WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=C-ym6KramKA Part: 1 1 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:33.920 Calling to order the Town of Halifax Planning Board meeting for Thursday, July 16th, 2026. We are meeting in the selectman's meeting room on the second floor, also 2 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:59.920 known as meeting room 1. The planning board meeting is being recorded by area 58 and can be viewed on YouTube. Um, moving on. There isn't too much on the agenda. Can I get a motion to approve the agenda 3 00:00:59.920 --> 00:01:17.240 as is? >> I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as presented. >> I get a second. Second >> discussion. Why are we not putting uh 285 Home Street on the agenda for being asked? 4 00:01:18.240 --> 00:01:34.799 I spoke to 285 Main Street on Monday and uh I did not get the impression that uh he was still looking to be on the agenda. >> He spoke to who? Laid out. >> No, Mr. Okaferel. 5 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:52.799 >> Okay. Cuz he emailed earlier in the week. So was that based on the email that I forwarded to you? >> I believe that was first thing in the morning. I spoke to him later on Monday. Um, okay. I have a motion moved and seconded to approve the agenda. All 6 00:01:52.799 --> 00:02:14.160 those in favor? >> I >> I. >> All those opposed. >> I'm just standing. >> I said I was abstaining. >> Oh. Oh, I thought you said you were still scanning. I'm sorry. >> No, no, no, no, no. >> Okay. All right. Three. Three in favor. 7 00:02:14.160 --> 00:02:30.160 One abstaining. Motion passes. First appointment is U Kenzie's path bond release. I believe that's why Mr. Springer is here. >> Yes. >> I was actually pretty surprised to know that that was still there 8 00:02:30.160 --> 00:02:46.720 >> after all these years. >> I was too. I I gave copies of the letters that I got from the bank. >> Yeah. >> Uh to the secretary for you to review. Basically, the money is going to go into some state fund if we don't do so. Right. which you know you you'll never 9 00:02:46.720 --> 00:03:03.920 get it out. I'm not signature on the account. So I can't take it out. Now I talked to uh your treasurer uh Miss McCarthy very nice person and she said she'd be glad to meet me down at the bank if the plan 10 00:03:03.920 --> 00:03:18.959 >> to to do all that. Yeah. >> Yeah. At least she'd meet me there would clear this thing up. Well, it's kind of interesting because I did a little research this afternoon and that was accepted by the town in 2012, article 40 at the annual town meeting. So, uh, some 11 00:03:18.959 --> 00:03:35.120 of the some of the requirements for the release of Shy, uh, I don't believe apply at this point. Um, >> well, I mean, it has to do with the engineer looking at it and all of that. I I >> I wouldn't think that applied if we 12 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:50.480 already took it. >> Well, exactly. That's what I'm That's what I'm getting at. Not to mention, it's only a $500 bond and a review would eat up the entire $500. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> but there there was only one thing. Did we get a a request in writing that? I 13 00:03:50.480 --> 00:04:06.560 think that was the only thing that was >> I can I remember 2012? >> You want me to give you the piece of paper? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We're going to have to prepare a document to sign though. And I don't think we have that. At least I didn't see it in the packet. So 14 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:23.600 >> what's the document say that's the document what are the requirements of the document other than >> upon a written release of shity. >> Yes. Upon receipt of such request for the release of lots or shities, the board shall request from the town engineer a verification of the satisfactory completion of all work in 15 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:39.520 the subdivision and shall either approve the work and release the shity or the lots or state wherein the work fails to comply with the definitive plan and with these rules and regulations and refuse the request. Either action shall be by a majority vote of the board and a certificate of the board's action shall 16 00:04:39.520 --> 00:04:55.280 be transmitted within 45 days of the developer's request to the town clerk and to the developer by certified mail in a form suitable for recording and to the shy company concerned if any. >> But so is that my question is that automatically done once in order for the 17 00:04:55.280 --> 00:05:10.800 road to get accepted that all would have had to have been done. >> Everybody would have had to be on board. Uh I don't think that any of the I personally don't believe that we need to send any engineer out to take a look at this. 18 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:27.120 >> I would I would absolutely think that that would have been done before the Congress would have I would have hoped so >> had to have was Mr. Peralt was anything that >> Yeah. Yeah. back back then. Yeah. Peralt. Yeah. >> That's all I remember. 19 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:42.800 >> Yeah. Well well the fact that it got approved at town meeting pretty much puts to rest. For me everything >> I mean what the engineer would be looking at now is anything that the town would have been responsible for in the last what 14 years >> and condition certainly 20 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:58.400 >> been changed or become different. >> Did I miss huh? >> Well it's when they started but it got released in 2012. >> I meant since the town took it. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like cuz the engineering would have had to have been done for that. Right. >> Yeah. I'll make a motion 21 00:05:58.400 --> 00:06:14.720 >> that just send us something in writing if you haven't already to release the bond just to clear that up >> that we um motion that we um release the bond >> release the shy >> due to the fact what was the date of the town meeting so I can >> uh it was the 2012 annual town meeting. 22 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:29.360 >> All right. So due to the 2012 town meeting article 40 >> I'm not sure if it was 40 or 42. So just just leave it at the 2012 town meeting. >> Town meeting um that the town approved and took the road Kenzy's path 23 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:46.240 >> released the bond to um Richard Albrer >> due to the road being accepted. >> Due to the road being accepted. >> You don't mind me throwing that off? >> No, I I get. >> All right. So >> now my only other >> drop it off here. >> Yeah, just drop it off. Email it. Do something. Get get us a request. Uh 24 00:06:46.240 --> 00:07:01.199 we'll vote tonight and then uh we'll get a document prepared and then it's up to the board if everybody wants to sign it. >> My um motion to include that once the chair uh once the the letter is um 25 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:16.800 >> drawn up prepared that uh the chair can sign it. >> Okay. >> Well, there's a motion on the floor. I'll I'll second it. Motion on the floor to uh approve the release of the shity 26 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:36.639 >> based on 2012 town meeting acceptance of the road and further that the chair can sign for the board to release the sh >> to Richard >> to Richard Ell to the admin. Yeah. Yeah. >> I know it's probably probably good to 27 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:51.840 have a letter, but >> wouldn't the application to the board to release it be a letter to the board? >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Automatically just the fact that he applied for >> advice. I think an email is advice. >> It's a letter 28 00:07:51.840 --> 00:08:07.759 >> just to throw it in there just to cover all >> But you also said you weren't the entity. It was some other entity. Was it your LLC or your corporation? >> No, he's not a signer on the bank because they Oh, okay. Oh, that's what you said. Okay. I'm sorry. I 29 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:23.520 >> tried to go get it out of the bank. >> No, no, you can't. You can't. It's actually requires both your signatures. >> Yeah. >> So, the motion then is on receipt of the of the letter/ email, whatever. >> The uh you're going you want to vote on it tonight. Do I understand that 30 00:08:23.520 --> 00:08:38.479 correctly? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. I'm pretty good with the fact that he did the research to find out that the town took it in 2012 because that was my wondering earlier. >> I couldn't imagine them not accepting the road, but >> Well, you know, we had plenty of roads 31 00:08:38.479 --> 00:08:54.720 today because they did. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, I know that, you know, I haven't got any tax bills or anything, so I know I don't own it. >> No, no. Got to be the Okay. All right. >> Okay. We have a motion and we have a 32 00:08:54.720 --> 00:09:16.560 second. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> All those opposed. >> Unanimous. Good >> to see you. >> Thanks. >> See you soon maybe. >> So those are the days, right? >> Uh there's a letter from 33 00:09:16.560 --> 00:09:32.480 >> 314. >> Yeah. PGB. >> You want to read it indirectly or does Jamie want to? >> Uh you can take it, Amy. Okay. Um, Halifax Planning Board on June 25th, 2026, the subject of 314 Plymouth 34 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:48.399 Street, which is the final inspection here. Halifax planning board at the request of Darren Welde of Leaders Real Estate, we visited the Starbucks portion beside their site this date to perform a final site inspection. Based on our 35 00:09:48.399 --> 00:10:04.800 inspection, we are satisfied that the Starbucks site has been constructed in compliance with the approved plan with the exception of the raised triangular concrete island at the west driveway. As discussed at the April 16, 2026 planning board meeting, this island was removed 36 00:10:04.800 --> 00:10:22.000 because its construction did not comply with ADA requirements for an accessessible route. The items that have been completed since the April 16th meeting include the following. The sidewalk at the northwest corner of the site has been modified so that there is an ADA compliant route around the 37 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:38.399 traffic control box. A gas trap hood has been installed in the catch basin at the northeast end of the parking spaces along the Plume Street frontage. Grass is growing within the on-site storm water basin. It was 38 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:55.279 hydro seated just before the April 16th meeting. Grass is fully established in the storm water basin on the 318 Plymouth Street site. Overflow from the storm water basin on the subject site discharged to the bas basin on the adjacent site. At 39 00:10:55.279 --> 00:11:14.560 this time we are satisfied that the site construction Starbucks portion of the site is complete. Photos from our site visit are attached. Please give us a call should you have any questions. >> Thank you. Thank you for that. So the pole everything's all all done. 40 00:11:14.560 --> 00:11:31.760 >> Yeah, there's a >> telephone pole is what I meant. >> You mean the uh the uh the light? >> No, no, no. I'm talking about weren't they moving one of the telephone pole light fixture? >> Yeah, that was done. >> And there was a hold up there because of 41 00:11:31.760 --> 00:11:46.399 whatever. >> Yeah. Yeah, that got taken. >> And I think uh what was the other thing with Barretts? Wasn't there uh some damage done to the the wiring there? And has that been fixed? And >> that that was repaired. >> It's working. That's why I assume it has been. >> Yeah. And and satisfied. 42 00:11:46.399 --> 00:12:00.880 >> Okay. >> The uh I I spoke with the building inspector and he's gotten confirmation from everybody that he needed to get confirmation from. There was a couple of minor issues with the fire department that got resolved. Um >> like what? There was an opening in the 43 00:12:00.880 --> 00:12:20.000 ceiling um in in the uh uh one of the mechanical rooms, but they boarded it up and and >> but that's not like plan. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. That's all interior stuff. Um they took care of the 44 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:37.279 um the handrails. Um >> interior. >> Uh no, the exterior ones. the ones going up the ramp. >> Yeah. Um the the one thing that um we could 45 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:54.160 we kind of missed was in our site plan review and conditions. We didn't specify who was to maintain the grounds. Um cuz it's a little confusing over there. Uh, I believe Starbucks had the the I'm 46 00:12:54.160 --> 00:13:09.440 almost hesitant to call it a lawn, but uh the the grassy area. >> Yeah, it got mowed. Um, it's kind of confusing over there because um the um storage facility actually owns that 47 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:26.800 property. Starbucks is using it as an easement and there was nothing in the easement language uh to specify who was to maintain it. Um but I think it's a matter of common sense. I I believe Starbucks or 48 00:13:26.800 --> 00:13:43.200 leaders is looking to take care of it until and if um the storage facility doesn't take over and just maintain it. But it was an oversight that we didn't think about that. 49 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:58.000 >> It's not one of those things that jumps out at you. >> But isn't that kind of a civil matter between the the owner and the and the uh leasey, whatever? >> That's exactly what >> it's part of their lease who's going to maintain it or >> Yeah. Apparently, there wasn't 50 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:13.440 >> I really don't think it's under our purview. >> No. No, it's not. >> I'm 100% in agreement with that. >> No, I I totally agree. I mean, that's the only thing that came up. Uh, but the building inspector has been asking them to take care of it because he thought it was unsightly, but that's strictly at their discretion. 51 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:28.560 >> Did notice too some people were saying that they people are coming out of the drive-thru at Starbucks and even though there's a big red sign there, they are taking a left onto 106. >> Yeah, I I actually witnessed that myself. >> Yeah. What are you going to do? I mean, >> short of putting an officer across the 52 00:14:28.560 --> 00:14:45.040 street for >> um I actually saw one of the work trucks coming out of there going left tonight. >> Yeah, I I've witnessed a couple people going left. People are always going to ignore stuff and that was the idea of putting the island in there, but then 53 00:14:45.040 --> 00:15:01.120 then the ADA compliance. But you know something we did the same thing not not for nothing not to open rooms or anything but Dunkin Donuts where it got so congested going through the drive-thru that people are still actually stopping traffic and I stopped out on 106 to go in to get a coffee at 54 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:17.600 Dunkin Donuts. You talk to the police, there's really not much you can do about it >> other than other than you're holding up traffic. But I wasn't listed. >> The uh the auto parts store is moving along 55 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:32.480 pretty quickly. >> Well, I I I I thought that this site plan was supposed to come back for where it was only a partial site plan release. I I really thought that it was supposed to come back in front of the planning board before any of it was released. And 56 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:49.839 >> Autozone or >> because it's a split site and the whole site's not done. And I really think that that's um that needed to come back so that we had conditions that made it okay and that is 57 00:15:49.839 --> 00:16:05.519 a step out of bounds for the building inspector to do so on half of the site without coming to us first. >> Interesting. If you read through the bylaw, there is no provision for any acknowledgement by the planning board. 58 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:21.040 That's one of the things I was going to bring up in our review of the zoning bylaws. I think maybe we ought to at least discuss putting some kind of a provision in there that prior of any occupancy that there is an acknowledgement from the planning board. Um, but that's 59 00:16:21.040 --> 00:16:36.240 something that's lacking right now, but that's something we can potentially consider because if you're in the bylaw, it specifically says the building inspector shall issue certificates of compliance of our occupancy. doesn't say anything about having any kind of 60 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:52.800 concurrence from the planning board. >> Well, we talked about it at a planning board meeting that >> it needed to because of the fact that AutoZone was not completely done because we had talked about the fence being up and how that would happen and making sure that all of their drainage do you 61 00:16:52.800 --> 00:17:07.120 remember? >> Mhm. >> So to me it was >> were those two separate applications or were they or was it just >> what? >> Yeah, but there's two separate occupancy two separate buildings in in his Yeah. >> One site, 62 00:17:07.120 --> 00:17:22.959 >> one site, two building permits, >> right? And and when Starbucks was actually going up, AutoZone was a completely dirt lot, right? >> You know, there wasn't anything at the time. It wasn't until cuz Yeah. Remember 63 00:17:22.959 --> 00:17:38.400 AutoZone was going to go in then they changed their mind. They weren't going in and then they came back and then they are going in, you know. Yeah, I know. Back and forth. >> So, it was hard to started before the storage and then we had to halt it and the whole site isn't done and some of 64 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:54.480 that would have affected drainage which could affect both lots and it really needs to be a full site plan review and we had talked about that in a meeting specifically I believe Mike was >> all the drainage is tied in so that all 65 00:17:54.480 --> 00:18:10.000 has to be working and that all got signed off. I actually confirmed that storm water management was signed off. >> It should have been confirmed here. We don't have a provision. 