##VIDEO ID:TXTeTSbMGsI## [Music] all right seeing that it's uh uh 7:00 we'll uh open up the meeting of the Halifax planning board uh at 4 99 Plymouth Street in Halifax uh 7:00 meeting in the selectman's meeting room Thursday January 16th 20125 at 700 p.m. uh just so everyone knows the pic board meeting is being recorded by area 58 and can be viewed on YouTube uh okay um I have uh the agenda here in front of us uh already have a chance to renew it to review it I'll accept a motion to accept the agenda as presented I'll make a motion to accept the agenda as right and second second all those in favor say I I I oh attending the meeting of Brenan Elliott Amy troop myself Tom milus and Rick Mary okay let's uh start off with uh Z1 ponet Street the First on our agenda uh lot uh map 95 Lot 10 site plan review app applicant requests a continuance to February 6th 2025 meeting I'll motion that we uh continue the hearing for pspr 2420 M streat map 95 l 10 site plan review to um February 6 2025 meeting um taking note that when is the site plan application yeah that's what I was just going to ask okay we do have a motion on the floor do I have a second you made it in the form of a motion didn't you yes I did but then I I I um so maybe we even if we get a second we can discuss yeah I'll second it so we can discuss it okay motion on a second to uh uh Grant the continuance to February 6th 20125 for uh the application pspr 24-2 for Zer mon ponet street but before we vote can we talk about um the application and the dates certainly you can do that do I need to bring that up we have so we have so it'll be it'll be up it'll be up here okay so I might need to elious use it to get to that right can you tell me how to get oh here come on sorry I'm like I say don't be looking at me I'm I'm just closest to the screen that doesn't mean I'm an expert basically know how to turn it on that's about it how how do I ask oh uh exit full screen screen no no don't leave that except full screen down to the bottom right thank you um and then the files where are the planning board files I think he showed me and now I don't remember if you go down bottom left that any Zoom again that's oh see that yeah thank you so thank you thank you oh application I think hi guys I'm here if you need me hi Danielle we're looking for hi and happy New Year we're looking for the application for zero mon ponet Street 9510 do you know what all right so are you in the documents folder yep all right so all the way to the left there's going to be an R Drive R drive all to left yeah I think it says regulatory oh thank you uh go in there and I forget what I put it under um but it's in there so planning Bo Y and then Z please application so that's a special permit is that what we're yeah that's a site plan is an [Music] okay list let me see this sorry so hey Danielle we're going to share our screen with you so that you can see what we're doing can we actually share our screen is that does that give us an option yeah yeah all right so um that one tell tell me what to click so you can see what what we're dealing with right yeah all right so we're in zerom Pon site plan review or special sorry no I'm glad you did I'm sorry what is it that you're looking for the application so we can see the dates do you know what the dates were like when they applied we're look making sure that they um we still have [Music] time um the applications wouldn't be in there those are on open go but I believe the dates for those um it was November 15th I believe it was submitted we need an extension that's yeah that's what he was at they were asking for right okay okay thank you so we need to do let's do a 60-day extension for December 30 yeah that's that would be safe right yeah give plent of times and then so add the December 31st 1 31 32+ 13 is February 13th so let's do a 75 day extension I think because it'll put us to the second meeting in February um I would like to add to the motion that we continue the hearing to February 6th and also extend site plan application 75 days to [Music] um I just had it right yeah February February [Music] something2 February 20th no that's March Sor February 20th yeah 60 days oh 60 days would be okay cuz it would bring it to 27 32 don't even count the days just pick a date yeah extended to okay good idea February 28th 2025 so we're going to extend the site plan application to February 28 2025 cuz the meeting's the 20th so and um continue the hearing till February 6th 2025 at 700 p.m. so amended motion second amen February 6th to February 20th we have the meeting on the 20th yeah we have another one on febrary 6o yeah oh they just said an extension they don't get one way or the other well why don't we just send it to the 6 and then I and we have to change yeah we do it again okay so there's a motion on the floor to extend it uh the application on till the meeting of February 6th and the and the extension itself uh till February 20th does that sound right 28th 28th 2025 so I have a motion and a second uh take a Voice vote remant Yes Amy yes myself yes Tom yes and Rick yes okay passes unanimous do uh we have to uh sign this off or is she going to take it from there today is January 16th thank you if you want to go on to um the next thing on the list then then I don't mind cuz I'll just send this around em okay we have a continuation for uh the appointment on the application 22-s d226 Hill the lane for approval of the definitive plan and subdivision modification uh where are we with this we do have interrupt you real quick sure um I was going to do it anyways um I got an email after I left the office today um requesting an extension for this um which is why no one's there tonight let me see um request to continue the public hearing scheduled for tonight to your next meeting and to ask for 30-day extension to the subdivision application okay thank you thank you what would it dates again sorry hold on just one second um 30 days in February 6th yeah 30 days y just says 30 days here okay and then we'll just continue to the next okay yeah it looks like I'm just reading the letter um that Joe sent over it looks like they're just asking for an extension to get more time from uh zoning okay um so yeah 30 days should be good and then do you know what date they were expiring um on the site plan up I mean um I don't off the top of my head um you want to just leave that portion blank for now um I'll go on open go and see if I can grab the date while you guys continue on here all right thank you so did it just get held up in zoning or what well from what I understand Monday night they uh they didn't have uh enough members to vote on the special permit so they uh if I got that correct that's right they didn't want to he wanted he didn't want the take the we only had a four member board so he would have had to have all four votes he would in the affir and he decided to you know go now he's going to he's postponing this year and he's going to continue when he comes to us on February hoping to have five members there he has five members he's got a better shot if he doesn't have his stuff right here in of you guys what do we do we can't we can't vote on it until it goes to again well does he have does he have everything in order well he has to have the special