Good evening everyone. It's 7:00. Calling to order the Town of Halifax planning board meeting for Thursday, May 21st, 2026. We are meeting in the at 199 Plymouth
Street which is town hall in the selectman's meeting room on the second floor which is also known as noon which is also known as meeting room one and we are being recorded by area 58 community access television and you can
view this again on YouTube. Very first order of business is to approve the agenda. I'll make a motion to accept the agenda as presented. >> Can I have a second? >> Second. >> Moved and seconded to approve the
agenda. All those in favor? >> I I >> Anyone opposed? >> No. Okay. >> I I want to take one minute here to acknowledge that Jamie Walsh was uh elected to his own 5-year term. Congratulations, Jamie. >> Thank you.
>> You said you would run and you did it and uh and you were successful. Very good. Glad to have you. Um, moving on. Uh, because we had an election and we have a full board, uh,
the first order of business is to reorganize for the coming year. The chair will entertain any, uh, motions for nominations for chair. Mr. Again, >> I'd like to uh nominate Tom Millius as
the uh chairman of the planning board for 2026. >> Um okay. Do anybody does anybody want to second that? >> I'll second. Moved and seconded for uh Tomas, myself to uh serve as chair for
the coming year. Um probably take a roll call vote. Um Mr. Sylvester, >> yes. >> Mr. Walsh, >> yes. >> Mr. Gainer. >> Yes. >> M. True. >> No. >> Mr. Millius. Yes. Motion passes.
>> Chair will entertain a motion for vice chair. I'll nominate Mr. Gainer for vice chair. Can I get a second? >> I'll second it. >> Moved and seconded from Mr. Gayner as vice chairman.
I will also take a roll call vote. Mr. Sylvester, >> yes. >> Mr. Walsh, >> yes. >> Myself, yes. Miss Truth, >> no. >> Mr. Gainer, >> yes. >> Motion passes. Uh, we need a clerk. Uh, does anybody
want to nominate anyone for clerk? Does anybody want the clerk's job? >> Mr. G, >> I'd like to nominate Amy group, his clerk. has done a fine job this past year and uh like to see I hope she takes
the nomination. >> I'd be happy to second that myself. Would you serve if elected? >> I actually think that I should nominate Jamie Walsh as clerk. >> Well, we have a motion and a second on the floor.
Um unless Mr. G wants to u withdraw his motion. Well, other than that, we can just open it for discussion. I mean, >> yeah. Well, it's open for discussion now. >> I just think that he did a great job in um uh keeping notes last year um while
he was the in the appointed position and I'd like to give him a chance to take it. >> I I I couldn't agree more to be honest with you. Uh the effort and everything he's put in for, you know, doing his homework per se. is it on our hearings
that we've had in the past and in order to have a uh a knowledgeable idea of what was going on during the different hearings is commended that you've uh done it. But I do think Amy's experience
and whatnot in the past. Uh I I wouldn't withdraw my my motion >> and I withdraw my second. Do you want to make that in the form of a motion? I'll make a motion from Mitch G. Walsh, the uh clerk of the planning board for the year 2026 into 2027.
>> If elected, will you, sir? Um second move seconded for Jamie Walsh to the clerk. Um all those in favor will be accepted. Did you say yes? >> He didn't say no. >> I'm going to help anyway.
>> So we keep going. >> Take one step. Take one step. >> Exactly. I'll we might as well continue with roll call votes. Mr. True. >> Sure. Yes. >> Mr. Millius. Yes. Mr. Gainer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sylvester.
>> Yes. >> Mr. Walsh. >> Yes. >> Unanimous. Okay. We we have our team here for the next year. Excellent. Um, next thing on the on the agenda is the
discussion on the adherence to proper procedural process during planning board meetings. And I have been responsible for letting it get a little too loose from time to time. In the past, I thought that um even on
other boards that sometimes it helps to move things along, but clearly it doesn't work well most of the time anymore. So, I want to put everybody on notice that we are going to do this properly. If you want the floor, you will raise your hand. You will ask for
the floor. You will be acknowledged. You need to state your name and your address and then you will have the opportunity to speak. We will not allow anybody to speak over that person. You can have a chance to speak after that person has spoken, but again you will have to raise your hand, be
acknowledged, and you can then proceed. Um, >> at first I thought you were talking about us. You're talking about the audience. >> I'm talking about everybody, including >> So, we have to state our name and address. >> I You didn't let me finish.
>> Okay. Well, I thought that's why I was confused here. >> No, no. board members, of course. But even board members have to be acknowledged. >> No, >> you can't be speaking over everybody. >> Fine, but you you can't tell a board member whether or not they can or cannot
talk. >> No, I'm not saying you can't talk. I'm not saying you don't get to talk. I'm just saying that again, it's opposed to talking over somebody or at somebody, even in the audience or on the board. Everybody's going to have a chance to
independently speak whatever they want to say. >> Nobody's preventing anyone from talking. >> Are we going to continue? I have a question. Are we going to continue with Robert Rules of Order the way you uh >> Yes. As a matter of fact, in in your packet, if you didn't already have one,
there's a simplified version of Robert's rules of order um that you might be able to refer to. Uh it just got in there today, so I really haven't had a chance to really look at it yet either. Um,
also one of the things that um, I found today, oddly enough, the state of Massachusetts apparently does not produce a handbook for planning boards. They do for other boards, but not for planning boards. Now, we do have a
resource, Old Colony Planning Council, that we can uh, reach out to. But I did a little research today and Birksher County Development Collaborative um is apparently recognized for having one of the better outlines for planning
board members procedurally and you know how to act uh at for different applications. Uh I made a copy today uh but I ran out of paper so I couldn't make any more. It's 22 pages. I will make an effort to get some copies made
and get some to everybody. Take a look at them and see if you think they're helpful. I when I looked it over, I thought it would be helpful uh for everybody concerned. >> Did you find it online? >> Yes. What is it again? >> Birkshere um I didn't get that part of the page. It's Birkshere
County Development Collaborative. I'm pretty sure that's it, but if you hit that Birkshshire, it'll pop up. And what's it what's it going to tell? Is it going to duties procedures? Uh
well, yeah, it talks about special permits, site plan approvals, subdivisions and approval, you know, ANR's approvals not required. Uh review process, permitting, planning overview, and and master plan, which is something else I was going to bring up later. um
that it looked like it had some useful information. I'll try to get make copies for everybody and get one to everybody. I didn't realize how low on paper I was. Next up,
PSR PR 26-269 Summer Street, the solar project site plan modification. Um the Yeah. No, no, no. That's >> I have it right here. >> Oh, okay.
There's another copy with Malar. >> Appears to me that they put on what we were looking for. >> I looked better earlier today. What was the change that needed to be on there? Um >> it was the apron uh for the driveway I
believe that that the uh highway department wanted you know to for access to the fire development and uh other than that the other change was uh >> it's actually smaller than what the original plan was that was approved and
the uh the fence if there was uh to be Oh, you got it all right. We >> we approved it contingent upon approval from the conservation commission. The apron being included in the entry exit egress as requested by the highway department. The fence being constructed
before construction on the panels. This is not word. Well, on the panels begins. I I that's just awkward. Something >> before construction begins. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's I think that's what we were nameing to
>> construction on Saturdays um to include uh privacy slats on the fence bordering the soccer fields. >> Yep. >> And I believe that was it. I think it was >> and we didn't change anything on the trees. Did we get anything in writing
from conservation? >> Not yet. Not to my knowledge anyway. I I don't believe we got that. We made it contingent upon and we approved it though. >> So wouldn't proper properly like we would wait to sign it until conservation
is signed off so that we don't end up in the situation that we're going to be reviewing later. >> That's why approvals continue to call. >> Yeah. I mean we approved it. That's I mean we did have a vote. But do we know whether conservation I
mean did conservation email us anything stating that they approved it, disapproved it, continued it? That's why we're supposed to wait until they actually do that, you know, and the 30 days per our bylaw. But that's
>> and you told me that they did approve it, but I can double check on open if you'd like, >> please. Oh, >> good. Thank you, Daniel. >> Thanks, Daniel. Okay. So, we can Well, we'll wait a minute and see if she can find equipment. When did it go? Last week. This week.
>> Last week. >> Last week. >> Yeah. You said it went before then, but I was asking if it was last week after our meeting. >> Yeah, it was going to be 5 days after our meeting. >> Apparently, they were able to schedule a
hearing before the planning board signed off on it. Maybe the uh building permit too. >> Building department. >> They're going to have to get that second. >> So he wouldn't issue one >> until they get a signed offer. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So the hearing was closed on 512.
So they approved it on 512. >> Okay. So it was approved. >> So it was closed and they had an affirmative vote. Is that stating? >> Yes. >> Um, unless somebody isn't satisfied, we need
to fix this language a little bit though. I think we should have the the new clerk fix prior to the panels prior to the U panels beginning to be installed. The fence must be up.
>> Why don't we just >> Yeah. Ready? >> Yeah. No, I I was just trying to decide if we should just uh produce a new letter, that's all. rather than try to change that. >> What are you changing on the letter?
>> Hold on a second, Daniel. Okay. Something like that. Prior to construction, the fence must be constructed on the entirety of the site. >> Something like that. >> Well, what did we vote? >> That's what we voted, right? >> I I don't know.
>> Well, >> we got to check the minutes, though. >> I believe we did. >> Construction. >> The entire fence. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. Um, >> could you read it back to us, please? >> You will the change? >> Yeah.
>> The fence being constructed before con fence being constructed before construction on the panels begin. Fence being constructed be for construction of the site. I >> Yeah,
constructed. Oh, there anything else? Uh the fence must to clarify the fence prior to construction. The fence must be constructed on the entire site. >> Must be in place. >> Yeah. Must be placed. Yeah. Or installed
>> installed according to the site plan. >> Yeah. Must be constructed according to some of the plan presented. I understand. I'm just laughing. >> Yeah. >> What's the letter? >> Uh making a decision. We're reviewing the criteria listed in one because
they're going to clear within the foot like 65 ft before they open up. In making its decision, the planning board reviewed the criteria listed in chapter 16728H of the code of the town of Halifax as part of the site plan review and was assured that the use of
the property would reasonably based on the criteria listed in the bylaw. Any change in the use, the scope of the use or the location of the business would require a new modified site plan review and approval. Any relief request by the applicant which is not expressly granted here is hereby denied and then the vote.
