##VIDEO ID:Fix9hgvpM6U## [Music] good evening being 7 o'clock I'm going to open the U November 12th 2024 Conservation Commission meeting agenda first thing I want to announce is that um this meeting is being recorded by area 58 and can be viewed on YouTube um also going to announce that I've made an addition to the agenda which I'm placing under discussions regarding 17 Lake Street um we have members present Mr Lane Alan de Paul duet and Caitlyn first order of business is's a hearing for 285 home street but I'm going to take some other stuff out of order and I just want to see who's here for what 265 that's going to be fairly quick um what I'd like to do is probably take you out of board unless you want to sit for the next hour um do we have his order of conditions special Lo conditions this is we need that 28 that would be this that to you one hand okay this is 265 mon Pon Street this is the storm water management order of conditions and special order of conditions um did everyone get a chance to read these Paul okay um it's very similar to the order of conditions we use for 265 there are some changes which we added and the most important change was that um any which is J part of the the alphabetical process is that any changes to the plan including but not limited to changes in elevations imperious surfaces resulting in any increase in drainage the applicant shut notify storm waterer Authority its agents or representatives in writing the storm waterer Authority its agents or Representatives shall determine if the change constitutes a significant change to require a new hearing and the applicants have agreed to that I am going to be looking for a motion to approve the special order conditions in order conditions for 265 Monon Street I put a motion that we approve 265 mon moner Street with the special order of conditions and I'm looking for a second a second okay we have a motion in a second uh I'm going to go to a vote um yes Alan yes yes okay want you pop that right back in the front folder yes you're all set thank you much lose my agenda already how can you lose I lose my dis agenda okay the next order of business is we have a public hearing for 285 Home Street this is regarding a storm water management hearing I'm going to read the the notice into the record um notice is hereby given at a public hearing conducted by the Halifax Conservation Commission with ref with reference to chapter 146 of the town of Halifax storm water management bylaw on Tuesday November 12th 2024 at 700 p.m. at the Halifax town hall to consider the storm water management permit filed August 14th 2024 by Prince Lobel Tha LLP of Boston Mass on behalf of the applicant lell Development LLC of killing thing Vermont the applicant is seeking to change the use of this industrial zone property to light manufacturing and minor storm water management Comm at the property located at 285 Home Street shown on Al assessor map 22 lot 7 everyone read the record the meeting notice I'm going to look for a motion to open the hearing put motion that we open the hearing get a second second all in favor I unanimous the applicant I'm going to ask that the applicant representative come to the mic um I just want to make a couple announcements on this meeting that back F we we're going to try to keep this down to about 1 hour um unless we can do it sooner um the I'm going just want everybody know the commission is aware of some of the history on the property as far as the flooding the tree removal top soil removal um it's also been brought to the commission's attention about the known as non-compliance with previous site plans um so I want to keep all the discussion based on this application um there's been some talk about the work that was done in 2019 that was prior to the Inception of this particular bylaw so we're going to keep everything from 2021 forward representative good evening my name is Ann sobleski I'm here on behalf of the applicant Liddell Development LLC so this property 285 Home Street some complaints were made back in March about storm water runoff and I appeared before the Conservation Commission then to inform them that we would put in place some erosion and sedimentation controls that were temporary and would retain an engineer to design a system to address the problem so we did that I went back to the commission again in March to inform them that the temporary controls were installed and they have been installed they've been in place since that point in time we retained an engineer who designed the storm water management system which we submitted to the board in uh August for approval this system as designed and I'll let our engineer Mr pav provide more information about the design but the system as designed takes into consideration the condition of the property prior to any work occurring on it so the original rates of runoff that are being used to compute the storm water management for this system are not the runoff from the property as it currently exists but are the runoff from the property before any trees were removed before anything was removed right so as designed this system will result in there being less water runoff from this property than there was before any of that activity it's the first point I want to make we've designed the system the commission's review engineer reviewed it he had comments our engineer communicated with him about those made some changes we submitted revised plans that are dated September 25th to the commission on October 7th those plans were also reviewed by the commission's review engineer who agreed that the system was going to result in there being less runoff two homes stre than prior to any activity occurring on the property and that's in his letter to the commission of October 8 um but now I will let Jim describe the system itself just to identify yourself for the record Jim p with us and O'Neal and um is it possible we can flip through the plans cor go up to the yeah I'm not sure how to work it so Caitlyn I don't know if you have any experience there is a remote there but I'm a little challenged there they were touching at the last time yeah I know flip through me my I feel like I'm going to be singing karaoke um yeah so this is um that's the erosion set of control plan but just in generalities I wanted to go through the existing directions on the site and what we're proposing and talk about the proposed drainage system but um the site is 2 and A2 Acres um home street is on the left side it's kind of a l up upside down L-shaped lot if you will and you have the MTA tracks on the to the north of the property and uh Residential Properties and wooded areas to the south and east and um so there's an existing 6,000 somewhat Scot building on the site and it's all a large gravel area currently surrounding the site um and what we did in analyzing the runoff conditions was to treat in our calculations we looked at the site before it had been cleared um back in around 2021 and so that back portion of the site was mostly wooded at that point and so we did our runoff analysis under existing conditions based on that wooded condition with gravel around the building and um that leads to a conservative approach in terms of what we're doing to design proposed system and what we're showing there is the the two infiltration basin sure you can go to the next sheet one more okay so these this shows two infiltration basins that we're proposing to capture the run so one to the north and one to the south of the building and they're generally located at the low points of the site which is towards home street and again uh these basins were sized based on the town's regulations where were required to capture fully capture a 10 St with no offsite runoff from the two basins um so all runoff would be captured in the two basins up to a 10-year storm and in larger storms there would be uh some runoff um from the what we're calling infiltration Basin one on the south side of the building and that would uh run off to home street through a NOA fow Spillway and again we've sized the basins um based on that analysis of existing conditions versus the current conditions and um the analysis shows that uh there's reductions in runoff for both the 25 100 years storm which is the maximum design storm that we look at so just to put that into perspective those are 100e storm is a catastrophic event a large hurricane like you've probably we've seen in Florida and North Carolina recently it's something that hasn't occurred in Massachusetts since uh I I think the 1950s it's a very rare occurrence in this area so that I'm just trying to give you some perspective on on the types of storms there's we we have a number of storms that are you know in the 2 to 10 to 25 year range but uh there's there has not been An Occurrence of a 100e storm event um in this area for um many many years so it's a very rare occurrence um so again just to um summarize um we we looked at the conditions from prior to the tree tree clearing we're analyzing those existing conditions and comparing it to what we're doing what we're providing for this post-development um condition and we're going to be fully capturing all the runoff up to the 10 storm event with no runoff to home street and in larger storms there would be small me of run off towards home street I think like was 91% just make yeah make sure that you go to the mic so that we have someone separate that's recording this I think J it was 91% of all the run out for a 25e storm is captured correct correct right so it's it's 9% um that's that's pretty much it regarding the storm water okay and I and I just wanted just to reiterate this is a system that was designed to solve a problem complaints were made that's the reason why we retain the engineer to address the situation to come up with something that would in fact solve the problem and prevent there from being a unreasonable runoff situation from this property um there's no pavement proposed on the site also I wanted make of that it's just water system okay Mr pav I'm going to ask you to come back up before I um I get some comments from our review engineer um we a couple of us did a site visit the other day you've addressed some of the concerns on the site visit um one of those um was the Basin or the that overflows onto uh Home Street which would be on the easterly side on nether road Road where you've got in your 100e strong you got some potential runoff onto Home Street which the highway department