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[music] >> It is now apparently 7:00 p.m. So, we're going to call to big order the meeting of the town of Halifax Planning Board. We are meeting in person in the Selectmen's Meeting Room, also known as Meeting Room 1 at Town Hall for 99 Plymouth Street right here in

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Halifax. And I need to announce that the Planning Board meeting is being recorded by Area 58 and can be viewed on YouTube or community access television, which I don't remember the station if you still have cable. Tonight, present

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is the full board. Amy Troop, Bruce Sylvester, Curt Gainer, Jamie Walsh, and myself, Tom Millias. First order of business is to approve the agenda, but I want to add one thing

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that came in yesterday that was too late to put on the agenda for a very brief discussion. >> I'll make a motion to accept the agenda as presented. >> He's making a >> I'm I'm adding something. Yes. Brief

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discussion of Walmart submission. >> You're calling it Walmart submission? >> Uh yeah, for um a modification. >> Did they Did they apply yet? >> No. Was it just questions? Yeah. Yeah, they were just

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They wanted to see what we were looking for, so I thought as long as we had the opportunity we could, you know, just kick it around and see if anybody had anything specific. With the addition of that, was there a motion? >> I'll amend my motion to include the

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Walmart submission discussion with the agenda as presented. >> Can we get a second? >> Second. >> Moved and seconded to approve the agenda. All those in favor? >> Aye. >> Okay. Um first order of business is the

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affirmation of the decision letter for 69 Summit Street site plan review uh or site plan modification actually signed by the chair well, it wasn't signed by the chair, but uh to be signed by the chair. Um Did everybody get a copy? No, I don't

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think so. Do you want to look at You know, you had a chance to read it, right? >> I did. The only question I had is the um what I'm looking at in here looking for up where I sat on the on the previous decision letter for the South of Fifth.

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>> I I did not confirm that. All [clears throat] I confirmed was this is exactly what we voted for at [snorts] at our meeting. And you can't change it after that, folks. So I I believe it was addressed, but I can't attest to that. Does anybody want

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to take a look at that? As I was I was saying, I actually watched the meeting as painful as it is to watch a meeting after you've lived it. Um and that's exactly the verbage that we voted on. And that was Bruce's motion.

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>> [snorts] >> So, did you make that grammatical [clears throat] change to the last sentence? >> Yeah, and I believe Bruce was here for that. >> Yeah, >> that sentence was That's not discussed. So, we just need the chair's signature. >> Yeah, I I just wanted to do it in the form of a motion and to

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approve [clears throat] the chair signing for the board. >> Not to be argumentative, but we There was already a motion and it was it was seconded and there was a vote on the letter to approve it 4-1. Uh

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I don't think you can change it once it's been approved. >> I I I I agree. Um the last letter All we did was we added a couple of words to the uh >> Grammatically or spelling or something like that, but it doesn't interfere with it, but

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it's already been voted on. >> Right, this is exactly what we voted on. >> Voted as well as the uh having the chair sign it. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Yeah, just basically a vote to have Actually, we probably amend that to look for a vote to have the chair sign the decision letter. >> We did that already, though.

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>> I don't think we did in the last meeting. >> Um pretty sure we did. >> No, I got left on the table. >> Yeah, yeah, I I I I actually watched the film and I don't believe we addressed that. So, that's why >> Okay, you watched the film and >> Yeah, so that's why I'm looking for a motion to have the chair to allow the

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chair to sign for the board. >> I'll make a motion then to allow the chair to sign the decision letter for uh 16 uh for what? What's the number? >> It's 16 Summer Street. >> 16 Summer Street.

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>> Second. All those in favor? >> I. >> I. >> All those opposed? >> No. >> The ayes have it. >> Okay, and we'll put that back in here. >> Next up on the agenda is an A and R 2136-1 for 5 Deer Hollow Way.

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>> I'll be recusing myself. >> Okay, you anticipated. Very good. >> And you gave the land to Chris, correct? >> What's that? >> You guys did a swap. >> No, no, this is some putting a just adding a lot with the frontage that I have. >> We already did that over there.