permit in order to get the site plan approval if he but he doesn't have the road uh what's he applying the special permit for kind of lost track of that I think the special per for for the building for the for the two buildings are there's you two house loss that up put back okay is he doing two house l or is he doing four think four doing four that's if you get the other two out back because going in there says it's got to be 20t but I don't think you can turn the TRU so he so the variance is for making the driveway a shared driveway is that what it is I think so so the last time he was here he talked about how where he wanted the driveway to go but by the bylaw had to be in the shortest distance which was up in the top left hand corner of the site plan if you remember that right so he wanted it over here but the conservation was going to work on whether or not it was going to get approved for up here if he could get it down there and that was the big [Music] thing yeah hold on hold on so so um but I think that that was the reason why we didn't make a decision incent them to conservation to say are you going to allow me to do this and then once that was a yes or no they were going to come back he was going to come back here for site plan approval has he agreed to do the road first yeah right no no he hasn't agreed to do the road first he wants it to do do the road so he has to do the road first before he continues so I guess conservation is only approved the road but not the rest of the subdivision and I don't know how you can divide a subdivision up like that so that would be something you need to consider are you actually recusing yourself did you have family members on the street or I have no interest in it okay I I was just curious I'm not a I'm I have no interest in immediate it's immediate for my own information when I go back to the zoning board and and I was just car no um okay so um yeah I mean I mean the road's got to be built first right they're trying to make it in right way way he goes out and he spreads it out on the two the the last two lots is y so they shortened the road he shortened the road to 4 and then it'll be a common driveway after it so what's this hardship yeah I don't know I mean he hasn't he hasn't he hasn't said anything to us about he just want to continue the meeting you should ask them what it's talk you and then the next but he has to come to you guys first they did submit a uh a plan here if anyone wants to look at it but you know I guess it was uh kind of a tight radius as far as the fire department was concerned did they write us uh and there he did submit uh Mr Webby did submit a uh two-page letter here with uh uh 17 different entries on it in regards to revisions of the plans as requested revision the underground water uh and there's several things on it but you know we really need uh them present to uh to discuss it yeah yeah they they need to at least come in so we can discuss what they're doing and then does he have does he have the drainage uh issue does he have the stor water is there a St water Bonds in place so the other people won't won't get flooded I mean those are the things we have to before cuz there's an awful lot of wetlands back there and um yeah it's a theme of flood zone and right there with the river is you can for a rock another way we can't run to his piece of land useless but we have to perform try to put something in there that will that will go you need a plan that addresses everything and they have to C Cal conditions and I might be crazy the way I'm remembering this but he's come back a couple times we keep sending him for conservation and then he keep they they keep keep coming back and then we keep sending him back to somewhere else for something but he changes the plan that's why that's why that's the game okay so I am it's not that I'm crazy but I was missing yeah he keeps he keeps changing it we got somewhere with him a couple years ago and then changed it again been off the last conversation where the tables were set up up there right in December and then right and then it was here and we're like all right you need to go to conservation to get the approval and the only thing I thought we were waiting on was the driveway to get the final approval so that he could come back here and we could approve the street and the two releasing the two lots and then everything else was going to get done and now here we are where in the G it's funny I had an interesting conversation over the last couple weeks or somebody that was like you'll never understand why nothing gets done in in town politics or on Capitol Hill until you join the board yeah pretty much wow that's the best way to put it you want to wonder why nothing gets done I just I don't hurry up and wait a lot of this drives me insane all right well uh they did request the uh you know the uh extension into uh put on our I guess our next meeting which would be February 6th is that right can I ask a question before that be difficult but just so that we don't stay on this this rotary here so he wants to wait until the next conservation meeting where he can get five people people but Zing z Oh zoning I'm sorry zoning but then zoning is going to say well what did the planning board say you got to go back to the planning board and then we're going to go we meet on the 10 go back to I to to your point I I trying to remember this so much time to lapses hard to remember everything that happened they need to come back and we need to go over the plan and give them Direction yeah and then say don't change this plan bro right right exactly that's very professional he's changed this plan more more than once right yeah like once a year right yeah more than once he's changed his plan and you as a board you have to vote on the plan that he's presented which one is it you know well then they come in here and they go and they have Mr Webby who's obviously an established professional in this town and he gets up and he does a presentation based off of like well what do you guys mean we have to go back like well you Chang the plan stop changing the plan we can actually push this through and how many times do that happen to us as a board that's what I mean goes right down the list you know just very uh and and what we do we end up with 50 site plans and we have really have no idea which one we're checking dates to find out which is the most recent and it's to be convoluted to say for the record I'm sick of people or I'm sick of that project coming out and then Amy States the bylaw which is the bylaw and then they look at us like we're crazy who what do you mean stop changing the plan you know what I mean so that's the thing cuz they'll come in with a new plan and then be flabbergasted that we're asking them to go through the proper channels again so extend it with the is there a way to extend it with the expectation or with the um request enough is enough pick one and go with it and either get it approved or don't because otherwise we're going to keep extending it well they can do whatever they want if they're going to keep um changing it then we just do a due diligence on what is in front of us and if it doesn't happen we what does that do for them what is the most people that are in the what is the