[Music] 20,25 located at 499 Plymouth Street which happens to be Town Hall on the second floor in the selectman's meeting room. I
also need to announce that the planet board meeting is being recorded by Area 58 and can be viewed on YouTube and Community Access Television I still believe is also a venue for it. I want to go off script for a minute and
I want to acknowledge the unfortunate and unexpected passing of Bob Valerie, the town of Halifax's health agent. um someone who uh legitimately uh could wear the title of a very nice man and uh
he's going to definitely be missed. >> All right. Um let's talk about the agenda. >> I'll make a motion to accept the agenda as presented. >> I'll second. >> Moved and seconded to approve the agenda. All those in favor I discussion.
>> Can we have discussion? >> Sure. Okay. Um, we don't I think we we're going to talk about um 318 um Plymouth Street. >> Yes, I was going to include that in the other business section. >> Should we add that as anything?
>> Um, we can >> do you want to make a motion to add the dis to >> and just think it was >> an update 318? Well, we just put it under dis what is other business the same as discussions
basically? >> Yeah, we can just say update on three. >> All right. Update on 318. Um I make a motion to amend the agenda to include uh 318 Plymouth Street. >> I'll second.
moved and seconded to update the agenda under other business to um to excuse me to update 318 Plymouth Street. All those in favors, please say I. >> I. >> I. I believe that's unanimous and we don't have to take roll call votes tonight
because we have a full board. Yay. >> Um so we need to now approve the agenda in total. So we have a motion and we have a second to approve the agenda. Do we still have those >> motion? Second.
>> Um as as amended >> as amended moved and seconded to approve the agenda as amended. All those in favor? >> I >> I unanimous. Moving on to our first appointment um
would be 539 Plymouth Street site plan review. You I believe you're ready. Yeah, somewhere around 539 street nurs. [Music]
>> So, this is one complete set. leave open to see [Music] >> I saw you happen to see you in conservation this afternoon is that squared away conservation on them they
already fire everything to Hong Kong just like wait I think it's going to be in November 4th the meeting it's already >> okay >> scheduled for November 4th but I just want to oops >> to you guys. So,
>> abandon conservation, you know, >> and I talked to as well and I think he sent something and I already talked to him the other day and show him everything. >> Yeah, we're going to we're going to need to get something from everybody. >> Yeah. Okay. >> In order to, you know, >> I think he sent he said to me he was going to send the email here.
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> I don't think she's gotten it yet. Um, >> no. What the >> the historical? >> That was historical you were referring to, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. And then Hong Kong is meeting on the 4th, you said.
>> Yes. But I'm If you guys can prove me, paint it on them. I mean, if they say no, you know what I mean? >> But 100 ft, you know. >> I think that's going to be a problem. >> What did you say about it? >> Have you talked Oh, I'm sorry. So I missed the part about you went to conservation and
>> they're they're they're going to hear it on the fourth >> on the fourth. But if you guys can look at we can be pinned on conservation conservation say no I can review with you guys. >> What I think I'm hearing is you would
like to have us approve this pending. Yes. >> Well we need >> Yeah. We've been kind of reluctant to do that. Um, >> we haven't been doing the process of doing that.
[Music] >> Well, I think even more so now because we don't currently have a building official, >> but I'm doing 300 ft shed six. >> Yeah, that that's not a problem. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, >> that's not a problem. We're concerned
with the whole size is the 100 And what I'm getting at is building official would be the one to issue a building permit >> and where we don't have one. >> Do we got to need to do the permit for the shed? 300 ft.
>> No. >> Well, it's within the 100t buffer. >> No. No. You're right. You're not going to need a permit for the shed because it's under 200 ft. How big is it? >> 300. 286. >> You will need a permit. >> What? What? I What? I don't need a permit.
uh commercial I believe is it's kind of crazy. >> I heard 300. >> I heard 300. That's why I did 286. >> No, unless it's changed recently. It used to be that residential was 200, but uh commercial was 120. I think unless
it's been changed recently. >> Okay. >> And that's what I'm saying. We don't have the building inspector here to not current on. Well, we also have to stay within the process in my opinion that if we say to one person that we can't approve it until conservation is we really can't
like keep going back and forth for different applicants. >> Yeah. And and included in that is the fact that you know whether it needs any storm water management or not. We're going to need something from them to tell us the storm water management is addressed. And it looks like it is. >> Yeah. They've got a physicist right here.
>> Yeah. But >> Oh, sorry. But then we also have to see whether or not they're going to be okay with placement on things. >> Yeah. >> Because some of this you weren't going to pave this. You were going >> not pave. It's going to be crushed on. >> I'm just making sure. >> Yes. It's going to be crushed on.
>> But they've still got some control in there. So >> where is the uh where was the sidewalk control on this >> sidewalk? Somewhere in there. >> It's right here. >> It's right there. >> It's right there. sidewalk.
>> No, I meant the crosswalk, >> the signal light. >> It's right here. >> Yeah, it's right here. >> We should have it on. Then we need everything within 300 ft on the map and labeled as who it is. You know, >> we have this, but we don't have across the street. That's 300 ft.
>> Is uh this curb cut there already or is that >> it's pre-existing? Yeah. >> So when you get deliveries for the for the mulch and the compost and the loom, are the delivery trucks that that are bringing it in to sell the product?
>> They can come right there. >> Okay. >> I thought Let me ask a question. Okay. Is this the only egress and that you have in and out of the property? >> Yes. >> So customers and deliveries will both be coming in at the same time. Are the trucks going to be able to turn around
and come out or they going to have to back out on the 106? >> No, they'd be able to come in. We don't have a space here. We got to have enough space here >> inside. >> You have a tree to be removed in the access that you said is already there. >> Because it's it's already cut on the
street, but the tree is in the property. >> Got you. >> You know what I mean? >> To make it >> to make that entrance, I needed to take this tree out and this tree out. So because right now it's it's a kind of on the like that the entrance is going to
be I'm concerned about that. He's not going to have a lot of room. I need to turn the truck around. >> If I need to open more this space well you know I mean it can do down here but I think we got to have enough space here. Are you having what type of
trucks? 10 wheelers bring you bring you bring a tractor. You're not bring the 10 wheelers or >> triax. Axle. >> But yeah, >> why you have such a big curb in here? So you can put product. >> Yeah, cuz I can I can have a little bit
more space here. I can take >> 100 foot right here. >> Yeah. But uh I think that's why we're going to conservation to get this buffer to be You know what I mean? >> Yeah. But if you're going to make it bigger for the turning around, you're going further into the buffer. And I
think that's one of the things that would need to happen. You can't turn trucks around in there. >> Is that a 50 foot bus buffer or >> It says 100. >> Okay. >> Here's the 50 back here. >> Yeah. >> How many feet is? So we have 22 space.
>> I think it says 62. >> Oh, thank you. >> We have 60 foot from here to here. 62. >> You know what I mean? It's It's not small this place. You know what I mean? We can go there and measure everything, but maybe
tight. >> What's the distance between here and there? >> 40 ft from here to there. >> I know. >> See that one? >> So, it's a Right. >> That's what I was asking. >> Can we get the measurement from here to
there? Here's the other question. And we didn't send this out for any kind of review. We >> Well, we just got it, right? >> Yeah. This is the first time we've seen a plan, right? So, we're going to have to get some review. >> So, Danielle,
>> what's up? >> Hey. So, this plan from Outback Engineering for um 539 Plymouth Street, we got it on September 30th and that automatically goes out to all the other boards with that system. Yes. >> Okay. Maybe we can remind them to send
in some um comments by our next meeting. Is there a way that we can just email the departments and see if we can get comments? Um they should be, like I said the other day, there should be an expiration date on it for them already. Um which gives
them, I believe, a 30 days to comment. And after the 30 days are up, um it'll automatically push it through. I'd definitely like to see Mr. Haywood's opinion of this as well as uh the police chief about, you know, the access of
delivery trucks and customers and stuff going in there. I be really interested to >> hearing their thoughts on that. >> That that's that's tight. >> I would agree with you, Brett. >> Yeah, I >> especially with the traffic going in the post office, it's already insane. >> And then the radius of a fire truck.
Yeah, that that's Yeah, I Yeah, we want we want the fire chief to look at this. >> Maybe it would be a good idea to just send a reminder out to make sure that they uh send us comments. >> Well, when when did we It's dated >> September 30th. So, it's been 18 days. >> When did we get it?
>> Danielle, when did we get the plan? >> I'm looking right now. Please just bear with me a second cuz my laptop's a little finicky. All right. >> Sure thing. Oh, right. Cuz we might not have gotten Oh, 10:13 October 14th.
>> Okay. So, if that's when it's stamped in, >> so 30 days. >> Everyone's got 30 days to to respond. >> So, then Yeah. So, in November, we have, which means that he'll be seeing um >> It looks like this came in 5 months ago.
Um April 16th. Yeah, cuz we did put in all >> Oh, you mean the original? >> Yeah. What? What are you asking for? The plans. >> The one that he just handed us. You have it uploaded in the system or somehow the system has it uploaded into the computer
here for our files. We have it on the screen. Um, do you want me to share screen with you? >> No, it's all right. I got it over here. Um, >> says 10:14. It's stamped on. >> You're saying his application came in at that time, right, Daniel? Yes.
>> Okay. Yeah, we were really kind of referring to the plan, but it's stamped in October 14th. So, if we actually got it on the 14th and it went out on the 14th, we wouldn't necessarily have a deadline of return comments until the 14th of November.
Does that sound right? >> I think I keep her. >> Uh, let me go in and see. I don't know if the system's designed like that. upload something new. >> Still working on some kings in there. But let me just take a look real quick >> cuz I think at the original filing I don't we didn't have I don't think we
had planned >> no >> handed drama. I gave her another one smaller than this one the other day. Well, maybe a week I think. >> Yeah, that'll be the 14th. >> That'll be the 14th. >> Yeah. Let me see. Yeah,
14. No, two days. Let me hear longer than that. >> Yes. >> Well, I don't know. This got stamped in. Um well, whenever she sent it out, in any event, >> if you even if it was beginning of last week, we're still looking at a month from that date. U
>> for everyone to return any commentary >> and you know, if I need because I have a space back here too, if I need to open more space back here, well open more space so CHS can flip it over with this. All this space here is commercial back here. I
need to change anything from here to here. I will >> if that's makes easy. I'll make this whole thing. You >> might need a turn. >> Yeah. I make this whole turn space. >> So, as a EU, you know what I mean? Yeah. I just It's just eat my money. But I Well, do this. You know what I mean?
This is what you guys want. >> Is this street back here or is this a field? >> No, there's no trees all clear. This whole space here is commercial and I understand. I'm just saying >> I can make a street like >> you might need to put in a little or turn. It's not what we want for
>> Yeah. But like for this is >> we have to do it. You know what I mean? >> I you know like if I have to do it like like you know what I mean like nice >> like >> I think I think he's going to have to. >> Yeah. >> I don't see how anyone's going to turn around.