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>> What's that? >> No, no, this is a I'm doing another form A. >> have anything for Chris on there. >> Yeah, no, I'm doing another form A. >> No, no, I assume that. I know the other thing got taken care of. >> Oh, yeah, that already Yeah, that's Chris. It's already got taken care of, so. >> I just wanted to make sure you didn't have anything for

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>> Well, yeah, no, no, nothing for Chris. Chris is good. >> We're just creating one more lot. >> Yeah, I'm saying to you. >> Yeah. >> So, basically, we're just making this a lot now in here. >> Yeah. This This is the house lot and this is

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the one you want to do. >> Yes. >> The proposal. >> Yes. >> So, that's I think that's the proposal. >> So, we got lot Lot three is yours. Lot two is Uh lot No, this is This is lot three. Um Oh, yeah, lot three is That's lot three. The way it is is too big here.

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Yes. >> Um let's see. Oh, yeah, this. >> Yeah, you got your circle drawn there. >> just on target with it cuz I I was like, "Wait a minute, I'm counting 143 and then I saw the 6.73 >> I stretched out the 150

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for everything, so Check out the first slide, that's got a ton of information. >> I I think in the building box here where this is wet. >> So, yeah, yeah, it's the same thing. Pretty much the same slot that it was in very close to what it was before on the right.

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It's almost identical to where it was. It got shifted a little bit over, maybe about 30 ft, but it's still closer. >> Yeah. No, I just was saying cuz this is so wet right here, you're probably going over here, right? >> Oh, yeah, yeah. It's going here, for sure. >> Okay. Bruce, can you just tell us what you want to do again?

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>> I know you're working, but I might go >> Yeah, yeah, absolutely. What's that? >> Can you just tell us what you want to do again, so >> Well, just I'm just adding a lot. I'm adding this lot in here. >> So, this is one big lot now? >> No, it's two lots. >> Three lots now. >> It was I was the whole parcel and we we re-divided

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>> Basically. >> Correct. Okay. Cuz he owns all of that. >> Yes, I own all of This is all mine. >> Bruce, what is the frontage on your house lot? >> 150. >> There's 150 here? >> Yep. >> No, it's on the circle. >> Because of the one that says 150 on it.

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>> So, all I did was I reduced it. This got reduced a little bit. So, it was like 6 ft bigger, but we did that just so we could get this, so we have plenty of room to get the house in here. So, the house hasn't really This house hasn't moved much. It might have moved 30 ft cuz the line came over a little bit, but >> You're losing the housing for all your

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toys. >> What's that? No, I'm I'm creating I'm creating a three-bedroom house with the garage. >> Oh, with the garage. >> [laughter] >> I thought you were losing that. >> Yeah, no, I'm just creating a three-bedroom. No, that's on the address and Just got to put in a new septic in, that's all. I was upgrading the septic

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anyway, but so I'm going to just put in a new septic system. >> It's smarter to do that cuz if you ever wanted to sell it off, if can. >> I can sell that off, and then if I want to retire, I can keep this place up here. >> Yeah, and then our place down south. >> Yeah, and then that's mine. >> So, that was actually Mike's idea.

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>> [snorts] >> Mike? >> Yeah, the building's right there. Because yeah, you can have two, you know, your place up here, place down there. You don't have your whole house to clean. >> Yeah. >> Well, I everything looks like it conforms to me. You got your circles in there. This is

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what This is Is this the dotted line? >> Yeah, that's the wetlands. >> Wetlands. >> Yeah. So, not any closer than you >> one of the paper, I'm going to cross off the A. >> That's conservation. >> I was just going to say, is it in the conservation? >> One paper. >> Oh, yeah, that's already approved. Like,

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I got the These two structures are already approved with conservation. >> Yeah, well >> It's It hasn't gotten any closer. This has actually This actually needs to be further away. I'm on the wetlands, but yeah. It's already cleared for construction. The 50-ft setback is all

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>> It was a fine. >> Oh, yeah, plenty of room. Yeah, these are 120-ft circles, so yeah, there's plenty of room. >> I'm I'm motion to accept the A&I on [clears throat] um How am I going to address this? Um >> On Daily Way?