most recent plan I know see what I mean they can keep extending it but then they have to keep showing up just to be leaving with their with nothing but their hat in their hand it's like that's why I'm saying let's put a let's put an expectation on that says or I mean I don't know what to say was it a couple meetings ago that I'm trying to remember was he going to meet with the residents because you had some things you wanted to include in the plan we supposed to stake out the road to see exactly how it was he did came and put the St I'm sorry could you state your name and your address please Bradford 131 okay thank you no you said you had questions would you like to air those questions for the record so that maybe we could get those answered in advance is that allowed or no okay it's not uh oh yeah it gets tricky you because they out here yeah deing themselves and and they asked for a continu right you know what you could do is you could send those questions in an email to Danielle and then we can forward those over therefore that way they're prepared so when they come in the next time we can have them I just don't yeah there's just two those two Lots at the beginning yeah this road that they're trying to pass here those got passed 20 years ago the water table it doesn't seem like anybody's had any effect with those we putting on the road in but we don't know if the water table is too high right now to have those two lots cuz it's never came up they're using Lots from 20 years ago and plans from 20 years ago but then they're changing the plants but those lots are still on that map how can that happen right well the water table has changed and the female flood zone is extended back there so are those even Lots anymore well they can be lots of whether they buildable right as long as it meets the dimensional requirements it can be considered a lot but whether it's buildable like she said so what would be the next step to find that out well they have to show that you have to show you also just want to be careful what you're asking because those are not buildable lot then there will be no buildable road because it will not be profitable for him to build the road so we just stick with what we have not giv the direction but you have to consider that if it wasn't we wouldn't be here want it's like they want us to jump through hoops right so they get what they want well they have to delineate it and then has to be reviewed by a review engineer for the town so my thought process on this is the same as the last time where conservation has only gone over the road that shortened what about the rest of it and then if we approve the site plan that number one gives them a huge amount of variances just from from what they are asking for right now with the one no are they doing sidewalks at all one sidewalk one side was a sidewalk yeah that was part of the negotiating they'll do water but they're not going to they're they're going to have above ground um utilities utilities um and things of that nature so they're asking for variances and then on top of it they're asking for a variance from you and that's kind of that's the detrimental part to the people is that if they're if they're asking for too many variances and special permits upon it then when do we not doing what's right by the people like around it which is is really what our job is here is to protect the people this site's been going on for 30 years since I've been here it's been on the agenda every time they come in front of the boards they have a different plan like Mr Al said come in come in with a plan that you really want to go with stick to it and go through it other than that you can't keep changing in the middle of the race you know what is the latest plan do we have a date it's 1230 24 okay so that that theoretically would be the most recent plan yeah what they so that's where he drops the road to the 482 ft from 900 something and then needs um because of the wet limbs he has to have driveway that goes across and they aren't even sure where the driveway would go across remember because um and they need a right that and they need to find the shortest so there's a lot of things that need to be work worked out in conservation Beyond it so I think maybe that's where they should go back to yeah that would seem to make the most sense I mean if you the individual loss it gets a little tricky because people do deline delineation of the road without necessarily doing lots that you know the individual Lots really don't concern us per se as long as he's got access to him but he doesn't but then he's going to have to deal with it at some point anyway yeah but he doesn't have access because it's he's asking for the variance for a shared driveway okay so then he wouldn't be going over his own Frontage but is that because of the Wetland so he's going to furn is that to avoid that stre basically what it is yeah it's because the way that it was articulated to us is that the it has to go the shortest distance between the two points over the water over the stream right and so where he wants where it wanted where it was originally was in the front like when you come up to the end and go right over but instead that's not the shortest part of the stream so it has to come up and then over that was how Webby explained and then the fire department just came back and says you can't do a 16t road we want it 20 ft now okay so now he's even going wider and at the end there's no Circle for the fire engine to turn around well he did submit a uh what does he call it a a sweep plan he said well the 60 ft isn't good enough to call this egg they want 80 he said he needs 80 show yeah show that where is that this from a protocol perspective just out of for for my own knowledge at what point are you able to say no we don't Grant the next is that possible or not well we could I'm not saying that right now I'm saying to end the rat race when do we say to Mr nz's point or all of our points pick one go with it and we are not going to extend it from there stop playing the game and if if that was the case would that work in I mean would that as far as I know there's nothing written in ston is we have to Grant an extension I'm not saying not to do it tonight yeah but anyway on any application if we let them know in advance and said we are not going to do this anymore or is it their right to ask to seek I think they can keep asking well it's ready Dev advocate so then so people do this and then we can vote to fail it right exactly and then they can appeal if they they can appeal it or they can come back in two years with another plan but it's a subis the cookie jar you don't slap his hand in a while unless they go to the zone substanti different plan we're to go on vacation because we're going to miss a meeting and and the last one I did it went through in confence see I go on vacation and Miss meetings all the time what are you talking about but it's not all the way through conservation though it's not all the way through conservation though okay no I mean this is a subdivision modification so they have the subdivision as long as they don't modify it but they can't modify it like this necessarily but I think that conservation should have to do the whole thing in order for us to