >> I I vote and do a letter of support and send it to the D. >> Bob had made it seem like we had to
>> consider the options as well. But we can certainly look into that. >> Yeah. >> I mean I thought that's >> I mean that's the way I've always done it with my towns to be honest. Can I I mean, of course, I want my town support, so that's always done it. >> Right. >> In the previous phases of this project,
the board of health has issued letters of support to D. >> Okay? >> And if it if this board uh finds that it wants to do that, it's free to do that, but it's not a requirement for D approval. >> And like I said, it was a little
different with the last board, too, when we were going through approving that higher soil use. That was a the choice of the town and us like so that was an approval that came from your previous board for the use of the COM 97 which we do chosen not to use.
>> Okay. But I suppose we could write a letter to D also saying is there a way to do this on a smaller scale these are our concerns. Whether it made a difference who knows but we would have that option I would guess. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Continue. Go ahead Chris. You ask your questions. >> Uh the other thing when this first started back around 2018 couple years
after that I contacted the D. They described a totally different situation. They described this as that they were running out of areas to put this contaminated soil in Massachusetts. They had to come up with new rules. Part of those rules, they found this dump so
Maryland could start this project to bringing it in from all over New England. At that time and even the original documents, it was nothing about fixing the cap. This was a place strictly to bring soil to get rid of it. At the time they started their project on the Bridgewater side, they found that's only when they found there were
problems with the cap. About 5 years ago from the DP, they said they had to fix that cap cuz it was holding up this project, which this project was totally different than fixing the cap. Once that cap was fixed, they keep saying that they're not expanding the footprint of
the dump. The original dump, the slope was here and it ended at this fence, the town line. If you look at all their engineering documents now, which I think he added another one in the screen, all this was flat ground. This is all becoming a slope now.
So, they've well extended the also showed it's just not the top here going from here all the way to here and then down there's going to be 140 I mean 170 ft or the difference from what he was saying. So, that's not matching up with what they're saying at all either.
The other thing with the dust monitors, they put one here and one here roughly if you look at their documents. And for those three months, uh the wind was on the strong days was
kind of going this way. When they did their report, they didn't include any of the information on where the wind was coming from to say if it was blowing to those monitors or it was going a different way. Uh from there I spoke to a region one uh EPA in Boston. I spoke
to DP uh air quality division. They were west of Boston. They said that was not the correct way to do a dust study to do a real conclusive dust study. There should have been a ring of dust monitors around the whole property. So any certain day they can tell which way the wind's going pick up.
The other thing that was brought up is that you know the EPA even told me it's down to 2.5 micron. That can be done by construction sites and everything. And that is the most dangerous smallest particles. As little as 12 mile winds can blow it for miles.
When I brought out the EPA, I mean the DP in Lakeville, the solid waste division who was approving this project, they told me they weren't even aware of the air quality standards. I even sent him a link to the EPA.
>> He said, "That's another division. We don't get into that." So, they didn't even put that in their requirements, a measure on that. But then when they finally did do it, they only used the 10 micron. They didn't even measure down to the 2.5 smaller, more dangerous particles. When I questioned the DP in Lakeville about
that, they just wouldn't answer about it. Then he came out and met with us neighbors one time, we asked those questions again, uh directly asked him, you go to like your co-workers in the air quality division since you even said yourself, you're not aware of these air quality
standards. He said, no. He said we could call the air quality if we wanted to ourselves. >> Respond. >> Thank you, Chris. Sure. >> Just to clarify the dust monitoring locations. So, I got them on this plan here.
So, we had the same way. We had one monitor about here or so and then another monitor. >> Well, there's that one I was talking about. >> Yeah. >> So, they all
What we were focusing on was the residences of concern. Our dust monitors were here and here, >> but this residents here. Would you let him do the response? You have time to talk. >> The prevailing wind for the study, okay, for our focus study was west southwest.
>> We captured ball dust. We captured 2.5. We captured 10 less than 2.5 less than report. >> Total dust. >> It specifically says it was only 10. You report right to the key. >> It clarifies total dust. >> Okay. It says right in 10 micron only.
>> Total dust. It's total dust. >> Yeah. So you only really care about a couple houses over here. You don't care about Highland Estates. Pine Street. It's 50 acres in between that which would be, you know, we get a lot of clearing within. We have a, as you know, a lot of trail bikes too that make a lot
of deaths, but of course we care about those residents. But they do actually have 50 acres in between that that is owned by Republic Services. That's industrial as well. >> Just the EPA even said it travels miles. So 50 acres isn't there were videos of
it traveling miles across Pine Street. Well, >> when I when I say prevailing wind during dry conditions, prevailing wind is generally from the west northwest west of the the more damper weather winds are from the east and south southeastern storms. So, we wanted to focus on it was
a dry time of year, dry dust. We saw where the dust was going. >> We saw where it was coming off the land. We wanted to look in that direction as a focus. >> And these are voluntary. In other words, you don't have to do that, but I wanted to do. >> And just to touch on it, since then, like she said, we've been applying the
Gorilla Snot, what they call it, and that's basically it's a polymer that we mix with water, spray it on the landfill. It basically glues the loose soil down to the landfill. So since then there's been virtually no dust issues. It >> was approved by DP. >> Yeah, it was also approved by
>> your vegetation on the side. So you're good. >> It's it's used at many other landfills in the state and you know was actually developed in Afghanistan for when the helicopters were landing and generating dust you know to protect the soldiers over there. But that's what we use out there and since then it's you know
mitigated the dust um issues out there about 99. >> Can I ask how you monitor that dust or determining there is no dust? We spray it out there several times a year if not quarterly or more. Um, >> but since 10 micron and 2.5 micron isn't
visible, how are you determining it's not there? >> Well, we're gluing it down. I mean, we're going by visible dust. >> So, EPA says visible dust isn't as a concern. It's the smaller invisible. >> Federal stuff is not Yeah, this isn't
hazardous material. It's not hazardous soil. It's not toxic. EPA regulations it's doesn't matter to let the soil those radicals alone whether those contaminants are not dangerous. >> Okay. So I think the there's a point of question about the air quality and the
dust. So that is something we'll continue to look into. We can go back and forth with I said you said but um I think we can move on to the next question. >> Go ahead. Thank you. Um Deb with 68 Sycamore Drive. Um, that's all nice what
we're hearing tonight about corrective measures, but what I'm wondering is why weren't these corrective measures done on the first extension request, not the third?
And I would bet this isn't the end. In another couple of years, there'll be another extension request because they need to keep going higher to stay in business. And let's face it, it is a business. It's a money-making operation.
And I urge this board, even though you don't have voting rights on this, which to me is wrong, has a huge effect in this town, to write that you do not approve this.
This expansion is not in the best interest of the town of Halifax or its residents and would further compound existing environmental, public health, and community impacts. Maryland's Landing is already above the
natural tree line. And I don't care if we get once in a while puffet little puffs that we heard tonight. Shouldn't be any. Should not be any. Allowing that dust has fine particulate
matter blowing all over our neighborhoods. Shouldn't be happening. Residents have observed that. They have videos of the dust. It's only going to get worse the higher they go.
