[Music] I think it's time to call the meeting of the town of Halifax Planning Board. Meeting for
Thursday, September 18th, 2025. Wow. When did it get to be the 18th of September? I have to announce that uh the planning board meeting is being recorded by area 58 and can be viewed on YouTube and
community access television. We are located in the selectman's meeting room at town hall 499 Plymouth Street here in Halifax. Of course, present tonight for the board is Bruce
Sylvester on Zoom. You can see his face right there. To my left is Amy Troop, myself, Tom Millius, Bert Gainner, and Jamie Walsh. I guess the first order of business is
to look at the agenda. >> I'll make a motion to accept the agenda as presented. >> Second. moved and seconded to >> approve the agenda as presented. Because we have a Zoom participant, we need to
do a roll call vote. I'll start with Bruce. >> Yes. >> James, >> yes. >> Bert, >> yes. >> Myself, Tom, yes. Amy, >> yes. >> Unanimous. First order of business um is
a continuation of PSPR 253 539 Plymouth Street site plan review. Is anyone here for that? >> No. Okay. >> So the date on that the 21st What is the pleasure of the board? I I
guess he uh from what I understand uh Danielle could probably give us more uh specifics on it, but I guess he came in and and made them aware that it was December uh September 21st and he was going to look for an extension something about uh the
engineer or the designer still hasn't uh come up with uh details of specifics. So, we was asking for an extension. Uh, I asked uh Danielle uh if uh he was looking for a 30-day or
45day or whatever and uh it wasn't any anything specific. So, I guess it' be up to the board what we uh we would like to give him. >> Danielle, are you on? >> Yes. >> He did ask for an extension, correct?
>> Yeah. He said he would be there tonight, so I don't know if you want to circle back around to this and give him a few more minutes. Um >> Okay. Yeah, we can come back. We can we can table it for now and come back to it. >> Mhm. >> All right. Thank you.
Uh the only other thing we have going on is um discussions. Um this is sort of a broad category. Um we were talking about looking at things the planning board can do and probably
should be doing um in terms of u properties in town. Uh maybe looking at our zoning maps to see if you know any changes need to be made or some tweaking. Most of those um designations were done in the '7s. Things have changed or maybe nothing's changed but
we should probably take a look at them. Um, specifically we were talking about the corner at 58106, the the old Cumberland property, and see what kinds of things we might be able to do to help maybe remove the blight. Um, if I can be
that bold here. Um, one of the things I was going to bring up, it's kind of confusing as to ownership there. There's a million Cumberland Farms entities and it's hard to tell who's who uh without actually getting to somebody. I I was going to
ask the board if um we had a consensus for uh somebody or myself to reach out to the owners and see what their situation is there. see what kind of activity's been on the property, if they've had any interested buyers, and if there's any feedback as to, you know,
um anything the town might be able to look into that might help us put something on that corner, uh or maybe just get rid of what's on the corner, uh which would be, you know, a plus. So, so just throwing it out to see if
anybody had any any comments. Uh, one of the issues, um, I thought in the past might be where the, uh, zoning line is, um, may be a little detrimental to a business on that corner, but in Halifax, you can go 50 ft into the more restrictive zone, but we don't actually
have an accurate map of where that zone is. We have a pretty good idea, but we have no measurements. Um, do you have any >> I've got plot plans from years ago. >> That would be super helpful if you could our original plot plan and even the one
that Kings gave us. We bought the property >> because the land next to us is residential, >> right? >> And then if you recall when Sadels was there, there's a telephone pole and I think that was sort of the line and then they they were into the residential area
a little bit for parking. >> Yeah, they they actually spilled over. >> Right. Right. That was my understanding. There was some >> I still have some paperwork from years and years ago about that. I'll dig that up. that would be >> I do have the planning. I do have the >> that that would be hugely helpful because that would have some
measurements on it. >> Just for the record, could you stay >> My bad. I apologize. >> Um what are your thoughts on that, Keith? Do you have any >> Well, >> in terms of the zoning, >> I like the way things are now as far as our property because it's a residential
plus we have in business. Everything's going well. We really try our best to keep it up. We're finally getting through the fire. Um almost done with that renovation. Yeah. But um yeah, that was us. But anyway, um yeah, it's it's a blight. I mean, we know that. I mean,
we've been there for what, 40 years now, and I if I recall, it's been 25 years or so. >> Has to be has to be over >> and I'm just amazed they're paying property taxes all those years on their property. I mean, it's amazing. >> Well, there was a there was one point they weren't um back probably 15 years
ago that I saw on the registry of deeds. There's always been a huge mess with the family that that property kept changing hands. All their properties were changing hands over and over again. I don't even know which entity of Cumberland Farms currently owns it.
