We're going to call to order the meeting of the town of Halifax planning board for Thursday, April 16th. We are meeting in the selectman's meeting room, also known as meeting room 1. I also need to announce that the planning board meeting
is being recorded by Area 58 community access television and can be viewed on YouTube. I guess we'll start with our first appointment which is PSPR261 the final >> approve the agenda. >> I'm sorry.
>> You want to approve the agenda? >> Yeah, I suppose. Can I get a Yeah, >> I'll make a motion to uh approve the agenda as presented. >> I have a second. >> Second. Moved and seconded to approve
the agenda. All those in favor? I >> I. >> All those opposed? >> No. >> The eyes have it. First appointment 318 Plymouth Street continued site plan modification. And I think Tom
>> is there. We should probably make sure we know who's here. We need to do that. >> Okay. >> We do that at every meeting >> on the board this evening. Attending for the board is Mr. Bruce Sylvester, Amy
Troop, myself, Tom Millius, Bert Gainner, and Jamie Walsh. Has everyone signed in? That's here. Yeah. Okay. Okay. We're going to try this one more time. 318 Plymouth Street, continued site plan modification. I
think we're going to start with our review engineer, Mr. Brennan. Can you give us an update in response to uh anything that's been going on up there? >> Yes. So, I I see that Gary James is here. He's the engineer that's been working with the developer out there. Um
Gary's been keeping in contact with me on a weekly basis. He's um keeping me up to speed on what's going out there. He's had me down there several times to inspect the drainage that has been being installed. Um, I understand one of the
one of the things that Gary did when he got involved with the project is he he looked at the grading out there, realized that the site could be lowered some. Um, I think it's probably Gary, what's the average? Probably 18 in. >> 18 in. >> Probably the entire site has been
lowered about 18 in. Um, he was able to do that without changing any of the drainage. all the drainage, excuse me, infrastructure all stayed the same. So, it was actually a net benefit because the retaining wall on the as you're
looking at the site there on the right hand side is actually lower. It doesn't have to be as you know 18 in lower than it was. Um, and then the only other change from the approved plan was the location of the septic system. It was behind those buildings. Now, it's going
to be over in this area here. Correct. Um, again, that's that's below grade, so you won't even know that it's there. But, um, those are the only two changes from the approved plan. Um, I I think that lowering the site, you know, it's
less fill that's being brought in. Um, it's a it's a major benefit to the site to to do that. Um, and the septic system, the location of that really doesn't make any difference. Um but that's th those are the only two changes
from the site. Um the the storm water ponds um out that go out toward the golf course were constructed the end of last year. Um I was out several times to inspect those as they were being constructed. The one that's you can actually see the corner of it in this uh
view here. Um they just finished it and that was it's kind of weird. That one was kind of done in conjunction with the site next door at 3:14. Um they just finished creating that, putting a little in it and seating it. Um I I stopped out there on my way in
tonight and that looks good at this point in time. >> It does look good. >> So um so yeah, things have been going well out there and you know Gary every time it's rained out, he goes out and does a storm water report. Um and and he's been submitting that to he's been
emailing me with him. I think he's been copying Danielle and and the building commissioner with him. Um, so he's been right on top of things and it's been it's been good having him on site to keep me up to speed on things. >> So Pat, any uh Are you bringing up for
discussion? >> Yeah. >> Uh any uh it's been lower right 18 in. You said it's not beneficial for the for the site. What about drainage wise? Is that been affected? Has it more less? No, it it doesn't affect the drainage at all
cuz there's no change to the pavement or the buildings or anything. Everything lays out the exact same. It's just the site >> 18 in doesn't affect it one way or the other. >> No, because basically all of the pipe inverts that were designed for the drainage. It's still they were still installed at the same elevations. It's
just that the rims of the structures come down that 18 in. And there was enough room in all those structures to be able to do that. And you didn't have to pipes down at all. Oh, so >> because when you said 18 in I thought >> Y just it it's it was basically just a
cosmetic thing to bring the whole thing down. >> But from a functionality thing, everything functions the same as it was when they designed it. >> What about the uh what about the water situation now, Mr. Millius and I went out there on the uh fourth hole. Uh
how's that water situation there on the on the fourth hole? It actually it seemed like well when that crazy rain came it was it was insane rain but uh it it was off to the left of the burm. It it seemed that they had
>> Well, I know Mr. Pek had uh some pumps out there and would drain it into the that little retention pond that's back there. Yeah. >> Is that pretty much they they were actually working on it when we were there, you know, putting fill in and whatnot, but uh
>> I I think Stacy Tracy rather uh was proposing a plan to run some more piping out there. >> Gary James. >> Yeah, >> uh we actually met with Mr. Pek uh yesterday and have come up with a plan
to be able to address the uh the puddling that has resulted in behind the embankment. It was soggy out there. >> Oh yeah, it's quite a bit. >> Yeah. >> Uh unfortunately the existing grades just the way they were displayed in the original plan were off by about 2 or 3
ft. Now we lowered the burn we lowered the uh the invert of the outfall by 2 ft, but we still trapped the water on the back side. Now we've looked at we're going to work with Mr. to be able to get that puddle out of there and be able to make sure that everything drains back to the out wall uh the way it was supposed
to, the way it was originally designed. So, uh he actually I I believe he's going to start next week, but we're going to give him the material necessary to be able to fill those so that it'll eliminate the puddles and we'll cut that embankment down at the outfall. Make
sure that to to give it that opportunity to be able to >> when Tom and I were there, we we had spoken to uh Mr. white and he did say that uh he was in communications with uh >> uh Joey and that they were waiting
instead of guessing they were waiting to shoot it you know engineer wise the grade and whatnot instead of putting in the dirt. >> It's going to be flat but we do have we did recognize we do have the grade to allow us the ability to be able to get it to float all the way to the end. It's
going to be really flat but it will float. Speaking of water, it also looked like we had a little erosion stream coming from the end of the project down potentially onto the um Alru's property. Uh, you know, down the >> Oh, okay. Along the retaining wall.