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>> Yeah, um on Daily Way, but if there are >> Is there a form? >> Then all right. >> have Do we have the >> Lot 5D and Lot 6D. >> Aren't we supposed to have a a letter? The form of request. So, I sent it I filled it out on the online, I

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believe. >> Yeah. >> So, we can probably find it on the computer screen. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> [clears throat] >> So, we need it to sign that. Or is it the You signed the mylar. >> Is it in here? >> We're going to sign this now. >> Yeah, they have to sign the mylar.

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>> We do technically have to sign the application Is it in here? >> No, that's the application that we submitted submitted to Oh yeah, to the >> Registry >> Yeah.

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>> Do we have a minor? >> I have a minor. >> It's not printed in here. >> I didn't see it. >> Let me know. I'm going to have to check on that because I don't think I usually do letters with these. >> No, that's me. My My attorney does that with all the You're saying that the

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whole for the one letter. >> For the format, yeah. >> It's not like a decision letter. It's um >> It's just the application. >> Yeah, it's the application. >> That's right. It was signed last time when I >> Well, we can all just go into the office and sign it on Monday. >> Okay. >> Does that make sense?

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>> Yeah, I'll have my attorney do >> Well, we'll sign these copies anyway. >> Well, we have to do the motion, right? I'll make a motion to approve lot 5B. Yeah, it didn't get seconded. Lot 5B, lot 60

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um um deed reference book 57071 page 166 and 57070 page 198 book 59698 and page 170 and

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book 59304 page 59. >> What am I missing? >> Um 6B 6 What is that? I I think >> It's in the description over here. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah, they're just changing the lot numbers, that's what it's all This is

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how it's all getting written down. Yeah. >> Those are the plan references that exist. So, this plan's going to go in new. >> I wrote the lot books and pages. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> They were all deeded now, right? >> Correct. >> Okay. All right.

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>> I'll second that motion. >> Moved and seconded to approve the plan as presented. >> What are we voting on? >> This is what we're voting on. Who's voting on this? Who's voting on this now? Just so you have it for the record. >> Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. We're going to take a roll call >> Yes. >> Yeah. I was going to do that anyway. Um

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We're going to take a roll call vote. Does Mr. Sylvester recuse himself? Ms. Truex. >> Yes. >> Myself, Tommy Elias, yes. Mr. Walsh. >> Yes. >> Mr. Gainer. >> Yes. >> Okay. Unanimous for those present and voting.

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No, they don't use They don't take the ballots anymore. >> It's a 6 >> He has a ballot. >> Oh, he does have a ballot. >> a ballot. I have a ballot. >> Okay. What's the >> Today is June 18th. >> 18th. What was 18th. 6 18. Year 26. I'm like, what are you

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>> [laughter] >> What are you voting on here? Let me show you the one 50s again. The big letters this says 150. >> Give me that big red I'm really looking at the [ __ ] >> Let me show you my other one. >> Six. >> I'm sorry?

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>> How many signed copies do you need? >> Six minimum. >> How many do you want? >> Well, I don't I don't I don't even need my own. >> Well, fine. >> This should be should be a couple anyway. >> I'll bring you a new >> my office. >> That was my fault.

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>> If you have an extra one, may we all sign it and for the one that's signed as well. >> Yeah. >> We'll do another one. >> I'll tell you what. I'll just scan this in. I'll scan that in. I'll keep the first copy. >> Yeah, I'll do that for you.

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>> 400 black 300 for me. I'll save that one. >> Yeah, I saw five of these. I am sorry about telling you. That's the last one. >> Is this your home birth? >> Yeah. >> I will come tomorrow.

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Yeah, this is one of the signed ones. If you want to sign it, but My love. >> We signed three >> three of them in the house. >> Yeah, at least three of them. >> Now, do you guys keep this? >> Yeah. >> I don't know. Do any of you all How many

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do we Do we keep? >> Sorry, what did you say? >> Uh how many We have We signed three copies. Is that enough for the for your records? >> That's That's more than enough. Thank you. >> Okay. So, Yeah, keep two of you keep one. >> Yeah.

