##VIDEO ID:jpoEc5x6NIM## [Music] then it's uh 7:00 we'll uh we'll call the meeting of the uh Halifax planning board of 7:00 in the Great Hall for Thursday's meeting November 7th 2024 at 7:00 p.m. uh just to let everyone know the planning board meeting is being recorded by area 58 and can be viewed on on YouTube uh okay what what we're going to do we're going to from our agenda we're going to start off with a uh with the discussion on the uh on the zoning overlay as required by law uh what I'm going to ask uh Mr hadada Town Administrator uh to give a quick presentation there's print outs in the back and also it'll appeal here on the uh on the screens to give some details on uh on what's involved and then we'll uh we'll go from there open it up for discussion mrad are we going to be able to see it at all you may want to open the public hearing Mr chair yeah I will okay this is a notice of public hearing the Halifax planning board will hold a public hearing on Thursday November 7th 2024 at 700 p.m. in the Great Hall at Halifax Town Hall 499 Plymouth Street Halifax Massachusetts 02338 the purpose of this hearing will be to review a proposed amendment to the town zoning bylaw chapter 167 D4 enumeration of districts and article 516 6 7-18 MBTA communities multifam overlay District otherwise known as M CM o the text comprising the proposed zoning bylaw and amendments may be inspected at the office of the town clerk Halifax Town Hall 499 Plymouth Street Halifax Mass um signed the planning board can I have a motion to open the hearing or motion to move open the hearing moved motion moved we have a motion in a second to open the hearing uh I'll ask for a roll call vote Brendan yes Amy yes myself Yes Rick yes passes unanimous 4 Z hey Mr Hadad very good thank you uh for the record Cody Hadad Town Administrator so I really just want to start uh and give a very brief overview of what this is what the requirement is and why we're here tonight uh as me as some familiar faces in the audience tonight um we had a public meeting on this back in October to go over more details that's really not the point of this tonight the point of this is uh per Mass General law the planning board is required to hold a public hearing for any proposed zoning changes um and then they can choose to either make a recommendation for or against that'll be shared with town meeting so this is that uh Massachusetts General Law chapter 48 Section 5 which explains the requirements of what we're doing here tonight with the planning board a public hearing um to hear the public um for the planning board and to um the planning board will choose to either make a recommendation for or against or they can choose to take no action at all and not provide any recommendation so um I just want to start off with th this is it this is what chapter 3A says for the NBTA zoning so there's a lot of um guidelines and information out there but the reality is it comes down to this is the law and the law is that um towns that have an MBTA station or an abing uh MBTA station are required to have a zoning district with a density of 15 units per acre um within a half a mile is what the law says and then it goes on to detail some of the funding that could be um at risk of if you don't choose to do that so all of the other information the 750 units that the requirement is um 40% within you know potentially up out of is all guidelines that the housing and livable communities developed uh but the law is actually quite clear and simple so what are we what are we proposing for a town meeting to consider um an overlay District that would allow multif family housing as of right within the district which I'll get to the map shortly uh no sight and a site plan review would be required for any projects within the overlay uh there would be a possibility for mixed use development on the first floor but would be required to have multi family housing on the other floors these are the dimensional standards so there' be a minimum lot size of 20,000 Square ft the maximum height of 2 and a half stories two spaces per unit uh the setbacks 30 ft in the front 20 ft on the side and rear uh there would have to be 10,000 square fet per dwelling unit maximum coverage of the building on the Lots 25% they'd have to keep 40% open space and then this is where we're talking about um you're you're really speaking of four Parcels so there is no um single family home Parcels included in this there's three of these Parcels which are on the southern more portion of the map are the current Twin Lakes condominium development and then the parcel that's the most North directly above the train station is owned by uh the Halifax Garden company and it's about 194 Acres total that we're speaking of so the biggest again the biggest parcel owned by uh Twin Lakes 109 Acres you have another parcel owned by Twin Lakes approximately 13 acres the third Twin Lakes parcel is 25 acres and then about 47 Acres uh 47 3/4 Acres owned by the Halifax Garden company so again I I think the really important thing here is is the state came down with a law that said Halifax is an NBTA community and they're requiring that multif family housing be zoned for as of right not not anything necessarily be built but be zoned um the zoning bylaw Review Committee was tasked with presenting options to the town the board of selectman is uh proposing this as an option the board of Selman hasn't come out and said that they recommend this but they're they in their in the best interest of the town they want to present something to the community for you all to choose and so that's why it's important December 16th is the town meeting and that's when you all choose as the town what you want whether to adopt this or to not adopt this um and that's again I don't want to get too much into the into the weeds I think it's better to just allow questions to come forward uh but that's that's a general synopsis of what we're looking at here tonight okay thank you uh what I'm going to do first is uh I'm going to ask if there's any questions uh from the members of the board and then I'm going to uh open it up to the public I'm going to ask uh again I don't know if some people came in later on but there is a signup sheet here a clipboard up front if if you want to uh make a statement ask a question uh there's a clipboard up here on the front front row I'm going to ask that uh that your uh questions or your opinions and your statements you know try to limit it to two or three three minutes so we can get everybody who wants to make a statement you know uh give them a chance and again respect other people's uh opinions as far as clapping or booing so why don't I uh open up to um members of the board first are there any questions or uh uh that any of the board members have I don't have any questions um should we does any I think we should just open up for questions yeah I think my uh I think any input I have is going to be based off of some of the questions that get asked by the general public so okay like to defer defer to that Rick no no questions pretty much what Brendon said to see what everybody has to say and what we can uh ref on that how we're going to me okay the uh only other thing is I I agree with uh uh Mr Hadad just just so let everybody knows we're not voting on this as as whether to implement the uh the uh MBTA uh requirement or the law this is just uh a recommendation that they ask of those people who've had attend certainly attended the the town meetings they asked for the recommendation of different boards so that's what what we are here to do tonight so uh U I'll grab the uh the list I'll start the list thank you very much hey the uh first person on here is uh um Mr Donley van Donley you just uh state your name and your address please sure for the rec good drive couple of questions I have is one second yes um Cody he's got it there thank you hi um B 2011 cranberry Drive uh just wanted to State first that I'm going to be uh you loging hard against this uh zoning act because because I think it uh was put down for the governor is take it or else and again don't appreciate that and I don't appreciate if hopefully if our board support something where we're being told what to do I think the election just confirmed Nationwide that we don't like to be told what to do so that might be a little bit of a primer for what you might want to take a look at going forward and then I would start to say too on some of this plan here there's a comment that says parking surface one or more parking spaces without a built structure above the space so we saying here that there will be no uh parking garages that'll be allowed down on that site in other words so they can have more for residential units if they go ahead and have a two and a half story parking garage on that site that's the first question I have for you okay let me see if I can find out an answer for you Mr had you get we have another microphone up here if you'd like C can you just point me to where you're referring to Sure uh item number six on page back of page one it says parking surface one or more parking spaces without a built structure above the space a solar panel designed to be installed above the surface parking space does not count as a built structure for the purpose of this definition so the question is can they build themselves a five 2 and a half story Li parking garage where they can go ahead and put the cars in that space and put more residential units in there uh no this just defines this is defining a parking space so it's a a space built without a structure above the space and a a solar panel designed to be installed on the subsurface does not count as a build structure so you could have you could have solar above it it says right here though it says a solar panel designed to be installed above the surface does not count okay so so so what they're saying is either you can have a a parking area with covered parking with a solar panels on top of it right so if you're going to do anything here you should out you know Outlaw it in here in thep that any kind of a highrise parking type garage over that two and a half stor should not be allowed on the prise now this is just trying to make this better to go to town but again yeah that wouldn't be allowable