##VIDEO ID:Xy4g2PQeYds## [Music] good evening everybody it's 7:00 and this meeting is being televised by area 58 and present tonight is Gerald Joy Peter Parson Robert durgen Tina and marene am and myself K and our first order of business is petition 103 Tina would you like to read the petition take [Applause] please Al zoning board of appeals will put in public hearing on Monday July 8 or August 12 at 7:00 in the board of select's room atax Hall 49 Street Halifax on the applications submitted by Carlos Victor I'm not going to say it right coo to construct a 24 by3 detached garage said to be located at 27th aax mass as shown on sister map 52 302 book 19073 page 226 the board of appeals will consider variances and or special permits for the following selections of the zoning bylaws and any additional zoning Rel of the board seems necessary is the applicant here can you tell us what would you like to do I'd like to put up a garage I got uh zero room in the house basically avered Cottage no closets no cell no attic and uh I know one's going to have picture or anything I don't know some of the older ones I don't know what yeah what there are on there that's worth looking you're doing a 24 by 30 yes sir and you're going to have heat in it and or just a garage just heat I'll put heat in downstairs running water no um electricity yeah and uh what is the what is the side Lot line does he need a variance or just a special payment are there plans in the folder no no in the electronic F no that's what we trying to [Music] find would have been nice it would been nice bring any size drawings need lot a lot plan telling us where the where need in here [Music] too you what's the height of the do um 8 ft 10 ft less 12 [Applause] right you're going to have second floor on this yes sir and what's going to be on the second floor just storage in the first floor you're going to just park a car or couple of cars four motorcycles go of the board [Applause] just keeps getting better want okay Jerry Jerry Jerry one of these should be variance from the front set back and the rear set back structure 77 from the rear so I think that's okay but it's only 16 from the side okay maybe it was the side yeah but the house is only 7.6 know it's just so crazy other side um has the special permit for this changed does it still apply as of last week that's what what special permit like do they need it do they need a special permit for the garage or is that gone like you just said at the beginning no no that's only for adus space okay I just want to double check I believe this one's just for this uh side and the front set back not the rear no you were right cuz I'm looking at it I was thinking the re the front he needs a he needs a variance from the from the side because is it the side just over here because I was thinking the street would be down here not here so 16 so the rear the rear needs a variance and the front would need a variance only got 30 ft you've only got 16 ft because it's not attached it wouldn't be a special permit it's a separate building all by itself it's creating new non-conformities is doeses the yeah does the ground floor area of the garage is that greater than the foundation of the house no is there any way you can put this building on the lot so it would conform but it looks very similar is it so what's behind you no cuz the de what's behind you yeah what's behind here right here there's a there nothing really behind that behind building that CL up just um actually the border of two [Applause] properties you talk to your neighbors yeah s what do you think I think the size of L is is you know all the place puted is there any problem uh landwise is it do you land slope off where the house is located in the back there's like a 2 foot from front to back is about 2 ft drop off there's no ledge or anything out there no nothing all is there any reason why you couldn't put pull it maybe 3 ft and uh forward and attach it to the house um never thought about attaching it to the house it just by having the a garage by itself you're asking you know for variances that uh if it was attached to the house the existing home uh that'd be a little bit different because uh you've already you're only 7' 6 ft off the the roadway anyhow you know what I don't think I do that if I did that I'd be into the SE system you have a septic system right there yeah I'd be into the septic system if attached to the house also the access to have our oil delivery is on that side of the house so we would have to move the oil fil not the whole not the whole width of the house honey just attached to the house okay I just I know that oil thing is Right Way yeah that's I have the uh I have this here there right here see this the this the Legion Field that's your Legion Field yeah if I had attached it to the house here I mean you moved it up I have I have I have a driveway mhm um as small driveway if I mve it up here I I'd be into that but moving in over here the host I miss it but I never even considered it attaching to the house you know so this is the only place go there's other places but you still need variances this probably be the house it's right there off the sideway right there I considered putting it all different places but if I did I'd lose the yard okay you know that's seem to be the best spot to put it anybody else members of the board dve you speak speak on it what's it anybody to speak on it anybody against this or for this from the audience I'm for he's always working in his Gage so you do have a garage right now right no I don't well shed it's been a while since I do with sorry you think Jer anybody for an onsite I'm familiar with the area I mean I'm just looking at it the house itself is only 7' 6 ft off the road uh I know that we talk about uh a separate building is is a variance type thing but as I'm looking at the land itself uh having a garage