>> And if you're going to do that maybe you'd have to move and come back in here. >> Yeah. That's fine. Maybe I move this and put here, >> you know, so I get more space. >> That would be better. >> Oh, yeah. >> All right. Maybe even reconfigure the
>> Yep. No, I don't think so. >> Because all the water it's it's how the land is. >> It's there. He has to keep this. But we can open more here. Then I can change this to here. >> You know what I mean? >> Well, here's here's a outside 100, which
is helps with conservation. whatever's going to make easier for me to get this going. It's almost a year, you know. >> Yeah. Well, I'm looking at this and I'm going, this is going to take a little longer cuz we're going to wait for some >> some commentary from everybody and then
if you have to make some changes, you're going to have to get them changed on the plan and come back again. >> What do you think I should do then? >> Well, you're going to have to wait at least until >> Wait then >> or or if you want to, you know, take >> I'll wait. I'll wait. Yeah, I can wait that anyways >> or take it individually to some of the
other boards if you want to go see the >> fire. Should we wait till we hear that? >> Conservation. >> I'm going the on um November 4th. >> Okay. I think we have a meeting on November 6th so I can try and have it
all wrapped up by that date. Um >> Yeah, >> if you'd like. Yeah, that's better because that way if I have to refigure this whole thing, I refigure the whole thing. >> Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, that's what I'm trying to suggest to you is you might want to talk to some of the people most
involved in this. Um, >> who's the people I want? >> Well, you you had a comment about the police andor highway. You should talk to them and the fire at the same >> and fire. >> Well, that's what the whole need to see what he should do to change.
>> Exactly. That's the only reason we get comments. We really should be getting the comments here so that we >> Yeah, but our protocol is to send it out to a peer review engineer. If they look at it, give us their comments and talk to people and make the changes before it comes back
>> and then send them out again and make sure that they're happy with what they >> as opposed to keep doing it. >> How much frontage is there? I don't see a measurement on the frontage. >> Yeah, that has to be on the plan. >> Huh? Is that what you guys are looking
at? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Oh, wait a minute. If we have There's another page that exists. >> Yeah, there's a table here. >> Oh, okay. >> This is what we're looking at. >> Yeah, there's some uh >> maybe the front is here.
>> Thank you, please. >> It's 100 ft. >> I don't see >> it's more than 100 a little bit. I I don't see I don't see a number. But >> you can get that adjusted onto the plan.
That would be good. >> It's not even on the >> Yeah, there's one more page. >> I think Caesar's got a one of those. >> No,
>> Jamie. We're not hiding this from you. >> No, it's here. It's just a little tough anywhere. I think that stays hung over here. scale. >> Um, >> but I can't see with this in >> Oh, it says 61 by two.
>> No, but here on this um Yeah, right here. 61 by two. I think the entrance but 100 ft from this um this line. >> So that's that's one of the measurements of like the drive. So you don't
>> Yeah, >> it's easier to see on 60 by two. Does that say? Yeah. 60 by two. >> Yep. >> That's not the front edge though. So, the frontage would have >> and it would have a you know a measurement there. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> What was the other question? Can we send it out for review? >> Well, we can and then we he'll look at all the bylaws and send it back. >> Yeah. That's what I'm getting. I mean, we make anyone else do it. >> We have to.
>> We have to anyway. average. >> Yeah. Well, get into >> Okay. >> But >> do we have a revolving account? >> No, I'm sure we don't. >> Have you So, we'll need you to make a revolving account so that we can have
our engineer or not our engineer, but a an engineer do a peer review using our bylaws and looking at your plan and making comments based on his knowledge. You could ask if we have this
electronically especially Daniel send a copy to 15 >> and ask them for a quote. >> Yeah. And then get an account on >> Yeah. That way we know. So we're not over. >> Yeah. No, it has to be front. Yes.
>> I'm measuring 150 ft approximately >> of frontage, you know, >> which would be right cuz when that rule >> when that got subdivided because I think it got 20 ft in 40 something like that on the entrance. >> They subdivided that out when they put
it up big enough. >> Oh, really? Yeah. >> Yeah. I remember that whole scenario. >> Yeah. I think something like that. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What's open? But um I can call him tomorrow and make sure
he put the the front in there. You want to make >> Well, you might need to make other changes, too. So, you might want to No, I'm not telling you how to do this, but >> No, you have to tell me cuz I >> Well, I'm going to say you might want to hold off until you get some more feedback. So, you >> have to keep doing plan upon pump plan. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it cost you money every
time you go to your engineer to redo it. You'd like to give it to them. Here you go. make all these changes >> all at once. We're done with it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That that's >> I agree >> how I'd want to do it. But >> cuz I I I think this is a little bit problematic, especially these are all
full. I mean, I suppose you could back up into the parking spots. If there wasn't anybody in the parking spots, >> right? >> Um if he's got the lane up top, he might as well >> Yeah, I might as well use it. Especially where it's clear. I mean, you're going
to have to >> take out this, you know, >> nothing loom and top soil, but not the sub soil, but >> and he'll Yeah. I mean, yeah. And we'll have to have a notation on how many employees the parking by on here.
>> So, yeah, I I make a motion to um send this out to Pier Engineering. >> I I think while you're waiting to go and get comments from everybody else, Danielle, do we have this electronically? >> Yes, I have it up on the screen. >> Okay. Yes, we do. So, we could send it
out. I mean, I'm assuming we'd want to use Pat Brennan. Is that >> Well, we Who are the other choices? >> Not really. I mean, unless we put it out the bid or something. We should do that yearly anyway, but um I think for the time being, I think Pat's I have no problem with looking at this unless
someone has a concern. >> Um we could send it off to Pat and get a quote of what you would want to do to do the review work. That way, you know what it's going to cost. And then you'll have to come into the town hall and set up a revolving account so that um and put
some money in to have the engineering peer reviewed. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I think Daniel open direct I paid that for the >> con. Yes. >> Who's doing the PR engineering for the concomy
or is this >> is this his copy or our copy? Yeah. He's presenting this to us. Yeah. All right. Do we have um what do we have for a time frame? Do we need an extension? >> So on set
>> we have he is 11:15 2025. So we have >> we have at least two weeks. >> No, we have one meeting. >> So we have one more meeting. >> Yeah. Okay. So we can extend it. But don't forget if if it starts getting late, you want to ask for an extension
before the next meeting >> No, hold on. But I'm going to see the conservation of four foot. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> And we meet the 6th, right? >> Yeah. >> Metro is the sixth. >> Yeah. >> And the town has um until 11:13 to get
the >> What about conservation and the people's got to look at this for conservation? >> Yeah. You you might be okay. They may be able to >> That's what I'm saying. >> Get you squared away for Hong Kong. >> Yes. But still But they still got to get squared away for you guys,
>> right? Correct. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We should start that process. >> It's a hard process. I I I >> Yeah. I never do have to go that the other this other process, too. >> Well, if you didn't have conservation on the land, any any buffer zones on the
land, then you wouldn't have to be going to conservation. But now you do have you have 150 foot buffers on that land. So, we that's why you're going to conservation. in conservation approved me and the fourth doesn't matter. We still have to go through review on this.
>> Yes, because you have storm water management too. You got to you got to take the >> I think conservation is doing a nice >> Yeah, they're going to look at that too. But that's part of the site plan. We have to review it as well. >> Okay. Because that's what I paid them to 700 to to check the storm. >> So I'm hoping that it's the same
engineer because that'll help. >> Oh yeah. >> Okay. >> You'll have to do it anyways. even like say you didn't have conservation, you'd have to do it with us for all the other bylaws like radiuses and things like that.
>> Okay. >> I I know it's disturbing, but but it is what it is. >> It's a way to protect us in the town. So, >> 100%. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And this is the first time we've seen a full plan. So,
>> and we've got until what we sometime in November before we even get comments back. >> 13th. Yeah. 15th. Yeah. >> Then the third scene the six. Why we don't Yeah. Going to keep to the six to
come back, but maybe you're not going to get the coms by the six anyways. >> Danielle said that she was going to try to get them from all the boards for you to help you out. >> Okay. Then if we get that, that'll helps because then that way we know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Exactly. >> Sounds good. >> Yeah. Yeah. But then we're still going
to have to get some feedback from from the review engineer with any changes that whoever gives us feedback wants to put on the plan. >> So, you know, it's not it's not likely you're going to be squared away on the sixth, I don't believe. >> Yeah. >> So, you might want to ask for an extension anyway. >> That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
>> Just but but by this before the 6th, >> if it doesn't look like you're coming in that night, at least see Danielle and ask for an extension. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Before the sixth because >> Yeah. Or on the Yeah. on the 6th, the day of the 6th, but before the meeting. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> All right. We'll put you on the agenda for the 6th anyway, even if you're not coming in just to reasonable to everybody. >> A motion to send it to Parine. >> Yeah. >> All right. I'll make a motion to send 539
Plymouth Street um PSPR25-3 to PR Engineering with um PGV Engineering >> second. >> Did you want to just do it with a quote or do you want to have it done? >> Oh, >> are you going to want to have it done,
right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Say it to him. But he you give me a quote, correct? Like >> Yeah, we're going to we're going to try to get you a quote, but we're going to have to have you do it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. So, >> okay. So, >> so you want me to amend to just quote it? >> No, I don't think so. >> No, cuz it's still going to go.
>> You You're going to want us to PR engineer it, right? >> Yeah. Okay. >> But we'll tell you how much it's going to be. >> He doesn't really want us to, but we want to >> We have to. >> We have to. Let's just say that. >> When you send you call me, you guys, somebody will tell me how much it's going to cost. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
>> Okay. That's fine. But you guys can send it. >> So, so we have a motion to uh send um PSPR25-3 to review. Do I have a second for that? >> Second. >> We have a motion to send PSP-253
and a second to uh send to peer review engineer. >> All those in favor? >> I I >> I hear that is unanimous. Thank you. But keep keep in mind if it's going to go past the sixth and you want to get an extension, you have to ask. I might I
might talk to Kyle tomorrow. My voltage tomorrow person talk to him and see if we can come back at the site and measure it like where the beam's going to be, where the trees going to be. So, it's probably going to be some type of law how much space I need to flip the cars. >> Yeah.
>> You know what I mean? If it is, I'll make it and I'll move maybe I move all the trees to the back. >> I think a big >> like you see the trees we have on that side. I might move into the back and I have that all open. >> Yeah. You should >> get some feedback from some of the people involved in this, in particular
the fire department because if he has to, you know, you got mulch on fire out there and he has to get a truck in there. He wants to be able to maneuver out there and get around and turn around and get out. >> Yeah. But if I take this >> Yeah. Take the plan. >> Now I can keep this with you. If I take
this here, this whole thing here on this front, I see how I have this and I and I don't leave nothing here. Just be open. >> So now I got a space. Yep. Well, you can talk to your >> talk to your engineer and tell him to start looking at everything that's going
to be required on this, but we're still going to get feedback from everybody and you might want to reach out to them anyway. >> Oh, I will. >> All right. I I'm not telling you to do that. I'm just suggesting you >> appreciate it. >> So, um we're going to put you on the
agenda for the sixth. And if if it doesn't look like you're going to have anything ready for the 6th, make sure that you come in and ask for an extension before this the end of the day >> on the 6th. >> Okay. Cuz it's up to you to ask for the
extension. And if you don't ask, >> it's bad. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thanks. >> All righty. >> You're getting closer. Now you have the plan. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All righty. Moving right along, a uh
continuation of PSPR 25-4, 590 Mont Street, site plan review. And I think I saw somebody here. Am I late? >> Announce who you are, please. 591 Bonet. Great. [Music]
Thank you. >> So, it's basically the same side plan. Um, we only changed a few things here. [Applause] >> Oh, thank you. I was thinking of a question to ask you
this afternoon. And so if you leave it in the same configuration and you're not going to seat on a deck. >> Yeah. We're not going to you're looking at 50 seats
and two two seats per spot. 25 spots. Four employees. Two spots. Does that include the coffee shop, too? So the coffee shop will be closed when it's events at night or if it's like during the day on the weekend coffee shop will be closed. Yeah, that that was a concern
I saw immediately and I that would end up I believe I would recommend that that be if this comes to fruition a stipulation in the in the approval that um the event venue would not be
operating at the same time as the coffee shop was open and operating because that will defeat your parking situation. >> Mhm. >> Are you going to have any seating in the um coffee shop? >> Yes. And so the seating in the coffee shop was shown prior but it would only
be during the day and it would be closed. >> Yeah. And I don't think >> when was it? >> Didn't even come close to 20 20. >> No, I think it was only 15. >> Yeah. >> So only 15 12 to 15 seats in there. >> Yeah. >> So the occupancy of the building would be 50. >> Right.
