It appears to be 7:00, so I'm going to call to order the meeting of the Town of Halifax Planning Board. We're located at 499 Plymouth Street here in Halifax, which is Town Hall, and we're meeting in the second floor in the selectman's meeting room. Did you
>> Oh, it's there. That's my point. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. Uh, I also need to inform everybody that um this meeting is being recorded by Area 58 Community Access Television, and it will be available to view. If you haven't had
enough, you can watch it again. on YouTube. >> Did I forget anything? It's been so long since we've had a meeting. >> Okay. >> Do we know for sure if uh >> he I I saw an email that or a text that
he was coming, but um it's 7:00 and we have a quorum, so we're going to go. Um, present tonight are U Jimmy Walsh, this guy Bert Gainner, Amy Troop, and myself, Tom Nolas.
>> I'm seeing way too much of Bert lately. We're on too many things together. >> Don't judge. Do not judge. >> And there's something like that. Uh, first up tonight, we have an appointment uh concerning uh special
permit 26-1, 318 Plymouth Street, also known as the storage facility. Uh, and what we're dealing with tonight is a what has been titled a minor site plan modification to
the septic system. And I see people from 318 Plymouth Street here. Would you like to tell us what we're doing or what you're trying to do or wanting to do? >> Yes. >> Your name, sir? >> Just trying to uh Gary James. >> I am the engineer representing the
applicant, Tracy White, who's actually sitting right here behind me. I'm sure everybody recognized him. >> I just wonder who was who I was listening to. As as the chair noted, uh we are here today for a what we consider a minor site plan modification
specifically uh because of the change in the septic system. Uh just to let everybody know, the site remains pretty much as it was originally designed. In fact, you can see this is the approved plan from SEA.
This is the plan. In fact, these ones in yellow are actually in The foundations are in. The buildings are not in, but the foundations are in and they are as they were designed by SEA. So, we haven't modified the site layout. It remains exactly the same. The approach
driveway, the building locations, retaining walls on the outside, everything has remained the same. Now, the septic system originally was proposed to be located here behind building G. And if you remember right, on the
proposed grades, there was a big hump when you came over it to get through. And what we did find was we went back out and did some more test pits is now located to the right of building C. So admittedly, there is a little bit of a hump there, probably about 2 ft, but
it's a lot easier to get around. >> Okay. Where's Plum Street? >> That's the entrance up to us. >> This is the entrance. >> Thank you. >> So the entrance has remained the same. Now, what we also found as we were constructing this was that some reason I
we can't figure out why, but the site grades didn't seem to didn't seem to make an awful lot of sense. So, essentially, we have adjusted the grades across the entirety of the site. Buildings A through D would drop a foot.
E through G would drop 1 and 3/4T. Building H would drop 3 ft. pump. So, it's actually just a one, two, three. Now, when we did this originally, you'll see the drainage stayed exactly
the same. We never moved a single structure. Everything remained the same. So, the inverts of the main lines coming down through the site are exactly as was designed by um SEA.
So, nothing's changed on that issue at all. Now the other change that has occurred is that when we got the architecturals in from the building designers that's peak roof
sea had designed the storm water based on a uh shed roof. >> Shed roof. >> Yeah. So the backsides of building A and building E, we will now collect the roof leaders. We'll direct them back into the system
or we will provide another system behind building A that meets storm water requirements. And we've also provided pedestrian access to the backside of these two buildings A and B. Other than that, everything else will
remain exactly the same as what the original design was. The first question that comes to mind is you've gone to board of health. You're all squared away with that. >> Yes, we're all squid. >> Understanding that that was true.
>> Secondly, has our review engineer >> I believe Pat has been there and I believe Pat gave us something, but I think something's >> not on this. Yeah, >> I got an email like that. >> I saw one. I just don't
>> It's for >> No, it's for 318. >> 318. >> Oh, >> the email that one get Tom. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think we only have one page of it. We're on the same page.
inspections. Yeah, we don't have a complete thinking. >> I thought Daniel read one to me. >> Yeah, I I know. I read one too that said he'd been out there and he didn't have he was >> might be able to find
>> has we have been in constant contact with Pat throughout this entire process. >> Yes. at that time he did say he's been there at least several times to inspect the area >> and I understood that he signed off on it. That's that's what was read to me. >> Yeah. I I even had spoken to him and he
mentioned to me that he was fine with the changes. >> I'd like to have in front of me but I don't. The only other thing that has been changed and and I'll note this is that the fire hydrants were located where we
located as requested by the chief right there. Now the first one remained the same right here. Second one is now here. Third one is now here. And the reason it's here is because the fire the uh sprinkle
connection and building H which is going to be sprinkled right there. And fire wanted it to be that close. That's the twotory building. >> That's the two-story building. Yes. >> Personally, I like the idea that the buildings were a little more. They won't be quite as >> long.
>> Yeah. 3 ft. >> Well, the big thing, too, was that the wall height came down. Originally, the wall height was going to be about 8 to 9 ft tall. Now, it's down to four or 5 ft. >> Not only that, but then the return back along this property line along the Algus
Passa, nowhere near. In fact, it stopped right there at the corner. And whereas originally it was going to go all the way to the property line in order to meet the grades. So uh it >> So yeah, you don't have to grade it out. >> No, we don't have to grade it out. And uh >> are you opening us up to questions from
the board? >> I'm going as soon as I think >> I'm I'm all done. >> I'm going to hand it back to the chair. >> We will open it up for questions. >> How does the uh the the roof design, the new roof design affect the uh water
runoff? As far as >> the only thing that the only thing that really changed was the backside of buildings A and E, >> if you remember, >> how does it affect the buildings out of A&E? >> Uh A and E and what was happening before
if we had m if we had maintained our compliance with the original SCA design, they would have flowed off without any treatment. In other words, there was no there was no plans at all to be able to collect that runoff and direct it back through the storm water features.
>> And and what is the actual the actual change to the new septic? Bigger, deeper? >> No, it's pretty much the same. >> Yeah. Didn't have to. It didn't have to change and Mr. Brennan was happy with that or >> uh Mr. Brennan pretty much passed that off to the board of health.
>> All right. But what it did do was it allowed us the ability to utilize the backside of building G in accordance with the architectural plans. These are all >> utilize it in what way? >> And that now you have access to the back side of building G and even building E.
So you now have access on either pedestrian or vehicle access to the back side of every one of the buildings. >> Okay. >> Which was the intent of the architectural design. Did you run the the changes and were there any comments, corrections, or deletions from the building inspector?
>> Uh, we haven't heard anything yet from anything. >> Mike, any any concerns? >> No. No concerns. >> Any questions? >> No, not N. >> I know the I I've looked at and I think it's a great idea to lower it down,
bring the site down. It's it's a it's a win-win. >> It's always better, >> you know. Um, I I've been in there for all the foundations. >> When I when I uh checked this afternoon with Danielle, I understood that the uh the board of health signed off on it.
The uh >> I think the only one that was actually missing, I think, was Steve Haywood. And I don't know why Steve Haywood would would need an opinion on it, you know, other than, >> you know, nothing none of the streets access or what everything is is really changed. He didn't change the drains and
as long as it didn't doesn't affect the runoff in terms of his concern is anything's running off to the street. >> Yeah, nothing chang. >> I do have hard copies if you want to look cuz I do have some photographs in the uh in the plans. >> I'll leave them.
>> So, does Danielle have a a new set of plans? >> They have the same ones that Daniel have. These are the across the same properties. I read your bio said you wanted nine hot properties and I made them for 14 and you now take it electronically. But you
can see you can see too that the storm water features evolved inside evolved in trucker today. You see on G4 on which one? Sheet four. sheet four is is the photographs
associated with the uh the retention point for that. So you can see that we've come we've come a long ways in terms of overall construction. In fact, I think we're June, July, we're anticipating we'll be
in and be operating looking for a COC from the building department >> even after we get another 30 in of snow. >> I hope not. >> You had to say the S word, didn't you? >> How did that work out for snow
placement? >> We just left. We after the snow, we didn't go back. >> Yeah. I was going to see if you were up and operating how you're going to deal with that snow. >> It's going to have to get hauled away. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There's no place to put it. >> That's why I'm bringing it up. I didn't
I didn't see any place really that was going to be a good spot. Minor snow maybe, but that kind of >> Well, I think we're kind of hoping this is a once in a decade. >> Really? That's >> Yeah. 2015. As my daughter mentioned to me says the
main reason about this snowstorm. I said I don't have to hear from anymore about the 70. I I still know, you know, it almost said I'm all done. I don't have any other questions. >> Anyone else on the board have a question?