>> Um it just said on the property record cards, it just says Cumberland Farms Realy Trust. Is that what it said? So whoever that is. Um, but my thought process at least was to reach out and see if they have any
particular problems that and I have no vested interest in this property. I just want to make sure everybody understands that >> other than to get something on their property that makes some sense. >> Mother, >> the one >> I recall there was a mold mitigation
done maybe 15 years ago that I had them do when I was the building inspector. And I know that Rock Pitcher really had him do an extensive one and remove the insulation and board it up for security, but that was probably eight or nine years ago now. >> Do you know have are the police been by
there? I've never even walked back there for years, but I mean I do hear sometimes kids over there or whatnot, but I mean are the police monitoring that at all? Is there any entrance into the building at all? I I honestly don't >> because one of my concerns I was thinking about it today was you know it's got the big X on it which is
>> a vacant building correct >> that just basically what that's doing is >> alerting right alerting >> there's no there's no >> yeah and do not enter basically >> do not enter but you know for example if there was a situation there a fire or something and that is designated like
that I mean what if there's kids in there you know what I mean >> and that that's concerns me you know >> well The other the other thought I had too was to uh and I know currently we have an interim building inspector, but he's a pretty good guy and he's pretty
knowledgeable. I thought maybe we could reach out to the building inspector to take a look at it too and board of health cuz you know they have an overlapping jurisdiction on those kinds of properties if there's any mold and asbestous and that type of thing. I I was reading today the for what it's
worth the Massachusetts laws on that and they say a building can be condemned by the board of health uh for a building that does have potential for vandalism and even vandalism >> and you know several criteria like that it doesn't necessarily have to be
because of mold or some other condition. >> The board of health has more authority than any other court in the state. Um they they can do more than anybody. Uh, but that's a that was the other part of it was to reach out to our agencies to see if maybe
>> they can at least look at it and or maybe put some pressure on the owners to do something with it. I know the selectmen have been talking about it. Um, >> you know, I don't think we're in any position to buy it as a town. I mean, they're looking for 2.1 million. No, they're not. >> I don't know how that appraises less
than that. >> Um, yeah. Um, they're expired after market. They have a sign up, but they're not on MLS. I researched to today. It isn't on any of the commercial websites. And their last list price was $7.49 in the year um 2021, November of 2021. So,
>> but the most recent MLS listing was 2.1, right? >> No, 749. >> Yeah. And the last uh I was told to think they came down on that was 600,000 for the uh for the corn. >> Yeah. They didn't have it listed on MLS though. Um,
>> so they would probably sell it for a lot less. >> I don't know how motivated they are to sell it. That's that's what I think is the big problem. I don't know if it's a major >> I think that shows I think that shows that they're motivated and they probably haven't received an offer.
>> It's kind >> that they would accept. >> Yeah, it's kind of a tricky tricky lot the way it lays out. It depends on whose business, what business. I mean, it's usable. I mean, people have been paying five and 600,000 for land in town. Um,
>> but I understand too that Cland Farms has several huge conditions slash restrictions. They can't no business. They don't they don't need anything specific, but of course they want to try to protect it from their competition. They don't want any convenience store
items to be sold. They don't want a gas station on it. >> Uh, >> but didn't the family sell? So yes, yeah, that's a lot of questions, right? >> Well, they did start New England farms though. >> So you know that one in Cara, that's the
convenience store/g 44, that one. >> Yep. >> Yeah, >> that's them. >> Um, >> but here's the thing, and I think you did the same thing, correct? That there is no recorded deed restrictions.
>> No. No. They wouldn't put those in until they sold it. Whoever if they were concerned about it, they would put those restrictions in as they're selling >> at the point of sale. Yeah. Exactly. >> So then somebody savvy would just be like, I'm going to do this and that. So maybe that's what the problem is is they
don't want to sell to a gas station and therefore won't. >> Well, to to Jaime's point, they did sell the company. However, we don't know what the agreements were with the new company. >> Yeah. Do they assume all the same? Yeah, they they could have had an arrangement
where they said, "Now, you know, any property you own within proximity of the stores we're buying, we have to put restrictions." We have no idea, but that's why I was thinking we could at least reach out and see if we can find out anything. Anything would be helpful at this point. >> Well, I think that we should um go to
the board of health where and and just write a letter to the board of health. But we got to be careful that we're not realtors and we we like so like I get the whole thing but we're like I am a realtor but on this board we're not real. You are a
realtor. We're not we're not real estate agents as a >> No. And we're not looking to help them, you know, to list it or anything like that. We're just looking to see what kind of problems they're having. What is there anything I that the town can do? I don't know what the town could do, but
um >> Joe's on. Let's Let's hear what Joe's got to say, if anything, on this. Joe Braga, >> there he is. >> Hi, boy. >> Hi, sir. How are you? >> Wow, I said something good about you and I didn't even know you were on.
>> Who would you call on me? There are avenues and it doesn't have to be just um from that I can find out. Um, there's never been a unsafe structure by a building official tagged on that
building. That exit by the fire department and all that is is to tell the firefighters if it catches fire don't go in. >> That's what we have to do. Um, as far as what health can do so much, but the
building official can do more because I have total jurisdiction over tagging that building as unsafe and putting pressure on common firearms in Westbrow through violation letters and then see how they react. Um, first thing that I
had this discussion today. Um, well, first thing I would need to do is get be able to get into that building, get access, go in, take photos, etc. And then I would be able to um deem it as unsafe and then we can go from there.