>> So >> total. >> What is this red on the roof? I'm xing it out because remember I said we were going to get the plans done. They're not 100% done. >> Yeah. >> But he sent those late last night and I redexed the roof because I'm not doing
there's no roof on the deck. >> But you are doing the deck. >> Yes. Because the deck's approved by conservation. A roof on the deck is not a roof. >> So it's the deck is not going to be enclosed. >> Not enclosed.
I think >> I don't want to go back. >> Maybe you should show a seating chart on a different plan with this and and show what what it would look like during the day or during Sorry. Whenever the coffee shop is open.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. Just so we can determine that. >> Yeah. I mean, there's there's a seating plan on the floor. >> Oh, >> it's from the last meeting. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Yeah, but I'll adjust it. >> It should be shown in the plan. >> Is it in here anywhere?
>> No. >> So, without the roof on it, what is going to be around the outside of the deck? >> It's just a rail cable rail. a cable reading. >> Mhm. >> Well, that's all going to be to code it. >> Yep.
>> Yeah. Will look nice. >> Yeah. Because the the prior building commissioner had no problems with it and then he saw the seating outside. So then he changed his mind. Not changed his mind. He went by. >> So we went back to knock and closing the
door. No seating out there. >> Okay. So that would also be a stipulation. So, we're not talking about any valet parking or any of that. So, there's none of that to be dealing with thankfully cuz that could have been a little bit of a bear as well.
>> Have we sent this out to comments for any other boards? >> I think we did that, didn't we? >> Yeah. It's the original comments because >> it's the original site plan. >> We don't have the full plan like commented on by everybody, right?
Cuz it's been changing all along. I don't know if that matters to anybody, but >> Well, the site isn't changing. It's >> And they haven't changed the parking or just >> I haven't changed. I haven't changed the side at all. >> It's just the use of who's been on,
who's been off. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, basically goes back to the original site plan. >> Okay. >> We just dropped the occupancy. >> Got you. >> Yeah. >> As far as the occupancy in the coffee shop goes, that's going to
>> it's basically the building itself, 50 occupants, four employees is like the maximum. But but even in the coffee shop, you you wouldn't necessarily get 50 people in there anyway because the the the schedule of seating versus whatever is
also dictates how many people can have the coffee shop and may not even come anywhere near 50. I'm just looking at it. >> If it's 50 people, it's that's a good golf show. >> Yeah. >> Go back. So, we need that number. >> You're not putting in an elevator,
right? >> Um, we actually have to with second floor access. >> Oh, it is a second floor. That's right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You're going to you're going to have to you're going to Yeah.
I'm going to have to take care of handicapped accessibility. >> But that would be with building, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> I mean, you're showing it on the plan, which is what you needed to do. And again, stipulation that there would
be no no service of any kind on the deck. >> No seating in service or just you could seat out there, but you couldn't service. >> Sorry about that. >> What does the technically mean? >> Sorry. >> Huh? >> What does that technically mean?
>> That means you can sit people out there. >> They can take their food and take their drink and go out and sit out there. >> Okay. But but you can't have a waitress go out there and and serve food or drinks. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Cuz we had even talked about the >> the possibility of a of a portable bar
not ever happening out there. >> Mhm. >> And and we limit you to 50 people so it isn't like 50 people inside and 50 people outside. >> Okay. Just just making sure we're all people for the entire lot. >> Yes.
>> Plus four employees. Right. Mhm. I think that ended up being what? 27 parking spots. >> Yeah, it's 27. So 25 for 50 seats >> and two for the employees. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And the four employees is realistic for the 50 people.
>> Yeah. >> Because it's not like we have a full kitchen. It's just >> Right. Right. Exactly. >> It's going to be catered and set up and and abandoned >> in the coffee shop. It's going to be catered muffins and things like that as well or
>> Yeah, we're not doing we're doing a very not like a >> trying to think of a local maybe Sandy's coffee corner. >> Are you going to do donuts and stuff? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, but you're not baking. You're >> No, you're bringing in >> are you going to get really
That's in the back. >> Oh, so never mind. Not Sandies. Do you know P in Norwell or like handover? Similar. Um, really good cinnamon raisin bagels. Just saying. >> Is that a condition? >> Yes, condition.
>> Oh my god. >> No service provided on the deck. So I I'll be all right with um the things that we have stipulated and then on the plans that we receive like back that we can sign having the roof taken
off that you showed us tonight with a red and showing us the seating because basically two different seating plans. So like one for events >> and one for when coffee shops open. >> Yeah. upstairs. Is there going to be any
furniture or is it just going to be like fun dance floors? >> Slide open. >> And no bar up there or anything like that? >> No. >> Just to clarify for me, the coffee shop, your seating is going to be on the coffee shop side, right? You're not
going to open up the event side for coffee shop seating. >> So, we are >> So, I brought up two different seating plans because there might be actually three. Okay. >> Because if they don't do events, say they don't have a rented on that side, then uh the idea would open it up and
then do like small little like >> classes. >> No, not classes. There's this place in Franklin and they do like a um I think it's margaritas on like Wednesday night or something, but it's like small. So then the coffee bar would turn into a
bar. >> Which brings up an interesting question. you know, as opposed to an event license for liquor. Are we looking for a full liquor license or >> Mhm. >> Okay. Is there one available? >> Okay. All right. That's not necessarily our issue, but
>> you could have like open music nights, too, right? >> Correct. Open night. >> 50 people. >> I just want to make sure we get that in there. That's it. >> So, what about like any classes on the second? >> You want to do like classes, pop-up
shops, stuff like that? >> Oh. >> The 50 people in the one area is only for like small ws. >> Yeah. Or like or something. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> With the coffee shop plans and the roof
off the plans, then I'm good. Could that be >> with the other stipulations? >> Yeah. And the other stipulations. >> Anybody else in here? Yeah. >> Is this all sprinkled? >> No. >> 7,500 ft. I don't think you've come even
close to that. >> No. >> I mean, sometimes the occupancy determines it, but I'm sure the fire department is going to require you to put in a system. You have to have a monitored system. >> Mhm. What do you think, Jamie?
>> I like it. >> Yeah, I think it works. >> Yeah, I think it works. Yeah, >> he's done everything we asked him. >> Bruce, >> I'm I'm fine. >> Okay, >> that's good. >> I'm going to make a motion. >> No, absolutely.
>> Um I'm going to make and I'm going to just be specific in the whole entire thing. So, put a couple things here. I mean, you can put your um provide a plan showing the roof off and you know
>> Yeah, that's going to do. >> Yeah, put those. But I want to make sure we have >> Okay. >> Maximum occupancy 15 >> plus four employees. >> Mhm. >> And no roof. The only thing I the other
thing I don't see on here you might want to consider you're going to have to mark the handicap parking spots. >> Oh, yep. >> Yeah. Okay. I >> It's not on this one. It's on this one up front.
>> Okay. The um the building inspector should make you mark on the ground and assign. So, okay. That would be something that it's by code though too. >> Yeah.
>> But did you have something that you wanted to >> specifically the bagels >> as a condition mentioned that uh it would say right on it as a condition there is no valet which they said they stay. >> So I was going to repeat all of this
stuff is that work and then add the stuff. >> Y >> okay there'd be no service on the deck. >> Tom >> Yep. Um, I was just looking at the minutes from the last meeting and it looks like the building inspector um recommended that any kind of seating on
the deck um be fully enclosed. So, I don't know if that's something you want to take a look at or >> any kind of I mean I obviously in the winter months I mean you wouldn't be doing it but >> I don't I don't >> that's why I asked question to be honest I didn't want to ask open a can of worms
but he said >> I don't see >> he wouldn't give an answer if we had seating outside. He wouldn't give an answer if they took the food outside. >> Yeah. >> If that's considered open air. >> Yeah. I think that's how I remember his commentary. >> That's exactly how I remember. He said,
"As long as there was no service outside, if you're taking something outside u which I liken to Taco Larry >> or like uh Rodney yeah I I I don't think that's an issue for us."
>> Really? A person can buy a sandwich and go sit outside in the parking lot. What's the difference of them sitting on the deck or the back lawn? >> When I go to McDonald's, I eat in the car. I don't know that. >> You go to McDonald's, >> you're in violation, buddy. between cinnamon bagels and McDonald's.
Pardon me. >> What do you have for conditions uh over there? just for breakfast. >> I think uh as long as I hit all hit the ones I >> um no service seating on the deck, no bar outside, max 50 people um for the
um in for the entire place lot >> plus four employees >> because of the outside comment plus four employees, 27 parking spots. Um, please have a page showing the tables in the coffee shop and noted and note
occupancy. Um, >> and then Nova and the removal. >> Yeah, that's going to be on here. Removal of the roof on the plan. I just have that on the plan. >> Come on. We can come up with some more conditions. >> Wasn't Wasn't Wasn't that it's strictly
catered? There's no uh >> Yeah, that'll be on here. >> That's on there, too. Okay. >> Sorry. Don't be sorry. >> Should have let you finish the whole thing, but >> No, it's okay. I understand. >> Events can't be >> build in any um so >> going on while the coffee shop is open. >> I'm sorry.
>> The vent? No event while the coffee shop. >> I have a question that actually. >> Okay. >> We can have an event as long as it's like below 50 people in the building. Correct. Like you could have the coffee shop open and then you could have say
you wanted to have like a meeting upstairs with 10 people. Well, then the maximum market you would see of 50 would cover 50. >> That makes sense. >> Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I'm >> I'm okay with that. >> So, we just have to have a pocket on the building that says max max occupancy of
50. >> Yeah. Well, when you get your certificate of occupancy, the building official should give you a certificate of inspection and maximum occupancy in >> list. So, >> okay. >> So, should do you want a stipulation on there? no events at the same time the
coffee shop is open that kind of talked about we've got it covered with a maximum of 50. >> Okay, cool. We should go there. >> All right. So, I will make a motion and I'm going to use that plan. Right. Yeah. >> Um I'm going to make a motion to um
accept OE-4152 plan for 590 Plymouth Street. >> Mit. >> Oh jeez. I'm sorry. We've been saying Plymouth Street. 590 M Pontet Street.
Sorry. >> Um I'm looking for a date on this. >> I think it's 317. 3:14 2025. >> Yeah. With the conditions of stipulations of
no seating on the deck, no exterior bar, >> no service on the deck, no service, >> no service on the deck. Max 50 people on the entire lot plus four employees, 27 parking spots,
two handicap. Um remove the roof that's on the current layout of um plan that you handed in tonight >> of the deck >> of the deck. >> So the roof off that deck. Good point. Um,
please have all the tables laid out on another plan for the coffee shop and have it noted occupancy on that side by the building with help from building. Um,
>> and I >> no val >> and and yes, I'm getting on to this one. Thank you. All events to be catered. Seating of 50 will only be for special events. Coffee shop to be closed during
special events. Deck will remain open and have no sales outside. Sorry, some of these are repeating, but um and no valet to be specifically noted on the plan. >> Okay. Do we have a second?