if it's not specifically allowable within this that that wouldn't be allowed it's ambiguous say that right but it would have to specifically allow it would have to specifically allow it within the bylaw and it doesn't saying they could do it no I'm saying they could not because nothing specifically allows it they could do parking spaces with solar like a solar canopy above it it does seem very ambiguous it's it's basically saying either you can put a covered pocket over that unit okay or the solar it's not clarified whether you can do multi two two and half story because that's the height says with it defines a parking space as without a structure so they can't put a structure for parking they're going to have to put a structure for solar they did that there'll be a structure and that's why it goes on to Define that solar just saying you got to clarify that uh it's just so that that doesn't happen because now you're getting more units um you know who wants to win that's what it says so we just want to clarify that you you're not going to put more parking a requ for two per unit and then you go ahe use the extra money to build more more facilities so that's question one uh just to point that out the other questions that I got for you here too is about all this mixed use residential development we're building a little city down here and the reason for that is the only way they're going to pay for that is they got to have all that commercial space in there otherwise this is not this is not going to be attractive in you build unless they can put all of this self sustaining community in down the rather than use wmart but we all do right so the idea of having that what does that got to do with multi family can anyone explain to me that you're not housing anybody in the restaurant right and not only that but you're going to put our other people down the restaurants and stuff out of business if you're going to put this in here too not right for the people who been paying taxes here for years so you need to take a look at that one let me see if I can find out an answer about that M Mr Cody does it sure so this is mixed use development is allowed per the uh chapter 3A so when the zoning bylaw Review Committee meant to uh make a recommendation of what they felt was best the reason they included this was that they thought it would be a good idea for the community New Growth is down in the community um we don't have a lot of Revenue coming in so it could be an opportunity to potentially bring in some revenue and promote small businesses revenue for who for the town of Halifax yeah well if if you're going to get the tax Pace on that right this whole thing becomes unfeasible if all this multi-use isn't done it talks about ability to putting commercial down there too doesn't say what type of commercial right any of this can go down what's the water usage you're going to put in there what's all of this right so the idea is is you've opened this up that we're building they're able to build a multif family complex just like a little city and whatever water whatever electricity is generated down there that's all going to be on on uh on the town they they're going to pay for everything on that site everyone gets that but the problem you're going to have is is all of the all of the kids or whatever that come into that building you're going to go to the town Mass school over you're going to put the otherly communities in trouble because where is that extra you know 750 to 200 2,000 kids going to go they're going to go here the state isn't paying for that everyone in this room is going to pay for that okay it's that's to the board recommendations you need to consider what you're telling the people in the elderly Park and the other people in the communities here that you're all behind that that you're behind that you're going to go after this you're recommending that we increase the taxes in the town but that's what's coming there's no way around it right you can't right now we got problems in the school already whether it be 6 million in debt or something like that the Silver Lake we got people that can't pay their taxes in other areas and we're going to go back to them mall and say Here's your override and we don't want to sneak it through you want to be up front with them and tell them that this is the cost of this when you do it if they decide to vote for it's up to them but I hope they join me in just shutting it down if the governor came to us on all of this and said you know what what would you guys like to do what can you do okay the same thing that happened on Election the other day they told us what we wanted to do and we all said don't go home right so now that hopefully the governor is seeing what's happening here because Massachusetts is climbing up the ladder and it ain't going to be long when this keeps happening here that other people are going to get voted out because they don't understand what the citizens are saying this is our town we can't go to these people and tell them that hey we're going to mix use commercial now we don't even know the impact of that and you don't even know what commercial any commercial can go in there you've approved it already so they can put it on that site Mr if I could if I could ask the for some clarification for myself if it still if this is voted one way yes or the or no it still has to go through the whole permit process through uh through site plan review through conservation through border health and can conditions and limitations be be put on this you know to uh exclude or include different things during the permit proc process so it would still go through a site plan review process it you can't require a special permit or action before the zoning board of appeals to the point of um utilities and things of that nature so National Grid provides the electricity so that's not on the town in Hala um as far as water this does not none of this this is zoning overlay so it doesn't exempt any sort of other permitting they would still have to get an interconnection permit through the water department and if there were a case where then they Mr Don could you let them finish please if there isn't if there were uh not enough volume or they couldn't uh uh they couldn't approve the application then they can't approve the application that that's part of this law is that you can't you can't build a development if you can't support it with water and same with you know sewer infrastructure they'd have to be able to build rather than use town so that and so the question is here they're removing a lot of the Town restrictions by this zoning so they can get this through yes they are and all this and all this commercial that's going to go on here okay it's the only way they can build these developments because they're not going to be able to fund it with just the rent on those APS and the biggest issue for the town is to understand that what's coming to you for fire police and schools is going to go through the roof and they're not going to tell you that here okay they're going to tell you that when you say hey we need a school override and guess what we don't have a choice now because all of the kids that we here and we're going to go back ask governor and we should at that point tell her to stay okay because that's what she's telling us right now it ain't right it's not it's tyranny right and the people just said this the other day so please heed the message of what the country sent to the leadership and hopefully very shortly there won't be a need for these apartment buildings in the state okay and that should hopefully begin immediately so I would re I would ask the board of selectman to reject this okay just like many other towns that are waken up around the area and had enough okay we need to do this this is only the beginning the governor is not going to stop anything she wants to get through she's going to stick it through here and she's pissed off everybody right now from here to the tip of of the Hampshire and she did it in a very underhanded way so I'm just wanted to say that now I got my two cents out I'll be out there lobbying and voting against this so a lot of our people in the town can afford to live here I don't have a problem with the taxes I can pay them but it ain't fair to the people who can't right and if we ever did something something we should look and try to help our own people in the town who can't pay the taxes come up with something for that to the people that need it I'm willing to support something like that for our own people in our town but I'm not willing to support that for something here with stron so that's it for me thank you sir all right the uh next uh person on the list here is Mr David massio Mr massio if you just give your name and address please for the record uh David masio 10 out uh so I I don't know if everybody here attended the uh the October meeting but I want to clarify some things so the day understand one of the things I was under the impression of was that this was going to be for U subsidized housing or government assisted housing so this isn't these houses are going to be sold at a premium to you know 500,000 plus dollars if I'm if I'm correct in that that ballpark right I believe that they're all rental it it would be market rate so market rate rental um but one thing to note and I should have mentioned this earlier is initially in the bylaw that was presented at that meeting that you mentioned uh there was a 10% affordability requirement so 10% of the units were going to have to be affordable in perpetuity the board of Selectmen uh took the feedback that they got from that meeting and removed that portion of the bylaw so it is straight just market rate housing at this point okay thank but to be clear it's all rental housing you can't just say housing it doesn't have to be rental it's multif family it could be rental it could be Condominiums it could be any other multif family usually they're rental in in in this okay so then some of the other things that were brought up were what we were going to lose uh as far as the uh the grants go one of the grants that that stood out the most for me and and I and I'm asking this for knowledge because I don't know we just recently paid 106 and 58 