66 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:27.200 >> That's Tom. We talked about it at a meeting. >> We talked about it, Amy, but there's no nothing can back it up. >> I'm all for clarifying it in the bylaw. That's not what I'm stating. >> I'm not stating that. >> I I agree with you. We did talk about this stuff, but nowhere is it 67 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:44.480 >> don't don't don't even try that. It was stated at a meeting that we were >> Don't even try. Oh, okay. >> Well, no, it's it's literally that we talked about it at a meeting where Mike was here about this specific property. So, he did know that we had to have it 68 00:18:44.480 --> 00:19:00.799 come in front of us >> and finish it due to the fact that AutoZone was not complete. and he did and he was >> okay. Well, that's a different issue here. I I'm not I'm I'm talking about the fact that we don't have anything. >> All right. Well, >> whether we talked about it or not, I'm 69 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:22.000 not arguing with it. We did do that. Moving on. We did have um >> so where are we then with with the >> actually so >> with 314 Plymouth Street the final review letter. So what else do we have 70 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:38.080 to do with that? >> So now Autozone is not even completed yet and I think that before we the occupancy is done we make sure as a planning board that the entire site is here. It has to come before us before the occupancy. How do you make sure that >> send a letter to the building inspector 71 00:19:38.080 --> 00:19:55.360 >> and enforce it? How >> by the inspector? >> No. How do we enforce it? We can ask him to do that. >> Right. Send him a letter. >> I think that we send him a letter that states that we have to make sure this is 72 00:19:55.360 --> 00:20:10.559 this is the t like this is the board that makes sure that the site is okay so that the town is okay. >> I understand that. And also so that 318 Plymouth Street is okay because all of the drainage attaches to that and it doesn't talk about that in Pat's letter 73 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:26.960 at all. And then also that we have um sorry the number of your house 340 correct 340 who will be directly affected by everything. So they need to come back here with a full peer review for their side of it to make sure that 74 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:43.039 everything will be okay >> per like working for the town's people. >> Can you show me that where that's in the order of conditions? >> Order of conditions. It's the site plan sign off and we talked about this at a meeting. >> We talked about it and enforce it. I 75 00:20:43.039 --> 00:21:03.440 mean we can ask him to do this. My motion is to send him a letter that he has everything come in front of us to properly sign off on this site before he gives an occupancy permit on Autozone. >> It's just what's right for the town. 76 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:20.559 >> Oh yeah. Okay. My only concern is how do you plan to enforce that? We can ask. It is not a demand. We could ask the >> I would second if it wasn't a demand. Um I don't think it hurts to send a letter and ask them to check it out before 77 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:37.200 >> I have no problem asking. I'm just saying I don't >> but PB PGB engineering did >> check everything for Star Wars. Right. >> Right. That's >> because it's all tied together either the letter not >> either the septic the drainage works or 78 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:53.039 it doesn't drainage >> whether it was on there or not. Right. But it wasn't all complete over there as far as the tiring over there, the building over there, their landscaping over there. None of that was checked out because I've been watching it happen as I go for my walks by there on a daily 79 00:21:53.039 --> 00:22:09.919 basis. Do you know what I mean? So like that means >> I'm with Amy. I just don't know if we can demand it. But I will definitely ask you just encourage is a better word >> that we would really like it to be on our next but All right. So I 80 00:22:09.919 --> 00:22:25.200 >> Yeah, that's all I'm saying. That's >> but I'm strong and so I'm able to have that. I'm able to talk about that. But that's just how I feel as we looking out for the town. Thank you, Jamie. >> We have somebody in the audience, but 81 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:40.000 we're in the middle of a >> Yeah, we're in the middle of a motion. Um do do you want to just clarify the motion so that we we get it straight that the >> that ask the building inspector to make sure that um before an occupancy permit is issued they come back in front of the 82 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:56.960 board to make sure the entire site is cleared for um a a toz on the site plan >> so that the planning board makes sure that he can verify to the planning board that the site complies in all aspects. >> Mhm. that 83 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:13.520 >> do you have a suggestion? >> Yeah, we don't even have to say suggest. We just say ask him. >> I was saying do you have a suggestion on I'm saying that the entire site plan has been peer reviewed and stamped for >> Yeah. Yeah. Just you know provide to us 84 00:23:13.520 --> 00:23:29.360 verification that the entire site has been peer reviewed >> which bottom line is the same thing that we just had done for >> Yeah. uh Starbucks. We we got a letter from uh Pat saying that yes, everything was covered, >> right? 85 00:23:29.360 --> 00:23:44.480 >> But we had >> but I think Amy doesn't want is a separate letter from AutoZone. So now we have a letter from Starbucks, a letter from AutoZone, but not the entire >> Yeah. And and >> so we want the entire thing. >> Yeah. for to make sure because there's a lot 86 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:59.760 riding on that with all of the drainage that goes over the 318 to the golf all the way to the golf course. >> Let's let's write this motion so that we can actually get it correct in the letter. >> Um >> well, is it yellow and 87 00:23:59.760 --> 00:24:14.640 >> Yeah, but we we've had like five versions of it here. I just want to make sure that we got something that >> Okay. So a motion that the engineering is done for the entire site and it comes in front of the planning board before 88 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:48.640 the last occupancy permit is given. engineering uh verification of compliance >> um with the entire site plan >> of entire site plan that's all please and thank you entire site plan provisions. Is that all 89 00:24:48.640 --> 00:25:18.440 right? >> 314 and Oh, just >> Well, >> yeah. 314 >> both Starbucks and AutoZone 90 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:35.279 will understand verification of compliance of the entire site provisions for 30 314 Starbucks and AutoZone um be presented Did I'm not trying to change your motion. If you have a problem with any of this 91 00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:55.919 language or something to the planning board for their comments >> and possible leans >> planning for discussion >> discussion and vote for we 92 00:25:55.919 --> 00:26:11.200 cannot stop him from giving an occupancy. You can you show me in the bylaw where it says we have the authority to do that and we did not put it in the order of conditions. >> Well, he just released half the site 93 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:27.440 without the whole site being done. >> You don't know that exactly >> really >> because did you was was Autozone done? No, there was a fence up. The grass wasn't in. they were still doing tons of 94 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:46.559 of things on that side of the site. So, yes, it it's it happened. >> Don't let me change your motion here. This is what I wrote down. If you don't like it, tell me so we can change it. Move that engineering verification of compliance 95 00:26:46.559 --> 00:27:16.000 of the entire site provisions for 314 Plymouth Street, including Starbucks and Autozone be presented to the planning board for discussion prior to issuing CO certificate of occupancy 96 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:32.880 for auto zone. Does that work for you or do you want to do something different or change it? >> That works. >> You okay with that as the second? >> Is that a motion? >> Yeah, that's the motion. >> Second. >> Okay. Moved and seconded that uh a 97 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:47.279 letter. >> Could you read it back, please? >> Yes. that a that a letter be presented to the um building inspector uh to that engineering and verification of 98 00:27:47.279 --> 00:28:03.919 compliance >> of the entire site >> sorry I can read it >> 314 P Street >> and then >> including Starbucks and AutoZone be presented to the planning board for 99 00:28:03.919 --> 00:28:18.880 discussion prior to issuing a CO for Autozone. I think that covers it and within the scope of what we can do. If everybody's still good with it, I'll ask for a we can do a voice vote. All 100 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:38.480 those in favor? >> I I >> All those opposed. Okay, moving on. I think we need to do that from now on. be really careful about the motions cuz we tend to keep twisting them here 101 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:59.120 and there and um I came today. Could I just ask a question about it? Chris, 129 Circuit Street. Um, but I just went there for the first time of the day to go to Starbucks. I noticed the storm water 102 00:28:59.120 --> 00:29:15.679 tension pond. I don't know if it goes in AutoZone. Starbucks. It just didn't look f It looked like just dirt dump to make a circle. No grass, nothing >> that on the Autozone side. >> It's kind of down the property split. 103 00:29:15.679 --> 00:29:32.399 So, I didn't know how is that how it gets left. Usually when I've seen other projects, usually gets grass, the stone down the bottom. It's all stable and nice. This just looks like sandy soil done to make like a frame. >> Which side? Which side of the If you on 104 00:29:32.399 --> 00:29:49.360 the street, where are we looking? >> If you were to go the wrong way cuz the arrows go the other way. Auto zone here and Starbucks here. It went straight to the back with this black chain link fence. >> Yeah. >> So, I don't know really what property it belongs to. >> Well, it's all one property. It just 105 00:29:49.360 --> 00:30:05.240 looks like they just scooped out sand and made a dirt sand berm and that's it. Just never seen a finished retention pond. >> I'd have to ask the engineer. I I can't answer that question. >> Thank you, Chris. 