>> Increasing that height will just intensify the hazards. >> It's dirty dirt being brought in. >> It's contaminated dirt.
It's not beach sand or sandbox sand. It's the largest you wanted people to allow you to finish. You allow us to finish. >> It's also important which someone does not brought up tonight is the traffic on
our roads. In less than 3 months, 100,000 tons have been brought into Halifax. And considering an 18wheeler holds about 30 tons,
that's between three and 4,000 trucks one direction cuz they're also traveling our roads to leave. And millions have been brought in since 2017 18 when this went into business.
We don't need that. And to what Mr. Russell said, "Well, I remember that very well cuz it was my well water that was supposedly safe to drink until it wasn't." Okay,
that vote in 1993 was 399 to 41. And I think that said loud and clear that this town wanted that landfill closed, capped, and done.
not just for household waste but any type of operation. Our intention was that nothing would ever be there again. Thank you. Thank you. That actually um you bring up a good point actually a
question I have now. Last time you did talk a lot about how this would be it. You were going to be closing it. This would be the last step. Didn't really hear that tonight. Is that still the plan? Like once this is complete there'd be no more fill. This would be the end. >> I don't believe it. >> Well, you know what? It's a third request.
>> With with no, you know, disregard to the Worth family. They they've had a problem with the dump since the old days. I get it. We were wrong by the dump, too. But we're here correcting the problems. >> Okay. So, this is still a >> Your plan is is a finite plan. Still
fanning >> to close. Okay. Just want to clarify cuz we I feel like we talked about this last time and didn't come across tonight. Yeah. >> Yeah. I know Bob Valerie last time had nothing but great things to say about how you rectified a lot of the issues that were at the old dump. Um and I
believe every word of that. The question now is moving forward the residents concerns and obviously we're here to hear some of those. So >> I I mean I did certain property on my own side when I was doing stuff so it wouldn't do something good. Everybody thinks
you're doing something bad. I have a question for you guys. >> You know, if you want it in written, hey, this is a it doesn't go again, that's fine. This is Republic's Lambo would fix it and there's nobody better to fix it than us. >> And I completely appreciate that. I think point was made last time that you
inherited quite a mess and have done a lot to rectify that. >> Why wasn't that done at the first extension? >> That's I was going to ask question. I was going to ask for you to answer her question. >> Was just on Marilyn's property. That was the original um film over there was on
Merrill's where it was officially inside. >> If they want the real long story, it's because we couldn't be if I wouldn't come to the table. So that was two and three. >> They they left and they left a storm of our stuff on the Bridgewater side. They never put a drain in. Everything collapsed. All the dirt was
on our side. You know, my father-in-law back in the ' 90s had to take him to court. They settled out of court. They still didn't come back and fix the drainage. Got to love my father-in-law. He was gone. now you know problem >> a lot of problem yeah so so now I'm trying to you know rectify our land that
we can't use because it's completely contaminated from what they did >> and if you can't do it this time there'll be another extension request >> please let me talk I just let you so we that's why Maryland's leaving the first phase started on Bridgewwater that's when you heard from Eric Badger the last
time how we said just bring in the stuff we worked great with DP they did make them put in a drain and fix the cap on their bottom side and then it was to fix western slope on the next phase. So now like I said Mark D has been down there. This landfill does anyone in the state needs a correction. Why? I believe
because they got closed so quick that no proper protocols were put in. I wasn't doing the landfill back in the day. But I can tell you being down there for years that back basin hasn't taken an ounce of water. It's gone in our wetlands. It's you know. So, >> and I can appreciate and like I said,
Bob last time had lots of of praise for the job you've done to fix the poor situation that you inherited. But on the same side, we can see the residents concern of, you know, they were told that this was going to be closed and now all of a sudden it's reopened and we're still adding things to it.
>> It's not reopened again. That's >> well, but I'm sorry. You're right. It's not reopened, but >> we're not taking >> things are still coming in. It's growing. It's still growing. Perfect. The material that we're taking in, I think Dawn was going to speak on this, but it's technically unregulated. We could take the material out of this site, the soil that we're bringing in,
and put it on any any commercial industrial uh piece of piece of land in the state without D or town authorization, >> you know, up to 100,000 yards. Then you start to >> So, I guess I used the wrong word. They're concerned that they thought it was closed, but it's still growing. >> That's I'm just saying that's how low
the the load contaminants are in the summer. Please think about our roads and what I say on the tonnage. >> It's what's considered clean soil for this type of site is is the soil that we're bringing in. Typically, when you're doing a landfill cap repair, um you bring in what's known as COM 97
soil. I don't know if you guys are familiar with that term at all, but it's basically much higher levels than what we're proposing at this site. We're bringing in what is considered clean soil at this site. It's under the RCS2 that's not regulated. It's below those.
So once you get above RCS2, then your um DP, you're basically creating a release. Then you get your release tracking number. I'm sure you guys have probably seen some notifications. Um RTN's come in through through D. Every time there's an RTN, I believe you guys are supposed to get notified of it.
Um this soil is below those levels, so technically it can go to any industrial commercial site in the state as long as there's no private wells within 500 ft as you mentioned. >> Okay. not doing anything is >> uh Frederick Holly for 57 Laurel Street
and fortunately I'm married to a toxinologist. Um >> I can you guys hear me? >> It's it's for I'm sorry it's for the recording and I think you might have something like for for the town for anybody who's viewing it. Thank you
>> Frederick Holly 457 Laurel Street. Um, first thing I wanted to mention, you talk about wells. When I went to the town of Halifax this summer to inquire about our well, it wasn't listed on their records. So, you said you checked
all the wells, >> right? How many aren't? Mine wasn't. >> We have records. >> Okay. Um, my wife is a toxicologist and one of my questions that I know that we would have is Mr. Russell, correct? told
us that there was already a blowout in the existing BFI system which contaminated and leeched contaminants into the surrounding water. You are putting hundreds millions of
tons on top of this existing BFI landfill and I foresee that we're going to have the potential for another blowout. That's going to create more problems of
contaminated materials that are below from the original landfill that you're piling on top of. I foresee issues with that. >> Yeah. >> Yes. I If you could address the concern, that'd be great. >> The RCS2 standards has a leeching
component that D has developed. >> I'm not talking about what you're putting on top. I'm talking about what's down below that already blew out and Mr. Russell said had already killed off a couple of residents here >> that was coming from the way >> sounds like an Aaron Barakovich
situation to me >> and that's kind of how I felt when I got involved with this trying to protect it >> but I don't understand why we're building on top of it our civil engineer CEC environmental consultants they've looked at the stability they've done stability analysis of this landfill and
the design material that we're we're putting on top of it and specifically looked at blowouts on the side slopes and what we're putting on there and made sure that what we're putting on there does not present the danger to to blowouts like us of that.