I I you were expecting this why are we asking for a $1 million Grant who paid for the repairs and the pavement that we currently had done on 106 and 5 well I can find out what would lose if if we if we don't commit this but I mean let's stay on topic David we're talking about the housing no this is actually part of it this is actually part of it my point let me please let me talk sure so uh a few a few points on that the design and construction of a project like that is several years out even if you appli today and you got the grant let's say next year um best case scenario designed through mot and using you know part of their team you're talk another five years probably for design then maybe another five or so years for construction so we try to plan proactively uh and look at these things so it's on the radar as far as who paid for it uh it was a combination of Appropriations and chapter 90 funding through the state okay because the state roads State repairs so that that was my question was so we paid for some of that repair we we did so we get chapter 90 funding appropriated through the state for for care of our roads basically and it was partially funded through that and partially funded through uh and I understand the part that it is a a grant that we're looking to get to update the intersection the problem with the intersection is is the traffic so that being said we add housing that intersection I don't care how you redesign it isn't going to get any better okay we're going to have more traffic more people and this is the point that some of us are trying to make because we were trying to keep it small and I'm not here to argue argue or or or cause a fuss it's merely that the point that everybody's trying to make that that people are upset with is the fact that we are our small town morah hey isn't sitting here explaining to us what we need we don't need her to tell us what we need we need the boards planning zoning select boards to tell the state the government hey we can't we can't take this flow it's too much so I'm sorry to take up time I knew what some of these answers were I just some people weren't here for that October meeting so thank you for thank you thank you Mr hey uh the next person on the list is uh Damen I can't read the last name thank you your name and address please for the record my name is Damian fasio and I represent the interest of cranland airport in disclosure I'm not a Halifax resident but I represent the interest of cranland and I think in this case the interest of the citizens of Halifax which are identical now cran airport is a is an abutter to the uh proposed 4A and embedded 40b project that uh that you're talking about tonight and it's located on the approaching departure end of grand lands runways it's right underneath it now there are height restrictions there are reflective restrictions imposed by the FAA on any structures that get installed in the way in the approach Paths of airports now cranland airport is a privately owned public use airport we've been there since the late 50s and we've accepted Federal and State dollars uh to maintain and and and and keep the airport going now cranland is a part of the in infrastructure of the United States that's what the federal government and the state government considers that's why it's there's certain obligations that we take on when we take federal and state money to keep the airport going now that was just a long- winded way of saying cranland isn't going anywhere it can't go anywhere it has to be an airport since we've accepted federal funds and state funds now you know and we all know that if you put a large Housing Development on the approach and departure end of that airport it's going to cause problems there will be complaints from residents neighbors it's just going to it's another factor that needs to be considered when you guys uh approve or deny uh a project of that size and uh it just has to be like I said it has to be considered and there are going to be restrictions I don't know if they've looked into it like I said there's going to be height and reflective uh considerations when you install solar panels in buildings so uh if anybody needs any uh consultation as far as when they it comes around time to uh re you know Zone and see what you can and can't do um you have to check into the uh the state the uh Federal uh guidelines on what can be installed on approaching departure ends of uh airports so that's just my two cents worth I wish uh you guys well I know these are never popular we're going through the same fight in our town uh with 40 BS that seem to be infiltrating and taking over and there is good news though times change as the gentle the first gentleman to speak and mor Haley's you know rain you know might be numbered and the city the town of Milton is taking on this exact fight right now and they're spending money on it and I don't know what their status is but it might be worth looking into what they're doing uh because them and a few other towns are in the middle of this EX act fight amen thanks for your time I appreciate you uh let me speak thank you very much all right all right I that those are all the names on the list if anybody else would like to speak please raise your hand then I'll call on you yes sir in the black your name and address please my name is Alan and I reside at 408 twinl drive and I just want to urge the board to recommend against this initiative in the town for a number of reasons the first is there's no housing crisis it's a man-made crisis in this state it's a political crisis please let him speak this state is losing 1,400 people a month who can no longer afford to live in this state or don't like the politics or just want to be worn the largest demographic of property owners in this country are the Baby Boomers and we're dying who's going to get that housing we in this position because we've decided to be a sanctuary state with the current upcoming politics that's going away so I urge the board to recommend against adopting this initiative thank thank you sir yes sir please come up and state your name and address for the record uh Andy pongratz 64 Palmer Mill uh the gentleman for me was correct um 74 days till the new Administration takes effect up until then there's a mad surge going on in our Southern on both of our borders mad surge everyone on the planet is trying to get here before the administration takes effect and then they stop all of this madness but up until then it's it's game on they're all coming to this country and most of the states are sane and they have sane policies regarding illegal immigrants this state decides it's a good idea to say we're not going to uphold federal law and we're going to allow them to come here we're going to she's doubling down and we are remaining a sanctuary state which means they're all going to come here they're all going to come here so you know there's mgl laws and and and restrictions that's all going to go out the window Massachusetts is in a state of emergency which gives the governor extra power to change anything whenever she wants so she's going to see a need because all these people are coming here and we are a one I believe one in the country right to housing state so we are mandated by law to put a put a roof over these people's heads so there you go there's the equation we can't build our way out of this problem and she's just making it worse so amen thank you yes sir in the back uh Tom Pratt T Arrowhead path um I am a member of the board of Selectmen but I'm speaking here tonight personally um so i' just like to make it pretty clear that you know at the NBTA zoning law that we hosted in October a lot of The Angst fell on that side of the room Board of Selectmen the representative from orcc the lawyer the Town Administrator and I think it is probably more important to direct it to representative Brady and latra um who put this in front of us via morah um they were the messenger the rest of us are left to pick up the pieces um I think it's important also to note as Cody did that our job as the board of selectman in my opinion was to put it in front of the Town vote it wasn't to recommend it which we have not done we haven't taken any stance on it it was incumbent upon us to put it in front of the town at the December meeting we fulfilled that obligation my vote as a board of selected member and a member of this town will be to vote no I would ask the planning board to consider the whole picture it's important to get it to the town as a representative vote it is not incumbent upon you as a board to recommend it because it was asked of you to do so that's right okay thank you [Applause] Mr actually U Mr Hadad if I'm not correct it it's not that they we were asked to do it it's it's mandated by law that we have a public hearing yeah so chapter 4A Section 5 for any zoning changes not just the NBTA but any zoning changes uh that were to come before the town the it's supposed to the planning board is supposed to have a public hearing and you can um render a report is what the state calls it to town meeting and typically within that report you would say we recommend that the town adopt these zoning changes this is why and or no as a planning War we do not recommend the town adopt this and here's why or your third option is to take no action at all and then when you get to town meeting the moderator will likely say you know did the planning board hold a public hearing yes what was the planning board's recommendation the planning board didn't didn't make a recommendation okay we have thank you sir could somebody else any other questions raise your hand and we'll call on you uh you've already yes sir go ahead yeah just wanted a couple things mention gentlem back here but we got the select here at all of what's going on here right and make a recommendation to the town the finance committee does it all the time we don't recommend this we recommend this why can't the people that we put in here to elect for us take a stand all right and say we don't recommend it at the town meeting but yet we're going to let this F they will they plan to the board of selectman will be making a recommendation on whether to recommend it or not vote why is it now so the people know understand where