[Music] :00 good evening and uh we have a full agenda tonight with five uh applicants and we only have a four member board tonight we'll have to vote all four will have to be in the a third
of it to uh to get passed and we'll go through the first applicant is Hilda Lane uh anybody here for Hilder Lane yes don Bracken from Bracken Engineering
uh you've seen me here before for this Friday i think we would like to go forward not ask for a vote tonight um we have some additional information we'd like to speak to you tonight anyway I'd like to take the opportunity to sort of recap it's been a while since we've been here so we got two more minutes just
walked in oh great also here with attorney David Henning i think the last request for the uh to continue the meeting was so that we could have legal representation okay thank you um just to sort of recap you know we're here for a variance uh
under the bylaw um to have one common driveway to serve two proposed lots in the Hilder Lane subdivision uh this plan up here was prepared by Webby Engineering uh they're the engineers that are uh going through the process with the planning board right now uh to
amend uh this existing uh subdivision um reducing it I think from five buildable lots to four buildable lots um uh because it was a previously approved subdivision that's why it's an amendment and not a new subdivision um one of the things that kept coming up
at the previous meetings was the design of the actual roadway layout and where the actual roadway was proposed um there's a little confusion because the way the the roadway is laid out is a larger bubble than what the roadway
actually fits inside of and as I explained at the last meeting the reason for that was in order to get uh the required frontage for both the lots on the end um also since our last meeting I don't you're probably not aware of it but um
webby engineering is revising the plan to make the culde-sac larger after meeting with the with the fire department so back uh around last summer uh Webby Engineering filed a plan with the Conservation Commission uh to
create two driveways side by side off of the proposed roadway to access both lots and the reason they did that was because of the bylaw I mentioned that you'd have to have your driveway uh individually across your own lot's frontage uh they
started the conservation review process they hit a lot of roadblocks tom hired a consultant um and the outcome of that was they withdrew the project without prejudice but the conservation commission and the consultant asked for the applicant to look at other
alternatives that wouldn't have as much impact to the wetland filling the wetland and filling in an area within the flood zone um so hence this is why we came up with this option um which as you can see the this greenish color it's
I think just under 5,000 square feet of well filling and then this teal color um is obviously much less I can't see it from here but basically the idea is to shift the road use a common driveway to
access both lots in order to avoid filling in the w uh filling in the flood zone and substantially reducing the amount of wetland area to be filled um And as you may recall uh the board that at the first meeting or the second
ask us go the fire department reviewed that with the fire department um we sent them a turning analysis for their fire truck to demonstrate that it could get in and out um the fire department came back with a a recommendation or request that we increase the driveway which on
the current plans is proposed a 16 foot wide gravel to 20 foot wide gravel and also to add a hydrant about halfway up to the driveway i think at the last meeting uh Scott Burgess the applicant we verbally agreed that we would do that so
um you know what obviously we're here for more input um um the attorney has some documents that you requested at the last meeting which included a draft of the easement language and also uh maintenance um language uh for the two
owners i I assume that would be recorded um so I if it's okay I'll turn it over to attorney Hen good evening members of the board my name is attorney David Henig i'm from the law firm Gavin and Gallon PC 10 Enterprise Street in Ducks Massachusetts
um you know the important part of why we're here is to get a variance for relief under section 167-10 subdivision L of the bylaws um because you know as was stated no common driveways are allowed unless otherwise provided for
this chapter um so if we look at the reasons for when this board can grant a variance um we start looking at what the unique conditions are for this project in this plot of land um the size of the lot is really uh one important factor
that the lots are substantially larger than most other lots in um the town they have 6 acre and 11 acres on these two proposed lots and because of the size of these lots there's multiple wetland
resource areas in the proposed area um now there was a previously approved subdivision plan in this area but this new revised plan again it's to have it's to minimize the impacts on the wetland resource area uh which there you know
the con conservation commission um suggested that this project go uh head this way to have minimum impact on that area um the hardship that would be faced under this project if a variance wasn't granted
um you know that the proposed alternate here makes more sense because it has again the least impact on the wetland resource area environmental impact um the compliance plan if this variance wasn't was not granted there would be a substantial amount of failing in the
wetland resource area there would be a large covert there would have to be permitting through FEMA for failing in the flood zone and completing state and local wetland permitting process just for the other plan would be a significant financial hardship on this
project um we think that just the way that this new project is we have a less of an impact on the area it makes the most sense it's for the benefit of you know the towns for the benefit of any potential future owners um it would be less detrimental to the
public good than the alternative version that was previously approved um again just this variance is going to be there so that it can and I keep repeating but reduce the impact on the wetland area and now I know that there was questions in the past about kind of who would
maintain this area so I did print out a um common driveway maintenance copies for everybody that I'll pass out and kind of showing this is just a draft uh thing we could obviously change it um you'll see that there's only one party named on here right now um but you know
we went over everything consideration considering who would share costs of maintaining this road how it would uh or this drive I'm sorry how it would um who would be responsible for what percentage going forwards we defined what way maintenance
is um what would be undertaken to uh maintain it keep it in good operating conditions safe access for emergency vehicles um we put in here kind of who would have a say in making any changes to it and how the parties would agree if any
disputes came up how they would resolve the disputes among property owners um we talk about everything as far as snow plowing who would be responsible for that to maintain this driveway um payment plans process any any uh agreement that they could come to of who
would pay and how it would be paid we set standards for parking that people can't park on this road unless uh for a certain amount of time but again this is just a draft version we we we can always change um what's contained in here um we make it so that any potential future
owners would be bound by this type of agreement they would each have to sign it and it would get recorded with the registry of deeds so that it stays on record and stays enforceable but I'll hand to everybody the last page is just a signature page that we would obviously duplicate for
anybody else who became a future party to this type of So we do think that we meet all the uh standards for the grandma varants in this case um again for the reasons that were stated but I'll open to any questions if anybody has any
Now the rightway it's going to be a a private driveway right yep and the people on that on that street are going to be responsible for it or the the land owner that's doing the the construction well as of right now um the
reality trust a Hilderelane Realy Trust would be responsible for it as of now and then if it gets sold in the future those new parties would be responsible for vacating it and they would have to sign this agreement become part of it
that's maintaining the driveway not the roadway correct driveway yes i'm sorry i keep Yeah missing but they were referring to the the driveway what happens from Haywood Street to the property who's going to maintain that
i think that's going to stay a private road so I would assume that there's going to have to be an association of the all lot owners who is who is going to be responsible from Haywood Street to the property to to the for the house you to the two lots that you're building be
just like any any private property the people that are on it are going to be responsible shared responsibility for it i had to divide it up in a percentage so however many homeowners potentially go on here with the box you know the
agreement of how they want to divide up the responsibility 25% each or you know 33 whatever it ends up being and what is the variance that you're asking for it's for relief from section 10 relief from sections 167-3 the
definition section and 16710L for the common driveway the uh driveway going to be pave or is it gravel gravel any members of the board want it i mean my big biggest problem with this here is the town has no responsibility of that
roadway zero so if you want fire protection someone that that's got to be plowed before the fire trucks and anything else can get out of there right so what happens if the plow drivers don't show up and there's a fire and the fire trucks can't
get there who's responsible for it is what I'm trying to say they can't get back to the town um so we do have something in there for snow plowing um and that would just have to come down to an agreement really with the plowing
company making sure that if they had any type of you know problems with their truck making sure that the company has at least multiple vehicles that could potentially plow this road you know you wouldn't want to contract with only say one one company with one plow where if there is a problem potentially that
would theoretically could become a problem so um you know we just have to look into who the right plow company would be for a scenario like this to make sure that there's multiple people that are always on call always on duty who can make sure that this road is or
I'm sorry keep saying road that this driveway is clear i mean will the reality agree the reality trust will they have plenty of insurance on that to protect the homeowners on the street if something doesn't happen i mean I'm just