>> They're engineers. >> It's a book about this big. They do the stability test just when we got you know certified to take the catch basins and stuff like that. It's all it's all it's all calculated out >> and we have a letter from them too we can share. It's a stamped PD you know professional engineered letter. They
looked at this specifically looked at the side store for blowouts. >> This is just a conceptual thought. They have to go through mountains of stuff to make sure that it is the right plan, you know, so things could change, but but just saying this
is the concept. But yeah, I mean that's what happened to us. It blew off on our side. I mean the landfill had several fires when it closed. It's you know what I don't think people are understanding is there are issues out here that we are trying to correct and they're not even on anymore like we started with bridge
but there's major issues out there >> but don't don't your doesn't all this weight create a hydraological effect of pushing these previous contaminants into our aquafers >> you you're telling me that your
engineers have determined that what's below the existing landfill what you're putting on app. Don't worry about it. >> Yes, they have looked at that. They're they're putting a >> I don't buy it. >> If I can if I can address that, I'm not a technical guy. I'm a lawyer, right?
But the what I learned from D and I worked at D for many years is the biggest threat to contaminating the groundwater from solid waste that had long been buried in the landfill is if
the cap is disturbed. if a cap gets punctured or exposed. What we're doing is protecting that cap from being exposed. Okay. >> So, what we're doing is not going to increase risk, it's going to mitigate risk
>> to groundwater. So, another question that I have about the burm that you're proposing along the edge, is this an impervious burm or are we going to be able is there going to be the propensity for water to leech contaminants through this berm into my drinking water?
>> Yep. So, the the water that's coming down once we repair this thing, the water that's going to be coming down is going to be clean storm water. It's not going to come in contact with any waste. is RCS1 the clear. >> Well, it says it's RCS2 materials that are put on top. >> No, not on the very top. There's a
there's a cap that's going on top of it which consists of RCS1 material and then lmen seed and some trees that's going on top of but so it'll never come in contact with the RCS2 soils the waste you know the trash waste underneath it but again leech is generated by the
surface water penetrating through the landfill coming in contact with the waste and leeching out. This design keeps the surface water as surface water, redirects it down the side slopes into basins that and then it can be properly controlled instead of pooling
on the cap in the divids that are currently out there and penetrating through creating >> and there's no way to fix the issue without going out to the edge of the boundary. >> Like you talked about the blowouts. That's also why we're putting material on the side slopes to to if you only put it on the top then it wants to go out.
When you have the 3:1 slopes on the side, that's what makes it stable. >> I don't buy it, but I'm Amy Troop, 10 Hillside Avenue, Halifax. Um, I have a few questions. You
say that you have um shallow wells to catch water to test. Can you tell me how many uh inches or feet those are or >> Yeah, they're typically uh 15 to 20 15 to 30 feet below grade. >> Do you have how many are 30?
>> Um probably half of them are 30 and half of them are 15. >> Can you show me where they are? >> Um yeah, approximately. This doesn't show it, but I can tell you where they are. So we have three wells. One, two, three
on this slope. >> And how how deep are they? >> They're about 10 to 15 ft. And there's another well here that's >> what they're a little bit deeper than >> Hold on. You said there's one here. How how deep is that?
>> 15 ft. 10 to 15 ft. 10 to 15 ft along this ring. And then the Republic walls are 15 to 30 ft. 1 2 3 4 somewhere in that neighborhood. That's what we agree with D to monitor for our soil placement. Okay. That's what we're
Republic has other wells all around. They monitor. >> Which one's a 30 >> here? This green here. Actually, it goes like this. And how many is from here to here? >> Four that we monitor. >> And how many total did you say that you have?
>> Eight. >> I thought you said that. >> No, said eight. They said there's more service water here, service water here. >> Okay. And who tests the water? >> Who tests the water?
>> Okay. And do you have any PR engineers on that testing or is it just you? >> I do it. I'm the I'm a certified LSP, >> right? And nobody backs it up. >> I have I have a consultants called Environmental Science Technologies. They're out there testing all the time. They help me. >> Okay. Do you hire them? >> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, they're on New York contract. >> Yes. So, and he's not part of the the project team itself. He's contracted through us to oversee. He's licensed by the state and contract. >> I have my own company. He works doesn't work for us. >> Okay. Um, what other sites have you done?
>> What other review sites? >> Yep. >> Probably 10 to 15. >> Can you name them? Uh, let's see. Blue Cemetery, uh, two in Northboro, two in Charter, Middleboro, Rainom, Douglas. No, I'm kind of like
I've started this whole procedure back 20, 30 years ago. I can name it. I can name them all. I got a list at home. >> Yeah. Can Can you Can you Yeah. Can you email the board of health, please? Those that list. >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> Um, let's see here. Um, you mentioned that
you have new wetlands. >> Yeah, I mentioned that. >> What What are the new wetlands? >> Uh, along the power lines are some wetlands that have have formed over there just due to the the surface water not um draining appropriately into the basin. So now it's draining out into the
power lines and settling out in the low spots. >> When did you discover those? >> Um, I didn't discover them. I didn't discover. They're what we call um and I'm pretty sure we we believe they're isolated on they should be on your bylaw because I know when I did the end rather
we went back because I thought they were in your bylaw. So if you took back and you go back to an old map like say 1989 Amy when the landfill was you know just uh starting to go in different phases there was absolutely no wetlands over there. When you look at the wetlands on great cedar swamp on the bridgewater side with us those wetlands I saw they
they're great they're great cedar swamp not one change over there. The wetlands that weren't there when the landfill, you know, 1999 90 that are now there in between where the power lines are and the the fence of the landfill is what we call isolated wetlands. They're not your
natural wetlands. They're they're derived from being fed drainage. So, they were fed, you know, storm water. And you you do that, you you'll get your plants and you'll you'll get some isolated wetlands. So, that's what we meant by that. >> And when did those first get noticed?
I mean, I wasn't around in the early days, but I know like, you know, I would gladly send the map to them, too. Like, we'd have to go on mass map to see when they first started growing, but they definitely weren't part of the original landfill. So, they were derived by storm
water going down the eastern slope with no place else to go cuz they didn't go to the none else goes into that basin. >> Can we get um a history of the mass mapper and get it to the board of health, please? >> Yeah, we can look at the map mapper. I'll get you the old map. Uh, we have the old map my father-in-law used that
had the landfill and you know the delineation of the wetlands. There was no wetlands on the eastern slope. >> Okay, great. So, if we could discover that, that would be a really good idea and we we should have our conservation agents look at that as well. Um,
let's see here. Um, where So, the water is that you test is it captured in those wells? Is are those the only test sites that you have? >> Correct. >> And um the wind capturing devices, the two of them that you had, what size were
those? >> They were quantitative ear monitoring devices. I'm not sure what size you mean, but they captured they were continuously monitor quantitative evaluating. I get the the name of this two or three years ago. >> Give me an idea like is it the size of a
car? Is it the size of >> set up on a tripod with a with a device on top that sucks in the monitor, goes through a filter? >> So, is it this big? Is it >> the size of size of me? >> Like a barrel? A garbage barrel? Sure. >> Okay. So, you had two of those. Okay.
>> And um you're going to get me the other sites. >> Okay. So, you you have um VS is that the correct thing? the VSS2 soils that you want to put on top of this. Is that what you called it? >> RCS.