even give a variance on something that we won't even know if conservation would even do it they're going to have to have any replication do he have well none of that's decided they only have the road worked out they should deal with conservation first right I agree with you because then then they can make the accordingly right as opposed to getting a plan approved and then finding out conservation want everything changed it doesn't make any sense it and then what are we going to send a Mila have it reported at the registry Deeds with the shortened Road and now he has a but even beyond that currently the chief says that he's not the chief correct the chief says that he's not even into it so basically that one is saying that it is you know see how it made the sweep but the previous one I think so the previous one it couldn't make the corner it doesn't look like it's making the corner but did the chief say it was okay well it's just the back end of it I don't know no on the bottom I think it's the second page it references the fire chief and so what if we Grant an extension this is why we needed in writing from the fire department the first page first page we have added a swept path analys analysis never heard that term before but so instead of the engineer being in touch with our the we need all of the boards and departments to send their information into us because this is somebody that's working for the applicant no offense to Lake Webby or anything but it's somebody that's working for the applicant so if we Grant the extension with a list of instructions of what to do next yeah we should give them some indication of what we're looking for cuz otherwise we're just to your point earlier spinning our Wheels in theirs and everybody else's okay I think that they need to go to conservation and have the whole subdivision modification approved by conservation prior to going to the other boards yeah other than that we just guess it's just a guess work yeah awesome so I think they need to go to subdivision I mean to have the whole subdivision do we put this in a motion what we just state it well technically we shouldn't be discussing well we're trying to discuss whether or not we should give them a continu yeah it's a procedural thing we're discussing right yeah you you could give them continu see and and include continent upon you know taking care of this that want to make a motion that we give a continuance for 30 days to hildan with the um regard that they go to conservation before any other boards to get the entire subdivision modification approved by conservation then it goes to us or it goes to zoning next and then it would go to I think it come to planning and then they would have and then we would give subject to them receiving a variance is that correct yeah they'd have to do it to get a building permit anyway so at that not going to get a building permit without the right exactly okay well that's how I would think it would go yeah I think it should come to the planning board and then go to zoning board foration first but cons after conservation I got a second is there a second I'll second it if the see there's a motion on a second to uh Grant the extension uh in the uh addition of uh conservation approval uh prior to uh review by the planning board on on their next application for the entire subdivision modification so they might need an extension longer than 30 days that's up to we can do 30 exactly okay all right uh all those in favor I'll ask for a Voice vote uh Brendon yes aming yes Thomas Yes Rick yep and myself yes unanimous thank you okay uh moving on to the next appointment uh which is on the application 24244 anov Vera site plan review application for map 73 block 7A Plymouth Street Daniel com us and I can't think of his name Virg thank you Top Line petition stop please it wouldn't come out have a good night you guys so all right what are we doing with Mr Vera where are we with Mr Vera we've had again so many extensions on this one it's he was waiting to get some drawings for the historical right and that what architectural plans right Danielle another question on site plan um application dates and whether we're um needing an extension again or of the like pleas purg just purg has not asked for an extension at this time so I'm not really sure um what their plan is I know that they were waiting for some architectural plans um and something for historical um haven't received word if they received that yet or if they're um um any closer to coming back to you guys so I'm not sure so the only reason that I ask is because we need to make sure the site plan doesn't lapse and then they would get um constructive approval um and tell you let me see um I think we approved it anyway not officially wrong but subject to them getting the historical people like did we actually look s right did we I don't think did we approve it yeah I think I think we were good with my recollection is and I may you wrong that we were good with the site but we were holding it up because they hadn't finished with all he talked to John and was trying to trying to get an appointment with and I say John J only because he's delete his on for lack of a better term right and I thought he had talked to him we given an extension and even we spoke at I'm sorry at the uh the last meeting about because they couldn't make it and couldn't make it and he was having trouble finding somebody to do the drawings or something but and and then we did as a board also thought that if it was just going to keep being propos postponed then it's time to vote on it one way or the other oh we did say that didn't we but I think that like wouldn't it be good to know what the building is going to look like just in case fa to say what if they needed to change it like wouldn't you think that's would be where they started apart well I think he knows what he wants my recollection again and it may be faulty we it came up somebody mentioned the fact that he was having difficulty finding somebody to actually do the Renditions you know with with making it look appropriate for the historical people but I don't know if that was here or outside or somewh else well how much time left on his extension do we have any idea that's what I was asking I think she's digging for that Danielle are you digging for the uh site plan um extension extensions for Arnold we so I know I have I have all of them I'm pretty sure they're okay um uh let's see I know the last one not the last one second to last one was extended to um December 9th and then I believe after that one they they had asked for 60 day extension I kind of I vaguely you know what I bet you're it's in the minutes right here I bet you it's in this extension form that's on the computer right now oh let's look at that 129 J 129 there you go 3202 32 oh that was the file extended to December 9th and then oh okay so this is the one that you were reading correct the one that says December 9th and then I'm I'm 99% sure it was a 60 day from that one it looks like should be where they're at now to expires 2725 that sounds right so as long as we have Quorum on 26 it's fine why don't we just well I know but who knows why don't we give it why don't we give it a 30-day just to make sure and not get cuz of construction J