106 00:30:07.360 --> 00:30:27.840 >> Okay. And now the contin I keep coming back. continued discussions with jury joy regarding the zoning final review >> which I believe is on the select meeting 107 00:30:27.840 --> 00:30:43.679 to clear up um whether or not you actually have a board currently. >> I have a meeting with the selectman on the 28th. >> Yes, >> this is the next meeting. Yes. >> Right. >> Oh, the uh the next section you should have all received an email from me 108 00:30:43.679 --> 00:31:00.559 today. Yeah, I had that printed for everybody. >> Okay, we already print it up. But this is I have that this is uh this this is just marked. This is the next section. >> The next section from the the one we gave. >> The one after that is a signs, right? >> And I know uh we don't want to talk about sign. 109 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:21.760 >> And Jamie, your uh email come back to me. >> Okay. >> So I I >> Yeah, I tried to send you one too and it bounced back. >> If you could uh just write down what your email is. Uh, just make sure that I have the uh >> Caesar did. 110 00:31:21.760 --> 00:31:52.720 >> What's my email? >> Um, I think it's jam.walsh. >> No, I got to read. It's >> Thanks, Caesar. send you the right stuff. Uh you all 111 00:31:52.720 --> 00:32:08.399 just before we even get into this but the last meeting I gave each copy of the first 20 pages probably did anybody have any feedback or any problems with any of it? There was one thing. 112 00:32:08.399 --> 00:32:30.320 There was a reference to something that I didn't have the right page for. Trying to remember what it was now. Oh, maybe it was customary home business. Yeah. Uh, let's see. Accessory use conducted 113 00:32:30.320 --> 00:32:46.080 uh C1677D6. But when I tried to find that, I couldn't find it. Um because it was at the end of the schedule of uses. So I think the page just got messed up. >> Okay. 114 00:32:46.080 --> 00:33:03.039 >> What do you mean the definition? >> Uh >> did you have a reference? >> Well, I was looking to see in in the new iteration of this what 1677 D6 said. >> Yeah. When we look at it, both of them 115 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:18.159 pretty much are the same. >> Yeah. >> When you read through them, we're saying, why do we have two? >> So, what we w up doing is uh just combining it into one >> one. Well, that makes sense. But yeah, >> so that that's the only that's the only change to it because we kept on looking at it. I think the only one that was 116 00:33:18.159 --> 00:33:34.720 different was that uh you could have a sign if you were having a business type thing. >> Yeah. To restricted to a size, right? >> Exactly. Right. But I mean, you can do whatever you want. There's one that's legal in your house. We're not trying to change anything as far as that goes. >> It's uh 400 ft. I think the the ruling 117 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:51.120 part. You can have a studio in there. You can have uh whatever you want. I mean, a home a home most people work from home. That's really your own business, but you know, that's just your normal function of your life, you know. >> Yeah. >> So, this year we're just trying to combine it because we're looking at it. 118 00:33:51.120 --> 00:34:07.679 Why do you have two? >> I I agree. It just adds to confusion. Well, that that that was the point of it. So, we just made it into one. It it doesn't make any difference. You know, if you're going to have a business at your house, you got to go down and see the uh the building department. I don't know if 119 00:34:07.679 --> 00:34:24.480 you're going to do any changes or renovations or anything like that. You have to burn that. >> I I like the change in uh definition of agriculture because you included the most recent additions. >> Well, that's what we try to do, too. Legal was looking at them. and they 120 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:40.520 said, "Okay, you have to do this and there's a lot of other little things you have to put in there." So, we said, "That's fine. That's it's really not a big change, but it just gets us back into up to date, if you will." >> Yeah. Well, it made sense cuz that was definitely lacking. 121 00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:56.720 And I know this this portion is new tonight. Uh we don't have to go over if you don't want to, you can read it. But uh the big items I put down everything on that sheet that the email I sent to you as to where would we change things. Uh for the most part everything's been 122 00:34:56.720 --> 00:35:12.880 put into if there was something with commercial if it was in four different places we just put them under commercial. So we're trying to make it easier so if you're looking for something you're not going page after page after page everything is done under that one item. uh multif family housing 123 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:29.440 is one thing we have to look at uh for the verbiage and I know that uh you mentioned something about a another legal uh >> I have the actual court decision uh from the appellet court >> and I think that's something we all have to look at to make sure we put the right 124 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:44.320 language in there cuz I mean let's look at let's face it I mean it took 5 years for them to hash it all hash it all over to to find out what really is the the end result of this year it was confusing No question about it. 125 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:58.640 >> I've got four copies of it. Uh I can make another one. I don't need one. >> I think the agricultural um is actually lacking some of the things that are in agricultural. Like for instance, um if 126 00:35:58.640 --> 00:36:16.240 you look at 61A, the agricultural definition is includes a lot more than what is in this. >> Oh, sure. It probably does. You know, there's something like that. But that's why you don't bring this here. >> Yeah. By limiting it by limiting it, you're also limiting it possibly for 127 00:36:16.240 --> 00:36:32.640 people who come into the town, you know. So that's why I'm saying it needs to be expanded. >> So 61A is specifically for the exemptions. So that >> there is a lot of exemptions. >> There's also a lot. >> There's a lot of things that agriculture 128 00:36:32.640 --> 00:36:49.359 can do by by right, if you will. So I mean there's really not a lot that you can do. uh >> to prevent most >> there isn't much you can do to prevent a >> right that's pretty much >> but yeah if you have any please I don't 129 00:36:49.359 --> 00:37:04.320 want you to I'm not I'm not here to put you down or anything but if you have something please just put it in writing send it to me you know >> well I thought we were discussing it here >> yes we're discussing it but I'm I'm I'm 80 years old so sometimes may not 130 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:19.359 remember everything you're going to say >> right well I'm I'm taking notes and I thought that the purpose was that I would talk to you here so that you can keep notes and write notes too because that's what I'm doing. So I don't I I mean like you're asking 131 00:37:19.359 --> 00:37:36.720 >> I I would rather have your notes than than mine but then then there's no confusion on my part. For instance, like you reference district A's and district A, but in your 132 00:37:36.720 --> 00:37:53.119 district when you go to districts, it just says A a R. It doesn't say district. So to me, that's confusing cuz what's district A? Now, I I guess enumination of districts says AI, but 133 00:37:53.119 --> 00:38:08.800 it's a little confusing when you're here and it's district A and you got to look back say agricultural. Why don't you just instead of saying district A, why don't you just say agricultural, residential, any wireless communication and and not make somebody have to look 134 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:25.599 back to see what district A is. >> All right. So what you were saying is you want to put everything that's in in in the >> instead of like so for instance 1674 >> I it says in district A. Now everybody 135 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:42.960 has to go back and say >> do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, it should be >> instead of like district A cuz immediately I was like >> Okay. No, that's that's fine. That's that's what this is all about because >> items let's let's put them in >> anywhere it says district A, district B, 136 00:38:42.960 --> 00:39:01.760 like let's let's say what the district is instead of >> Yeah. Just so sees what what it is, right? Is that what you're saying, Amy? >> Yeah. Because it just it's like now you have to reference back >> and see what what are you talking about 137 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:19.040 and at first I'm like district A that you have to look at what >> and that doesn't even reference a R that's just a so >> okay >> yes in and other parts also it it doesn't even refer to them as A or R. It 138 00:39:19.040 --> 00:39:35.760 says uh what am I looking at here? Section five. It says from the planning board in commercial and business and industrial district allowed in agric. You know, it spells it out as opposed to like you were referencing. >> Right. I like it better that way because then you're not referring back. 139 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:54.200 >> Okay, >> that makes sense. >> And then the SHO senior housing overlay district is not the correct um complete bylaw. >> Which one was that? Um 16 D7 140 00:39:54.400 --> 00:40:10.800 4H. I have my glasses. Not used to this. Um it's not the full bylaw. I don't have the full bylaw with me right here, but I know that it is missing the cons um 141 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:32.000 conservation portions. So the one that was presented to the planning board for a hearing got amended and at the town meeting it had more sections to it because the motion of the planning board was to include 142 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:50.599 conservation. It didn't keep that out. >> Okay. >> So that is missing from SH page. Well, it says 16719 at the bottom. So, is that page 197? 