>> Sorry. RCS. Okay. Um, who tests that at the sites? Like, so are those PR engineered? >> LSPs. >> Okay. So, when the LSP tests that soil,
did you then um re trust all of the things they said or did you have it retested to make sure what was coming out of there? I know almost all of these LSPs. I know their company. I know the diligence they pay. I know how they write. I know how they convey. It's also they have rules they got to abide by the
FCP. As same as I do for characterizing site, certain procedures they have to follow as well as me. It's all in the FCP and policy guidance by so please. >> Um >> what was that? I'm sorry. So, you know, they're ask, as I mentioned in the
discussion, they're required to test a soil that they feel is representative of that material leading that stuff. They put their license on it. I look at what they're saying. DP has the the right to audit what they're doing as well as a side feature. They can audit anything they want anytime. I've been audited.
All of us LSPs have been audited. So we are compelled by the LSP board with our license and D to do the right thing because if you don't do it right, D can throw a lot of weight at you in a board investigation. So that that's something that LSPs are fully aware of and it's a
very thorough program. As far as what uh Jared mentioned, we have a a quarantine program at the site where every at least every month I take a random load that comes into Maryland's landing that is undergoing screening and visual classification by your team. That's
where we train and they get we get a pile and I randomly test that pile just to see if that soil is what they said it was. And that's part of our requirement to do at least we call it a random audit. That could be a targeted audit. If I don't like something that's that's
happened, I don't like to feel it or we we see say we see something like a piece of debris or something or pile or smells or something, we can target audit that pile and some of them then return back. >> Do you let them know when you're going to be doing any of the audit? >> No,
>> we audit ourselves. Just to add every day, my staff is trained um with the P machines. Every load we are with. Why? Cuz again, it's our family out there. It's our property. We are with every single boat.
>> Okay. So, this is a closed site. So, who um did who who allowed you to stop bringing dart in >> into the Bridgewater side for us? >> Well, some of it's on Halifax. Is that correct? >> How it started was the Bridgewater side for us because we couldn't use our land after the land bill was closed. So, we
started filling on the Bridgewater side. That came through approval of uh Bridgewwater's uh board of health and mouse D. And then when we were uh merging it with the Halifax to Correct the West and stuff, that was a two- town project. But it's always pretty much been a two-time project even though it started with Bridgewater cuz I
communicated back in the day 2011 at Charlie's Helic like, you know, trucks will be coming in on 106. Um, you know, they they make a short turn right afterwards, you know. So, you know, my job is to make sure people are aware of what's going on. Most people when they say, "Where are you?" Like, they don't
even know we're there. But it's my job to make sure the police have a code there that everybody knows that it's there. We're there seven days a week. We're, you know, right through the woods to grandma's house and down we come. >> Can you send us the communications that you had with our um former town administrator? >> Some just looking for like the truck
traffic. >> Um pretty much all of it, please. >> I And then um also so so when you did Bridgewater have to vote to reopen or were they ever closed? It was the expansion that never went. So, it was
designed to be the expansion of the Halifax land, but they um that's shut the landfill down. It it never went. So, the expansion of the landfill never went. >> All right. But so, >> I'm not the best historian cuz I was young and having babies, but the
Bridgewater never took in municipal solid waste. So, hence we were able to start, you know, there's no uh cap. I mean there's there's no cap on our side just where they had to fix it on their um stuff sloping on us but we didn't we never had trash on Bridgewater.
>> Just a quick question. Does this any of this go through conservation at all? >> Absolutely. >> And do you have any interest in conservation with Bridgewater? >> I am the conservation chair. I was asked to join in 2012 after I did my filings. >> Doesn't that seem like a conflict of
interest? Not not when you weren't on the board and anything I did after it was like an extension I recuse myself but I was not on the board when I I didn't even know about wetlands. They approached me afterwards to come on the board because they liked what I was fighting for actually with the company
trying to you know discharging into our wetlands. So yeah I learned a lot about wetlands afterwards but no I was not on the board at the time and I am happily loving conservation and I've learned a lot. >> Okay. Um >> all there's no further filings on
Bridgewater >> conservation. >> Okay. So um how much have you um and forgive me if you've already put this but you've made the Bridgewater side higher. Is that correct? >> Bridgewater side we left at the um height of we have actually we haven't
finished it. It's kind of like if you take a phase and finish it then you can impose on the next one. So we don't want we discussed this with both town officials. I've had every probably board selected throughout the years come down, you know, >> for Bridgewater or for Halifax. >> For Halifax and for Bridgewater cuz we
run after we went through the original approvals, but then we did do some stuff like catch basins and remediation waste that was able to run through border selectment. If you're just making sure that the public is aware these are also benefits to the town. So what we do on the Bridgewater side is we want that to
be the the last to be filled. Why? And you you're welcome to come down anytime. I get excited showing people around. So the footprints expanded. >> We leave the footprints not expanded. It's the same footprint. We leave the up and down road so that nobody's going
over a landfill, you know, dangerously or anything like that. So it would be your last filling. It's the height on that has not changed to be filled, but we want to make sure that the trucks come in Bridgewater and safely exit Bridgewwater. You don't want trucks trying to exit down an old landfill or
anything like that. So we safely have it an upro and a down road. Again, anybody can come and visit me if you want. Thank you. >> How much has the elevation changed on the Bridgewater in the past um 7 years? >> You can go year by year on Google Earth
and watch it from flat. Let's have her answer. >> We haven't really been filled on the Bridgewater. We've left it operational, which means we've left it for the trust to enter. >> So, I don't know. I don't know. Like, was it you know like 50 ft off the ground and now it's 100? >> So, it was excavated back to the daily
cover for the landfill. So it was esavated probably down to I believe about 5055 >> and then now what is it? >> Uh you we they just actually flew it the other day. We're we're below level of where >> what's the height of it? >> I I don't monitor it all the time. I
don't know. 90 in one spot. Does that say 146 that 148? That's the new plans. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So where is the current um elevation? But it's not on. >> It's not on. >> Can will you get us the coronary
elevation of Bridgewater and Halifax, please? >> Yes. If you go on DP's website, it all >> No, I want it what you guys have for all public. >> Great. Can you send it to the board of health in the town of Halifax, please? I want to know what the height of
Bridgewater is right now. What it was before you started, Phil, 7 years ago. Right. >> You're saying if you want to know that information, it's publicly available. We're not hiding any of it. >> Okay. I just want to know. So, >> I could clarify on the Bridgewater side,
there was never a landfill there. And in 2013, >> Maryland started uh using that land that she owned for a soil field project. So, the the starting elevation was ground level.