does not want that that's just one of the things and and we'll address them each time um there was some deficiencies on the plan I think you're going to to address um one of the points that you made was that you did a you did a predevelopment analysis based on the tree coverage that that was there and then you did a postd development is what you're proposing so is it a correct assumption that your pre-development wooded area was about 9300 93,000 Square ft with about 16,924 ft of wooded area so you've eliminated you know um 8 th000 ft of wooded area and now you have 7933 ft of gravel it's it was new to me when we you did these calculations that you'd base that on the wooded area which means that those trees shrubs and underbrush grass would have captured some of the runoff that would have gone that that went out into Route 36 because I think we we hopefully we can all agree that prior to this project there was no major flooding on Route 36 so if you did your predevelopment analysis on a wooded area I'm not sure that these numbers are 100% correct but I'm not a numbers guy um so maybe you can explain if these numbers are wrong um in based on and I understand that you do your St Water Analysis based on um on science and what how you you're supposed to do it um but in this particular case we don't have the woods the grass and the rest of the stuff to absorb that water I mean originally you had 16,000 Square ft of uh of a imperor surface that went out into Route 36 and now you got almost 880,000 so just hold on just okay so I just want to go over the rest of this um so that's I think part of what the commission is going to have to to to Really look at um and we'll count on our um review to to help us with that um during our inspection last week we found that the two catch Bas or three catch Bas were there were entirely full and you did address that um I'm not sure that the way you addressed it is going to be sufficient um where a we don't know when they were installed we don't know how they were installed part of our regulations do require that that prior to the installation of the Bas there's an inspection we don't know that the invert elevations currently in the existing basins are going to work with your Upp prop poos numbers so we're going to have to address that um and the the latest issue is the fact that even with 100-year storm they don't want any water under Route 36 so having said that um I'm just going to turn it over um to Pat Brennan our review engineer and then we're going to kind of cry him on on your how you got your numbers and should they be based on that wooded area versus the unwooded area okay good go ahead all right go ahead just identify yourself again pleas answeres for the applicant so I I just just to be clear when he's saying he's using the predevelopment numbers using that's what he's using for the existing conditions so that by making it less than that what we're doing is we're ensuring that there's less runoff than there would have been to the property before anybody did any clearing it's the base number now let's just clarify one thing existing conditions are existing conditions you you you based your numbers on a predevelopment which would have been with the wooded area if I'm wrong just tell me that I'm wrong um if I can state it in my own words I'm not quite sure you know I don't want to get confused of all this say in my own words we looked at existing conditions being prior to the woods being cleared and which I understand was around 2021 mhm so okay I'm not sure the exact time it was not the current condition so we're looking at a situation before the tree clearing was done which would have resulted in less runoff to home street so that is correct um and what it means is um anytime we're doing drainage analysis we have to look at what the existing rates and volumes of runoff are and if you have a lower number to start with it means you have you have more runoff to control under the post-develop condition so that's what we've done we we started out looking at it conservatively saying okay let's not just look at existing conditions as it is right now where it's all gravel let's look at it um at the time three four years ago when it was wooded when there would have been run off okay so you've answered my question so the existing conditions and and I'll I'm kind of sort of defer that from Pat and then I'll probably get you back up the existing conditions as they stand are your storm water numbers based on that surface which is pretty much imperious yeah the post condition we're treating it as a gravel surface and it has a very high curve number runoff curve number which is what gets put into the it's not totally impervious but it's a very high runoff curve number almost like paper correct so you're saying that your numbers for the the sizing of the basins and in the basins you mean they're gigantic I don't have a problem with that I just want to make sure that you're the amount of runoff that's there today is going to be captured it it appears to me that the retention Basin is Big off I just don't see how with the amount of catch Basin that you have there quite honestly that you're going to capture um you know 300 fet of runoff in a gravel area uh but we'll we'll defer that um what I like to do um just does any board members have any questions at this point or we can well I just have like more of a statement to make I don't think you can make a calculation of pre-existing conditions when you weren't out there to inspected or anyone the engineers or weren't there they can't make pre-existing calculations on something they really never checked up so I think the pr and conditions is I hate to use the words guessing game but cuz not I'm I'm going to call it Hocus Pocus yeah and Hocus Pocus is how how they work drainage but you know they they have a scientific approach um most of the time it works sometimes it doesn't anything else so I just want to get some comments from Pat Pat R thank Mr chairman pepp pgb engineering um as was noted I reviewed the original set of plans that they submitted sent you guys a a letter back in um September um the Revis plans came in and I submitted another letter October 8th um I'll just go through quickly what my comments were how they've been addressed um and then I'll get into a little bit about what you guys were just discussing to try to explain that a little bit more I'm going to go to the microphone over there that's fine um so on the original set of plans they had um there's an there's a proposed catch Basin right here which is still there um and they they were going to pipe it yeah you touched it so okay um they had it shown being piped into an existing catch Basin that's out there which which we don't want because when you have flow through like that it stirs up the sediments in the second catch Basin so they've corrected that by piping that proposed catch Basin straight into the infiltration basin with a sediment for Bay in the infiltration B that was my um my second comment was that they needed additional pre-treatment which is the deep sumps in the existing and proposed catch basins a hood on the Outlets from those basins and now the sediment for Bay which which provides additional pre-treatment especially since this is the gravel surface because you're going to have a lot more sediment in this runoff than you would from a pay surface because it's picking it up you know from the gravel um so they they address that as well with S four base um I was a little concerned about um the topography out by Home Street and I had I asked them to add some additional spot elevations so we can be sure that the run off because one of the things that happens is I run off from Basin number two which is the Northerly Basin if that overflows it's going to flow across the parking lot and end up in Basin number one the way the reason that's doing that is that there's a little bit of a hump the entrance coming in which I asked him to show some spark rigs there to to make sure that there was actually a hump there so that anything leaving this Basin wasn't wasn't going to home street but was going to go to the second Basin so they they did show those additional spot grades um to show that um I had a a concern about the storage volume they have a they have a drywall up here for the roof run off from the building building that is going to be um that's going to take the runoff from the building before it discharges into that Northerly Basin um they just didn't have that modeled correctly they they they straightened that out um uh one of the issues and I know that Mr pavick had had mentioned this to me previously it it um this is also it's in the mon ponet Pond Watershed it's also in the Silver Lake Watershed which is an upstanding resource water requires additional treatment and special types of storm water controls which which they have the appropriate things here but I just wanted to identify that that it wasn't up resource water and then um on the original submitt they they were receiving a waiver to not have to provide an operation and maintenance plan for the stone water um system and I recommended against granting a wa for that because again it's a gravel surface it it's going to take a lot of maintenance so as you as you mentioned when you were up there a couple of catch Basin were full so they have to they have to go by that um operation maintenance plan that they did include in the revised documents um now what their calculations show and in the way um the discussion which it's going um because the site was wooded previously that's what they have to show us that they're controlling the storm water that was on the site from there prior to the clearing they cannot increase that storm water um or they have to control the storm water back to how much was going off the site back then which is why theyve based their calculations on this whole area being wooded um they based that on aerial photography Mass GIS it's the state um geographic information system they have aerial photography that goes back to 1995 um you can look at it on Google Earth too so that that that's how they estimate where the where the forest where the woods were versus the gravel surfaces and so so that's how they how they did that and basically the post development is actually what you see out there today it's the gravel surface that's what they're trying to capture um send to these infiltration basins and and put it back