>> Yeah, along the retain. >> Yeah, we've uh that's been raed out. It's been seated. Uh hopefully we should see some growth there pretty quick. >> It looked like it needed to be stabilized as much as which is what you're addressing. >> It was kind of unfortunate the way they graded it. They just upgraded it. Just
they left it so that it was going up. >> Yeah. >> So, it's sloping away and it really shouldn't be. It's supposed to be sloping back in. And there's a catch basin right on that corner. >> Yeah. >> It looked like it went right around it. >> But we we've been on top of it. So, we
will continue to uh we'll continue to be on top of it. We're not going to >> Now, the gray the gray of the parking lot, the hole is coming down 18 in. >> Yeah. actually around the retaining wall. It's it's an average of 18, but it'll be 3 ft on one one on the other
and 18 on the other. >> So, in other words, that'll be lower than that on the top will be almost lower. Yeah. Once you get around the corner of the wall. Yes. Yeah. Yes. >> Yeah. In other words, it'll have to go up and over around.
>> Yes, it will. Yeah. It looked to me like this would improve the site in terms of >> I I mean I never seen >> from an engineering standpoint. Yes, it improved the site because number one, when you look at the the
grades and the way they they interface with the tours, specifically the golf course and the it's a much much easier grade to be. It's I mean stop and think about add three more feet to it and and see how badly how far you'd have to go
to be able to to run out to the existing grace. >> I mean the original plan the two trees on the edge of uh is that the fourth hole? >> Fourth hole. Fourth >> fourth hole. >> Yeah. >> They were scheduled to come down
>> by lowering it. Wait, they can stay to the chin of Mr. Pet down but was like, "No, we're not taking it down. We're going to leave it there." >> He was concerned about his trees out there and when we were walking it was a sponge.
>> We looked at it. He might lose one little red maple out there. >> One only only because just to allow us the ability to get by the toe to be able to fill in. There's a couple of, you know, the upper holes are not a problem. That's just material. They It slopes
very dramatically back to that low point. But just the low point, I think we we shot it, we got a low point around elevation 584, 583 and our outfall is at 592. >> So we have almost 12 in of material to
fill in that hole. >> Yeah. So yeah. >> Yeah. And I think Joe when Joey when he he said when he pumped it out he was pumping out about 12 in. So he was right. >> Y >> when was he pumping out the 12 in? >> It was a week ago a week ago. Yeah.
>> Maybe a week ago. >> Right after that crazy rain that we were there Saturday, right? >> Yeah. It was a Saturday. >> Yeah. So it was either the Friday or late >> cuz I think the rain was Wednesday, Thursday. >> Yeah, I thought it was Wednesday. So I think it was Friday pumping it up. Pat,
do you agree a little about it? Is it all? >> Well, I haven't seen the issues on the golf course itself. I haven't been out there after severe rain. So, I'm sure Gary's on top of it. It's been on top of on top of everything else.
If you want, I'll I'll bring Pat out there. We can shoot it with cuz we've been shooting it, too, to make sure that the grades are going to work. >> That's what Joey was waiting for to >> Yeah. >> have you guys shoot it. So took the guess word out, you know, maybe we need more. Maybe we need let wait until we
shoot if we know for sure. >> We had a question. >> Yeah. Question. >> You identify yourself. >> I'm sorry. Mandalon 2011 Cranberry Drive. A question I would have is what side is the septic on? Is that the 3-FFT? We're going down or the one. And does that mean now you're going to move
the septic down 3 ft or lower to the water table on that side? And what's the effect of that? Well, the design's going to the other side of the the >> property. >> It's going to be in the ground anyway. So, you want to speak to that? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, the septic I mean, Title 5 requires that the bottomless septic bleaching field needs to be either 4T or 5T above the water table depending on the her rate. So, regardless of what the site's coming down there, there's I think there's still a little bit of a mound around the septic area, right?
>> Yeah. About 2 ft. >> Yeah. So the the septic will still be you still have to maintain that separation of ground water from the septic system. >> Okay. So you got enough room on that when you're going to bring down the site that you if you're going to pipe it. I don't know what side that is at the 3T or the one. But you got to move that
pipe down and feed the septic which means the septic's got to be lower right. That's the question. >> Is there a pump to that? There's a pump. >> Yeah, there's a pump. So it pumps it up to the to the leeching field. >> Okay. So you're going to move it's going to be above it's getting closer to the top. That'll be there'll be there'll be
a mound around the subject field itself. >> You're going to build it up. >> Yep. >> Just the subject field. >> Okay. And then one last question to that was is that on the on this site itself here I know we talked about the rain everything came down but what's the planning for that to have to say what
type of rain of the last seven years or is there some way we look at how much rain is coming in and how much you got to disperse in the plan because let's say if this happens again in a few times the rain gets worse weather whatever how are we going to be planning for that? Are we doing the bare minimum the water
runoff or we is the planning board got a >> I'll let our review engineer usually >> the the storm water system was designed you have to design it um according to the Massachusetts storm water regulations for various interval storms
is a two 10 25 and a 100 >> okay the 100year storm and I I'm not sure if they use the cornel but it's either 7 in in a 24-h hour period or it might be depending on which which rainfall data they use. Um, and
basically what the regulations are is whatever came off that site prior to construction during a particular rainfall event. Post construction, you cannot let any more off of that site than what came off it prior. So, a lot of it needs to be
infiltrated into the ground. Um, and a lot of it they put the, you know, if you look at the basins, there's different wheels and all the control structures. And what those do is they meter. They allow the flow to go out at a slower rate. So even though um, you know, you
have this basin that's holding a lot of water, it's allowing the water to to leave that basin at a slow rate. So it's not affecting downstream properties. It's keeping it at a at a rate that's less than it was. Not less, but at least matching those. >> So, we don't know what what year it's
actually being designed for, like a 10 year flood 25. >> It's designed for all those storm 129 circuit street. Just to follow up on the septic, you mentioned 4ft or 5 foot. >> Yes. >> Uh, did the water health give any
variance because I see sometimes regularly they give variances to be closer. Yeah. The board of health will not give a variance on new construction. >> No. >> They'll only do that if it's a repair. Okay. >> Title 5 doesn't allow you to give variances for new construction. Okay.