Um, so I'm going to read this one more time. >> Yes, Danielson. >> Yeah. Well, I I'll give her this, but contingent upon approval from the Conservation Commission, um, the apron being included in the entry exit egress
as requested by the highway department, the fence being constructed before the construction of the site begins. And then another line. Prior to construction, the fence must be constructed on the entire entirety of
the site. >> Wouldn't we just cross off that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Before the construction of the pill site, >> just cross off that whole line and then everything else would make up for it.
>> Yeah. We'll make it correct prior to construction. Okay. So, it's going to read, "Prior to construction, the fence must be constructed on the entirety of the site according to the plan presented."
Anybody want to read that again? I will get this to uh correct to Danielle and I can make those adjustments. Um subject to that being redone with that
verbiage. I think we've already in the past voted that uh the chair can sign an approved um decision letter. Does anybody feel uncomfortable with that at this moment or can I get a
motion to have the chair sign the amended letter? >> I'll make a motion board. >> I'll make a motion. >> Can I get a second for that? >> I'll second. >> Um all those in favor I >> I. All those opposed
>> and one abstension. Okay. Next up, next up is the signing of the modified order of conditions for 318 Plymouth Street and any related plans with documents approved May 7th, 2026.
>> Do we have this? >> Um, that is right here. >> Is that our only copy? >> Um, I think Danielle, do we have more copies of this? He only brought me one modified page. >> And the the plan is to
scan it into the uh into the system. Correct. Is that what we're doing? >> Yes. >> But but again, that isn't what our bylaw states. So we need to have it within >> what are you what are you saying >> that we only have one plan so it's not
going to be in any other office and scanned in. Are we giving the hard copy back to the applicant signed? >> No. >> So where's their copy signed? >> Well, we're going to sign it. We're going to scan it and they can have a copy.
>> You mean they'll make a copy of it? We're we're >> or we will >> we're going to scan it into the system. >> We we should keep an original and we can give them a copy. >> So that's why they're supposed to give us more than one copy so that we're not
bearing that expense. >> If I could though, Mr. Chair, >> certainly Mr. Uh it basically bottom line every department will have a a copy of of the plan since it's it's on the computer and they can pull up the pull
up the plans at at any point. So in essence they yes they do each have a copy and have access to the uh to to the plan or any plan for that matter. >> That may be true but it's not following
the bylaw at any time. What are we going to do with nine copies of this thing? >> It's not about the nine copies. It's about following the >> We can modify it. We can make modifications. It's in the bylaw. >> I thought it was state law that also uh
governed, you know, computer uh access as opposed to hard copies of everything. I I got all applications since since co >> Yeah, I was going to say a lot of things changed at CO. Uh I I can't specifically speak. >> I couldn't quote you in exactly.
>> Yeah. >> Well, >> but it's something if you want to double check and look on. We could we could do the research on it. >> Well, this is something we can do. We can still take a vote to sign the plan as presented. >> Can I Can I look at it?
>> Yep. Mr. Chair, yes. >> I think it will also be important to read uh the letter from Pat Brennan also with this plan. >> Y this year, I think the new clerk should read it
from PGB engineering that was requested. Yeah, we should probably read it in now. >> It's pertinent to the plan. >> Mr. Vice Chair. >> Oh, uh, uh, PGB Engineering LLC. Civil Engineering Design and Consulting uh
letter dated May 21st uh 2026 to the uh Halifax Planning Board town offices 499 Plymouth Street in Halifax subject as uh 318 Plymouth Street uh construction inspection. Dear planning board members, in response to your
request, uh we have reviewed the Halifax self storage site plan with sheets 1, 9, and 10 revised uh April 20th, 2026 and new sheets 15 through 19 dated April
20th, 2026. There are two changes. There are two changes from the approved plans. Number one, the location of the septic system leeching field has been moved from from southeast of building G to northeast of building C. Uh number two,
site grading has been lowered to reduce the amount of fill required on the project. Based on our review of the plans, the proposed changes do not change the storm water design. The postdevelopment rates and volumes of runoff will match the rates and volumes
of runoff that were approved by the board. Essentially, the changes listed above will have no adverse effect on adjacent profit properties. Please give us a call should you have any question. Very truly yours uh PGB engineering LLC
by Patrick G. Brennan and his seal on it. So this plan shows the chain link actually a little bit more than what we had discussed which is fine with me but
it starts here and goes all the way over here. Are we talking about >> what? Where? There's one copy, >> but it doesn't show it in the legend. >> There's a page on the bottom that's
highlighted in yellow. Added fence and snow removal notes. I think that's the last that. >> Yeah, that's what I believe was discussed. You want to read this? >> Yes, please. >> I don't really I don't see it in the
legend. >> It says black vinyl chain link fence. The snow removal um on the plan states snow removal plan for snowfall events under six
>> in snow shall be stored in areas as noted in the plan for events greater than 6 in. Snow shall be removed from the site and disposed on um excuse me and disposed >> in suitable. >> Suitable areas.
>> What does suitable areas mean? >> That means the Commonwealth deems some areas acceptable for snow removal and some areas not. >> Shouldn't that be suitable areas offsite? >> To be clear, >> did he not say that? >> Nope. He said in disposed of in suitable areas
>> shall be removed from sight. >> Excuse me. shall be removed. Thank you. >> I got it confused with the uh first part of the sentence where it said it was going to stay stay 34.
Could I see where the fence is going to be? >> Yeah, >> it's um >> right here. So, it's this, but it's >> it's going to go down to here. >> Yeah. >> Okay, that's fine. >> Yeah, that's what I recall being discussed.
>> Golf courses, right? Right. >> Exactly. Put a fence on somebody else's propert. >> Could I have a copy of this or I don't know how to make a copy yet? >> Actually, that copy is not working well out there. You might want to go office
and have him make a copy. I tried to make coffee earlier turns into a PDF Do you guys want to see this point? >> The same we saw last Thank you. >> That makes sense.
Whose coffee was this? It was yellow highlight on the bottom of the page. I believe that. Are we only signing the firstish? pages. It's going to get
there won't be any chance. You find it page that you and I were looking Heat. Heat. Oh yeah, that's the wall there. Should we get the signing going?
>> Well, let's voting on it. So, it's here to be signed. >> Yes. >> Is unless anybody else has anything from the audience. >> Well, did they meet all their conditions here? So, no removal plan on >> blockchain links plans to be installed
on the left or westerly end of the facility and adjacent from the country club. Follow-up letter from PGD. We got that >> down there. If there's more room, we'll sign it down there. >> Yep. >> They've satisfied all the conditions we put on it. >> Everybody on it.
>> Also entertain a motion for the chair to sign for the board the decision letter. >> Do we have that decision letter? >> We have to do it on each. >> We have the decision letter here. >> Okay. >> I'll make a motion uh to allow the uh the chair to sign
That's why I love reading it. >> Should we read it out loud? >> Well, I was starting to, but >> Oh, sorry. I didn't That's what you were doing. >> At a meeting held on Thursday, May 7th, 2026, the Halifax Planning Board. The board voted 41 to approve your
application for site plan modification PSPR26-1 submitted on February 19th, 2026 with final revised plans dated May 20th, 2026 by Gary James on behalf of property owner Tracy White for construction of a storage facility said to be located at
318 Plymouth Street, Halifax, Massachusetts, as shown on assessors map 63, lot 6C with the following conditions. Snow removal plans shown on the plans. black chain link fench to be in installed on the left and/or westerly end of the facility and adjacent from
the country club follow-up letter from PGB engineering reiterating that the drainage will not be affected by the modifications made and then the standard language about making the decision what the planning relied upon and any changes
we use need to be brought back and it shows the the vote which was 4 41 in favor. >> I would I I make a motion to accept that letter.
>> I'll second that. >> Moved and seconded to accept the letter. Did you also include having the chair sign for the board? >> Well, not yet. >> We are here, so I would just say sign it. >> Yep. >> All those in favor? >> I. All those opposed.
>> Are we are we putting um the date of today on this plan? >> Yes. The day we signed it. >> Okay. >> And Mr. Chair, can you please tell me the um PSP again, please? >> Certainly. Um >> PSP uh-26.
Oh, no. That's wrong. You're okay. >> Yeah, it is 26-1. >> Yep. -1. >> Yeah. 26-1. >> Okay. >> It is. Yeah.
We're going to get a bigger stand. It doesn't leave much room for signatures, huh? I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. >> Mr. Find a spot. science takes up all the lines. Yeah.
Thank you. Yep. >> To get the original >> um Caesar said he'd scan this in right now so that we can send um >> if he's got access to the scanner. Yeah, >> I'll give it to him and he'll give it back to us before the end of the meeting. >> Yeah, that's fine.
>> Thank you very much, guys. >> You don't want to be clerking. I know. >> Wait for him to come back. >> You have the original letter, right? >> That's what I was just getting off the copy. >> He'll bring us the plan back in a few minutes.
>> Thank you. >> I think that I have the elastic in my hand. Oh, excellent. I was looking for that. >> Sorry. >> Where'd it go? >> Um >> Oh, you got it. I'm losing it. Um
All right. Back to the agenda. I'm making cor progress. All right. Next up under the category of discussions, Mr. Okerfeld had asked to come in and speak to the board and uh we put him on
the agenda. Mr. Oakfield, it is your floor. >> Yep. So, Jake 301 Street, you want me to stand up or fine. >> So, first off, I'd just like the state um kind of gather some information as far as when a resident of the town asks for something to be placed on the
agenda, what is the proper protocol for that? to notifi well the request comes to the chair. The chair sets the agenda. You need to go at least to the administrative assistant to leave a message to ask for the chair to put you
on the agenda. >> And for the record, can you just identify the administrative assistant? >> Uh Danielle Aki. >> Okay. So with respect to that, if I sent an email asking for an item to be placed on the agenda to the administrative
secretary assistant, um then it would be forwarded to yourself. Is that accurate? >> That's how it should work. Yes. >> Would there be any reason why it would be sent to anybody else? >> Uh I can't >> outside of the planning board itself.