into the ground on site rather than allowing it to run off site um and the their calculations show that um there is a reduction in both the rates and the volumes of runoff for all the designed storms 210 25 and 100 um to get back to what Mr pav was mentioning about the 100-year storm the 100-year storm um in Halifax um the national demographic Institute the Noah numbers at 7.67 inches of rain in 24 hours that's what the 100e storm is so that's what that is based on um in my letter of October 3rd I did include a third page which shows the runoff summary both I call it pre-existing because it was prior to clearing and then proposed conditions which is what's out there today um plus plus the new stor Mar controls that they're going to put out there um and you can see those numbers that as Mr pav mentioned there's no proposed runoff offsite during the 2 and 10e storm um the runoff offsite during a and a 100 is is less than what previously ran off when the lot was wooded um so they are meeting those um those requirements um and um Mr Diaz your your numbers were pretty much right on with the woods and the the grabs I had those sumarized here as well so um they they went from you know 93,000 sare ft of woods down to the 9 9,000 that um but that also turned into gravel surface so that's what they're what they're modeling it on and to get back to Mr pad's and your comment about the gravel being essentially impervious um the curve number that Mr pav mentioned is a one way to think of it is kind of the percent uh of water that runs off of a certain surface so curved number for a paved um surface a roof concrete is is is 98 so roughly 98% of the of the water runs off there's a little bit of evaporation and so forth so that's why it's not 100 the gravel surface than modeling with a 96 so it's almost the same as pavement so they are um they are modeling it the correct way um and their their um the calculations also show that during the 100-year storm I know that uh the highway surveyor had commented about the the emergency um overflow over there um during 100-year storm they still have a 5 in um of free board before it would actually go out that overflow the ponding level in the in the in that Basin is 4110 um of a foot below um the the elevation of that overflow so it it would actually hold the 100e storm the flow that's getting out to home street during a 100e formor during a 100-year storm is basically what they're not able to capture some of it's going to run off and that's I think that was one of your points as well Mr DS so um but that's that's my report i' be happy to answer any questions if you have any okay no hold hold on all right um I do have some but does any board members have any questions of that um I do and this is and I know you guys work from standards and you've kind of satisfied my question that the calculations are based on that imperious service and even if it was 98% 96% they have What's called the qack there that it's probably closer to 98% it's going to run off before it's going to penetrate um getting off of that they're proposing two catch basins down if you don't mind moving that down a little bit I don't know how that works try this if if you look at the the the Contours um somewhere where the the out there's are some writing there about the Abes no just go over to you right there if you look at the Contours in there everything is sloping on the Northerly side everything is sloping that's going to go to that small Basin out front which is not designed to intercept so I think this's a 75 [Music] Contour now you got a 77 Contour 76 contour and as it goes towards the building there's a 75 Contour So based on your experience where the row of aritis are where is that storm water going to run do so the Contours based on what's shown here for for the Contours it it's directing it this way from the property line um so basically the majority of the runoff from back here there might be a little bit back here that could Escape that way but for the most part it's go all going toward probably these two catch baces here first well where the writing is there's a flat 77 Contour through [Applause] there we got a 7 so you got a 75 cor tool up but you get the catch basing at the corner of the building and I'm going to say that you got a probably 80 to 90 ft from that catch Bas into the property line one of my concerns is that where the tree line starts you could in a 10year storm that effluent could go beyond there and it would have no place to go other than around the building you know unless it showed a proposed cont tour of let's say 75 or 76 going from that parking area over to direct it towards the Basin I I I see it going around the building um I'll have to look in my file but I believe I mean the way that these Contours are shown here it it is going this way from here so it's going to either hit the building it's going to get captured in the are were captured in those two from from this point yeah there's going to be some that goes that way and that's shown in there if you look at the drainage area the washed plans that they prepared um that is shown with some of that going toward that Basin but there's nothing in that Basin to catch it there's no catch Basin going into that Basin that's just roof drains is there a catch Basin well it's it's graded toward that Basin so Overland flow will get into that basin Common Sense wise should there be a basement on a basin on the north side of that to capture any potential runoff on the Northerly side of that building it doesn't appear to me that there's enough basins in the rear of that property to capture and obviously there hasn't been because those basins immediately filled up and it cascaded over to Route 36 so Common Sense wise and I know you guys are science guys Common Sense wise where that area is so long should there be a basement somewhere near the edge of that parking area to assure that no water is going to go through there cuz if it doesn't go into the original Basin on the Northerly side it's going to go around the building and back over to here yeah it'll end up in this Bas eventually correct it go but there's nothing to intercept it to go into that smaller Basin up top yeah just the grading around here cuz this this is your 74 Contour goes around like this and then your basin's at 73 so it's that whole area is draining into that Basin at that location and I'm going to say these are existing grades Mr pav right these are existing uh it's a the majority of the site is existing Contours what what we're referring to is the proposed infiltration basins yeah I don't see any proposed elevations on there I just see existing elevations yes the the only proposed Contours are where you see correct yeah everything else is existing so we we're going to rely on on existing conditions to make sure that works my and my only concern is to make sure that we capture all of the storm water from that whole back area two basins doesn't seem sufficient but you guys have done the math yeah one I guess one question this area out here is that going to be gravel is that existing gravel to I mean they could they could either grade out a Swale to go through there to make sure it gets into that Basin or they could install a catch Basin either way one of the other things that they could do is when they plant these arabes is plant them on a little bit of a mound so that it locks any water from going in that direction um yeahi you got parking and stuff in there so I don't see the aritis getting any closer to that parking area yeah no but I mean just right along the rad of aritis you can have them mounted up a little bit so that nothing can get past the Ares in a norly direction okay um I ma'am I did have you had one question is it more of a technical question I was just going to ask if you don't mind getting up and identifying yourself bares from 50 Al down the road um so my question is is that a lot of those trees that were cut down in the back are abing the pro our property right we're all the way back down here so it was just my question was if some of those would this be less difficult if some of those trees were left to absorb the water run off yes because obviously when it when it was treed um it absorbed a lot more so you're blocked my Bree wind tunnels so finish just so that you know um so when I was talking about the percentage of runoff yes the runoff from in in Sandy soils which part of the site is Sandy soils it's m it's called hydrologic soil group a mhm the percent runoff from the woods versus uh the gravel it's it's a 30 the numbers 30 for the woods versus the 96 for the gravel so that's and that's what their pre-development predevelopment I'm calling it now okay um conditions were based on was the wooded area that's too bad because if they had known this right then we as propety is wouldn't have like like a wind tunnel now coming directly from those Northeast storms coming through our property because a lot of the trees are G so what's happening is is that a lot of the weaker trees or younger trees coming up are being put you know blown over impacted because the mature trees were all cut down through that property so which leaves like a gaping hole but everyone you know so that was it okay uh does I'm going to anybody in the audience have anything for Mr Brenan he he's our review engineer he his job is to make sure that the calculations correct so let's we'll just if he's got something specific Road question on trees there why is there only trees on that Norther side of the property okay um okay let me see if I can get that answer for you um who wants to answer that okay so hi so the the trees are proposed not in conjunction with the storm water management application at all the trees were proposed this is the same plan that is for site plan review and the trees were proposed because one of the abuts um to that direction requested that there be trees okay how like request trees to Buton Light Property which is the East Side the square pot right there that hold 139 ft is my property I have there's a fence up there right now I'm looking at trucks boats you know junk let me let me see if I can get an answer for you just back hold on one second but I mean that that will help stop the erosion you know of water also for into my property even though it's you say the Northerly sides getting trees but it's slope towards the West the land okay when just going to answer just quickly I mean based on the topography