So, it's all existing house. Correct. You see that? >> Yeah. >> I'm correct in saying that all the drainage from that site is designed to go to the country club. Is that not correct? >> Because they want the water. >> Yes. >> Okay. I just want to make mention of
that. >> So now if we could get something in writing saying that it's not going to affect our property from you saying that what is it that that the
runoff or the lowering the the uh level of the parking lot and everything won't affect us at all. Yeah. I mean, it won't. It's It's >> Well, I think what's more appropriate maybe is to write something to the
planning board to that effect. >> Yeah. Something like that. >> Yeah. That you you reviewed it and there's no impact from it or something on that order. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And then uh what about snow removal? Where's the snow plan?
>> That's going to be offsite, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Are we taking off site? >> Yes. There's no place on this. >> Yeah, I believe Tracy even told that told you that, >> right? Yeah. >> I was talking to him that day. I I appears to me
that there's virtually no impact to the site. If anything, it's an improvement aesthetically as opposed to having the extra elevation. In my mind, I was thinking that it actually slows the runoff down a little bit. >> It really doesn't affect the runoff,
>> but it doesn't. But you said that that's all staying the same. >> Basically, it's just the covers, right? >> The substructure is all the same. You're just lowering the the >> less less risers on it, right? So the main holes are going to go right on the
top. >> Yeah, the risers are shorter. >> Yeah, basically. Yes. Yeah, you're correct. Just the number of rises is not as many as originally. >> There's one more thing here. Yeah. >> Um, from the corner
that people aren't going to jump over the the wall, but from the corner over to the um retention pond. I mean, people can walk right out from
the buildings and right onto our property. Is there any chance of getting a fence there? We haven't I I don't believe there's a single fence proposed. >> No. >> In fact, in talking to the uh I know Mr. Pek,
>> he really did want to he didn't want a fence along that property line either. >> We're going to have golfers walking in there, too. >> Yeah, that's Yeah, we will. >> He's going to mark it with white stakes as being out of bounds, but he's actually he actually indicated to us
that he will maintain the grass slope. the grass. I believe we have like a 6ft shoulder there. >> Yep. But they've been walkers been walking on it long. It's not nothing. >> It's changed that would increase the number of traffic on there other than
what's been there for the last >> 40 years. >> This is out. >> Isn't there I know the bank put up a fence between us and them.
They are the business where residential business and they put a fence up. Now we have the same situation here. I would like to have a fence up there up in the back of the property right from
their property right over to the end of ours. We're still residential business. They are commercial. There should be a fence there. >> Just on the side >> there >> on the back side.
There should be a fence. >> I think they keep on >> site plan modification. >> I understand. >> Where is um So, I'm looking at a picture of buildings with um >> it's behind the big building.
>> So, do we have um the full set of plans when we can actually look at what the elevations look like? together right there on the table. >> This whole table's full of planets for you to look at. I'm sorry I didn't put them up.
>> So, I'm looking at a picture. This is the original safe pass that we wanted. There's two copies here as well. These are the guys time. It's probably 30 40 ft. It's a one,
>> you know, just to keep the people, but the golf is going in there wherever they're going to go. >> Well, your property is also boarded by the retaining wall, right? >> No, >> the the block wall. >> Yeah. >> No. Yeah. >> No, it goes from the corner to the
retention. That's wide open. >> Oh, from You're talking You're not talking about towards the golf course. What you're talking about? >> No, just just from the corner a little bit out from the corner. There's a plan right here in that here, right?
This corner here is there's a corner right there like that little short spot right there. Goes all the way just to come over to the >> to the edge of the just to keep the people in. And that's probably what about 40 ft
there somewhere. >> We don't want I mean the walking at any one time would be four people on a forome, right? >> No, no, no, no, no, no. We're c the the storage people on the other side storage.
>> We've had people come through there lately. We never had that problem before, but they're taking a shortcut. So, they come through the back around that corner and right down
the front. This should be a fence. There's going to be a gate on the other end to keep people from going in and out. >> I'm going to pull this back a little bit. So, one at a time. Okay. >> Yeah, sure. Sorry.
>> So, my issue is that number one, a lot of these plans are only a partial property and that's 15 pages. This is five. I believe 1, two, three, four,
five pages. Um, uh, we add a storm water management, which I have in my bag, >> but none of that's changed. >> Hold on. Can Can I finish? >> Yeah, you can finish. >> We don't. We had a storm water management plan. These plans are not
like those. They are partial of the property. They are not the full Um Pat, you said that the new basins or the basins that are in were being installed in fall of 2025?
>> Yes. >> Okay. We hadn't approved any modifications as of yet. >> I don't think the basins have changed, have they? >> Are they lower? >> No. Storm call is a lower. There's less risers from the top. I'm talking path.
>> No, the bases were put in per the original plan. >> Okay. So, those are the original plan and and they're going to test fine with all the parks and everything. >> They should. Yeah, >> they should. So, we have changes and pumping out of lot nine. We haven't
approved any of these plans. These mod the modification, excuse me, I'm going to finish. The modification of this entire thing has not been approved. And yet we're talking about how things haven't been done. Hopefully it's going to be done right. The hopefully the uh
grass is going to grow soon. And I find this to be not okay. This these plans were not sent in like they're supposed to be perh 16728 on February 19th when the application was put in. That set with all the
changes should look like that should have been sent in to the town hall. Nine copies. Did you receive that? Did you do the Did you do your engineering for the town on those plans?
>> I reviewed the plans. >> These but they're not. So these plans do not resemble anything like what was put in what was put to us per our bylaw
167-28 on February 19th to be distributed to the town all the boards and everybody. So you're saying you didn't receive something like that. You've only received >> I'm going to interject here. He doesn't get the nine copies of the plans. It
comes to the planning board. And if that's a big issue here, I'm going to ask for a motion to wave the nine plan regulation for this particular modification. >> We can't. >> Well, I think we can. >> No, we can't. >> Detrimental to the town, which means
that we cannot. >> Well, then you can challenge it afterwards. Okay. If it passes. No, you now hold the record for the most appeals. So, it'll just keep going. You You came in here combative. >> No, I did not. >> Yes, you did. The plan is identical to
the other plan. The only thing that has changed is the height of the riser. That's it. The calculations don't change on the other thing. >> Okay. >> Well, the septic system is a board of health issue that was approved by them. Do do we really care where the septic
system is? >> Yes. >> Okay, we do. >> Why do we care? because it is our job to make sure that everything in the town is planned correctly with all the boards combined to come back. >> Okay, we can still approve it, right? Should we choose to approve it?