And that's that's if you want to go to that place where that what you were saying, Tom, about putting some pressure on. That's how you put the pressure on when on a building sitting there is applicated like that in such disrespect disrepair and it's a nuisance and it's a
life safety issue of you start getting homeless people find their way in there. This happens in a lot of communities. >> Nuisance is the operative word there. Yeah. >> What's that? >> I said nuisance is the operative word there. >> That's it. And it's it's a life safety
issue also. So if public starts getting in there or getting around it and then they get hurt on it or on the property that becomes a major issue. So there is an avenue um to take to start taking action against common farms on that property to see what they're going to do.
>> Well, rather than the board reaching out to them, is that something you could take up just >> Absolutely. I I just need to be able to get into the building. That's what I I need to work. >> That would be that would be the best way to handle this. that I have to get in there first and then I have all legal um
thing tools that I need to pursue Cumberland Farms on unsafe structure and violation of others that I have to get it in there first and then I can start doing that against Cumberland Farms. So that's how I can help the town to start pushing them to see what they're going to do.
>> I think that's a great idea. I I think we're not looking for a vote, but a consensus of you know having the building inspector to see what he can find out and get, you know, let us, you know, just keep us informed and let us know what's going on >> or at least find out the process and
what else has to be done be beyond the next step if deemed if it's deemed unsafe. >> Yeah, my my guess is that it's back to being a a mold factory in there. It's got to be. Um, that roof was leaking 15 years ago. I know they did a patch about
eight, nine years ago. >> Apparent. >> Yeah. Yeah, they did some roof work, but my guess is it's still leaking and it's still a mess in there. Not to mention even rodents, I'm got I got to believe that's just a guess. >> The other problem that I found out, too, is um no one seems to know where the
tanks are, the underground tanks. That was another issue that was brought up to me. >> I think they would have been removed if I recall. They, you know, by by state law when they moved across the street, >> they took the gas station out >> when it went across the street to where the Cland is now, the old ones had to
come out. >> I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. I think there's something kind of state regulation, too. If it's vacant and not being used, it's either over a year or two years, Joe. It might be something like that that if it's if they're empty for that long, they have to be removed
from the ground. >> Okay. >> So, and it's going to be Yikes. Like, is it probably 25 years. It's got to be pretty close. >> It's over that because I've been here 26 and it was there when I came out of town. So,
>> just the way it is now. >> It's hard to believe it's been that long, but just >> So, Walmart went in in 97. >> It's okay. >> Um Walmart went in in ' 97. When did um Sidels was the last thing to stay alive in there, wasn't it?
>> Uh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The baker The bakery was a pharmacy. And then the Drews Bakery I think it was. >> Um and then when Stop and Shop came in they actually um bought the business from Sidels. They bought the prescription.
>> So that would have been 0506. >> Yeah. >> So that would have been >> never for sure. >> Yeah. Collins wouldn't negotiate on the uh on the lease agreement. So he had to leave.
>> Sorry I lost my connection. So, I awesome communication with you um for you. I won't take much much of your time, but I did want to make that suggestion to the board that I'm more than happy to look into that and I'll start working on that next week >> um to gain access and take pictures and
do my report. I'll keep you updated what steps I'll be taking. >> I think that's great. >> Were you talking to legal about that today or who are you talking about that with? Um, I was actually talking about Ed cuz I wanted to know if he had
because it was brought it was brought to my attention the property and the agenda I saw was on tonight. >> Okay. >> I contacted Ed and said, "Ed, was there ever any formal written unsafe structure and um he said no, there's nothing in
the files and I couldn't find anything." So that's why I'm bringing it I wanted to bring it up to you that I would start that process. uh >> that's anal process. >> Was a mold test or an asbestous test done actually what 10 11 years ago 12?
>> Yeah, maybe. Yeah, around that time frame. I I know that they did a mitigation in there. I don't know to what extent it was. I I wasn't involved in it. But >> is that in the file? Do you know? >> Maybe we could look. >> Joe, maybe you could let us know if there's any mold mitigation in the file
when you get back to us. >> I will when I start researching it next week. Um, I I got to find out who can let me in. That's the thing. I got to find out how to get in, how to get access, right legally into that building. That's the thing I need to do first.
>> You might want to have them give you a hazmat suit. Just saying. >> Yeah, I'll go and wear it like the blue poncho I wore in Niagara Falls last week. >> Say you probably wouldn't have to go very far in with that, I think.
>> Yeah. So, I just thank you for your time. I just wanted you I'll be more than happy to try and uh help the board and the town with that. >> Well, that's a great first step. >> Much better to have him step up and >> get involved in this than us.
>> Yeah, he's the authority. >> Right. Exactly. And then from there we have to go to the board of health and at least we'll get the ball rolling. >> Yeah. Actually, you might want to search the board of health records for any mold mitigation. They might have been involved in that. >> Great idea. >> Right. I've been I may start to talk to
Bob a little bit. So I mean if we do something I would I would invite Bob into it so that it's a combined effort. >> All in one shot. That would make sense. >> That sounds great. I'm I'm I'm going to assume that we have a consensus on the board without taking any kind of
>> one question as a board. If they do condemn it then then what's our role in it? >> Not much. >> Not much. Okay. >> Yeah. Not much or nothing. >> I think where he's doing it I don't even think that we need to do anything. And I think we should >> I mean that's what that's what it sounds like he can take care of.