further back you know 50 ft from the front does it make a difference I mean the house right now is at 7 fo6 it's already it's already a violation that's in there but it's accepted I mean we put a garage on it he's putting a garage on it yeah it's not it's not within the variance as still our laws the same but uh the house itself is not in in in compliance with it but what is the Hot Chip though the Hot Chip is just the size of the lot yeah the hot chick is the size of the lot and the septic system that he's having a problem with we try and bring it closer to the house and attach it to the house and and say the existing conditions are a little bit different the the so the tell me if I'm wrong I think the setback on one lot one side Lot line is seven and a 7 something right right now the side Lot line is 43 which is which is which is the r this is be the r oh I see okay so we have so the side lot lines are fine yeah we're this is fine as far as the house is concerned yeah so we're increasing the non-conformity in the back correct and that's really everything else is already worse than what is currently the case what it's supposed to be yeah I mean the issue though was like every L that whole set this is the same question we every single time which the the two things are the lot is the hardship right but then there's that the whole section in here about you know extension of non-conforming use and all that stuff so which we've done in the past but I think it's [Music] anybody want to do us like onsite want to make a motion to wave the onsite I'll make a motion to wave the onsite Vis second all in favor I I yes we waave the onite we saved you 30 days now we're going to vote on it anybody want to make a motion to accept the deny I'll make a motion for petition 10003 um as presented for a variance with a rare plot line to 16 ft that that's not what this says I just we've had an issue before so I want to make sure this is what this says what this says because this says 16 and this one says 23 ft and this one says 33t I'm F I just want to make sure we got the this is the the keeps on giving so it are you looking for 16 ft this for the back yeah yeah we it's staked out and Webby Drew this to the to the state so says 16 yeah that's it that's exactly it so the application at one point I think it was one of the drawing said 203 to direct so that's front right 23 23 yeah but this I this was originally done on one plan but that's why we didn't advertise the setbacks so we can yeah I would default to what okay cuz you remember the one we had that was different but that's because that went into the advertisement and that was the issue that's why we put the advertisement so default to whatever the the engineers plan say surve plan says okay it is actually it's not I was going to say that it's not the public hearing so I think we're actually yeah okay covered this time so it's 16t so variance to 16 ft 16t also the front what's that front the front it's covered on yeah still it's existing no that would be it's not existing because it's a totally separate if it was attached yes because it becomes a separate building it's a totally new non-conformity so variance of the front lot line from 50 ft to 33 ft okay I'll second any conditions any anybody want to put conditions on what the building no business use no no living quarters I'm retired you're just going to be using for storage only storage yeah yes probably work on the [Music] motorite do we have a voice for Peter yes yes yes yes and myself yes it passes 5 to Z thank you very much good [Applause] luck I'm a gas now [Music] we move the petition 104 you said 104 withw 104 there's an email in there they requested to withdraw without predjudice they the Adu that we can't actually do a special permit for it anymore but in case it got appealed they want to at least go through the proper channel to withoute all right do we have a letter from them to there should be a letter in your B yes it's in the no here waiting to respectfully withdraw without pures our petition for a special apartment with The Zing board of appeals for 14 Riders life thank you in advance for all your I'll make a motion to for petition 10004 to accept the withdraw without prejudice second all in favor yes yes yes yes yes okay Contin yes no it passes Now we move on to petition 105 he Zoning Board of appeal with holding public on Monday August 12 7:00 in the board of Select meeting room Hala Town Hall 499 Street Halifax on the application submitted by Daniel art constructed 1200t accessory structure set to be located at two excuse me 364 Home Street Halifax Mass is shown on assessor map 12 L 4B book 48816 page 93 property is zoned agricultural residential the board of appeals will consider variances and our special permits for the following sections of the zoning bylaws and any additional zoning relief boards deemed me necessary 16712 e for no garages or barns shall have a ground floor area greater than 884 ft 1671 1286 no residential garage or Barn shall have a door height greater than 12 ft do you want to speak to tell us what you want to do uh just looking for a garage 1200 ft 30 by 40 and um the door is actually going to be 12 by 12 it's not going to what are you going to do with it just store a couple cars and second floor on it too no just a garage do you have the plot plan first yeah [Applause] I'll take it came prepared I brought six extra and I submitted six I tried [Applause] [Music] go was 12 x 12 you said y some Big C in case we have one motor home or something at all yeah I don't want to build it too small right do now have to pay to have it cut open and you going to have heat in it maybe down the road water water [Applause] the metal building yeah so you're putting all in the back of the back of the proper yeah what's it where's where do you access it from you have a driveway that it's going to go all the