looking at cases that that could come up that they're going to be pointing to us saying they would like to prove that with not nothing in nothing in place absolutely we could we could absolutely put a condition like that on there that the the realy trust or anybody has insurance to make sure something like that happens we could absolutely this is
just a draft agreement so we can we can tweak it if there's any concerns that the board has we could add conditions and make sure that those are recur am I allowed to ask a question no you can any members of the board yeah I have a
couple um so the current subdivision like I'm looking at it is that approved already no it's still in the process so it's still where cuz I've seen a lot of different maps of this section of town a
lot so I just don't know where it's at currently is it one lot is it is the back lot all one lot i'm trying to figure out what where it is currently like how it's how it sits yeah so how it sits right now we have
the two large back lots that are the subject of the variance request okay we have another lot on the east side of Hilder Lane and then there's a fourth lot this lot 17 that uh Mr burgess doesn't own it's owned by somebody else but they're going
to become a lot once the roadway gets built we're going to be that lot already exists once we create the frontage and combine it with another parcel then it's going to be a lot so the So the back two big lots are deed lots currently
well no it's all deed as one property right that's what I was asking yeah so so it is currently one deed lot right correct okay um did when conservation mentioned that driveway it sounded like you said
conservation had had suggested that to you is that we suggest they didn't suggest this design and they suggested that we looked at alternatives because of the amount of disturbance that the uh initial design that was submitted down here was going to create did they say
that would be requested or required for them to be for you to be able to do that well I think I didn't do the application Mr webby did but I've had a lot of correspondence with him and I've read the read the minutes and everything it didn't appear that this was going to go in a positive direction and so that's
why they withdrew it and that's why they said they would look for different alternatives right so so to be able to do that it looks like you'll have to have a road a common driveway similar to that to avoid this now under this
scenario we we don't need any variance because basically it's two driveways side by side straddling the lot line so but there's a conservation issue there there's a conservation issue So I think what that may not be approved if that's it it may not be approved and it just it
just to to me it didn't make sense to continue down that path with this being a possible alternative so the potential the are there other examples in this area of common driveways that you found i don't know if either of you guys have looked no I I don't think so and I think
from the beginning it didn't appear that any members of the board i can't believe that that's why I'm asking yeah I I don't I'm not sure so potentially this is going to be will it'll end up being a fallout subdivision well it I I think it's going to be a
full lot subdivision no matter what assuming that it gets approved through the planning board process the only question in our mind right now is whether we have to do this or we can do this because if this isn't approved then we're going back to this but that may not be approved either well I eventually
I think it probably you know would be right all right so um and I would look at this as sort of a you know not not so much by right but right a very approvable uh because it's the only access to the property
um the uh in here it says there is a uh a dispute it it goes to arbitration or a legal issue right is there is there a second so I'm looking at those two
lots if the person who owns the lot of the left they have basically complete control of access of the other person to that back lot correct there's no other way that a person would be able to leave their property without through going through
the driveway correct it's not really a common driveway between two lots it's a common driveway through someone else's lot yeah so it does go through that portion of the lot and I don't think you were here at the last meeting but the owner of that lot was obviously here in support of it of of the owner of this
lot 17 right but the goal was eventually to have different owners of all of these oh yes yeah right so the reason I asked that is is potentially there's a dispute right and the person on the the I'm looking at the two back lots here the
person on the right is in a dispute about paying for the maintenance of the roadway the only way they can get out of their driveway is to drive through the the lot of the person they have the dispute with
right i'm not sure I followed that so So let's say let's say let's say you live in the larger of the two lots in there one of these lots yeah nope the one on the right okay right the only way you can leave and go to work is to drive on the common driveway through the lot of
the person you have the dispute with which he hasn't right which he has an easement right but that's a concern of mine that's I'm just asking that's an understandable concern that's why I think if the documentation is there and either party
that purchases these lots in the future understand what it is then legally you know hopefully there won't be any disputes but y um you know in my mind it's it's very I don't want and I'll be very honest that's the least of my
concerns with this my uh my first my first my least of the concerns is is setting up a scenario where there's a an issue back there um the you had mentioned the variance originally just for 16710 and then you mentioned the
definitions of 1673 do you know what in 16 the definitions in 1673 that you mentioned when you said you wanted the variance for that i don't see anything about a common driveway in there so I'm just wondering yeah I think in both I wrote the I did the original variance application so both of them mentioned
the fact that you could only have one one driveway entrance that's why we mentioned Yeah I just didn't see it in there so maybe it's in there and I just missed it uh is it in the front it's probably tough to find it in the definition section i don't I don't have the copy of the bylaw with me yeah I'm
looking at it i'm looking at it sorry i don't I don't It's somewhere in there okay um and so the the the biggest issue I guess is goes to the the hardship the I I suspected that it was still one
lot right now uh the it is currently deed as one lot the goal is to have it approved as a subdivided lot one of the kind of most obvious examples of a hardship that is not a substantial
hardship is you are subdividing the lots yourself and creating a hardship by subdividing the lots and you've now create you want you have one lot there you want to you want us to grant you a variance
and say you have a hardship by creating two lots out of one so my biggest issue is I don't know if that is a legal hardship that would qualify for a variance and so I'm interested to kind of hear what thoughts you have on that but
we've seen a lot of them in here we've seen some subdivision requests in here i almost on its face the subdivision argument is not a hardship it you're creating that i agree with you 100% all right but I think the difference here in this case is the fact that even though
we are subdividing it we do have an option to do this okay so if we weren't coming here for the variance we would be doing this and I think for the we'll be doing what we would be doing this alternative would be filling in the wetland filling in the flood zone
you know so but you could you could keep it one lot and not need a common driveway yeah but that's that realistically that's not going to happen because we're going to propose the two lots and then we're going to go back to doing this and not need any variance if we have to we don't have you're not
required to ask for two lots why not ask for four well I think because the project wouldn't work if we I agree i don't know if the project works at two that's that's my issue it may be minimal i don't know i don't know that's not my concern as far as you know presenting this to you yep but um again that's why
we're trying to re really reinforce the point of what what we think we have almost by right and what's approvable and then what makes the most sense i think those are all my questions anybody else is Hilda Lane up to the turnaround to be
paved yes yeah how wide is Hilda Lane how 20 ft the pavement it's 50 well the rightway is 50 ft but the actual pavement itself is not 50 ft how wide does the roadway have to be
um I assume it's I I don't believe he had asked for a waiver on the roadway so I assume Yes he did if it's he did to what 20 ft he's asking for a lot of w [Music] to the point
i can't exactly so how wide is the driveway the driveway is going to be 20 ft right now the plan shows that it's 16 ft that the fire you know the fire chief asked us to make it 20 ft so could it be increased to a legal size road and have
the turn around off to the right side on the bottom so you don't need the two separate driveways um I I don't think so because then the road itself to meet sub requirements is going to be paved and I don't think it
would make any sense to put a turnaround pavement but it's possible uh anything is possible but it's probably not viable you have a question it was just about um we're going back to when you were
talking about the the fire um the fire trucks getting up there and who would plow it and that is there a house currently on Hilda Lane already built no there's two there there's two houses there but they not were they proposed so
how do they currently maintain I guess the private road and the plowing cuz I know the concern was okay well how would we plow it and what if they didn't get there in time what if there was an emergency if there's two houses already on it how do they currently you know plow it and maintain it because I'd
assume it would just stay kind of the same in that sense if they're already doing it we I would assume they would follow that lead and continue doing what they're already doing right are you maintaining the road no sir the the people that are living on the on the street maintain it i believe the town's
probably plowing it it's a private town i think so so I just wanted to if that was the case you know kind of factor that in and figure out like what the plan forward would be so thank you so much for your time anybody
else have any questions go ahead um Diane Bradford 131 Hayward Street I de Lane um concern about what was said between Hayward Street and Hild
Lane already there um why can't that become a town road instead of a private road um I also have a question about hardship um there's been so many people trying to build on this lot for 34 years since
I've been there 37 um there's plenty of information before Mr burgess bought the land that he may have a hardship so I don't see how he can say this would be a hardship he took on this project not knowing what would pass and what would