>> I I can't think of one. >> Okay. And as far as the agenda items, what's going to be put on the agenda? Who decides if a planning board is uh planning board meeting is canled and what agenda items are placed on the plan?
>> Typically the chair or vice chair in lie of the chair. >> So within within a public records request that I recently re received a um the records indicated that the building inspector was notified about my ask of having something put on the agenda. He
then responded by saying he was going to cancel the meeting and then speak >> cancel what meeting? >> The planning board meeting >> for uh April 2nd, 2026. Uh I just don't understand how a
building inspector himself can voice his concern or cancel a meeting or why he's even making that decision. If you can just clarify for me. I I I can't speak to it because I don't remember any circumstances around that. I would have to discuss it with
>> Can I Can I just ask was did we have or was the meeting of April 20? >> April 2. >> April second was that was that meeting canceled? Did we not have a meeting on April 2nd? >> I believe it was there was no meeting on April 2nd.
>> Yes. So on the 30th, the building inspector had identified that he was going to cancel it, that he would not accept my last minute agenda appointment. Uh he said he followed up that email saying that he'd reach out to the board chair and discuss it with him.
I just don't understand how what's the what's the difference between a planning board and a building? I I just am I scheduling stuff for the agenda through the building inspector? >> No. >> Or the town planner, I should say. This is coming up later on the on on
discussions. >> Okay. >> Um just kind of jumping ahead a little bit. The appointment or designation of planner kind of came as a surprise to most everybody. Um I had I have in fact
approached the select board and stated to them that there needs to be some kind of a description of the responsibilities that he is going to be assigned to. I said there is no job description. There is no um nothing to indicate what the
town planner quote unquote is responsible for, should be doing, can do, can't do. Um, I brought up the fact that, uh, no matter what, if the town planner
wants to come to a meeting or is asked to come to a meeting, um, that he's not going to sit on the board on the panel, must be in the audience and ask for recognition. And and you know, anyone can speak at a
town meeting, but excuse me, at a board meeting. >> A board meeting. Um, however, they still have to be recognized andor asked. So, so we're going to define the role of the planner. I'm not sure exactly what happened in that instance. I think that
>> I as I recall a little bit, there wasn't anything much on the agenda to have a meeting. >> But there was but I I >> I had put the request in in a timely manner. Is that accurate? And so I just don't understand how his confusion of
his his authority as the >> building >> commission >> enforcement commission or whatever his position is this this week um supersedes planning board itself and delayed my ask of the board to speak
about this. I >> I can't answer to it without discussing what the circumstances were there. I I'm not even sure about the timeline whether they had appointed him as planner at that point. Do you know >> at that time I don't >> I I don't think so either. Uh I I would have me personally I would have to
investigate to give you any kind of an answer. >> Is that something you look into? Sure. Look into them for me. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Jake if if I can. >> Yeah. >> Uh I've shared a couple different and whatnot and uh as far as I know the chair is the only one that can cancel a
meeting. Now, if there aren't enough members present, if uh circumstances arise, something comes up, uh the chair, if medical reasons, something like that, yes, it would go to the the next person in line. >> Vice Chair, >> there is uh there's no way a person
outside the buller could just just inadvertently cancel a meeting. >> Sir, I completely understand. I I I >> No, Jake, the only thing I'm I'm thinking of is is basically bottom line, uh maybe he just referred to it wrong. Oh, you know, the meeting's canceled. Uh
or or I understand the meeting's canceled or >> there's direct going to cancel the meeting. >> Yeah, just can't I'm trying to understand >> the chairman can. >> Yeah, I I I'm trying to recall the events of April 2nd. Um not that it was that long ago, but long enough. It was
March 31st in the correspondence. >> My guess is perhaps not knowing that um there was a request. >> I may have looked and said there's nothing on the agenda, we're going to end up cancing this meeting because there's nothing on the agenda, not
knowing what the circumstances were. He may have >> the indication on the email itself said that the person would reach out to you to tell you advise you that you he was going to cancel the meeting. >> I just don't understand how the plan board. >> They can't. They can't. I mean, I may
have ultimately said yes, cancel the meeting, but I not knowing all the circumstances, >> but I >> I can forward you that correspondence. >> Sure. You've got my email, right? >> Yep. Um, so with respect to the actual issue that's going on, um, back on
September 5th, 2025, sorry, I'll I'll back up. October 17, 2024, the board itself um chose to approve this site plan with conditions.
I had forward you all the information as far as what the the clerk's decision letter was that was stamped. Um so part of that the conditions for that property was subject to confirmation from the conservation stating that they were
satisfied with the plan as presented. Did you ever receive any confirmation from the conservation commission that they were satisfied? >> Not to my knowledge. >> You're talking about October 2025.
>> Yep. No, 2024. >> 24. >> So the plans that you guys signed off on on that specific day, are you aware that has those plans specifically changed two, if not three times since USA for
approval? >> It was actually just a court case that was determined there, too. >> Yeah, that was for the storm water management, not the conditions itself. >> Okay. I'm trying to find I I know the condition letter was in my packet someplace. I can't
hear. >> Okay. >> Would you like me to read this out loud? >> What's the date on that? >> November 7th, 2024. prior to the conservation meeting. >> Oh, I found it.
>> Well, the clerk should probably read it. >> It's up to you, Jamie. Do you want me to read it? >> You can read it. On November 7th, Robert Gainner signed this letter to Liddell, care of an Solooki, PO Box 275,
Killington, Vermont05751. Dam, Mr. Liddell. At a meeting held on Thursday, October 17, 2024, the Halifax Planning Board voted 3 to one to endorse the site plan review for
PSPR24-1. Site plan application was submitted on August 6th, 2024 by Prince Leel on behalf of property owner Garrett Liddell of Liddell Development LLC. said to be located at 285 Home Street, Halifax,
Mass, as shown on assessor's map 22, lot 7. The conditions are as follows. Subject to confirmation from conservation stating that they are satisfied with the plan as presented. Subject to the lighting in the back of
the building being permanently disabled. Current use will cease completely subject to the application for change of use being approved. In making its decision, the planning board reviewed the criteria listed in chapter 16728H
of the code of the town of Halifax as part of the site plan review and was assured that the use of the property was reasonable based on the criteria listed in the bylaw. Any change in the use, the scope of the use or the location of the business will require a new or modified
site plan review and approval. Any relief requested by the applicant which is not expressly granted here is hereby denied. The following are the votes of each planning board member on the application. Robert Gainner, chairman,
yes. Thomas Millius, vice chair, yes. Amy Troop, clerk, no. Brendan Elliot, yes. Sincerely, Robert Gainor. So just to echo off of that, so backing up, you had indicated that you had not
received any confirmation from the conservation commission that they were satisfied with the plan as presented. >> I I am not aware of any such document. I don't know if anyone else is. Do you have any recollection Danielle? Any any recollection?
I don't believe we ever got a document from con. >> I don't think so. But I don't think this has anything to do with me. >> I think that never happened. My I'm trying to piece it together. I was
not completely involved in that uh end of it at the concom that's when the dispute started and that's how it ended up in in court. Is that is that reasonably accurate? >> Yeah. So there was a revision to the site plan November 1st, 2024. I I sent
you the the site plan itself that showed the revisions. There was also revision on March 27th of 2025. Um uh uh additionally during a meeting on no May 27th 2025 uh Mr. Gainner had asked the
conservation commission during the meeting uh if there was substantial changes to the plan which the conservation commission identified that there was substantial changes. I know Mr. Pavick from Liddell from the development side of it said that uh it's
kind of hearsay but there was substantial changes any changes so if you present a plan to another department as a condition saying you're satisfied with a plan as presented to me and maybe
probably to anybody else as common knowledge as presented means here's the plan there's no changes they're satisfied with that since then it changed twice. There's been substantial changes with the plan itself with drainage calculations which has been an issue
since day one. Um I have provided more than enough satisfactory evidence showing the lights still come on to this day. They might have been off like the last month but they're still on. That's part of the conditions. So it's a violation of the conditions the cease
cease abuse during that meeting that you guys discussed on October 17 2024 there was a discuss discussion with an soalinsky that was a representative at that time she indicated that the use of that property would cease Mr. The gainer
had had identified that the storage of vehicles, trailers, equipment, stuff like that that would cease upon the adherence of this. To date, that has not ceased. They have not put the storm water management system in. Now, the
town is entertaining a new site plan for that facility. >> We have that has not been >> I know it has not been presented. I'm not going to talk about it. I'm just saying within that site plan it says the conditions on that site plan that they you know presented shows existing
drainage. There has not been any drainage added to this property. I don't understand why the board itself has not addressed this where I've stop I've talked to the planning I've talked to the building. The building says it's on
you. Planning says it's on the door. I need answers. This is negatively impacting my family, my life, my marriage. I need answers today. Okay, enough is enough. 6 months has gone by since I've asked for immediate zoning
enforcement at this property and nothing has been done. What is the neglect? There's neglect across the board. Not only from the planning, not only from Con, not only from the town administration, not only from the
building inspector. Neglect is neglect. Enforcement of bylaws that this town holds is the only thing we got. Why are we not enforcing it? That's my question. Why are we not enforcing it and holding them accountable like everybody else? I've
sat in these meetings with all these other companies in this town coming in front of the board even recently, even today, holding people accountable for stuff that's on the site plan. What's different with this property compared to
the property that abuts an individual at the end over there? Lighting was a concern, drainage was a concern, every other facility in this town. What are we scared for? But what? That's all I ask. I'm a
resident in this town. I'm a taxpayer in this town. And I can't even rely on my officials for this town to hold people accountable and follow the bylaws, our rules and regulations of this town. That's my question
for myself. I hear exactly what you're saying. enforcement is the is the proper procedure here. Unfortunately, the planning board all the planning board can really do is ask for enforcement.