I'd like to know how we got from the spike sand modification to lower. It might be great, but I'd like to know how we got to the approval of lowering it because we haven't had that in front
of us to lower all of that. So I So when you say there's only been a few changes, I count more. So I want to like I think that the modification of the plan is quite it's the elevations, it's the
septic system, it's the hydrants and it all might be benign but I think that should have >> still a substantial change >> and it should have been put forth before done is my thought process. >> Well the only thing I will tell you is that we have kept everybody we have kept
your inspector appraised. He's been aware of the changes that we have made and I believe I was I believe he he let the chair know also and in fact when we were back >> after the fact >> after the fact that there go why we asked you to come in for a site
modification I just want to clear that up that's why we're here >> but if you remember right even at the last meeting when we talked about the uh the issue associated with what was the correct date of the plans Yeah, the board is aware of the fact
that we had modified the proposed to modify the >> but it should come in as a site plan modification before it is actually done that way and before so that we can all approve it. that's how it should be done because now it's sort of here and it's
just this is what we have and I'm it might be great but it's not correct process in my humble opinion because we have a board of five members and there's not one of us who can make a decision for that board especially out of the
public session >> if you're sinuating a decision >> okay I just want the reason we're here is because it came to light is that it should have happened before. >> I totally agree. They should have been
included prior to actually changing any of the elevations. Absolutely. >> Well, understand this that the the changes in the septic were just we just did that. >> But that's not the whole thing. >> No, I agree. It's not the whole thing. But
I mean honestly we felt that it was it was such a minor change in in that >> because the storm water didn't change >> because the storm water remained the same. The layout remained the same. Pavement remained every everything remained the same >> regardless. You should have included the
building inspector had a comment. And one of those fields that you did change is the fire ex fire uh hydrants and the fire chief would trump any card, >> right? >> So the moment he came in and said this is not on the right layout, he has all
the right to change that. >> Yeah. >> And so it is the other two. It's not that >> it's got to do with so I I I don't think anything's really totally being directed at the hydrants specifically. No, but >> in general, just the fact that there
were changes made on the site that we didn't get involved with. >> It's the listing of them >> because it it starts out that you're stating that there's only a septic system change and now we're at how many feet each is this. And then the
buildings now have um peaks on them instead of shed roofs. And now this has changed and that has changed. And it's just the septic like >> No, it's not. We we listed all the modifications, >> right? But I'm saying if you look at the original listed, we listed all
it's the process that is in question. >> Yes. >> We're going to hold anybody else's fire coming in with modifications. >> This is a big project and there's a lot of things that go along with it. And part of that is the the drainage and the
easement and how that's going to be affected. And so I think that it really should be strongly put in front of that and we should see how that drainage is all working out right now. Um these pictures are from >> before we've had any snow in January. We
had multiple feet in January. We had um a record storm that yes beat the blizzard of 78. Um so we should check how that site looks now. We should have our engineer out there looking at how the basins look now. we should wonder
about how that snow is going to melt into it. And yes, maybe we should also add a snow removal plan to the um conditions as well since we have that on other places in town
on that. I don't have a problem with having Pat Bernie go back out here specifically and give us something specific to your site >> with and addressing each individual change. >> I don't recall the sign off date by Mr.
Brennan the last inspection that he was out there other than the statement did say he's been out there several times, you know, which is certainly sounds like and he's the type of person that's right on top. I do believe he's right on top of them. >> And the water department has been right
on top of the water line uh the water line installation. I mean, they've been there every step of the way. So, they've been inspecting. Pat's been inspecting. In fact, I've been sending Pat photographs of all of these as they go in. >> Right. >> Pat commented he was okay with the
septic change, but I don't know that he specifically addressed the the other changes. >> He he did in this email. He said the uh I have no issues with the minor design changes which are mainly changes to the finished grades and the location of the proposed septic system. Gary has been in
contact with me throughout the construction. I have been on site several times to inspect the drainage insulation. Everything looks good to date. >> Yeah, I think that's what Daniel can't find. So >> So he he checked the the grading and the
septic to my that's what I read. Are you suggesting you'd like him to take another look while we're in a drainage situation? >> I don't have a particular problem with asking him to do that. >> I think it's extremely important.
>> Well, good. >> Now would be a good time to review and take a look and see what we've got there. >> Michael, do you have any idea when the last time uh Mr. Brown was out there? >> Oh boy. >> No, he wouldn't. You know what I mean? Like recently or within the last
>> We haven't worked there for close to 2 months. >> Yeah. That that site's been shut down. This >> I was going to say you haven't done >> there's not going to be there's not going to be any accurate drainage to look at because you don't have pavement. You don't you have piles of dirt. Yeah. >> You know, open foundations,
you can't look at onsite drainage. Yeah. You can go look at the structures that are sticking out of the ground. I'm just saying what the realization of that site is. It's not it's not pain with uh you know
>> look you'd get more information from looking at the design as opposed to physically going out there >> right now. >> Yeah. >> I mean it's it's puddles and ice. >> Well, we can make sure that any of the puddles and ice that are leaving the property are leaving the property
correctly before we do concrete. Well, I think the building inspector's point is that the finished grades aren't in and the annotating isn't in yet. So, isn't necessarily indicative of what we're going to get. >> Maybe not, but >> I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I think that's
>> Well, that's where I'm trying to go cuz you don't even have your base down for your for your you know, >> they were still digging in the road when I was there, but before all the snow came, they were still doing the the mains right out front. So,
um, >> I think it's a good idea to to have a an inspection done, of course, you know, when the pavement went on in, but I I agree with the building inspector. What What are you really going to look at except snow? You know, everything's frozen, so you're not going to see water
running off. >> Pat, Pat, and that >> and Pat made mention of it yet. >> I think he talked in general terms. He didn't specifically address each line, is >> No. No, you just said which are the mainly changes to the finished grade and location of this post septic.
>> I still think that a a site visit is really something that will double check everything, make sure that where we are right now because after it's all after it's all paved and all the buildings are in, what are we going to do then? So, we're just going to like
push it off and then have >> this is for everybody's best interest. And I understand what you're saying, Mr. Building Commissioner. However, it should have come in front of us before this point. >> I'm not saying it shouldn't have, but I'm also saying that that engineer is going to be there for the next several
months making reports the next several months watching that storm drain. It's watching that monarch. >> That's all I'm saying to have them go out now. I'd rather have them go out in the when it's actually >> working. They're working. >> I think both.
>> I'm sorry. >> I think both. I I think it's really no different at this point than when we propose a project and the engineers looking at it. He's making assumptions. He's doing his calculations. I mean, that's really what we're asking him to
do. I'd like to I'd be happy with a communication from him addressing each individual modification and addressing that and saying that he's done the calculations or whatever it is he needs to do >> and based on that determine whether another inspection can be done.
Yeah. >> Oh, I think that >> I don't think he's going to see I'm not trying to be combative. I don't think he's going to see anything that's going to help us >> at this point. >> The site's not or anything. >> There was one little roadway kind of in the case was emergency access to get
forms out, but there's still this one. >> Yeah. Well, that sir, could you just give your name for the record, please? >> My name. Yes. >> I'm Tracy White. I'm the project. >> I just want >> Thank you. Well, unless anybody else has a a
comment. I I don't know how does the board feel when we want. >> I'm okay with him uh giving us a letter of each bullet point and then we'll take it from there. Maybe a site site. It sounds like he's out there quite often when they were working. So, um
check the drainage in April. Maybe >> once it kind of up a little bit. I could I I could if a motion was made I could second that that it would you know the specific uh calculations they came up with with the changes would be great and
then uh to prepare for another inspection when you open up and >> the next three weeks or so if all goes well get a little more rain and some warm weather we're hoping three weeks a month we should be back out there but it doesn't make any sense it's not working in that much snow and trying to figure
out what to do it just makes a mess. Well, it's been crazy weather. You're getting 50 degrees one day and 10 the next. >> 60 next week. >> Yeah. 60. >> Well, the other good thing is, and I'll I'll tell you, there's there's still a couple of structures that are going to
go in. A little bit of piping that's going to go in. I believe uh this these this uh structure is not in and that structure is not in that. So, there's still there's still structures to come in and make inspection on. So,
but those those aren't there's still stockpile sitting there. >> But again, you're still talking a month. >> At least a month. >> Yeah. >> Wow. What about public comment? >> Yeah, I I I started with that if I don't see any other comments.
>> Brad White, 407 South Street. No relation to Tracy. >> Um the yellow buildings, the ones you've already got the foundations in. Is that correct? >> That's correct. Okay. So, the two the three to the bottom of the plan would be E and what?
>> I'm sorry. Which which one are you talking? This this one. >> The three yellows at the bottom of the plan. >> These A through D, E through G and H. >> E through G and H. Yeah. See from A down to E through G and H, you're dropping
basically one foot on each building. We dropped Yeah, we dropped the slab elevations on on these four a foot. These ones almost 2 ft. A little less than 2 ft. >> And 3 ft from the bottom. >> And 3 ft on. And >> those are already installed. >> Yes. >> And did you come to the plate? >> No, the slabs aren't in it. Just the
walls. >> The walls are okay. So the walls of the slab gray. >> Yeah. >> Did you come to the planning board before you did that? >> No. No. >> No. I think that's what the young lady's getting to. And what you got to understand is >> you took this whole plan over from sea
>> but this whole four 314 16 18 has been a mess since day one. Their work started what? Correct me anybody here if I'm wrong. The work there started. We're pushing three three years ago two and a half. Am I right or wrong? >> You talking about the physical work?
>> The the physical work started at 3:14 16/18. It was all opened at the same time. >> Yeah. But we we've only been here since >> 16 Hold on. 16 and 18 share a driveway together. >> Okay. They've got to understand that all the problems have grown and that's why
people are watching things. The algae are getting all the runoff. Amy had a point of going and making changes without coming in front of the board. And now you walk in here and say this is what we did. This is what we're going to do. Oh, slap my hand. I'm asking for forgiveness. That's what
they've been doing at Starbucks, the other place. That's what they're getting at is you just can't come in here and walk all over us. They're not saying it's not a good idea. Your building inspector said it was a win-win. He thinks it's a great idea, but you need to ask for permission first. I think that's what the board's
getting at. >> Agree or disagree? >> That's why we're here. >> Yeah. >> I'm asking the engineer, does she agree or disagree? >> Well, no. I >> You're a little late. a little late. But I I I disagree only in that >> to me as long as the layout remained
pretty much the same. >> But it didn't. >> It did. >> The layout of the building was laid >> the layout of the buildings. >> The layout of the buildings and the pavement. >> Okay. So if I go in front of your house and I build a BM all the way around your house and tell you it's not your property, >> but everything stayed the same except for I changed the elevation and now
you're going to get flooded out and that's okay. >> No, but it's not going to impact you like that. And that was the thing that we made sure of. And in fact, by doing the 3-foot, by dropping it down, we've actually lowered the overall potential impacts associated with the putters.