143 00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:51.599 >> Yeah, page 19. It says it at the bottom. Sorry, but it's it's bylaw number 1674H. I don't know if you want to make a note in the um flood plane district. Sorry, I'm a little jumping back and forth, but 144 00:41:51.599 --> 00:42:08.720 the 167 page 14. So, enumeration of districts FP flood lane district. I don't know if you want to make any parentheses and I'm just putting this out there as maybe a thought process for everybody, but that the flood plane um 145 00:42:08.720 --> 00:42:24.400 is determined by FEMur and sometimes they send us the updates for the maps and that maybe like how am I going to try and say this that sometimes it would be referenced that like how try and help me work out the 146 00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:41.200 wording that FEMA updates and they send us what we need to update. Do you see say see what I'm saying? >> They periodically send updated maps. Yeah, >> maybe make a note of that somehow. >> Yeah, that should be in there somewhere because that when you say email it constantly changing 147 00:42:41.200 --> 00:42:56.000 >> always. This has nothing to do with us like it's just there. >> It's just a reference for the for someone to check that out. maybe some kind of a language stating that um 148 00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:14.640 FEMA updates this um >> periodically because I don't know periodic and to reference periodic revisions and updates. >> Yeah, that's that's a good point. >> Yeah, because like I say that changes constantly, >> right? And when we receive it, it might 149 00:43:14.640 --> 00:43:31.359 take a minute to get it there maybe just to cover it that Yeah. This is a flood zone and it didn't get updated in the bylaw and time blah blah blah. >> Yeah. Well, it makes sense to try to keep it >> at least it'll be there and and anyone any person that's looking for something that knows that they have to 150 00:43:31.359 --> 00:43:55.599 >> Yeah. >> check it to make sure it's updated. >> Basically, you're keeping the bywall alive. >> Sure. >> Or that particular section. >> I think it needs to be right. Jerry, I'm kind of jumping to the back. I had I kind of circled this. The special permit granting authority. What 151 00:43:55.599 --> 00:44:13.400 does all that mean? >> Um it's the special permit. Uh it's it's either the zoning or the planning board, if you will. >> Yeah. >> And what you're going to see in here throughout here and this was kind of a 152 00:44:13.680 --> 00:44:27.599 What page is that, Jamie? So I can cop I don't have page numbers. >> I don't have page numbers either. You didn't print anything up like this. >> What's at the bottom? >> It's uh I can tell you right now it's going to start on page uh on the second 153 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:47.920 page which is going to be uh >> 167 and then >> Okay, I got you. Thank you. >> That's that talks about the Aqua 4 and then gets into the >> you're going to see to see it throughout 154 00:44:47.920 --> 00:45:04.960 and the last building inspector seems all part of the uh the process uh was trying to get so that you're not jumping from planning board to zoning board to zoning board to planning board and uh 155 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:21.200 >> who is that you had like 80 >> Yeah, this is the last one I'm trying was I'm trying to think his his name. >> Ed Bailey. >> Ed Bailey. Yes. Yeah. Uh and he he was going just referencing other uh towns that he's worked in. And who who was in 156 00:45:21.200 --> 00:45:40.319 charge of uh the special perman? Um so you're going to see a lot of changes from the planning board to the zoning board. >> Every town does it different. >> Yeah. I was just going to say every town. >> So we were trying to just make it so that it was consistent all the way through. Uh 157 00:45:40.319 --> 00:45:56.960 maybe I just didn't want more work on the zoning board as a leader with the planning board. But you're going to see that there in a lot of a lot of cases throughout the uh where it's changed from planning board to zoning board. But I'm open for this whole thing. If you see if you think 158 00:45:56.960 --> 00:46:12.880 something should remain in the planning board, that's fine. Some towns actually have the planning board being the overall permit authority for signs. We should definitely sign. 159 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:29.359 >> I believe that's the way it was in here and it's gone. They've changed it to the to the zoning board >> reference. I would like to keep it. But the >> Well, not that I'm looking for more work, but I think that's the more appropriate place for it. >> I would agree with you because it's not 160 00:46:29.359 --> 00:46:45.760 a site plan. Yeah. And this will be any any sign >> like Cape Cod Cafe when they came into bring that up, didn't you? >> Crazy. We have to address. >> Yeah. 161 00:46:45.760 --> 00:47:01.680 >> Cuz he was there was a controversy going back and forth that and the plane board when you're doing this review and everything else in the building. >> They're talking about maybe we're going to have a sign. So then it would be in your realm saying, "Okay, this is the is 162 00:47:01.680 --> 00:47:18.319 our specs for it and this is this kind of sign you have." >> I'm not sure. It can go back and forth and you know, whatever whatever we decide to to do in this year, it it's fine. >> I I I think science gets so specific that I I don't even know that the 163 00:47:18.319 --> 00:47:34.640 building inspector wants to issue signs, even if they're straightforward. I I I personally don't have a problem with that being taken on by the planning board, but I I think this style and everything else is something that should be open to discussion. 164 00:47:34.640 --> 00:47:51.920 >> Sure. >> Of any size. I you know, I don't know how everybody else feels, but >> I agree. I signs. Correct. >> Amy, go to 16718 and go back a page. Oh, >> okay. Thank you for that. I guess I don't have 165 00:47:51.920 --> 00:48:13.680 really a opinion on either or. I was just curious cuz I saw this new SPGA kind of everywhere. So I was wondering what that was processing. >> I I know that plan board does drive 166 00:48:13.680 --> 00:48:36.520 throughs. Uh, I think unless that got changed over the years. >> No way. >> Or did we eliminate that over the years? >> No way. >> I guess is >> So where does it say who is 167 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:56.640 >> in in the schedule of usage, right? Or not schedule. I mean, it talks about what an activity is, but then I don't see where it states and planning or in my >> Do you have the print out Tom gave us today? I didn't bring my book. I didn't 168 00:48:56.640 --> 00:49:11.839 go home before I came here, but do you have this page that this one? >> Yeah, the big. >> Yeah. >> Cool. All right. So, I'm getting confused on. So, I'm looking at the one that what you gave us. >> That's this. 169 00:49:11.839 --> 00:49:28.079 >> Yeah, but I was looking at the one that you gave us this time. >> That's what I gave you this time. >> No, I mean this book. >> Oh, no. >> Cuz that's what I'm doing. >> No, no, that that this. >> Okay. So, now >> what I presented you tonight was what 170 00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:43.760 Jerry sent us. >> That's the one. >> That's the one. This is the one. see why I would be confused because we're using like eight different >> that's as so I think that's just as it exists now this is what they're >> this is what they're proposing in the crossouts 171 00:49:43.760 --> 00:50:29.920 >> I wonder why I can't >> this shows the crossouts that they changing now go all the way to the back of the I thought my glass was more dark. Actually, a shout out to Caesar. He actually I emailed him. They printed all this stuff out for us. 172 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:47.079 >> Excellent. That's good. I didn't bring that, but I only brought three. >> Yeah. Well, there's a lot of paper. >> No, it's a lot of paper. Yeah. I wouldn't expect you. >> And it's there's a lot to go through. Uh 173 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:22.400 We used to have um in part of our our local protection zone that it was only single families that could be built there. They wasn't that you couldn't you couldn't develop multi- family and other 174 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:40.640 it would just be a single family and an aquifer protection zone. I think that should still remain within our um bylaws to protect us from different things that are coming down the pipe from the state somewhere. That should be in there. I 175 00:51:40.640 --> 00:52:01.559 would have to reference back to our current and real bylaw that we use on a regular basis to find where it is. But I'll find it. I still think that should be in here. 176 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:56.400 I'm never going to be able to find that right now. >> Yeah, of course. That's how it works. Well, this is going to be an ongoing process. to make yourself >> fair to say. >> So, can I just ask this? So, this book