If you are not satisfied with the enforcement, then you would have to go to the appointing authority of the person responsible to enforce the bylaws and the conditions and try to get satisfaction from that. I I I know this
is sounds like I'm just pass I understand, but with respect to that, the board has been they've been advised numerous times. What actions have you taken to tell the zoning enforcement or the building inspector, hey, this is a
violation of our conditions, enforce it. As a board, I don't think we've taken any any actual physical action. I know I personally have asked to have it inspected. There are some issues about going on the
property that are legal that I'm not going to get into because it isn't me. Uh, I am privy to knowing that the building inspector/ enforcement officer recently was able to get into the
building and make some determinations. Um, I think what I would do if I was sitting there, and I'd be upset too if if I felt that, you know, nobody was paying attention to me. I would ask for a written response as to what actions have
been taking taken and what the results of those actions are. So now you've got something to go on and you can in fact go and you can present to the appointing authority. I I mean I know none of this is going to make you happy. >> No, I understand that. But you got to
realize where I'm coming from is I've sent over two dozen emails in the last six, seven months with zero response from the building inspector. Zero. >> Which building commission are you talking about? This one the old one the one previous one.
>> Yes. Okay. >> Uh between the between the two of them. >> My concern is we have bylaws in this town. You guys set conditions. Why is people walking all over your board? with the conditions you set. What precedent
does that set? They know they can get away with it. There's no repercussions from it. I mean, it says right here, any change in use, the scope of use or the location of the business will require a new modified site plan. I have recently within the last week provided your board
with documentation showing that they're selling antiques out of that property. When did they ever come in front of this board and say that they they want a sales place or they want to sell antiques? Never. Right. Is that accurate? >> That's accurate. >> Okay. So, isn't that a violation of a
change of use? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, what is the board going to do today to enforce this to make this happen? What we can do is ask for an enforcement action. We can take a vote to ask the
enforcement officer to enforce the site plan con the site plan as presented and any violations of any town bylaws currently existing on the property. That's pretty much the extent of what we can do. And and if that doesn't happen,
again, not trying to keep passing the buck here, but it's the appointing authority that you would have to go see. >> And and the we're not the appointing authority. >> No, I haven't seen I I've raised concerns about the over a dozen vehicles, unregistered commercial
vehicles on that property. Nothing gets done. I think I I I think he has some answers to some of that because he I and I believe that he got some kind of um
answers from town council um that he could probably provide. It gets a little tricky there if there's any litigation going on and I'm not privy to any of that. >> Litigation's over. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, so you can in fact I I don't know what your relationship is
with the building inspector, but you could request any uh information that he's currently in >> I have. Yeah, I I've reached out and asked for any information or enforcement actions, stuff like that. I get nothing. So clearly this indication right now is
that he has more conversation with you as the board than he does with the person that's making the complaint, which is concerning. >> Not with as the board. >> No, no. I mean, he has >> just so that you're aware. I'm just giving you that information. >> It's not the board. >> He doesn't give me any information. >> I tend to be in the building a lot, so I
overhear a lot of stuff and he did intimate uh that he was able to get on the property and I think I even relayed that to you. Um >> Tom, isn't it that um during the Sleman's meeting, Tom Broen was saying, I mean, sorry, Mike Broen was stating that you guys were going to be spending
three hours a week together. >> Oh, that's news to me. that you had been that was on the Slackman's meeting when they appointed him in April. >> Well, >> with a two to one abstaining vote with only
the building commissioner at that meeting and no planning, no wage and personnel, and no finance committee considerations. There go. That's why I made an inquiry as to placing some kind of a description on what the planner is supposed to be
doing. As far as that three hours goes, I know nothing of that. >> You should watch the meeting. >> I thought the 3 hours was just what he could spend as the town planner, not with Tom, >> but he also hour in hour out hour out hour. So 3 hours total, >> but not necessarily sitting with Tom for
3 hours donating it. >> Right. >> He had been saying that they had been going around the town together. I've never been out on the town with him in that meeting. >> I didn't hear that either that he was going up. >> We don't go out just so that that's
clear. >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Thanks. Um I don't know the role either but um Don 21 but you would think that the board here we appeared that there pretty much violations of what you've asked to have happen by the town lawyer can't send him
a cease this letter prepared before the board to answer for these things that he's done right in fact prove whether this is in fact true or not but the lawyer you'd think would have to send him a letter come before you immediately and tell you whether what's happened here or not and then you know cease in
the system until that stop. That's just something you know that I would have >> I think the lawyer would not take that upon herself to do that. >> She'd have to Well, we have the authority to do that. >> Well, wouldn't you break if you break in the
>> cuz I think it's going to go to the >> Let me put it this way. Could we ask yet? Would that have to respond to anything we requested? No. Because at the end of the day, it's the select men who authorize any expenditures in the legal fund. They would have to give the
direction. I I can only respond in has how I have personally responded to these kinds of things. If I thought it was something that I wanted to have happen, I would have to go to the selectman to have it authorized. number one, just to even
speak to the attorney because there's money involved in that and legal accounts in every town are in terrible condition. Uh and then the the selectman would have to in fact authorize the action to take place. >> Would you by doing that when you you're
covering the planning board by doing that, right? If you send it to the select position, well, you would at least cover it. Was your legal status on that? >> Yeah, we can't we can't directly go. A couple meetings ago, you had directly gone and gotten advice from legal
counsel, but that's one of the reason why we asked >> that's hold on, I'm speaking. One of the reasons is is that uh that an elected board should be able to ask for legal counsel is because number one, the select board does not
um have use they don't have any authority over an elected board. It's the people. So when we have an issue, we should be able to go directly to town council. So, the fact that you went to town council is completely okay with me because it should be our decision because number one, that puts in a
delay. Number two, they don't have any authority over us. And number which is mysteriously why I have no idea how they could appoint a a a town planner without sitting with the planning board. That's like mindblowing absurd.
But that being said, we should be able to act and go go to our land use town council and ask them to write a letter. Absolutely. And I will state that Jake has been absolutely trying to get this on the agenda. And I have emailed the
planning board since the beginning of March about this, getting it on the agenda, including today all the way back to the beginning of March. I've tried to get this on the agenda. Just so that you know, >> I have been speaking with Jake over the
past couple of weeks about this. We we have had some agreement in some fashions here. Um, as far as the legal aspect of this goes, anytime I've spoken to town attorney or asked for any kind of a ruling from town attorney, I have gone
and asked for permission. Did not do it unilaterally. You cannot get permission. The attorneys won't even talk to you unless it's authorized by the selectant of the town administrator. That's how it is. Everybody's trying to keep their budgets. You you can't just have every
town employee elected or appointed or otherwise just call the attorneys anytime they want to know something. It just doesn't work that way. >> No, usually it would be a vote of the board. And we do have our own we do have our own um expense account.
>> Yeah. Well, I I I don't know how long that would last, but >> I I myself have been in direct con conversation with the town attorney or council. Uh we, you know, correspond on email. Um so I am brought privy to
what's going on, stuff like that. She has indicated there's nothing that's going to support that they can't enforce the bylaws. That's what I don't understand. >> The attorneys can't. >> No, the the town. >> Oh, okay. I see that's something >> I just don't understand how I can sit
here today and you guys as a board can put conditions on a site plan approval and not hold anybody accountable. What's the point of putting conditions? What is it realistically? >> I I I don't know. My wife spent more
time in the last 5 years on this than the building inspector will ever do with his career in this you in this town. >> Guaranteed thousands of hours I put into this documentation. I not only work 40 hours
a week, sometimes 60 hours a week, but on top of that, I'm up till 11, 12, 1:00 in the morning researching and researching and researching, spending time away from my family, my kids, trying to figure out what's going on,
what what the neglect is with this town. And no answers, still to this day, 5 years now, no answers have been given to us. >> Mr. Chairman, when did the uh the litigation get resolved as far as >> as far as conservation?
>> Well, there was pending litigation uh between the applicant and and the town. >> Yeah, it went from 2020 I think it was like October of 2025 till recently. It was um >> February 18th. >> February 18th.
>> 20th was finally signed off on on the 20th >> on the we're talking litigation with the storm water management specific to the conditions that the conservation not the bylaws not the other >> just specific to the conditions of the
storm water like the conditions that the board put on for the storm water. >> What's the final final decision on that? It's in your uh It's in the back. >> So, Mr. Chair, if I may. So, >> yes.
>> I've never heard of 285 Home Street in my life. So, just um where do we go from here? >> We can in fact >> I mean, clearly he's been something has to get done. >> Yeah. And and to his point, he has put in a ton of ton of work. I I was
impressed when you first started coming in with the amount of information that you provided. It was it was again impressive. Um we can in fact as board draft the letter ask for enforcement CC
the selectman so that they're aware of it. Um and if that doesn't happen then we can go directly to the selectman. >> So moved. I I think it should be in included discussion uh to notify uh legal about this also have it brought up to date so
that everybody's on on board with this and we don't have to waste time. Okay, we figured this out now. Let's go to the attorney. Let's get everybody working on it one shot. There was uh I think the application dated back years and years where certain uh
uh certain things were were moved were uh weren't considered for site plan weren't considered uh they were they were waved and uh from from way back on the early inceptions of of this application which again didn't make
sense. That all has to be taken into account. But if the only thing I I could possibly say, Jacob, I mean, again, it's not an excuse. But if if it was over a year and it was pending litigation, I don't think you're going to get any attorney to say this pending litigation.