>> Well, what is ground level and then what is it now? >> Whatever the you know, whatever the level is above sea level. But there was no mound there. It was a natural >> level of the ground. >> Can we have heights? Like I I need the I need the I need the heights. I mean like
we can >> that you can look it up on on >> Please send it to the town to us but I thought it was public question. >> It started at ground level and we built it up to >> But what's ground level? So if I could
take a moment please. So Amy, you're you can request all this for you, but we'll make our own requests. So if you want this information, you can request public record, but we can look it up. >> So we can't So if you would like these requests, you can make requests for
yourself. That's great. But, you know, we'll ask them what information we would like. >> And then the other thing is is um I think what else? Um, oh, we didn't get an answer on the length of time yet, but
the runoff is going to the new wetlands and is it going to anywhere else? >> Currently or proposed are you talking about? >> Currently, >> it's currently uncontrolled going into wetlands. Our plan is to control that storm water and divert it to regulated
storm water basins. that'll be treated before it's discharged into the groundwater, >> but it's not now. >> Correct. >> And is it going all over then everywhere? >> It's it's basically going into the uh
national grid right away where isolated wetlands were formed because of the uncontrolled uh discharge of storm water off the BFI landfill, which is what we're proposing to fix. Is the current height of Bridgewater higher than what
Halifax is now? >> No. >> No. >> If um so if you only need 158 ft, why are you asking for 170? in order to establish a 5% grade and then break a
slope to the crown to establish a slope so the storm water can shed instead of just sitting on top of the landfill and creating a hole and digging into the liner. >> So the if you remember Amy if you remember what I said on the Halifax act
we had 8 acres to work with. So technically now the land the landfill western slope is over there. So there was plenty of room to make that 3:1. >> All right. But my question is >> this is confusing without seeing. I know. >> So from 158 to 170 that 12 ft is
necessary to create a slope. So the storm water flows off the top of the landfill and doesn't just sit there which it is doing now. >> So truly the height would be 170 and not >> 170. Right. >> And not 158. >> Right. >> Okay. Cuz I thought that this said 158.
>> No, no, no. The break of slope is 158. >> Okay. >> And it goes up another 12 feet at a 5% grade >> that you won't see. >> And somebody else touched on this, but how would putting soil on top prevent or stop the decomposing of the landfill items already there? is protecting the
cap from eroding and tearing and being exposed to the environment and and making the trash under the cap vulnerable to being um creating Vshape that will go into the groundwater. So
ultimately it's we're proposing to protect the groundwater from being impacted by leeching generated from storm water leeching through feet and feet of waste that was
disposed there back in the 70s and 80s. >> Which is why D isn't looked in the 30-year moratoriums because they're finding that once they hit 30, they're seeing the problems. So they're not going to get out of if they'll start they get out of their monitoring system at 30 years. They ain't gonna there's too many issues in now especially with
>> Can I just ask real quick how many tons of soil been brought in since 2018? >> How many tons? >> I don't I don't >> I couldn't give you an exact number. >> Doesn't have to be exact. >> Probably several million by
>> seven billion tons. >> Several million by this point. Several >> probably two >> more than two and a half >> and yet the something probably two and a half still not protected. >> It's still not protected. >> It's a large area. >> Okay.
>> I have one more point to make and then that's one one more question. >> All right. So >> you can >> this is this is this is um so in the town of Halifax you have to be 20 ft from a sideline and 50 from a front and 40 from a back. So, you're looking to go
like right to the edge of your property lines. And I really would say that this would need a site plan application and a zoning board of appeals um variance in order to do so. >> Yeah. The land the existing closed landfill already goes right to the
property boundary. But you're you're proposing a change to that which would be >> No, we're it's like the slope is is collapsed and we're going to fill in the slope to a 3:1 slope as required by D. So we're not expanding the footprint of
the landfill or the soil component of the land. >> I think that one schematic you have is confusing because you've got the red and you're like this is where we are now and then you got the blue, this is where we're going. I think that is a point of confusion for a lot of people because it certainly based on that picture looks like you're expanding.
>> Yeah. The blue is actually the end of the L. It's the chain. So if you if anybody's walked down the power lines that's the end of the lamp right there at home which is >> So you're going up from that. You're not going out. You're going up. So it already ends at the blue. You're proposing to go up from there.
>> When we come back to the slide the town line's here. The chain link fence is here. No, it's not. It's not. >> We'll look back for you. >> So, the red again, the red represents the current approved filling project.
Okay. So, we're filling right up to the edge of the slopes right now over on Maryland's property over here. >> On top of the landfill. >> Yep. On top of just on the top of it. Now, your side slopes start down here. >> Okay. >> Going down >> and and show the bottom of the >> You can see the black dash here. That's
existing landfill boundary. It goes all the way up and around. All the way up and around over here past the red where we're where we're proposing to fill on this side. The landfill boundary does goes all the way up and around. This blue line is where we're going to
be filling to with the current. It doesn't even go onto the bridge. Uh the sorry, the next phase of this doesn't even go onto the Bridgewater side of it because there's no no modifications needed because it's not landfill. The only landfill portion is on is on the Halifax side. And that's, you know, why
we're here tonight to talk about that. >> You're talking landfill, but what about the soil use? Cuz on the other map, we just changed, it's all this, too. >> No, it's it's so if you remember there's very town line, right? Yeah. >> There's very very minor. >> The town line. >> Yeah, exactly.
>> 144. >> That's the current permit. >> That's that's not part of the landfill, >> but it's a play play on words. >> No, that also >> you're talking landfill, but we're also doing the soil reuse and creating another. So, if you know the the the current permit is for elevation 144, the
current permit, all we're asking for right here, Bridgewater side 144. That's the proposed height on this new plan over there. Over here, you're top of the slope over here where we were talking about that that uh line going up is 160
and it goes up to 158 in the corner over here. There's one little ridge line that's going to go across at 170. But getting up to there, you're going up 1 ft over every 20 ft. So, it's almost flat, but it's enough to shed the water off and keep it from penetrating into
the into the cap and really pulling under, pushing the liner down is what we're trying to avoid out there. >> Okay. >> So, it's a small ridge line that's going to be hidden by the trees. >> I I still think that it needs a site plan and a and a variance from your
zoning board of appeals and conservation. It's the board member already pointed out. This is what the old dump looked like. The dirt and now it's higher. >> No, it's this is it right here. This has been engineered, you know, land. >> It won't. But even the board member pointed out that that looks like what
the old dump >> exactly like it >> if you go out now cuz I have pictures. It's a plump tree. >> It's 12 ft. >> Okay. Is there any member of this community who has not spoken yet that would like to ask a question? >> Bill Russell actually. >> Go ahead. Well, this gentleman hasn't had a chance yet.
My name is John Doe. I live at 165 Walnut Street. Also own uh Zero Highland Woods. I am one of your buddies actually. So I understand I'm on the I'm the last house in Halifax.
So I understand that buying definitely needs to be repaired. Probably should have been like 15 years ago. Um and I get the repairs need to be done. What I don't understand is does it have to be to this extreme? There's a lot of Phil
getting brought in here. And correct me if I'm wrong, you're hired by them. Correct. Okay. So, you're the one that ultimately says what goes in there to fill you put the stamp on it. Okay. >> Correct.