way back you can continue the driveway and you cut around the tree [Applause] and how how high how are the doors 12T so okay so they're not gr they're not great then when we submitted it we couldn't remember if it was 12 in case easier to say we don't need to do 100% Y come back um are there other garages of this size and that area um what if you go I'm on the corner at homes Oak like go straight literally I think it might be this house or like right here there's the same exact building okay it just turns sideways I'll be going oh sorry I'll be going in the Gable and he has three doors this way but it's a 30x40 I actually looked up the forers Z board oh so there was a permit for that too yep okay and we did that one 16 I I think it was 2016 what I looked up got race cars right yep 20 cars oh yeah are you going for a varus no just um oversized it's just a little too big yeah oversiz permit in the garage do being but not actually so would you have electricity in it there would be power yeah what's the square footage of the house just under 16 just over 15 15 20 1560 something the main floor of the house is 1500 ft yeah it's a single L [Applause] Ranch I think it's just over 1500 so you said um your driveway can go all the way to it yeah I can kind of sneak through some trees and okay it's plent I drove up there last week is this is this open like is it is it wooded is it it's um will they be able to see it is there's like you can't see it from the street okay would you be able to see it from there there's still there's still wood line okay you I mean you can see it but there a Sol yeah but is it gonna be like you know no it's not like I'm put wide open that's what I don't know back there yeah no it's a wooded area there that's his anybody from the audience have any objections [Music] comment MERS of the board yeah it seems to me like it's there's uh similar uh size garages in neighboring Lots it seems like there's already a setback that's wooded that will not derogate from the anybody want to make a motion to wave the own site make a motion to wave the own site inspect second second all in favor yes make a motion right yeah I'll make a motion to accept petition uh 10:05 as presented second all in favor yes yes yes yes passes 5 to Z Lu [Applause] petition 106 Melissa McDougall you want to tell us what you want to read zoning board of appeals will hold a public hearing on Monday August 12th at 7: pm. the board of Select meeting room Town Hall 99 Plymouth Street Halifax only the application submitted by m mcdou to construct a 20 by 28 oh 28 fo4 Edition and a 6ot front porch said to be located at 57 linging Street Halifax Mass is shown on assessor map 52 lot 307 book 47353 page 314 property is zoned agricultural residential the board of appeals will consider variances Andor special P permits for the following sections of the zoning bylaws and any additional zoning relief 1678 extension of preexisting pering use 1671 front set 50 ft want tell us what you want to do uh yes so um my um I would like to add a um proposed office I there sometimes I do um n and documentation and also my boyfriend um does a lot of work um as well our part living room the chimney is not functioning so we'd like to go forward um and have a bigger um living room for the children um keep you also um we're going to add a new um Foundation you know forward because um part of mine is half um dirt you know half um you know uh foundation so we' have a a brand new Foundation board um a living room the uh second bedroom which still remain um downstairs and there would be stairs going down into the basement and then there would be just in the front um a master bedroom and bathroom um heat electric um all of the above um and ideally also a for so the the proposed addition you going to have a full sell um it'll be so I have the old seller cuz I I can't like live so the old seller I can still have access and I'll have like you'll have access from both from the new edition to the old Edition yes really just creating more Cho for little little privacy maybe for myself of and I can't go out back because of my septic and we have any fence and um from what I took um photos from um you know the other neighbors to see how far away they work on the street Etc and still gives meance so she's asking for at 31 the front so St are included in variance yes yes so be variance on the front a special permit on the side it's already it's just uh it's prexisting on the side but it's a new not for out fromont the one on the side is new it's it's increased what's that the found exended yes that's the one the doesn't no I'm sorry it's front as well two fronts front front yeah but where one is it's just extending that line it's just intensive part extending a non-conformity because it's already been a nonconformity so that would be a special permit the one out front she originally had 50 ft so she was conforming and we'd be creating a new non-conformity that's where the variance would come in she's asking for two from the side and the front technically they're both front set backs she on a corner lot that would be that would be the lot shaped portion of thek and I'm all as well any members of the board want to comment I think with the size of the lot there isn't much you cantic um I think think an improvement to the neighborhood add value to the neighborhood absolutely thank you definitely anybody else anybody from the audience uh against it or for it for it for [Music] for why not make the property definitely anybody want to make a motion to wave the onsite I'll make a motion to wave the onsite second all in favor yes yes yes myself yes you all very much I'll make a motion to approve uh petition number 106 especially if we're going to add a new room for is man oh definitely oh yeah we actually already um both my daughter's room so he's got a big Mario right now all right very