>> Are you are you are you challenging that? >> This did not come into our 16728 and >> Well, you're saying specifically because we did not get nine copies of this >> because it's not the full plans that they ought to be, Tom.
>> No. Well, like I said, we can we can modify that. >> So, we have >> that regulation was inserted in 1976 before electronics. >> The only thing electronics has changed by the town. >> Let him finish Amy. You keep
interrupting him. You asked him not to interrupt you. >> Has the town meeting voted change? >> Let her speak. >> You don't want me to finish. You want me to let you finish, but you don't want to let me finish. >> The only thing electronic when these When that bylaw was in fact put in place
was a bular brain that sold for 85 bucks and it was a calculator. Every none of the departments even want paper anymore. Nobody's got any place to store it. I understand it's in that book. I say the planning board can wave things. I
believe we can wave that as well should the board want to wave the nine plan submission which is just a waste of paper because nothing has changed except the height of the risers. >> Am I wrong? >> It's not about the nine copies Tom. It's about no permit shall be granted for any
commercial, industrial, business, institutional apartment, multi-dwelling municipal or school building or public utility structure. And none of the above classes of structures shall be constructed or externally enlarged. In no such use shall be expanded or
established in an existing building or lot not therefore to use for such purposes except in conformity with a site plan bearing an endorsement of of approval by the planning board. Set site plan shall show the owner of rucket location zone boundary lines easements
or other legal restrictions. Exact location of the buildings building or buildings on the lot with side front and rear dimensions. Lot dimensions. Topography adjacent public ways. Location of off street parking, lighting, utility system, surface
drainage, traffic flow, location and nature of open spaces with specific notation such as landscaping, locust plan, and other details deemed necessary by the planning board. The planning board may wave or substantially reduce the site plan submission requirements
for projects having limited or minor impacts consistent with the purposes of this chapter. Um the these plans do not show that they show partials of the plan. They do not show buildings. They It's like literally
>> I saw >> right has Has has everybody else has the town seen it? We have one page that shows that. Then we have partial drainage with partial buildings. Right. Right. We do partial
doesn't show all lot lines. Cuts off buildings. Again, same type of a thing. Cuts off buildings. Not the same thing. We have again partial cut off.
And then this right here, it is not a full plan. If I pull out this one, it's going to show you a lot different. >> It's not a new submission. It is in fact a modification. >> It's not huge. >> It is. >> It is not huge. It's a minor modification. >> It is.
>> I'm sorry. I I believe the intent of the modification was to replace the grading plans in the original site. All the other plans are still, >> right? district is >> this plan should come in showing us exactly what's happening not with
partials because it's very difficult to make a decision based on partial lot lines. It is not >> the buildings aren't moving. >> Yeah, they are going down. >> They're going down but they're not moving on the lot different type of
>> you got to look at that on the overall section to see the impact. Now, I mean I'm not the the building guy or whatever. All I'm just saying is if you wave that thing with something in the town guidelines, you'll lie to get everybody else to ask you to do the same. All right? And based on this meeting, my personal opinion is is that,
you know, you should get the full set of plans, get a chance to review it, and if it's what you want to see, then you're broken. But if it's not, you know, >> Can I Can I intervene? >> Absolutely. >> So sir, >> can just identify you? So >> I'm I'm Mike Bro. I'm building commissioner here in town. You need to
realize that they built the house and they got it to plaster and they want to change the trim in the house. Do we need to reissue the framing plan that built the house? They want to change the trim. >> You're changing the site where it's changing just the grading. So the
structure, not the trim. >> And one one other point. This gentleman is hired by the town to do the town's job. I'm sorry, but if if somebody on this board is an engineer and can read these plans better than the person we
paid to do this as a town employ, you know, I I have to go with this man's word, but that's a >> Okay, just my point is I get it, but like my opinion is you're you open
yourself up now. You're you're opening yourself up for other people to come. You wave this guy. Why did you wait me? I I'm I'm just saying you're putting the town in a bit of a risk on that. >> My point is we have a full submission. What literally we've got the
modifications which are I mean I've been around this a long time. These are pretty minor. None of the grades have changed. >> The only thing that's changed is the height of the risers and the buildings are coming down lower.
But >> that's your whole site, right? You're moving it down. >> Everything comes down. >> Yes, that's my point. >> I don't see it from the neighbors as much. It's all coming. >> I No, I get that point. I'm I'm not against you. I'm just saying the town's pres
you need to understand. All right. This This pavement is in the same exact grade that it was except for this pavement is a foot >> and down here the pavement's 3 ft long. But the pictures of all of the structures and all of the asphalt going
into it is the same. So if you put that layer here or you put it here, everything is contoured the same. You're just saving 3,000 y of material in there and jacking the buildings up in the air for the neighbors. >> And you may be
but that's why we have the town engineer to save. >> Okay. Did when the drawings were revved, did you rep the drawings for the existing drawings that are in the sets? He's reviewed them all. >> I'm just reviewing the model. >> I understand, but the do you have a model?
>> No. So, the issue is on the plans of the set here, did you rev them? In other words, did you use rev 9.1A that this replaces this drawing within the set so that now that you got a complete set with the reps? In the electrical industry, too, I mean, you rep the
prints all the time. And that's what you need to do. Otherwise, you could run into a problem. There goes your change orders or issues with the site. So, all I'm saying is is that if you submitted them, you just should have shipped the rev drawings and said, "This replaces drawing X and this replaces drawing Z." And if you had that, okay, then you'd
probably in a better position. That's a good point. >> Yeah, I I agree with you because I do mechanical and replace when that happens. >> Correct. And this is John. And those sheets we we could input those into >> and then the towns come in they pass it.