here has nothing to do with what we're 177 00:52:56.400 --> 00:53:11.680 doing with you. But >> I don't know what book you have. >> No, that's just the zoning bylaws as they exist currently. And then this >> the only thing that isn't on this is just proposed. >> Correct. Yeah. So if you want to just 178 00:53:11.680 --> 00:53:31.680 write that on the top of that just so that you can remember straight >> because >> because I believe we asked Jerry if he had the cross outs that they changed and this is what from what I can see is what the difference >> right yeah >> but again this one just as a point order 179 00:53:31.680 --> 00:53:47.680 this one that you gave us yeah doesn't have the correct in it housing >> they were here and it was 22 and They just get in the other one really. >> That's where I was getting that from. >> Yeah. So, >> yeah, that's on the site. 180 00:53:47.680 --> 00:54:04.240 >> But yeah, >> but also this isn't because >> is it in here? >> That's that one that you printed and that's how I'm going to talk about it just so that we can verify between not not the one from today. We don't have 181 00:54:04.240 --> 00:54:39.599 like the district >> district. You're looking for the uh plane district regulations. Well, I think that I would like to move to go over this and go over it for the next meeting since I was using the wrong 182 00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:56.559 section because of the fact that >> that's fine. >> Y what would for the members that were on the planning board? What was the biggest drawback from not accepting the new bylaws at that time? Was it something like multif family or was it something 183 00:54:56.559 --> 00:55:12.480 to do with the aqua for like does does anybody remember what the big >> stick was site plan reviews um and how that went >> how it changed. >> Yeah. due to the fact that like it made it so 184 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:29.599 that there was like you come for this not for that but it was only determined it wasn't determined clearly it would be left um to too much gray area >> like just to I don't just want to interrupt at that point if there is 185 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:46.960 something that that you want to put into that recycling review >> yes >> write it down >> yeah know >> because this way here you're going to get that you want. >> I mean, we're looking at it and we're trying to come up with what they have legal and we we had the, 186 00:55:46.960 --> 00:56:03.680 >> you know, the building department also looking at it to come in and giving us what other towns are doing. >> So, this is specific to our town. So, if you want something in site plan review, you know, how how it should operate, how how it should go, terrific, 187 00:56:03.680 --> 00:56:18.400 >> right? >> Let's write it down. Let's let's let's clear the way once and for all. >> Yeah. I I uh in that same vein, the accessory dwelling use I think needs to be expanded to the point where um 188 00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:33.520 >> not impossible. >> Well, no, not so much that, but there's some review. For instance, if you have detached construction, the state allows you to have reasonable regulation of of accessory dwelling units. And one of them would be if you're going to do a 189 00:56:33.520 --> 00:56:49.760 detached structure, I think you should have site plan review. Um, and you can even do some things in terms of trying to keep it in conformity with the existing house and the existing neighborhood so it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. >> What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to find different other towns that have 190 00:56:49.760 --> 00:57:05.839 have put this in into effect. >> I just happen to have one. >> You do. Look, and I cuz I wanted to see what they what they wrote down so we can look at it and see how it's going. >> You might not want to use all of it, but it's a temp. The other reason that the site plan would be a great idea with the 191 00:57:05.839 --> 00:57:21.839 ADU is also due to like wells and septic systems because you know in especially in these towns that especially South Halifax with all their wells like you would really need to make sure that you're not sticking a house 192 00:57:21.839 --> 00:57:37.760 that has a septic system too close to somebody else's >> border health border health would typically be responsible for that but but you know in terms of how it's cited on property that you can reasonably reasonably regulate. Um 193 00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:53.280 >> what I have found out there's only seven states that allow you to use Massachusetts the last one to do it. >> What are the states? >> Um I don't I don't remember the right of the moment but Massachusetts think the weakest of all California 194 00:57:53.280 --> 00:58:10.319 >> because we say you have to comply with the community. Mhm. >> So whatever our setbacks are, you have to reply, you know, and you have to comply with our setbacks. >> Well, you still have to do that. >> You still have to do that. But we're the only state so far that is saying that. >> Yeah. >> And there's also a bunch of things 195 00:58:10.319 --> 00:58:26.799 legislation that's trying to go through right now that change that because they they want that to be changed because we're because they're saying we're too restrictive. He said this is not not a lot of ADUs is going to be built because of our setbacks. >> Yeah. Yeah. And if you have a less than 196 00:58:26.799 --> 00:58:43.680 40,000 foot lot, you can't it's tough enough to meet them with the main house. >> I don't care. >> However, they were all done with really like the restrictions are with good thought in mind because the subdivision control went in, 197 00:58:43.680 --> 00:59:00.960 >> but you know, like at the same time, the legislature shouldn't be doing local zoning. and they on July 8th made it that a renter, I don't know if you know this, um they're stepping into housing left and right that a renter can have up to 6 months to have first write a 198 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:16.000 refusal on your house if you rent them. >> What? >> Yes. July >> on the Well, like you like you say on the >> which is why we need to vote out all the incumbents that vote um vote voted for 199 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:31.920 this. Um Ken Squeezy proudly a Halifax um representative voted against it. He was one of very few. Our other one unfortunately she voted for it. Surprise surprise. Um but we need a new governor. We need all of this red tape that's 200 00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:48.880 getting thrown down on us from the AG to um the governor and the rest of them to stop because the our towns have are supposed to have local 201 00:59:48.880 --> 01:00:05.520 control due to knowing what happens in our towns and what our water supplies are and how our land perks. And it also is property protection. So when you buy a house, you all of a sudden like have all these rules and regulations that are around you that protect you. And that's 202 01:00:05.520 --> 01:00:21.760 why it's a two-thirds vote at a town meeting to change them. It's to protect your property rights. I bought here for a certain reason. This is what the realtor informed me of. And that's why I defend the zoning bylaws like I do is because all these people bought houses 203 01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:37.359 and they have the right to make the decisions which is you know I could go on and on about >> I can agree with you but what's what's what's happening and you have to look at some reality here too is that 204 01:00:37.359 --> 01:00:54.559 to change the the laws of the state is very difficult because I think you mentioned the last one of the first first thing I had. You were saying that Milton did not lose. They won. >> They did. >> But the end result is they lost. >> No, the end result is is that the 205 01:00:54.559 --> 01:01:11.119 current governor did an emergency preamble to change. That's the point of >> Hold on. Let me finish my my thought. >> She did an emergency preamble to change it to have punishments, which is against I mean, that's ty. I 206 01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:28.400 >> I'm not I'm not disagreeing. >> You don't bow to it. you get rid of them because that is not how what she's supposed to do. >> That's true. >> And that like so basically you need to get rid of those people who are tyrannists or else you just keep bowing 207 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:45.599 to the state then we'll be back prior to our um revolutionary war against England. And that is really a terrifying thought. >> The problem is there aren't enough people in opposition anymore. Actually, that's not true because 72% voted for 208 01:01:45.599 --> 01:02:02.480 the audit. 72% are pissed. >> That's growing to 82%. So, there is actually a huge huge outpouring. I mean, don't forget I'm running around the state right now. So, there is everybody is for a new governor. 209 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:17.599 >> As long as they get out and vote, that's the problem. We have plans to make it happen. Well, everybody's got an opinion, but >> it's now or never. >> It's now or never because the people just want to leave. >> I'm also a realist unfortunately. 