>> Second. >> Yeah. Um, it's been moved and seconded to what Amy just read. >> Okay. >> It's all written here. >> And and where this is a site plan approval, I'm going to ask for a roll call vote. >> Okay. >> Um, Jamie Walsh,
>> yes. >> Bruce Sylvester, >> yes. >> Brook Gainer, >> yes. >> Tom Millius, myself, yes. Amy Trup, >> yes. >> Sounds unanimous to me. >> Good job. I'd also like a motion to allow the U chair to sign for the board.
Sign the letter. >> I would actually like to review this where it's so expensive like the letter written. >> That's fine. >> That won't happen till the next meeting, but it's been Yeah. So, but you need to provide that plan so that we can sign the letter and sign the plan at the same
time. >> So, can I put it in the portal? >> We're going to need a hard copy. >> Yeah, we're going to need a hard copy so we can put it in. If you want me to drop it off or do I have to come to the next meeting? >> You can drop it off. >> You can drop it off. Just drop it off. >> Yeah, you don't have to be here. >> And then I have a question. It's off
topic. What's the Is there a new new building commissioner or no? >> Uh my understanding is that somebody has agreed to um work on a interim part-time basis starting tomorrow or Monday. So there will be somebody I I believe it's the current building inspector in the
town of Carver. >> Okay. >> So somebody at least from the area. >> Okay. who's familiar with the town administrator. So that's that's a plus for you guys want to keep those. >> I don't I don't need all of them. >> We should have at least one copy. I
don't know we need them all. >> You keep you keeping one in >> this should be I'm going to keep mine. >> This is the file. >> Do you want to write the other I said on it? Do you want me to just I'll drop off retyped with the added items, right?
>> I'm sorry. >> I'll drop off retyped with the added items. >> Yeah. Good. Thank you. All right. >> Congrats, Matt. Matt, >> you look like you have a question. >> It's going to be exciting. >> Measured. It's 162 furniture. >> Okay.
>> Got to be open, but I'll have them put it in. I just want to let you guys know. >> Yeah. >> And I talked to the guy we're doing. You're not going to bring type of chairs in. It's got to be smaller chocolate. Try X. That's it. But we can go for
>> my arms. >> I just want to let you guys know. >> Appreciate you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh I'm going to take something out of order here if everybody's okay with that.
Under other business, an update for 318 Plum Street. >> Mr. Do you have an update? >> Um Tom, 340 Mil Street. Uh so as far as the uh the the encroachment, that's the
question. Um the encroachment still exists. Uh there's been some delivery of uh cement blocks. Um but nothing has been uh put together. So the the encroachment is still there. uh even
though he had agreed that tonight would be his he'd have it all resolved. Just for your information, I had a conversation with Tracy White. That's the I'm trying to keep them all straight on there so many of these going on. Uh I I cuz I wanted to follow up cuz I
assumed you'd come in tonight and I so I reached out. Um so I'm just letting everybody know. He indicated that uh one of the questions I had was to make sure that you folks were okay with the blocks they were going to use. And he indicated that you had okayed the blocks. Is that >> Well, I okayed the blocks as they are on
the plan that he showed me. >> But okay. >> But I haven't seen the blocks themselves. >> Okay. See, I kind of got the impression that you had seen the blocks as well. He said they were particularly attractive for whatever that's worth. Uh uh so I
asked him you know where they were at in terms of getting the completed as per you know we had discussions on it and he said they've got the base almost done and the base really is the hard part cuz that's got to be level and even so that you can you know the blocks going quick
once you start with something that's okay. Um he indicated to me and I don't know if this is any conversation you've had with >> I I haven't had any conversation. He has communicate. >> He he said the the weather set him back a little bit. Um his plan was to have it
loomed and seated by the end of no later than the end of next week. Um, but I I I got the impression that you guys were okay with the block, too. The the block, cuz that was part of the stipulation, I
believe, that you want to approve the the block. >> So, um, I'm going to have to reach out to him if everybody's okay with that again and just say, "Hey, you got, you know, before you be putting those blocks up." >> Did we, um,
>> but you got to deliver? I he has a bunch of blocks up there. Um but what I don't want to have happen is next Thursday comes and I just didn't get around to it, you know, and then >> it just goes into
>> Yeah, it keeps going. I I I think >> I think the original delay was waiting for the blocks. And I'm not trying to defend them. I'm just trying to reiterate, but I remember um >> what's our role in this? Like what could we actually do if he doesn't finish by the end of next week? >> Yeah. See, that's where it gets tricky.
I mean, we could uh I mean, I don't want to say it's a civil matter, but technically it is. >> Well, I have I have my lawyer. >> Yeah. No. Yeah, I understand. I mean, technically it would be something civil between them. Yeah. We could put whatever pressure we could put from the
board. Um it's really dicey. We'd have to reach out to council to see what authority >> wouldn't the decision letter help the building inspector, even though he is going to be the part-time building inspector, help him deal with it? >> Oh, certainly. Yeah. the enforcement officer in terms of the wall itself, but
that the encroachment is a different matter. >> Yeah. The encroachment is the big issue. >> Right. Right. The wall is one thing. The encroachment is the problem. >> Um and as your attorney said stated on at the site before our last meeting
be a little reasonable. You know, we've had 4 days of torrential rains that you know that's going to slow things down. It's not unreasonable to, you know, knowing that the order is in. Sometimes it takes a week and a half, sometimes it takes two, and your own attorney said
the same thing, like, you know, >> I think >> it's not unreasonable to to assume that it's being worked on. Everybody's, >> I think, doing the best that they can with what they have. I don't I don't see any any active prolonged dragout thing
for for a cement uh for a block wall. and and and it only made sense to me standing there that without the wall up there, how are you going to fill in lom and seated without the wall there? The loom would just spread out and nothing
happened. And his own attorney said, "That's not unreasonable. Let's wait till we get it in. The block will go in, the loom will go in, the seed will go in, and we'll get this all all handled." >> The unfortunate thing is they committed to a timetable. >> They did. Yeah. And and they shouldn't
have. I I know that they wanted to end the uh the ongoing conflict. Um I I I'm more concerned to be honest with you right now where the stipulation was that the alg um you know looked at the blocks and said they were okay with it. Now on
the site when we were looking at the plan I remember you commented that they looked okay and I don't know if he went with that or not but if that's going to be a problem that's a whole course of a different color if you will right. >> I don't and Amy correct me if I'm wrong too. I don't think Tom was at at the
meetings, but you know, you were >> but bottom line be before we showed blocks, they came in with different designs and whatnot and thought, "Okay, that one's the best one." And that's why it was drawn on the plan >> and it was put on there.
>> I don't remember that. I'm not saying it didn't happen. I don't for some reason recall that part. >> I don't know why. >> Yeah, cuz it was put on the planet. this was the ex the acceptable block. >> I think that's what they were operating on. So hopefully this is
>> that's how I remember it. >> In the decision letter and I'd have to go back to the meeting to recollect that and I will um but in the decision letter it stated maybe just for protection sake that they would be okay with the rocks picked. >> You know what I mean?
>> Do you have a point Mr. Gainer about reasonleness? Um I would think it would be reasonable for Mr. the white to have contacted either myself or my attorney and that would be reasonable. >> I I don't disagree with that. >> At least with some kind of
>> definitive time table shouldn't have to come. >> We were talking you were going to have it surveyed because >> I am going to have it surveyed after the wall was put up because if I have it surveyed now, Mr. White has in the past
removed those survey stakes and if I do it now I just fear that he's going to just remove those stakes at will. >> Well, especially while that's under construction, the stakes ultimately are in the way. Um I'm sure that's I'm not sure of anything, but I suspect that
they got moved because they were going to excavate. Of course, they were operating under this assumption that they had this easement that, as I brought up several times, the fact that it was on the plan is means nothing. There apparently was never an executed document recordable and recorded. That
never happened. I I don't believe so. I did a cursory check of registry. >> Well, I have never signed an easement uh for that uh for that land to be used. I signed an easement to have the the uh drainage pipes put in, but there's no
easement for uh for Mr. White's construction. >> And as far as the the the lot lines go, um where those posts would go would be at the lot line and should not interfere
with what he does on his property. >> I think what, again, I'm theorizing here. I think what happened was where they were thinking or maybe they weren't thinking it, they just wanted to do it. I don't know. I can't get inside their head. >> But where they were going to do that
excavating, the over excavating, those stakes would have come out with the excavation. >> Right. The encroachment, >> right? The encroachment. Exactly. So, you know, whether that would happen again or not, I mean, right now isn't to your point is not the time to do it until they put the put everything back
in place, >> right? >> Yeah. Yeah. And that that's reasonable. But I I you know, kind of piggybacking back on what circling back on what Mr. Ger said, I don't know what's to be gained at this point other than waiting another week
and seeing if we can get this all done and over with and then everyone can forget about it. Um he seemed committed when I spoke to him. He said, "Look, we had some terrible weather. We finally got the blocks in. They got sun up." He said the leveling and and I think everybody agrees it's the base that
makes all the difference in this thing. If you don't have that base, like I said, leveling through everything else looks like hell. But I think if you're patient enough to wait another week, I think I have reasonable expectation that they'll get it done. And again, I'm not defending them. I'm just trying to give
mitigate any >> Okay. >> any right. >> You know what I'm saying? >> Yep. Is there any way if you talk to him, you can tell him that he should contact the owner if there's going to be more delays? >> Yeah. >> Or or his attorney or somebody. >> I I actually mentioned to him you should
have reached out Yeah. not only to us but to the >> and let them know that it wasn't going to happen last week. >> And that's not being unreasonable. >> And don't just assume because we had lousy weather that everybody understands that. >> Yeah. >> And a little communications. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Good point, Mr. Chair. Sorry.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Uh we never received a copy of the plans for that lot and last meeting it was supposed to be given to us >> a copy of
>> write plans of the storage buildings. >> Oh >> be executed slightly. Yeah, cuz we again that was before my my tenure. So I well before Bruce is also so even from the planning board's perspective at this
point you don't know what they're really doing only according to the plan that's on record. I mean do I personally know? No, because I never reviewed the plans. Um but um but without being able to find the plans, I mean, you don't know whether or not
>> without being able to find the plans, the site plans have been recorded. That's they showed you the the 14 pages of when we were there in the backyard that was put together. >> If there's any substantial change from what was what was applied for and approved on by the board, if there's any
substantial change, then yes, there's going to be a problem. But if as long as the uh the building positions and the where they're located and access and all that other things are are met and required then uh >> I don't know that they got recorded tech
typically they don't get recorded. >> Dale did we determine that we cannot find the plans for um 318? >> I have not looked yet. >> Okay. Let's see if we can find them first. Uh because we hopefully I mean now we keep a signed copy for ourselves
but hopefully we can find a signed copy and do that for >> Tom. What what would this be? This is like some old paperwork says exhibit A. The plan the plan needs been prepared by Ala family trust um dated April 24th 2024 by silver engineering recorded with
the Plymouth County registry of deeds in plan book 068 page 86. Is is that the the plan >> that >> or is that the the the easement plan? >> It sounds to me like the easement the easement plan. That's what I believe it. >> Okay.