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I'm going to recommend that everybody come to it so that >> I'm going to make a copy of this for >> [laughter] >> We got it. We got it. Thank you. >> You got it. We got it. Thank you. >> Can you pull this to flat?

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>> I need an elastic. Can't figure anything without elastic. >> I have the elastic over here. >> All right, your cuffs are going to be Your cuffs are GOING TO BE OKAY, SO THAT'S YOU, RIGHT? >> YEP. >> [bell]

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>> SORRY. THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. Can I make it tighter now? >> Sorry, I can't put it on the right. >> All right. She hasn't signed this yet. We need a signature. >> Do you need that in writing? >> Yes. >> I'm just looking at my hands for a

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moment. Just a second. That's how I see the decision letter. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to send it out. We We all set then with the decision letter? >> Yes. Yeah. >> As soon as all of you want to copy that or something. >> You don't mind? >> Yeah, I just ran off to make you one.

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>> Um >> So, you can get >> Yeah, right. All right. >> Yeah. >> I can walk over. You need a folder? >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Okay, moving on. Discussions.

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Mr. Troy was kind enough to come back. >> Oh, wow. I thought you had a full agenda tonight. >> No, it's actually pretty light. >> All right. >> Trying to remember how we left it off last time. I think you were you were

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organizing >> Two other members had said they want to stay on and continue. And the other two I haven't reached They haven't responded yet, but uh the emails I sent were the Italian emails. So, whether they look at Outlook uh

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I don't know. But, I will I will try and reach out to them again. And And the next one. >> Okay. >> All right. The next The next step up there is Excuse me? >> Who decided to stay? >> Jim Walters and Frank Johnson.

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>> Isn't there um sort of a conflict on that with their financing and having anything to do with another board that spends money? >> No, I don't think so. I think the two long-term residents of the town they're on the they're on multiple

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boards. >> I know. >> And they have, you know, power backs. That's what they care about, power backs. And they both of them on the on the board were excellent. They asked good questions. I have no problem with either one of them. >> I'll just check with the town council on

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that. >> Sure. >> Um >> Who else is on the board that you're trying to get a hold of? Um >> Uh John Bruno and uh Jeremy Gillespie. >> Now, you have a feeling about the town [clears throat] emails cuz I I know I tell people send me something, send it

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on my own. >> I know. But that's the only emails I have for them, so. >> Right. Right. Yeah. Um how many how many member board was it last constituted? Was it five, seven? >> Total five. >> Total five. >> One was going to get selected the representative from the select

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board. And the other the other four are just going to now with on the zoning board, but the other one's spaces would just open. >> So, yeah. Okay. So, you need three members to constitute to warm it up, right? >> Yeah, I mean I'm going to I'm going to

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try and get on the uh agenda for the uh select meeting next meeting. >> And see if they want to >> doesn't Well, one of them has to has to be a number. >> Right. >> That's it. >> They'll pick one of them. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And after that happens, I guess then we can talk about um

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I I guess trying to form some road map to see how we can be helpful or try to combine or whether you want us to designate a member uh to represent the board. I mean, not that anybody can't go to a

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meeting anyway, but >> I think it makes sense to have somebody from the planning board on that uh committee. >> Yeah, I I I think it does to have a liaison or or a voting member to I don't know about what whatever way the board wants to

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constitute itself. >> Yeah, I mean I just Once they get the you know, either one of them if they're not going to stay on it or if they don't want to be on it at this point, they can get that squared away. And I'll talk with the selectmen and see which way to go. I've already talked with the building inspector and

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he said he wouldn't mind, but it would have to be during the daytime, 1:00 or so because he's not available at nights. But I mean I can still I can still meet with him at 1:00. I just want to get this done. Right. Believe me, I want to get this done. >> Um

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I I've got [clears throat] on our agenda for tonight for an internal discussion about zoning bylaws and see how the board wants to proceed here. I have some thoughts exclusive of the zoning bylaw review committee, things that we can recommend