and I can only go by plan shows is that your property is a lot higher than their property but let me see if I can get some sort of answer because there's been some questions as to what the use of that packing area is going to be yeah I mean you we with a water shed meeting but it's it's a sound barrier the train we hear the train more the ground shakes more with all the tree removal all the roots and all that so we're feeling it my problem there I can hear the trains more I can feel the the whole shape more now because there's less you know trees to grab the soil I mean cracks in my fireplace I mean it's just a bunch of little things okay I just had a water line place say nothing to do with that but okay let me let me see if I can get an answer I'm just think the shaking of the yeah trees the Ching the neighborhood let me see if I can get an answer the main things is isov in 2020 2020 20 in in December okay and new was 2020 correct and unfortunately those trees were removed prior to the implementation of the bylaw that we are currently working on we did have a byw in 201 19 but it was more the ms4 for for the municipalities was there supposed to be any notification to the abuts of any of these trees removals um I mean we just moved there we just purchased the house in 2020 and my neighbors here 2019 so we're fairly new but uh since we've lived there we never got any notification for any permitting or any type of work there we're not sure were supposed to be notified or any hearings um I can just tell you from experience that it appears that no permits were applied for but I don't know what permits would have been required if it was a gravel removal permit which that appears to be what happened to top soils then a permit should have been applied for then this should have been addressed at a hearing in front of the board of Selectmen um but I'm I'm not sure now on the aerial view of the mass you say the mass aerial view I looked at that online and I looked at Red fan Zillow it seems to mean that my property line that they took trees and went into my property through that that site if you go on that site you look at 50 ala I got a picture of it red I don't know how accurate they are for the satellite yeah that's that's the assessors parcel maps that are used by mass GIS so it's not they're not that accurate they're not survey great accuracy sure address I I just want to point out I did bring that to Mr Pav's attention that that um there was an abata I didn't know it was you that based on the aial photography in the map that assessors have that there appeared to be an encroachment unfortunately that's nothing we can deal with but if you feel there's an encroachment then they would have to you know replace the trees but we don't know I I don't know um I didn't walk that portion of the property I don't believe there's any staking out there I think they use their whatever information you use to get your survey I don't know that you U there's nothing on the plan that indicates you put any bounds or stakes in yep so but yeah the um property line is there's a fence surrounding much of the site yeah that is more or less pretty close to the actual property line that's so I I know the G the gis Ming that you're referring to Mr brenon indicated it's it's not an accurate depiction this is this is survey quality an actual Feld on the ground yeah and they they actually show that there's a stake and attack um at that corner right there so you can probably find that if you go up that Mr pav is there a stake in attack uh there was at one point if it's still there you know the wood can rot but there wasn't well it wouldn't have rot in the last you've been doing this about the last year or so right I know treated no you're more yeah you're more than welcome to go out there and take a look to see if it's if it's there okay okay so um so with with the trees it would just the water run off basically but how do I address trying to get some kind of blockage of their property so I have to look at their trucks or vehicles or let me let me ask let me ask this question uh attorney councelor the I saw somewhere but they do not intend to use that rear portion yeah so the the side plan if you don't mind the site plan approval for the for the site you know is for the interior of the building building there is some exterior storage around it but it's not it's not really contemplated that there's going to be anything going on back there for this particular use um the hours of operation are limited in the site plan approval it's not an ongoing 24-hour operation there's only okay two employees on the property it's not an intensive use that's being proposed okay uh the vehicles and I did see some Vehicles back there those Vehicles planned on being moved out of there the proposal that we went to site plan review for is for a tenant for the property a tenant to come in and use the property for this use not the property owner so to the extent that those vehicles are part of the property owners they'll be removed and in fact that's one of the requirements in the site frame review that the current use stop when the new tenant comes in okay you have any indication what the intent is that area going to be left vacant I don't believe I mean it's it's one it's one you know person and an employee I don't think they have an intention to utilize that area okay I don't know if that thought they should have left some trees up there then um theyt using it yeah I don't know I you know I don't know what they intended originally and and now this this is a new application they've submitted um okay that's been vetted um is there anybody else that's going to questions for our engineer and then I'm going to take comments from I'll just say just yeah just state your name and address for the record please Adam Lincoln at 44 Alana so I go up on the southide there along uh Bill and barber um you said that his property is higher than the lot is ours I feel like when I look out my window I'm looking up at the property they're dowr us I don't know how to read the map um Tre up say it goes up as it goes into 89 to 90 back here by the corner and then it drops off back on your proper do do you mind just showing us up P just show him where this gentleman's property is which is to the rear yeah he's you're right there the house sits right down on the yeah so there's a there's a high point right here and it drops off on his property so the high point is basically right on the property line it's probably the fence is probably right on that high down that yeah I can see like the trucks and the boats sitting there in the property from my back window okay but I believe and I do have the site plan and it's it doesn't it's not doesn't say but it I believe that the intended use or whatever the proposed use is going to be that those Vehicles should be removed I understand but then the question is if you can ask for trees can we asked for trees based on okay why don't you come back here so that we we can catch your voice um so then there there questions can we add trees to ours if we're indeed a lower elevation okay that's strictly up to the applicant um unfortunately our perview is whatever falls on of the sky doesn't go on Route 36 it's contained to the site and that's basically it in a nutshell um they've offered the r of aritis um if we've got lots of concerns then um we can only ask them to maybe come up with a plan so that you don't have to see any cars uh but it seems to me that's more than the cars you know you've got the potential dust um you know the wind you know we can't help you with the wind the trees are gone um if there's no intent to to pack anything there I mean would it be an advantage uh for them and I guess I'm going to direct this more to Pat if on your percentage is um you're looking at 908 and 96 if that was a grass surface how much does that change it's 39 yeah okay f is basically they use certain numbers to calculate how much runoff so if that complete area was grassed in their numbers would be almost 50% less 50% less potential affluent coming out into the gravel area I mean when you really look at it the cheaper okay yeah you get yeah okay I'm sorry yeah so we have remote people that do the minutes so they got to be on there well wouldn't you think just identify yourself 50 you think trees would also with the grass absorb somewhere r what numbers would that bring another row of trees I mean I don't know what you calculated how many trees are there but how far apart why didn't you just continue that down so I mean my concern is your concern is the water mine is kind of like the sound in which they cut down all this trees which I think was kind of unnecessary but for all that land but it it just opened everything up for you know sound the wind you can't do much about the wind we all saw it today he was blowing pretty strong out of the Northwest that's where it comes from and it's been it's been wiping out my trees I've lost since 2020 at least a half a dozen trees I mean it's great I got some Oak out of it but uh I'm out there cutting you know and now I get some of the small stuff of is falling down and some of it's falling into the DM tracks yep that's a big trees one new one new one a picture up there a big one this I don't know who clears that you know obviously but that's something to be concerned too cuz they're pushing them over they're pushing them over into the tracks and if you look down the tracks you'll see a big island right at that corner of the uh northeast corner there's a pile of trees that keeps getting blown out since the last four years so that's something we should look at but uh yeah I'd like to see some uh some trees expanded all around the property you know down to the uh East Side into the South corner I don't understand why also I look at the lot and it's Tre single trees in the Southeast Corner this tree Three Trees left they cleared out how many aces and there's three trees left inside that fence in that corner Southeast Corner what was the purpose of that why leave just three we we we don't know the yeah I I I have no idea um okay um just I got one other question for p but I I I think I know the answer I mean even if you planted a half a dozen trees in there I think the the the amount of moisture that the trees are going to take from the soil uh is not going to be anywhere near having that area grass to prevent the runoff our problem is we need to prevent the runoff trees