we stand well they're going to make it prior to you voting at town meeting yeah 5 minutes prior so the town does doesn't know what's going at the planning board meeting here tonight they should have some way to get this out us ahead of the meeting so that they're making a stand of what are they recommend this or they don't right I mean this is leadership 10one either step up to the plate or get the hell out of the job just say you want it you don't right I mean that's pretty simple stuff military guy that's number one I'm all in buddy I got you what and I meant that respectfully not to um I will I would like to point out though that you do have at least one selectman that did show up and stood up and and and declared what his vote was so didn't get the other answers but I got his well let's at least acknowledge that what you just said at least one of one of them were here and I appreciated that and I think I called that out when he did I asked him can we get a hold of marketing and can't we get legal to check our other options I haven't heard anyone looking at that right just the idea that we but I before that town meeting there should something go out that say you're going to town meeting the board of selectman does not recommend it but it's out there for you to consider okay that kind of deal and the second thing we talked about the uh the laws right about we got to we're basically not meeting with the the law of massachus if we do this right she broke the damn law letting illegals in here against the federal government okay now we're around here let's break it here right she doesn't care about the law she's doing it anyway so I mean the Supreme Court or whatever on this and then we got a train station oh by the way you know 10 years after it's open now we're going to lock something on to you after it's already take it back if you're going to do that you know so anyway that's it thank you sir there's a woman in the back that's had her hand up quite a bit somebody else in the in the back you've had your you've had your hand up ma'am Deb Deb yeah thanks yep your name and address please Deborah pasali N9 oanf alax um and I think most of us here and most of us in the town just do not want this we feel that our our resources cannot sustain this also um from living on the pond where we have the state boat ramp already people um have come and overrun the state boat ramp ramp where one day there was a boat fire and there were cars and trailers parked all along Route 58 the um Rescue Team could not even get in to help with the the boat fire eventually they did but um it was really extremely difficult um the other day I'm on the pond and it's overrun with jet skis I know that's a separate issue but I believe you need to look at the safety of a town we have two great bodies of water that are recreational fully recreational that people have found out you know that that it's recreational so it's growing and the other day I witnessed a plane landing on the water and the jet skis there were five or six of them out there railing all around the plane it was difficult for them to take off and um I think we're just going to have more of that I think you need to realize that we're going to have a lot more that if this goes through and we have more housing and and it's just open just like um I'm sorry open um like ridiculously like overrun um also the fourth a beach has had a problem where it was it's supposed to be residents only and that had been over run and I think we're going to have problems with that where they people have come left trash and dirty diapers and just um started some problems with the residents and the parking there also was a problem they were overrun with parking there where they they should have been and um and also you know we're going to have to have more First Responders um water issues um we we live on practically Wetlands we're we're surrounded by wet lands that can't sustain this building and most of us feel like you should just stand by us and just say no just no just it just can't happen here and we even go into Walmart and there's like you know empty shelves empty food on the shelves so it's just a lot to consider and we just hope you stand behind us I know there are other towns and I have read all the statistics that there are other towns that they had just said no that the the um board and the Selectmen the towns the Mayors whatever have stood up to this law and have said no and we just hope you do that for us okay thank you [Applause] Karen favis 66 C Bosworth Road um I just want to say I'm against this as well it's yeah put it on the other way and then Flip Flip the whole stand around flip the whole stand around we'll do that that works just I'll reach in um where's our designated microphone holder go ahead I'm against this and I hope that you'll support the the citizens of um the town residents here and the taxpayers I also want to say that Middleboro and Norton also just recently voted this down they said no uh Milton as we know is is already in a fight and I think there was one or two other people that were considering saying no as well so we're not alone if we say no um um I also want to mention that if we have the a portion of these 195 Acres reserved for this um MBTA it doesn't anyone that has a single family home now in that District they could sell their home and a builder could come in and scoop that up and build these units that means their neighbors on both sides are going to have to you know sit there with what they thought when they bought their homes was residential single family homes and now you see it all over you see it right here in hansing that anytime there's a property they break it down they get rid of that property and now you have multi-units that's not what Halifax was that's not why I bought in Halifax and you know again people are Al all already saying that the school system and our Public Services it's all affected our our water our water Supply as well so I would just like to say please support us and say no thank you Mr chair Mr chair okay if there's nobody else just a point of clarification just a point of clarification what's being proposed there are no single family Parcels being proposed to have this overlay District applied so it it there there are no current single family homes If This Were passed that could be then be demolished and a multif family housing be Dev uh developed it's it's four Parcels three of them are Twin Lakes which is multif family Condominiums now and one is a vacant parcel which is that Garden company okay thank you sir yes ma'am should I touch this Jerry Presby I live on ala Road what guarantee do we have that once these zoning changes are in place that other areas that are just outside of that overlay are changed so can you guarantee that if this is approved which I am totally against that people outside of that area couldn't request zoning changes I'll ask Mr Hadad but would still any any change in or in addition to an old would still have to go in front of town meeting and follow a process yeah with the current law um zoning changes have to go before town meeting just like this is coming before town meeting if it if it doesn't pass it doesn't pass I I mean I can't guarantee the law doesn't change that's I can't guarantee you that and Ju Just a point B if you don't mind I make and and Mr Pratt mentioned this I do not represent the state of Massachusetts I represent the town of Halifax I work for the town I'm the Town Administrator for the town of Halifax I'm impartial in these things my job is to make sure that the facts that the residents in the community have the facts and can make informed decisions that is all so I I think I've been getting a lot of heat on some of these things um I'm impartial it doesn't matter either way I follow through what what's best for the town and how the town votes and my job is to make sure you have the information so that that's all I'm here for tonight I just want to make sure that's clear the other question I have is regarding the garden lands is that all wet lands or is that something that could be sold be felt on how much of that is Wetlands was it's about 80 to 85% wetlands and there's some Upland that could potentially be developed it's sporadic in in spots uh but it's there is some upin that could be developed so then no nothing can be developed on the wetlands only the Uplands on on the on the Rose Garden unless some work is done and they can get it to perk well that's it so once you get these big multi-million dollar developers in there right yep they can do whatever basically do whatever they want it's a it's a bad bad situation it's a bad mandate and whether we get lawyers involved or try to have a group of towns involved to fight this I think that's the only way that we can keep our small town field where we have a somewhat handle on what we can do and throwing out taking away grants from us if we don't comply as a bunch of baloney and the and the fact that we would end up paying H you know tens of millions of dollars more for a little lousy Grant it's not worth it and I'm totally against it thankk you all right I'm going to uh ask the uh board members uh I'm going to start with Mr uh with Mr Brennan and uh if you'd like to address some of the uh questions or comments that were made at we got one more from the audience there if we want to G yeah I'm sorry have to say one more uh actually what I wanted to do and hopefully I'm speaking up loud enough I want to make clear to the the residents that you guys are just doing your due diligence along with all the other boards okay that that's the decision it's up to us as a town to make the final vote what does aggravate me up until just a few seconds ago was you're impartial you work for the town of Halifax for us you could care either way that doesn't make me feel warm one so so if you don't Cody do you mind so if I if I could Dave and and I understand where you're going with that um the way I interpreted that was that it is his job as an as an as an employee of the town to deliver the information in an unbiased and impartial way so that we can make our own decision and not persuade us in a specific purpose the thing that sucks for him is he's the messenger da please so he's he's the