>> I was only looking at this from the point of view of planning. >> Yeah. >> Trying to actually do some planning. >> Right. So to that point planning. So if they do what's our role later down just >> nothing. >> Not really. You know >> what's for?
>> Well it's zone business but it does have a residential line running through part of it. And that's where I was talking about >> the 50 ft of Yeah. Maybe you know I don't know how >> what was it the business section I think was what 1.8 8 acres and then there was
another acre that was residential. Things how it breaks down. >> So actually for a business purpose I >> I believe the whole lot. >> I thought that too. >> Where's the deed? >> Cuz there's no there's no uh
>> Did you a deed floating around there? >> I thought it demarked. The only other line in here was the zoning line. >> That's where this was the acre and that was the 1.8. That's what
>> I think that's Keith's property. >> The one that it says, but it says on the thing house and barn to be taken down. That >> those were those were taken down years ago. Yeah. >> But that wasn't on your property. >> No. >> I think our map showed the line. >> Your yours is locked, too, right?
>> Take a look at this. I'm pretty confident this is yours cuz this >> this is ours right here cuz that's this is house barn. >> Yeah. >> Yep. And we're close to the line. And then >> let's see. Abington saving. Okay. Oh, yeah. We've got I think we've got some delineation on this right here.
>> 1.2 acres more or less. >> 1.2. >> I'll get my maps and bring them up to you guys. >> No, that that's not yours, right? >> Yep. Should be. Right. >> So, that's across the line. >> That's the property. >> I meant business. No, that's the
>> that's I think that was a forum. >> You're maybe you're right. This is us here. House and what is this? >> Yeah, cuz it's >> or the house and bond could be Well, it says it was going to be rain. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, this was their This was their former. We're here. >> Yes. Right. >> Right over here. Now I know what you're
talking about. This zigzag right here. >> Yeah. >> You're right. >> Cuz that was Kings when they were there, right? >> And then there's Paradise Land, >> right? We we bought that other land next to us, too. So, >> yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. I'll bring my map where >> Yeah, that'd be helpful. Thanks. Thanks. >> Yeah, sure.
>> I mean, honestly, like on Cava Street, they used that 50% >> 50T. >> Yeah, that's what I meant. >> Yeah, the residential business thing. It worked out over there. I think >> CL Farms used it on the other side of the street. They're 50 ft into the
residential zone, >> right? They actually took the hunk of building off from the original structure because they were encroaching into the residential area. And I I remember at the time I I told them they can't do that. So they cut it back, but they used
50 ft of the residential property because they could. >> What year was that? >> What did you say? 1997 98. What' you say was 97? 98 something. 97 I think is when Walmart
>> Yeah. Walmart started >> I didn't know about the company's year. >> Hold on. So back when it was remember when it was come we're talking new come far side now when it was come farms and there was the music store and there was tubs and
>> tans >> was that that building was torn down and this one's newer than >> not the whole building. Part of the building was torn down and the rest of it was renovated. That's when the roof >> got picked up in the storm. I don't know if anybody that the whole roof came off and then they actually lowered the whole
building >> cuz John the bobber was actually around the corner. >> He was on the corner. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, the building was up prior >> to when the come bombs moved over. >> They did the running. >> Yeah. >> And like I said, >> and put the gas pumps in.
>> Yeah. >> Wasn't just Cumberlands for a while without gas pumps? No, I think they did that all when they went back to Das. That was Couple of Files only. >> I know. >> You weren't driving back.
>> A lot of the stations ride my bike. >> A lot of the stations were golf stations. >> Anyway, that I think >> my bike pretty much covered that part of it for our involvement. Anyway, unless somebody else has anything else to go 1.8 from my uh Well, >> it's on it's on the map.
>> Yeah, >> 1.8. But I'm pretty But the well maybe that's what it was 1.2 plus something. >> Well it so that was >> might be the land going towards the old abington >> that that de may be a two part
>> I don't know that's confusing >> it is confusing >> but it sure looks like I think the technical word is looks like hell. So, see that? >> Pretty close. >> This is 277 Plymouth Street. Expired at 7:49 on November 8th, 2021.
>> Okay. >> Be nice to get that corner clean up. >> That but that sounds like the I couldn't agree with Joe more. That sounds like at least the place to start and get going. >> No, no, no. It's perfect. The fact that he's he's willing to jump in there and take a lead is perfect.
>> So, it does say 1.8 eight on the listing. Not that makes it right. >> That's true. That's what's on the map. That's what >> Right. So, there might be part of the deed or part of the This is exhibit A >> and that might be only talking about one of the lots.