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or suggest to zoning bylaw. >> Well, that would be great. I'd like to have your input. I mean Every one of you sent a copy of the presentation back in I think it was April 17th. The committee presented everything to

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you. You were each given a a copy of of the the bylaw review committee, what we were proposing. Uh there was some questions on it, but we never got a real response saying, "I don't like this. I don't like that." And

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that's what what I really need. I need that input from us. I mean I I understand you have problems with uh some of the whether the zoning board is going to be the the person that's going to be doing all the planning board. >> That's from a planning authority. >> Yeah.

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I have no problem with that. If that's if that's a big issue, then We we discussed it, but the result was basically this is what everyone else is doing. Personally, I don't really care. Who's in charge of

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whether it's the building or the zone? >> Whatever makes sense is fine with me. That's That's a minor issue in the whole the whole scheme of things. >> Yeah, it's it's the individual items that that probably more important, but

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>> What I did do, because I want to move this along, and I thought I was going to be able to get everything done today, but today didn't turn out to be the day I was thought. And since we were going to start talking about

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167 in static, this is what we did. And unfortunately, I didn't have time to make copies of the zoning board and the zone the zoning rules itself, the bylaws. I'm sure everyone can look on.

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Anything with a red dot is something that we changed. >> Thank you. >> A lot of it just it's just making more sense. It's probably more in line with what the laws are. Not too much has been really changed in

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this. >> This is This This is good. That's kind of my thinking when I was referring to earlier about some internal discussion how we wanted to proceed inside. >> And I only I only did 17 pages. I wasn't going to do the whole thing because you're never going to get through it tonight. But this is a start.

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>> It's the easy stuff, but it's to go through. It's the changes that are you know, fairly easy to go through. >> I said the red dot is What the red dot is anything that we changed. Yeah, everything else is exactly the same. >> So, we're going to have to kind of back reference to see what what it was.

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>> Exactly, right. >> So, when was this done? >> Excuse me? >> When was this done? >> What do you mean? >> This is this is our report. This is our final bylaw review. >> From the last year. >> last year, yes. This is This is what was

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presented to you back in 2017. That was a couple of years ago. >> Yeah, I know. >> A year ago, a year ago, yeah. I was trying to get a, you know, a red line one there. There are some things that they printed in red and a lot of things they didn't.

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So, when as I went through it piece by piece, I just put a red dot so that you could see it. >> The reason that I think it's really important on who does what is elected versus appointed positions and when

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So, there is very big importance on whether the town goes here or there. And like we really need to have a map going on on where people will go so that it's specific. It can't be just like the building inspector decides

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if it's small and then if it's cuz what's small? And that's all going to be very gray where it's going to be different determinations depending on >> Uh let me speak. >> determine depending on who's determining it. And it really that's why these boards

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are here is to represent represent the people and protect the bylaws of the town. So, there really needs to be a map of when it goes to planning board and it's all site plans should go to planning board. And zoning board is when you need a variance.

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And that's and other small things. But, you can't just have the building So, when you're doing these bylaws, make make it so everything's clear because that's the problem that everybody thinks that we have with our zoning bylaws is

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that they're they're gray areas, but they're not. It's just specifically about where they're mapped out. You can't make a gray area determination cuz that's what I had a problem with with the site plan review is that it was like

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a determination made by an appointed building inspector that can change and that can get confusing. >> Well, that's been something that's what we need to do. >> Okay. >> So, if that's something that you have a problem with, whatever portion of the

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land planning review, sure. Let's look at it. >> Right. So, if we itemize it all out that all site plans have to send in the full application and then then the planning board is the final decision. So, that when the site plan comes out and we have the 30 days to

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just to get all of the boards and maybe we cut it down to two meetings or something like that. But I'm fine with like bringing it in. But then we have to actually send out the plans and make sure that we urge those boards and

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departments to give us the feedback so that we cover ourselves from lawsuits. So, it's not just like, you know, if they have no comment or no problem with it, then they should just simply email back, "The fire department is fine with this. The police department says this is