messenger here right and when when it comes to something especially on a Town level with with residents that are as passionate about our town as we are somebody's got to stand in front of the fireing line and I think that you know to that point I do understand because I did when he said that I kind of hi that too I was like what do you mean you're impartial because everybody in here is not but I obviously as he spoke I took it as he's impartial for the delivery of the information but not necessarily on his opinion on it but that's how I received it am I am I accurate to hear that not and again not to argue with you Dave at all my apolog my apologies for the attack however I live here right these people live here we don't want to hear that you're caring for our to the administrator for our to right I I I don't vote though my job is to provide the information so you can make an informed decision at town meeting that that is all so information that you're privy to and all the information brings you to the speculation of whether we can or canot do this so everybody in this room knows we can but it's my job to provide the information and that's exactly what I am doing and then the town in the town at town meeting makes the decision however whichever way you want to go so I I did have a question I I've reserved my my initial questions for the end because I wanted to hear what everybody had to say and and and thought of so bear with me for a moment please um it's been a practice of mine throughout my life and in business that I try to take on uh complic situations and think of them simply right and one of the things that served me well um on both ends is if something if the upside outweighs the downside you do it and if the downside outweighs the upside you just don't do it so my question in an effort to get as much information to the public as possible is I think we're all very aware of what the downside is to this and I think one of the ways that we may be able to really solidify the knowledge and the information to the voters and to the public is if we could in some way say hypothetically speaking in an unbiased manner what are the top three pros to this like in the best interest of this town because if the UPS I understand I understand but what I'm saying just from a hypothetical situation what would a couple of upsides to this project be that could possibly or actually not even that could possibly outweigh the downsides because I think we all know the answer but just for the sake of my own curiosity and not that I'm putting it on you but because you are the hold you are the keyholder here of the information what is a potential upside to this that we could even consider because I'm not seeing one and I don't think anybody in this room is seeing one and as far as I'm concerned I want to be careful here um you'd be surprised how liable I get so and our attorney would attest that um I think that I think that the foundation of this country was built on when you tell us or Els we'll pick or Els no matter what it is and so for me what I'm trying to say is is as soon as somebody says or Els I'm locked and loaded and ready for or Els but I would like to as a as a elected member of this town at least give a chance to be able to say is there an upside and what would it possibly be without the bias side to it is there any upside points to this that we can possibly grab at before we destroy it um Mr I think you know it's a very good question uh I think it's one that is certainly probably you could probably get a better answer from the individuals who implemented this the only you know the only reason that the board of selectman has put this forward is to comply with the law I don't think that they have um in any meeting same with the zoning bylaw Review Committee have stated specific um positives from this rather that it is to comply with the law got it so so that right there and an answer and I appreciate your honesty and it's not that you're in the firing squad right um nobody's got anything against we know that so here's here's here's what I would say and I know we're probably going to move to some kind of recommendation or whatever that's going to be tonight but I think that um that alone being the answer of well we're just going to comply when the big bad wolf Huffs and puffs I don't think is enough of an upside for us to overturn all of the downsides and so I think that that's where at least I'm going to stand um and I'll leave it at that so thank you that was really the only question that I had you got one more Amy uh do you have anything you'd like to add or ask or comment on please oh well I have a lot so okay go for it I would love to hear from you guys first because I've I've been speaking about this for a long time I'm think I'm pretty sure everybody in this room knows how I feel about it rick uh not much in defense of the selectman what I see this overlay they came up with because originally from what I understood from this it was a it was a half mile radius from a train station which opens up you know a lot of like somebody mentioned tearing down houses and putting up so opens you know it's a lot more potential for something to happen the district they came up up with like you said is like 85% wet and they use twin legs as part of it which is a plus you know it's it was kind of a bonus the state would go for that so in other words just kind of getting them off the hook and pro you know you provide them with a piece of property that really you can't do a heck of a lot with I'm so sure something it'd be nice to know exactly what could be done with it you know what you know what can be built here and there we got uping here here's this access here um you know you can look at the map and get a rough idea but you said it's bits and pieces so uh something can be done with it but I think they did a good job of getting the state to go with this overlay District uh just to like you said they had to give it they had to give the state something so like you said in their defense you know that's it doesn't say that we have to go for it and one thing you're not all Amy uh do go ahead why don't you go next please oh I'd love you to go first uh I I have to agree I don't see a lot of upside on this uh uh I really don't uh the other thing is like we out do you mind if I do you mind if I speak I'm sorry thanks uh bottom line we're here because we have to be you know we are uh it does have to come to the to town meeting it's certainly uh the town meeting it's going to be up to vote vote on this you know from the town's people uh and again uh we're only presenting the facts as as as they given to us you know and we have our own decisions to make and that'll be made on on the December town meeting as uh Mr Hadad said but uh uh I I I'm having a tough time even like Brendan said even coming up with a an upside on this other than yes we have to comply with with the the state mandate well we have to present it we have to present it and and again uh that's that's where that's where I am on it how about now Amy you all set I am okay let's do it I see huge holes in this um zoning bylaw that is here number one the chart's not in here number two it doesn't say anything about conservation it doesn't say anything about wetlands zero I also will alert you that in May at the annual town meeting there is going to be a slew of other zoning bylaw changes and one of them is 167 I'm sorry yeah 16728 which is site plan review and um I haven't seen all of those because even though I am a member of the uh planning board and had an open seat on the zoning bylaw Review Committee our um current board before the election in May of 2024 sorry our previous board before May of 2024 when Tom Pratt was elected removed me from that and there is zero planning board members on it they took it from nine members down to five and honestly it saved me a lot of time because I wouldn't have been for doing what they did to a zoning bylaws and then I will also state that this current article that's right here it doesn't does it says site plan well you guys if you vote for this in December say you said yes site plan's going to change in May what's that site plan going to be also the state mandate I I am not somebody who will ever say yes to a mandate this is absolutely against everybody's property rights you bought in a town that already has a master plan it's called your zoning bylaws and the charts the charts that say what you need for Frontage what you need for setbacks in the whole nine yards it protects you it's there for a reason some of you mentioned traffic some of you mentioned water well we already have water bands we already have major traffic problems we already have people in tax default we're seeing foreclosures come on the market left and right um we've sold double to Triple the amount of properties in the town of Halifax and all the suburbs outside of the metropolitan areas in the last several years and and it's a skyrocketing problem of people leaving leaving the state there is not a crisis it is all in the metropolitan areas where all these vacancies and there's been over a Year's worth of inventories in all the metropolitan areas throughout this time so you're being propagandized there is absolutely nothing that you you can do there is people being put into the point that are illegal immigrants and they're you're paying their rent so um 100% against this I'm also going to point out the fact that the senior over district is in the uh mon ponet Watershed which was not information that ever got out because our conservation didn't do any Wetlands flagging they didn't make sure that the turtles were actually out of the area they didn't do a veral pool study that was put into uh the registry of deeds in January of 2024 and it was never followed through because you need a year to do that study so we already see that uh the septic system for the senior overlay District was given a variant to be closer to the water table I've also will point out that our town has not been educating on the other side they've been basically the zoning bylaw Review Committee was sat down with ocpc which is Old Colony planning committee and different people from the state that are pushing this so they get paid to push this and that's