>> It may have been another fossil involvement. >> Yeah, >> it's not. >> Which then is there a title issue? >> It's not big. >> No, it's really not. And that's kind of been the hangup, I think, with somebody purchasing that. >> And it's configured kind of strangely, too. cuz the square foot of the building
that would go onto the business portion >> would have to be somewhat small to accommodate >> apartment. You remember the name of the guy that lived there in the house? It was the old gray house. He >> our house or >> Yeah. The house that was on that was
torn down. >> Oh, I don't I don't know. >> And I think he was the manager of the old Cland farms. >> I couldn't remember. I can see >> Oh, we were wondering who his name what his name was. It's 100 years ago. >> What if there's a title problem that's
keeping it? >> Well, that's all kinds of things you could >> If you think about it, if they're selling 1.8 and then the deed has 1.2 cuz it doesn't refer to any other exhibit. Is there a a title issue? That could be it. >> All questions.
>> Well, I'm just putting it out there that where I just found that maybe that's something that >> I mean, there could be something missing too, but needing hand. Well, we got two different things kind of going on here, but with what they can do with it, try to do with it and the condition of the building. But I think having the
building inspector take the lead here is the way to go. >> Yeah. The rest the rest should fall into place whether you know if it's uh the restrictions are transferable from when they sold like you said from when they sold the property to the new owners. If you know that's all
>> they may even reach out to see what they can do with the property to see what kind of feedback they get, right? But >> good. >> Not that I'm trying to rush this along, but >> anyone else have another comment? Anybody want to offer? Anything else?
Anybody from the audience? >> So, I I think we're good for now. We'll just wait for something to come back from the building inspector and then uh if there's anything that we're going to discuss, we'll post it. But we can certainly keep people in the loop. Anyway,
>> I'll check my old maps and papers. I had some paperwork too cuz there was some conflict with the kinks. >> Yep. >> And Cumberlands over that residential lot over septics and tanks and >> there was a period of time >> they still got letters from Mary King on that. So I have to look at all those.
>> They also tried to reszone that at one point that failed. >> Oh yeah. I was >> that was retail meeting that night. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. That was pretty heated. >> That was a two-th3 vote. I missed by two votes. >> Yeah. >> Was it really? Wow. And then um then we went to the planning board and you know
we changed the bylaw so I could operate the vendor business in a residential zone with a special permit. >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah. Or everybody came out for that. >> Oh yeah. It was almost as heated as the Walmart. >> Oh it was good. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Those those were interesting back in 93. >> Two is tough. >> Yeah. when you were you trying to reszone your land as well at the time did not have a veterary office in residential zone there so it was only in business zone so so yeah we
>> had we bought the property from Kings or were we in the process I figured that now I >> think we're in the process and we went to town meeting and it was close um but some of the neighbors in Paradise Lane area were >> that's where >> all in arms and we're going to throw up
a Burger King come but um you know that's this way. But it was it all worked out for us. It's been actually it's been quite good. So, we're fine the way things are and obviously, >> you know, something's going to go on that corner. We would love to have it aesthetically pleasing and somebody we could work with and I'd love to keep the
residential area between us with the trees and stuff to keep the border. But >> yeah, >> so many years, God, it's had it for 25 years at least. >> I mean, when you talk about blight. Yeah, I sprayed it. They spray painted
it with >> Yeah. >> I think Sadal's moved out like 20 years ago and went into and >> because that's when Stop and Shop went in 20 2005, >> right? >> Stop and Shop was actually operating the
pharmacy for a while. >> Oh, were they? >> Before the store opened cuz they had bought it prior to >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, thank you. >> Yeah, thanks. >> Those documents paper. >> Yeah, that would be great. >> Yeah, there's some old letters back and
forth that I cuz Mary King said, "Make sure you keep this." >> I don't know what the problem was, but we'll look into it. So, >> excellent. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Nice to see you. >> Okay. Take care. Take it off. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, Keith.
>> All right. We're going to circle back to 539 Plymouth Street site plan review. Yeah, I need an extension. >> Okay. Y >> I called him today. He's like, >> "Yeah, she told us." >> Oh, sorry. Yes, >> that's okay.
>> We're just going to pick some time. And >> what do you think? 30 days, 45 days. What do you >> 60 days? >> 60 days. Tom, >> you should identify yourself first. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, you know, I keep forgetting to do that. Thank you. You just identify yourself. >> Yeah. Somewhere around 539 Street. I'm
trying to get X station. Um, >> thank you. >> I think 20 days will be enough because he say he's going to have it ready, >> you know, on uh >> I give him to the last meeting of >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Is the second meeting? >> Well, depending on our meeting
>> the first meeting in >> Yeah. Depending on I go 45 just to have one more meeting and >> Yes. >> Please better be safe than sorry. >> Yeah. Today >> first Thursday 39 days
>> just pick a day it's easier. >> Yeah I did the host the other day told >> for you guys so so we can figure it out with Buddha health. >> He's like yeah I have to bring to you guys now so he got to go to Buddha health. >> Yeah that's easier.
>> How you guys want you want him to go to health. >> So it'll be 39 days on the first meeting. >> Yes. Yes sir. >> But it'll be after that. So 39 days is November 6th. >> Yeah. >> Oh, wait a minute. And it's from the
21st. So actually, right? So the 21st is three more days. So yeah, it'll be 36 days. Yeah. So 45 days is probably what you should do to have the first meeting in November. >> Okay. >> And if you're ready before that, >> I can have the one in October 2nd. Correct.