>> Can I say something? So, just in hindsight, right, I want to mention something to you. All of everything that went on right here had nothing to do with us. Correct. >> We didn't have anything. We had Well, that's okay. That's not us. >> Nothing to do with that, right? And even
all of our runoff doesn't go this way. Doesn't go to algaes. doesn't go down here. This is all of theirs. So all that you're talking about here has nothing to do with >> No, we understand that. >> Okay. What I'm saying is what they have done out front made a mockery, a total
total mess. Okay. >> And then this gentleman comes in here and says, "We're not really making any changes except the second system and then pops up with all these changes that are being made and then says to me that it's not really a change. The layout's the same. You change the elevation by 3 feet in a matter of give you what 200
200 feet. You drop 3 ft. That's a major change. >> 600 ft. >> 600. >> 6. Okay. 600. >> 600. >> I'm sorry. I'm going by off eyeball here. You guys have seen the plans many of times. >> Yeah. It's a 40 scale. 600 ft across the side. >> So 3 ft. I think an engineer should do
the calculations on that. >> That's a half. >> You got water on asphalt. >> Okay. You got water on asphalt, not on dirt. We know under dirt it slows down on asphalt. Times 100. >> Sir. >> Okay. So I think yes. another independent engineer, the town's engineer to do the calculations. If he
doesn't off the set of plans, >> fine. >> I mean, these poor people here have been buried in water for how long? I mean, this goes back to starting with O'Reilly's going in. Well, they put that in in water, >> sir. You know, and I'll repeat what
Tracy said. All of the runoff coming from our site, every bit of it bypasses the algaes all together and makes it down to the other site. Everything is going to go to the end. Everything continues to flow to the end. Nothing has changed in terms of that. You know,
that was one of the things that was one of the things we made sure of. >> I I want to make sure of it because that's my job. Yeah, that was one of the things we made sure of that in fact that every bit of runoff coming off of the impervious surfaces associated with this site was going to continue to flow in
the direction of the attempt of the original design and that's exactly what we've done. >> Well, then you won't mind if we have it looked at >> said a point point Tracy that whole drainage easement has a lot to do with you because that's on your lot.
>> But we didn't build this is what I'm saying. If there's issues with it, like he's mentioning, >> we didn't build it, >> but it's on your lot. >> It may be on my lot, but we didn't build it. How it was built. >> If that doesn't work correctly, it will affect you. >> So, it should be >> once again, I think that puts us back.
>> Mr. You run on on Robert's rules of order. You direct your questions if you don't mind me saying to the chair and the chair will back and forth banter doesn't work. >> Thank you. I I believe that's why we're talking about sending it to our review
engineer and have him address it per point and do the calculations and all the backup and all the review that we need before we make any kind of decision. You know, I agree with you and we tried to admonish them for not having come to the board first.
the septic system aside, the rest of the elevations should have been brought to the board. And and then that's what we try to say and that's why we're here for a site plan modification because we brought it up that there was changes being made and we have not had a chance to review it andor had an application
for site plan modification. So, I I believe what we're about to do, we're going to listen for any other comments, is to send it to our engineer and have him review it per point to see how that works and what his recommendation is.
Regardless of the cursory letter that, you know, he reviewed the septic and all that. I'm not so concerned about the septic as I am, the elevations for the runoff. I I I believe that it's probably better, but I'm not an engineer, so I want the engineer to look at it.
>> Mr. Chair, I got one question. I'm relatively new to this board. Can you just show me where your water is going, if you don't mind, real quick, just in a in a snapshot >> go to the cover sheet? I didn't I didn't post it. You want >> Did you go to the cover sheet?
Everything comes here >> to here. >> To here. Yeah. There's your banger discharged. >> Yep. >> In other words, when you look at the storm water, everything is connected connected connected to this outfall and discharges to that to the sediment for bay goes to a through a detention basin
into an infiltration basin and then discharges out to the back >> ultimately at this country. >> The country club. Yeah. Yeah. And actually there's a there's a pond there's two ponds on the country club >> that are interconnected with a with a small ditch and it was unfortunate but
SCA did not show you that ditch. It does exist and what it does do is it's going to flow into that ditch which then will go to the left pond but once it exceeds the capacity of the left pond it crosses the I think that's a second
fairway flow into that one here. has an closer to the pond behind the clubhouse. >> So ultimately this is this is irrigation water, >> right? >> Uh for for the golf course. >> I think those were the the ditch you was
talking about. You and I went out there trapesing through the woods and the eldest property there. A lot of fun. >> Yeah, that's Yeah. So ultimately uh this ends up being uh pretty much all the runoff ends up going to the golf
>> the golf course. Yeah. >> Hand up in the back. >> Chris 129 Circuit Street to add to what the other resident said in the future. What is the enforcement and like responsibilities when these things keep happening? Because as the town grows we're seeing bigger and
bigger projects and this isn't the first time in other projects. You know, I've seen many meetings at the very beginning a project comes in made very clear no changes, any changes otherwise. But these bigger projects seem to like sometimes just come in, do what they want to do, and we fix it after the
fact. But and what uh uh Amy was referring to when she said the substantial changes, yes, they do. They have to come in front of the board if there's a substantial change. It it's not a blanket any change
at all. But uh it was it was um you know Tom had thought and we spoken with the building inspector and determined if this is a substantial change. Yes, it was definitely come to the board. Was it was it a problem
>> after the fact? It's like >> I know there's certain criteria things in in in our bylaws that uh yeah penalties can be given for on a per day per violation basis. But uh >> cuz I just think in these bigger
projects in the very when it first comes in more residents come you know we go all back and forth people put their comments we make changes to try to make everyone's concerns and people leave there thinking okay this is going how it it is and later on they just kind of
change things and we come and do a modification after the fact. Well, the only thing I could say is I don't think we we have an engineer and a building inspector that have to sit on every project and watch it from through its completion to be able to catch everything. Uh but I think uh you know
what what has happened and should not have happened. I agree with Amy that it should have come uh before the board. Uh I >> I I think what you're asking is what is the punishment? I think we know projects the town's growing and things like this happen after the fact that there should
be something otherwise you can just >> do what you want kind of >> well fix it at the end enforcement of something like that is probably the hardest thing of all. Uh what do you do I >> checklist >> I'm sorry
>> checklist right up front give them what the criteria is right up front. Well, they they you know, >> it's a site plan. >> They're told any change to this planification. Yeah. >> I I believe the question was what do you
do after the fact? How are they held responsible? What do you do to them? That's a >> How does the town correct it? Yes. >> Yeah, >> I could answer that a little bit. >> So, to preempt that, >> you will start off with a checklist right up front when they ask permission the first time around. This is what
needs to be done. Same as when you apply for a building permit, before it's given out, they have to pass storm water management, everything. Everything's going to be signed off before they can get their building permit. >> Yep. >> Right. You get you you people sign off
on a a set of plans. They have to be approved plans and signed off by you. Correct. >> Yep. And they're told that if there's any changes to these plans, you need to bring them to the planning board. I think the question was, what do you do if it happens? And I'm thinking like you
said, I'd not disagree in this in this case it might be to the benefit, but like the next project if this happens and it isn't to the benefit and then it's after the fact. >> I I know where you're going with but you know you I think your question was how how do you
>> I'm using the word punishment because it sort of says what I think you're saying. What what what do they what are the consequences >> if it's not an acceptable plan? You don't sign off on it until it's in fact brought into compliance and nobody can
actually use it. >> There's no occupancy permit. >> Yeah. >> You have to be reasonable in some of this stuff because you end up just going into litigation if you're not careful. But >> so part of the consequence of this is
now that the the board has decided to have a secondary engineer. Guess who's paying the bill to have that secondary engineer do all this work? These guys are. So, that is part of their consequences. And if they had to come up forward, it may not have been.
But, um, to answer your question, it's not a zoning violation. It's not a $300 a day >> uh fee for it. It's not a building permit violation. It's not a $300 day. >> It's not a building permit violation. I mean, it's not going by the
>> planning board. No, but but I mean currently like it's not being built as the plan. So maybe it should have been a stop work order come back to the planning board a lot sooner. But you weren't here when this started. >> No. And I'm sorry. I
>> But those foundations are exactly where they're supposed to be. >> But that's not on the same grade. >> That look at there's no grade. There's no floor in them. >> Yeah. >> So there is no grade set at this point. >> The foot the wall is in. The floor is
not set. That's why they're here. >> That's fine. But >> so it's not it's a box, >> open bottom box. >> I want the engineering to also check off on whether or not this storm water
manage this drainage system that is on your property and this is, you know, I don't know who pays for that. Maybe it's um Starbucks, but somebody should make sure that's right because if that's not >> Which one are you talking about? Which one are you talking? >> This one that you said that you're not
responsible for. This circle up here that's >> the one we didn't build. >> Yes. Okay. >> Do you understand what I'm saying though? That should be checked. And all >> I think Pat's been doing that, >> right? But everything should be double checked and crossnumbered back and forth
to make sure that maybe like I I don't know because I'm not an engineer, but I'm just let me be devil's advocate for a second. If this is higher by a certain amount of foot feet, right, and it caused a quicker water drop and now we
have a problem on your site just because of the fact that this like somehow is not calculated to the heights from this one down to you just to watch out for you. Does that make sense to you? Because like if this was all of a sudden
sending off drainage because it was a little bit lower on your site and caused an issue, it could happen. But I'm just saying you should check it now. >> I understand what you're saying. Um but just to reiterate that a little bit, our pavement elevation will stay exactly the same it was on day one.