I mean I don't have any issue with pass. >> So so we can put it in as we can slide it into the existing that that's a point we'll take. >> If I put it into your your other your other point also as far as we do it for one or others each each application is
judged on its own merit. That includes the planning board that includes the zoning board of appeals. Uh so just because you know one place gets certain say a variance for something doesn't automatically mean you have to get it
all I have to get it also it's every application that comes through so it's all judged and it owns the same sign all I'm saying is I'm totally you know that's all too Chris,
>> um, someone just said something about the roof that made me think of it. So, the roofs have changed. They went to a higher peak. I remember last meeting you mentioned the roofs were chang. >> So, as a typical shed starters, this is a really low peak. The front of this,
the office area only has a little bit higher peak to distinguish that it's the office. That that's where you stop. That's why the bathroom's there. That's why the septic is going there rather than way back there from here cuz this is the toilets. All right. And it
matches this roof of that same back there. All right. >> And then the middle building that's changing too cuz that also has a peak. >> No, it's just the rendering. It they all they all have a small peak. They're a space building. You see them in every storage.
>> No, I was just getting cuz you're saying the building's going down, but >> Oh, the peak's not coming up. The building's this building is the same height whether the top it didn't change the top. the the building was let's just say it's 8 foot and 9 foot walls with the 3ft ft height so it's 12 the
foundation goes down the roof goes down right it's not like the foundation went down 3 ft and the roof stayed the same >> what I'm trying to say is the foundation went down but then we changed the peak he p >> no I'm sorry no we don't the building is
the same stainless steel building I mean it's just try say tall. The building's no tall. >> Okay. >> Building's no tall. >> So by putting a peak,
>> it has that it has a peak on both sides, right? >> So the original submitt didn't have the building itself didn't change. >> Okay. I just thought they last meeting they said they were changing the pitch
and the roofs. >> I don't know. >> Yes, they did say that. Yeah, they did say that they were going from like a flat one to a >> only place I know it has more pictures on that office to distinguish it as the
>> the only the only reason I stated that was because the site has original design with the way it is shown with it. So in in 10 in reality what happened was is that that basin was supposed to pick
up the entirety of the roof but when it was originally designed I don't believe there was a building design actually placed with it because we didn't get the building design until like October November last year 25. So,
we just got the building design uh for mill buildings in terms of what was going in, but part of the benefit associated with this modification was that we're going to bring it back into performance requirements of the storm water standards. And when you look at
the original plant, they didn't have any design components along the back side of building a to be able to collect this portion of the runoff, which we're now collecting. So, we're actually correcting uh what I consider to be a flaw in the
original design. No, it's no fault because how do we know? >> Yeah. >> He would make the same assumption that they would that it was going to be a shed roof and it was all going to come back to the front. In fact, it wasn't. >> So, what I was trying to get at is if the peak did go higher with the building, but the it still might the top
of the peak might be where it was at the original submitt >> and not lower like we were saying. up cuz the buildings were so the buildings were ordered one time whether the foundation stay at this height or the other building was going on top of it.
So the building structure hasn't changed just the ground just the foundation. >> So it's going to be lower if you look at the site will be a foot lower. The second one will be a foot and a half uh 2 ft. >> I'm just saying from the original submitt rendering it didn't have the
high peak roof. >> It did. It didn't have any really. It just had square buildings. Se >> I I want to try to put put a cork in this. Can can you prepare for us a set of
plans with revisions? >> You mean to modify Lyus plan? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I could I could actually revis those specifically stand out the same way as I can tell you specifically what what drawings would be placed
>> so that somebody could look at it and compare the original to what you're looking to do. So we can end this >> with the legends and all of the notes that are required and all the abutters that are needed perh by
>> I believe all the are there but uh you know the intent was not to redesign the entire site. The intent was to just modify >> if you could use the original pages and then in a revised plan I can give you a revised number on that rather than have
my own set and just tuck it in. Yep. >> Yeah, that I can do that. >> Thank you >> with the highlights of everything that's supposed to be changed because this is very unclear. >> I think you got it. >> Yeah, I can do that. That's not a problem. Can I get that in the form of a
motion from somebody to have the the uh >> I'll make developers engineer >> that the site plan be reissued um per our 167-28 zoning bylaw
and that we have an extension of 30 days signed by both parties and that >> well the the extension >> we make sure that the storm
>> today do we have any forms we should >> would you like to fill that out as clerk >> love to >> we can actually put this on the agenda at the first meeting in May unless it conflicts with town meeting.
>> It does. >> It does. So >> May 7th is our next >> is our next meeting. The 16th is town meeting. >> Okay. So So we can That's 3 weeks. Is that enough time? >> Town meeting on Monday. >> So then we should do a 60-day to be safe
so we don't run into what happened on the April 2nd cancelled meeting. >> Let's do 30 days. >> Well, 30 days. >> We'll get another extension at the next meeting. If we have one, >> we're going to have one.
>> Really? Remember, >> let's give them a year, Amy, and we'll be all set. >> We are. >> You give us 12 months. >> I had to take two days to make sure that extension went out out of my life to make sure that that occurred. >> I took care of it. >> Mhm. >> It was done. >> Fully executed.
>> We were asking for the extension. >> I I think that we should do a 60-day. Yeah. Because if we didn't do that, we would have had constructive approval. That's why I got out extension. Yeah. >> So, we have a 60 days. All right. I'm going to We can do 45 because that way
we'll be past the town meeting that needs to >> 45 days. I I really would like you to do 45 days. >> So, I'll amend my motion that we follow 167-28 45day extension from today it was going
to uh end. So that would be 14 + 21. So it would be go May 31st. >> I made a motion. >> Can we get a second? >> I I thought it was different. What we were discussing was that uh the the
>> to do a revised plan to do a revised plan following 16728. >> That's all. >> It's following our bylaw. >> I wait a minute. Hold on. >> They are actually set up exactly >> the same way.