who they wrote bylaws about okay with and um that I find appor because when you buy your property and your deed that's all there and then your zoning bylaws that's going to be the next thing I'm going to hit your zoning bylaws usually have to have a two-thirds majority in order to change them this is a 51% which is a direct hit on everybody in this town 51% to change your zoning bylaws that means that anything can happen next to you and then Jerry you said something about um what could happen around you even though it's an overlay District if you put 530 to 750 units there you're going to have a ton of traffic I'm going to talk about widening roads it's going to change your entire area entire please sir let let her finish thank you I'm okay with her I'm saying that go ahead that is very true and then the the other thing about not being able to build it so I've been educating myself and around um with the different attorneys that are doing a pro bono class action suit I have us um on there as a Citizens joining with that we could join that I've I've given the option to to um the leaders to actually look at the forums that they give and talk to these people of course they haven't seen that side I made that point to a selectman the other day at um voting day on uh November 5th and um you know he's like oh I listen to everybody really uh I don't think you listen to me and I think he removed me from the zoning bylaw Review Committee which is how do you do that I had an open seat how do you do that town clerk stand open seat that's very wrong and um I'm okay with it though like they're making their choices but um that area being zoned and outwardly stating out loud that oh they're not going to be able to build in there because there's too much Wetlands opens cart launch for a very big issue you cannot Zone an area and have it not be done that's that that doesn't that does not that does not work and I mean there's so many problems with this we should be looking into saying absolutely no we should be joining in h huge numbers the um class action suit um even further um I can help out with any of that if you want I can have um the attorney come down here and actually tell you why they all got involved there's a team because their Town took it and now they're trying to get out of it and they have been reaching around the entire State and getting more and more people joining raob is going to be against this um Marshfields against this I don't have the numbers on all the towns that are against this but there is a large amount it's over 50% of the actual um towns that are on the list that are actually saying no Hansen being one of them right next door um climton won't even see this until next year and they're an adjacent community and they're going to be uh having to deal with that too Silver Lake can't take it Kingston's already overloaded Halifax has already have an issue so imagine this if you put 530 to 750 units in this town you're going to have oh and by the way there's no bedroom restrictions on any of that right okay right so we have water issues already now let's add all those let's add all those cars to the uh streets let's add all those kids to the elementary school oh wait you got to add on to that elementary school you got to add on um a Middle School a high school I mean where're I mean I'm up in the hundreds of millions of th dollars and we're worried about a million dollars in Grants maybe well let me tell you this too Mima which is Massachusetts emergency um thank you um very much management ageny did not have the grants funded this year so um think about that when we have a billion dollars going out for illegal immigrants I don't really think that you should worry about I mean we don't we're we're not funding things everybody knows that so don't worry about the grants it's a threat and plus that's your money going back to you with strings attached so absolutely know um I didn't know about cranland I'm extremely happy that you came here tonight and let us know that thank you very much um what else I think overall it's extremely important that you say no to this um I think that you better bring all your friends it it's a holiday party as I've stated somewhere I think some of you have seen that we're we're having a holiday party let's keep our town and um keep our property rights and I like to have water come out of my faucet I don't know about you meeting where we can Rec in favor of or not yes yes so before I do that though so we're GNA okay well like uh Mr Hadad had said we have options here as the planning board we can vote uh either not not to make a recommendation we can vote in favor of it or we can vote against it right so those are our three options so so before we do that I just want to have a um I just want us have one last Mark but I think it's more of just we're uh we're all on the same page here so it's more of just putting a little icing on the cake or maybe a cherry on top but I think um we all have have dealt with bullies in the past and Bullies um operate off of fear-mongering and threats and I think you'd be surprised on a global scale or on a more macro level when somebody says you have to do this and it came from this seal on the letter head or else you'd be surprised how many people will probably just fall in line well I think anybody that's dealt with a bully is also known that the only way to stop a bully is to plant your foot say enough is enough and swing back so I think Halifax I don't want to speak on behalf of our the rest of our board but I would like to push for us to have some kind of recommendation uh in favor of not supporting this okay at uh well at this point then I'll I'll ask the board uh for a motion to hold on we can't do that yet first of all there's the hearing still open there's some people that just raised their hand and then also will need to close the hearing and then do that so make sure I would say and yeah okay we'll take one last comment Mrs favor Karen fava 66 CL Bosworth Amy you had mentioned that it's changed to its 51% that's correct of the vote I have two questions how did it become a uh is it mandated that it be at a town meeting because just my thought personally is town meeting is only a few hours okay whereas it couldn't have been in a written election you know on a Saturday that more people could what town meeting are you going to that's only a couple hours well a lot of people work nights can't be there they can't vote is it you know is there an absentee no vote no no there is not so it's not fair that's why that's that's my point right is should have been who decided that it was going to be a town meeting is that what it says in the in Mr Hadad I I don't I don't think there is even a question to that I can answer her the town meeting is something that we always change bylaws at usually by fairness we would have it at the annual town meeting um and not have zoning bylaw changes around Christmas Hanukkah Festivus for the rest of us and you know add on to the choir concert and all this other stuff it's it's really not fair to the people because we have to remember that we're all here and we're supposed to represent the people of the Town we're not supposed to try and um cordin off so that we can get things by and I believe that's what happened last December and that's one of the things that I have an issue with and um I so that I would say is an issue um but could it have been we can have it as that and I'm not really quite sure how that process is but I'll certainly look into to that let me see if I can get you an answer hold on so I just conferred with our Town Council here attorney hom uh Massachusetts General Law requires any zoning changes go before town meeting that's we can't that's not us that's that's Mass General law that any zoning change has to go before town meeting the reason it's when it is is the state has that deadline of December 31st that the town has to have it implemented so that's why we're bringing it before the town prior to the end of the year so if the town were to approve it we would be in compliance we didn't do it at the annual town meeting because we had submitted for U basically the state's feedback on this bylaw and the state took about n a little over 90 days to get back to us on their feedback so we didn't want to bring a bylaw that potentially wasn't effective in accomplishing compliance with the state so that's why it's in December and that's it has to go to town meeting U by state law thank you all right I sure yes sir come up to the microphone please and your name and address I Trel extensively I get my schedule a month ahead of time I'm going to be out of town there be no means for me voting on this that's correct that's correct thank you Milton did put it to a referendum just to clarify Milton put it to a referendum after town meeting had passed it town meeting passed it it went to a referendum and then they voted to repeal it and that's why Milton in the situation they're in but their town meeting did actually pass it initially what town was that I'm sorry Milton and then when it went to the ballot through a referendum that's when the town as a whole voted to repeal it but uh but state law requires any zoning change go to town meeting is there a way sorry if I cut anybody off is there a way um to recommend to our Selectmen when designing the agenda for the town meeting that this goes first that's not actually allowed in our bylaws because of the fact that um this lovely lady Morin Rogers that you would have liked she was awesome she made it so that we have to pull from a hat so that nobody can stack the meeting to your point uh Mr Elliot there's only two articles we're anticipating so it yeah okay I just uh you know after being at the the town meeting since becoming a resident here um and trying to be involved sometimes it's 12:30 at night and sometimes the topics that have the most or are the most sensitive tend to fall towards the end and I'm not saying that's done on purpose it's probably by circum or by by um coincidence but um with this being such a hot button it was just a question to see if we might be able to move it up but at least there's only two and bring your friends as of now that you know there could be an article added the the selectman