210 01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:34.960 >> We can try and work around it. But >> this is the law. >> No, >> I know you say no, but the fight against you is very very tough and it's going to take a lot of time to do that. In the in the meantime, you have to try and work around the law to make it still benefit 211 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:50.240 so you can still benefit by our town. No, because the MBTA, as soon as you allow it in, it is an everchanging law like stretch code that you no longer have any control. They've already changed it and that's why we're against 212 01:02:50.240 --> 01:03:07.520 it. There is absolutely zero negotiations if you take MBTA housing. Zero. Because now, if you allow that into your town, right, they can change it. They have they've made it so that the uh you can't 213 01:03:07.520 --> 01:03:22.960 even consider what your water consumption would be. You can't even consider it as part of a site plan. So they tell you that you'll have site plan with a planning board and it's all a load of you know what because what the true factor is is that they don't allow 214 01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:40.640 you to have any decisions. You wave them and then the state can change that law. We We're going to get >> Yeah, he brought it up and I was finishing the I'm just trying to keep on track here, >> but I did motion that um we could pull 215 01:03:40.640 --> 01:03:55.520 this so that I could properly review it for sure. >> What I'm just trying to say here is we got a few things. There's one thing in here too that uh uh we have mixed use for developments where you can have uh 216 01:03:55.520 --> 01:04:11.680 that's uh 11 I think it is if you look at it. >> Yeah, cuz we've never addressed that. >> Yeah, I know that. And that's that's what I wanted to uh there's a couple of things in here I think I have to point out because otherwise you'll see them at some point. You're going to say, "Wait a what is this?" >> This isn't the material you gave us tonight. 217 01:04:11.680 --> 01:04:33.920 >> Yeah. Yes. >> Most of it's uh taken out or scratched out or >> it's number 11. This is my point. What I try to do was uh mark this up and I'm not the greatest of the computer number >> packet number 80. 218 01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:50.720 >> And the reason for this here, I guess there was a lot of uh requests for some kind of uh mixeduse housing uh in our in our area. There's been there's been some thoughts on it. So the building inspector and we started bringing up some of the uh possibilities of it. I 219 01:04:50.720 --> 01:05:06.480 mean unfortunately growing up in in in the city of Boston and everything else, you know, it was nothing for a guy to have a a bot store and he lived upstairs. That's excuse. >> Well, we we had um an application that um ultimately didn't happen because of 220 01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:22.000 extensions and whatnot um on that vacant lot on Plymouth Street up here. and his intent was to be able to garage his business vehicles in the rear of the building and occupy the front as a residence. So technically that's mixed 221 01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:37.200 use and and >> and >> did he do it in Kingston? >> He did it in Kingston I think. >> Oh I I don't know. I'm not aware of that. I'm just bringing up the fact that it comes up >> it does come up >> and then we have to decide if we want to 222 01:05:37.200 --> 01:05:54.079 deal with it. So we decided, okay, well, let's let's take something and put it in writing until we have something we can look at. >> Yes. So we have nothing in mixed use currently. Currently we don't allow mixed use specifically. >> And if you don't special permit from the zoning board mixed use, isn't it? 223 01:05:54.079 --> 01:06:09.839 >> No, I don't even think it's >> you don't even have mixed use, but but you still have to come to us, the zoning board if you're going to try and do some excuse. >> Oh, that's what I thought. >> Because you're going to get denied and then you're going to come to appeal. But if it isn't allowed in the bylaw and you can't do it, >> correct? 224 01:06:09.839 --> 01:06:26.079 >> Yeah. >> That was the only time that I can ever remember anybody coming in front of the town >> and asking us for it. Yeah. >> But I think he left because of the deal. not really so much with the um back >> the mixed use we did back in the day the 225 01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:41.440 the building across the street from the uh a lady of the lake church where there was a circumstance of a living upstairs and a hardship there and then >> that just exploded >> into something that was 226 01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:56.400 >> just pulled a bull over our eyes so to speak. >> Yeah, that was a whole >> Yeah. Well, that was like that for years. >> Yeah. >> What are we talking? Uh 2000s, maybe 227 01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:13.039 1990s. When did they he he showed up with his mother and his kids and the grandchildren and tears were flowing and uh uh if the occupancy happened subsequent to the passing of the bylaw, 228 01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:30.160 it's still a violation. you you know I there is no grandfathering of zoning unless it was in >> prior to 1975 >> prior to Yeah. Yeah. Prior to the zoning act. >> Well, I mean that particular building had apartments on the second floor. 229 01:07:30.160 --> 01:07:44.640 >> Yeah. I don't >> from back before 75. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was saying really then you've got pre-existing non-conforming use. >> Yes. >> But but had had it happened after that >> pre-existing non-conforming. >> Yes. Jerry, are you going to the board 230 01:07:44.640 --> 01:08:03.039 of selection to to see to see if the committee can be put back together or where that stands? >> How many members you got to be heard back from? >> It's been doing three people. The only one I have >> I don't have an email or phone 231 01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:17.839 after 10. >> I don't know how to get it. >> We all have the zoning that zoning violation, >> you know, email and I sent it to that email. was done after. >> So the board itself has not been reconvened. >> Not yet. No. 232 01:08:17.839 --> 01:08:36.799 >> You know what I mean? Since like the dawn of times. I don't think that somebody should be able to take that away from me. >> Forgetting my name. I'm just saying they've all said yes. Let's we put too much work into this and we've had vested by the uh legal. So I mean, you know, we 233 01:08:36.799 --> 01:08:52.880 just can't let this go. We got to get it done. >> Right. So, >> so have you checked with them as to >> what really actually has to happen in order for it to >> Well, I tried I was going to have it on the 14th and I had to postpone that. So, >> Oh, cuz you said the Yeah, the selectman. >> So, uh I'll talk to him on the 28th and 234 01:08:52.880 --> 01:09:09.199 we'll find out if one of them want to be part of it. I've talked to the building inspector and he's he's he's very busy at nights because he's got a lot of other things going on personally and but he said he would uh I can meet with him some someday in the afternoon and go 235 01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:25.839 over what we have >> and he just said okay because he's the guy that's going to enforce it. >> I thought he had emergency duty in um Halifax and that's why I had that vehicle. Well, as far as meetings, if we're going to meet some night, he's got something 236 01:09:25.839 --> 01:09:41.920 else going on, then it's, you know, >> it's not an emergency. >> Yeah, it's not an emergency. But in any event, he he would certainly look at whatever we have. And that's that's one of the key things. >> You want to get some feedback from whoever's going to have to come out and >> and enforce it. So, if we don't give 237 01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:59.920 them the right to enforce it, then we're defeating ourselves, too. >> And and extension of that is the language. The correct language. direct language would ask you one or the other. I mean, the other thing I want to keep everybody going here, I'm jumping all over, but science is the next section 238 01:09:59.920 --> 01:10:14.560 that I would do. >> Let's let's hold off on adding another I can hold off, but I just want to bring up one thing. One of the issues that were brought up is that political signs cannot be regulated. >> Political signs. >> Oh, yeah. They cannot. 239 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:30.239 >> It's first first amendment rights. Okay. >> They cannot touch it. >> Okay. But we have our bylaws and just like all the other towns have their bylaws and I started reading you know what the map with the state what what do you do in state what's their belief and 240 01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:46.719 they all say that you have to conform to the local bylaws. So in other words if we say that you you can put up the signs 30 days before and you got to get them down by 10 days after I I understand what that is in for because we want the 241 01:10:46.719 --> 01:11:03.360 place cleaned up. Yeah, >> we don't want but there's we're not we're not denying anyone that wants to put a sign in their lawn the state whatever they the the political affiliation is any time of the year, >> right? >> We can't we can't do that and we're not 242 01:11:03.360 --> 01:11:19.600 doing that. This is basically we don't want to have signs all over the streets, >> right? >> So there's a there's restrictions as to size and there's a restriction to I think it's two. I mean, that's fine, but you're not >> what I think what you're saying is, 243 01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:35.600 yeah, we're going to have these restrictions in there, but they're not enforceable. >> Correct. >> Yeah. I cuz it's come up. I mean, I've had I've been called out on 4x8 signs with foul language, if you will, on them. >> That was talked horrible. 