good second that [Music] Mo anybody second it Mar second it um I I if if there's anything I would say that um we're the because of the Topography of land location of the septic system and the size of the lot um uh they're already limited to what they can do uh without increasing a non-conformity somewhere else so the hardship is very clear on topography and the way the laot is built as it is so we get a motion in a second Molina oh a second yes yes yes yes yes passes 5 to zero we're going to make a motion for the special I'll make a motion 106 the special permit second all in favor yes passes 5 to Z good luck good luck take thank you very much I appreciate thank you you're welcome say [Applause] [Music] [Applause] goodbye next this one is online there's no petition number on this one New Era it theal theal letterist did we sound the bills so we have the notice of public hearing right here read oh yeah you want to read the Y um healthx zoning board of appeals will Public public hearing on Monday August 12th 2024 at 7:00 in the board of select's meeting room in Halifax Town Hall 499 Plymouth Street Halifax on the application submitted by John bur to reconstruct a single family residence said to be located at 22 Home Street Halifax Mass is shown on assessor map 65 lot three property is zoned agricultural residential the board of appeals will consider variance and or special appartments from the following selection sections of the zoning bylaw and any additional zoning REM from the board deems necessary 16778 restoration 16711 rear setback 16711 side set and for the record this is petition number zba 24-1 oh okay good catch thanks I don't know if you said it or not no I didn't uh who's the applicant you want to tell us what would you like to do and my house that's there now is destroyed by two trees so I to tear it down build a new house'll see the so I've been working with conservation for 2 and A2 years to try and fit the new property or the new house because we want to add a garage [Music] m is that where that lock yes when the trees came down in the house y i I didn't want any more trees hting so I told to take everything that was a safety issue or dead can you tell us what what you want to build and all that um well we're going to build a house in your own words what would you here so this is the existing and we're going to put a house we worked with um conservation about they wanted the garage outside the 50 ft because I can't do 100 ft because the property lined up you got a 50 foot no touch right so there 50 ft is right here so we move the garage from straight across we move it towards the street so so that's the only C was proposed that need to be moved we have to do a new septic cuz the existing septic is over here um and it was it's within 75 ft so they want they asked for to health asked if you're doing all of this you might as well move it so that it's outside so that it's conforming for the Bo of health so cuz right now I have to have title Pride done every year because it's too close to the lake M so we're moving into the other side of the house and and the leing field will be out here um there currently there's a driveway that goes across here we have to move here so theion Fields going to be closer to home street correct yeah and your garage is how far is it from the lake uh 52 but the house itself is from here 425 ft to the street and the leeching field is I believe it's 22 and this is all new construction uh yeah be tearing down houses if you gone by there it's I've kind of Let It Go that's where all the the containers are and all that yes yeah the containers are right here what is that existing house that's not the house right yeah the existing house that's there it's still there this one there oh that's house okay so these these houses Home Street all owned by and Sally could probably tell you better than I can but they were all owned by one family and when the family um split up the houses cuz they were going to sell over do whatever they wanted with them they made the lot lines so obviously they talk to Sally and Sally didn't somebody building a house right next to her so you they this is the driveway a house he also raised the house and reilt it com to they supporting Parker property yes okay and I'm anxious to get my neighbor back we living in an apartment we looked the house was trees and then it rain days she [Music] called You're 6 how far are you from so this is the same this is actually this is what you propos to so this is basically right now it's 18.6 and it's going down to 12 and then looks like this is what it's going down Tois was already nonconforming is just a pre-existing non-conforming extension of a previous non-conformity everything else here everything else special permit that 17 full be a variant very he's kept it all from the distance from here to there I think it's 600 yeah we did a side this is about as textbook topography I think you could possibly geter took me five minutes just to figure out what I was looking at took us two and a half years conservation fit the puzzle into what we were trying to do you're all set with conservational EXC I hear you excuse me so conservation and Board of Health approved this already Yes and uh all right what does the board think uh I think it's very clearly the Topography of the land is I I don't know how else other than build the exact same footprint to be able to do that which sounds like they've done a ton of work to try and improve what they've done in a lot for the geography and they've done a lot of work to get to the point where they are right now and it's very clear that they took like painstaking detail to stay as close to the side and the rear set backs as they possibly could could see people doing that so they're only asking for the variance on the side lck line the other ones are already been there from from the past so they're