>> But not for trees. It was for the drainage. >> For the drainage. Yeah. Excuse me. Yes. Yeah. For the >> Okay. You're saying that could be the plan? I feel like I looked for online and I didn't see a plan online
>> on the um registry of deeds. >> Um I did go in to the office yesterday and >> and tried to look for the or find out what was going to happen with the plan to look for it. One one of the uh the
town's issues is that uh even Danielle wasn't here for that and there was a gap in terms of coverage for the planning board and then the big move all kinds of things got I want to say lost. I don't know that
they're permanently lost, but misplaced is probably eas We'll have a look. >> My concern is that they could do anything they want at this point, >> right? >> No, we'll be able to find a plan. We'll be able to find a plan even if we have to ask for one from the engineer.
They're hopefully responsible to >> Okay. >> Hopefully. That's the operative word there. Did you review the um the um meeting like video >> for which one? >> For this like to see you know when we
signed the plan and everything. >> No, I did not. >> I'll do that. >> Yeah, we'll do a little research and try to come up with that one for you. >> Like a copy. >> Pat Brennan's probably got one. At the very least Brennan's got one. Our review engineer. The >> right copy.
>> Yeah. So I I'm confident we'll come up with a copy. >> Okay. Okay. Chris, you heard I'm sorry was 129th Circuit Street. Uh I had a question because I was at those meetings way back when that started and I hear a name Tracy White. It sounds like cuz they had
still be engineering and another company that was going build the buildings, but did they leave? >> The property was sold. >> Yeah, it was RJ um how do you say it? R NJ LLC. So, this is a new person building them than what was here
originally when it was approved. >> Correct. >> Cuz I remember there were more residents here when that was first going through and uh I remember I just watched the recording of the meeting. There were other conditions and I was at that meeting where you came up with all the conditions like the sign, the hours. Did
all that get recorded? So there's a decision letter right here and it says the easement states maintenance and drainage inspections will be done twice a year if necessary. It will be an appertent >> I'm sorry an a pertinent easement with the Halifax country club and then list
the address and the algebra property. Um the easement will be recorded at the Plymouth County Registry of Deeds before any permits or work can be started. The hours of operation for all days will be 6 to 10. The dimensions for the signs will be put on the site plan for the street and the building and they will
comply with all Halifax bylaws. There will be no outside storage of any kind ever. There will be a 12T aberite and blocked wall with algebraic stones and blocks that will be placed at the facility. >> Okay. So, that did all get recorded from all the residents input. Okay. Cuz I
thought I I watched the recording the last meeting. It sounded like Tracy White wasn't aware of a lot of those conditions or something. Well, it was confusing cuz he was also in possession of a plan that showed this 15 ft landscaping easement like we talked
about earlier. And again, you know, the fact that it's on a plan means nothing unless there's a recorded instrument. So, but he was operating he says he was operating on the idea that it was approved, but we can't find
any evidence of that. So, that's a whole different thing now. some kind of semilost. I mean, she specifically read remember when we were talking at at the site to the same >> where uh we he brought forward a site
plan with the 12oot abroades. >> He said he spoke with your mother about making sure the abroad were there. He said yes, he assured them they would they were part of the condition the site plan when we met at your place. Now you don't want the approvals.
>> Well, I'll let my mother speak about that. Well, you said you spoke to your mother and she said no. And she said no such thing about the other writing. >> Say speak to my mother exactly please. >> Um they'll be placed at the facility is the actual wording though.
>> Right. They were talking they were adamant that the acrobaties were not going to be on the property and Mr. White had said Mr. White had said that he had spoken specifically with Mrs. Hold on Mr. Yeah. >> And that's what Mr. White said, but his
my mother and she can speak directly to that. >> Yeah. Just identify yourself, please. >> We were riding the the golf cart around. Two men came toward us and waved as if they wanted to talk to us. And he Mr.
White introduced himself said he bought the plans as is. And this is what the plan showed with the Agabites. But he did not say on our land. It was
here and it was his land. Now I don't know what happened between then and now, but he did not say where those trees were going to go. And we also, and you should remember this, we
also got up and said if the we are not going to give an easement, another 15 ft easement for those trees. So, no trees at all. >> Oh, okay. So, there's no trees. >> And that was in the recorded
things here and it should be in the archive somewhere. >> Exactly. on the on the site plan that we looked at, the abodies were shown on his side of the wall. >> And I and I understood after the conversation maybe I again I wasn't
there. I thought you wanted them on your side of the wall so you wouldn't so you wouldn't see the wall. No, >> because he said, "I'll assure Mrs. Algia that the theaters were going to be there and they showed on the plan on their side of the wall." So that was my
confusion, I guess. when when uh well I don't think they the Abrai were ever going to be on your side of the wall. They were going to be on on the other property. >> Actually the wording in the letter doesn't even get specific about the arborites.
It just says 12T >> ar they were on the site plan the ones that they showed us there >> will be placed at the facility. Uh so yeah >> and and he had made mention I know you coming over in the car and speaking about the abroad and making sure they were going to be there and he he said I
assured Mrs. nostalgia. Yes, the abroad are going to be there. >> As long as they're on his land, everything is fine. >> Great. Awesome. >> Cuz I remember some residents, too. You know, >> obviously you guys have the looks of it from the street, the big multi-story building to try to make it look nice.
>> Try to mitigate the look of it. Sure. Landscaping and >> Yeah. >> It was more the concern of the big twotory one, trying to block it a little. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's on the facility. So, I would think that the town would have to be the ones to tell
them not to put up the the um vites, not it's part of their decision. >> Yeah. >> It's not it's not really the algorith it's supposed to be on the facility, >> right? It's on the site. >> Yeah. >> They are on the site.
>> I think they're all with the trees as long as it's on their property. >> Well, right. That's correct. >> And it's on the decision. >> Anything they want. Right. >> Within following the decision letter. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay.
>> So, are you all right with that? >> Are we okay for the time being? >> Okay. >> Good. We're going to We'll follow up on it, too. >> Thank you. >> All righty. Uh, >> we were going to do the minute to next meeting.
>> Yes. Yes. But I I wanted to um >> talk about the letters for removal and uh >> Yes, please. and a request for certificate of occupancy, a temporary certificate of occupancy condition at 314 Plymouth Street, which
is also known as the Starbucks site. And we have another question from people, too. >> Correct. I'm just going to read the letter from uh Midland Contractors >> in regards to >> in regards to 314 which is also known as Starbucks.
>> Okay. So we have a letter from leaders on October 16th 2025. Um it was sent to Danielle Aake administrative assistant um town of Halifax. Reclarification for TCO at 314 Plymouth
Street. Dear Mr. Acki, thank you for your time and consideration at the town's planning and zoning meeting on October 16, 2025. Unfortunately, due to circumstances beyond our control, we are unable to have a re representative attend. This
letter is intended to provide written clarification regarding our request related to a tempor temporary certificate of occupancy for 314 Plymouth Street development. Our two tenants at this location, Starbucks
and AutoZone, are targeting store openings in February or March of 2026. The permanent traffic signal at the site's intersection will not be completed until April 2026. In the interim, we have installed a
temporary traffic signal. Our tenants have requested written confirmation that the temporary signal will be sufficient to obtain a TCO when their stores are ready to open. Leaders Real Estate has spoken with Joseph Braga, building
commissioner, who confirmed that the temporary traffic signal will be acceptable for TCO purposes until the permanent signal is installed and certificates of occupancy are issued. To clarify, we are not seeking TCO approval at this time, only confirmation
regarding the sufficiency of the temporal signal. A related matter concerns erosion control responsibility at the AutoZone site. Leaders Real Estate is currently responsible for maintaining erosion control at that site.
Autozone is expected to assume control of the site within the next few weeks at which point they will take over responsibility for erosion control measures. Thank you for your attention to these items. Please let us know if any further documentation or
clarification is needed. Sincerely, Nathan Palama, manager, Leaders Real Estate. >> Are you from >> Yeah. Hi. Yeah. My name is Keith McConnell. I'm the superintendent for uh Midland General Contractors. So, if I can help shine any light on anything,
I'm going to >> step into the breach. >> Yeah, we had a conversation not too long ago and I about the site. I've been incredibly unhappy about the site. Uh it's a mess most of the time. >> And we expressed that to you. Um and you
did clean it up that day. We had another incident yesterday and I believe that got cleaned up a little better and I know it's under construction and all of that. >> Sure. >> But you know some care needs to be taken to leave the site in a reasonable manner uh most of the time when you're not
physically digging or operating on the site. Um there's some other concerns though uh and I'm going to make the board uh privy to this information as well because I get a phone call this afternoon from the site engineer um our
site review engineer Pat and um cuz he was asking him whether he should come in tonight or not and he commented that he has not been called to inspect anything of the of the work that's been done. So, all that drainage work and all the
basins and everything have not been looked at by the review engineer. So, I'm going to ask the board tonight, not that we need a motion, but I want I want everybody to be involved in this, uh, for a motion to contact our review engineer and have him go out to the site
and report back to us his findings. Um, yeah, something you may need to do. Um, I spoke also this afternoon because he reached out to me was Reed Blockberger from leaders. All right. And I expressed the concerns I had and
speaking for myself and not the board. That's why I wanted the board to kind of get involved in this um about the same things that I brought up um none of these things were done uh in terms of inspected. Now, that isn't just for this site. that also happens to be for the
storage site and he's the review engineer is going out there tomorrow. So he may ask for andor require um the opening of the pits andor any other means to inspect. >> Sure. >> So all that stuff that was done there was never inspected or reviewed by the
review engineer. >> And is this directed towards conservation? >> No towards well and conservation. Conservation has another issue. You need to contact conservation. >> Conservation has contacted several times. One lady come out. I've said
several times, give me an uh inspection fee list. Well, whatever we need to do, you know, to get things cleared up and emails go nowhere. >> Yeah. Well, your your engineer should know. >> Yeah. No, I I'm not disagreeing. >> Should know to contact the review
engineer. And I'm not telling you how to run this job. I'm just telling you what I have seen over the years and what my experience has been. >> So, yeah. So, I've had several contacts with with them out there and finally some lady Kathy I believe came out
>> and >> Caitlyn >> and she says, "Yeah, we uh kind of dropped the ball on this and uh >> yeah, they didn't require you to file for a storm water permit." >> Yeah. Yeah. And at that point, we're done,
>> right? you know, and of course that was prior to me even getting there. >> No, no, I understand that you're you're new on the job. >> So, but I but as soon as I I landed, I I contacted a lot of people cuz it, you know, that's the first thing I like to do is land and find all the stakeholders, you know, to make sure you
guys understand what's on the plans. You know, the the the fire chief, I had him out there >> several times, the highway commissioner, you know, to make sure everybody's understanding what we're doing because my job is to try to avoid rework. So I want to know what's h you know what do
you want first so we can do it right the first time and uh you know so then it moved on to where I started contacting conservation and I'm like you know I don't know if anybody's had any inspections on this stuff you know what's what's been going on and then she
contacted back and said we kind of dropped the ball on that and and I said okay that's fine but this is where we're at now let's do what we need to do >> what about drainage now >> well storm drainage As far as having the peer review engineer out to uh to inspect them,
>> he he's this is why I was looking for the board to support me with a motion to have our review engineer while he's on site tomorrow at the other facility to also review what's been done at this facility and determine if any action needs to be done or what needs to be
done to get back on track here >> and maybe things that are different than what the plan >> correct. review inspector performance. >> So moved. >> Yeah. Um Yeah. So >> yeah, would be able to pull the the
manhole covers, you know, he can check for interceptors, >> whatever it is, whatever he needs to do >> for that. That that's been my whole stake on just want it done. >> That's all. >> Yeah. And I just try to Hey, get them. Hey, I believe like we all agreed the
ball was got dropped. Okay, we're not going to point fingers, you know. But now that I'm here and you're here, we all understand. Let's let me give you what you want. >> This is this is exactly why when I had sent a communication to you guys >> later, we were going to bring this up
and we wanted somebody from >> either leaders or somebody >> to explain what the heck is going on up there. >> Appreciate you stepping up. Yeah. No, no, no worries. original communication. Amy read one tonight, but there was one prior to that. Do you want to read it?