not pass his hardship is his hardship any building we have on this area our houses are flooding my son screen room I can show pictures right now um is flooding because the water table over the last couple years has gotten so high
we've had to reement our pool the water table's coming up through the pool i know honey Nzarella is not here today but she had to do some drainage things but the water in back of her is coming out because there's a river so all this
is very concerning to the abutters um that would put a hardship on us as abutters if any issues with the you know wetlands or you know what you're going to do with them
um I also have a concern when this was first bought by Mr burgess he came to two of Butters on Hillane and asked for money of $130,000 each that was a hardship for those people good thing they didn't pay it it
was illegal for him to do that um I just All this is Yes it happened um I just have a concern a lot of concerns um you know I that's my feelings on it i hope we don't pass it anymore there's too
many of the board hi Amy Troop speaking as a resident but I have some knowledge on this this is actually a subdivision modification that in I think February the beginning of February or the end of January we voted that it needed to go to conservation for
any of this to be approved before it would go forward um they are asking for um many variance um many um waiverss on street size on um reducing
um sorry sidewalks and um not underground no underground electric and um others so they're trying to shorten the road and make the turnaround smaller and that hasn't been modified as of yet
either well well we're trying to we're going to kick it back to the planning board well it has I'm not comfortable with it okay the way it is right now okay and uh I don't know what the members of the board want to do but
um in my opinion I'd like to kick it back to the planning board and let them straighten it out and conservation or the through the planning then myself i would I'm not comfortable with it right now okay we voted um at
the planning board meeting to have it go to conservation before it came back to us to have that that approved before we would even touch anything so I understand but if you were the same as us to send it to conservation that might be a help you know
anybody in the audience want to speak to this if I could just add I believe conservation has already approved the subdivision road and the drainage in the road itself i think a lot of other issues that were brought up are playing board issues that hopefully be vetted out at the planning board so and and
just time timewise for what what makes most sense i mean the the um not to interrupt you but asking for variances is if it's self-inflicted you're creating your own your own hardship and that's kind of
hard to swallow you know for myself i don't know about the members of the board but they have their own opinion and they would uh you know well I think what's what's important is there's going to be more hardship to the surrounding area with
the with the plan that's currently in place and the whole reason behind this is trying to minimize impacts to the environment it's this variance promotes the uh the purpose of the zoning bylaws far more than what the original the people that live around that area i mean
the water table is high not because they live on that the whole area is a table the water table is very high and try to sell it to them it's kind of hard you know i don't live there but they do you know they they have to deal
with it every day of their lives you know and uh I'd like you know in my opinion I like to kick it back to the planet board or conservation and whatever the members of the board here would would like to do just just for understand for time and
wise the reason why this isn't for conservation before getting the variance it would almost be like a hypothetical point to bring it before conservation and say look we don't know if we're going to have this variance yet so that's the reason why we're coming here first we time wise makes the most sense
get the variance approved and then go bring that plan to conservation to explain to them this is what is going to be in place this is what we would be doing that's just that's just kind of procedure why we're here maybe conservation needs to
be maybe conservation needs to look a little further into what you got to is approved david Mossio 1610,000 I don't need to write she was raising her hand over here first so okay oh um um I'm also going to ask if John could just
speak to with the plans you have in place should there be better drainage than what's going on there now because there's a drainage easement right on with again that anything to do with the roadway has to do with the
pling water review and the drainage that's there what what I do know is that that's all been reviewed by the conservation commission uh has to be in compliance with the storm water management act i don't know where the planning board stands in their engineering review of it i believe it's already been at least an initial review
of the planning board so as far as I know the drainage for the roadway you know has been reviewed and approved but um obviously we can follow up on that and and let the let the board know um I I think what's important for us is not to keep not to go back and forth but try
to speak Mr uh if if the if the the drain doesn't comply to what the residents are in the area then then it needs to be re-reed by the conservation no am I wrong i would assume so if it's causing a problem then
it's allegedly if they already have a problem now they're going to have a bigger problem no you think it would be less of a problem because it's a drain echment no once you take trees down I live on wetlands when you take trees down you don't realize how much water a tree
sucks up is astronomical so we start taking trees down that drainage easement is totally canceled out by the amount of trees you take down but there was a professional review that said that it wouldn't be so I'm just confused there's people with water in their basement
right it's pre-existing before it's even built or taken down a tree it seems like since Hold on a second let's not get off the subject we haven't built anything we want to What is the review by who is this yeah i mean I'll be I'll be honest i don't think the drainage really doesn't the the drainage
is a conservation thing i think they're going to have trouble with that anyway i think that that those are all things that we're we don't I I'm I will I will say if if your goal is for us to move on the question in front of us for 16710
and 1673 I I would not support it as as it's presented right now i think there are many issues with it and I don't think you have a valid hardship for a variance i think you've created it so and that's just me but if I mean and I and I
appreciate Amy coming over and letting us know from the planning board that they have a bunch of questions that they haven't had answered either and so I'll be honest this is not the first time I've seen Hillane come up it has come up several times before with different plans i I'm I'm not closed off to what's happening back there but I think the the
people who have invested a lot of money in the the land around it and the homes around it have had issues with the road and issue with draining and I I for one based on what the zoning board is is has their purview in I I want to create
something that's going to make that neighborhood better not create more problems for them and I don't know if that meets the standard and I don't know if that's going to create a better scenario for them we want to make the right decision excuse We want to make the right decisions for the people that live around there
and the whoever wants to live in this sec in this development in order to do that we have to make sure everything's right and right now it is not to to me it isn't right to to the you know couple members of the board whatever the it it
would be better for us to send you back to the planning board or conservation to iron it out then you can come back to us i mean that's that's the way I feel everybody else i'm in agreement and since we don't have any
other shared driveways in town I think we're opening ourselves up to a problem by creating a shared driveway we're we're trying to bend bend the rules in a in a certain way to fit that project but we can't do
that the It's not It'll come back on us mhm and we don't want that i I understand and I and I appreciate the fact and and the people not and the people that live around here are struggling because of their water
problems mhm you know I I would love just maybe one minute to just touch on the on the on the runoff problems you know I'm a professional engineer i've been doing drainage almost 40 years old i just want to try to explain it to you so you know where I'm coming from you
know um I forget your name i think this is your house at the corner and then we have these other two houses it's a very That's not mine right there right here no that's right all right so it's a very high water table everybody knows soil conditions may not be great when you get close to the water table right now
there's an existing gravel driveway that comes down for this house right here so the the change between here and the existing house is converting gravel driveway to a pave road now the pave road is going to have new drainage in it there's no drainage in the area right now and I I can attest as I've already
said the drainage has already been reviewed by the town's plane board engineer i've seen the report it's already been approved by the conservation commission i've seen the order of conditions so all of this has been review and approved i appreciate what you said that you know really the focus here you know I I know we're
focused on the road because everyone's concerned everyone wants to know what's going on but the focus really I think should be from this point back and just focusing on the common driveway issue so I apologize that you don't have all this information in front of you but I think it's all available that we can submit to the board but again if the issue really
comes down to the to the board you know feeling firmly that we created our own hardship and that's going to be the issue then I would love to be able to discuss that and at least you know maybe pull the board or get the board's failing because we don't want to go back and waste the planning board's time or
our our time you know you know we we want to have some kind of feeling on on what the which way the board is going to go and rather waste anybody else's time so if if if we could do that you know we'd really appreciate it well I'll be very honest i think you need four votes
and I think there's been enough people to let you know that I don't I I wouldn't support it and you would need everybody else so um I I I just I don't I don't I don't want to waste your time either yeah well I'm glad that's why I