>> Doesn't change. >> Okay. >> Our drainage doesn't change. Our flow doesn't change. Where it's going didn't change. Our parking elevation didn't change. Our pavement will remain exactly the same. But but the whole entire >> we're not going to create water going somewhere else in a rush because we changed something.
>> We didn't change any elevation the exact same height. They were the structures are the same height. >> We started talking. Okay, that's great. I just want it all to be tease crossed. >> Oh yeah. No, but I was just explaining to you that none of our elevations on
the actual property as far as pavement have changed at all or drainage. They also don't get signed off by the planning board until the review engineer goes out and does this final plan. >> Okay. >> So, you know, there's still layers of inspection here. It isn't like this is it and never see,
>> right? But we have to get the plan right first. >> Well, yeah. Yeah. But >> maybe I guess as soon as we had wind of this change, it should have come in front of the planning board then for the site. >> Go. That's why they're here, >> right? But months ago when we first heard about it, it should have been here
right then. I didn't hear about any I I just heard about the septic change recently >> when he was there in October. >> I don't remember him saying that. >> No, I did not cuz we we had the the septic change didn't come till almost the end of November. >> But you weren't talking about elevations either talking about the
>> you stated just a few minutes ago, somebody else might remember in this room that when you were here there were changes to it then that you stated in front of this board. So that was October of 2025. Yes, we had informed them. >> That's what I'm talking about.
>> Informed who, >> you know, us >> is that the board >> members of the board were aware of the fact that that >> that's when it should have been in. >> Yeah. >> Or that you would join >> that we were going to. >> Yes. But but >> that's when you wasn't after the fact. >> No, it wasn't after the fact.
>> But that's when you should have come in with the modification. >> Would you like a motion? >> Yes. >> If you'd like to close it. I'll uh unless Amy you want to make I'll make a motion then that the uh >> the uh Pat Brennan uh be requested to uh
review the uh site points to double check them and and the report back to the uh to the board >> for each specific >> for each specific point and that a uh a scheduled inspection would be made in >> weather
>> April or May or whatever it was or or just be notif That one would be required from the board. >> Can I make an amendment to that? That as soon as they're going out there to start work, that's when Pat Brennan should show up on so he can coordinate when you're going to go out there for the
first day of work, Pat Brennan goes out on that day. >> That's why does that make sense? >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. We get with you on the chain, >> right? But in coordination with 314 because of the fact Well, I'm sorry. the
drainage for 314 that sits on 318's lot to make sure that it all goes, it might very well, but I believe in just looking at the full alphabet of this. So, looking at this and how that'll affect it. And my only question before we move forward with a second or anything like
that or an approve of amendments, whatever you want to say, is you know when we get a storm water book that this that's this big >> in regards to >> all of this >> does that I think we have a significant change where that would need to be done
where it would show us but I want that to be specifically asked by Pat Brennan. >> Are you talking about changing the narrative or doing the narative? It would just be a narrative change. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean?
>> From soup to nuts. I want to know. >> Um, >> you know, and I think that's part of why we I personally felt that this was a minor minor change because the calculations as they reflected the site even as it was modified did not still
remain in effect. In other words, in other words, the modification does not impact the results of the original calculations. So that report remains exactly the same. >> It's still a change. >> It's still a change that should have come in to be modified, >> right? And here we are. So this is good.
>> So do we need to do a clear that motion convoluted? >> Well, uh you the motion in its was was basically to uh send a letter
off requesting from the town engineer, Mr. Brennan, that he uh review the the changes of each individual >> change point and uh that uh and and report back to include uh
the drainage uh from that would be reflected from the entrance way down through the property. So that no additional elevation changes would affect any of the drainage problems that may or may not occur. >> And a site visit
>> and a site visit to be scheduled when work commences again. >> Sure. >> And the book to make sure that we don't if is that included. >> Well, I think if we get that from him, then we can decide whether we need the book. >> We might as well ask about it right now. So >> Well, that would be my motion.
>> Well, he didn't do the book. >> No, but it But if we need one is what I'm saying. >> You don't want him to do any any chang? >> No, no, no. I'm not asking him to do the changes. But if I town needs >> Oh, okay. >> Let's get his calculations and then we
can take it from there if that's if that's required. >> Yeah. Asking what further action >> I would second that if we add if you would give us the advice on if that book would need to be updated in any way, shape >> to review the ST storm water management
plan. Yeah. >> Amen. >> Okay. >> Any Yeah. Any changes to the storm water? >> Any changes to the storm water plan? >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Did you get all that, Danielle? >> Second. >> Thank you. >> You got me.
>> Well, there's a there's a motion on the board. There's a motion on the floor. >> Second. >> So, now discussion. >> Well, we can just can't we discuss while it's in second. While we've got a motion and second that we approve voting or
>> you going to ask >> I'm going to ask for a roll call vote. Mr. Walsh. >> Yes. >> Mr. G. >> Who are you again? >> Uh I vote yes. >> Mr. True. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mill. Yes. Okay. Unanimous.
So when we get the report back scheduling in again and we'll just take whatever action we need to take at that point. I >> thank you for your view. >> One other thing I can do for you is I don't have been getting copies of my uh script report.
>> Your what? >> SWPP, >> which are you get bi-weekly inspections? >> If you want, I'll send them off to Danielle also. >> I'll CC Daniel. >> I think that's a good idea. >> You want Yeah, >> I I want them.
>> He should get I I I did because there was nothing in there that said who to send them to. So, I've been sending them off as cash. >> Yeah. Well, they'll go across they'll go across the hall, but just get them to to build them. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> All right. >> That seems
>> I can CC you everything. I've already I think we probably have about 20 maybe 18 or 20 inspection reports. Yeah, I'll get you all >> any repairs. >> Yep. >> Okay, that's that's what we want to see. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Probably should have been getting them all along anyway.
>> Well, probably had no place to send them. >> Yeah. Exactly. Well, you know, we we now have a good stable building department, which is really to everybody's benefit and and that's, you know, kudos to Mike over there cuz he's >> and Daniel
>> and Daniel, all the always Daniel. Daniel's been through quite a few people in the past year or so. I'm sorry, Mrs. Al. >> Yes. Is it possible that I get a copy of that those new changes? >> Yes, sure. Can I >> have a copy?
>> Good. There's extra ones there. >> Yep. >> Yeah, I I I actually have one at home. So, uh >> Okay, so moving on. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, guys. >> Here's another fun project.
>> 14th Street runs. You guys run this report for the Well, for lack of a better descriptive word of the Starbucks project. Um, one one question I I wanted to ask before
you everybody left. Um, where are we at with the road, the main road that's controlled with the lighting? You guys are picking it up partway up. >> Who Who's doing the entrance portion of that?
>> I believe it's leaders. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. All right. I just wanted to be sure who we were talking about for what. >> And where does your responsibility start after Starbucks? >> Um about um
70 60 or 70 ft after they have left turn into Starbucks. Furthermore, >> almost by the hydrant >> by the hydrant. Yeah. >> Okay. >> They handle the storm water right from that one that last manhole
>> on the right to the discharge. >> I will get you an as built on that. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Before um before we move on from that um subject, I wanted to ask you, do you have the actual document that we had happened
from February of or was it March of 2025 for the agreement of that road and this the storm water management? You don't have a copy of that. >> So, do you guys know that there's an actual uh copy? Do you have it
>> between leaders, you're saying? and >> us. >> Um, >> so the agreement we have, wasn't that between wasn't that between RJC and >> RJC? >> Yeah, I was going to say they >> but it would transfer over as like cuz
you're going to want to know how that's being built for your best interest, right? >> Because that was only done because they started before you did. >> Correct. >> So that I'm just thinking that you might have some interest in knowing how that >> Oh, we're watching it closely. Okay. >> Yeah.
>> So, um that agreement, do we have that in our file? >> I don't remember. We may >> actually. >> You've never seen a copy of that agreement? >> No, but I can probably find one. >> I can We can get you. We have a copy of it. We can get you.
>> That would be awesome. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Or at least send it to Mike. >> Yeah, we'll send it to everybody >> because that was a stalling point at one point to hope for the whole project. They had to get that financial thing squared away. I don't know if your what your recollection is of >> because it's their main entrance,
>> right? >> And they and they started construction ahead of time. We halted it because they weren't going to have an entrance. They are only supposed to go right out of there. >> They had to get an easement. And in
order to get the easement, they had to also work out who was building the road up past their entrance. And then there was some financial arrangements involved between you guys took a look. >> Somehow the easement was agreed upon during the site plan and special
approval for the Starbucks drive-thru. >> Um, >> again, >> I know we have copies of that cuz we were insistent about getting copies of those. >> We can get you copies, but that hasn't that roadway hasn't been finished. They paved up to their entrance. >> The rest of the road they haven't finished.