>> You will hire, not someone independent. Um, and that's about it really cuz it does have to be fixed. I mean, as a resident in the town, we have to do something. I mean, it any of you guys walked around it, you see, you saw it. It's a mess. It's been that way for a
long time. >> Has to get fixed. >> But I think we're going too extreme here. Okay. And is there profit in this? There's some huge profit in this. What's the town takeback on this?
What are we getting? I mean, we're going to get our dump fixed and capped supposedly. That was done back in '95 when I built my house. Was the only reason I built back there because that place got closed, stamped, done deal.
Otherwise, I wouldn't be there. All right. Now, all of a sudden, I hear trucks running 24/7. How long is this project going to take? 247. Yeah, >> 24/7. But I mean, literally from 7 from
7:00 in the morning, actually, you guys are right on the button, too, because I'm out there 7:00 a.m. You guys have those machines running and they probably go till 3:00. You cut up a little early. >> That's correct. Makes it easier. >> But I mean, literally, I mean, I noticed
it like a month and a half, 2 months ago, because you have started on the Bridgewater side. And I'm like, is the dump back open again? What's going on? Then I find out this. So now as a resident, I'm going to get to listen to
this for another what, 8 years, 5 years, probably. >> What is the projected time frame on this? >> There was a couple questions there, but the the real benefit to the town is that we're going to be fixing this site and the lie and you know, everything else that's coming out of this is going to
stop. That's the real benefit to the town. The other benefit is there's a tipping fee associated with this that we're giving back to the town. Dollar a ton. Um so every ton that we bring in there, you know, dollar goes back to the town. Every truck that pulls in there, it's, you know, 30 to $35 a truck that's
going back to the town directly for them to spend on whatever they want. The duration of this project, we're projecting it's going to be between probably two and maybe three years to get this behind the swer than if mom and grandma were doing it.
>> And like I said, my only concern is >> as far as testing those soils, okay? You know what I mean? And I'm I trust you. It's just that you are high. And my only other question is you guys must have some really good engineers because you
know what? I'm a carpenter and the way I think of it is you got something here that's failing, got all this fill underneath it. We're going to add all that weight to the top of it, right? >> Okay. What's going to keep that membrane from puncturing? Because me as a
carpenter, if I did that on building or something, it's that top structure is only as good as what's down underneath. And if that bottom is collapsing and giving away, then guess what? That line is going to collapse again. built
two two quick points. One is um >> your test. What are the depth? Are you are you actually into groundwater the same water that the residents in the area getting their water from? How's the going down? is back when it was
engineered by the BFI um trying to get a future expansion. They could not with all their wells figure out where the plume what direction it was flowing in. >> Um so I'd like to know how where you're
getting your well, what how much water you're getting out of there. Just like this question. >> You don't have to do it now. There's any other It's almost time for my tea. And the other thing is, no offense, but you're dealing with the most
powerful boy in the town with police powers. That gentleman time can shut down any business that is going to be detrimental to the health and benefit of the community. Brilliant.
You don't charge kids. And that's why I'm always keeping communications open. >> You only respond to the roads or no? >> Sure. >> I think we already said 15 and 30 ft, right? We've already You might not have heard that 15 and 30 system there's any impact. That's the groundwater system
I'm interested in. The public monitors deeper wells around the facility. They've been doing it for a long time. >> They were made to >> Yeah. >> Okay. Go. We think we have one more. >> Phil Salvator 475 Laurel Street. Uh my question is actually going to come
deserve the tree line. I think it's first slide first. There we go. Oh, there we go. I'm talking about the tree line here from Pine Street. But the people that live on Laurel Street, especially those houses that pass Circuit right there, gentlemen,
he's going to get a Every morning he pulls out of his driveway. There's not a tree line there that's going to block him. Nope. Nope. And then what about the So there's no view here from Laurel Street and there's no view
from Plymouth Street, 106. There's absolutely no tree line there. All you're going to have is the industrial park at the end. And if who who goes down at the transfer station, you pull out the transfer station, you look right down and you're going to see
>> one big mount and it's just ugly looking. It's ugly looking now. And how many more feet you want to add onto it? >> My my son already said 2 minutes early than it did last year. >> Yep. So that's all you wanted to say.
>> Thank you. So I mean just just to address that point if there's concerns from that side, you know, we're willing to add trees going down the other side to think that >> in the back. >> There's one lady in the back who hasn't had a chance yet. Hi.
>> Yes. Thank you. >> Joanne Russell. I live on Old Plymouth Street and I just want to say in terms of education, um, there's a lot of residents who have no clue Maryland's
Landing even exists. They have no they they drive to work, they they do their thing, they have no idea what's happening. Um, one of the questions I had was you asked it, sir. What does Halifax get out of this welcome mat that
we've thrown out? What do the residents what how do we benefit? And you're telling me a dollar or $30 a truckload? Whoa. It's not a whole big benefit. Um, the other thing I want to bring out is
please do not, no offense, but the first gentleman got up and told us that dust is not toxic. Oh, I beg to dick with you. I have asthma. Trust me, dust is toxic. Dust is toxic to babies,
children, elderly, people with lung disease, people with asthma, and there's plenty of us out there. And dust, we cannot, you cannot stand up and tell us dust is not toxic, >> irritant. >> You stood here and told us that it
wasn't toxic. It is. Um, I feel like also that we're receiving decontaminated soil. Everything's decontaminated until it isn't. Plain and simple. The other thing I'd
like to know is um I'm not sure, Robert, if you could um enlighten us. What role do you play in terms of your recommendation? Do you represent the town's people? do represent along with the board of
health. How how how do you protect us the citizens of Halifax? It's >> fairly loaded question. Um but specifically, you know, as a health agent, obviously I'm I'm going to look
at um first the the imminency of a health threat, then that would that would lend itself to the action taken if it was immediate. If there's an immediate threat to health and safety, that's the
sort of thing that that warrants a closure or cease and desist. There's also more extended um studies that need to be taken place at times. I mean, it's it's a lot of it's a case by case situation in this in
this sort of position. Um, but to answer your question, as a health agent, I'm epically obligated to do my best to protect the health and safety of the residents of the whatever town or
municipality or region that I'm serving. That's my that's my professional and ethical responsibility. >> Okay. Um, there's also a certain level of standards, rules, regulations that are all in place for me to
match what I'm finding in the field up against to to make determinations on on long-term solutions. So, like uh Mr. Russell said, "Yes, in an immediate risk, if someone's someone's,
you know, dumping gasoline in baby formula, yeah, we're going to shut you couldn't be shut down immediately, you know." But like I said, also there there's also rules and regulations about operations and you you're matching it up with rules,
permits, different levels of authority. Okay, >> these are all things that would be would be taken into consideration in the course of the study, but ultimately my responsibility is to uh to do my best to protect the health and safety of the residents that I'm serving.
>> Okay. Just to conclude, I just want to say I'm happy to hear the word dump being thrown around here tonight because when I moved here in 1974, I won't I won't go into great detail. That's what we called it, the dump. Then it morphed into the Halifax landfill. Well, that
was much more civilized now in 2025. And it took me till this year to know that there's such a thing as Maryland's Landing. And I thought, oh my, that's like sounds like a resort. How clever. >> How do I know?
>> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay, >> Chris, if you have more stuff you'd like to send to us, I mean, we're happy to take it via email, but I mean, we've let everyone speak. We're going on two hours here. >> Yeah, it's just a couple other things. I mean this is one of the biggest projects ever in the town
>> and it's important to everyone's health. It's up to you, chair member. >> Just a couple things. >> Two minutes and then if anything needs to come, you know, send us additional questions here. We'll publish out whatever information we get back from them. We'll try and, you know, keep all the information out there. But
>> so, right under federal rules on the EPA's website, but dust, huge is a dust in a particular matter. The size of the pod directly linked to their potential for causing health problems. Small particles uh 10 microns especially 2.5 diameter pose the greatest problems because they can get deep into your
lungs and some may even get into your bloodstream. Exposure to such particles can affect both your lungs and heart. Numerous scientific studies have linked particle pollution exposure to variety of problems including premature death in people with heart lung disease, non-fatal heart attacks, irregular heartbeat, aggravated asthma, decreased
lung function, increased respiratory symptoms such as irritation of airways, coughing, difficulty breathing, people with heart or lung disease, children, older adults, minority populations, low socioeconomic status populations, the most likely to be affected by the pollution.
>> Okay. Thank you. uh they just say it's an irritant. The EPA says guidelines of limits that people can be exposed to. Uh the one other thing is the last meeting Maryland said this doesn't sit over an aquifer. you look at their own documents, the aquifer ends right about
under the power lines right probably like I don't know 10 ft off the property line of the dump with the water flowing that you can see on their own maps with the wells here the ground water flow goes into the aquifer I'm told we're on two aquifers
in Halifax basically on this side is our car wells as the town grows and we ever need new water the water department owns a huge piece of property for another well on the end of uh Stony which is this aquifer with the water flowing that
way a possible future contamination. So something to think about as the town grows do we ever need more water and we go contaminate it now and not have it later on. Uh the other thing is trucks sampled physically sampled randomly. How
many of those are done? You mean like the quantitative analysis that >> you would actually go out randomly >> randomly target represented a truck? >> How many? Cuz the last truckload a truckload >> how many like >> every truck gets screened, visually
looked at, screened with a meter and inspected for debris and other obvious signs of of debris or anything. I come out if there's a if there's an issue that Marilyn's points out to me, I conduct a target. I tell them just put that pile aside and we're going to test it. Otherwise, I do a random one. I just
tell them I come over. I say, "Hey, just I got a bottle." So, your company's last quarterly report that just got submitted this past month to the DP, uh, it gave a summary of the targeted random checks. There's only six trucks listed. Out of a
couple of those trucks, you found way over the limit. PCBs came up from Paul Re's industrial site, west of Boston. They got dumped there cuz sometimes they don't catch it. It gets dumped way over the limits. PCVs, chemicals. I think one time uh early in the summer it was like
70 truckloads from Logan Airport way over the limit may maybe go by memory but it does get dumped there. Correct. And it has to get segregated. So it sits there for a while with dust particles to eventually get
hauled out of there like this from the Paul River industrial site because and then if you go to that town's website they'll say how highly this land was contaminated for hundreds of years and they got to remediate and bring the soil and truck it out of there so they can build corn. Where's it going? It's going
to Hellifax. So when they dump it, everyone knows in 18 wheel it's covered on the back of the trucks on the tires. So they've already detected it, segregated it. It's way over PCBs. Truck leaves, it's hauling out the dust on the tires. Look at 106.
You can sit in the industrial back and look from thousands of trucks. The dust is cars go by. They do try to sweep it and water it in like in the summer. It dries up in 20 minutes and you can see the dust coming off the cast all one section. Brand new playground. All the
kids playing 50 ft off the road that >> Yeah. My kid. >> So, please send that information to the board you're referring to. Yeah. Okay. What I'm just saying if they randomly six trucks out of 3 months, but there were 4,000 trucks, what might get through that they don't know about?
>> Agreed to inquire by D. >> We are one site that watches every I just ask that you please do your research cuz I think we've identified many inconsistencies tonight. Oh, and one last my family, my grandchildren down there. trespassing against just one last
whenever a load does fail the QAQC analysis like he's talking about we're required to get offsite within 14 days of receiving notification >> yeah we typically try to get out of there the next day if you have to get out 14 you all know when it dumps and
slides out of the truck in windy day all dust went flying out that truck and then afterwards they identify it's over limits a little bit >> how many loads of you watch this dump >> you can sit in Pine all day long. >> These are from more residents that couldn't attend tonight. >> Okay.
>> If you want to put Sure. >> Stephan Gelfie and the Smiths. >> Yep. Thank you, >> Chairman. Can I just just make a conclusion? >> Sure. One last comment. >> Um, a lot of these concerns and questions were raised that were raised
tonight were raised at the last meeting and we addressed them at the meeting. I I'm hoping that we did a good job about addressing it tonight, >> but we did submit a written questions and responses. >> I'll look to see if we can get that put
on like the town page, let everybody have access to everything. And if there's anything further after tonight, let's get it all out there, share everything. Yeah, we'll try I'll talk to um CE. >> Okay. >> All right. Sorry,
um meeting so I'll let you guys get on to >> Thank you very much. Very very dangerous. >> Can I just say one other thing? Since this is probably the biggest project that's ever become history. >> I think we've heard enough from >> we're we're running the meeting.
>> We have listened to them. >> Are you afraid? >> I think you've explained before it's overwhelming your volunteers. Why do we not create a 53g account of a hired expert engineer that's for the benefit of the Hellifax works for Hellifax?
>> That's really something we can look into. I mean, I'm this is the first time ever hearing of it. Again, you know, this is a big project. I agree with you. >> You know, there's no budget. >> It's kind of like the planning board when you do a site plan account set aside. >> Okay. how you have like pap, you know, like a
we are still on the agenda because we could we'd like to respond to it. >> Sure. Sure. Yeah. >> Respond. >> Sure. >> As I said, >> you know, we can do fear-mongering here or we can address the facts. >> I I think it's unfair to call it fear-mongering. These are these are
residents with legit concerns. I mean, these are their homes. So, I think fearongering is the wrong term. >> Concerns. We've addressed them. were inv I I I think it's an issue that this gentleman is going on and on and on when
apparently we're done with this part of the meeting. >> So we're going to stay until this topic is done. Are we done or not? >> Everybody's welcome. >> Thank you for your time with us.
>> Thank you. All right, back to the top. So, we probably should have done this first cuz now we finish the rest of this. >> We probably should have um voted in Bob before that trial by fire. That was the first thing on the agenda is to vote the interim.
>> You can say forget it. >> All right. So, we need to vote to appoint him. That was supposed to be the first thing. Okay. All right. So, if you're if you're >> if you're staying, please be quiet. If you're leaving, we have to continue our meeting. Thank you. >> Thank you.