brought up because you are the one that voiced that exactly how what your position was so obviously we have a feel for what everyone else's positions are too but I guess we've come this far it would be good to hear um individuals positions exactly so are you asking them
to vote i'm not asking them to vote we're asking there's not I don't think there's enough information for everyone to take a vote i think you know any feedback we get now we'll have to decide what our next step is going to be which um I I don't know what's your what's your take on my take on it right at this
moment is no what about you I'm not comfortable with it it's a long driveway to share I agree with Peter stance I would much rather see less conservation filled in but I think there could be an issue down
the road I mean that whole area I mean you ever see Haywood you know if floods and it's it's not a it's a it's a common problem in that area so
and it does not need to be currently subdivided like it that's not a requirement there's no requirement that there's a certain number of lots there right and that's that's really what the issue is well you got the few little boards so it's up it's up to you guys uh but we would ask for you know one more
continuence and then then we'll see where we go from there where was I don't know where I time out here any specific information that board would want to hear like you want to hear you want to see the orders and conditions from conservation commission if that's part of the I just don't think there's a hardship i couldn't I wouldn't no matter
what you're telling me I don't see a hard a valid hardship to supportive areas for me personally so it's not where the I mean I have concerns about how the driveway is built i I have concerns about a lot of things about the project but really I mean I just don't think you have a hardship to
grant a variance for any of us for me i know I'm jumping i'm 100% in agreement h I'm 100% in agreement do you want a continuous yeah at least one one continuous just one more the original petition i just don't want to
time out i think we had uh I mean if you want to we we we extended the time frame last time i don't know exactly how far we extended it too yeah that's what I worry about
it's at least three months since we've got them the first time mhm i believe so you extend it for 30 days or 90 do you want to write up the Pretty sure it was at least 60 we're going to see if I If you want to write up a request
I just don't think if they write a request we can grant the request right i don't know if you can just move it to the next available meeting with a condition that we submit a request to extend time frame beyond 30 days beyond it
i mean do you feel that you could have all the answers within 30 minutes uh oh I think I definitely can get you all the information that we talked about tonight so we put some of these other issues today so no with you know within a couple weeks so if you have a meeting
if we can get another meeting in 30 days being extended 60 that covers Yeah then we would extend it that's why I was saying if whatever the meeting is we'll submit an extension for 30 days beyond whenever that meeting is we're going to do it for next month trying to see what the date is for next month um the 5th of
May is that a No it's the fifth town meeting oh okay okay so make a motion to continue to the May 5th meeting what do do you guys mind just writing something up for
us to accept like just like sign up do you have any requests for uh the highway superintendent to be here for that i know it's a private way right it's a private way correct correct it's
a driveway it's on a road well there's the private road and then there's the common driveway that's what we're So the last And Amy might be able to help with this the highway superintendent has opened up roads on opened up private
roads so that the fire and ambulance could get into these areas as like a bonus do we do we have Steve here should we have Steve here for We can we can request him to be here to at least put
his opinion on what that is for opening that up because I I not not to not to add or to ask for more taxpayer dollars but they're opening up these roads as a
almost just a bonus so that the fire department can't get Are you talking about the ones on town meeting yeah um those those are different those are Oh yeah those are bonded or covenanted roads but they were they were the I'm sorry they were the bonded roads but they were opening up the bond the
unbonded roads as well no these are all being researched and this week we should have all everything by Thursday i think they're going to be all fine so these roads aren't protected by the town at all for for plowing or sanding i'll be honest it's probably better for
the planning board than us we don't they wouldn't even come to us about that stuff yeah like they would they would handle all that stuff well let's handle one thing at a time we're going to have they're going to ask for a continue it and we'll deal with it next next month i'm sorry i didn't mean to there's a lot of There's layers of this
lots of moving parts yeah i'm sorry lots of moving parts you made a motion right make it yeah I made a motion to continue let's let them request it and then we can accept their request not play any games in us who second it i did are we accept favor
what What are we voting on accepting their request yes yeah to continue request i'll I vote yes on that say June 15th 2025 is that enough that's fine now we need to
So we move to accept their request we need to then move to continue to a certain date right the next meeting the next we When's that is it goes to our secretary close to our
secretary got a motion to I'll make a motion to continue uh ZBA 243 to Well we'll do the next meeting right may 5th is that what it is yeah to May 5th at 7:00 may 5th 2025 at 7:00
you want to go yeah i think they just want in case they need to move it to the second meeting after second yeah all in favor yes yes thank you all right still like it's like I literally Googled
again just to be sure and then I'm like out of the text like excuse me next application is the ZBA 25-2 tina would you like to read it uh Halifax zoning board of appeals will
hold a public hearing on Monday April 14th 2025 at 7 p.m in the board of select means meeting room at Halifax Town Hall 499 Plymouth Street Halifax on the application submitted by Ronald i'm not going to say this
right to construct a 24x 26 twocar garage uh said located at 392690 page 338 property is zoned to agricultural residential board of appeals will consider various andor special permits from the following
section of the zoning bylaws 16-11 and density regulations of the town requiring a special permit to allow an exception of front yard setback requirements Uh 16711 table of density regulation to town allowing an exception to the
sideyard setback and 167-11 uh table of density dimensional and density regulations panel effects requiring the special permit to allow exception for the rear yard set mr po yes would you like to tell us what
you want to do i want to put a twocar attached garage onto the house you got plans and all that stuff so that is the plan this is the house i like this
that's not his house upside down i can turn J better here bless you thank you where this What are the sign lines oh upside down too 10 ft 8 in
sorry it's just going to be a garage not going to have living space upstairs or anything just a twocar garage yeah dead storage upstairs what's that just storage just storage no kids you're going to have heat in it no
that's what you think [Applause] oh something's coming down how far you do from the side lot right yeah 10.8 10.8 28 so he's asking for a fair
what's that side one supposed to be 15 30 30 10 well those are um So the house is a lot closer than what the garage the proposed garage would be correct the house is pretty close to the road right yes so the house is closer than
the proposed garage what's this what's the square footage of your lot your lot 11,280 12 right there is 100 ft deep it's actually three is there a house next to you a lot on
that left hand side yes right there right there you talk to them about it yes good hey good he owns it yeah it's actually
closer it looks like he owns them both yes [Music] what do you think i think that so it's below so if he had a a typical size lot
it's below the level so he wouldn't even be here in the first place it looks like the house next door Jerry pointed out is close like closer to But he owns it are you on the other side too yeah well it also looks like that is closer to the lot line than the garage will be on your
side so if that makes any sense it looks like the house in the store which sounds like you're too uh it looks like it's even closer than the garage will be yeah 10 ft here yeah there's only 10 foot driveway there yeah i mean he's
underized lots so yeah he anywhere else in town with a with a regular size lot he'd be able to build that garage it's the size and the shape of the lot i'm going to butter and Mr
bossi's is done nothing but make his property towards the benefit of the town and and including his beach that he has on there so I have no opposition to this i think what he's doing is is just making the
neighborhood better so I think it's a it's a it's a no-brainer thank you are there other Can you think of any either of you guys any other garages like that nearby probably there is one
There is a Gamrell garage not attached okay that is one street over and then there was one that was just built on eight okay so you're not going to have water in that garage no water just electricity
yeah just electricity personal use in storage on the top floor yep anybody have any comments conditions table table
[Music] i've already dealt with that yeah those trees coming down i'm fine with that anybody want to make a motion or Yeah i'll make a motion to approve uh petition of uh ZBA
25-2 as presented second peter yes jerry yes yes yes myself yes it passes five to zero awesome thank you you're welcome all day it's all Dave's
fault the secretary should be in touch okay he's going to he's going to keep him busy do you need those yeah she has those i just couldn't figure out how to get them the next application is
ZBA-25-463 Plummet Street so you know you won't put you on this on the spot oh you do the Halifax zoning board of appeals for holding a public hearing on Monday April 14th 2025 700 p.m
in the board of selections meeting room at Halifax Town Hall 499 Clement Street Halifax Mass on the application submitted by Joseph and uh to construct a 24x32 detached garage said to be located at 463 Plummet Street Halifax
uh as shown on assessor's map 72 block 5 book 48061 page 82 property is zoned to agricultural residential the board of appeals to consider variances and/or special permits from the following sections of the bylaws
167-11 table of dimensional and density regulations of the town of Alex effects requiring areas for the front yard setback requirement good evening how you doing good um what do you want to do basically same as the