>> Do you have it there that was really talking about the TCO and it was confusing cuz it looked like somebody was looking for TCO now. >> No. Right. And I I saw that one email and that was the main reason why I was here to help shine some light on. >> Right. So, as she explained in the
letter, you know, she was going quite fast, but um really no, that's not what they're after. >> Correct. So the big picture is basic. >> Are we okay with a temporary light? >> Yes. And because Autozone doesn't want to start until they're sure they can
open >> that that temporary signal light is not going to stop them from opening. So basically you can write back and say yeah once you complete your project and you do receive >> assuming everything else is completed and
>> completed properly the the the light itself. I I personally don't have a problem with a temporary traffic light. >> I don't think anyone else did. I know that I spoke to the highway surveyor. He was okay with it. >> Yeah. >> And the building >> building inspector the mass arm sold
I'll be honest with you that mass arm will probably ship in April. Ship >> they're on delay to get put in. >> They're in delay everywhere. I can I can attest to that. >> Right. So that that's the reality of it is so >> but in that original letter it was
unclear. >> Sure. >> And there was rumors floating about uh the autoone was not going in and of course that triggered questions of all right how are we leaving this site if that's not going to be in? How are you going to you going to leave that slope on that side of the driveway? Is the
driveway going to be completed? You know there was a million questions that came up. But now you're confirming that it is coming in and they're going to open at the same time. Is that the plan as far as you know? No, I I I doubt that. They just want to know that, hey, if we come in, finish our project, and we're done
before that new mass arm is put up, we're still functioning on the temporary light system, will you give us a T7 O pending that light? >> They finally got clear. That original letter was not clear. >> No, not not at all. Right. Because they
shouldn't be asking because it looked like they were looking for TCO. What they wanted was conf confirmation that the TCO would be okay, assuming that all the other requirements were completed. >> Yeah, you you got it. That's it right there. >> I mean, they already have right here
that the um that Joseph Prager, the building commissioner, said that the temporary signal would be okay. >> Yeah, but that wasn't the first letter. The first letter was confusing. >> No, no. I'm in 100% agreement. I'm I'm saying that I don't think we should add anything in writing that could be
convoluted into anything else. They already have what they need. We will go like you'll get you'll get a >> the light the light's okay. I mean that's not really >> Yeah. But but yeah, but we still but we still sign off on the uh on the site plan that all the conditions were met,
>> right? understand like getting into like sending a letter that could >> Well, I I don't I don't I don't personally have a problem with a very u pretty specific communication indicating
that the um the planning board um would be in uh >> agreement to adjust the light >> to Yeah, >> as long as I disagree I'm going to disagree with that >> cuz uh there's There's no way, shape or
form I my own personal vote, you know, I certainly speak for the rest of the board that uh even if uh everything is >> No, go ahead. Even if everything is all all squared away with with Starbucks that there's going to be uh the asphalt
is going to stop there. There's going to be uh still the dirt and whatnot on the auto zone side. I'm specifically very concerned with public safety wise. You have people going through the drive-thru and just going to go flying across a dirt driveway. I I can't vote for that. >> No, but we wouldn't sign off on that.
>> That's there's no way. >> So, what I'm saying is we wouldn't sign off on that >> on that part of the project, right? That would that mean Starbucks, hey, Starbucks doesn't get certificate. So the criteria service has got to be everything that needs to take to get certific
between the two projects. And I I brought that up. And >> I'm also going to offer up I would be in favor of if you're not going to have the permanent traffic signal installed, a bond be provided for completion of that project. I'm 100%.
>> Yeah. Now I'm a dog in the fight. So, you know, I'm just here to try to represent and help shine light on what's really happening in case there's confusion. You know, somebody said that, you know, hey, I want a $50,000 bond. I agree with you. >> Yur
exactly. We've had plenty of occasions to not get projects completed because there was no bond provided. I just got one question trying to clear this up. So who is lenders? >> Midland is the GC doing the work. Leaders is the owner. They're the real
>> now owns both. >> It's one lot. >> It's one lot. >> Not the storage. >> They have the easement though for that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But there's all kinds of easements back. >> Yeah. All right. A has an original
letter C and then A and B have D. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> So, still confused. >> Can I just have one quick moment? >> Sure. >> Um, I did receive an email from Highway. I just wanted to make you aware. Um, like 10 minutes at 7 tonight. I did put
it in the file for 3:14 in the R drive if you guys would like to pull it up. Um, I know he has some stipulations on a few things. I don't know if it's relevant to what you're talking about right now, but if you'd like to look at it, it is in there. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Daniel.
Can I ask you to move a little to the right? >> I was trying to look around you, but it was a little hard. >> And you just need to confuse things. It's Midland now. Who was it before this? >> I I I really don't know. I got out here.
>> Midland's been there. >> You know, I'm I'm headed to a different project. I get told to turn around. I ain't know nothing. We even had this project. And I get told turn around, come out here and >> surprise. >> Surprise. Yeah. And so I I do what I typically do when I land. I want to know
all the stakeholders. You know, everybody's important to me. And just like you're saying, hey, just because it's on the plans, I know that from years of experience doesn't mean it's correct. >> You know, should I read this into record? Highway
>> highway department October 16th, 2025. Planning board members, the issues I have had with 314 Plymouth Street with the storm water. I may have missed something in the beginning, but anytime a plan comes to me, I question the storm water runoff. If I see that the storm
water may run onto the street, but they had already started working on the site when I noticed the storm water would be running onto Plymouth Street and I brought it to someone's attention. Sorry, I can't recall who I contacted from Concom or Keith, the new GC at the
site, but they did address my concern and added two more basins. If you can, I'm asking the board to add a stipulation that for one year if storm water runoff flow onto Plymouth Street that from their entrance exit the must
add basins or oh, they must add I'm sorry, they must add basins. cuz it's missing a Y or do something to stop the runoff from making it onto Plymouth Street. I also wanted to let the board know that I had put off paving this section of 106 and paved the section
starting at Cumbies because I thought 314 would try to start building in 2023. Now that we have had that paved section of 106 in front of 314 last year, I added stipulations for the trench permits. Here are a couple of the
stipulations. Back fill the trench will with excavatable flowable fill. U minimum of 10 ft from the edges of trench is to be milled at a minimum of depth of 1 and 1/2 in. Apply emulsion
tack at joints of existing asphalt prior to laying top course. Myself or someone from highway will be there for this final step. The reason I bring this up is I went to check the waterline trench and they had already backfilled the
first half of the trench with regular fill. I told them they could finish back filling and temporary pave, but they would have to dig up the trench and do as the trench stipulation say. They agreed and done trench back up yesterday and backfilled with flowable fill. They
have >> corrected correct >> corrected. Thank you. Corrected the things. that I have found wrong. But must say this has been the most difficult project I've dealt with. I'm not sure if it's having to deal with two or three
engineering firms or the town started the open.gov in the middle of this. Sincerely, Steve Haywood. >> Yeah. Well, there was other issues too, including the no detail officer, that whole fiasco the first time the trench was open.
I in in regards to the trends being opened the second time. Was that also to accommodate another water line or was that just to >> No, this mean just recently. >> Yeah, >> that was cuz we didn't fulfill his stipulations the first time. >> I heard something about they needed to
run another water line or something. >> No, no, we had to correct. >> Okay. All right. >> Yeah, the fill. >> That's fine. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, >> weren't we going to get um an estimate on how much that bond would be based on
>> um, you know, like you said 50, but it that was just >> I thought he was just throwing a number. >> I know, right? Yeah. Okay. [Music] >> You know, >> uh, I thought 50 would cover it. >> It probably going to be I don't know. It
might be pretty close because uh I'll have to see how much the proposal is, you know. Um, but a lot of work's done. We're kind of just waiting on the mass. >> Let us know. We'll let Danielle know, >> you know, what the estimate was so we can >> Yeah, I'd let you estimate.
>> We can reach out to Pat can reach out to his traffic guy. Those masks have gotten incredibly expensive cuz they're all coming from >> overseas. Where do I send the email to >> Danielle? >> Just Danielle at the I'll find it. Yeah, I saw some traffic.
I think in principle, speaking for myself, I don't have a problem with the temporary light, assuming all everything else is finished and we have a bond to cover the the cost of the uh equipment, but there should be a time limit on it, too. >> One and a half times with the labor.
>> Yeah. But I aside from the money, a time limit. Um Yeah. >> So that Yeah. So that there isn't any procrastination, you know, hey, we could use this on another site. you getting there.
>> I know. I'm just not justifiable why it went in statue. >> Yeah. >> Uh 340 Clipper Street, Tom Alger. Um so the other thing that one thing I would like to bring up here regards the Starbucks project is the essentially the
downstream effects of the storm water. Uh so uh we still have two massive or two very very large uh sink holes uh as a result of that. uh those drainage coming through. So I'm not certain or I'm not satisfied whether or not those
drains are actually working. So I know I had 100% guarantee that you know those storm those pipes will be working the the water will be flowing before Starbucks would get a an occupancy permit. So >> okay. Well that's all going to be part
of the review. >> Okay. I mean, I know there's some sinking out there, but that's not unusual to have compaction around the that excavation. I, you know, I wasn't too concerned about that. I I don't even know if you know what we're talking about. probably a little bit I think because there's several contractors involved and
I know at the end of the day all the retained water is storm drainage water is going to the Gulf Coast >> because it was um um uh the well RJ >> RJ >> RJ who actually u did hired out the the
excavating for the pipes right and the place where the pipes for the drainage. So, and he did say he with that day on the site that they would take care of him when that happens. You know, it's a good story. >> Um, >> it's not unusual for it to settle after
that's their best compaction is rain, believe it or not. Everything will slow down, but then they got to fix get it all finished. >> But that's the piece we haven't heard anything about. >> Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. you know, there's no >> So, in in this letter here that uh Steve
Hayward just put out, um he he requested the two additional catch basins right at at our site. >> Mhm. >> No, you put in two additional, >> but he was I think what I heard was he said if the flow does not
>> Oh, it doesn't capture the flow. >> He want another couple of drains. >> Yeah. So, he he wants like a year to make sure that it's going to work, >> right? >> So Pat will look at those tomorrow, too. They'll probably have to be on um added
to the actual asbuilts. >> Yeah. This is a work in progress. When we get to that point and they're looking through occupancy, we can also ask for additional bonding, >> right? >> Okay. >> You know, there's there's a lot of things we can do and that's where we have some power. >> Well, it was funny when I first met met
with Steve, right? and uh talking about, hey, where can I get permit to get the traffic light going? And it's everything's stuck. And then of course there's.gov. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Learning curve doesn't wasn't quite complete yet. >> Yeah. >> Um you know, he's like, you know, no
one's ever uh responded to me about additional I don't want no storm drainage out on the chemistry. I said, "Okay, well, I'll be pushing that for you." He I worked with him to get the two additional ones and he did approve those. guess >> that he
>> so far with with a a watch time of a year. >> Yeah. That he wants to the additional >> which is reasonable. >> Yeah. >> Cool. >> I I have to say that's one of the most complicated sites I've ever seen for for a small site. >> Well, yeah. There there's a lot going on.