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okay. The water department doesn't think that we're going to add too much weight to you know, add too much strain on the water supply." and so on and so forth. And then that way we have a clear set of what each board has said so that

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when we finalize the plan, we actually have safeguarded the town from lawsuits. And that makes it so that the planning board is the final say because that's what the planning board is supposed to do. If it

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needs a variance, it comes to us with the variance okay because it would be a otherwise, you know, if it needs a variance and then we go through all of these things and then the variance doesn't happen and these people just wasted all the time. So, that would be it. If you need a variance, go to the

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zoning board first. Then the site plan comes to the planning board if it's a commercial, industrial, or subdivision and it comes to us and we get to look at the whole plan and make sure that every department and every

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board has their say and finishes before we sign off. That's how I read in the site plan application to be and that's why when it comes in and all of the things are checked off on where it needs to go, it would just be

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easiest the map vote is here. Then we won't end up sending things to conservation that might not be signed off. Does that make sense to you? And then and then we have three changes and it never came back to this to the

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planning board and now we have a lawsuit going on and this has literally happened over the last year and a half on not following the bylaw on what makes sense is that every other board has to sign off before we like

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yeah, subject to this because we're the ones who have to check to make sure that everybody else did what they did so that we can sign off on the final product and protect the town from a lawsuit. That's like what we do today.

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>> Does that say that in the bylaw? What you just said? Does the bylaws tell you to tell us to do that? No. Because what what what come back when we would try to do this here, they said that your plan to do it very big. So, that's why we tried to make changes

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to it. But, what is vague? They didn't tell us what that meant to us. But, I mean, if you have something that you want to put in, which you're just saying to put into the bylaws, that's fine. That's great. >> Well, that's why I think it should be a board that has all of these different

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uh somebody from conservation, somebody from planning, somebody And the And the reason is, Jerry, is because we spent roughly $50,000 on doing a rewrite that now we're going back to the drawing board again, and we're going to commit

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the same mistake unless we have everybody sitting down and going through >> done that. We've already done that. What we have here >> But, it failed. >> But, it it didn't fail. It didn't fail because you didn't you didn't want to go with it. But, when we asked for you to

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give us give us some input, give us What questions What didn't you like? Just Just give us that. But, I mean, you both were very second >> Yeah, we could do that. Yeah, and we could do that. >> And if whatever you don't like, but we've already done it. So, why restart something that we've already done?

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That's what I don't understand. >> Because there were a lot of things in it that were not okay. >> But, what What are the lot of things? >> I If you watch that here >> That's why That's why I'm pointing these things out, and if you review them and you say, "Okay, we don't like this. Let's take it out." Well, let's review

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why you don't like it. >> we just all sit down at the same table with all of the different boards so that we have all the different criteria, and we don't waste more time and money. Because, Jerry, like, no offense, like, your own zoning great. But, two people from finance, they don't know zoning.

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>> But, they But, they have >> don't have an understanding >> They have the intelligence to look at the jump I don't want to argue this over and over again, you know? I really don't. >> Well, I want to I don't want to spend the town's money. That would be, you know >> I don't [clears throat] want to spend another dollar. I don't want to spend another We spent money on it when we did it.

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>> It's over a third of the annual When I was on the board with you, the first attorney we had a fight because you never came to any meetings. >> That's not true. >> It is true. You You go back to your notes. The first attorney we How many times did we request him to be at the meetings and

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they never made it? >> Well, I'll look back at my notes on that, but we all met and we went through the chapters and we were doing it. And then the board went down to five people and there's nobody from any of the boards that have an experience on how these things happen to do the bylaws

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correctly and that's why they failed. >> Yeah, but a lot of this stuff here is all >> And you're doing it again. >> You're going to be arguing to no end here. And just to clarify, the planning board did not endorse the changes and it got passed over at

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town meeting. There was no vote. The only vote was the planning board voted to whether to endorse it or not endorse it. The planning board did not endorse it. >> That's what I said. >> And no one here was involved in any of this process. Some of these things that were brought