>> All right. So, you're okay with that? In other words, all I got to do was change the the sheet number and you could slip them into the original setup. They're set up exactly the same for setup. >> There's nothing there's nothing different >> which is
that's how you finish. It's a full set. So, in other words, you tell me. >> So, you want to take five minutes and do that, sir? >> Yeah, I'll take you. >> We need the plans to be put into the town the way they properly are supposed to be done. We're going to have a set of revised
plans. >> No, we need to have them in hand so that we can properly go over them. We work for the >> He's going to give us a set of revis >> not the applicant. >> I'm not working for the applicant, Amy. >> Well, you may turn with him. I'm working
for the town. I'm working for the town of Halifac trying to follow our chapter 16728 site plan bylaw. >> Ma'am, I brought in nine copies. A lot of them disappeared because they went out with some of the abutters, but the
planning board really >> they're not they were sat here. >> They're not set up the way they need to be so that we have proper records within the town. Okay, I'll hand I'll handle it. Let's >> copy. >> Then why do we need a motion? Ask
>> for the last because it's just going to be done. >> Just make the extension on. >> Yeah, just do an extension so we can get >> I have a motion on the floor. >> Well, if I haven't heard >> it's in the best interest of people like remember what happened on your street and how you had to spend so much money.
That's why I'm doing this. >> Well, I haven't heard a second. If I don't hear a second, your motion is going to fail for lack of a second. >> 16728 that we get the whole entire plan set in to protect the people of this town from
having things like that happen again. That's our job. >> That was a bomb that you put on the road. So, >> but it's it's still not following a bylaw. That's how that whole thing happens is not following of a bylaw.
Well, then you can explain. Okay. I just I just got one quick just so I can follow this correctly. >> So, someone noticed the site needed a modification at some point in February. Right. So, then the applicant filed on
Open Gov on February 19th a site plan modification. Correct. Right. >> So, at that point on March 4th, Gary came here with the plans in his little tripod and showed us all the different stuff. Right. So the only thing we're missing is a full set of plans, >> right,
>> with the changes in the original drawings. Is that correct? Am I >> That's my understanding at this point. >> So up to this point, we have followed the bylaw. >> No, because they have to come in by paper, part of the bylaw. >> And we say open go. Are we supposed to
do it on open go? That's what I'm trying to understand. >> No, it's supposed to be in paper. So do you have a set of bylaws? >> I do. So on 16728 what I was doing and that's so that they can go out and get the proper comments from all the boards
which we don't have comments from all the other boards on any of these changes. We don't have them and we're supposed to make sure that they all come back to us so that we can discuss them. Yes. >> I want to correct that. We send them out
to the different boards. Should they not send them back that's up to them. They have what 30 days or is it 13 days? I forget. But you must know. >> Is that only is that for a modification and a new plan? >> There's no determination. There's no
determination. It has to happen on both. And that has to follow the bylaw so that they >> they have so many days to respond. And if they choose to not respond, what are you going to do? Chase everybody? >> I'm sorry, Danielle. >> 30 days.
30 >> 30. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> So, I have an extension here so we can get these plans like that into the board. >> We have a motion on the floor. I've yet to hear a second. Well, what's the motion for a 45day extension
>> and to get out of >> Well, no, you said more than >> as No, that >> no 45day extension to uh the new modified set of plans that would uh
>> add to and reference the original plans that were submitted. I I would I would second that a motion like that. Oh, >> I didn't think that was the motion. >> I didn't think it was either >> to to put in a site plan. That's
basically what it is is put in the site plan with the changes for the modification of Yes. A full set of plans like that. It's basically the same thing. What's the difference? >> I don't know. You start >> follow 16728 and have a 45day extension.
Did you say revise set of points? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Per our bylaw. >> Um, >> can I ask one question here? >> No, we're in the middle of a discussion on a motion.
>> It's to protect the town. >> Can Can you just cite that motion again so that everybody's listening? We have a site plan modification. A motion that we have a 16728 set of plans set in so that we can
properly do our job per the bylaw of the town. >> A revised set of plans. >> Yeah. Which follow 16728 >> and a 45 bit extension. >> I think before you make a motion like that, we should know as a board that the
applicant can comply with that. >> He said he could. >> Well, can you please >> He said he could. >> Well, you just interrupted him from giving an answer. >> No, he told us before. He said he would do it. >> Mr. Chandler, >> are you okay with that? You understand
that you're going to get of the 15 sheets that you have, you're going to get 12 of them back out. >> Okay. We'll make sure we Well, how about this? We'll modify it so that there's five put in so that we have them per >> to put in.
>> If if we're going to do his original plan, >> um that would be a modification to that plan. >> This is why I'm stopping here because I want to get some clarification. >> Just a suggestion. >> Yeah, please. Um if if those are sheets 1 through 15 in
the original set, h have him submit 16 through 20 whatever >> and say that sheet 16 replaces this and then if it was one full set of plans with everything split in so that it's showing
the changes then it would be clear to anybody who comes in and require looks at the site without trying to piece piece mail it all together, that they're all put together. All I'm asking for is that we have a complete set that we can properly sign off without peacemail here, peacemail there, so that
everything is clear and concise. >> I I I'll take care of it. >> I will take care of it. >> So, a full set of plans put into the town per that with the changes put in so that we can make sure that we're following the bylaw. So, so what you're
saying is the five sheets in question, >> you don't want them in as you want them in as marked revised but not added. >> You want the other plans removed and those inserted in their place. Is that what >> you can take the plan and make sure that it
>> I I this is the original plan. Okay. Page 1 through 15. This is five additional pages will be 16 through 20. Page 15 replaces page three. That's how we do it. And I'm sure you know that as well,
sir. When we replace orders, so that this becomes one packet of 21 and this gets uploaded. And this is the town's permanent record. That way it has the original. >> Every page has details.
>> Understood. >> Every page has details that are important. I'm not I have a question. >> Yeah, just uh yeah, the issue is if you put if you the easiest way, right, I guess is if you submit the prints back, just put in the revised sheets, right?
It's under you know B dash or one of them is now A or whatever, right? Every other plan stays the same. That's however however and you just certify that this meets the town requirement of X. He's covered. You're covered on the town and everybody's
good. But you just got to make sure that in there that understood that the other sheets that are not being changed, okay, those are as built and any any the changes you make that affect it is what you have to comment on. >> Correct. The plan.