only asking for one variance and uh the way the Topography is like you said and uh anybody from the audience objects I guess I guess this is my only question is we had that house before that was a restoration that there was something about adding more space as opposed to what there already was does that apply at all here it was roof line right wasn't that on the other side was roof line or was space I I just want to make sure it was living space with the new roof line right yes that was way on the other side yeah I'll make a motion to wave the onsite inspection I'll second all in favor yes yes yes yes now we need we need this a motion for two a special permit and a variance right I think it's is it three special permit it says three it says restoration and that's what made me ask that question there two for the two special restoration and then two special permits for the the side the rear are special permits the other side would be a VAR need two yes two special permits and a variance let's do the uh variance first anybody all I'll make a motion to uh accept the variance of the side Lot line uh to 17.7 as presented for petition zba 241 I said that correct yeah we have to have two yeah two two we got to vote on this one that's a that's a that's a continuation special permit right yeah then yeah this is just the variance yeah just for the variance anybody want to Second it second all in favor yes yes yes yes yes myself yes now we need another motion I'm make a motion for the continuation of a nonconforming rear setback and side setback for petition zba 241 sound good second all in favor yes yes yes yes myself yes passes 5 to zero thank you you got one two the restoration we combine them all at once or we need it all three we have one more they should be all you have one more I'll make a motion for the special permit for the restoration of nonconforming that 16 16778 all in favor yes yes Century we need another one we do yeah we need three special per we did three we did three okay we're also continuation side and rear Vari both at the same time no no we did all right side make I'm pretty nobody Lu you we might need three cheets [Music] right we really say do it on one CU that's just I see you on Wednesday thank you all right thanks guys all right we got to go else we got we got we got minutes we have minutes there's some in here please approve might thank you have a good night said yeah your name thank you I'm sure you thank you oh you're welcome my love thank you all very much sir the minutes yeah they're not in here they in the oh the minutes we need to approve hold on I might have a fold yeah that might be oh yeah there who knows right we'll see just kidding this 2024 24 years from the 21st century that's online all right anybody read the minutes for April 8 2024 is there a folder over there with minut anybody want to prove there's no folder with minutes H over there no we've gone through all the you that looks good here we go June 10 ail April 8 we you me you seen that was that was meeting we got just again he knew he was coming remember that yesterday make a motion I haven't yet you can you probably should somebody else sue us all right everything seems to be okay we get another set there too I don't know if I was at thate somebody make a motion yes I did oh it's second yes I do I'll second I read it yes all right yes anybody want there okay I don't think I was I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of June 10th 2024 you know I think about it all the time we need that too that's l [Applause] [Music] you doing in the [Music] foot V yes yes yes yes yes yes approved wow 755 see they all should go they aree lot of people we had in here yeah I could have G we had a busy agenda too cooking with gas looks like I'm not wanted you not on there I'm not on there oh I'm going to write name did you tell her you were coming it's assumed is it that that uh we have a bill from WB Mason office chair for $ 27369 well not [Music] B kind of in a roundabout way uh let's see supplies $48 63 for a total of $322 32 I'll make the motion to approve the bills $322 32 second yes all in favor yes yes [Music] yes what else we have communication preferences and meeting day preferences is there a better day that works for everyone we we've had some issues having getting people here on Mondays since April is there a better day that works for anyone is there a better time is there a better for these meetings this is the first full meeting we've had [Music] since First full meeting I had Cesar fixed my um the last the last meeting we were able to vote at June well we are in August now mon we miss two meetings in May I think that had a little bit to do with the confusion of the town meeting too though right but it was still Danielle's putting these communications out and then nobody responds to her nobody gets back to her so that's the other reason for communication preferences you've got a phone number you want to to called but so I know you two were here last we last month yeah you you saw the climate in this oh yeah it was hot well we can volunteer you know some of these people if if we didn't have a meeting today three or four of these people were going to get it through constructive approval anyway and they were just going to get approved because they didn't have a meeting so if that's how we want to go about it we can we just got to wait 90 days every time and then everyone gets what they want anyhow I mean this is the first yeah first I I got to be honest with you I've been on this board since 2011 and that's the first time that's happened so for us treated like we're abdicating our Authority in some way for the first time it's ever happened I know you're new but U but is is absolutely like this board has been through the ringer the last five years and and we've been sued we've been we've been You Know spoken that about