>> You can if you're ready. >> Yes. Okay. So you would have October 2nd, October 16th, or November 6th included included in a 45day extension just in case you needed a different day. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Thank you. That would be best.
>> So then your expiration, you'd want to let us know by the beginning of November if you weren't going to be able to see us to ask for another extension if that's what you wanted to do. >> Yes. What's the beginning of November meeting date? >> November 6th. >> Okay, good. Good. But if you want to come in in October, you got to get to
her a couple of days, three days before >> that meeting because it has to be posted before. >> Yes. What I'm gonna do is as soon as he gives to me, I can give it to Danny. I'll put it online >> and she can tell you what when we I'll make a motion then to uh extend a
45day extension uh to the applicant on PSP5 PR25-3 for the property at 539 Plymouth Street uh for the site plan review which would expire on November 6th, 2025.
>> No, sorry. It would ex it would expire on November 15th. >> Oh, 15. Yeah. Yeah. November 15, 2025. >> And of course, as it was explained, >> if you are ready beforehand, you can certainly get on an earlier agenda.
>> Another question I have for you guys. It's like right now. >> Oh, wait a minute. There's a motion on the floor. >> Yeah. If there was a motion on the floor. >> See, you should have stayed. I'll second it. >> There's a motion on the floor in a second. Okay. >> All right. We have a motion on the floor to extend PSPR 253 to November 15th,
2025. We need a roll call vote. I'll start with Bruce. >> Yes. >> Jimmy, >> yes. >> Bert, >> yes. >> Myself, Tom, yes. Amy, >> yes. >> Okay, unanimous. >> Thank you.
>> Sorry. >> And I'll make him a copy. Um right now my concern is like cuz he's have to apply for border health because how I work with this it was like from front to the back can I bring if he's
already for the August second can I bring to you guys so if I bring that then it's going to be you guys prove to border health take take a look at it how >> so I think that's going to be a discussion I think we should in this
condition make sure that the Board of Health has signed off. >> Board of Health sign off first >> before they come to us. >> Yeah. I mean, that just makes sense cuz then if we have to move anything, you already got yourself situated. Uh where are you at with Border Health? I kind of
lost track of that. >> Health. We I I bring her there. >> Yeah. >> I bring I bring you there, but they they >> What u what they have to do is um >> I'm sorry. Don't worry.
>> Uh All right, I'll get you a copy. Um, >> no, with border health pretty much he needs to apply like the engineer is flying for border health. He's playing for the 50 ft or like um >> he's already have everything mark over there >> and he might have conservation and
everything involved in that too. >> What? >> That's why I was thinking conservation. >> Not Buddha health. >> Conservation. >> Conservation. >> Conservation makes more. >> Sorry. Sorry. Buddha health's okay. I already talked to Buddha health. The guy said to me the the port if I have the company clean he's you'd be fine with it.
>> So you're going in front of conservation. >> Yeah. He's like not me because the engineer >> he owns it. Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. The engineer. >> Have you determined a position with a shed or office building or the building is going to be located? >> I'm not going to be build this. It's going to be a shed. 300.
>> That's what I meant. Have you got a Have you got a location already? >> Yeah, it's in the plane. It's the same was before on the plane. >> Okay. >> I know it was moved. That's why I'm asking. >> No, no, no. I'm not going to move because if I move, I have to go all the way back. >> Are you going to talk to the historical
people about putting it there? >> If I have to. Yes. >> Anything within 300 ft. You're going to have to talk to historic. >> 300. That's I think that's less than 300. What I what I was there. Oh, this is this is not this is not many. This is me or no. Over there.
>> It's wrong. Whatever it is, >> this goes from Primary Drive all the way to >> So, it's it's wrong cuz Mont Ponet Street doesn't abide your property. >> No, >> but that's what we got, right? >> He sent this today. >> I I I I I can't tell what it is to be
honest with you. >> Well, so it says 590, but then we're on Haunted Street. >> That should be Plymouth Street. He cut and pasted on a map >> and it's not right. >> It's not right. Yeah. >> Oh, he's sending this over. >> There's the plans for Sam. I don't know what those are, but there's no plans for
539 yet. >> Oh, you mean um 590? Is that >> No, for 590. The last time you guys saw them, I think, Tom, it was just in your binder. >> Yes. >> Yeah, this is 539. >> Yeah. Well, we we're discussing I don't
know. Can you see us, Danielle? >> I can see you. I just >> So, this this map we were referring to says 590 on it. So, we're not saying I'm just saying that's what we were discussing, but it doesn't look it's not >> I don't think this is my plan.
>> It's not. >> No, >> but it does. It's not you. We're just trying to figure out what it is. >> No, >> but it says 590. >> I kind of have an email. He sent it to me the other day, but uh to me to look at it.