to vote on the warrant on the 19th but we anticipate too and like uh Miss troop said it it is uh our bylaw says it's a lottery system okay thank you okay uh what I'm going to do now is uh uh ask for a Voice vote to uh close the public hearing uh first I need a motion in a second is everybody else that they I have anything else to say I'll make a motion to close the hearing do I have a second no second I have a motion in the second I'll ask for Voice vote Brendan yes Amy yes myself Yes Rick yes okay uh now the pleasure of the board uh accept a motion uh on uh if if in fact we want to make a recommendation uh or uh or whatever the motion happens to be like again we have three options uh either uh not make a recommendation make a recommendation in favor or a make motion like so I I would be very thrilled to make a motion but can I add one more I'm going to add one more thing somebody brought up this mixed use development I think it was Van um with the retail there really isn't any guidelines on what and how and parking spots nothing there this is a very vague bylaw that would ve be very ambiguous very ambiguous well again if we if we vote or the at town meeting we vote no and it doesn't go through it would still Mr Hadad anything questions like that would have to go through the through the process for permitting and whatnot so in and of itself we can't make changes to it now or can we you can certainly recommend changes to it um if if you're going to I anticipate you're going to vote to not recommend this at town meeting if I'm reading this right and with that if you're not recommending it I'm not sure you would make a recommendation to change something if you're not recomend you know what I'm saying yeah I was just adding some more things that are issues with it and then the other thing is is um I didn't mention this because I have a lot to say about this I could talk about it for hours the um there are are other towns in this state that have H had this um law that they've decided to adopt it and um they have built on wetlands and they have recreated them in other towns so please be sure to know that there there this is not a good thing and is also an everchanging law like they can just promulgate it anytime they want so that okay so I will make a motion to um absolutely not recommend against yes absolutely not recommend the uh mcod multif family overa District so that we have complete clarification when we cast our vote can we just say for or against it'll be just there is a motion can I get a second so when I vote Yes I'm in favor of the motion that is yes in favor of against you see where I went there that's the way I see what you're saying you see what I'm saying okay okay when I say yes it's not in favor of okay it is in favor of her motion that she is not in favor that we are voting against okay see what I'm saying ex that's a good point thank you for that would so should I reord that yes re worded that for or against okay I I I would be uh making a motion that we are against thank you the NBTA community act to not recommend we we are saying not recommending the MB sorry thank you not recommending the MBTA communities act okay I have a motion on the floor to not recommend uh second is's a motion in a second again I'm going to ask for a Voice vote uh Brendan yes against I'm absolutely against it so yes I vote Yes I'm not recommending Rick no I'm not crazy about it either yes motion pass 4 Z thank you uh thank you very much we're going to continue with the with our regular planning board uh hearing thank you very no no no no you all have to stay if we have to be here you have to be here sorry to money the water there sorry sorry that was a good point in the affirmative it's like oh they all voted yes and it's like no no no we voted yes for the no it wasn't very clear I'm glad you yeah yeah guess I can re welcome okay our uh our first appointment is a continuation of uh 24 spr 2A ladies and gentlemen we're trying to finish the meeting could you take the conversations outside please thank you uh a continuation of the hearing 24 s-244 anold Vera site plan review application for map 73 lot 7A uh Plymouth Street o wrong one I understand Mr WEA has uh requested an extension uh y I'll make a motion to extend Arnold WEA 24 s-244 um for 30 days is it 30 days okay extended 30 days to December 9th 2024 when's our next meeting in December is it before or after the 9th I guess is right question Oh it's right here no fifth okay so it would include that next hearing or next two be cover okay there's a motion on the floor for a 30-day extension do I have a second second it's a motion in a second to uh allow Mr Vera site plan review application be extended for 30 days to date certain de December 9th December 9th yep uh all those in favor say I I I I motion passes your animous oh hey thanks bye Tom see you at home buddy is this just one of them what no he's my name we're in a fantasy football league I'm already knocked out was a Survivor League I lost in the first game because I picked the Patriots to lose and of course it's the only game they won my gods I don't here thanks just kidding all right our our next topic of uh is is on discussions for Autumn Lane cost to complete the scope of services estimated from pgb engineering has been submitted again I take it that they've contacted the uh different people the contractor and whatnot we gave them the name we recommended to we're pretty much out of this at this point I expected them to be here tonight but yeah if there's no I mean it's all um speculative but they've been pretty Adam if facilitated as best between so they they have what they need now and we took care of what we said we were going to do with the letter and all that stuff to them I didn't even have to send the letter because they reached out to Pat bran themselves oh cool and then they uh triani was on the email so everybody everybody talked to each other so cool okay okay looks good our next topic is we have uh code of conduct from the board of Selectmen from what I understand what selectman overlay this uh this code of Cl was recommended by the selectman to uh all of the boards all the employees in town uh understanding of course that I believe in the letter it states even though we were an elected board uh we we can still comply with a code of conduct uh as far as anybody have any questions comments or anything like that is this something that they're requesting us to sign off on like we approve it or yes that ad adopt it I think it can be um a little bit um inhibiting and and also dangerous if you wrote something on Facebook for instance that they didn't like that you now become liable for it and it could be yes so I would I would probably say that that's not really a good idea I think too in the same breath as far as a board goes I mean as far as Facebook and you making personal comments and opinions and voicing personal opinions that are that are not not speaking for the board yeah uh exactly is not included and would be wouldn't have anything to do with with a code of conduct it could get really hairy I mean we already know like you're supposed to follow the rules you're not you know all of that stuff that's already what we're here and what our code of ethics what the state does so I really just think that there's some things in here that like what I I you know personally Amy I'm I'm not seeing anything that actually isn't doesn't you know make sense and is logical and and gifts and favor and confidential information already within our code of ethics you it's already within our code of ethics and so it's just it's just adding another layer and you know like adding a law is like now you got to do this or that you know like let's just keep it simple stupid nobody's doing anything here we we might have discussions and arguments but that's actually what our job is our job up here is is not to always agree right and our job we might you know like we might um be passionate about some things and all of that and I don't think that it's um anything that should step over I I don't I don't think that we should be adopting laws like or no no one's prohibiting that it's just how you go about doing it you and and con and when I say you I mean all the members that are involved with it does it say here with the U compliance and enforcement I mean wouldn't you want to like look at this a little bit longer than tonight and decide whether you're not going to I mean this is a big long thing you might want to read it and ponder over it for a minute so why don't we put it off to the next meeting I know that you have it in our email but I'm just saying obviously he hasn't had a chance to read it yet so not in not in its entirety i i i skimmed over the uh the Bold points of articles basically to see if there was anything that stood out to me that it seemed like a pretty General code of conduct I think I think the same thing and what you were saying too right there at the bottom of page five the very last paragraph and you know penalties or remedies are provided by the by law not by the border of Select when they intervene conduct does not comply with the ethical standards and it references the code of ethics again I I think it's it's just basically common sense one of the things that I'd want to make sure and this actually by the way when I say this Bert this actually has absolutely nothing to do with you it's more for the future of the seat right but when it says the chair has the responsibility for intervening when actions of members appear to be in violation of code of ethics that alone kind of makes it like if um some random person has a problem with another person and they take it they make it personal and then in some way can maneuver through this that they can remove the per like it doesn't say it doesn't say anything it's not that it's not saying that they can remove of course not you're elected you know right right right but still any member on the board you does not have the right to shut up another member of the board it's so by signing this that allows that and that's not where does it say that somebody could say shut up to somebody and no no no no no no you you're not allowed to somebody did not continue to talk is what I was meaning no I meant I don't mean it