last guy I wanted but detached uh 24 by 32car garage basic my uh driveway kind of inlets i don't know you guys probably drive by my house all the time here right across from the school and there's a horse trailer currently right there uh
I'd like to put the garage there because it just makes sense if I put it at the end of the driveway it's going to be on top of my leeching field interrupting my septic and it also would infringe upon the conservation land that I have in the back there so the only real option I
have is my my current plan which is 25 ft from the street okay how far is the house from the street no the um the basketball uh the the elementary gym oh oh okay how far
are you already from the street right here um I think 50 like I see the kids run over every day cuz I'm a parent were you Were you placed in the garage on that is that it i don't know if that's it
yeah that's the wrong one yeah hold on that's why I thought it was That's all I have no it's I think it was a different application if you go back to the application file is it not 531 that's it okay sorry it didn't look right
[Music] right oh that's just that's the garage itself sorry I didn't have any no how come we don't see any threetory elevator shell everything I have
no this isn't going to be it yeah I know there was no blood on that other one i got the butterc i can draw it up for you just walk over there
can we see it out the window it's in a different file maybe can you go to the assesses can I do that from here i don't know i mean you could probably find it on Let me see if she dropped it in the wrong thing yeah that's good
did they maybe put it in the March file because I think I put it in before March i was thinking but it was just like a a day before the one right above yeah one below yeah there we go oh no if you go if you I think you go back
once yeah uh okay the meeting if you go 2025 and March that one oh what the heck I seen it before try yeah no the meeting date files i think it's in the March in there 36 second one down
nope christ what if you just do a search up in the corner for uh just the address for Yeah that that'll pop up yeah that's true no it's the same stuff open that
well well um do you have the paperwork with you i don't could it be in department building cuz she he might have applied under building there he is caesar's here savior okay
what's the address can we come to this place it's not in there i was thinking it could be in building department um under their application C can you find that
um is that it no that's the I mean where it is but This one on this one lab alcohol yeah i don't know she was saying go here
yeah that's the same drive um what if you search that whole entire thing maybe 463 yeah uh Danielle or Ed if you guys are on there do you guys know if
the what 463 463 if the latest files for 463 have been uploaded to the hard drive sorry 50 here i can't access my um so
I got it right here can I email it to you guys yeah do you want to email it to me all right yeah sure look at this technology look at us go this guy is the most under technology
no my candy oh actually more oh jeez caesar I just emailed you the file i would like a brand new car if you can hear me
I would like an all expenses paid trip to somewhere in the Caribbean would you guys like to hear my reasons what's that i'm probably the most illprepared person here no clear you made a random statement well I'm sorry way ahead of the game i feel like I showed up for a test that I I didn't
prepare for it i just I just wrote this bubble gum stuck in here okay uh yeah the shape of my driveway only really permits permits two places for the garage one being at the end and that's where a conservation land is
um if I moved it to the 50 ft I had to like rip up my whole driveway and like make a new driveway to go to the the garage um my wife i hate to bring my wife into this but she uh she wants to breed our mayor
our horse so she wants a little baby horse and a little pasture there i've already talked to my next door neighbor about it he's totally cool with it he's very excited about seeing a little baby horse galloping around over there so if we had to move the garage it would kind of screw up our plans for that pasture
for the baby horse too and uh oh most uh most houses in town built prior to 1900 good you could shake hands window thank you basically anyone around the lake same thing you know I
know this is a but yeah that's what that's where the garage is going what are you going to put in that garage uh well I got a workshop i I'm going to put my truck in there i can fix up the truck uh storage i have nothing everything's been taken over by children
and animals my entire existence is in a basement and toast you going to have it heated everything I have me is going to be in this garage and I've been planning it for seven years you going to lose that too i might have to after all said all the money going into it I might as well and you can't push it back at all
right here that kind of dips down the hill and then then yeah I would have to move my driveway over and like I was saying that's where we planned for the for the pasture for the little baby horse is it
going to have a second story on it no it's just one one story how big is the lot is that one two acres and then I got 10 behind that in the woods there that's all conser so how much does the land drop off pretty significant like think about when you're
over at the parent pickup side that whole thing just dropped it's 463 it's right across from Yeah the right side drops off probably yeah that's probably a six or seven elevation from driveway to the line and the septic's off to the left is that the
septic is actually right in here and then leeching fields here um so yeah if I put a garage here the woods you got plenty of room like right there so is there a party to like welcome i
would welcome anyone to I hope I have enough room for a pool table that's kind of the last last thing I would say yeah thank you right across the street
from the elementary school what's there now the trailer there on the right right is that what you said the horse trailer is right there yeah I just said the horse trailer parked there i just And then it dips way up it didn't yeah it goes way down dips way off it dips way off did you see it you probably
looked at this house 500,000 times so there's not going to be no uh no running water you going to have running water no no water just electricity and storage and storage anybody from the
members of the board want to comment so I can't think of house driven by it a million times pulling out of school i just can't picture it's literally right across from my gymnasium so look out the window there's two i'm three doors down yo three doors down
that means I would mind just in front of the apple tree all right yeah you're not taking down that tree right no the apple tree is staying we want the apple tree to stay there that brings the deers the deers coming we wash them out the window so sometimes looking at a plot you're not quite
seeing what you see sometimes we like to go out and and see the property and then we totally understand what you're talking about i would welcome you all to picnic if you want to come to the apple petting zoo members of all site so but
it's up to the whole board we're on fine i'm fine with whatever like I'm not opposed to onsite do you want to skip down there right now enough for hot chip um Yeah yeah i mean it it's you can almost see it from here
you really I mean you could probably go do a lap and come back before we're done uh it it does it drops off yeah i've probably been here less than less time than all of you i know exactly where it is you've definitely seen many times you can't sit now entry school without I've
got pictures i'm on it i can I can use this one we used to have an Elamino so I was like we sold is there anything else there are there other houses right around there that have stuff in front of
the house i think there is right there's a house well the next house down here there's some in front right the house up here that has a garage is basically like on the sidewalk almost yeah like almost like this on the They have like a drive up type of thing too right yeah
something similar right yeah and the next house down isn't the next house down isn't as far back as his either and the next house down from him yes yeah that's not as far oh the one to my left yeah yeah yeah that's further that's closer to the Right yeah so it's not
like we're You guys want to do an onsite no I'm I parked there for an hour every day i I I definitely know what it looks like i If somebody wants to go I I'll support that anybody wants to wave the onsite i'll motion to wave the onsite
it's burned throwing bomb under the bus but I I'll second that all right all in favor i Yes yes you no yes good it no way beyond no picnics
there's no picnics i was going to make some sense there's no picnics anybody wants to make a motion to accept i I think there are I for me I will say I think there are other uh similar garages that are detached that are in
front of homes i I'm think of a couple over by on my side of town that have the garage that is detached and close to the road um and I think that the topography of the land even though there's a lot of land there I think there's a topography of the land that leads to not a ton of
places we have to go and that's that that so all that conversation about hardship the topography of the land is actually so So I'll make a motion to if we want i'll make a motion to approve uh petition ZBA
254 as presented i'll second yes Mr member Laps is skipping yes yes i do apologize you got to get it anyways but without seeing it so I'm a no but
okay myself yes passes i'll put a big neon sign you're not getting invited to the apple i'll% next on the next on the agenda is ZBA
25-3 539 Plymouth Street applicant for a special permit or variance all right so this actually who's here to speak for this i'll speak so the woman that owns it is actually my sister she's uh suddenly pregnant at the
moment and is not feeling well so she asked if I would step in today so if I have any information that's not available I'm sure she can get it for us um 539 Plymouth Street right down here of the map we've just shown you right there uh the field to the left of it the
um between the house and the post office uh just still looking to do a small nursery type area uh mostly trees um not really uh keeping it we're going to keep it up in the wetlands in the back um we do have a bucker back there and all that i
don't know if they gave you a copy of these they should they should this is what I got oh that's it no all right i got a I got a drawing i mean it's So it's just for the field next door
which uh it is zone 4 commercial um just looking have you been to the planning board yet the planning board not yet well you have to go to the planning you have to go to the planning board first want to go