up at the last minute yeah yeah okay um I'll move to do in a 30-day extension on 24-- 244 from 272020 2025 for 30 days um and then the math because of the 28th somewhere in the beginning of [Applause] March no you're doing okay you're doing 30 days on to the 27 y r right this will be like March 6th what is it March 6 March 6 okay there's a days this year right 28 not thank you so to March 6 okay Daniel do you have a second on that or no no not yet there's a motion on the floor we have a second all those are in favor of the extension of the of uh petition number 24 s-244 uh please say I I unanimous did you hear that Brendan was the second or Danielle okay I just want to make sure okay all right and then so we just continued the hearing right so now let's move on to uh deal way Covenant release are are you all good with this with d way I mean you recuse yourself on the other one I I don't know if you want I don't think you have to that I recused myself in 193 home street but I I don't have anything with daily way that's all right the thing I just I'm way too close to Chris to be sitting here and all right so we got the bond right that's we have the bond the bond has been registered down with the with the uh Treasurer uh the they needed the original uh I got a uh correspondence which is a I think is why you know just kind of giving a little credit what credit is due I'm I'm glad the selectman decided uh you know that we do need we needed Town Council present uh for the deal you way cuz I I didn't even know that to release a covenant Do's Mass General law involved and uh so uh I think it's a a credit that we we get it right you know and it has to be done right and uh dotting the eyes and crossing the tees so to speak uh so I don't know if anybody else has any more information on it but I I uh found out that uh basically bottom line here's what uh our board is kind of looking at there's Mass General Law chapter 41 section 81 U uh required for uh what's required is uh the pro there's there's several different way no there isn't several there's three different ways or a combination of uh three different ways that the board can go on it and uh Town Council thinks Town Council thinks the way that we did it and decided to have uh um Mr Sylvester post the bond is the best way of doing it uh which reassures US that we're we're moving in the right direction awesome okay uh under under that M general what do we have uh that proper V sufficient sufficient in the opinion of the planning board to secure performance of the construction of ways and the installation of Municipal service the planning board may require that the applicant specify the time within which construction shall be completed so again uh hom Town Council uh said the same thing it's it's great that we have a bond we can either have a bond or we can require them to have a covenant he suggested that the bond is the best way to go and and the only thing according to Mass General law uh he he pointed out that uh Mr huon pointed out that uh we put a date certain on it so I said we had kind of toss that around at our last meeting uh uh you know and I said I asked specifically you know what's required 24 months 12 months you know he said uh that he thinks uh it's a little excessive he said if uh the Mr Sylvester said he wants to uh begin the uh construction of the road in uh June 30th in uh in the spring and basically when the asphalt plant opens up uh it would probably take 2 or 3 weeks I I pointed out to uh uh Town Council that uh he got an estimate from what was it SLT I believe it was for 220,000 and he said just to make sure that everything uh in case they were ran into a problem or an increase he he got the bond for 250,000 it was effective in December so uh uh it was it was recommended that maybe 9 months from the date of the uh of the bond which was December 10th so uh 9 months from then would would be more than reasonable uh to get it to get it up and running and doesn't his bond run out the end of November that didn't Sylvester say that at the last meeting it usually goes a year usually 12 months it's usually November 29th can we just do in line with you can do anything we want I mean I know 9 months is 9 months it was the difference between 9 and 11 but at the end of the day I mean just hav line up with that because like let's just say I know he's probably got the money but you know business changes we have a new Administration going in in a couple days things can happen prices can Spike or whatever and then if he may need the summer to get through some stuff and then that at least gives him all of the Fall before the ground starts to freeze again yeah the goal here is to get it done get it done we have it line up with the B that so why do we make it in extendable of certain circumstances well see that's why he recommended uh 9 months that would give us a 3mon buffer okay you know just just in case and again he was talking about basically Rick you'd probably know better what what's the take maybe two weeks to put the to Road in one do everything we're not talking months no no no Yeahs but you know then again it's getting the contractor there too so right that's what I'm saying I specifically well myself I feel comfortable with if he recommended 9 months that we go with the 9 months that as long as it can be extended yeah well it does it it's it can be done up until the expiration of the of the yeah I'm sure he doesn't want to put another Bond up he wants to get it done right you know right yeah he's going to get it done I don't see a need for another a covenant I I don't think that's necessary I think that's crazy the bond kind of it does it we're not doing any it good FY uh so do we need a motion to release yes let me let me finish this way okay cool he suggested you have something I need to read he recommended that a uh that the uh the board should vote first to accept the bond okay you know this Bond uh to uh specifically say to substitute the bond for the Covenant and then uh that will invol will release the lot from the Covenant uh and to the set date by which the work must be completed so November 29th in agreement that's when we would uh that's when we release it uh he asked that that preferably be made suggested that that be made in one in one motion he said the board also needs to sign a a release of the Covenant and that's uh the planning board consign he said he said it's it's just a uh a basic General release of the cment form I asked Danielle if if we had one in or and ask Mr huum if he could either for one forward one or or dictate one for us but we can get to that so so even if it was in the office sometime this week and we all could make it by or something like that exactly can I have that information um from the bond so that I can read the laot information into the bond data I'm going to make a motion so we're going to we're going to you need in the motion first that we have to to accept the bond from from Mr Sylvester for the lot and that that's why I was saying like this information Isa if there's an ID number or something please read it into the but what is the exact number of this lot again I don't know why 6A seems to stick out Danielle do we have an exact Lot number for the what for the lot that contains the Covenant