You can do this, this, and this. You you pretty much have to, you know, abide by what your own town council has to say. >> The litigation >> so you don't screw anything up. >> I'm sorry, J. >> Yep. So as far as litigation, the litigation was specific to conditions of
the site >> site >> specific to the storm water management that does not negate town bylaw. >> 100% >> town bylaws can still be enforced 24/7, 7 days a week
with even if litigation is going on, they can still enforce bylaw. That's what we have the bylaws in this town for. >> Yeah. And to that point specifically, you're up. It isn't just the site plan. It's any general bylaw. >> That's chapter 161 with the
>> all municipal bylaws, all of it, >> not just 167 zone. >> So with respect to that, I understand that you guys are in the discussion se section of this. I, as the resident that has been dealing with this for the last 5 years, would respectfully ask you to
to enforce a cease and desist on this property until they come into the conditions of their site plan agreement. That's what I would say. >> Well, I would actually like to add that they need to come in here with a site plan modification since they've modified
how many times did you say? Two, three. guaranteed two times if not three times >> which is why we don't let things go >> 30 days approved by your board >> what was budget the
>> drain stuff like that calculations uh the basins that were there that were illegally installed >> locations were being changed the type of basins >> yeah which it was indicated during a a a meeting that those were substantial
changes significant ificant changes. >> Mhm. >> So your signatures aren't on that end result plan. >> It has to come back to the planning board to be revised and voted on and another hearing has to be done with you guys.
>> Mr. Chair, can I ask a question? >> So what's involved in a cease? >> Cease and desist. >> Yeah. >> Well, we can't issue a cease and desist. >> Correct. >> But we can ask for it. >> And what what happens after that? >> Okay. my my lowdown on season.
>> I I I think I know what it's going to be, but go ahead. >> And and you know, just spent four hours in court on one yesterday. >> Mhm. >> The enforcement official can write a cease and desist. You have to be very specific. What are you violating the chapters of the bylaw? And and
literally, you've got to really spend some time and make sure that this is done properly because you will get picked apart instantly in in a courtroom, specifically by the judges. You get your town attorney to file it. I
will also add that most town attorneys do not want to do this because it is such a pain in the ass. clerk magistrates don't even like this municipal stuff. They will try to boot it down the path because they don't want to deal with it. The courts really don't
want to deal with it, but eventually it will get hurt. Um, you go in and you try to convince the judge is exactly what's going on, what they're violating. And again, you have to be very specific. You have to bring
whatever documentation you can bring. Sometimes they look at it, sometimes they don't, but you have to have it just in case. and then hope that you get a ruling and then they're in violation of a court order which is a whole different animal than being in violation of a town or that's being trying to be enforced by
the town. Now you've got some claw, you know, during >> Can I be the devil's Can I be the devil's advocate on this? Just curious. >> Um, you get the court order. They say it and they still say, >> "Well, now you're in contempt of court."
>> Okay. Then what happens? You get arrested for that court system. You know, judges don't like their orders being contempt. >> Correct. So just take it be a process, but eventually Okay. That's what I was asking. Exactly. Now, in the meantime, if you think you have grounds to fine,
almost all zoning violations are findable with up to $300 per day with each day constituting a separate offense. >> Try collecting it. That >> per day per violation. >> Yeah. Per day per violation. But try to collect it, >> right? I know. >> At that point, would there be a lean on
the property through the town? >> So, I mean, if whoever's going to enforce this, it might >> in a perfect world, could you maybe lean it? Yeah. Would you get anywhere with it? Probably not. >> I understand also that when on the if
there was a fine initiated once once it gets to court and filed in court, you know, to to answer it, those fines stop. That's how I understand it. >> Yeah. If you can get them at all ever. >> If you can get them at all ever. >> Yeah. Just um one thing I'd recommend
doing project manage stuff like that too is is that there's you put together a chronology this history here to find out make sure the town's in line, right? And everything we did up to this point is accurate right before you push the envelope. And then I would take tell you to take a look at this and go to the
town council and say they violated these things officially based on all of these dates. We need to send this notice out to them, right? You covered the board, >> you know, for the past. You got all that and you sent him a note to cease and desist. Well, you didn't do it, but you requested it, right? From the selector.
They got to choose whether to do that or not. But at least you're on the situation where you guys are up front and you have all your history behind it and then you're ready to go to court if you had to by the lawyer. And one last thing, do we have anything in our bylaws that allow us to charge him all the
attorney fees and for people who violate the law? Is that in our is that in other words, if this guy's going to rack up 10,000 legal fees, >> is it in our bylaws or anything we can charge them for that >> or does it need to be? uh even if you had them in there, the courts wouldn't
necessarily agree. If you're bringing an action against somebody, you're on the hook for that. If you've gotten seriously damaged by something, you can sometimes sue for for legal costs, too. That typically doesn't happen. >> The issue though, I think what you're looking at, I've been in the police a couple of times, too. I've been to
courts, too. The issue is is your where your standing is on this, right? So if you have all this information, you got this out there and you're asking him to come before you to go over this stuff in your letter. And if they don't address that, you have got another ruling at that point that says, "We brought this
in. We went through the process." >> I understand where you're going with that. >> That makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Mr. Chair, could I ask one question? >> I'm sorry. >> Can I ask one more question? >> Um, is there there's there's a supposedly there's another there's a third drawing that's out there. Is that
with the town? >> My understanding is that they're now looking to modify the site um with a uh communications to add to on the property. >> They just they buzz. They just want to
torture us. >> Yeah. Just let me finish. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So So they would have to come back anyway. I I know that I had a brief conversation with the building inspector about this and he
he's taking the position and he's absolutely right that it's an accessory use and there now has to be a designated primary use. >> How do you have an accessory use if you don't have a primary use? >> So, don't make sense. >> Apparently, they're preparing a plan to
come in which is a site plan modification. So, we will get a stab at this. Um, I don't know how soon that's going to happen. That I can't attest to. >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah. No, you you hit right. I was just going to ask for the accessory use, the
secondary use of the property. It is public record on open gov right now with the plans and that's why I had talked about the plan showed existing storm water management, existing cash reasons. Nothing's been installed. So in my eyes,
>> hold them accountable for what they need to install that property now that we spent legal fees for fighting in court and sitting in front of these boards and my time that I put out here. Hold them accountable to install that. Then we'll
take them up on the cell phone tower. >> Yeah. I I I was looking forward to getting the application so that we have a chance at this um as opposed to going at it legally spending money and then really having it all deferred to the new plan cuz that's going to happen. >> I believe one of those Monday I don't
want to discuss it more because there's a lot to it. >> Yeah. >> That I've already been >> Yeah. So tower thing is a whole different issue. The federal communications act is overwhelming and they are all powerful. Um it's really tough to get one of those things denied.
But anyway, but I think we're going to get another shot at this thing. >> Well, so as far as zoning zoning as far as the zoning >> enforcement >> enforcement like so when you say it's >> No, we're going to get a shot at the same. >> Yeah. But one just to speak on that since you brought it up. Um as far as
the variances, it's hard with the Federal Communications Act of 1996 to deny them for the zoning. But the other side of it is it has to fall within the stipulations of the town, the planning board, FCC, all there's a lot, >> not to mention MBTA,
>> MBTY that does all the realy for the MBTA. >> Uh, Cranland. >> I was going to say >> Pass. There's a lot to it. >> We have a tower up on 58 that nobody ever sees. It's on the easterly side. You can't see it. That thing had to be
cut down because I pointed out that it was on the glide path to Cranland Airport. >> So that thing ended up being shorter than they wanted. >> The planes fly over my pool to the point where I can see the pilots faces taken off.
They're going to be within 50 ft of where that tower is going. So we'll we'll discuss that at a later date. >> I built out Chandles Mill Road in Hansen. All those 10 houses we had to include in the deeds that it was next to Cranland airport because when those things were coming in the land we were about 50 feet above the roof which is
kind of crazy. I'm sorry I didn't even read that. >> Uh I agree with what Jamie said. Let's get something done. >> There's a motion on the floor right now. You like to clarify that? >> Yeah, I was going to a minute but I also was going to ask a question about Well,
no, I'm not going to ask a question. I'm going to say, why doesn't the building commissioner go over with the site and from the outside do something about the vehicles that are in clear vision? Because that is clearly on the decision letter that they're not supposed to be there and that was supposed to cease and
desist from the beginning. So, he should have gone over there and enforced that years ago. >> So, yeah. So just to stem off that, I don't mean to step on anybody's toes, but during that meeting on >> the 17th, >> October 17th, there was a discussion
about the narrative that was provided with the site plan that you you as a board reviewed with the hours of operation Monday through Friday. >> No afternoon deliveries, no weekend stuff, no use of the back property.
That has not happened. >> Correct. I'm getting woken up at 1:00 in the morning with equipment getting loaded. My four-year-old daughter, three-year-old at the time getting woken up with backup alarms. >> I have other residents that live on
Alena that deal with the same stuff. What are we doing? What are we doing as a town? One of the mistakes I think that the board made, not that the board hasn't made many over the years, we didn't include enough things in the conditions. Those things that they
agreed to do should have been written into the decision. >> They were discussed, but they weren't. >> But the one thing you did include in there are the conditions that plan as presented, >> right? >> The lights which I've indicated and showed you
>> and I remember them saying specifically that they would >> any change. Sorry, that's I don't want to stop. >> I'm sorry. I've talked over you. In any change of the use or scope, I provide you with documentation showing that there the sun is selling antique furniture out of that facility itself.
That's a change of use that itself would require them to come back to this board to be reviewed by the planning board. If that's not clear as day, >> what was the use for when they got approved? >> What's it zon for? Light industrial.
Sorry, >> light industrial. >> Yeah. So originally it was storage of antique furniture. They landed a change of use. So they got a occupancy permit for storage of antique furniture >> inside. >> Yep. >> Inside all >> and a small manufacturing that would be
one employee maybe two if they did good. >> So the original to stem off anything the original site plan was for storage of antique furniture. They went to the board, they got approved, yada yada yada the lighting got waved, yada yada. They
then went back and said, "We want to change of use." They never got a new occupancy permit on that change of use, which is required. The change of use was going to be the light manufacturing and storage of sign components. They were
going to be like a Liddell over in the industrial park creating these putting together these signs. Everything according to their narrative was going to be within doors of that facility, not stored outside. If it was going to be
stored out, it would be within proximity of the actual building, not out back. I've supplied numerous photographs showing I look out to what I describe as a junkyard. >> Mhm. I'm looking out my front door.