there first you have to get a uh they'll tell you what you need to get site plan and all okay on drainage and all that stuff you have to present that to the to the uh planning board okay then you come back to us and whatever you need
conservation or whatever yeah we're going to be way off it but um No I'm just telling you what what what you might encounter you know so planning conservation then come back to you guys yes okay before we issue you i mean we can't issue a permit to operate without
having all the major parts done first yep you're going to need your entrances you're going to need all that stuff before you uh Okay and they will tell you what to do all right so I'll start with the plan board then yep um I'll see you in a few months well so we're going
to have to motion to extend this can I Can I say I come here this morning and I talked to the ladies downstairs my the guy did the plan with the entrance and everything and we not put in the parking lot it's going to be stone it's going to be stormed we can't
we can't you have to go through the planning board first but when I I know but when I talked to the building inspector he told me he direct me to here when I've been here five times already on the town and I talked to the building inspector that's that's not the
way it works i I know but this is what he this what he told me you know do you want to keep that no you can have that but you got to have a set of plans y to go through through the planning board okay and when you go through the planting board they'll they'll tell you what what you need and all that stuff
then you come in in front of the zoning board for a special permit to operate a nursery gotcha or like the last component like once once you get everything in place and how you're going to do it and what you're going to have everybody else says "Okay it's great it's designed great it looks nice." Then
you come to us and we say "Well it's not supposed to be here but got details about what it's going to look like in the hours of operation and all that stuff." Then we then we know what to We did send details but I don't know if I did not
oh we have sent no we never leave the plane and I talked to Spect you got to have you got to have a site plan you got to have all that stuff to to go in to the planning board i mean if you go tomorrow or go
downstairs ask what you need for from the planning board and they will give you all that information you put that together then you come back to us okay i think sounds if if he can't get the special permit to run the nursery there's no point in
sending him to the planning board until they find out whether or not you'll allow the use there so do you want us to do like a conditional approval based on the use only well I mean if he doesn't get site
plan approval he won't be allowed to operate there anyway yeah that's what the business told me that is the building you got to get the site plan so so I do need you guys then I guess just to say if we get the plan so we can
go through them that's it i'm lost now we are too the voice is spoken but I'm not not sure what it is just looking to see if we'll we'll we'll approve the use not so much building or whatever else but we allow a nursery at
that location yep a couple miles down the road no there's no parking it's going to be gravel yeah it's I got it on here the drainage because it will be in the gravel couple like Nazarella down the street
won't be cement won't be anything I'm not after so it's a conditional approval more so than anything what's that it's like a conditional approval based on use because we still we're still still looking for variance to go from 50 ft to
25 so what's the hatchet so we don't we don't know that right now but I mean if we do approve the use that's the garage it's the garage yeah yeah i think it's the next arrange right no it's just a
special permit for nurses I think uh it's about 100,000 square ft here that it's kind of encompassed so so you're constructing a sales room um not a sales room uh might just be a small shed just for paperwork
and stuff yeah where would the shed go up close well depending on what we're told we would prefer up closer to the road so you can stick a little flag in it but you know that's that's up to you guys ultimately i mean if we have to be in the back we will be Yeah it doesn't matter this our preference would be by
the way so accessory building can't be in front of the main hold on something that Well that's that's my question i I don't So might be a shed might be I don't think it's I don't think it's your fault or your fault i it's the
use like approving a plant nursery or a sales room i I've never just looked at a plot plan and said "Sure put a nursery in a sales room somewhere." Like we've always looked at how big it is and how many parking spots there will be and how many
and traffic there will be and when it will be open and what's already been approved so like without that stuff and maybe they have it um send it over it's like um okay you see the plan we're not going to approve it but yeah I
have the right way to go no but like next to Dunkin Donuts they went through all that big enough is there another one i think so it's like is there another document in there was is when I talked to Chelsea about this she looked it up everything i don't
know sorry jesus this is going way back like if we have to move so the shed is 50 ft up oh yeah i I paid the guy to do all the plan if I have to move anything I will move you know what I mean whatever I have to do to get past
this is This is helpful oh yeah we have a plan i don't know why it's not over there i'm sorry it's not your fault no you know I did my pot this morning i talked to I talked to both of them i bet you it's somewhere it's It's not their fault either
but that There we go there we go bum thank you so it looks like when you look on that sheet of paper the shed that they're talking about is down at the bottom there and it's 50 ft off the road it's set back a little bit behind the actual
side of the house can you have one piece of land with two separate uses on it or does it the um over on Carver Carver Street they do that's the commercial piece is one side and the houses on the other remember that commercial came right through it so
yes all right and that was subdivide a to be a commercial okay the plan should be the issue this is it this is really it i swear no but it has the um I didn't show you the uh the property plan that's
I had this all right the one we have shows that it's commercial and all that stuff all right yeah that's that's the one we had right that was the commercial line right there oh okay on there uh no the other one I think
mostly like trees and stuff yeah that one that dotted line where the nursery stops is I think the the Oh this one it's commercial zone i think it's the same line as carry oh maybe it is oh really fight over here but it must be I mean that shed is 50 ft
off the must be goes way back it's a it's a deep parcel how big is the lot yeah uh total total lot there 4.8 acres okay doesn't it have the town owns right next to it too on this side right yeah i
believe that goes out to your uh your water tower your stand pipes i believe it's like some park we're discussing it at I didn't know it actually had a name but yeah that's a plan i work with an engineer yeah this is 20 ft this line right here yep um and
then I believe this one is what is what is the front edge um this way I believe this way it is 80 i have it you got it on there i think so so they're looking to farm in
Halifax yes the right to farm right to farm so what So what are we looking at on there so the little stuff over on the Can you just walk me through what we're looking at so there's already We didn't want to disturb any of the curbing or
anything there's actually already a an entrance cut i don't know okay years before what was already there um but there is a cutout in the in the curbing drops down a little sides got a flat driveway area so instead of making more wall work we use that i got to stop touching this void my
should be right here coming in like I said just the small little shed there uh just to hold the paperwork you know uh order slips stuff like that for the the customers and stuff uh then just nursery stocking display over here um placing
trees mostly um and we're going to plant in the back as well and we're going to do some plantings in the back you know in the back towards the um I don't want to touch it but the conservation can't do it there we go the conservation in the back and stuff so we figured you
know keep anything that would alter in any way away from it so that's why that stuff's all up here um just a little bit of storage for some other stuff too to go out out the door with the uh the plants and everything uh there is a natural buffer of uh just a scrub brush um that encompasses the post
office as well as runs down the property line on this side as well we keeping that yep with the Google Earth over there i wish you could do it on this yeah be projected right on that so your is 88 ft i'd have to double check the
exact number but for for this piece right here from where the the house side of it is to the the corner lot by the bench where the post office is I believe it's I want it's either 88 ft or it's the 120 is ringing in my head for some reason too but I think that was the
other one um actually you know what let's put my phone down i got it right there another auto part store yeah we're going to open an O'Reilly's next can you also grow some pot please we're going to ship it right out the
post office it's actually 100 what's in the base back there behind the parking spots what's the plan for this right here just compost a little bit of extra crush stone um some loom and a little bit of mulch and what's And you
talked about a buffer between the post office yeah there's this scrub brush that runs Oops right so here's the post office got scrub brush that runs here i mean the brush actually closes in the whole place and in the in the spring and summer time I mean you can't It's It's
pretty well covered up if we need to put more trees if we put more trees yeah we got to plant trees you know to make it more appealing or something for for uh the post office or the neighbors way back here in their back 40 that that's that's something is this where your chickens were running
into the post office you have to have goats the goats get out you can see them they learn how to go to the dog house and they jump over the fence out and then they find a pallet on the side that we had for some nesting box stuff and they jump from there to get back in um but yeah can you put in a
request for some dwarf goats cuz those things are awesome there's two over there you want them no I'm buying them i'm going to put them in the dwarf so the kids can come and play in the weekend i mean yeah those things are cute as a
Yeah we got a couple over there it goes into the next mat though is what's Doesn't this separate the house from the Is this right there just like on one side and residential on the other are you Are you doing fencing at all like I