Okay, now that we have some silence, go ahead. >> Okay. Um, interm health agent Bob Uker. Um, we'd like to move forward. I'd like to make a motion to appoint Bob Uker as the interimm health agent until the time that we are able to hire um a health
agent. >> I'm sorry, you didn't stop recording, did you? Okay. >> Um, yeah. I would like to make Did you make the motion? Okay. Um, so moved. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Welcome. >> Is anyone else sweating? Look, a million
degrees in here. >> No, I'm wearing this. >> Okay. >> So, what we usually do, so Ragnify, agents approval. Um, you know, we've got 263 Oak Street, building 1318 Twin Lakes, 43 Buttonwood, 33 Franklin, 25
Lawrence. Any any issues or concerns from your perspective? Um, I've had an opportunity to look at all these and uh and they're all uh good for approval in my opinion. >> Okay, >> perfect. >> So, I'd like to make a motion to uh
ratify agents approvals um A through F as listed. >> So, moved. >> All in favor? >> I I >> uh requiring local upgrades and variances to 222 Mont Ponet.
>> What do we got here? approve. >> I I would advise to approve. >> Okay. So, they're just looking for one variance. >> It's a um it's a reduction to groundwater separation. >> Okay. All right. I'd like to make a
motion to um approve um 222 Monet Street as listed. >> So moved. >> All in favor? >> I I Landing. Should we discuss some more? >> All done. >> Um well, I mean the only thing I would say is I would like to perhaps ask
Directly some questions cuz I I find it hard to believe there's only one answer to this >> problem. So I >> yeah, >> that's the only thing I would say about that is I I can through my email try and find someone at D to talk to about if
there are other options cuz you know nine times out of 10 there's more than one way to fix a problem. And um I would love to be able to find something that closed it but was not so big and made the residents quite not so nervous. >> Right. Um, and then also I mean I don't
know either Bob or you know Peggy might know who Bob Valerie had you know was in touch with D in the past as well. So at least for a contact >> we can do that. >> Yeah I'm I'm going to um do as best as I can to to do a deep dive investigation
into the the history of this you know documents communications. >> Um like I said earlier I I think I have a really a pretty solid grasp of the current situation. Um, but in order for me to to really have some some fully involved input and input that I feel
good about offering to you all as a health agent, um, I'd like to to take some time to do the research and the history of the whole thing. >> Appreciate that. >> We touched on that last time. One of the questions was what I'm educated and trained to do. >> One of the questions that came up last time was who whoever said you could
start filling there again. And I don't know if Bob Valerie had thought maybe a previous board had approved it or that was like a whole point of contention is when did they start? I know it's not. >> But did they need approval? So that's the thing I don't understand because >> I don't either. >> Did they just
now they're saying this soil is something you could put in your backyard. So do they need approval to do that? I don't know. So >> well not that the level one is the level two is commercial, >> right? >> All right. Thanks, Bob.
>> Okay. Um, body art tattoo permit discuss accepting and approving biatoo establishment and individual permits and then the potential the the fee for 150. Let me see
for business established permit 100 for an individual artist permit. What does that mean? >> So I think the business itself pays 150 but each artist would then also have to pay $100. Yeah. >> Okay. >> And this says it keeps the board
consistent with other boards of health applications and fees cuz this is going in over by you, right? >> Yeah. Above. Right above. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Uh okay. >> Actually, they did a nice job putting it
together. Not that that's >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He came in and talked to us about the wash stations and all that. Okay. So I I mean I feel like if it's in line with other what other boards of health are doing I feel like it's fine. >> Yep. >> Right. And that must be there must have been some research done on that. >> Yeah. >> See right.
>> Yeah. So >> okay. So, I'm make a motion to um accept and approve body art, tattoo establishment, and individual permit fees at
150 for the establishment and 100 for the individual permits. >> So moved. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> Why is it on there twice? >> I don't know. I think >> there difference between two and three.
>> Maybe it switched down to the second page and she didn't realize she on the first page. I think it's just a dupe. We'll just skip. >> Okay. >> Uh public health excellence group interimm advisory board member. The PHED would like one of the board members to
be the interimm advisory board member until the time that a new health agent is hired. Makes sense. I don't think I don't have to vote or anything on that, right? >> No. >> Okay, that makes sense. noted. >> Um, yeah, just to let you know, we do have an advisory board meeting tomorrow
at 2:30 p.m. It's open meeting. Um, it's posted. There's a Zoom link for it. If anyone wants to reach out to me to have a conversation about HPHG and feel free and and cuz it's that's a that's a whole other >> Yeah. whole other creature, right?
>> That's the one you involve around. >> Yeah. That was how that's how we initially came to be now. >> Very good. Okay. Um, so then I think we just need to affirm bills paid. Um, I'd like to make a motion to affirm bills for expense
account 01-512- FY26-03 Harding print and digital copy center and to WBM Mason invoices 1 through 4. >> So moved. >> All in favor? I >> I
make a motion to affirm bills paid for revolving account 25-513- FY26-05. Uh Robert Casper for invoices 1 through five and Webby Engineering one invoice. >> So moved. >> All in favor? I >> I
um like to make a motion to affirm uh bill paid for nursing services account 01-52- FY26-31 as listed. >> So moved. >> All in favor? >> I I uh iPad gift account affirm uh bills
paid account 26-5014-830-2- FFY26-04 items 1 and two is listed. >> So moved. >> All in favor? Um, affirm bills paid for public health excellence grant account 25-506-5430-189-
FY26-05. Uh, Cindy Metro is listed. >> So moved. >> All in favor? >> I bills paid for public health excellence grant account 25-516-5430-189- FY26-07.
Uh for 1 2 3 4 five six as listed. >> So moved. >> All in favor? >> I I uh the following must be approved, signed or voted on. So meeting minutes, those are probably in here to be signed,
right? >> I think we just we just say just vote them approve. >> Approve the meeting minutes from September 17th, 2025. >> So moved. >> All in favor? I >> um approve fee account 01-512-4450-4459-5
FY26-141 as listed. >> So moved. >> All in favor? I >> um approve expense account 01-512- FY26-041 and two is listed. >> So moved. >> All in favor? I
>> I affirm uh approve nursing services account 01-52-fy 26-04 one is listed. >> So moved. >> All in favor? I uh approve uh iPad if account
226-514-4830-2- FY26-051 uh AT&T mobile 1 and two is listed. >> So moved. >> All in favor? I um approve public health excellent grant account 25-516-5430-189- FY26-07
for Kayla Smith as listed 1 through 5 to Michael Sorz 3 Cinder Metro is listed on two Robert Booker as listed one and two >> so moved >> all in favor I
>> so fun reading all those numbers on the bills, isn't it? >> It's like speed reading. >> And approve uh permits with the condition that all required documents and fees are submitted to the board of health. Um discharge permits will not be released until water testing s well
discharge permits may not be released until water testing samples from certified well testing companies submitted to the board of health and approved by the agent. >> So moved. >> Oh, sorry. >> Sorry. Sorry. Uh we can vote for permits
1 through um yep 18. >> So moved. >> All in favor? >> I >> um I would like to make a motion to close the health act right here. >> Health meeting
for uh November 19th at 8:42 p.m. >> So moved. All >> in favor? I