Reflective cones, signs, barrels, gas cans, propane tanks, trucks, unre I live on daily. I drive by. It's a total grapple. It's >> And I know we have an individual, a resident from Alana that looks out his back window to the same thing.
>> That's my concern. What are we doing? >> Why do we have these boards? Why do we have these bylaws? We're not going to just let everybody do what they want to do. What's the point? >> Chairman, >> uh, >> I'm I'm sorry, Chris has had his hand up for a while. >> Two questions since we're talking about
this. U, when you set stipulations for a propert 129 Circuit Street, when you set stipulations for a property, does zoning have to follow those stipulations or if they don't feel it's correct, overrule it? >> You talking about the zoning board of
appeals? uh zoning enforcement. >> Well, typically they should get a zoning determination. I've had this discussion too. Before anything comes before board, somebody should get a written zoning determination. This is how we've been
doing it in other towns associated with that way everybody knows whether it's an approved use or not. And then you can move from there. We haven't historically done that here. Um I I I think it would be a good idea. Um that's
something that uh >> Well, I I think I mentioned more too like in lighting. Say you made stipulations on lighting but enforcement felt it wasn't correct and just letting >> if you if you write that into the site plan, they'd have to enforcement. Okay.
And consequently, things that you didn't write into the site plan, I think you brought it up earlier, and they're in violation of any part of the general bylaws or zoning bylaws, that's enforceable as well. even though, you know, it wasn't specifically mentioned. >> So, you can't make another determination like, well, that's okay and let it go.
>> If if it's in the stipulations, you know, it's enforcable. >> So, just so I know I sent them to you, but those are the lights that come off the back. This is after your conditions. >> Does that have a date on it, Jake? >> That was uh I believe that was January
of this year. >> Okay. I have no exterior lights shining on my house. That is the lighting that shines on my house. >> It's pretty bright. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's like a high beam headlight stere. >> There's actually two homes there. Is there a little one that's closer to your
sister-in-law? And she has >> her house gets lit up. >> Yeah, she has the same situation. >> I'm sorry. I want to let this gentleman speak. He had his hand. >> Uh Adam Lincoln 44 Aldana. Uh my properties actually has the most body property next to all of it. Um, but
Lidell since they first got there, they went and just took down all these trees. I never heard of any accountability towards that. I know they had to have like a permit to do it. They didn't follow through with that. Just seems like they've never been held accountable. >> I don't believe the town of Halifax and it's any kind of clearing by law.
>> They do. >> Do they? >> And yes, it's under storm water management over one acre 40. You know, the amount of an acre, what is it? 40 $600. >> Yeah, I always mess it up. I don't know why.
>> Um, however, but yes, there is. >> But, sorry, just but to my point of that is I I bought this house in 2019. My wife and I wanted a nice quiet area, dirt road, perfect town. >> And next thing you know, the trees are gone. We got boats, we got these reflective signs, we got all these
construction vehicles constantly going through there. I hear the train so much more now because of the the acoustics is changing. >> My whole building shakes more now. Um, it's just frustrating. You know, my pool sits less than 100 yards from that fence. And if they build this other
thing, we're not going to get into it, but if they build this tower, that's 100 ft from my pool. >> Jake, go off for nothing. If I may, >> uh, what did you have the police down there at one point where they had heavy equipment being operated? >> 1:00 in the morning. >> 1:00 in the morning. >> What time was it? So, um, there is body
warn camera footage. I I think I provided it to the town administrator at the time was Robert Fennessey. Um showing that there's trucks idling out back. That's against EPA regulations. Uh loading equipment, taking equipment off >> at 1:00 in the morning.
>> 1:00, 1:30 in the morning. Um there's been outside burning at this facility, which in industrial zone, you cannot burn at all to the point where they left the fire unattended and just left. fight to the point where I said there's a fire
going out here. There's nobody seen. Who's to say? All a sudden it blows up and now it's coming onto my property. So, yes, I did I did contact the fire department and they had to come make entry to the property and put the fire up. >> Actually left the truck run for like two days once.
>> Yeah. >> Started it up cuz maybe just to run it and forgot about it and left it. >> Yeah. >> Mr. Mr. Jesus, >> could we um I know we're going to send something to the select board. Can we at least there's any letters sent to them just stating what they're in violation
of and >> welling them to >> I think we're sending it to the building inspector >> NCC >> just so that they're aware >> asking for any enforcement. >> Yes. >> So in a legal review, >> there was a letter sent out to them
about the violation of chapter 161. It wasn't really a letter saying like you're going to be held accountable. It's just, hey, you're in you're in violation. That's it. No, like you have to come into conditions within certain amount of days like it has in the past. This is not the first rodeo. >> Who sent receiving those? That was uh
that was Mike Rogan >> recently. >> Um don't recall the actual date. I think it was January 15th or 19. >> I know before that Ed Bailey had sent a letter saying you're in violation. You
have x amount of days to come into compliance. They removed all the vehicles. As soon as they realized, okay, we're out of the we're out of the [ __ ] list, they loaded it back up. Um, I know the town administrator
identified that once they come into compliance with uh a violation of >> you cannot enforce a bylar again, which is not accurate. >> Say that again. Uh the town administrator identified that if they
enforce the bylaw of the chapter 161 with all the unregistered vehicles, uh once they come into compliance with that, they can't address that again. >> Who said that? >> It's current. >> Yeah, it's not double jeopardy.
>> When was that? >> I I have to look into that. >> Yeah. I mean, so you take care of something and then you load it back up and then you're not you can't be in violation again. I think that doesn't seem accurate to me. >> Yeah.
>> Well, wouldn't a murderer then get away with the next murder? >> Excuse me, everybody. I think we have a motion on the floor. I think we need to do >> Yeah, we need to uh have enforcement by uh I don't even think we should need to motion to do this. This is absurd that we have to, but absolutely it should
already be done. meeting, but we need to have enforcement of this property on the decision letter on the modification of site plan. And what was your amendment again? Sorry. Uh I thought uh separate
letters to the building commissioner >> well yeah or even a separate one and legal uh the selectman and then a request for a legal review on this issue >> to all those >> I think all three >> and you didn't have another situation that we should I felt like you had
another thing. No, just I just I think >> enforcement of this car, unregistered cars, the whole nine yards above and beyond immediately. >> There is a Did were you notified or did you get I can't remember what you said.
Uh the response from the attorney about the vehicles on the property >> that they cannot not do a bylaw violation >> a second time on the same issue. No, this was something this was something recent that he got some kind of
determination on. But in any event, >> oh, that was the public records request. That was a whole different thing that they they required me to come in in person to do a public records request and fill out a form which was a violation of national law. That was a the different determination.
That was something that the building inspector came up with with it, you know, on his own that the person that wants public record has to physically come into the and pick up a a sheet, fill it out personally, but I don't think that that's the case.
>> All right. So, anyway, let's get the language and what we're doing with this. >> We're going to send this to the enforcement officer. We're going to CC the selectman >> and town council >> and and well again we can't send it to
town council without the attorneys. We can ask to get um legal >> or to help the select one forward it >> yeah have select get us some legal opinion. I think that's the most we can do. We can't demand it. >> How you going to work on composing? You want to sit down and compose it or do
you want to leave it? I was gonna the clerk was gonna talk. >> I'm sorry. A big one for my first one, guys. >> Jesus. >> So, with that, if they have a storm water management plan, a site plan that
is supposed to install the storm water management system that you guys signed off on, who holds them accountable for installing that? >> Well, that whole thing a has not been installed. Correct. >> Nothing's been done. So my assumption, and we all know what happens with assumptions, is when they come in with
this new plan that all that stuff can now get addressed. Um that I mean, that's I I think the way that's going to work the best at this point. I mean, we let's skip the new plan. Let's hold their feet to the fire on that because they're going to want to open. They
can't do that. They can't even get the permit for the tower. >> But hold on. They they never even applied for an occupancy permit on the new use. They never did any of these things. So then that way th this is an easy shut case in my opinion and the
building inspector shouldn't be allowing them to continue going on because there's no occupancy permit. There's no site plan done because he is in charge of enforcing all that. Look, this gets really dicey because even without a site
plan, you still own the property and you still have some rights to use. It's just a matter of whether that's in the four corners of any existing laws. So, you know, I think again >> I just don't think it should. >> I don't think it should just be a generalized letter. I think it should be
specific. Yeah. You know, a like two or three P like AB C D. This is go right down the list. Jake's emails are great. not as a matter of hey guys look into this you know I think it should be specific. Okay, let's let's let's think about doing this. Do a couple members of
the board want to conflict and only have two at a time and draft a letter and kind of send it out to the remaining members that's not in violation of the open meeting law and >> as long as we all answer to just one person.
>> One person. Yeah. To to the admin. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. I'm here late. I'm William Colchesky. I'm live at 50 Alana Road. and I abuted property that's we've been having issues with for y
>> years now. So just want to make that clear. >> Okay. >> That I'm here opposed to >> sorry. >> All right. So how do you want to do this? >> Um do we have any volunteers to sit and draft a letter?
>> I can sit and draft a letter, but I need to know some more of the history of this. Yeah, >> I would I work with Jamie on that. >> So, you know the emails that he sent us? >> I've never gotten an email from him in my life. >> You haven't gotten Oh, maybe he doesn't have your direct. I'll forward it to you.
>> This when I say I've never heard anything 285 ever in my life. So, >> you haven't gotten it either? >> Oh, you know what? I probably go to my town email and I always get the emails to my uh I go to my town email. >> I'll for I'll make sure that you're on the list and I'll also forward it to
you. That makes sense why I'm like >> I should send it to Caesar and have it printed out right now. >> Yeah, I got a >> but it is actually really good because it links to the different videos so you can watch um the YouTube videos of the planning board meetings on what happened. So it is really good to get in
the email form. So I'll make sure I'll make sure I'll make sure that happens in the morning. >> Why don't you guys then work on a like a a specific draft and then we'll add to it. Add to it. get to the specifics and we'll bang it around and I think
>> sooner we get it going on this and get answers >> yeah at least >> get it rocking and rolling >> we can feel good about the fact we get something >> I agree >> all right sounds good >> and we need a second >> well before we get a second and get it limited
>> yeah just just a quick thing maybe it might be advisable to go to the fire and police and get any responses that have been done to this property so you have it And then we record the fire department's already been there and the other stuff and here's your help and your violations.