>> Correct. Correct. Right. and the town's record for permanent. >> There you go. Everybody's got what they need. >> And there's a whole set starting with the originals and the revised. Okay. Okay. >> That's the way to do it. >> I would appreciate that. >> Fine. I I will combine the set so that
you have a single set. >> Yeah. Whatever detail you need to include in that. >> Yeah. I'll add I'll add the notes and just replaces the notes and the originals, please. Hey, I'll do the plan again, but I'll
I'll modify the lab. I'll modify the first plan to show the the additional hours. >> Thank you. >> That would be greatly appreciated. And to go the paper copies towns, everybody's still doing it. So many things we do all we do changes. Everybody have to submit everything back
again. They waste so much paper as opposed to just electronic. >> If you wanted to change your bylaws, then you do a different deal, right? >> Yeah. I think you got that problem. We have lots of things we need to change in the bylaws, but yeah, that would be one of them.
>> So, I think we're good with this motion. >> I think we all understand it, right? >> We all understand it as long as it's working that way. >> Five copies. Are we good with five copies? So, one member, one >> five copies. Thank you. Yep.
>> All right. I think we've got this nailed down. I still need a second. Second. Moved and seconded to have the applicant insert revised plans for the revisions
and present five copies to this board hopefully at the next meeting >> and 45day extension by >> Okay. >> It's not it's not a big task. >> Okay. All right. So, move seconded. >> I'll ask for voice vote.
>> Yeah. I'm going to ask for a roll call vote. Uh, Mr. Sylvester, >> yes. >> Mr. Trude, >> yes. >> Mr. Millius, myself, yes. Mr. G, >> yes. >> Mr. Walsh, >> yes. >> Okay, unanimous. Okay, moving on.
>> Thank you. >> Yeah, it's really warm. >> I shut the heat off and told everybody when I realized they kept getting close to six bucks a game. $5. Yeah. >> Yeah. 519 depending on you
>> said hot water is one thing. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, are you moving on? >> I am moving on. >> We're done with you. >> Road hard and put up with a Tuesday. We have a conversation.
Don't forget the jack. Thank you. Stick that in there. Why don't you just put it in like >> Danielle? >> Good to see you. >> Danny. >> Yeah. >> I just letting you know I put the
extension in the white folder for extensions. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> All right. Moving on to discussions. 314 Plymouth Street review by PGB
Engineering. Pat, you're on again. 314. >> Okay. Yeah. So, um I was asked to go out and look at the sidewalk in front of 314. Several months ago, I submitted a report
back to the board saying that the sidewalk was okay except for where it crossed the driveway. Um, it didn't meet the cross slope um for ADA accessibility. Um, met out there again last week or two weeks ago with the building commissioner
and chair um and the contractor explained what was wrong. Um, the contractor actually fixed it. I stopped out there on my way here tonight, took uh took measurements in the grade across that driveway and it is all compliant
now. Uh they ran a crosswalk across there. Um so that that appears to have been rectified. Okay. >> Okay. Good. And the reason for the reason for the modification was because the town asked for a hump to go in there
truck. So by putting the hump there, you can never ever meet ADA compliance. So ADA compliance took and we did it over again. So just so you third iteration though. >> Yes, it is. So could you speak about the
retention ponds as well? >> Yeah, they um there was an issue I guess over the winter they were plowing snow into the retention pond behind the Starbucks. No. >> Um they re they cleaned that out. They re graded it, reseeded it. It was hard
recently hydra here and they put a chaining fence up along this and they can't >> the building commissioner asked them to do that and they they do the snow. >> Yep. So they can't put the they can't pile the snow back there anymore which they should >> Did you see that letter from Steve Again
to the board? >> It might have come too late for >> you just had a couple items that he was commenting on. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I I noted the sidewalk next to the control box that it's prepped for pavement. I talked to about that and and they're they're going to be painting
that in the next day or so. >> And apparently the wire problem with that remaining pole has been resolved. It was an antique fire alarm wire monitoring that nobody's used in the town for 25 or 30 years.
>> So yeah, we just have to get our license back again. which is no easy fee. >> And I'll be I'll be back down here to take a look at another site. Um probably Monday. Um
and if they've done the you actually just let me know when they do that cuz I'll come down one visit down and take a look at both. >> Okay. How how far away are they from uh you know completing everything down there or >> I think it's just around that box now
they have >> I suspect next week they're going to >> Yeah. The only thing I'm waiting on is the handicap rails on the walk out front. I was going to bring >> those are going to be put up. Um, I'm waiting for one more report from the
HVAC from inside the building. And um, I literally have the plan there to go tomorrow and check to make sure the trees and the flowers are in the exact spot. >> And they did get rid of that uh, island hump.
>> They ground all the way out. And just so the board does understand, so the other issue is uh board of health has not signed off on the septic and um the light I uh the bond on the light because
the light looks like it's at least two more weeks away. So um I reiterated that we're looking for that bond and we will not release it until we have a bond for >> Are all are all the signs there? I I
know it's uh it's painted on the I know it's painted on the driveway. Right turn only, but I think they were asking for signs being made right. >> All right. I noticed they didn't see them left. >> Yeah. No entrance. >> I thought that was one of the conditions we could tell.
>> There's like three three signs. Uh if I was to say, I would say that at least 90% if not 95%. They they have been there pretty much um steady. >> What's the hold up on the board? I thought they were they were all >> they thought they thought they'd have
the arm in the >> and and we don't want to be on the hook for that. So >> not a prevailing way and and we're going to take a cash bond because we don't want anything in exchange any longer.
>> So um yeah, I believe that. But but in my opinion, and I'm going to voice this to the board, the light works. We're not going to wait for the light to let them open. The pavement's on. The lights are light cycle. The arm is is Yeah,
>> I think we talked about that in the past that it was ready to go, but we wanted a bond to make sure that the mast and the arm >> y >> the the pole has a fire wire on it that the fire chief just determined yesterday was dead. Verizon already came to pull
the pole and wouldn't pull it because it had a fire alarm wire on it and they would not take response. And they didn't know what it was at the time. >> Yeah, they're not going to dismantle duties. So the chief went and searched it all out and determined that it was known void. He cut the wire. The calls
back into Verizon come coming with the wires. As you know, any excuse not to do it, they'll they'll come six times and there'll be six different things. But you know, >> so as far as know, we don't have a master system here, right?