>> It's almost the same I have first here with you guys, but he just changed. He just put me everything the right way on it. >> Yeah. You know what I mean? Those type of things I I have in the structure. But then my concern is like uh I don't have the new one from him yet because I I
never bring that one. My concern is if I can bring to you guys is like you guys say, "Okay, we prove this but to put a to not put a house >> conservation >> dependent on conservation." You see what I'm saying?
>> I don't know if I don't know if he'd be ready. He's he's I think what he's trying to say is um if we can make it contingent on him. >> Yes. Contingention like because >> health. >> Yes. No. Conservation. >> Oh, conservation. I'm going to board health. >> I say go.
>> So, is it of the same opinion with the as we just stated with the board of health? [Music] >> Yeah. I mean, it depends on if somebody wants to make a motion to take a contingent on clearing conservation, but um >> we can't guarantee that. No, we can't.
But >> he he's going to have to do that to No, >> I think she'd get the approval from Con. >> Yeah. Only Yeah, because this is kind of funky because we're not going to, you know, >> and historical, right? >> And historical. If he's going to be within the 300 ft and we're talking
about a shed, we're not talking about >> the view. This why because if I have to move the shed, I'll move if I >> like almost one year to get approved. If I like if I'm going to have to go to let's say I have to go to store and they're going to hold me another year. What I'm going to do is I'll put the shed all the way.
>> You know what you do with them? And I'm just giving you a suggestion. Take pictures of what you're going to put in there. The shed. That's all they want to do. They want to see what it's going to look like. >> Oh yeah. I put whatever they want me to put it in. Like they they say you put a old shed in there. I'll put a old shed in there with old shingles. >> That's what I'm tell. You need to talk
to them. All they want to do is make sure it doesn't isn't some ugly thing that they don't like. >> Yeah. Who has >> on the updated plan? >> Yeah, on the updated plan. Well, you're going to have to plot it on the plan, but they're going to want to see some they're going to want to see renditions. So, they're going to want to see what it's going to look like. Even if it's
pictures of a shed someplace, if it's going to be the same shed, don't take pictures of something you're not going to put on there. >> Yes. >> But, you know, or either that or drawings. I think pictures are better. If you're buying a shed, I assume, or you're going to build one. >> Yeah. I probably build one, you know. >> Okay. Well, then you need to draw some drawings and what it's going to look
like cuz that's what they're going to want to see. What the shed's going to look like. >> But I should go to them before I come back to you guys. >> I think so. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Because if they say no because it's an historic, then we have I Danielle, do you have the contact
information for historical other than John's Barber show? >> So if you brought in your plans to Danielle, she could send them over to historical. Does that make sense? Nobody from historical ever responds. It's very hard to get in touch with them.
>> Okay, this is my thing cuz I already tried it. Nobody's get back to me. >> See, >> this why I I want to because I don't want to get too >> I have an idea, Danielle. If you get the plan in from um 590 with everything for historical, let somebody on this board
know and we'll make sure historical looks at it. >> Somebody brings it to one of them. >> Makes sense. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> but I can bring to one of them too if you guys tell me which one I have. >> It needs to go through the um building department. >> The build department. >> Yeah, it needs to go through the planning and building department.
>> You could do it, but you're not going to you're not going to find anybody. Um we we can we can get it to to the >> It's not Yeah, even if it means I have to get a haircut to see John >> and a shampoo.
>> And a shampoo. >> I could use a shave. Maybe five. >> All right. Today, >> I'm going to talk to that guy tomorrow. Uh uh who's Kyle making the plan for? >> Yep. >> I'm going to tell him to put that shed in there.
>> Yeah, you better plot it. >> It's already there. But I'm going to tell him to keep make sure he put all the measurements in there and how it's going to look >> so I can bring that to Danny. I can try to go to see John or like bring it there. >> Yeah. If you want to go see John, John's
okay with it. You know, he always says, "I'm at the barber shop all the time." Well, starting Wednesday, Wednesday through Saturday, not Monday or Tuesday. >> I might ask them for the his thing. And uh um so I'm going to because he's supposed to I kind of told him this
video is going to be on the 23. I kind of have in my head >> and he's like, "Oh, I'll be ready for the 23." But I be asking him soon as the beginning of the month. You know what I mean? He's like, "I'll be ready. I'll be ready for dinner." So, get what you can and come in when you've got something. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Let me give you a copy. >> You'll get it done. >> Hope you'll get it. >> Thank you. >> Just wait for Amy to come back and >> Are we doing minutes? >> Yeah, we've got minutes and we have um
the plan for 350A that we approved. >> Oh, we have to sign. >> We need to sign. Yeah, >> John, I don't think we ever finished that. Um, we had a motion a second, but we never >> Oh, we we never took the vote. >> I thought we did. >> Oh, no, we did. >> We did. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah.
>> I'm pretty sure. >> I forgot. No. >> Yeah. You know. >> Yeah, we did. >> Yeah. It's It's not the >> Do we have a mile? Uh, >> no. You don't have to >> doesn't need to be recorded.