um as far as you know just six okay thank you I thought it perfect it was even 6 or 68 oh mhm sorry I didn't do that so I wonder if it's there's no address it would have to be Drive okay so I think it's it's six house Lots over there right yes and Mr Sylvester was number five five would kind of make sense it would be six it's not like a street you walk down so and I think U Mr uh Mr what's his name is number three uh CH I believe it's three deal your way so it would make sense that sorry yeah the first one was what's his name's daughter's house right oh yeah why wouldn't it be on the assesses map uh the property assessors map under uh stman stman isn't that um it's close it's um I can never remember his name I know Spellman I got the SP SW swans well I can look it up on the uh yeah it's just not Google it's not on our ass's database I have it right here it's like a homepage thing for me so let's see why do we keep saying Stillman it's close it's close [Music] what are you looking for just lot identification so that when we're making the motion everything's hunky dory it's not on that paper I don't know why I thought I read it on there but maybe not it's not on the bond no no his the person who took the bond out he's at number five deal your way but it doesn't see okay oh I have it here cuz I just pulled it up on the SS's did he have in trust or something no Kevin Spellman car Karen um okay so I'm going to read the parel ID and does that and it's hold on three daily away let me go back hold on that might be a street dress I know hold on I was also thinking maybe you said the daughter owned one that maybe it's in yeah that was sp's uncle's daughter his niece oh no whatever that is well it is probably the right one cuz it says it's valued at 190 so is probably right okay [Music] 6D thank you that's the assessors man that's the assesses as it as 6D all right so I'm going to read the registry book in uh page yeah 46 yeah this is the lot okay and the registry Deeds number okay that's what it wouldn't say it on the bond because Mr Sylvester is just taking out a bond he's the one whose name and address is is it is the owner of the bond okay we make a motion to accept Bond number 8054 330 um for Bruce sylvesta who lives at five daily away Halifax Massachusetts to complete the work to you mind if I interrupt to to substitute the bond for the Covenant located at 6D deal way to substitute the Covenant the bond for the Covenant okay to so the bond will be to um take the place of the Covenant is that okay yes okay sorry I didn't say it exactly I didn't mean to not um um lot 6 D daily way otherwise known and and um further explained in reg uh Plymouth County Registry of Deeds book 59021 D4 at which time will we will'll release the lot from the Covenant in at which time then the planning board y will release the lot from the Covenant and set the date for the work to be completed by September 30th of 2025 and set the date to is that an agreable date for everybody okay to set the date of completion by 9:30 2025 Bingo that that's what he suggested that we do better all in one no no this is this is the no this is we should get it right yeah do you want me to try it one more time no no I think it's fine second okay we have a motion on the floor in a second to uh accept the bond from Mr Sylvester uh in in place of the Covenant that's currently on Deal your way for the property uh in with the object with the objective to release the the lot from the cment uh upon the completion of work of the of dealu way to be done by September 30th 2025 good job yeah okay uh I'm going to ask for a Voice vote please yes Brendon yes Amy Amy really yes Tom Tom Yes Rick yes and myself yes passes unanimous in which case now uh Danielle yeah we'll um make sure that we do have uh Mr uh huum said that we would be able to find a a basic uh release a covenant form on one of the files he he said it was in a in a file at the Halifax Town Hall so good luck trying to find out where that is but he suggested that we can do that once we vote this in as a motion can actually release the Covenant okay so we'll sign that as soon as you yes so maybe um Danielle can let us know if it's in the office to be signed like whenever it gets done right yeah probably on Tuesday okay awesome yeah CL Monday Beauty oh yeah goodness light at the end of the T again on Tuesday okay and again I I thanks to Mi Mr hon there there was an awful lot of technical things in there an awful lot of legal things an awful lot of uh uh detail that that's uh why we have them and his efforts are well appreciated all right uh let's move right on to oh hearings continue requested we we we already did it we did that one okay and now let's go to the uh meeting minutes uh December minutes to sign December 5th December [Applause] 5th so we couldn't vote on this in the last meeting cuz it was only you me and Rick okay so I'll make a motion to accept the minutes as written for Thursday December 5th 2024 it's Rick Amy and Brendan on this one second second all those in favor what's that yes all of those three all those in favor say I I passes unanimous let's move on to December 19th or do we have to sign them off well only um only the three those three right and then Rick and then um December 19th here you go I'll make a motion for the December 19th meeting minutes and who's voting on that one Amy um that I think is all of us all I think all of us anybody have any uh changes deletions or corrections I don't I don't think okay you accept a motion then to accept the minutes of December 19th 2024 so mov in a second second all those in favor accepting the meeting minutes of December 19th 2024 uh please say I I I I unanimous and January 2nd the only thing that I found on the January 2nd meeting minutes was um at the bottom of the first page it says meeting minutes and move to the next it's silly so don't worry I'm just saying um Amy and Rick were not in attendance on December 5th it was the opposite so I'm just going to cross out where I'm going to cross out the knot and say or I don't know maybe we just meeting minutes where how about we just put meeting minutes or move to the next meeting for December 5th does that make sense all right I'll just cross it off here okay then we can vote on the minutes of January 2nd 2025 as corrected okay um do I have a motion um so moved in a second second a motion in a second to accept the minutes of January 2nd 20125 as corrected all those in favor say I I I by the voting members 19 okay bills we need some bills let's to just read it you don't want to save for bills go go straight on Mr n Danielle I put all of the signed extensions in the same folder as the bills just so that you're aware all right good thanks yep you're welcome do we have the minutes for the second yeah we did the minutes of the second yeah we did that one oh yeah that was the last one we just did okay yeah that was the one as corrected okay um we we have planning Bo account to oh what am I doing um make a motion to pay pgb engineering for professional service services from December 1st to December 31st for hildene plan review 24-105 and the amount of $600 from the revolving account do I have a second second there's a motion in a second uh to pay the uh pgb engineering invoice number 