like on a and and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way I don't mean it on like a petty level of like just a disagreement I mean it more like if I'm the chair and I don't like you and you say something and I go you know what I think you're in violation so I'm going to put some I'm going to drop the hammer on you and it's made personally like what are the what are the backout um safety nets there to allow somebody not to abuse the power power of the position is my question like that's literally the only thing I have a problem not even a problem with I just my big thing is is the or else thing thing of like okay so if something comes up and somebody says you can't do that I'm like okay and if I do what happens and here it just says the chair has the responsibility to intervening when it uh when actions of a member appear to be in violation that makes sense on the surface if you peel it back a little bit it's what if personalities get involved then who's is the rest of the board does the rest of the board come together and go listen this is not like an official Complaint thing this is between the two of you on a personal level or is that just kind of a broad spectrum that can be maneuvered I think it's a very broad spectrum it's just basically how we treat each other and treat everybody in on the different fls in the town hall I don't see it as any type of uh any vehicle to punish somebody no I get it I I I agree on this board I meant sorry I meant more like if somebody 10 years from now gets in and as the chair and says you know what I don't like I mean sometimes these elections and sometimes these boards get pretty heated as we've all seen right and so does this say that this is giving one person or another an ability to incite some kind of U consequence on another board member that's mentions nothing about that it's just naming a person points the finger like takes care of it whoes oh yeah so basically the way The Whole Town's being run right now everybody just doing this this makes it so it's not that it's just not really because it doesn't so when you're elected member of a board nobody has any authority over anyone else at all like we all have equal membership so that's this nobody can in in state law it actually States EX in state law it states that no member can tell tell somebody that they their times up or not allow them to speak or anything this is putting a couple of things in here that become ambiguous and that's the problem like the we already have state laws there's no use we shouldn't be putting another L referring to they're just talking about common decen one another well we already have that we have a code of ethics we have that's just the way it goes I just think that this is another layer of bureaucracy that we don't need so I I think maybe that I I this wrong not that I read it wrong but I think I kind of went through it with a little bit more of a um trying to find a hole which can be a problem because if you're looking for a hole you can usually find one cuz if I'm rereading this from a different angle it's more of if there's something that needs to be done or um uh notification that somebody's in violation it's going to fall upon the chair to deliver that news not that the chair has the power to in some way incite a penalty what do you think but it's he saying here if the chair is in violation one of the members can intervene right right and then if it comes right down that's why I saying as I you know if there'd be in real jerks the selectman can intervene right which which really they can't because they don't they can't so that there's a whole this that's like some of the reason why I think that this is a little bit over the top and I just think the idea and the sentiment might be good but the overall like duplication of things and I don't know I mean it's just it's just sort of silly I I think we all have had our arguments and then we all have our days that we're okay and still care and I don't think and I think that the main job of our board is to do the job for you know how we see it see it is through the Bas so actually I agree with uh Amy that I think there is an awful lot to digest in this and maybe we should uh put it off until our next meeting to go through it and digest it it you know here his six pages ready go I also think I also think when I think about it right it's like yeah to Amy's point we do have already a code of ethics that we sign when we get sworn in right um I I can also see um just in my short time here um I've already had to almost break up a fight in the meeting between the chairman of the board and a resident obviously before before you right um and sometimes things get heated so I can see why the selectman would say all right you have have one on the state level now we're going to have one on the town level that basically is the same thing but everybody needs to start acting like don't forget you're an elected official and we need to be representing the town and not threatening to fight somebody in the parking lot I agree so I think I don't remember that oh yeah and I that person will remain nameless for the sake of liability but it was uh the chairman of this board yeah on my first year and it was uh was I you want to meet in the pocking lot and it was like guys I oh I vaguely remember that now okay okay so anyways so I think that between that and there's probably a bunch of other things in meetings like this where it's a little bit more of a heated conversation where the Selectmen are like we don't want a babysit anymore so you know what signed this thing adopt it and act like adults I think that that's what the overall initial gist of this has been y do you think that that's the point I don't think it's in any way trying to overstep or be big big government and tell you how you have to to can't legally but because they don't oversee us anyways right it's probably more of a in good faith can we all just get on the same page and act like adults and act like we're elected officials here I think we what's the pleasure of the board you want to uh I think that we tonight you want to put it off to uh I want to delay it I want to read it like solidly whatever yeah I mean it's I don't have a horse I don't care doesn't matter to me if I sign it tonight doesn't matter to me another meeting and think about it more yeah honestly I just breath through it and I just to me looked like pretty much the same thing the same thing that we signed the first time yeah but I mean if if it would be um in an effort to act as as a team right if all of us are indifferent and we have somebody that is passionate about it I think we have to do our due diligence to support that let's do that then how about I'll accept a motion to post I'll make a motion and then to postpone this until uh no 21st 2024 okay I have a motion on the floor do I have a second second it's a motion in a second all those in favor uh taking the time to review it and addressing the issue at our next meeting please say I I I unanimous and what's our last oh we have minutes oh do we have bills too oh yeah to bills yeah one thank you that's why I'll make a motion for a planning board expense in the amount of $90 for Express Newspapers for invoice number 15956 for the NBTA hearing notice do I have a second second a motion in a second all those in favor of paying paying that $90 bill as as presented please say I I I unanimous I make a motion to pay a planning board expense for Express Newspapers and in a renewal subscription in the amount of $27 is there an invoice number or anything on uh nope just renewal subscription okay there's a motion on the floor do I have a second second Motion in a second all those in favor of paying that invoice please say I I I passes R mared you have the FL right and now we got what do we have that's there we have bills thank you no we have minutes um I did see them in my email today um I don't know what day um that you sent them to me because I didn't take notice of that but it's been a crazy week I was hoping that maybe we could push it off to the next meeting as well and also um the list of chair and vice chair is off on these like I think it's just probably a typo I'm not I'm just saying you the last page yeah uh any other uh comments anyone feel like we we're good to go or you need more time to read it over I don't but how about you Rick no I wasn't here the 17th anyway but the third I was fine I read them over I don't I don't have a problem with as they presented other than like you said both yeah so uh I have a motion regarding uh October 3rd to accept the amendment as presented I'll make a motion is that the one you wanted more time to read or the no no no that's the minutes these are the minutes I I wanted more time but it's okay okay I was just wasn't sure EXC a second sir there's a motion in a second to accept the meeting minutes of Thursday October 3rd 2024 as presented all those in favor say I I all those opposed abstain uh passes three in favor one exstension and uh we make a note uh Danielle if you could fix that please it's just a just a typo thing yeah should we wait well let's I'm going to sign it and then if it has to be well you know how we do it in real estate we do it like this and then initial it you know what I mean change you know what I mean mhm Rick lry just a member nobody just a lonely old [Applause] member you at that one yeah you were at this one we signed this okay uh the minutes of uh Thursday October 17th 2024 anybody have any uh changes deletions or there was no I was on the back yeah same thing we'll have to fix that uh any changes to leion or Corrections on the minutes of Thursday October 17th 2024 you looking for a motion yes motion to um accept the minutes do I have a second no I'll second it just for okay yeah uh voting on this then is uh myself Amy troop Brendan Elliott uh all those in I'll go for Voice vote there only three of us uh Brendan Elliot it's a yes uh myself was a yes Amy abstain passes your kid is very l we should get I can thank you extra okay what else do we have somebody say nothing I'm fighting for you nothing I'll make a motion to adjourn minutes notice of public he bills motion to adjourn there's a second all those in in favor say I I I motion to adjourn [Music]