aren't going to aren't going to help prevent yeah I don't unless I'm wrong in in his in his post-development conditions those trees aren't even considered inul yes yeah yeah that's more aesthetic it's got nothing to do with the drink yeah I mean that's exactly but they're going to go there help everyone else all right is there any anybody else that's got any comments yes okay just identify yourself to the marketpl Rick Murray 301 Home Street uh you have a p industrial zone property commercial can you before it goes to any planning boards or any designs can you go put leeching basins in the property on your own and then just add them to a plan a plan down the road and use them on that plant so anybody can do that it's like a they kind of set a precedent here where they went and put these three leeching basins in that are all silted up and full now that never did anything anyway and then they had all the trouble with the drainage and so then planning comes along and adds them to the plan which they were never designed never approved never inspected and now they're junk but they still get to use them on the plane doesn't make any sense I I I AG I mean yeah I agree that's been my bond contention since day one but they just keep ignoring me and they just keep using them okay and I just I don't see the like I said they just went out I I watched them do it they went and put them in on their own and uh they made no sense where they were anyway the one in the back of the building uh to the north side that's totally impervious material over there that thing doesn't do anything I've seen the water come around that building like you could float a canoe down and does it come around the the right hand side which I just showed him yeah so it comes around that side I mean that's what seen probably close to a 100e storm one time I sat in the front and watched and there's a river ran around that building the catch the town's catch basing out front the water's jumping up over at this high and it was unbelievable in fact it used to you know flood the neighbor out um on the South Side there at one time I think they did a little burn to stop that but uh they got I mean I I'm surprised to see these basins will actually hand the water handle the water I've seen come off that property okay it's incredible again that's my concern to answer your question I I would say that whether it was 2019 or 2012 anything that should have been that was done on the industrial property would require some sort of a permit yeah was previous site plan show and and I've noticed from meeting minutes and and other stuff that there's been sort of a history of non-compliance and and I mentioned that so um unfortunately there's not much that we can do um you know we can't make them put the trees back um we we we know that this I feel bad for these people I mean when they cleared those trees all of a sudden boy I get neighbors I can see the houses and I just felt so bad for just the the noise from the train wouldn't believe how much that added that impacted them oh I I just running that big vibratory compactor there for weeks I'm sure it didn't do their property much good either okay they ma'am okay ma'am unfortunately we got to get okay all right thank you for your comments um is there anything else for Mr Brennan anybody from the board are these catch Basin is going to be obviously fixed so they can handle it properly p i mean that's that's one bone of my contention but um that one I want to clarify something Rick if you don't mind you saw them putting in this is are these solid do these catch bases or they leeching bases they're leing bases that that was my inst understanding leaching catch Bas not leing very good now because full of silk okay well I can tell you right off the bat our regulations require basins it's going to have to be a solid Basin am I correct I'll have to look and see yeah it's going to have to be a solid Basin you know we can't allow you to put a b leashing Basin in there based on um your stor Water Management because you're going to have to do Cals on the bottom of that those basins because you're going to have to be your 2T above groundwater you know so if you do attempt to use those basins if they're leeching you're not going to be able to because the purpose of a deep sunk Basin is to get all the sentiment in for that to settle out and that's not going to happen in a leeching basin I correct correct okay so so we'll we we'll work on the go ahead okay so you know we're open to discussions like that but um um what we the intent of this design based on the minor storm water permit regulation this is what we came up with to make use of those existing catch Basin so there's less stringent requirements under the minus storm water permit requirements versus you're correct um I don't agree with that 100% because I think your disturbance area um is a lot lot greater um but unfortunately for the amount of area that you're disturbing now you do fall under you know we've CED how much material is coming out and so forth and so on um but I think you've heard the comments um I don't know that you want the ability to address some of them comments um I know that we're ready to address them tonight but well I'm I'm sure you're not we're not ready to close the hearing tonight we're we're here on fact finding we wanted to hear from the neighbors you've heard from them um you know and I'm going to agree when you cut all the trees down living near the tracks I mean those trees absorb the noise you know and when the leaves are gone your windows are down so um you know should it have been permitted originally I would say yes uh and they didn't um but I you know we can't we don't have the authority to go back and say plant any trees and we can't tell you to plant any fences uh or fix any fences but um I think the general consensus is that that that area was grass versus uh gravel uh it might be a little more palatable and I think it would be 100% better and you would not get any runoff onto uh Home Street and I think based on the highway surveyors whether it's the 100e storm or the Thousand Year storm he doesn't want any water going on 36 so I don't know how you want to address that um if you want to bury basins or if you want to put them in there um you know I think part of stor Water Management says and I I agree that there'll be no more runoff when you started in this particular case we know that there was no runoff years ago or before they cleared the trees and it's obvious that town does not want that particular overflow to go into grout 36 no matter which stom it is so councel yeah so I just like to say um you know this is the proposal that we're submitting I don't think my client is going to be willing to redesign this to include grass in that particular area but I can discuss it with him um I can't say whether or not it's feasible to design a basin that will withstand a 100e storm event I don't I'm not an engineer but I don't know if that's something that is ever required in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts as a standard because a 100-year storm is so remarkable and the design would be so complicated this is what we're proposing as an attempt to solve this problem and if it you know if it becomes too onerous to try and design a system to solve the problem then my client loses the tenant we don't exercise the site plan review and we leave the site the way it is um we're making a good faith attempt to design something that will address the complaint that were made about the storm water runoff but I will I will discuss the grass with him I don't think he's going to be interested okay um I don't think we we're looking for a complete redesign the the the size of the Basin is enormous okay I'm comfortable that you're going to capture most of that water I'm not comfortable with the amount of basins that you have and I'm not comfortable with the fact that it's overflowing on the RO 36 so to me that's a minor adjustment um I don't know and Pat maybe you can help us with this on a 100e storm what would be the impact if that overflow either wasn't there um what's the impact there shouldn't be any because like I mentioned before the flood elevation in that Basin during the 100 y storm is below that outlet correct it's 5 in below it so it shouldn't go out that up okay so if that's eliminated that's one problem that we don't have now I don't know under your design criteria is that required maybe Mr P you can answer that you're the designer is there a requirement that you have that overflow going out into our ms4 system uh it's it's a simple matter of gravity home street is at the lowest part of the site so Topography is such that the slope is like that okay but running off to home street okay but my question is this when you look at the Overflow and you look at the elevations there's a 1ot difference between the tops of the basins that are surrounded and the Overflow so if you rais that one foot that means nothing goes out into Route 36 correct he's asking that you eliminate the emergency overflow right you eliminate that I'd have to take another look at that okay I mean I don't know if there's anything in your mathematical standards that require you have overflow to me that's one just it's a typical it's a yeah it's a typical thing but you could you get get rid of the rip WP bring it up to the same elevation then if it ever overflowed it just be that whole burn would overflow it wouldn't be channelized correct go so I don't see an issue with eliminating that if if that's what the board in Highway surveyor wants um just make it grass and keep it at the same elevation as the rest of the Bas the top so that might be one issue I mean I do want understand that from your driveway area you do have a hump there potentially on a 10year storm which we get quite frequently as we discussed you might have a little overflow I don't think that's the problem as he indicated that water was coming out of the basins 2 feet higher you know there was just that much water coming out with no place to go it was jumping out of the basins and this is all after they did that so if we eliminate that and you did plant some grass or create something so all of that imperior surface isn't hiding out front um I'm not sure what you're talking okay what I'm saying is you got all that gravel back there and what the gentleman asked was trees that's beyond and we we know trees we we can't discuss it's not part of