>> That's their responsibility. They have not finished that. >> I don't know if they intend on it or if they're going to try to walk. I don't have any idea, but they haven't. >> How many feet are you talking? 20 30 >> 100 ft of road. >> I would find out if it's a little bit more than that, but maybe. >> Um, but yeah, they when they paved, they
paved through that corner and stopped back. So, I don't know what to do. >> Yeah. Might want to look at that. >> Yeah. Maybe is the hydron this. >> Yeah, take my word for we'll we'll be looking at that before, >> you know. Yes. Were they saying it goes
about 20 ft after or hydrant? Is there an actual hydrant on that road noted or No, it might. >> Yeah, they >> That's what they talked about. >> Somewhere right in here. >> Is it marked? >> It's uh
>> see that manhole right? There's a manhole right there. It goes right to the high point right there. >> So that's where the road is too. >> Yeah. That's their responsibility. >> Yeah. They stopped here and took a left. They didn't finish this, >> which they're supposed to, >> right? Cuz that wall So what happens is
because there's a catch basin there, it has to be paved or that's where the water's going to go into here. >> So they supposed to finish that road, but >> they they stop here instead of here. >> Okay. So the catch bas just right here and all
>> they had raised about it. >> Oh no I yes I get it even you know we haven't had any communicating with them at all. >> Okay that's good >> and >> good to have >> Pat and I have been watching >> you guys want to hang around
>> the basin. No, I don't I don't >> with you. >> Thank you. Have a good night. >> Thanks, guys. >> I'm sorry. 314 leaders, >> I believe. >> Are they on?
>> Yeah. >> Yep. We're here, right? >> Oh, right. Florida. >> Florida. Yeah. >> Um, there were a few things we've already started talking about tonight that >> your name, sir. Darren Walde, 200 East Palm Valley Drive. Um, a couple things we've already started talking about
tonight that I kind of had on my tip list to to go over with you guys. One we were just talking about is the road. My understanding with that is we're waiting on a bonding number from you guys to figure out the exact amount. >> Nope. >> Is that not the case?
>> No. The only thing we ever discussed about bonding was the traffic signaling because the mass and arms were in limited supply. That's the only discussion we ever had about any bonding. >> Okay. And is that Have we finalized a number for that bonding? >> Nope. >> Nope.
>> Okay. >> One of the issues >> we're waiting for an estimate or something. >> Yeah. One of the issues is that anything we do, we have to bond at prevailing wage, which is different than whatever numbers you folks may or may not be paying for this. we don't get the uh
privilege of uh you know looking for the lowest bidder without the prevailing wage. So we're kind of stuck with that. So until we get some hard numbers and we're going to have to figure out get an estimate for what the prevailing wage would add to that plus whatever factor
we want to add into that for you know >> and I think we're still waiting for numbers or >> are you waiting for something from us or from other people in order to finalize that? >> Well, we were looking for a final number and the other part of that was that this has gone on so long. We were looking
maybe to get some kind of an update if you have any idea if that equipment's coming anytime soon or not >> because we understood it was very backorded is how it was explained to us. >> My understanding is mid to late April. >> I think that that does sound famili.
>> Correct. Right. >> Correct. What's there now is a temporary light. >> Yep. >> Yeah. We I don't I think at the time the consensus was that um we most everybody was okay with the temporary signaling but you know we didn't talk about roads completions cuz honestly for me
personally I expected all that to have been done before winter but >> well and I met with Mike we talked to him several times this week and our understanding from our contractor was the asphalt plant was closed. Mike informed us this week that that's not
the case. So, we've reached out about getting the asphalt to be able to finish that. So, cuz we've got some asphalt work that needs to be redone in the front as well based on Steve Hayward's inspections that I met with him today out at the site as well, so he could go
over all the things that needed to be fixed there. Uh, and then um talked about the light as well. I know one comment or question you had had, sorry, supposed to address this way, was >> can that signal be turned on? I spoke to him today. He said, "Sure, it can be
turned on at any time. Everything's wired up and ready to go." >> Steve Haywood say >> Steve Hayward. Yes. >> Yeah. He I had a conversation with him. He mentioned that to me. >> Yeah. He just thought it's it's not really needed right now. So, he was leaving it at flashing, but if it was the desire of the town, it could be
turned on at any time. >> Why would we need it turned on? I don't I mean, there's no >> If you were operating, I it would be on, but that would be more him and the police talking about traffic. >> Yeah. It was just something that has come up during the comments that I've
been >> I've been trying to talk to everybody, get everything in line here because as as everybody here knows, this project's been going on for quite a long time. I just came into this thing. So, I'm trying to figure out where everything's at. >> Lucky you. >> Figure out things and get it squared away and try to get this over the finish
line here for everybody's sake. >> Did you receive the last response from the board about the sidewalk conditions on the property sidewalk? Yes, I I have the report here from Steve and like I said, >> it's more than that. >> We sent there was a letter from the
planning board that um was sent out to you >> and um >> not to you specifically. >> This one with the measurements on it as well. >> Yeah, the one that >> I think that was partly included, right? >> Probably gave him the whole report. >> Yeah, I'm sure Steve gave him a copy of the whole
>> Yeah, I have two letters. you guys from >> Yeah, there's multiple pictures in there references. That is the report to show all the deficiencies, >> but I Yeah, I meant a letter from the planning board. >> We had we drew a list of >> that could
that's why he's here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. But I wanted to make sure that he knew that those were the other issues. >> Right. >> Yes. Yeah. I've got I've got Steve's whole list of letter that he sent to you guys that covered everything. I've seen a couple letters to you guys and then
the report from that outside engineer. Uh like I said, he and I met at the site today so that he could walk through all those things with me so I can take pictures of it, get everything squared away so that we can get the corrections made on those. Now,
>> um in terms of site plan modifications, aside from the work, I was actually having a little trouble finding the latest plan that we had up there. There's a ramp system up in front just adjacent to the sidewalk. Actually, it
encroaches on the sidewalk a little bit, but that's Steve's issue. Um, I don't know that that was on the original plan. That was a modification somewhere along the line. There go we talking about modifications that got thrown in there. >> What is it? Is that a What are we
talking about? Handicap ramp or >> Yeah, to be honest, it was it was not our modification. So, we're thinking it was Starbucks modification. So, I reached out to our team to reach out to the engineers to figure out who put that in there because again, when I was out there with Steve, he brought it to my
attention and we're looking at it. It's 99% covered in snow, so I could only see pieces of it. But he he said, "Take my word for it. There's a ramp under here somewhere." Um, but yeah, that was not on our original plan. So, we got a punch list from Starbucks that included
putting a railing on a ramp. Um, and so that's what brought it to our attention. And so we're trying to figure out if they put that ramp in and if so, what was the purpose and why was it put in? >> Yeah. And if it's to um for handicap
purposes, just eyeballing that, I don't know. That's pretty steep out there. I just >> Yeah, that was Steve's comment as well. Like I said, it was ADA compliant. >> It's completely covered in snow, so we couldn't look at it or measure it or anything. But but yeah, it it's on our list to figure out why that's there and
what it's for cuz it was not on our original plans. >> And we did not we did not install it. So we're trying we're assuming Starbucks did it. >> But either way, we'll find out why it's there and then come and talk to you guys
about it. Either to remove it or to come get our hands slapped for doing something that shouldn't have been done. >> Darren, are you from leaders? Is that correct? >> Mike, uh the building inspector had a comment. So, so my question to the board is, are we going to require this light
to work to give this store occupancy? Because I'm hearing a little different. It sounds like like the light doesn't need to work. >> Does the light have to work for occupancy and the road be finished >> or just the road finished and the light
>> just be turned? >> I was just talking about the arm that was coming out the working for now. We I do see there's new lights hung there that does not operate. Right. Yeah. So, they can turn those on is what the DPW director is saying. >> Correct.
>> And that will go on. Right. >> He didn't think that there's time to to turn them on. >> Right. Not today. Right. But in 30 days or whatever, whenever they get an occupancy, I just want to know that that the board we want the light on. >> Absolutely. That was always the
>> That was always 100% off and that was square and job. >> No, >> I just wanted to be sure of that. Sorry question. >> Yeah, and that's that was our understanding as well is that as soon as operations the light needs to be good,
but it could it could be turned on now. If >> if the road is paved next week, the light could be turned on next week. It's it's ready to go >> with the temporary stuff and then whenever the the permanent comes in, it'll be swapped out. But it's fully functional with the temporary status
right now. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's how I think we all understood. >> Y >> and and that's why the discussion um that we had months ago about the temporary potential temporary
certificate of occupancy we would have we would be okay with the temporary lights working up there. >> And and I I had clarified as part of that that that wouldn't be the only thing. And I think we all pretty much agree.
>> It's all we talked about was the lights. >> Yeah. >> What was the other bond you were referring to aside from the the light? >> Well, he was thinking that the driveway that the road was going to be bonded
>> because of the asphalt. and Stephen, his letter to you guys had mentioned potentially bombing all the road works and some of it may not be able to be completed until all the snow is >> That was the letter we got from you folks. That wasn't um >> Well, he had mentioned it is I don't know if it's too late.
>> Oh, yeah. You're talking about Yeah, >> but but that was just his like thought process of how are we going to make this right. >> Yeah, >> there there's a couple of different distinctions here. The the street itself, the road really isn't the purview of the planning board. It's
really highway. >> It's private. >> Yeah. Well, no. No. >> Oh, you mean 106? >> I thought you meant the entrance. >> No, no. Okay. No, 106. >> Okay. >> Cuz I I know that the highway sea originally when he discussed it cuz he
didn't actually have to allow the road to be opened because it was less than 5 years since the paving had been done out there. He actually delayed the paving a year. anticipating the construction work and then when it didn't happen, he just had to go ahead and do it. Uh so actually it was fortunate that he was
actually even willing to open up the road at that point. Um but the deal was if I understood it correctly that it was supposed to be mil 10 ft on either side, two inches deep maybe or maybe it was more.