24-105 all those in favor say I I unanimous make a motion to play pay WB Mason for invoice number 24938 492 for office supplies in the amount of $14.49 do I have a second second a motion in a second to pay the bill to WB Mason for the $14.49 all those in favor say I I I [Applause] unanimous thank you you're welcome I think that's it your real name having trouble signing any that's all I have anybody else have any new business anything to discuss uh motion to ajour um actually one thing can we can we can we put Starbucks on the next agenda yes okay I think that's a good idea okay cool cuz uh I understand there uh there's been a lot going on the uh building inspector has gone up there and basically said what are you doing uh he said uh the it's uh oh what the uh real real estate something out of C out of Florida that's uh the real estate company R re I believe oh R it's like a back uh no this is out of Florida and quum line according to uh Ed when I spoke to him he said uh basically bottom line I have a valid building permit uh go so they they kept going he said well wait a minute and then the conservation got into it and said wait a minute you don't have uh uh anything final approval from conservation well there's been an order of uh conditions that were submitted from the pl from the uh Conservation Commission go they kept working but now to point to your also what what I think my take on the whole thing is that now that the storage unit is not in there uh the easement is is the road that was being in is now been changed altered and whatever uh septic system wise they were sharing the septic system with uh the storage unit you know that we approved way in the back well not it's not the setic system they were sharing uh the retention retention pawn and there is a specific problem with the uh there's two different uh Wetlands delineations the one that they did for O'Reilly's does not match the one that was uh that has now been up for the other one well yours is wrong no mine is right yours is wrong no yours is wrong mine is right so uh and again as far as the septic system goes from what I understand I believe uh Mr Cody uh Cody Hadad has has more information on it but it's my belief that uh you need Rick you correct me from a wrong you need uh three perks for this for the septic system yeah three per system I Pat brenon one meeting when I mentioned it when we approved it I said said you only have two holes one of them is even anywhere near one of the septics and uh he said you need four two primary and two Reserve but I maybe the town only wants three uh but anyway I don't see six holes out there at least I didn't see a plan with six six good perk holes out there in the areas they have to be in the area of the septic not just somewhere on the lot you know we could so I don't know I mean I asked Bob Valley about it and he he says they have an approved septic design for a storage unit they have one for a St they have one for a storage it was just the office that's all we need it's just one little office but this is this is a no you get well the plan we looked at showed two separate steps it's one for was a retention Pawn there I don't know they maybe we should just uh have Danielle send a letter or a note to the Board of Health and ask him where they're at well I do know there was a meeting to the site yesterday what's the date Thursday uh I believe it was on Wednesday between conservation I don't know if uh Board of Health was involved or not but I know it was conservation uh Mr Hadad and I believe uh Town Council was coming up to see what was uh what was happening so again the results of the meeting I I don't know I have not heard but I did I did speak with uh with uh the building inspector Ed and he said they have a valid building permit now whether or not I'm going to issue uh an occupancy permit what was the building permit for the the ready for this though they had cuz that should have been there would have ordinarily been three different permits remember the so number one the um easement for all the drainage hasn't been recorded for which was they couldn't get a building permit until that was all done for the a 340 I think Al the drainage issu so until that was actually recorded there shouldn't have been a building permit um and that hasn't been done and also how do they have access because they didn't remember 16710 where they were using the driveway to the storage was how they were getting onto the lot they came that was a drive-through entrance and they said that right and they weren't even going to do the project was recorded in registry of el said that if I recall correctly as far as the the driveway going through but that was before again you know to Brendan's point and yourself included that was four plans ago you know well no and now the storage place is out of the question but they need the access road because they only can go east nobody can enter that lot without entering through store lot we we should probably do a little homework and then ask them to come in and find out where the heck and the inspector maybe they address that with Bo of health and let's find out where the heck this thing is at yeah because they they're goinge they doing a lot of construction they don't have access well they're just doing site work which technically doesn't require a permit but um right oh yeah you can do all that you can do all the site work you want get a demo as long as you don't put a foundation in right exactly need a permit for the foundation but they got a build on permit but why would they do all that if they weren't ever going to have the access I don't know sense makes sense that's what doesn't make any sense because you know what it is they're all saying it's easy to ask for forgiveness if it is permission did we we needed that exactly play but what if they want a certificate compliance for the sep they don't have one or occup you I I don't get it you know I wouldn't be investing anything into it until I made sure that was going to fly get all your ducks in a row yeah absolutely I actually this last year it happened me in pen Brook I went to you know tore down the house put a new one up went to do the septic and there wasn't an approved plan for it but they had a building perram and the house was all built so I get on the board of health I need this approved plan it's like oh we don't what are you talking about that's not in the file it's funny it's happening a lot lately but it turned out they didn't need it cuz all they needed I asked liser I said how do you issue a building permit if there's no septic design she goes all you need is perk test plus you know it was kind of different too cuz it was an existing house it was actually classified as a repair but uh it was funny they got you know all ready to go it's like so they had to scramble and have the engineer come up with the approved plans cuz and uh give it to the she blasted right through for me to get the approval you know my God uh leaders real estate leaders real estate uh out of uh o oo Florida on the hone oov v i e d o Florida there's a phone number and ' you get that engers yet so my issue is I either go out Indian Path or I go out off a ling to and then I I never through it's crazy the work they've done down there