the the process but if that area was grasped it absorbs a lot of the water and that would almost guarantee nothing ever coming out into Route 36 again that would maybe moving some of them basins a little further north uh to catch anything that went around that I mean he just indicated that he seen water going around there maybe that Basin was there and it was just full and wouldn't catch it that I don't know I mean to me those are kind of Mind of improvements um if you move the Basin over if you put an additional Basin in so now we've got three basins instead of two to catch all this water because if you're dealing with pavement it's a little easier are you saying catch Basin or catch basins okay you know and they got to be desent catch basins am I right Pat yeah I was going to check into that yeah okay um the only question is Pat is and that's scenario can them basins could those two basins be piped because typically in order to get your um your TSS is out it has to be a deep sump Basin going directly into that four bay four bay which which they piped separately into the 4 Bay correct but if you added a basin if you added a basin and it went from one Basin to the other it really shouldn't affect the Cs anymore it's not affect the Cs but like I said in the beginning it's not good practice to do that because the second catch Basin that it's flowing into when the flow is coming into it it can resuspend the all right so you'd have another Bas in there you relocate the basins that are there cuz it sounds to me like they're not going to be any good for you if they're leashing basins and you add an additional Basin in there and pipe that and plant some grass to me that kind of solves a big problem but you know Mr Gana up the mic please uh ber G 17 P Conway I believe if you look in the file uh on the uh it will show that uh the applicant has already agreed to uh quote unquote do whatever it takes in the June of uh 2021 one of the conditions was if there was any problem with the runoff or anything uh the applicant will come before the board and do whatever whatever it takes to remedy a a a runoff situation so I think it's it was kind of clear and the conditions that they approved it's signed by Mr Gordon M I think it's condition number two that uh he's already agreed to come back to the site and do whatever it takes should there be a water runoff problem thank you okay you're welcome councelor I'm did you see the decision on June 24th 2021 that's the decision he's referring to that's you've s you've seen that that's that's the original one that um based on the information that we've received that there was nothing on this particular site plan approval that was done nothing they didn't do anything I mean I think that is the site plan approval that allows um the current use of the property and in and that site plan shows this enti gravel yard as the gravel yard that's what I'm familiar with I mean to the extent that the applicant who was not represented by me at that time said they would do whatever it takes I mean we are here with an application for a storm water management permit to address this situation that has been reviewed by the commission's review engineer and we have designed something that will result in there being less water runoff to home street than there was before any activity occurred on the property okay so in my opinion we are making an attempt to solve that problem okay the the only thing I just want to comment on that and and I understand and I've looked at the numbers um and I know the philosophy and and you need to with strong Water Management you need to make sure that no additional runoff that there's no additional runoff from originally to what you're proposing these circumstances I think are different I mean we've got a major problem here um and it's been a problem for those neighbors so I think we're going to have to step out of the lane and come up with a plan to make sure no more water comes out on 36 um and I I think that would be the goal of the commission I don't want to speak for everybody but um so I want to try to keep this around an hour it looks like we got all the comments that's okay is there any other board comments at this point or any questions they have for either the attorney Council or Pat um Mr yes just to clarify was I correct in saying is abolutely on on one of the conditions that they so that would probably include grass and and trees if in fact whatever it takes to it's just not clear from this and as as councelor indicated she didn't represent him at the time so she can't represent what the intent was back then uh it appears to me that some Mr lell it was the one that said that okay I don't know his first name but it was Mr Liddell himself I don't believe Gary lell has ever been to a meeting but I could okay okay so um I I think you've heard from the audience so I guess it's going to be your call as to how you want to proceed we know that there's going to be some changes to the plan um you've got a copy of that we're going to need the um soil logs on the plan um if you intend to use those basins you going to have to ask for a waiver from our regulations cuz we do require that they be inspected in um prior to installation so you decide what you want to do you want to try to move forward and go for a vote or do you want to continue this and and and talk to your client to see how we can come up with some sort of resolution that you know these people aren't flooded again you know I can't we can't talk about trees and that's beyond our power um that's your pleasure councel so I think that we do need to um discuss with Mr Brennan the issue of the catch basins to make sure that we have adequately addressed that and that it's not going to be a problem so we wouldn't like to ask for a vote tonight we could discuss that with him and make any revisions we could make the revisions that we um indicated we would in the letter from Mr P as well okay good um your request continue is to our next meeting which I think is November 26 that is it November 26 yes okay is that your pleasure Council I'm sorry yeah we meet every two weeks do you need more time um I mean I don't know with Pat if um if it was me inspecting the basins you'd be out with a machine digging them up um so you know you we know they full you know you have to get a back truck but um if Mr Mary says that they're leeching basins then I'm going to believe that they're leeching basins which means that they're not going to work for you're going fire all we have to we we have to because we require a deep sump Basin and that's how we get the total suspended solids out am I correct Pat so we can't allow uh a basin A leeching Basin in Li of that so or the other alternative if you determine and that they aren't leeching basins and you want to certify them and you want to ask for a wo then but you'd have to certify them so yes sir absolutely okay go the 301 home um I actually have photographs of the face of so and I don't think we should be going on I don't think so yeah no no they I can I can tell you and and I I address that to thank you I address that to them on the site plan that um uh and he discussed whether or not they could V them and that's up to them but we do need some sort of certification that they are desent Bas if if that's the case um and just a question just because I'm not familiar with it but U now that there's going to be re revisions done to the site plan itself um the original site plan that was brought forward to the planning board now there's going to be changes to it is that going to have to get refiled and Reed from the planning board but like the lots of water shed on there and everything I would say yes I think as a courtesy that um when we get to a point that we're ready to make a decision on this all right as I stated in the last order I conditions we are going to approve a plan that's dated such and such such and such all right that plan obviously is not what was in front of the planning board so it's going to be incumbent upon the applicant because he's not going to have an approval for that plan from the planning board so I would say yes okay so even though the original site plan was approved with contingency that conservation was okay with it now there the changes being done to this plan it's going to have to be refiled in my opinion the changes are significant enough for us to defer to the board to that planning board if the planning board reviews the plan and said look it these are strictly drainage uh um structures that were moved around there's no change in in in lighting there's no change in parking uh there's no change in the use in the the the building then that's the planning board's decision whether or not they want to hold a new hearing or just say okay we're going to go we're okay with that particular so would that be the time that the other ABS would come to the planning board and address the you know overall appearance and you know potential that plan things okay the planning board I believe has has jurisdiction over the planting if this was done properly and they had applied for an earth removal perit there's buffer zones that are required okay and there are none so where we just got all this non-compliance and I honestly don't know how to fix it you know if the planning board says well look at you know we've heard from the Butters and the wind and the noise and the dust and they want to address that I think they can on the site plan um we can only address the drainage portion of it you know and and maybe the grass you know I don't I can't have anybody plant trees um you know maybe move the basins around and make sure we capture everything but uh yeah we would defer that I would suggest that this we go back to the board and let them review it to see if if the change is just substantial and I I don't know I think in their minutes they indicate that I don't know if it's on their orders um but no it is I don't think it is on the orders but they're going to be on all of our orders okay thank so counselor you want to request to continues yes we'll take the continu for the two weeks okay I am looking for one minute anybody got any other comments Caitlyn any any other questions any okay I am I got a motion in front of me to continue 258 Home Street to November 26 I put a motion that we continue 285 Home Street to November 26th we have a second second okay we all have a vote I I it's unanimous okay feel free to contact us