>> Yeah, it was more I think but anyway >> but but anyway, so of course that never happened. So that might be why >> say >> that that is still on the plan to be done when all the road and all the asphalt work is done. Like I said, we were under the impression that the
asphalt was not available, but that is all still in the plans to do is to Right now there's like a 3ft wide strip >> and it will be Yeah. And they will be expanded to become wider and then to allow for better leveling. >> Right. Okay. All right. And then that
brings up the sidewalk which is a whole another catastrophe uh and has been since since day one. Um I don't know what the issues there were with the contractor or whatever and it's none of my personal business with your relationship with the contractor the developer is but um that is absolutely
not compliant. I mean just eyeballing it that there's no way that that is level. >> Where were you talking >> directly in front of the construction site which has been the s sidewalks up on the road >> all along. I mean, from the >> having sill socks laying in the sidewalk
and keeping people from walking in, not to mention the dimple out there that was a mess and got ripped up by >> the snow thrower the warning panels. >> Yeah. Yeah,
>> I know, but >> um also and you you may be bringing it up too. The at one point the highway surveyor had indicated that he thought it was a good idea that we put an island in the turn uh right in only left right out only and
no left turn in. Um there was a couple of incarnations of that. There was one setup that was further up onto the driveway with gran on the sides, which I didn't think was a good idea for plowing purposes, but um
and then it morphed into onto the sidewalk. And I I get the idea that it's preventative, but it's also sloped. And there's no way any of that is handicapped compliant out out there. So that has to be addressed.
>> So and the question from us is what do you guys want us to put there? When I spoke with Steve today, his recommendation was just rip the whole thing out and just put painted lines there and then put a like exit only sign and an entrance only sign there to kind
of prevent people from turning. But that way it can be completely flat graded for ADA compliance purposes and not >> the reason it got to the shape it is now was for the fire trucks to be able to turn and get on. Um because as you said the large granite thing impeded fire
trucks from being able to get in there. So the fire department said that's got to go. So then they came up with that hybrid slopey design. But Steve's recommendation was either take the whole thing out, which was his first preference, and paint it, or cut out the
section that is in the in the line of the sidewalk. >> But that just leaves you with like one foot of random concrete there that may end up doing more damage to cars than anything. >> Yeah, that's I I Steve's idea works for
me. And so and and we're we're fine doing whatever you guys would want to do cuz I believe it was the town that wanted that put in. >> So totally understand why. But I think now that we've kind of seen some iterations of it and Steve's recommendation is
let's just put paint down there and be done with it. We're happy with whatever you guys want to do. We just you tell us what you want the final product. >> I like the opinion from the from the building commission. >> I think he's got one. >> Yeah. Yes, they do. So, I would like to see
the sidebar ripped out completely that were installed from start to finish and the handicap mats put in correctly into wet concrete like they should have been put in and uh sidebar paper be brought in rather than a wheelbarrow and a
couple guys with a hand roll. So, my suggestion to the board is to get rid of the bumble strip in the middle. All right? because it's more important to become ADA compliant because >> what it's about. It has to be all right.
>> And and I'm not as worried about the fire truck as I am about all the 18 wheelers that have to come in there because they have to come in there to deliver to Starbucks and to that new auto zone. That is the only way to get 18 wheelers in those two facilities. So,
they're coming in that way. Just so you realize >> what >> they're not going to come through the drive >> where where that little exit. >> No. Oh, no, no, no. Like they're coming in through the road like >> and then they have to go back to the store behind the stores.
>> So, I'm just saying they got to make over that >> that strip is null and void at that point to be honest. >> You talking about the one that's on the side. >> Mr. White, please. Mr. White, >> please. Is he talking about the one that's on the side or the one that's on
route 106? >> So, he's going to ignore me anyway. He's >> so the the one that's on the side road heading into the storage facility, right? That's where they're going to come in. >> Not the controlled entrance. You're talking about the other >> the main entrance. That's where I want
the rumble. >> The one directly on Plymouth. >> That's actually the main entrance really only for >> the >> the auto store. >> Okay. No, there's no >> The way I see that, the way I see it, if you listen in Starbucks right now, the
entrance is coming in off that side street. >> You go to the Starbucks, you have to go up the side street towards the storage facility and take a left and that's where their entrance is. >> No, the way they're coming, if you're going to the drive up at Starbucks,
you're coming in at the control site and then getting But there's also a lane to go over to the auto. >> Yeah. Around the back of the building. So that's what I'm saying. All the deliveries are going to come in that road.
>> So get rid of the rumble strip and make that a handicap accessible way. That walkway needs to be handicapped ADA compliant from one end that they started to the other end of it and done correctly. And that's
there's no variation of that. >> They they actually rolled it, but they did in fact >> do it by hand, which you're never going to get. >> You can just look at it and see all it's full of potato chips. >> Yeah, you can see >> potato chips. >> I have a comment from
>> Chris 1029 Circuit Street. Uh I know in the last meeting you mentioned you go prep run in relook at the controlled entrance like the building inspector just mentioned. It's it's pretty narrow. There's three lanes there. The middle lane is the only lane for all three
properties to take a left out with westbound on 106. And with Starbucks is probably going to be busy. There might always be cars in that middle lane. Uh now that we're having the self storage out back, there possibly could be people 26T U-Haul trucks, trailers pulling in
off 106. And if the cars are in that middle lane constantly, they're not going to have the room to swing in because it does look narrow. So, if there's going to be a lot of like rear tires of trucks driving up over the sidewalks and stuff to try to swing in and I think you'll go have Brennan just
take a look at that, see if that's going to be an issue. >> Sure. >> You can have leaders take a look at that too >> and ask Pat to review it. >> Yep. >> I mean, that's a legitimate road now. So that needs to be it's more than just an
access way because it has future. >> It's more than just a driveway. >> Could be. Yes. >> Y >> yeah. And it's going to have some traffic. >> And I don't know if there will be a whole edge of the curb there like a crosswalk hit a button. I don't know what the design is. >> So if someone with a big U-Haul truck
tries to make the corner and >> cutting it tight because there's cars in the middle lane there for that access road. >> Yeah. >> If they might sideswipe something or up over the sidewalk. Yeah, it's a legitimate concern. >> I'm sorry, >> Brad.
>> Brad White, 407 South Street. While we have the gentleman here taking notes for the contractor to fix stuff, would it be possible that we something we're trying to get done for a long time now, at least get somebody, the contractor, go out there and pick up the waddles, all the rub bases to the tires, the stuff
that's damaged the town's equipment. Um, it's just it's a total mess, but at least pick up all the debris. That' be a great idea. >> Yeah, I >> I see him taking notes, so I'm assuming he's >> Oh, yeah, he is.
>> An intent to address this. >> Yeah. Well, and like I said, that's my goal is to figure out >> what we need to do. >> What do we need to do here? What do you guys need from us? You know, I know we started out talking about the bonding. Are there specific things you need from us for that?
>> There was also a question that came up when I had a conversation with the highway surveyor this afternoon and he was talking about the runoff from not the controlled entrance exit but the other side. >> Yeah,
>> it appears that one drain is working but not necessarily the other one is accumulating or taking on or off. Is that something that we need to look at? >> My understanding from talking to him this afternoon was he wasn't sure what
the situation was going to be. And his suggestion to me that he said he was going to relay to you guys was that it'd be monitored for 6 months and see what runoff is happening and what changes if any need be made. He mentioned the I believe the condos or the apartments
behind had had a similar issue and they ended up putting an additional catch basin in. And so his recommendation was as we start to get the runoff and the melt, let's figure out are they are they adequate or are they not? And if they're not, then an additional catch basin
would need to be added. I I would think now is the time to be looking at this >> and make some calculations because we're not going to get a finished grade in there and then say to you, "Hey, go dig it all up while you're trying to operate at the same time." That doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Second, >> but you may want to discuss this with
your engineers. We'll bring it up with ours >> and see, you know, what the best approach to this is. >> I I I I and and once it's done, I I mean, we come back to somebody and say, "Hey, you got to fix this. What what do we do? We shut you down if you don't do
it. I I don't want to get into that. Let's fix it right up front and and get that >> better to handle it now than try to mess later. >> My understanding from talking to him was he didn't know whether there was going to be a problem or not. He just based on having seen other things. There could be
he he didn't have any definitive yes, this is a problem. He just said I don't know. It could be. So, let's watch it. Well, I I I I got the impression that one of them seem to be taking on runoff and the other one maybe not so much or not at all. So So it needs to be looked
at in any way. I believe somebody needs to look at this and make an assessment. >> Sooner rather than later because I I don't want to see this thing actually get done, get everything paid and everyone's going, "Hey, we got it all paid." I'm not saying you do that, but there's always the potential. >> Well, so
>> because that will happen. >> Yeah. it it will get shut down until it's fixed. >> Yeah. And it it does already have finish grade pavement on everything. Now, some of it's going to have to be taken up to prepare for the ADA stuff anyways.
>> Um but the other thing is there's one on each side of that secondary entrance. Uh one on the Starbucks side and one on the Autozone side. So, >> it's the AutoZone one that's not collecting anything right now, but that site is not finished and presumably
we'll drain to that when that site is finished. So, >> in any event, it should be looked at in concurrence with our review engineer so that everybody's on the same page. >> Are you aware look like that? And then is is Pat the right person on your side to look at that? >> Correct.