mean nobody stopped them be surpris the stuff that you can do and probably get away with on these bigger on these bigger plants but beyond that all they've really done is s yeah they're not really doing anything they cut some vegetation down they they ripped up some asphall I think conservation actually asked them to do it or am I confusing that with the 111 River Street one that did they ask did they I think they might have I again like I said I don't know if I'm confusing it but I thought they also said to that they shouldn't be working there because of something I forget what the exact thing was cuz it's like Wednesday oh Tuesday they they were trying to get a season desist to will stop down there that's okay so that is what happened at cons whether that happened or whether they got that well obviously they didn't cuz they were working there today yeah they're not listening apparently but they shouldn't have a building permit because of um the drainage easement That was supposed to be signed between um Al and P and if that hasn't been done Tom Al was at conservation on Tuesday night and was and brought it to it was just the roadway that remember they came up with a with a uh stamped certified copy of that it was that the registry of deeds was registered it was between the alers and I think it was the storage company that you know that allowed the UN it was going to be recorded and they presented it to us with a you know stamp on everything and but again that might not have been well he just said that the other night so I don't know yeah I don't know like I would have to search the rest I'm sure that within the next couple of days they were meeting in head Town Council invol we probably be getting at least some some more again this is secondhand that I'm I'm just relaying to you guys was wasn't that I sat in on a meeting or or said this is what happened yeah I was at conservation yeah oh yeah yeah yeah I know I know conservation wasn't very happy they shouldn't be s i you know I hate to say this at the bottom of our agenda there is in red correspondence from the office of the board select regarding Class 2 online used motor vehicle sales license condition it wasn't on the agenda though then they sent me a thing about the the uh conditions too that they it's strictly online sales that the blue F they forbid all no no vehicles on the uh on the property no uh oh no repair place no all all they can do is sell cars online and uh I don't know what it needed to to thisr what to do oh then we have to reopen you guys all glad I yes we didn't close it I thought we W Jour we were just talking because well no I I was like wait a minute before we do that can we add this on to the next meeting and then we just had a conversation that's what happened yeah okay um so correspondent mess me and tell me don't forget thank you stuff all the red lettering she CAU it I'm going to have to start my truck again did you start it yes I I'm confused on what we're doing with this like so they want us to read it and um they would like the planning board to sign the verification form stating whether the spr is necessary or not the add is 500 Industrial Drive so it's the they need AAL per um site plan site plan site plan the conditions set forth by the 500 I'm trying to figure out plan review so the selling they sell Ka online this really going to be no Ka here or something there were no cars there no inspection of carss no come take a look at a car here no to the cars cross pars like down by the Yeah like DMC they work on like high level race cars or dve oh that's okay okay that rings the bell now and didn't we at one point we talked to them and nothing happened someone going to do something like that online it was DMC yeah the same building right so so they're basically asking whether or not we think aired or not based on the the I mean while we all right so the board of Selectmen have a notice of a public hearing that they're going to be holding on January 24th so the town Selectmen are going to have a hearing on the 21st at 6:00 p.m. in the selectman's meeting room here um relative the application for a class 2 online newed Motor Vehicle sales license to Timothy J Dunn for 1734 Auto Brokers LLC on property located at 500 Industrial Drive so they're just asking for well I think what they're saying is like because I think sorry I no you're fine I think how I'm reading it is that because it's a change of use do they need a where if as long as the business I'm thinking as long as the business aderes to the regulation set forth by the board of Select that there won't be chars on the lot then we don't need to have a site riew for there's nothing for us to review in order for in order for it to stay in line with the protocol I don't think there is unless somebody's going to enlighten me on why they do based on what I'm hearing I can't see any reason to require a site point I mean it doesn't make any sense what would they present well why wouldn't we make a motion that states that um as long as they are not um showing cars um what all right so let let let me ask this are they going to be allowing people to come and test drive cars where we're now going to be doing auto dealership like plates and things like that you said specifically no specifically oh I should have given you this and it would have been easier for you to make your motion on instead of my I have it one of the things I think happen that in that scenario from a business perspective they act as a broker they'll find they'll find a car they'll find the buyer they have the car Shi directly to the to the buyer okay so so no tax driving no and I but I would assume that The Bard select lay out those regulations right to say Hey listen you can't have a used car lot down there that's not what this is this is St online and then whatever so I would just make a motion that as long as there's no site plan review required um based on based on the fact that you know based on the border s regulations all right I I might even get a little bit more detailed on that subject to all right so I'll make a motion that um what you just read the certain things that or enumerated is said no no on-site Vehicles no repairs no testing no warehousing so they're not even going to have the cars there no no okay no all right okay all right I get you now okay so it's like not having houses at the office got it investment right I take it from Fidelity and I bring it to main State I don't touch that got it okay okay so um in I'll make a motion that um 1734 Auto Brokers LLC which will be be located at 500 Industrial Drive does not need to have a site plan approval or site plan done as long as they do not have vehicles on the property or in the building on the property and they comply and they comply with the selectman with the items on the selectman's um rules and regulations okay that's it second Motion in the second all those in favor of the letter being sent out please say I I unanimous so now we will show that at 8:20 I will accept a motion to adjourn I'll move that second a motion in a second to adjourn all those in favor say I that way we you guys sign that form if you haven't which form attached to that oh okay reming you huh you're welcome for reminding you about that last oh oh [Music]