contact the office you can Caitlyn and I we'll go over the plan whatever you got for re revisions um so that everybody knows when we get here I prefer everybody knows what we're doing when we get here and then if there's any other plans any any Butters that that want to be notified or come in and review the plan obviously we'll give them that the opportunity okay uh I was just curious when we would need to submit in order yeah try to get something in the week next meeting okay um you know and if you get an idea as to what you want to do just you know let the office know um you know I'm in touch with Pat and um and if it looks like it's pable and um you know we'll let people know and um and hopefully we can get a result okay thank you so much tell what I lose agendas thank you I lose agendas just going little clear thank you Mrs aler you are not on my agenda I do not want know why I we miss that I thought was a you had nothing better to do to come and see us tonight okay so all we're waiting for now is the 10year rain that they we just talked about yeah once we get the 10year rain we'll know if we accomplished that thing and um it looks lovely okay good good I mean I you know Steve spent a lot of time out there with what we need to do to get that water to go here um but obviously with Machinery equipment um but there was a lot of eyes out there so I I think we're going to be in good shape okay and I'm not ready to okay guys that did it good did a great job okay good so next rain you know where I'm going I'm going to Duncan and I'm going to the other place I'm not buying anything but so okay uh our next order of business is going to be 596 Mont poner Street and that is a request for a partial certificate of compliance um the situation is that the owner has has um you got an original certificate compliance I don't know something happened he got a yearly extension and that has expired so what we're what I'm asking the board to do is to give them a a partial certificate compliance because the balance of the work is um somewhere between 80 and 90 ft from the um the wetlands area um the agent went out okay um did an inspection based on our regulations and I'll let her say if there's anything that she saw or recommends or doesn't recommend so I went out to 596 mon ponen Street on October 29th um to meet the requirements for a partial cooc um and a full cooc is not yet obtainable as the leaching field still needs to be installed um so I when I went out there uh the Water Department was also there and they were looking for the old water lines um that used to serve the neighboring building um and those need to come out before the leeching field is installed um and an update on that is they did find it and removed it and when I went out there um there was nothing of concern when I was there um so no notes of concern on that one okay yeah uh her having said that I'd be looking for a motion to approve a partial certificate of compliance for 596 mon Pon Street we do need the folder gotta I put a motion that we give a partial certificate of compliance request for 596 Aon treat do I have a second second all in favor I I that's unanimous let's let's get that hopefully that's going to be this I'm not even taking in the p oh Pi good okay our next order of business is 314 Plymouth Street um 314 Plymouth Street is the old uh Farmstand the red building and we got reports of U material being dumped there we did send out letters to uh the former owners and the current owners and we did send one to the engineers we did get one response we haven't gotten anything back it's my suggestion that we wait 10 days from the time it was mailed and then we issue an enforcement order uh for them to clean up the site um we've determined from a couple of different plans and the most frequent plan that it's questionable as to the location of the material one plant shows is within the the 100 foot the other plan shows is not within 100 foot but based on the fact that they did have a a notice of intent that is expired that the entire parel would be covered so what I'm asking is that we um we wait a full 10 days and then we'll generate an enforcement order to see if we can generate some activity so that they're not dumping that material iial in the center of town um and I probably should ask for a vote for that uh and if you want I'll make the motion um then the motion would be that um we're going to wait 10 days on 314 Plymouth Street if we have no response we're going to we're going to proceed with enforcement action uh second that motion okay we have a motion in the second all in favor I I I okay um 359 Plymouth Street is a similar situation we have we have put a notice into the owner uh that for some reason they're dumping Concrete in that area um and piles of debris again I think we should wait the 10 days um I I want to point out though that before we do any enforcement action We Will We Will Follow the procedures which means that we'll we'll send them a a certified mail see if there's a response and then go into the enforcement part of it so again I'd be looking for a motion that we continue with enforcement action on 359 Plymouth Street that says like send a letter yeah we've we've send a letter and we'll we'll carry the same um same process oh you got pictures of it okay okay yeah you can see the rocks in the concrete yeah we'll we'll start the same process you know my my thoughts out let's try to do it with letters and and you know the enforcement part of it is the last thing that we want to do um so we have a motion in a second second did I go for a vote I'll second that motion you second okay all in favor I unanimous okay um next order of business um a few weeks ago our last meeting um in your package you had the Halifax code of conduct basically it's for all appointed officials in town that makes sense it was in your folder I've got a chance to review it um the Town Administrator suggested that we adopt that policy as a board so if the board's comfortable I'll entertain a motion to adopt the code of Halifax code of conduct policy for the Conservation Commission put a motion that we accept the code of conduct policy okay do I have a second second um go to a vote all in favor I unanimous um the next item on our agenda is 17 Lake Street this is the one that I added um 17 Lake Street Halifax is is a certificate of compliance um it appeared that the septic system was installed a number of years ago and a certificate of compliance was not filed for um there is a real estate closing that is impacting that's why I put it on the agenda um I'm going to sort of defer this to Caitlyn um we had to do an inspection so one yep so I went out to 17 Lake Street uh this morning um to conduct a site visit um and I didn't note anything of concern when I was out there um I looked at the plan before going out there septic system is is installed as they planned um so yeah I didn't really see any issues on the property okay so so based on that and just know this is become very frequent where King you know it seems like we're getting one every six or seven weeks with these so uh I'd be looking for a motion to um sign off the cic of of compliance for 17 Lake Street I put motion accept the certif compliance for 27 17 oh 17 17 like Street okay do I have a second we go to a vote all in favor I that's unanimous do we have that in the folder want to give it to me cuz I will lose it 17 I know I keep I look let me I'm going to sign this7 next what a dum physics Kay is there a request in here for us to sign there should be P let's see the photos supposed to file the request that's request yeah see sometimes it's forgot to put we can we just conside it later yeah they got a real estate closing so I'll let you finish okay anything else get out of your way you know better than I yeah usually she put it in front to there's something in the back here though let's see order of conditions those are both orders y okay nothing in that thing not that I saw Ed are you available tomorrow you available to stop by if uh they need okay um what what I'm going to ask you to do is get that ready and then each one of us to stop by and sign up okay okay sounds good I know time is of the eth so I'm available tomorrow so I'll come in PA can come in and then you can you can chase it okay um Good Luck next item on our agenda um you can see our agenda has changed a little bit what I've added is the an agent's report now that we have Caitlyn she can kind of fill us in on the happenings for the last two weeks yes okay so let's take it away with that so the first site visit I'm going to touch on is 27 Hillside Avenue uh so on November 4th a representative from Mass D forwarded a complaint to our department um they stated that the complaint indicated that their neighbor was burying mattresses tires Furniture Etc uh storing multiple vehicles and trash on the property um so protocol I went out to do a site visit um on the 4th when that was emailed to us I also took with me Board of Health building department and fire um and when we got onight it didn't appear that anything had been buried you know obviously mattresses Furniture those are all large objects you'd probably be able to see you know those were buried so we didn't really see any of that um however when I was out there I did notice from the road going into the backyard there was excavated work um one of the residents there explained that I guess someone had fallen on the property and they wanted to make it easier to get down to the backyard so I had just indicated them you know no more Excavating if you want to do any work of that kind you know you got to go through us and um make sure that's all right because there are mapped Wetlands on the property um and I reached out to D to kind of close the loop on that um and that should be all set okay I I just want to point out too is when that that complaint come in I got a copy of that and based on the the materials that I saw in the yard to um I thought that we should have Caitlyn building and uh Board of Health go out at the same time because it appeared it was a neighbor complaint that if we didn't handle it all at once then we're going to have three different people going out so and I think that worked out well and she handled it well so um and hopefully whoever 27 Hillside AB was and I want to point out too that when you knocked on the door there were Cooperators so I think this is an issue if they want to do any more they'll come