I've had I've had stuff filed against me at the state so like the idea that we aren't putting in some skin into the game by being on this board is absolutely not the case but but I will say one way or the other I will say that the literally within a week of me signing my form to be reappointed for 5 years I then got an email and a phone call telling me that I needed to tell everybody when I just shown up at the town clerk's office to sign another 5year statement two days later you didn't show up at the actual meeting yeah yeah because this is a volunteer board and we have associate members understand we had interviews a year ago and says is everyone going to be there and no one responds yeah I was one of the reasons for that maybe I'm just stting myself I don't look at the Town email every day and and that's why we said communication ref people want it to their personal email if they want a text message doesn't matter to me whatever whatever is going to be the most useful communication just because I don't look at it two days or 3 days before the meeting I look at the calendar more than I do with something so she knows how to get in touch with so she not sitting there going it's I think email and text messages would be moreal us because if you s like days need a response that would be the way to get one cuz she said she normally sends out the agenda on Thursday M and that's when she asks you know who's who's with me she says she this is the first I still don't have access to the mple times I still don't have access it's been the second Monday of every month for I've been 10 11 years so I show up if I'm not going to show up I'll send an email out of the last 10 years I think I've missed two meetings right so I'm going to be I'm not even on a signature because I didn't let her know I know that but that I don't know why that was I was teasing but and I will like I get it but I I will say we have volunteered on this board to our personal detriment for over a decade many of us and to to get something like that after I did actually email her and let her know wouldn't be there in July uh and but but she said she never received anything but more importantly never got a response from her that she got it so and I don't think she's doing anything wrong I got to be really honest I added it to my email so now I see itation difficulties and that's why I said we if we need to move the meetings because of something great we can move the meetings I mean if she can send us the just a better way to get in touch like to get I think to get a hold of you two would and after July when I sent you the the emails or texts I had to go upstairs and find Caesar to find a phone number cuz Danielle didn't have anything I was like that seems ridiculous that we don't have it right here in the office to just shoot a quick yeah hey you guys around you I called you I left a voicemail so she said no one no one did not answer her I rep back to her sorry I won't be able to to attend because I'll be on vacation so if no one so if there's no one that reply someone did reply so again to say no one did not reply to her so when people most of the time again as uh Peter said this is a volunteering board so we volunteer ourselves so that's why I said well 12 months and one month out of the 12 months we're not showing off and because things come into our personal life it's such a big deal so we need to take that in consideration ites a deal when we don't have enough it becomes it becomes but it's not a big deal if some of us has some priority that we have to put before things correct to a volunteer job so that we need to have a little bit of uh respect and appreciation for that right I I agree with you I think if you're going to miss meetings we're going to miss meetings like I said the last time I've seen Peter was April and I'm I'm not trying to call you out it just that was the last time I've seen you at a meeting May you got screwed up with the other thing June we had to cancel it because we didn't have any response from enough people to have a quarum you know I don't want to drag people out here but then come may we start looking at people going well I've been waiting for three months what what do I do what what's my option what's my plan you know you may be volunteers on this board but these people were messing with their lives too and we have to be respectful of that as well we have responsibility for them yeah we do because as I said so we I'm that's going to be we're not going to be back and forth so if 12 months out of if one month out of 12 months you don't have six Buddies your seven bues we don't need six we need four so there four and it should not be we we can even do it with three just to get a continuance going you so I I will say to have to have weeks where we have last month we had two people show up you know it's tough for me to sit there and stare these folks in the face and say what do you want me to do they're volunteers sorry you know it's it's just not a great but that wasn't the tone of the we got the tone was let me know if you want to do this or else and that was I didn't write that yeah I'm not sure but but I got to tell you after all that we've been through for this board like I've been yelled at and I've been spoken ill out in in the entire town as had many of the people on this board to to randomly get an email after the the I had I had graduation week and I was away so and then it was on the you someone scheduled meeting for the town meeting so those were the three meeting that you hadn't seen me since April for and here I am so I don't think I didn't know about the one the next week there has been no list of meetings for this this year and I think it was because Danielle is new but I have no idea what date the September meeting is should I is that posted somewhere make her schedule we have you go online there's you have no