>> That's why it's important to get very specific I >> as opposed to just a general hey look into this. All right. You know >> amen. >> So so we have a motion to um >> in a second >> put together a letter and Jamie and Bruce are going to do it
>> and then email it to us and we'll answer one by one. >> Yep. very important. And um >> I need that other information first though. >> Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna send that to you, Jamie. I promise. >> Need a second motion.
>> Motion. Need a second. >> Yes. >> Second. >> All right. We have a motion and a second to uh have a letter drafted uh with specific uh requests on specific violations and documentation concerns in
the court enforcement. uh regarding 285 Home Street and uh we CC the select persons and ask if they could get a um legal uh determination.
I think that's about the best we can do at this point. >> Mhm. >> I I it's probably not everything you want, but I I think at least we can do that. >> It's only taken a few years to get to this point. So >> I'm happy. >> We won't take that as a slap.
So, we have a motion to second me to vote. >> Yes. All those in favor? >> I. >> All those opposed. We may have. >> Thank you. I appreciate that. >> And it appears we're going to get something
modification shortly. Did you say it was already in open go? >> They go until the zoning room on Monday. >> Okay. So, they've already got a date. I didn't realize that. I think for a special permit. >> Yeah, they need it for the uh >> for the tower. >> Good luck.
>> Well, >> all right. Where are we? >> Okay, moving along. Uh there's just a couple of things more informative than anything else. Um I'd like to start a review of chapter 167. I was thinking
in terms of maybe the board set aside a few minutes or 15 minutes or something at every meeting and start down from the beginning of chapter 167 and start looking at it and see if we see anything that's problematic that we might be able
to um make suggestions to the zoning board to zoning to the uh zoning bylaw review committee. Um, I'm trying to reach out to the zoning bylaw review committee to see if they'd like to work in conjunction. Uh, perhaps send a member to the planning board or planning
to send the member to to work out some kind of an arrangement where we're reviewing the zoning section of the bylaws for practicality and modernization. We've got some things in there that go back to 1976. I mean, it doesn't make sense. I know
and I give them the credit for going through it. They tried to do it several years ago, but it was such a long I mean it was like 90 pages and nobody was going to digest that. Nobody was going to understand. No one's going to take the time. No, very few people would
take the time and then to juxtapose it to the original standing by. But if we take it a piece at a time, I think maybe we can make a contribution and try to get some things ready for next year's annual town meeting. So, I just wanted to kind of fuel the board out to see if anybody thought that that was a good
idea that we should try to proceed. >> There is still a zoning bylaw review committee because it's not disbanded. >> I don't believe it's disbanded. I don't know that they're um meeting. The only person I know that's uh on that committee that I could remember was Jerry Troy and I I tried to reach out to
him but I it was late in the day and I didn't get through to ask >> are we going to bring it back to the proper amount of people back to the nine people that it should be instead of the five that it was reduced to >> that I don't have any control over. I don't know that's a selective thing. I was just going to reach out to see if a
they were still functioning, if they had a a core uh and if they had any interest in working with us and trying to look at the B. Yeah, I was going to say one thing you might want to look at too is that you may want to take a look at those
zoning just I'm just saying >> it'll just make it like the state wants. >> Well, not necessarily. You touch what you ask it, right? But um if you ask it a certain way, you can come back and get the best practices in the small town and it may may come up and go through that point. Doesn't mean you got accepted,
right? It might give you >> it gives you it gives you a resource. >> I have I have a ton of notes from when we did it before they they made it um in August of 2024. They dropped it from nine members to five. And we had been
meeting and have it on video and do have tons of notes. We were going through it chapter by chapter and there was nine people, two people at large, two people from the planning board, uh, selectman, I forget all the, you know, um, ins and outs of what it was, but it was properly
being done and we were meeting until, um, the selectman, um, at that time brought it down to five people and nobody on there actually knew zoning except for Jerry. Except for Jerry.
Sorry, one person, no women. By the way, >> committee structure is a is an interesting thing. Sometimes you just get way too many people. You can never come to any kind of consensus. There's nothing but debate and it's endless and it's sometimes counterproductive, but I
don't know what the composition is at that board now, but I'm trying to reach out. I just wanted to bring it up as something that we should think about. >> I think five's too small. I think nine was going very well. We were doing very well. Um, and it was great. And I have
all those notes in >> a binder just like this. >> So that would be that would be handy to put what Tom saying. >> I think I think it would be something good just, you know, a couple articles, you know, and I just kind of go through, pick through, see things that are just, you know,
>> because some things need to be updated. I mean, we we have computers now. >> Yeah. Like even like just electronic copies, things of that nature. So everything's like that. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I I I think that's something we can do. I I always comment that one thing the planning board never does is
any planning and this is an opportunity to actually attempt to do something. And in that same vein, I think it's time to initiate a new master plan. The last master plan for the town, I think, was actually produced in the early '9s, got approved about 10 years ago, only
because we weren't going to get any grants. So, we approved a 20-year-old master plan for the sake of approving a plan, but I wanted to uh suggest that I I was going to reach out to Oalling Planning Council. We do belong to them. They're not my favorite group, but it's
a resource and uh and we work with the town administrator to think about trying to initiate some kind of a master plan, whether it's a committee or or something. So, I just wanted to bring it up. I thought we had um I thought I heard at a selecting meeting that we did
get some sort of grant or some sort of money earmarked for a master plan. Did is that true? I >> I don't know. I'm going to reach out. >> Yes, Jamie. >> It's true. Right. And then from there, what do we do? Oh, colony. We have to go through them. >> We have to go through them, but they are a resource.
>> Terrible resource. They're they're literally terrible. >> I didn't mention you were >> I was on it. It's it was like the most it's just like rahrh no voting. It's all people who are trying to bring the state laws down into your town through
reszoning you making you do things that might not be in the best interest. I think that it would be a great idea that the people who live in this town and own this town to have a master plan. So can you maybe bring the master plan to the next meeting so that we can look at it because that would be the first step in
my opinion. >> But we do need some advice. We don't have to take it. It's it's available to us. >> We do participate in it. We pay whatever we pay for it. I I I don't see the harm in, you know, >> there's a lot of harm that can be done on it.
>> It's sharp enough. We can know what to accept and what not to accept. I mean, you know, that owners falls on board. Um anyway, I wanted to bring it up. I think it's a good idea as long as everybody is in reasonable agreement. Can you bring the master plan to the next meeting so
that we can explore it more before we go outside of this? >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> And uh I think I already brought up the idea of uh having inquired about what the role of the town planner position is. U maybe if the board's okay with it,
I could put it in the form of a letter u to the selectman asking for some clarification as to what the role of the planner is. And so >> I think that maybe the letter should state that we should have a meeting about it at a joint meeting and that
maybe that two people on the select board shouldn't be starting a planning position without talking to the wage and personnel, the finance committee and the planning. Because really right now what we have is a big giant issue. And some
of the board members might not be privy to this because maybe um you didn't receive the emails from Jake, but where the building commissioner has gone out and done zoning enforcement on properties, he really has a huge uh conflict of interest on being the town
planner as well because if he's already zoning enforced it, he can't. So therefore, he'd be asked to recuse himself. So this whole thing was not thought out. They didn't bring in anybody at the meeting of the slack
board. There was one person in attendance. It was brought up that it was a conflict of interest and um Tom Pratt to his credit did um absolute credit. He um did not uh he abstained
from the first vote. It was actually done by an open meeting violation that was founded as an open meeting violation because they didn't put what position was being created or what was supposed to happen. And then they revoted on it
on May 12th right before the second night of town meeting. And um Tom Pratt voted no. Thank you very much Tom Pratt. And again, it was pushed through even though there were people in the audience and I won't name them. You can watch the
meeting yourself standing up stating that it shouldn't be occurring. And I find it to be a really bad timing to re redo a a meeting and they still didn't do it in the proper way. And now we're going to have issues with it all over town because the building commissioner
should not also be in a role where he's town planner. um that that's totally not okay. And um the building commissioner does make sure our site plans are followed. That is part of his job. So um
I the whole reasoning that he would be involved in this um as a planner is beyond me. And one more thing, he did cancel a meeting and I do have it completely documented in February as
well. And the April 2nd meeting was the time that the um 318 Manson Street was going to be going into um constructive approval. So the fact that
he canled that meeting on April 2nd, he canled a meeting in February. >> That is correct. You said >> that was the April 2nd meeting and Jake had been emailing us to get on to our agenda for months and we're now behind on our meeting minutes because
technically we're out we're um in violation of not having our meeting minutes done. We just got them yesterday. Thank you Danielle by the I know that was a lot of work, but we haven't had meetings on a regular ba basis in order to do these things
properly and it shouldn't be happening and it's against the law. >> Okay, Chris, I I just had 129 question about the meeting Amy brought up because I was sitting next to the building commissioner. I was even confused
exactly what was being done because he stated that he was going to start overlooking issues at sites because his license doesn't allow him to do that unless he was made the planning person and I I didn't know maybe you
could explain how that works and you can problems and stuff that you see at sites and >> being the zoning enforcement in the building didn't allow him to do that if he noticed problems >> he had to That's why when I had the opportunity to speak to a selectman, I
indicated that I thought it was appropriate to get some kind of a description of what that decision holds. And and I think that officially I think the board should ask
for a definition or what the responsibilities are. And Amy brought up I was going to do it that you know perhaps we should have a joint meeting to discuss this where it affects the planning board as well.
>> I'd make a motion for that. >> Um are you okay? Um I I'd be happy to draft that. Do you have a problem with that? >> No, I don't care. >> Okay. Does anybody want to second that? >> I'll second to what you Okay.