>> We used to. Yeah, I know. We used to monitor it at the fire station. Yeah. >> Um I think the bullet I think I'll go ahead. >> I just got one more question. So the road >> it's not a road that leads to back to
the store paved all the way to the pond at that time. >> No. So it is it is paid for >> it's it's paid one fire truck beyond the entrance to Starbucks and that was the agreement 60 ft whatever beyond
Starbucks to the fire hydrant for a fire apparatus that's where and then um Tracy will take it from there in all right but I mean I I will tell this board you need to realize the road's getting cut open
again we still got to put gas into Tracy's and they won't let them go in the road until the buildings are built. >> Yeah. >> And determine the gas load. So, so all that paper ground and put down fresh is going to get cut right back up again.
But Starbucks does not want to keep waiting. So, they paved it cuz it's not their problem. >> Yeah. Right. >> It's Tracy's problem. That road is owned by Tracy. That's a private way, right? So, >> yeah. He could he can do whatever he wants to and he'll infrared it. He
already said that he's going to do, you know, he'll infrared it. But >> I just want you to be aware that um when that telephone pole comes out, the chlorination tap is next to it and the gas will go in. >> Did he take that out? I thought I saw him taking the >> chlorination tap has not come out yet
and it won't until it's tied in at the other end. So just so you understand the road. Well, the good news is the gas me is on that side of the street. So, >> it is it's only about 2 ft into it. >> So, they're hoping to be able to box it out for the pole and the gas and make
one. >> Yeah. >> But, of course, it's too easy to say just run the gas in 60 ft, right? And >> but that's it. So that that's my
input on uh on Starbucks. >> I think he just partly answered it. So I know originally when this all started, we had just paid all the 106 section, you know, 34 a million dollars, whatever it was, >> and it wasn't supposed to be cut for 5 years, but then we allowed them to cut
it. >> Y >> I know multiple times it wasn't done right. We had to make them go back. We've got all the bumps in the road now. You should probably read this letter. House says it was an excellent job and they overcut it and they they did three times as much pavement out there as need
be. >> But that's what I was wondering. I think you just part of the answer there. I'm like they stop 10 ft from where the other road cut is and it's all bumpy and not fixed. >> So eventually once the gas goes in and all the road that whole section will be smoothed. What us taxpayers pay for.
It'll be all put back smooth. >> Yeah. So he won't get his bond. >> Okay. Well, the gas cut's only going to be a couple feet. >> It's only going to be 2 ft in, but they still remains on that side. >> So, the other cut that starts from That's AutoZone. You're talking about
the cut off at AutoZone. >> No, it's directly across from the center of the lights. >> Okay. >> It looks like there was a water shed off and they had dug a huge trench without >> But that's all paved right now from both sides of the lights. >> No, it's not. >> Yeah. >> Not from the middle of the light. No,
they didn't fix that cotton. It's all bumpy and sinking. >> I think Wasn't Tracy going to do that part of it. >> Tracy Well, I'm sorry. >> Um, you're right. It is coming through there. >> It's the water man that Tracy put in for
the fire. Not Starbucks. I'm sorry. That's not Starbucks cut. Starbucks cut and patch and pave is in relation to the light. That's Tracy's water service that comes in. And I'm assuming when the gas service comes in, he'll mill that both
down because he's got to get back up there. He understands it's his part, right? >> Just for the record, that's highway. That is correct. >> I mean, that's really the purview of the highway surveyor. That's his >> it it is it's Steve's.
>> Yeah. >> But we should hold something above it. just so say if it doesn't have open for 5 years and we approved them to go in and do that right then definitely they would have to fix it whether you got jurisdiction not you gave them a a pass to do it so they own it >> they own a curb the curb we didn't
actually authorize the cut that would be highway that authorized the cut >> okay you gave them a waiver >> right we gave them nothing >> we can require them to make it correct though >> either way if they fix it >> well he's going could do it in any event. I mean, you know, Steve's on top
of it. >> I was just questioning cuz you saw that pavement all they stop 10 ft before it was but like they'll be doing more work and Okay, >> that's that's 318's issue, not 314. >> So, that's how I put it. >> Either way, the state's going to come
after him if there's not an issue there, right? Because it's a state road. >> No, it's actually not. It's not. >> It's a state numbered highway, but it's not a state highway. >> We pay for it. We pay for it. >> Yeah. >> The only one is 58, right? Is the state island? >> No, we >> No. No. 58 isn't either.
>> Oh, I'm not sure as well. >> Route 36 used to be was actually the shortest route in Massachusetts. >> It was the shortest. >> And that was so the polls could get to the hopper in down there. >> Anything else we got in 314?
>> No, I >> I don't see anything. >> I don't see anything. Anything else? >> Anything to add? >> What is it? >> We can handle the agenda. Oh, that was >> moving. If we're done with 314, we're going to move on quickly to 340 Plymouth
Street. There was a complaint addressed by the engineer. Is that something or is that what you're looking at tomorrow? >> That was part of 318, Tom. >> We did that already. >> That's why the gentleman left. >> I'll make a motion to pay BGV
Engineering invoice number 628A and number 628B. One's for 318, one's for 539, and the amounts of $353.20, and the other in 27 is 27215.
>> I'll second that. Move seconded to pay the bills dated. There's no date. Okay. >> Do you need a date? I'll tell you. Dated. Um >> 3126 to 33136. So the month of March
>> for the month of March >> and the other one is >> got a motion in a second. I got I got a complete. >> All those in favor? >> I all opposed. >> Oh, sorry. You didn't say no.
Eyes have it. Paying the bills. >> I'll make a motion. >> I just had a question. 539. Is that >> Yes. That's the Tom's engineer to go and check 539. >> Does that ever get reviewed afterwards?
>> I think that's going in tomorrow, right? actually >> just I know probably can't discuss it but if it's on the agenda if he's reviewing it all the they did tons of stuff that wasn't in the site plan that >> well the enforcement office is going to address that >> which I think he started to but one of
the things is the building is not >> then you need to talk to him >> okay >> because it's not on our agenda >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn >> I'll Move and seconded to adjourn the next meeting. Oh, all those in favor? >> I.
>> All those opposed? Eyes have it. Next meeting will be May 7th, 2026.