>> So, we'll coordinate with Pat. >> That would that would save an awful lot of problems. Awful lot. Do you have the um the construction agreement for the driveway and the parking? That is an easement. >> Uh I don't personally have it on me. I'm
sure we have it in our files and I can get you a copy. >> That needs to be 100% completed before I'll even consider giving you any TCO 100% completed. >> Okay. Cuz that runoff has to be handled. Period.
that section of of entrance way from there to the hydrant that he was pointing out. If it's not paved, it's just going to be up. >> Yeah. That access road is missing the top coat. >> The Yeah. The only reason you guys have started building it all is that you had that agreement to do that.
>> So, in my opinion, you can't circumvent that at all. Period. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't think I agree with you that that access road needs to be finished. You know, if there's issues with it with the storm
drains there, getting that up to the finished grade, that's how the water's going to get in there. So, um, bingo. >> Yeah. No, no, no problems or arguments here on that. >> Did you have a comment, Mark? >> No, just to add that, yes, the the the the road needs to be finished as well as
all the sidewalks. the the DPW director needs to sign off on the site before I think it even comes to you guys to be honest to make sure >> everybody needs >> well he's the like he's the eyes right he's watching he's seeing what's going on so he's the guy that I I think is the
most important to come back to you guys and say okay it's paved and now you can send Brennan out and he can redo the sidewalk grades and he can redo the ADA and if we need him to uh look at that second um AutoZone inlet and he can say
to us, >> "Yeah, >> it's not going to get accessed until AutoZone is built up, you know." Um but yeah, I think that we send the engineer back out after the DPW is happy with it, just like we would do the final guy out
there, right? >> A road. Yeah. Just like we accept any road, right? except it won't be a road. It'll always be a private entrance to the storage and we're going to make >> but I just want to clarify for the town. It's never going to be a quality of the
quality of >> Yeah. that that has specific paving numbers for thicknesses and >> yeah has very specific dents. >> Okay. >> I just wanted to be clear just so that nobody ever thinks that we're going to ever publicly plot it or anything like
that. That's what I mean. of >> teasing him. >> Besides all the stuff that has to be fixed home, we still need a number for a bond, right? >> Just for the light. >> Just for the light. >> That's not anything about anything else.
And and I think you guys did supply us with a number at one point, but we didn't calculate it for prevailing wage or anything, you know, for penalties or a time limit.
>> And I guess that was our question. We provided you guys a number >> and we're waiting for either an acceptance or a counter back or or if we need give us some guidance on how we need to change it. If memory serves me right, I think you provided us with a
number of like 150 or 155,000 >> and it weld it up to 200. >> Yeah, but then I don't know that we actually considered prevailing wage when 200. So we're going to have to >> we also cave excuse me, but we also gave it a caveat that that we were looking
for all the rest of the stuff to be done and that's how the all these conversations started and that's why >> Yep. The only thing that we talked about bonding was the light. >> That was it because I think everybody assumed at that point that the rest of it was going to be done. And me
personally speaking, just for myself, that's all I'm interested in bonding is the light. >> So, as far as I'm concerned, everything else needs to be done. >> Okay. Same. >> Agreed. >> Red White 407 South Street. So if if in
fact then they needs is taking care of the roadway going in down to the fire hybrid then they would be responsible for repairing the roadway and the sidewalks there at the light. Correct. >> Mhm. >> So could we work on since like we were saying before this has been sitting since before Thanksgiving. Can we work
on at least getting the stakes taken out of the ground that hold the forms in place for the concrete and the 6-in holes that we have from the asphalt when there is no asphalt. goes to dirt and then it jumps up the concrete just to make the sidewalks passable. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's
reasonable and right now >> because it's been a mess since >> it started >> and I know we've had a lot of conversations about it and and it's justified. >> Somebody needs somebody needs to be in charge of it and
and watching >> and see it through to I actually made the crude statement to somebody over there that we needed some adult supervision. >> I'll get trouble. >> I will get in trouble.
>> What else do we have? Well, so circling back to the bonding number for the light again, >> we're going to have to talk to our engineer and and get some numbers. >> We did have some numbers on it. >> We did, but it was concreted and I think
that we wanted to because of all the other situation and it was >> Yeah, we held off. >> Yeah, we we could figure that out next week. We could figure that out. >> Yeah, >> that's not going to be an issue. >> I don't think so either. cut. >> That's the least of it.
>> We're going to make Yeah, it will be enough, but they're going to make sure they want to do it, >> right? And we have to put a time. >> That's all, you know, beyond. Yeah. And we definitely will have a time with it. >> Yeah. I was going to say it has to be a reasonable time. >> Oh, yeah. >> You know, the equipment's tough to get,
but at the same time, we want a sense of urgency on it. >> Yeah. >> Now, I know there's an issue with the polls out there because Verizon is terrible. >> Yes. >> And I know that it isn't just that site. It's other places in town that we've been waiting for Verizon to take polls
down. >> Steve said some sites have been waiting for years, which was not encouraging for me to hear. >> Yeah. >> Because they have our money and haven't moved the polls. >> Yeah. >> We up and wait. >> They just got sold to Eversource, right? >> All the polls.
>> Oh, yeah. Because Halifax has has always been a well, it used to be an AT&T setting area which evolved into Verizon, but I believe that they they want out of it completely. So selling all the poles to ever source which tends to be a
little more national, excuse me, National Grid. >> Yeah, National Grid there are Verizon is the last Verizon >> Verizon. No, Verizon owns the poles in this town, >> but if they were selling them, they'd sell them to National Grid because they
don't have other source. >> Yeah, but I think I think even National Grid wants to get out of the pole business and you know, we're divided. >> Yeah. >> Some have a small section of gas. >> Yeah. So, we have the power the power is off the poles. The poles are already cut in half and the only thing on the poles
is Verizon and Comcast. So, they just need to swap over and then the poles can come out, right? But until the swap over is done, they can't pull the >> Makes sense, >> right? But the poles are all in the grass strip between the sidewalk and the roadway.
>> How do we expedite that? Or you can you don't There you go. >> You don't have a lot of friends. >> Yeah. All you can do is to the uh Department of Public Utilities, but >> yeah, we've been told we're on the construction schedule, but >> yeah, >> as for any details, we haven't gotten
any details of what that means. So, >> but but that shouldn't affect you, >> if you don't mind me saying. >> Nope. >> Shouldn't affect you because it's only in the grass strip. Sidewalks already been paved. It's paved next to the pole and all they literally do is they just
pull that out and they put global fill in there. So, if you do all your work and you just leave that little grass strip, >> then you should be >> you'll be okay. >> The the last pole is in the intersection. It's about three feet in,
but >> so that there is some that will affect that. But yes, >> two along the sidewalk and one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I saw the two side. >> Yeah, >> that one's going to be problematic.
>> Maybe we can make them do something about that one particular one. >> Well, you know, the town may be able to help with that. Maybe. You know what I mean? >> Talk to maybe we can get a letter. You know, it may not do anything, but
>> we can give it a try. >> Ask Ken Swezy to write a letter. He's been doing really good. >> Get up to our reps, too. And then if I could circle >> what can I ask? >> If you can circle what? >> Back to the median. Do you guys have a
preference on what's done there? I like the the idea of taking a note because it's it's really crazy how some of it's further out than all this other stuff. I don't know how you fix it. >> Pave it, paint, hash. >> I do want signs though, like
>> the signs will last till the first snowstorm, but you know, just Yeah, the signs need to be there. >> Occupancy. Yeah. >> Okay. You've heard them say they need to be there for occupancy >> and the paint needs to be kept you know
like even though we're going with paint it needs to be maintained so that it's always >> okay >> that that will become the responsibility >> because 520 >> where else are we >> Oh
well well the handicap Yes. >> So, pretty much you got to fix the road, fix finish the road, fix the sidewalks. >> Um I I don't want to ask the board, but I will. Um the there was discussion last
time they were here about the lighting. Is the lighting all set? >> We have Thank you for the reviving. We need the lighting, too. >> We don't have a lighting plan. >> Okay. >> Just so we don't have a I forgot all about that like >> Yeah, thank you.
>> Well, we were caught up in all the other stuff. >> There was one other thing now that I'm thinking about it. All right, now I'm going to go back to my paper. Anything else on your punch list there, Darren? >> Uh, I don't think that I things that I
need questions answered from you guys. I know you're waiting on an asbuilt from us. Um, we were told there was too much snow to do it. So, I was going out there to look at it to see I sent them pictures to say, "You're good. Like, you can do it." So, we should hope we're
getting on them to say, "Hey, get out there and do it for us." >> So, we should be able to get you that money as well. >> It's some serious melting money. >> Right. >> Yeah, it'll be long. It's going to be Well, seven
>> as soon as I part >> Orlando area. So, um, if the board would So, if he has any questions, we if he could contact me and then I can address you guys. >> Sure.
>> You have his numbers or anything down how to get. >> Yeah. So, I just need you're okay to >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> emails so that we can be like CCed on the email so we know what's going and you can answer them back in emails because
>> otherwise it's all talk. >> Question. It wouldn't be a major, but >> yeah, if if you have an incidental if you have anything, you can send it via email. That's great. >> Well, I'll I'll I'll email coordinate with you and you can add on whoever >> I can see the board.
>> Okay. >> Absolutely. >> But just so there's some communication that's not a month away from >> Yeah. Yeah. We want this to move along. We don't want to drag it out. >> We do. I think
>> the sooner this is done and right, the better everybody is, >> right? >> Including you. I actually feel bad for you. You're the third one in the process here. You You end up with all the >> You look like you can handle it. We'll
get through it together. >> I don't see anything else on the list. Sorry. >> No, I think >> I think No, she had um she had a question about the drainage, but I think you already asked it from the beginning cuz you lighting and the drainage over
there, but you asked the other >> to make sure that it was all >> right. Right. >> Yeah. Soated. >> So I I would assume, >> but I was making that. >> Did they build Did they build the drainage leaders built that retention bond?