>> A lot going on. Yeah. >> Yeah. I I didn't even get told there's really I got I mean for me I I I got it broke down to almost four projects, right? You got Starbucks which is part of the uh mixeduse group. Autozone which is part of the mixeduse group. We just had to bring uh infrastructure to them
you know. Uh you got 318 the access road going down with that retention pond which is that yeah the drive >> and the retention pond which is our portion of the scope of work. >> Then the traffic light signal
improvement. That's the fourth one. >> You know so there's a lot going on. And then we hand off to 318 >> which brings up the questions >> when the 318 was not going to go forward at that time. There was an agreement
between RJ and Midland or or leaders >> that they were going to complete the road up to the entrance >> or just past the entrance to the Starbucks >> and then they were going to take it from there afterwards. Is that still the case? Who's who's going to complete the road? Bas that's basically what's
happening except for we're going a little further now another uh 45 ft past >> and they're picking up from there >> and then yes they're Tracy White should be picking up from that point. Um I I you know all all I know is I I talk to
Tracy all the time. We all got to work together. >> You're going to have to because you're sharing that entrance and everything. >> Yeah. It's the only way it's going to work, you know, and uh you know, he knows I don't have a dog and if I who owns what land or whatever, that's none of my end, you know, but he always came up to me. He says, "No, when I bought
this land, uh there was uh some money in uh what do you call when you hold an account?" >> Escrow account, correct? And he says, "There's money in escrow account to bring that drive all the way down to this manhole here." Right. >> Yes. >> All I can do is push it out there and
see what they say. And uh >> but it wasn't all the money. It was part of the money. >> Yeah. >> There's not there's not enough money. >> Yeah. >> RJ was going to put I believe the number was 125,500. >> Yeah. That wasn't even closing. >> No. No. But Midland or Leaders was going
to put the rest of >> Yeah. >> And may or may not have, but that's another story. >> Yeah. And I I don't get get none of that. >> And that's not my business either. >> Yeah. And >> as long as the road gets done, that's all. >> Yeah. And so when and just talking about money, when the sidewalk started to get
sloppy there, um you know, I'm I'm pounding the site contractor, right? He's not answering my phone or nothing, right? And he finally shows up and I say, "You got to get this fixed together, right?" And I says, "Where were you? What's going on?" Right? He says, he says, "Keep the only leverage I
had cuz I wasn't getting paid was not to show up." So that's what he told me. I hope it's the truth and he has been paid, you know, so hopefully he maintains that a lot better, you know, and I I I stress with him every day, listen, you're under the microscope. We're all under the
microscope right here. Keep this nice, you know, so >> once it goes the first time, >> everybody's no notice and we're looking harder every time we deal with you. >> Yeah. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Yeah. I I think that they just are
looking for a letter and you guys be able to produce that or >> let me just take one question here first because he's had the same thing for a while. I >> think you've answered most of it. Now this temporary light, this is really the only change that everything else has to still be done to the site plan, the
shared road, the left turn only, the right correct, >> all that will be the same before they open. >> Correct. >> Because I know when this first went, you know, upstairs was packed with residents. That was one of the big things with the traffic safety and concerns got denied. They came back with
this revised plan where to have the traffic all go the right way. So that would all be in place. It's just the light. >> That was the confusion that was generated by the first letter we got cuz it sounded like they were looking for a TCO, temporary certificate of occupancy for the whole site. They go, "Whoa,
whoa, time out. We got a lot of stuff to go before we get there." >> But if it's just specifically the light, >> and I I believe that's where we're at. I I personally don't have a problem with that. >> Yeah. Um >> is this discussion enough for everybody? I mean, you have us on on um you know,
the conversation now is videotaped. >> So, I don't >> I think it's not sufficient for their attorneys or lawyers. >> Yeah, I wouldn't think it would. >> I think I think other than that we because I know it came out, hey, Joe Brea says this in the email and I know
Midland requested back. I got to have it on your letter head. I mean I I so that's really where it's at. I think >> if everybody's in agreement um you know I mean >> one other question is is the traffic light the temporary one will function the same as the permanent one.
>> Great question will it work with the other two? It's not going to be at chaos with the temporary >> that's what I was told by the highway. >> Right. And the temporary lighting system >> is in >> other than the >> it's just putting the mast where it's ultimately going to be.
>> It'll be the the new mass arm. So what we did is the you know we we took the existing mass arm and moved it across to for to incorporate that in with our temporary lighting system >> and put new new pedestals up there. So, the system's in, ready to go, but it's
still flashing yellow duda cuz it's no chance of changing the timing in the heads right now to confuse everybody. But once everything's complete, the traffic signal guy will get right in there, adjust all the lights to function >> the way they're going to ultimately function. >> Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
>> I feel more comfortable after the PR engineer goes out there tomorrow and sends our report. I'd feel more comfortable with the uh >> the estimate there. So to make a definitive memory bond before we Yeah, sure. Go ahead and do it. Let's have
everything in place before. >> Absolutely. I was just a suggest we could come up with some language that would, you know, be innocuous enough but >> convincing enough, but we're going to have to do a little work before we get to that. >> Yeah. And then we'll go over that um
pair engineering report hopefully on November 6th. >> You're looking at least I'd say I'm I'm guessing at least a month before we can generate that >> generate some type of letter. >> Fine. >> I would think so. I would agree with that.
>> Auto delay from that's what I intended but didn't. >> But that's it right there. I want I just want to make sure that that drainage that we had that that PE installed actually works and that we don't have continuous uh
>> well that's why the review engineer is going out there tomorrow. >> Okay. And that was one of the things we asked I well I asked him because he called me but I said you want to take a look at everything on that. Oh yeah. >> Yeah. I'll make a motion to PGB go out
and do the um peer engineering on the site thus far, including and not limited to um the R and J LLC um drainage that goes all the way over to the country club and passes by 340
>> and report the conditions back to the board. >> Yes. hopefully by November second. >> Does that include the inspection that he was referring to before that it wasn't done and really needs to be done? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Encompasses everything. You don't want to have to go back and do it all over
again. >> And adding what Bart said >> to be specific to the motion. >> I'll do you have that language. Uh Danielle and >> cuz I'm not going to be able to repeat it. [Music]
You're funny. >> At least you remember your name. >> I remember yours tonight, too. Although I didn't announce it. >> Do you want me to brush it up then? So, the motion to have the um peer engineer go out and do the pair engineering on
the entire 314 >> 318 >> 318 and um R andJ >> LLC and and alra easement for drainage the entire distance >> and report back to the board
>> which I think includes what Brad said after that. Okay. Okay. >> All right. I'll second. >> Is that better, Danielle? >> One more time. [Music] >> Thank you. >> One breath.
>> Moved and seconded. >> The motion that Amy read. I'm going I'm going to ask for a roll call vote. Okay. >> Amy True. >> Yes. >> Tom, myself, yes. Birth gainer. >> Yes. >> What was your name? and Bruce.
>> Yes. >> And Chimney Walsh. >> Yes. >> Unanimous. >> And do we have enough money in the revolving account for it? >> Um, Daniel's going to have to check. >> Okay. >> And if there isn't, they're going to have to supply it or we're not going to move forward to,
>> right? >> I imagine you heard that and I don't need to ask. >> Um, how will leaders get informed of the next steps that you guys are taking? We we'll um probably at the next meeting um
which is No, it's it's going to be 3 weeks, right? >> No, two weeks. It's the sixth meeting. >> Yeah. So, we'll have hopefully have some feedback on the sixth that we can send back to you. >> Okay. Yeah. Cuz I I'm sure Reed will probably be blowing somebody's phone up.
>> Yeah. >> You know, what I come up with and you guys will probably end up repeating it to him. And if you could send that estimate to Danielle, correct? >> Yeah, somebody get that. >> And then our guy can send it out to his traffic guy to see if it's reasonable.
>> Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Confirm, >> right? Yes. >> Yeah. To see if that's feasible and you know, a good portion of the work's done because it includes the temporary system and so forth, you know. >> So, you know. >> Okay. >> So, >> yeah. So, so if we get that back on the 6th, the following meeting, which would
be what? The >> uh >> 20th 20th. >> Thank you. >> We might be able to >> hopefully be able to generate a letter about the TCO for the arm. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Works for me.
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> But I I'm glad you came in. Thank you. >> Yeah. Thanks a lot. appreciate you and like I told everybody when I first met everybody the site's open so you got issue come and talk to me and I'll do the best I can. >> It isn't always that accessible but just saying
>> oh you know what you're here is that um a handicap sidewalk that >> Oh the structure out front >> the ramp? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I think that's it's camouflaged on the plan as I never picked it up.
>> Um that that's right. So, um, once again, this project is something else. So, if you drive out there one day, right, look at how high the curb is. It's 2 >> 2 in, >> right? All the elevations got taken out
like it was 6 in. So, when I got there, I was like, "These elevations aren't working. What What can we do to make this work?" And I said, "We got to get some type of uh retaining wall in here to hold up the parking lot here." >> Yeah. >> And then it just turned into >> a ramp. a ramp. Yeah.
>> So then it >> Yeah. So on >> So it wasn't on the plan. So it was not on the plan originally. >> The there's some type of ramp on the plan. >> Well, I saw something, but it was >> But it's not like what's >> it would have just been like a due to the elevation. See?
>> Oh, I remember a sidewalk event. >> The engineering should have come back because that should have been a site plan modification. >> Uh yeah, probably. Yeah. As I expressed to Reed this afternoon, someone needs to take command of this and hopefully that
>> Yeah, I I can only take command as much as I can. >> Yeah, like I said, I I'll be perfectly honest. When I came out here, I wanted to fight her just about every single contractor >> and they would like for certain other reasons there, you know,
>> and familial >> with that >> and familial. >> Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, there's a lot of that, >> you know. So the So if I can shine a little bit of light on this sidewalk and
the mess out there, right? The plan is to get all the curb here in the next couple weeks and get get the curb in and the binder course in all in one week. >> Yeah. Cuz you're going to start losing weather pretty quick. >> Yeah. And and that'll clean that area up quite quite nice, you know. So,
>> we're just a couple weeks, two to three weeks away from that. >> Starbucks is planning on opening April 2026. >> March, April. Is that when you >> I I I got the show. I I'll hand it off to Starbucks. >> Yeah. They have a fitment crew that
comes in and takes care of the fit. >> Yeah. I I I know they're chopping at the bit to trying to get in there. >> Yeah. They want to start generating. So So this is my thing. At some point they're going to be looking for a TCO anyway, but we'll deal with that at the time. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I can't even get a
source to put gas in. >> Well, at least the gas man's on your side of the street, >> right? But it they've had trench permit for 2 and 1/2 months. I believe >> the gas company's terrible. >> Yeah, that's right. >> The gas company's >> No, the gas company's terrible.
>> Yeah. No, right. I mean, and so that that that stops a lot of stuff, >> you know. Oh my. You know, you can only go so far. >> Got to be careful out there, though. It's a 12-in Mini. >> Yeah, >> that burst once. That thing sounded like a whole airport full of jet engines firing off at the same time. It was
amazing. And then these guys are all out there smoking. I said, "You guys nuts." >> When was that? >> Oh, this is well known. >> 10, 15 years ago. Oh, no. It was going to be more 15 years ago. Anyway, it was left. >> Yeah. >> So, >> thank you for coming in.
>> What was your I'm sorry. What was your name again? Uh Keith McConnell, I'm I'm signed on the board there for you. >> Oh, okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Keith. >> No worries. Any questions, give me a call. Anything. I'll do everything I can for you. >> Thank you, sir. >> Good night. Have a good night. >> You, too. >> Nice meeting everybody. >> Where are we?