idea you assume it's a second Monday of every month but may has changed May changed but for the most I'm say be better in putting it up but I think she's doing a great job I think she's sending out more stuff than ever but like I'm I'm not yelling at you or her or Cody or anybody for scheduling a zoning board meeting on the day that we all want to go to the town meeting but I didn't I didn't say anything about that but then when you just sat there and said I haven't seen you since April like what is that tone I don't understand that like I understand when I'm not here St yeah there was a tone to that though like I don't understand I haven't seen you since April you're right you just started a year ago you didn't see me in 2011 when I was sitting here doing this either so like I'm I I guess I just don't understand like I am very well aware of of what this board does I don't understand why I'm why we got the tone of that email and why like that this is going this poorly like I'm confused I I think reason I don't know that's what I that's what I want to figure out as well cuz I I want this to go easier and better for everyone involved I do know that for four years I was getting emails on my personal email and then they stopped yeah so and that's why like I said I I told Caesar I don't care what what email what phone number I don't care if we write smoke signals cool just I mean something whatever is going to work to be the the most prevalent way to get a hold of everyone so we can know send us an email or a text P one of the other both of them we just need you to write this down so Danielle has this information you to my knowledge when I asked her for people's personal she said I don't have no I'd be more than happy to give and I've added the email so I see with all the rest of so now every time she's sending stuff I'm seeing it like in with all the rest of my stuff so that that's fine but I mean I hav been on this board for 33 years I will probably missed a half a dozen meetings yes and the last meeting that I missed I had I wasn't wasn't in town it's meetings that can be missed meetings that sometimes you have to miss I get it but you they went on Facebook and like and they were like it's it's like I said last last month's meeting was T yeah just right so she has she has but make sure she but just make sure she has it all one place looking at her right so is she going to use a town if I have no problem using a town but I have no idea how any she wants an answer you can she give us a text message or an email if she wants it on through can work that with Caesar I I don't know what to tell you about the town that's outside of my last me you said something I said something we sat right here and talked to them yeah so and so that's why we don't want to create I I don't want her stressed out over something she can't control and if if the town email is the thing we can't control everything's Emil and we'll go to whatever we can to get yeah get the message out there with mine I had two Outlook accounts so they were like canceling each other it took it took me a while to figure out how to get it on here but now that it's on here I can I'm getting everything so personally I hate soem a great um the agendas but not like not the stuff so as far as our emails the agendas I like to see what the petitions are in fault because if I have to do any research on the bylaws I like to do that beforehand cuz showing up here I I don't beforehand to find no I can't but I like to know what they out even on on the website now that everything's going to be like this she can take that file and send it right to you you can have the whole thing which is which is but also sitting here I like to have some papers in front of me and look in the air and them out he he doesn't like my scrolling two different people want to look at different things different thought processes haven't jum back and forth on on there the plan the plan is to print out one set for the board and then have a set that's up on online as well it's going to take us a little bit we don't need everything in our pack but some things I think are necessary PL elevation drawings so if she sends you the whole packet and print out anything you on or I ask her to print it out for you I'll come in and use a town print that's fine if you tell me why you want to print out I'll print it out I I just don't want to keep printing out 20 packets of paper that we don't use I like the plop y elevation drawing sometimes come in handy a Butters list I like to see what's around the law just see what the ABS are maybe it's another house that's helpful not very necessary what I'd ultimately like to do is get you guys credentials to the office online thing because then you can sign on and see it anytime you want that's that would be awesome it's right there and available it's too you even if we create one just for CBA and everyone has the same credentials to sign into it or something but that would be then you can go in you can click through everything that she just put up there and it's all visible again this part of it it it's new for everyone here so we're we're kind of learning how remember number and that will just keep switching every year so that if somebody says oh yeah petition number at least we have it you know what you know what year to go look at not he petition 567 okay I'll be back I'm going to the basement all right yeah I'll see you in the week I'm heading to the basement okay so these petitions with variances special permits I think it'd be easier to group everything in one acceptance of a petition as opposed to multiple uh motions is that a state level thing though typically you're supposed to vote on each one independently because if you give this one but you don't want to give that one for some reason that's that's the reason it gets done um I don't I don't know if you want to say