said I mean uh in the house we're okay with it um the post office like I said if they want the trees you know for a natural one natural looking buffer that's fine if it has to be fenced or something that's fine what about like around like the nursery
and all that stuff so people aren't getting in there i don't know i mean I'm sure I don't know if you're thinking about that or not i'm just asking i don't I don't I don't like to think this Halifax is a higher crime area where they're going to be cutting trees out of the ground but I mean cameras probably
obviously for uh you know a couple trail came I appreciate it i don't think we need cuz he has down the street you don't fence your place what's that you don't f your place it's open probably don't have an issue nobody comes i have big trees anyways i'm going to buy I got
to do like like a big stuff you know like pears apple trees any members of the audience have any questions or No representing the property mhm where is the equipment going to be
um we're not going to be sto equipment two trucks two trucks that's it just for deliver and they'd be in the bay with whatever whatever was running low and no fencing unless you would any
using herbicides or any kind of No um nothing nothing non non-natural no liquid kelps stuff like that i mean nothing I have a a mass use pesticide license i mean I'm I'm pretty decent with the the laws and stuff for that but we don't plan on using that type of
stuff we do prefer the natural uh stuff it's easier when you when you sell a a product like that to somebody and they can continue the natural loop without having to worry about you know any sort of chemical contamination or weapons or anything like that there's no public facility no toilets nothing uh nope nope
it'll just be the like I said just the small the shed up in the front just for the paperwork box paperwork and stuff this is separate from your property it's all one property it's just this half i don't know what maybe you guys knew what it was way back in the day or
it was a pasture at one point wasn't it there was an out building back here maybe an old barn or something um Oh maybe just a pasture then so just barn land and it's been two lots or is it being
subdivided out no I'm not looking to subdivide it at all we want to keep it as it is there's two uses on this lot two uses the the the use restriction goes from there essentially all the way across Carver Street no I don't either
i've always said it was two we bought two just one one just says one there's two numbers on the success map is it but it's not something yep i don't know why probably just one
commercial oh is that for you know you put an auto parts store there could have an address or something is that why gets assigned an address ahead of time you have to have an address for business yeah oh sure is your sister yes she did it
you have a question yeah i'm just curious if it's not being subdivided and are the owners renting this property to you people who's actually going to be running it he's going to we're going to be all partnered in on it um just kind of that's initially what
the property was bought for um like I said I I do a lot of work over there uh when the property was purchased that was the But are you a current owner of this property i'm here for my sister who like that's what I'm saying i don't recognize anybody here as the current property
owners that's I live across the street well well our business is across the street the gutters so no the Hellex glass oh the glass right so that's why I'm just questioning who's actually going to be running a business on that property me and him
okay even though he's not the property owner no because she's she's going to be in in it too like I said she's going to come tonight she's supposed to be on right right i don't know if you've seen her rolling out a little bit yeah I've seen her i know her okay she's carrying a little heavy so
she will be running the business with you yep okay and is this a plan that's been approved by the plan no no no it hasn't been approved by anybody they're asking for the use variance they have to go through they have to do site plan it may not
look like this at all no correct what can happen well they got to put drainage in they got to do all that stuff yeah even if we driveway asphalt uh the cutes my eyes is that a retreat i wanted
to right up the street it's right next to the post office parking lot yep all this in the house are on the same lot it's just right here they got that little bench out front of the post office right there 38 ft 11 3811
if we're not doing the the the paper the asphalt pave do we still have to put a drain in because we're doing stone we got That's that's up to the planning board not to keep it natural we have to put it We have to put it but I'm going to put the asphalt there you're going to have to go through engineering and storm
water management okay all we're here to vote on whether we accept it as a business or not right and I I'd like to see more isn't a butter i'd like to see more because access and
ingress is hard [Music] enough in how does how does the board feel we not be cutting the board i mean not to cut the curve to get in and out no but I'm just saying
you're adding one other level of Yeah we'd be involved traffic there and I don't know where the the planning board would what they would want there i think they have to look at the access coming in and out yep there is at least
one accident at that post office once a month oh yeah just because right now the trees on the property it's covered we will be coming in and out will be across the street from your parking space you have a same thing we be about 60 ft 55
ft from the crosswalk there's a crosswalk yes but you have two entrance one on one side across the walk one on the other side i'm not going to have on the other side so it won't be dangered we got to have just on this side but you're going to have a truck pulling out and you're going to have somebody trying to come in or out of the post office and
that's that's my only concern okay but we got to have enough like if we do the loop it's about 60 if I do nice open about 30 38 feet I mean should be enough for two lanes yep coming in and out i mean we got a 60 and a half is 19 ft a
lane it's not the width it's the visibility yeah mhm yeah but it's straight shot when you're looking up when you take those when I take those trees they have there now it's going to be straight shot looking up you're looking out yeah it's just a dead stump you mean probably 12 ft high i know
we've been there for over 45 years i know trust me i look out every day out my window but the amount of people I've had to pull out of vehicles with accidents is my concern yep i got you having trucks coming in and out having the amount of
accidents that we have now I don't want to see that in town increased that's that's my main reason why I'm here tonight sure i don't have any I'd love to see a nursery over there i don't have any objection to any of that i'm more concerned about the trucks coming and
going we appreciate we do have the right to not have no as I got a public safety background so I mean I'm going to make sure the safety of the visibility and like I said I'm concerned with the trucks yeah i think all of that I think is the planning boarding
yeah and and I think for us I mean the concerns I guess I have with the use um are what's the what's the setback i mean it's looks tight but it's I know it's not so that's 50 ft off the front what's
the set back off the side right here yeah like to the parking spots in uh which like a Oh you're asking how much yeah like what's the set back up in there like uh if I had to guess I'd say
it looks maybe 10 114 is that Yeah i mean so that's tight 119 uh and and the people driving into the post office what they're going to see is like whatever
stuff is in that bay right um which is like I said though it's all scrub rushed all the time yeah i mean 10 ft eight months a year you can see right right into those days uh but that I mean I don't think that's a massive concern because that stuff is out there
and but I can move the base to the back of the tree yeah we'll we'll switch all that around planning boy wise we just just trying to see if we can use and and so that so a that's a little bit of my concern i don't think that's even preventing use the second is is whatever like the the
pesticide stuff but it sounds like you answered that so yeah not looking to do any any sort of uh you know red pesticides just the liquid kelp stuff the type of stuff yeah and I know I don't even know already what you're talking about so
So yeah and so I guess for me there's similar stuff in town it's a commercial zone it's a busy road it doesn't seem like to me um it's something that the use would be unreasonable um I think
there's certainly questions to answer frontage about access about number of parking spaces which might be fine i don't really know um and setbacks and stuff like that but that's stuff that you'll get to I think if you move past it that's where I sit
where does any screening come here is this a pipe plan that that you would approve or or you would just use only the use just the use yeah only we're only approve on the use any kind
of fencing and the rest would not come to you behind you we're just That's the girl ask questions she that that would fall under the the plane board what what they recommend for them to do and the parking or whatever they
need to do that like I said you were willing to work with with all this stuff i like the idea of more farming in town i think it's pretty tight on a small piece of
can get more huh if I like I can get more make a motion to approve the use only what's that ask that I make a motion to approve the use only second like as presented is that what you're saying like as they want they
want to need proven the use of the plant nursery and the sales room like what they have live yes we have a second no yeah he's saying that yep we're voting yes yes that's all yes yes
awesome now you have to go through the planning no that part still there thank you guys all right thank you you want to keep that or we have it on here i'm glad you said something about that without that we I wouldn't have been able to know what the heck we're looking
at so thank you very much thank you you're welcome [Music] the next [Music] ZBA25-5 284 Mon application for a
special permit and our variance to operate a body art establishment in our commercial business district who's here for that step up sit there i don't know why they told me to come at
seven i ate a raw hamburger tell us what you want to do okay so we would like to um get a special permit to open a tattoo shop um in a commercial zone versus the
industrial zone that we're currently restricted to we've been operating a tattoo shop in Bridgewwater for 14 15 years something like that um the shop has been there since 2001 but we took over um so it's
not like a risky thing we've been doing what we've been doing for a really long time we have a excellent reputation we're good at what we do and um I hate bragging about that so just let me know if you need any more details on that