>> Thank you. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I think that's everything unless >> No, we Yes. Let's talk about Walmart. Can you reading that letter for us? Halifax um planning board received from
295 Plymouth Street, Halifax, Massachusetts, Walmart Conrad Palumbo um to Danielle on October 7th at 8:32 a.m. Danielle, I'm conducting some due
diligence for an upcoming commercial remodel project. Please see below questions. It would help me out greatly if you could provide answers or directions. We will possib we will possible be we will possibly be
splitting three model and expansion scope. These questions are more expansion scope related and general site information location. Do you know if I'm >> Can I just interrupt one one second rather than go through this whole big long thing in in my own personal opinion
reading through all of this? >> They basically want us to do their homework for them. You know, >> that's exactly correct. >> This is uh this is a matter of uh there's a state requirement, there's a state building code, there's a town bylaws. Pick up the book and read it.
>> They want us to do all their work, two pages of their work for them. and how do I get how do I get a variance and what do I need and >> you just do your own >> that's what engineers could pay a gazillion dollars for and they want here's five people that are volunteering
on a board and they want us to do months of work for >> now there might be a couple things that they can't have readily get answers to but you know take care of what you can take care of and by the way how about providing us some idea of what the hell you're talking about >> well that's exactly where I was going to
go with all of it is um send us your proposed plans and a site plan and we'll be able to understand what your I mean cuz my idea of what he wrote is going to be different than your ideal different >> and and so what is the interpretation of
it? So what do you >> could you give them my permits for me and do my site planning for me and maybe dig a couple trenches for me >> and if could you get me one you know any issues >> no I agree with you
a motion if somebody wants to make a motion about >> I'll make a motion that um the well I don't know if it needs to really be a motion but I will make a motion to send a letter to um Walmart stating, "Please send in the full site plan requirements
so that we fully understand and are able to answer your questions. See, uh the Halifax bylaws, the building code, >> state building code." Yeah. >> And we will run, if you I'm sorry, I didn't uh uh
bottom line, the board can do nothing without an application before us, >> right? So to re to review all these plans and documents and whatnot and we don't even have an application in front of us, never mind the site plan. >> So when you're when you're ready, I've
>> done this several times where I've told them more than once that these questions were almost impossible without any kind of application and they just >> continue to send more emails with more questions. >> I feel Danielle that it is impossible.
It's it's just not going to happen. The will not entertain your request with any formal application of site plan. >> I'll add that in. >> Please send us a formal site plan applica. My motion is this now. Please
um Walmart please send in a full site plan application >> completed >> completed to us and we will be able to more certainly answer your questions as we won't I don't know something like that.
>> Yeah. Um any of your requests or for information the plan would require a an application of a site plan approval. >> End of story. >> Yeah. Nice and simpler. >> Whatever happened with them adding fuel to to the walnut just
>> that might be part of it. >> If we get you anything, they just came and talked about it. >> Yeah. >> So, and if you're going to give us one, you have to do it. >> That's the whole thing is that whole front section is an easement. And the
purpose of the easement is to buffer the town from an industrial look. So getting rid of that easement, there's no other place that we could put it that would buffer the town. So the purpose of the ement somewhere, right? You had one >> from on the registry. I took coffee.
>> Yeah. No, that's Do we have the Oh, you told me I can have that printed. >> Yeah, I'll send it in and I'll have it by the next meeting. >> Did you get that motion, Daniel? We didn't even second it or anything.
>> Yeah. No, I just want to make sure she got it before we second it. >> I'll manage. Don't worry. >> Okay. Yeah, we I can talk to you too. Um moved and seconded to uh send a response to Walmart uh telling
them that um their questions will not be entertained until we have a formal site plan review. >> That work? >> So moved. >> Moved and seconded. All those in favor? I I >> All those opposed. The eyes have it.
>> Thank you. >> Wow. This is one of the latest meetings we've had. >> Yes. Uh just in regards to the minutes, uh when I was reading through them, we had an awful lot of questions that even Joe Brager was bringing up about uh the
uh condemning of the old Cland farms. Just needs to take the plywood down and get in there and take a look and get at it. Now, we don't have a building inspector to even stop that forward. You know, as we made mention in the minutes, you know, what's what's the process of
doing that so we can either force Cumberland Farms to take the building down or >> or or what? So, now where are we? >> Yeah, good question. Uh Mr. Hopkins had thought that he could provide us with a plan to and I don't believe he was able to do that. Um
what maybe >> we wouldn't try to get the ball rolling. I'd love to see it get going. Take a look at that building. I >> I think we can uh discuss it with the uh new interim building commissioner when he's up and running. >> Yeah, but he did say Joe did say he was going to >> He did not
>> take Okay. He was going to take the plywood down, get in there, take a couple pictures, just go. Yeah. You know, >> um he did not. >> Okay. I didn't know know that for a fact. >> Are we looking for a new uh building inspector? Has it been like published or posted or whatever?
>> They they have now actually posted it again. >> Yeah, they had to lift the firing freeze on it. I mean the hiring freeze on it. >> There's no freeze on fire. Somebody's been here too long. >> I'm fine.
>> I I know you want to get out of here, but one last question because I've seen the project tonight. We already have one going next Dunkin Donuts with bulk uh storage and landscape materials. I know there's a big problem going on in uh New England. One of the bins was labeled
compost. Uh Maine's already banned all all compost and bioolids. It is still sold in mass around places. Uh the processing facilities, a lot of the solid the sludge sewage goes up to Maine, other
places, gets processed and shipped back to Mass Compost. Uh I know mass officials now visited Maine and uh they might be putting bills in to also 12 other states to ban all bioolids used in compost in the state of mass. Um the
specification sheets for one of the popular products that comes back to mass and gets sold in some places in Southshore says occupied for bulk storage occupied buildings other than those owned by the site owner operator will be 500 ft distance. Um, public roadways or abuting
property boundaries will be stored 100 ft from boundaries. Is that >> But these are all maybe though, right? It's all up in the air. >> The spec sheets on use of the if it has compost. Is that something Brennan the site the town engineer would look when
he looks at the plants? >> That would be something we'd have to ask him to be sure. >> If he sees a one labeled as compost, is it >> it would be something it would come up. Okay. It has to comply with all uh current zoning bylaws, state and local
>> cuz some places are start to stay away from it now. They even advertise we don't use bios but then it's still being sold other places right now. It's they significantly well water and stuff cuz it runs off. >> Well, they use it in mixes too for coloring and all kinds of stuff.
>> There's all kinds of things that are problematic now. Reprocessing of asphalt has become an issue. I just dealt with that myself at the facility and it's not allowed in most places. >> Yeah. >> Because of the runoff and so yeah, >> it's loaded with PAS. So now it's going
and shutting down town wells cuz it's running off from these composters and stuff. So I just noticed it was on that plan. I didn't know if that's something he reviews. >> Yeah. Uh we'll we'll double check just to make sure, but I'm pretty sure he does. >> Okay. >> Well, not to drop the ball. I don't know
if you'd entertain a motion on contacting the new building commissioner when he if and when if it's tomorrow or Monday or whatever it it really >> I'd like to get the ball rolling. >> I'd also like to entertain a motion to
cont. >> Yes. Yes. But in addition to that, I'd like to reach out to the owners of the property too and ask them if they will send a representative. Yeah. Well, we held off because uh the building inspector was to Yes. uh intervene and try to initiate something. But at the
very least, we can ask for someone to represent the owners to come in and we have some questions. They may not show up, but we can ask them. >> Okay. >> Unless anybody has a problem, I can't see why, but >> it's great. um
the corner of Indian path and um Plymouth Street. I don't know the number, but the used car lot take has taken down trees and starting to do some like moving of dirt and everything. And I was wondering what was going on over there cuz some of it is very close to
conservation. It looks nice. I just want to see >> the conservation line is like 3 ft from the side of the building over there. >> Yeah. Um, and the other thing is I don't know if he's exceeded his amount of cars allowed on that lot, but that's >> I was just curious about what was going on over there. I mean, I it's nothing
personal. It just all of a sudden the huge tree is gone. >> Here's where it gets a little crazy. Those kinds of things like amount of cars and everything is not necessarily in the zoning bylaws. It's in the rules and regulations. Yeah. >> That's enforceable by the selectment. >> Yeah. >> And you know,
>> Yeah. Selectment determine the number of cars that are allowed on a permit. >> Right. Exactly. Charlie was counting the ones down at Pete's. >> Charlie was taking care of all of that stuff. And of course, now we haven't you know, >> everybody's into them and you know, it's hard to get
>> Welcome to Massachusetts. >> Yeah, I know. But but we can certainly uh you know, reach out to the new building official and he can maybe pass. >> Do you want to leave it just a or do you want in the form of a motion? >> I think a motion uh to ask the building
inspector to uh >> look investigate the property at uh I don't remember the street number but >> the old Cumberland Farms location. >> Yeah. At 58106 the abandoned structure at 58 >> to include uh notification of the
property owners. >> We can do that. I mean you can he can do that in in conjunction with whatever else he's doing. But I think we should send a letter to >> Yeah. >> Let's see what the building inspector is going on. >> He might think it's it's his jurisdiction. So,
>> I mean, we're really not enforcement enforcement. We're just asking >> them to come in and talk >> in talk about any plans >> for planning purposes. >> Yeah. Right. Exactly. >> Can we have Can we also have the new building inspector go over and see what's happening on the corner and path
in 106? >> Um, >> and is there a conservation application? >> There's a conservation agent. I think you should probably do that. That's >> cool. All right. How are you?
>> All right. Do Do we want motions on that? >> Oh, we want we put we had a motion to put the minutes up for the next meeting. >> Yes. >> You had that. We did that. >> I think we we didn't do it. If you're making a motion, >> make a motion that we review the uh approval of the minutes uh
>> at the next meeting at the November 6th meeting. at the November 6th meeting for the for the three minute dates that are listed on tonight's agenda cuz I can't see that far. >> Second move and seconded to uh postpone the meeting minutes approval until
November 6th for the 9425 91825 and 10225. All those in favor? >> I I >> Sounds unanimous to me. Did we accomplish everything? I'm getting I'm getting dazed here.
>> I think we still need a motion >> for the building. >> Correct. Yes. >> You want to make that motion to ask the building inspector to investigate the property at 58 106 currently abandoned? >> Right. >> Do I have a second for that?
>> Second. moved and seconded to ask the building inspector to investigate the property located at the corners of Route 58 and Route 106 that is currently abandoned. >> All those in favor? >> I I'm going to take that as unanimous.
>> Can I get a motion to uh authorize the Let me do it. I'll just write a to authorize the chair to send a letter to the owners of the abandoned building at the corner of 58.06 6 to ask if they could uh uh send a representative to
inform the board um as to any plans >> future plans >> future plans for the site uh so the planning >> the same response we got the last 25 years it' be a piece of paper that says no >> yeah at least we ask >> yeah yeah >> at least let them know that we're
concerned about it coming >> can I get anybody to move that >> second >> all moved so move to move and I'll second moved and seconded to uh have the chair write a letter to the owners of the property at the corners of
Route 58 and Route 106 currently abandoned to ask if a representative would uh appear to the planning board and provide any information uh concerning any future plans. All those in favor >> stay with us while we're almost done. >> I
want a motion to adjourn. Would you like one? >> I'd love one. >> I'll make a motion to adjourn. I'll second. >> Moved and seconded to adjourn. All those in favor? >> I thank you very much. Thank you. >> Yeah. Let's get real soon.
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