I don't know the answer to that. >> I'd like to know that. I I would like to know that >> they built the one behind the Autozone store. >> Yes. >> The one that's on the site over there. I think P did that, right? If I'm not mistaken. >> The one on the opposite side.
>> Yeah. The one we're talking about >> access road. Yeah. >> We're talking about this one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The one behind >> Yeah. You could get me something on that.
>> Yeah, that that was leaders. >> So, your responsibility is is the road, the sidewalk. Are you responsible at all for Autozone? >> Uh, no. >> No, it's they're doing their own also.
>> That lot's already that's broken off. But you are responsible for the >> uh for the site work. Yeah, >> just the site. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you're doing the site work inside the fence ultimately? >> No. >> On the AutoZone side? No. >> No. They're doing all that. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. >> You going to They're going to blend into your site. >> Mhm. >> It's the same guy actually, right? >> The same >> same contractor operator. >> Uh I don't know the answer. >> Um
>> I can confirm it for you. No, >> I'm fine. Anybody? Anything else? >> I think that covers it as far as I'm concerned. >> I think we gave you a place for this. >> Yeah, I got quite a few notes to do.
>> We appreciate you coming though and addressing it. >> Trying to get every >> I'd rather get everything on the table now. Let's figure it out. Let's deal with all the all the issues at one time versus >> dribbling it out for the sake of >> Yeah. And it's going to save money in the long
run, too, because if it was all done incorrectly and not done efficiently, then like Mr. Troop said, be a stop order and and then >> Yeah, we don't >> we don't we're trying to avoid problems like that. >> I don't think they're okay.
>> Good. >> They can get it. >> Excellent. >> Yeah. As long as we're all communicating and on the same page, we'll all get through it. Yeah. Thank you. >> Thanks. Nice to meet you. >> We might have a question from the
audience. >> Looking at verdict, Oregon, seven rows, looking at that entryway to that complex and in the middle of the entryway, they have built a low island. Okay?
And having been a truck driver for many years, you're not going to take a truck and get into that driveway without going over the curbs. Okay. So, either that driveway should be widened and that and I understand the
reason for that split so that somebody coming out will easily doesn't get onto the wrong side of that driveway, but we have drivers that way. So, I'm not sure what the correct answer is, but the wrong answer is what they've got there right now. >> Yeah, we're gonna be taking that out.
>> Yeah, that's coming up. >> Yeah, that's what we were talking about coming out going to driveway or sorry, asphalt and then it being painted and then we're going to have signs up >> cuz you can only take a right turn in. You can't and and Yeah. >> Yeah. A right turn going
>> right turn, left out, right, >> left out, right in. But a big enough truck when they come in, they're going to take that whole driveway. We know that. Okay. >> Because I don't think the driveway is the curb coming into the driveway, I
think, should be rounded back a little bit further so that the whole rig gets in there >> except for it's not the main entrance. Any any trucks like that are to be going in the access >> into the access road. That's why they
went for um exclusion from 16710L is because they couldn't use their phonetics. >> Good. >> Thanks. right in by the way. >> Thank you. >> Same thing here.
>> Uh one one other thing that brought that back up based on the conversations that happened earlier today. Do we need to submit for a modification to take that out or is this meeting cover that or I just want to make sure we're following the correct procedure on things. Well, I
>> we might need a modified plan on >> I'm I'm thinking about the ramp or whatever the >> little island I'm talking about that that we've said let's take it out. >> No, I know what you're talking about. I mean, it's kind of incidental. Um but >> yeah, I just want to make sure for
>> and maybe add the handicap ramp. >> Okay. >> You know, because that was >> unless that's coming up. I was going to say that may be coming out based on conversations we have, but you know, >> I'll let you know what what the decision is on that and then we can either come for a modification or say, hey, it's
coming out with with the >> my thought on that ramp. I when I first saw it and realized what was going on there, my thought was that the driveways aren't handicapped accessible. The grade is greater than 1 and 12. So maybe they decided to bring something in so that
somebody from the sidewalk could walk up there. However, like I said, it looked steep to me anyway, but I I didn't put a level on it, so I'm just kind of eyeballing it. But so what >> you wouldn't be so opposed to it built correctly, >> right? >> Yeah.
>> Am I like I think that we've all said that from the beginning, like when we first started talking about it, like we wouldn't be opposed to it if it was done correctly. If if if it's angled correctly, would you guys prefer for it to be left there or
don't have it in either way? >> What do you think, Shane? >> I think I need to make I think I need to go over to the site and make that call because it definitely depends on the driveway angle whether or not another access is required. >> Well, that's why I was that was my guess
as to why they even thought about doing it. >> It's a great guess. It's most likely why it was >> and it might not be so bad where And it might not be not allowed. It may have to be. So >> if if the if the Yeah. If the pitch of the road
>> you're not going to get anywhere near the snow, >> right? It's not like that could be a modification that ADA overrules everything and should say, "Yeah, you got to do it. You can maybe put it in a different spot. Don't get me wrong, but >> let me go over and look at that and see
what the pitch in the driveways would be >> and you can touch base matters with both of them. The >> the one that's the right in right out for Starbucks and AutoZone, that one is steeper, but the access point at the light is >> flat. >> It's very flat. So, I hear what you're
saying. I don't know if it matters if there is >> pretty specific in the ADA how it can be. >> And there's no sidewalk coming up that way. I don't believe all the way to the store. I don't know on the control side. >> So maybe that was another reason that >> Yeah, I don't know. It's all covered.
>> In any event, it needs to be looked at. >> I I do remember the end of last year the contractor might have been in here and said they threw that in because of what the original site plan was. It was too steep or something and they kind of did that on their own or something. >> Yeah, I didn't remember that
conversation. I might not have been here, but that was my guess just looking at it. That's why I didn't clarify. >> Nobody would have done it unless they had a specific need to do it, >> right? >> To clarify. I didn't mean modify that we wouldn't allow it or like make it part
of a decision, but just to make sure that the plan is what should be there. >> Sure. Well, and that's why I was asking, do we need to modify the plan to show the median coming out and resubmit that to you guys? >> Yeah, that >> has this discussion covered that. I just want to make sure we're following it. >> I think you should change the plan so
that we have an accurate plan. I mean, you know, we're going to be all right with it. Just send the plan in how it's supposed to be. >> So, make a plan. So, so make a amendment to the plan showing the triangle out and pavement across. >> It's a very simple um Yeah. Make a
revision >> clickable. Send it over. We'll get it stamped. >> I'm good. Anyone? I'm fine. You >> I'm good. Bill, >> thank you for coming in. >> Yeah, nice to meet you guys. >> This is very helpful for everybody, I
think. >> And I other than that, I think we just have some housekeeping items, right? >> We have a bill. >> We have some cancellations tonight. >> Oh, there were cancellations. >> Yeah. on the on the discussion section.
Uh we had uh the possible continued discussion on >> which uh is not uh going to happen tonight because nothing came back from the attorney. Um and there was a request
uh to endorse a zoning change for the end of Industrial Drive. Uh it's the weirdest thing. It goes from industrial to residential down at the very end into the wetlands. But anyway, they've they've uh decided not to pursue that.
So, we don't have to talk about that. >> Who's trying to pursue that? >> That was um the >> I think it's road safe now if I'm not mistaken. >> Yeah.
>> They're they're um they're looking to finance with an investor. or it was the investor who brought it up and wanted to know if that was a possibility. Then they changed their mind. I guess they're not interested in financing it. So,
>> it's a non it's a non-issue. >> Good. There's enough to deal with at town meeting anyway. Plus, it was a question as to whether there was enough time to get it on time because you have to have a hearing 21 days in advance. But it's worse than that because anything that's going to go in on the
warrant has to be done in a timely fashion so as to get the warrant information to the publisher so they can get the warranty. So there was a crunch. >> Well, the deadline's not till the 11th of March. >> No, to close the war.
>> No, that wasn't there. It was also to give it to the publisher >> and you had to have a hearing blah blah blah. The warrant's not going to be published until April. >> No, but it takes I don't know 6 weeks, nine weeks to get it off. >> All right. Well, >> anyway, so it's a moot point anyway.
>> What do we got for >> bills? Bills and one bill, I believe. >> Yep. One bill. Um I went over the mail. I didn't see anything. Just small additions to other tabs. um not anything that we should be concerned with.
>> I know that there is going to be a hearings for a battery pack in Penrook in April on a battery pack for starter storage. >> I see signs popping up all over Pemrook right now about it. >> Yeah. And they want to put it um at the
pump where social real is um right on the river. So that is an important one to go to because if they start forcing battery storage in people's towns, it could end up being a neighbor to you. Not you, you or you with us. Okay.
Bills. Okay. I make a motion to um pay a WVM Mason bill S159552312 for office supplies in the amount of $144.26. 26 cents. >> Okay,
>> I'll second that. >> Was that a motion? >> Yes, it was. >> Okay. I I I wasn't sure. I hear a motion. >> All right. So, we need a vote. >> Yeah, we don't need to do a roll. All
those in favor say I. I. >> All those opposed. Eyes have it. I just got to watch out the place. And then um another we don't have any meeting minutes
tonight. N >> and so then I will make a motion. >> Our next meeting will be the >> March 19th. >> So we'll be there on March 19th at 7:00. >> Okay. After that, I will entertain a motion to adjurnn.
>> Move to adjourn. Do I have a second? >> I'll second. All those in favor? >> I. >> All those opposed eyes have it again. >> Thank you everybody.