where's 28 where is 284 located that's my second i also have um some pictures inside upstairs inside yes okay um this is um our shop right now now I just want you
guys to see that we don't I don't know there's a lot of misconstrued exactly what What you picture a tattoo but we the rental we get tattooed free what do you mean i was
just I love tattoos so let's go here are some examples of some work we do kind of high-end tattoos more like artwork rather than What's your What's your shop in Brit broad Street Tattoo oh okay
get one huh get one they They're actually appealing my decision uh because they want to open a tattoo parlor over on M Fox Street technically they're not allowed there right totally or at all
so they need to appeal my decision to which would in essence be viewing the abuse varants yep which aren't allowed in town uh or their other option is which they're currently pursuing as
well to um try to get the zoning bylaw rewritten to allow tattoo fathers by special permitt okay in the commercial district what was that i'm getting a lot of
feedback sorry i said thank you there we go so you're saying it's only allowed in the industrial yeah it's like correct we allow tattoo in the industrial zone they're looking at a commercial zone uh when the provision
was written in 2001 they didn't even allow it by special permit it was strictly industrial only everywhere else is available so you would have to allow them to appeal my decision to put one there or their only other avenue is I
believe they're going in front of the planning board this week to uh to try to get a zoning amendment to this uh to the zoning ordinance which would then go in front of town meeting to be changed to allow
bodyguard establishments by special permit and or by rights depending on how they wrote their article like it it spec it says no no no special permit no in any zone like sometimes it's like yes special permit no it's like no no no special per there's no
yeses anywhere to his point and it wasn't updated this was written in 2001 it never amended since so again friend came in became legal and nobody's ever asked so now we got I don't think we can even give a special
Has it been done in a commercial district anywhere around oh every time has never It's the only town that's not It's because the laws don't change
i mean they're on Main Street and Bridge 18 right in the center of town right next to right now be basically across the street from the marijuana dispensaries one-stop shop i I don't I want more businesses in town
they seem great but I I don't know if we can I don't think we have any basis to overturn it i think the answer is is like they said is to try and change the bylaw which I don't think anybody would really have an issue with necessarily i don't think so you have to wait for
meeting to change the bylaw which is a month we covered our bases yeah to make sure we're either we overturn his decision overturn based on what huh based on what though i don't know somebody fights it
then they're Yeah we hope for this option i mean if if you were to overturn it as long as nobody complains about it life goes on if anyone would bring it to court it would never hold up in a lawsuit yeah we don't want another
lawsuit so can we continue this till after the town meeting and then well would they have My question is is the owner of the property do they have to come back here if the town changes the zone they don't have to come see or less or less has to change special town
changed the zones to it they change it through buying special permit then they could come back continue this and move on to that or if they allow modified right through the town meeting then they would they could cancel this call it out
and start renovating their shop the current request is for by right if you guys recommend special permit we maybe we can change it not even sure how how much we can amend that
before town meeting but right now is by right is that what the request is for right in the commercial this may be useful to poll the board and ask if there was a special permit how they may be thinking so that when you do present this at the um town
meeting you know you could kind of say the the boards all look favorably upon us and hope the town does as well yeah special Does anybody at the board have a problem with them with a tattoo par going into the pod there's no
question no no i I mean I I don't vacant spots up there they need to be filled exactly yeah i don't think we have No like they just moved up oh did they there was a church up there oh I'm thinking church
let's see seems to sit there what do you guys think continue it after the meeting after the town meeting we're going to make a motion to continue it till after the town meeting to see but you can definitely I don't think we have any
basis to overturn yeah I understand we don't have any opposition i don't knowingly put the family i don't think anybody's going to challenge that before i think that they're asking to see if
any of you guys if there wasn't any indication of a special like if you could give a special permit am I right Ed that like they want it would help them if you said whether or not you'd be in favor of a special permit if
that's the way the town voted instead of just right that's it i think they'll probably do better at town meeting nobody Nobody wants special permit where people would be think it's ridiculous that they can't do it we don't want a lawsuit again if it was okay would you be okay with it
would you be willing to continue it i guess you guys until the town meet and then we can come back and vote on it so we need to give them a 60-day so my question is town meeting votes on it to just as a right
then they don't have to come to town they just go to town and get a a business correct then it just holds them up longer and longer as more of it goes on well you got when is town meeting may yeah we had
months yeah it's only 3 weeks yeah our next meeting is May 5th so we have to wait till Yeah yeah that's why I said we do a 60day continuation i'm meeting May 12th and then we would meet again on my birthday that's kind of that's
not the problem all right so I'm going to continue this for 60 days so that you can go in front of town meeting and maybe not even need us yeah what's the Don't they want a date what's the date of that any second i'll second
all in favor i Yes yes so I think you'd get to the June 9th meeting if Okay if you had to come back before us and I'd be surprised if you're back okay yeah yeah the town the town seems pretty
supportive when we went out for signatures it took all three minutes it was pretty easy well this town's good sometimes yeah hopefully in the lottery you'll be up front because it's going to be a long meeting i think I know i there's a lot
yeah so that's fine be patient all right thank you thank you so much thanks hey you waited all this time for that sorry i'm going to go home and finish cooking my burger there you go thank you
get some bills who's got the bills right here oh you got sign them and get them open so do you have the uh acceptance or denial on the permits
i don't know okay got the building inspector quick bunch of Where'd he go no he he got building permission right
i uh acceptance denial [Music] i [Applause] petition ZVA25-2 S39 F
so now we're just putting what we accepted and stuff on a piece of paper so that you have it since we don't really have anything to sign there should be um I think a binder that has decision forms in it do you have any
anybody have that no I still This is meeting meeting minutes and here is a pointinder board comments there you go no there's nothing in there we just uh
we found them okay okay so can I just I just fill these out didn't you you don't even have to fill them out i can do it tomorrow if you just want to sign them that's fine or whatever and just write um the address of whatever one it's for if you don't
mind we'll put that in there a long past 14 minutes a long time ago this is for the long do we have to approve this have to make a motion to
approve them yes i'll make a motion to approve the bills that uh that are presented here any second what I second all in favor yes yes yes uh meeting
minutes for February 10th anybody have a chance to uh look them over i guess they were corrected by the admin what happened in March what happened in March
or two i'll make a motion to approve the February 2025 minutes second all in favor yes yes yes yes we have the uh meeting minutes for March 10th there we go
anybody want to make a motion march 10th i'll make a motion to accept the minutes as presented a second all in favor yes yes don't continue no let's just um accept
it as a weather right dude I have so much paperwork at this end can I be in the middle please what i spent too much paperwork being at the end please be in the middle
i get to read i get to work computer [Applause] put this in the Here you go anything else anybody wants to discuss i'm doing these um these extensions
we have to sign these too the extensions so I'll pass those down just don't leave yet is that guidance center going back in beside Dunkin Donuts yes it's uh they're doing a a
a landscape company that the one from before that yeah oh they're coming back in and uh putting it up oh he was wondering what the heck yeah he had it for sale for a while and he decided he might as well put the building up
good they they got the they got the structure before they even did the No concrete no before they even did the land unless they ordered the building and it finally came in yeah
oh he's got his hand blocked he has to do it so is he still going to do the business do you know the business side of that he's going to operate landscaping yeah the same thing as before i don't understand why did we have to
approve for them to to run a business when they haven't even gone in front of the planner board that kind of ridiculous yeah well and especially when like before we had seen all like what their plans were
but they were so I guess I get it shouldn't the details be ironed out it's going to motion well we have to do what what's her name amy storm water
management i don't know where did that go there's a lot of active participants today yeah you managed a great meeting today a lot of wild children and a lot of feelings and everybody was coming out
giggled and I walked in i was like "What is this?" We were there for them in months what's happening here i thought a couple of garages yeah that's what I thought i
said "I walked in the same house." Oh my god back door we got lawyers and suits up at the front oh my god i know like oh jeez anybody make a motion to
adjust sure you finished yet i don't know you're clicking around you're searching files you're You're doing great this is way more work than I was expecting that's the seat the seat of honor let's
switch i'm very comfortable over here great you don't have to be doing cheaters on all right so we get motion to journ we got a second all in favor all right yeah
yeah yeah yeah so what do you [Music]