244 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:51.760 >> And they're still protected. >> Yeah. I I know. And I and I did a lot of reading on it cuz when you when you read through this the sign bylaws, they're logical. I mean to me the logical when you go down to it, okay, you don't want to have any flags or any of these people popping up with the balloons and all. 245 01:11:51.760 --> 01:12:06.239 I'm good with that >> because that's not what the town is is is like >> so I understand all that stuff. It's the sizes they want. Uh there is a one thing we did correct in this year is the uh size of say Walmart because of the size 246 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:21.679 of the whole area they could have something like 8 ft high and you know huge sign you get another 25% for every 100 ft. >> Exactly. Yeah. So so it could it would be a huge sign. >> So and and you know obviously when you did the site review and everything else 247 01:12:21.679 --> 01:12:38.159 you restricted as to what kind of sign they can up there but they they still have the standard Walmart sign. But I think we we made a change in that there. But there's very few things that we changed in the in the bylaws because >> one one of the things I I I'd like to 248 01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:56.000 look at is internally lit signs. >> My case in point because you brought up Walmart when they first opened in 1997. I think it was 97 or >> there thereabouts. I had told them that the sound the town did not permit internally lit signs. And 249 01:12:56.000 --> 01:13:10.800 that's when >> you could have a light on but Yeah. >> Right. But that's when they used to have their big letters that internally lit red. So when they opened, of course internally. So I had to go down there and tell them, "You can't do that. I 250 01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:28.000 told you from day one that it's not allowed." So they came back and they put three uh lights to illuminate on them. It was the ugliest thing I ever saw. It looked like jacko'lanterns up there. Yeah, >> the red letters were so much more 251 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:45.760 attractive and and better. Um, it just reminded me of all that. >> Be careful what you wish for. >> Yeah. Yeah. But in some cases, I I I think the light on approach doesn't always work because we're in New England. We've got weather. These things 252 01:13:45.760 --> 01:14:00.960 get pushed over by snow and ice. They're aiming at cars on the street. there. You know, uh, one of the things we need to enforce though is shutting the signs off because I believe the bylaw still reads that the signs need to be turned off 253 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:17.280 >> when the building when the uh, business is is closed. >> U, but that's an enforcement thing. Yeah, >> but I I I had the the the internally lit sign has always been a problem cuz even when for instance 254 01:14:17.280 --> 01:14:33.360 Walmart, not Walmart, Cumberland Farms had their um gas pricing signs on top of the gas pumps, they were internally lit. Is that an internally lit sign? I don't know. >> Yeah, I think you know there are 255 01:14:33.360 --> 01:14:50.080 >> I I go back >> for the parking lot. I mean, they gave us uh all the survey all across the country. They only use 14 cars. That's that's all they really need. And we're telling we you have to put 100 in. So, I mean, 256 01:14:50.080 --> 01:15:05.199 yeah, we worked it out so that that they didn't have to put that many in. It's the same thing with signs. I think it's the same thing if if you can see the sign and you can decide, okay, this this here will fit our community, >> right? >> This this here may be fine. So, there there is options you can do. 257 01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:22.000 >> Yeah. The original intent of the sign by law was we were mimicking Pemrook because they they was trying to keep it a very colonial kind of look and and you know everyone was on board with that but the times have changed. Um you know we need to look at them individually I 258 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:37.360 think. >> Yeah. Well, it was meant to be a plan. Like the whole idea was that we would have the pear trees down the center and that there was classical looking clap boards on everything and that things would actually pertain to the zoning bylaws so that we would have had a 259 01:15:37.360 --> 01:15:53.280 beautiful town that people would want to come and walk around. That was the idea and the intent of it and it got destroyed. >> Well, a lot of things happened over the years. >> Yep. >> But okay, this is uh >> that's great. This is >> Thank you, Jerry. We're getting together 260 01:15:53.280 --> 01:16:08.000 on this. >> We're going to get this done. >> It has to be done. Has to be done. >> I think we >> spend a lot of time on it. We spent some money on it to get amended and everything else and whatever change we got to make in it. >> Yeah. I think it just needs some 261 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:24.719 personally just a few tweaks here and there and and it's already been a couple of years and things have changed, so we need to just kind of keep it fresh. >> Keep it up >> or as fresh. I don't know if you want a copy of that. >> Yes, I do. Uh I've got copies for the board if they want them. That's um this 262 01:16:24.719 --> 01:16:40.800 is happens to be Plumpton's. >> Okay. >> It's just a kind of >> No, that's fine. It's it's good to have some of these here because you you want to look at them even though we have our own rules. >> I have them. >> Okay. >> That's all we want to hear about, but you want to see how they how they written up. >> Right. Right. 263 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:57.239 >> Copy. >> Can I appreciate you having me here because I know I'm I'm a pain in the neck sometimes. >> No. No, we appreciate it. >> No, this is this is what we were hoping to do. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good job, 264 01:16:58.080 --> 01:17:14.960 >> Jamie. Do you care >> copy of this? >> I think I have one. >> You got one? >> Yep. >> I got uh 2027 fiscal year signature authority. >> Motion to give it to the chair. >> Do we need a second? 265 01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:37.320 >> No, this is for everybody to sign. Uh, let me let me find it. >> I did see it. >> Yeah, here it is. >> The bills. >> Yeah, those are the bills. >> She just wants a copy of our signatures individually. 266 01:17:38.320 --> 01:17:54.080 >> So, we're not motioning. >> No. >> Well, we are primary and >> use your right name this thing. >> Oh, okay. So, I'll motion a primary of Tom and a alternative for 267 01:17:54.080 --> 01:18:09.040 >> our signature authority. >> Okay, got a second. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded for the primary to be Tom Millius, the secondary to be Bert Gainner. All those in favor? I >> I. >> All those opposed? I said 268 01:18:09.040 --> 01:18:41.400 >> I Well, you didn't say no, so I took that as a no. 16. >> You can use It's probably in my hand. >> Oh, >> cuz I put my stuff away cuz I was like done with that. 269 01:18:44.719 --> 01:19:00.159 Okay. So, you'll sign in there and there and Oh, three times. Cuz you sign in there, there, and there. >> Whoa. I don't know if I could do all that. >> Should I do the bills while you're doing that? >> Sure. Let's get it done. >> Okay. I'll make a motion to PDA Planning 270 01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:18.880 Board. Um, I'm sorry. Make a motion to pay WB Mason invoice number 260270984 office supplies in the amount of uh $218. >> Second. All those in favor. 271 01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:37.520 >> All those opposed. I'll make a motion to pay PGD engineering um for construction review services on June 1st 26 to June 30th 2026 in the amount of 272 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:57.400 $4342. >> Second. Moved and seconded to pay PBG Engineering. All those in favor? I >> I thought you were three sponsors. 273 01:19:58.080 --> 01:20:12.960 >> Can you guys have it? >> That's the folder in both of them. >> So, I think you can handle that. >> You guys, what's next? >> Uh, meeting minutes. 274 01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:28.640 >> What? What ones? >> 64 and 618. >> A motion to move them to the next meeting. Do >> I have a second? >> I haven't reviewed either one. >> Yeah, I think the last time we you just hadn't had a chance to take a look at it. So, 275 01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:44.800 >> but I don't have them either. >> Uh, they're in the >> All right. Yeah, I'll take them home, I guess. I don't have them in my Maybe I do and I have to look again, but it's been a while. >> I think she sent I know she sent them >> probably, but 276 01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:59.120 So, I'm sorry. Was there a motion and you needed a second? What? Where are we? Move them to the August meeting. First August meeting. So both of them. >> Do we have a second? Second. >> Move and seconded to move the minutes to 277 01:20:59.120 --> 01:21:15.520 the August meeting. Next August meeting. Whatever the date is. >> Sixth, I think. Am I right, Brett? On the bottom. >> Where are we? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Yes. August. >> August 6, 2026. All those in favor? I. 278 01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:30.400 All those opposed? Unanimous. >> Make a motion to adopt. >> I like that one. Do I have a second? >> I'll second. >> Move the second to adjurnn. All those in favor? >> I. >> All those opposed. 279 01:21:30.400 --> 01:21:33.400 >> Excellent.