on three special permits let's vote y or n and then the problem is if somebody doesn't with one but the other you could be four to one on one five five nothing on another that's typically why they get separated out so that if there is something that goes it becomes a little complicated but if that's the way they want it done do that if we change the zoning around the lake to allow smaller setbacks you'll have half the problems M and in laws well in laws are done those are oh those are state legal oh fantastic we we can't regulate them at all anymore other than setbacks yeah that's cool now access apartment any sort of dwelling unit that is attached or detached from a house wow detached as well mhm just has to meet the setbacks kids were get after all this they just poof it's all we just cut it down to six meetings right there you can rent out the house and rent out the accessory for the new state law now the accessor is what 900 sare ft any yep 900 or under yeah so that bylaw with two dwelling units on a lot is done it's it's overridden by the by 4A now they it's they want more correct yeah yeah yeah I they not getting the response they wanted with the MBTA so that's that's what they did tou delightful it's just Jam people in yep it is like I said you don't you don't even have to own the house you can rent the house here and rent the dwelling unit separately there's no more occupancy requirements wow no more relative requirements I so you you can put a 900t build a in the backyard and make it a well you don't even have to make it a barn anymore you sell shs right you sell sheds yeah I know all right wow that's a way to get some cash money I mean get might get weird tiny houses how many sheds I can put on the circle within the circle the circle the only place you can regulate it now again let's say there's a setback issue you can regulate that if it's detached chances are that's going to become a variance because it's you created a new nonconformity if it's attached you can create a a new non-conformity but you can't create it that you'd still have to is you'd still have to Grant the variance at that point if the if it met the three rules that's that's the only place and height those are the only real restrictions all these variances that we did tonight I mean in the past we would we were yeah we were kind of like mhm you know we were all looking at each other like okay going to do it I know it's but it's ebbed in float like it you know people still F involv yeah so I mean it's it's a different but you know they come in and tell us like that's not really hardship it's just a lot of feelings we were racking our brains up in the fingers crossed for is yeah yeah right it's sometimes longer and then that becomes the argument whether or not okay all right just a quick update on the bylaw we're just about done wow now that we have to make some that's pretty impressive we got to rewrite that section rewrite that section now crazy we're pretty well Set uh we're going to send it to the planning board I think on the 20th of the month I think it's the latest either the 20th or 26th I think yeah somewhere there it's got to go to the planning board it's got to all it's going to come back here if everyone's approval you you read it you look at if you have questions you come back and we uh we go through all them but it's uh it's going to be going to the town special town meeting in the fall the same thing with the nbca be going that to that pretty well I think pretty on a fast track or the MBTA I mean it's the state rode it for us and now they issue with their own writings so I'm sure we're just at at this point it's going to depend on town meeting I mean we' got something we think abides by what the state requires now it's it's going to be up the town meeting to say yes or no and determine how funds get yeah allocated here or no longer the chance of it happening uh even if it passes it's going to take a while before could take a long time what are you talking someone can Implement anything on the MBTA it's a tough space to build on that extremely tough space to build you know we don't think going to happen it's as viable as it can be with almost not being viable yeah and this has been done by I think there's seven or eight other towns in the state have done the same thing they're doing can we just oppose it like Milton you can I don't care no money free money no money is free money it's all coming out mycket your state taxes go somewhere else cuz it's still to come out of your pocket it's just nothing going to come back if we have a solution then that's a solution to the problem yeah move a solution may be yeah so I mean it's better to live with the solution and still get the grants whatever you're going to get and to go ahead and fight them and cost you a ton of money and still be forced to do something so I mean I think we found the the right solution to it so we're going to have 40 R and the W folks home all that stuff and still 4 is never going to go away it's still no extra water that'll work out it's going to be it's going like Brook line Thor said you got plenty of water oh of course I did I got to tell you though that the fact that you guys have done the bylaws and you reviewed all that that was that's an undertaking like that's we know how how much of a mess that's been for long we've got it down so it's easy to read it's more sens you could still put another year in on that oh easy easy I mean you know we all had a lot of ideas on it and push back here and on it but uh just to get it going I mean now everything is in alphabetical a well we spent a week we spent a week just on that accessory apartment by that's a week we didn't need that's crazy yeah all right motion to adjourn just some happy news in case anyone has very my grandson is signed with the Cincinnati R wow fantastic yeah that's it's a dream that's [Music]