in and and we can deal with it on that basis uh question um with all that I saw a bunch of stuff everywhere in the end is any of that stuff within the 100 feet of the wetlands from what I viewed it it does appear to be you know on the line or encroaching on yeah if you can like you said they very Cooperative sounds like maybe ask them to move it away from the um well I me in in in Caitlyn and I discussed this there was a previous notice of intent on the property to rep the septic system which we didn't check to see if it was certific compliance but that has ended so one of the things that you got to kind of look at is the big big picture is that yes you have an nice you have a a wetlands area and once that filing expired when they want to do some more activity it's kind of a gray area DP does not recognize the buffer zone so if they were in the resource area then DP gets involved and they say you can't do that work within the 50 to the 100 is very questionable it's a small lot and my opinion at the time and it still Remains the Same that as long as he's not in the resource area or creating any additional runoff into the resource area I would say Le will enough of them that's that's just my opinion yeah you know I mean it's not like he's judg yeah he's got he's got 12 acres and can stay away so okay I'm sorry go ahead all right so that takes care of 27 Hillside um the next one I'm going to talk about it says 265 mon ponet street that was a clerical error we're talking about 266 mon ponet Street um so we did a preconstruction meeting we being chair Das and myself on October 29th um and when we did the pre-construction meeting we didn't see anything of concern you know they had the required D signage up um and appropriate siltation barriers were in place um and subsequent to the preconstruction meeting work on the site has commenced okay now the fun one yeah and if we don't have any comments from the board no okay got so 111 River Street so on October 24th uh co-chair Evans and commission member duet and myself completed a site visit at 111 River Street uh so we W met with Wesson and Samson along with the uxo technician company VR um and Weston and Samson and VR walked us around the site um and they had showed us where you know they were clearing paths around the Wetland so that equipment and workers can pass through without disrupting the Wetland areas uh since that site visit chair Diaz and member ducet went out on 1111 and I will have them take it away um there for their update okay um just to point out somewhere we went out on the 11th that week prior we I hadn't heard anything and I check the the office there had been no response from Weston and Samson and their original in their order conditions and their scope of work in the safety plan it's required that they send us or an update as as to what activity is going on having heard none I did reach out to ecosystems which was falling off and the response was we haven't heard from them either um so they did reach out to him and we opted to go out there on Monday to do a site visit um myself and Mr ducet uh they actually took us on the site where they were Excavating for uh unexploded or ammunitions what we did find is that and this is not part of the scope of the work of the order of conditions is they had heavy equipment a screening plant an excavator and they were going to excavate an area that was correct me if I'm wrong 25 or 69 by there was a very large area they had marked out and you could see from the surface there was a lot of ammunition and they wanted to excavate that you know I mentioned to miss Jason that that was not part of the order conditions and that she would have to amend it I didn't feel it appropriate to stop shut the project down until she filed um so we asked them to put some sulation barriers around all the materials that's going to be excavated their plan is to excavate it screen it dispose of the metals and then fill the area back in if I'm correct I don't know if there's anything you want to add that's what they were going to do okay I don't know if there's anything you want to add that was pretty much it okay they did take us right to the site we did see some of the areas where they had excavated um we had all the transients there it appeared that they were in in one of the resource areas but it's so hard to distinguish that's not our a Wetlands as we think of it it's more like a wet Meadow so it's you don't see maple trees you just see the vegitation um so from what I understand I haven't got any more reports oh yes we did um there was communication that came through that they can't get one of the pieces of equipment either in or out so they want to know about putting some Stone on the road I didn't I didn't I personally didn't have a problem with that I think I CC you on that didn't I yes so um so hopefully they'll get all that ammunition out um and we'll close that but they will have to do an amended order um this rtn kind of got us confused which this is called a release tracking number and they filed this originally when they filed the notice of intent but in their subsequent investigation they found that there's potentially uh bcc's which are volatile Organics gasoline or something that's potentially in the soils so they amended their original release tracking number and that kind of threw us off it threw me off and um and she clarified that so we're okay with that and we'll just wait for the reports and then U like I said once she's done then she we'll do an amendatory conditions and hopefully that'll solve the Halifax p okay now I'm going to go bills to be paid and unfortunately on this particular one I am going to do WB oh wait a minute hold on wasn't there one other thing uh I wanted to bring to the board's attention well we'll do it with the bills um we've got bills to be paid so what I'm going to do is I'm going to I want somebody to make a motion to pay WB Mason Express Newspaper and Pat Brennan and I got to recuse myself from the last one okay iose put a motion that we pay bills for WB Mason Express Newspaper and PGM F do I hear a second I second all in favor I okay and I am going to have you if you don't mind make a motion uh for me to be reimbursed that's on what I did was I recorded the enforcement order on lot 11 Palmer Mill Road so I will need a motion and a second for that I'm but you're going to have to make a motion I put a motion that we uh rebse chairman Diaz for his um of $110 for lot 11 pill Road I second okay um all in favor I and I abstained just put a record that I didn't participate in that okay yes okay we did a motion for everything so I'm going to have Paul I'm not going to sign this one we did take that off the agenda until we hear from the owner the um pill the pmer mill the only thing that we and I got to apologize we should have and I'll make sure to here we should have left the uh Pratt Street on here just kind of remind me the next yeah we yeah just just we're not taking a vote or anything on Pratt Street but just to follow up Kaitlyn Caitlyn's uh notes for the week yeah we can do that yeah she you you can kind of explain what she found after she after you guys did the site visit yeah yes and that that's just quick because you found the difference in orangish yep so we went out I believe let's see what was the date we went up there we went out to 76 Pratt Street on October 24th and when we went out there we noticed that brush was cleared to the brook um after we went out and did the site visit I looked at the mass GIS um and I found that the parcel where that cleared wetlands are is zero Pratt Street and not 76 Pratt Street so I looked up the correct ownership to zero Pratt Street um and I had sent an enfor letter to the owners of zero Pratt Street um because 76 Pratt Street has nothing to do with the clearing that occurred on that did so the people at the house said they did nothing with that it was so I as as I was looking at this map I received a call from the owner of 76 Pratt and he said you know I'm a little confused um I I didn't do any cutting down of anything and I said well you know I just looked at the map I noticed that zero Pratt you know kind of engulfs his his parcel is is a square inside this bigger lot of zero Pratt Street so I said I'm looking into you know ownership of that I'm going to discuss with Cher Diaz um if you're saying you didn't cut anything you know could you please send us a statement saying that you did not I I did not receive a statement from I did ask him that um and I said you know we're going to send the enforcement order to zero Pratt um as it is on that law was there any excavators on 76 PR Street it was the other day I went by but when I went out there I was with member ducet um no one was out there we just saw that it was cleared up to the brook I think what we're going to do is again um just make sure pay we leave that on the agenda and we'll wait for a response on that got um what what also transpired is the the zero Pratt is a house that Zer is that the farm no it's um you remember the the um the mailman he's got the big bear in the front uh oh yeah down the street yeah he owns that okay he since passed away and it showed his his son and I'm terrible name so I can reference what he did um and then when she did further research she found that it was just sold so we sent oh zero Pratt Street was sold Zer Pratt Street which was part of something Thompson Street yeah because the Thompson CH is where the bear is that's where the bear is so she did send a letter out there so we'll just follow it up um I did receive a an email from 76 Pratt and my response was he wanted to get some information I said provided your phone number and we can talk and I never heard from so we will work on that one and see who did what but I think we got some ideas so so if you make a note have pegged leave that on on our agenda okay on next and last item on our agenda is uh October meeting meeting minutes did everybody get a chance to review them yes I know that I did then I would be looking for a motion to approve our October 22nd meeting meeting minutes I put a motion that we approve October 22nd 2024 meeting minutes I'm looking for a second U I'm going to go to a vote all in favor I I unanimous and it being approximately 850 849 850 84 9 I am looking for a motion to adjourn put a motion for the evening yeah uh do I have a second second okay all in favor all right you know this we are adjourned something [Music]