>> Yeah. to draft a letter to the selectment and ask them to define the role of the planner and >> no I want a meeting I don't want them to define a role I want to have a meeting >> time to finish you interrupted to define the role of the planner and involve the planning board in the discussion
>> I actually think that we should be wondering whether or not the position should be created without all of this happening so the role is kind of like secondary to me I don't think that the the position should have been um created without proper
um process of the town because so much of it was ignored. I mean like you can't just ad hoc add a you know what town planners get paid in other towns and that's just one thing. So to start
something that could cost us a $1500 to $200,000 minimum without talking to the town and not talking to a finance committee. not talking to the wagon personnel and not involving the actual board that it would affect or the people
of the town. That's the that's just mindblowing. Two people decided that. >> But if if Mike leaves us the planner, quote unquote planner, we just won't fill that position. So, it's not going to cost us any money. >> It's just not like somebody else going to walk in here and get 200,000. Like,
>> then you'd have to we'd have to vote as a for a value to it anyway. you don't put into it. >> Well, it's a dangerous road to go down without actually proper channels is what it is. And the building commissioner is getting paid to be a town planner. He's
taking the truck home, >> which is being fueled by our electricity, >> but that's we're not we're not going to get into that. That that's not that's beyond the scope of any planning or discussion. >> Yeah, that's Well, it's we have we have a motion. of
the planning. >> If you have concern as to how the thing was created, I'm not suggesting that you're wrong, but you should in fact pursue that file complaint, approach the select. >> I have
>> check with, you know, the attorney general, you know, whatever you have to do. I I you know I'm just trying to as far as this board goes and any involvement my understanding was it was created as an advisory role to have some
ability to um offer suggestions and be helpful. Uh but again uh there is no definition as far as I know. There is no formal indication of what this role is. I think
if I recall correctly, the motion is to ask the selectment to define the role of the position of planner and to work with the planning board to determine what involvement if any with the planning board
of what capacity. It's good. Yeah, I was going to say the business role, how do you hire someone without a job description and give it to the different boards and say this is their role, right? I mean know anybody in business when you're hire electrician
you're hiring an engineer I got a role for that person created with a job description on it should be in all of town for every role right but job descript if we're going to hire somebody that's got to be a job descript before you put it out to something so makes no sense and any of life so just chucking
that out that somebody should be passing on a job description to all of you then you know how they'll interact with you that's all you know here we go that's where we're at. >> Yeah, we agree. >> Yeah, >> I'll second that. By the way, >> moved and seconded to ask the uh PL the
support of selectment for clarification of the role of the planner and request a joint meeting or >> yeah a joint meeting you >> for for the purpose >> for for that purpose. >> Does that sound good to everybody?
>> You you okay with that second? >> Yes. Okay. >> It's okay. Second it. Okay. All those in the favor, please indicate by saying I >> I >> I. >> All those opposed? Unanimous. >> Okay. No meeting minutes. The the master
plan is on the the town website just so you >> I know. I just think that it should be at our next meeting so we can discuss it before we go any further. >> We'll print it out. God >> like kind of like a homework assignment. >> Why not? I want you to read. I'll read
it back at the house and take it back. >> Um meeting minutes from um I've only read two of them because so um I I would like to put off the April 16th and May 7th ones to the next
meeting of um June and I don't have my schedule anymore in here June 3rd I think it is sound right guys >> I'm thinking June 2nd but what the next meeting yeah June 4th June 4th >> June 4th >> okay
>> so that's right on I'm not on the I'm not on the I'm not on the agenda. I'm on you know that schedule. We usually have tapes here. Okay. Anyways, um the meeting of uh March 5th,
>> 2026. >> March 9. >> No, the meeting minutes of March 5th, 2026. >> March 5th says >> Well, it says March 5th on these. Hold on. Did anybody want to check the date on the uh >> I'll take a look
>> when we actually met. >> Thank you. >> On March 5th. >> The agenda was >> it's just a typo. >> Um has everybody read those?
>> Yep. >> Anybody have any um edits for it? >> No. >> You don't? Okay. >> No, we do not. >> All right. Anybody want a motion? >> I'll make a motion. >> Okay.
>> Anybody want to second it? >> I'll second it >> for the which which meeting? >> Oh, sorry. The March >> March 5th. >> Moved and seconded to approve the minutes of March 5th, 2026. >> Can I have a note? All those in favor
say I. >> I. >> I. All those opposed. >> Passes unanimously. the meeting minutes of 31926. I believe that's an act. >> That is correct. >> Um, one second.
>> The only thing I would like to I would like to approve them with an edit that Amy did try to make it that we would have an extension on um, PSBR 261 to prevent any issues of not meeting on
April 2nd, 2026. Anybody have a problem with that? Because do you remember I did do that, right? >> I I don't >> I don't think so. I don't recall. >> I did. >> I'd have to go back and check. >> Do you want to hold off part until the next meeting?
>> Yes. We're going to do the other. >> So that's fine. So we approved the March 5th. Um >> and we want to hold off on 467. >> Yeah. And >> Amy, what was it that you stated? I tried to get an extension on PSPR
um 26-1318 Plymouth Street because it was going to expire on April 5th to prevent any issues if we didn't meet on April 2nd. >> We ended up that came in the next day, didn't it?
>> No, it was not the next day. It was April um sometime in April that that occurred. >> Yeah, I know. prior to >> Yeah. >> Um, anybody have a problem with passing over on 416 and 57 until the next
meeting? >> I don't. >> Why are we passing? Just >> Amy hasn't had a chance to read it. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> We okay with that? >> Good. Can I have a motion to uh
um move the minutes for 416 and 57 to the next meeting? >> I'll make a motion. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. All those opposed. >> And we have one bill I believe which is
>> WB Mason. WB Mason for >> um >> I'll make make a motion to pay the WB Mason invoice 26164924 for $31.80. >> I'll second. >> All those in favor of paying the invoice
for WB Mason for $31.80, please indicate by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> All those opposed? Unanimous. Um before we close, are we do we have to
sign these plans, Mr. Chair? >> Um his plan, I don't believe this one have a block on it. >> It does. That's what I was asking. >> Yeah, we should sign at least one copy before we adjourn. >> But we only have two, so we'll sign both
of them. >> Are we sending those minutes down to to be signed? >> Yes, I am. I'm going to sign first. I just didn't want to lose sight of it. >> What's that? >> That's for the WB Mason. We're going to
set You have one copy. You want to sign them both? Is that what you said? >> Sign them both. And then we've got It's only two copies that those are the minutes for uh >> the house. Um, while we're signing things, um, I
wanted to make note, um, thank you. There is an abuting notice from the zoning and building law of appeals in Penroke, Massachusetts that there is a notice of a decision to the abuters of
316 School Street 0 street and 570 center street from Pemroke zoning board of appeals case number 11-26 sent on May 14th, 2026 May 7th >> today. That's why he has digs so
>> May 7th. Bert May 7th. >> That's the date on them. >> Oh, that's after date. So it can't be. >> Notice is hereby given that the Penro Zoning Board of Appeals at a meeting held on May 11th, 2026 voted to approve a special permit for public utility use
to construct a new water treatment plant for existing well stations 2 and three for the removal of iron and manganesees. The decision was filed with the Pebbrook Town Clerk on May 14th, 2026, pursuant to Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter
48, Section 17. The 20-day appeal period commenced on that date and will expire on June 4th, 2026. A copy of the decision is on file with the town clerk and is available for public inspection. For further
information, please contact the zoning board of appeals office at 781791433. And um the other one that I thought was of interest was um another Pemroke zoning and building law appeals to the abutters of 203 water street zoning
board of appeals case number 1226 May 14th, 2026. Notice is hereby given that the Pemroke Zoning Board of Appeals at a meeting held on May 11th, 2026, voted to approve the petition for a special permit to operate a homebased dog
boarding service with conditions. The decision was filled, oh, sorry, filed with the Pemro town clerk on May 14th, pursuant to Massachusetts General Law 48 section 17. The 20-day period appeal period commenced on that date and will
expire on June 4th, 2026. A copy of this decisions decision is on file with the town clerk and is available for public inspection. Again, to call and get in further information, 78179-1433. Everything else was sort of small
garages and um renovation to an apartment building in East Bridgewater and nothing um out of the ordinary, but I did think that the water one was to mention since we have those issues in
Halifax as well and um also that um the dog one was just different. >> Thank you. >> You bet. >> Thank you. Did I get the meeting minutes? >> Uh, those were signed. They're right here. >> Okay.
>> I just need to sign my job. You can have a back. >> I'm so used to >> hasn't closed yet. >> So used to this. >> I know. I am kind of just doing it on it. It's like auto.
>> You got to just show me what to do. Um, we're not demanding. >> I'm going to stick the um Oh, no. Forget it. >> We have the >> the signed um
>> letter >> letter. Yeah. >> For which one? >> Decision letter. One of them we did not >> uh one of them we had. So, the decision letter that you signed for 318 had gold in it. It's probably in here. I don't think so. I don't remember putting it
back in the book. It's It's here someplace. >> I made a copy of it and gave you back the original. >> Yeah, I saw you specifically back. >> Oh, sure. >> Yeah. So, it's all your fault. >> Yeah, I like that. >> All those
sign. >> I'm not going to sign that one. It's okay cuz three members, four members. So, we signed for 318, but we did not sign a letter for
Summit Street, right? Is that what we did? >> We had a change on Summit Street. on due to the fact that >> Oh, yeah. >> that word was just a little funky. >> Yeah. >> You want to take that on with you? >> All right. So, you're going to bring to the next meeting.
>> I can do that. >> I'll make a motion to address second. >> I just got to find >> All right. Let me read your book because sometimes >> I don't recall putting you back in there, but
>> Tom, I think it's close to bedtime. >> Well, that's a fact. You can't even believe what I've had to do the last two days. Municipal stuff. Yesterday was all day and all night. And then this morning after I had listened to a 40B
presentation, >> there's nothing worse than a 40B >> pres talking about groundwater protection. >> Oh my god. Especially during yours. Remember that one when it was during co >> Did you make a Do we have a motion to adjurnn?
>> Yeah. >> I'll make a motion to adjourn. I think we have one. >> We have second. All those in favor say I. I. >> All those opposed. That's enough.