>> No. [Applause] >> The letter of approval. >> Here's a copy. >> Thank you. You're very welcome. Thank you. You're very welcome. Good night, guys. Take it easy. >> Thank you. >> Do we need to just do this? >> I'm putting the extension in the meeting
minutes folder. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. Um, speaking of meeting minutes, uh, we put off signing them last time. Does anybody have any issues with any minutes that were
>> uh, I personally do not ever move over? >> Well, we can start with August 7th, 2025. If I can get a motion to approve. Actually, I think a motion to approve both of them where we're taking roll calls. >> I wasn't here in August 7th. >> Okay. In that case,
>> split them. Yeah, we're going to split a minute. Sorry, guys. >> That's all right. It's all good. >> Glad you're not. I'll make a motion to accept the uh minutes of uh August 7th, 2025 and August 21st, 2025 as presented. Or
do you want to do them separately? Yeah. >> Just uh >> August 7th. >> August 7th, 2025. >> Second. >> Okay, we have a motion and we have a second to approve the meeting minutes of August 7th, 2025. I'm going to ask for a
roll call vote. Mr. Sylvester. >> Yes. >> Mr. Walsh. >> He's not. >> Oh, you're not voting. We're going to get this together. >> Oh, I see why we're not doing them together now. Okay. >> Mr. Gar, >> yes. >> Myself, Tomas, yes. Amy TR,
>> yes. >> All right. For those present in voting, it's unanimous. I'll make a motion then to uh accept the minutes of August 21st, 2025 as presented. >> Second.
>> We have a motion and a second to approve the meeting minutes of August 21st, 2025. Again, we're going to do a roll call vote. Mr. Sylvester, >> Mr. Walsh, >> yes. >> Mr. Gainor, >> yes. >> Myself, Tom Millius, yes. Miss Troop,
>> yes. >> Okay, it's unanimous. This the left side or the right side? What are we doing on the right side? >> Yeah. You want to go first? Sure. What are you signing? >> This is
>> This is for uh industrial driving. >> Unless you want to open it for that before we sign this. Whatever you want. >> I want to talk about it first. >> Oh, okay. Before this. >> Yeah. Just just a quick second. Not that we're not going to sign it. Yeah, we've
already approved it. It's just we just didn't have it to sign. But if you want to discuss something with it, do >> Oh, show right now. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I just was wondering if we had a decision letter to look at. >> Um, did we not sign a decision letter? I
think it was just the plan we didn't have, right? >> No, we needed a decision letter to be written and >> remember we gave all the stipulations. >> That's right. We had a list of stipulations. Do we do we have that Danielle the letter?
>> Um I don't think you have a copy there. It's already gone down to the clerk's office. So >> did we sign it? >> It has a signature on it. Yeah. >> Which one is on this one? >> What signature? It needs the board signature.
>> On a decision letter. There needs to be a quorum of people on it. [Music] Right. >> Well, unless we have a vote on record that the chairman can sign for the board on, >> but we talked about the fact that the letter was going to come in front of us to be looked at.
>> I I don't recall. I'm not saying it didn't happen. >> No, I I understand. Conservation board of health. >> Um, you didn't get it. >> Yes. Yes. I I was thinking it takes me longer to think now than it
used to. I don't think well of um we can sign the plan and hold it. Um >> yeah, that's fine. But we but he's going to need to record the decision letter and it does need to have a it needs to have the plan. It's not one signature unless >> for it to be legal. I don't recall if we
ever um ever voted to uh allow the chair to sign for the board on an approval plan. I don't recall. >> We didn't. But I to go to the registry of deeds, it needs at least a quorum. >> It doesn't need to go to the registry of deeds because site plans don't need to
be reported. >> But the decision letter does. >> Not even the decision letter. >> Nope. It still needs to have seen. >> Well, we can, you know, if everybody's available, >> can you send that to our next meeting,
please, Danielle, or or something? Cuz we need to review those things before they go out. Danielle, >> yeah, we should probably take a look at it um to to verify that the stipulations were on it. Uh,
>> so can we have that um on our next agenda to have the decision letter be brought in because we need to make sure that everything that was stated. >> Yeah, that that's easy enough to do and and I mean we can either sign the plan tonight and hold it or we can hold the plan and sign it at the next meeting as
well. >> I would prefer to do it both at the same time. >> That's fine. [Applause] I think that's it. >> I'm maybe I'm missing something. If it
doesn't have to be the site plan doesn't have to be recorded and the decision later doesn't have to be recorded. >> Well, actually, I think the decision letter has to be recorded. I don't think the plan does, but I'm going to look into that >> and it still has to be signed by all of us and approved by all of us.
>> Yeah. Yeah. even >> most of us to make sure that everything that is in it and on it and it's approved by the planning board kind of like our minutes come to us for >> No, I I know what you're saying. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I wrote everything that you handed on that paper.
>> It's just processing. So, >> it's just process. >> We We should look at it. >> All right. What else do you have? >> Uh that's it for the agenda. >> Okay. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I'll second. >> Wow. >> Roll call.
>> Yes. We have to have a roll call to get out of here. I'm going to start with Miss Truth this time. >> Yes. >> Myself, Tomas. Yes. Mr. Gainer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Walsh? >> Yes. >> Mr. Sylvester? >> Yes. >> All right. We are ajourned. Thank you.
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