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up just now are procedural items. And some of the things that need to be worked out procedurally, I see as an internal thing, not necessarily bylaws. One of the things I'd like to see is I'd like to see any application that comes into the town, even like for a building permit,

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should have a zoning determination before it goes anywhere. Is it allowed? Is it not allowed? Before it even gets down the pipeline. Um but I don't know that that's necessarily a bylaw or a procedural item. I I think that we're talking about two different things. That's two different things

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completely. Exactly. And some of the things that were just brought up are actually procedurally in the bylaws already. It spells out pretty much what requires a special permit, what doesn't require a special permit or a variance and and what board it needs to go to. Maybe we need to look to see, as I think

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you alluded to earlier, as to which board needs to address what particular thing. >> That's fine. Sure. >> Yeah. Those things we can we can look at. I think a lot of what just came up was procedural items that we can talk about internally, the procedural stuff.

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I I think for this board's purpose, 167 is the perfect place to start. And and we need to look at what you folks did and then discuss what we think might work, and then we can work together and see how we can hash something out.

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Or maybe just take what was done. Maybe we don't find anything that where we find >> I think when you go through it, obviously there's probably going to be some items that you have a problem with. That's that's That happens all the time. >> And then we can kick those I mean, go through all of them.

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>> Yeah. But when we had the building inspector, whether it's a planner or >> He's not even from the town. >> It doesn't matter. He's the building inspector. He He's He's the authority. >> And there's only one >> He's the authority What's the zoning laws? He is.

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>> Great. But it's it's a a job that gets turnover all the time, and these these things are about property protection. >> It's Well, it's about property protection, and it's also about whether you get a building inspector that changes, it's all That's going to

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happen. That happens all the time. >> Mhm. >> But these people are very intelligent. They're not They're not people that are >> I didn't That's not what I said. >> I know, but that's That's You're inferring that whatever they say doesn't mean anything. That's not true. >> No, I'm saying that the board should be

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well versed so that because it's property protection for the people who own prop- um property in the town of Halifax, not just I mean, no no offense, but finance committee doesn't know how it goes over on this side. So, like you have it >> They have They have an understanding of of what we what

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we've done. If you really look at the It's just organizational. That's how everything is put together so that someone can just go up and read this here and understand exactly what they have to do. >> And you want the enforcement officer's point of view because they're on the front lines enforcing. >> And you want planning and you want

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conservation and you want the full you want everybody to be sitting at the table so that the point of view will be there, not piecemeal. And this is the thing. >> [snorts] >> It's in fair or else it would have gone to town meeting. >> It did go to town meeting and we passed it over.

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>> Oh my god. I'm not buying it. It didn't go to No, it was not voted town meeting that failed the meeting. Right. Well, whatever. That doesn't even make any sense, Tom. It failed not even to make it there because it wasn't right. The people deserve to have this looked at properly.

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>> Yeah, who's saying that? Nobody wants to do that. You're making your argument saying that people don't want to do it correctly. I think There are There are some hot items in this here that you don't like then present it. Most of this here is

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just organizational. It's making it easy to We didn't change a lot of rules. We didn't change a lot of bylaws. We might have added a few here and there, but if those that have been added >> The site plan you were given like all the different conditions. >> Okay, the site plan we can look at.

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>> And >> Right, and that's something that was passed at town meeting. But you're looking at one item and you want to throw this whole thing out the window. That's not the whole point. >> That is not what I said. I said that the people going over it we should have somebody from every every elected board >> But what I'm saying right now

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>> down and going >> I understand what you're saying, but you're looking at the document that we did and you're saying this is trash. >> No, I didn't say that. But >> But that's what you're insinuating. >> What I am saying is that this should be done fully and completely with nine people so

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that we have all the different points of view and we don't fail again because it let's just say we need another $50,000. You keep that actually takes away from funding that we're so desperately in need of. >> any more money. Right now, we we just

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want what you have have a problem with. I'm not asking a lawyer to attend any meetings. I just want to know what you don't approve of what we've done. This is this is the same bylaw that you have. What you're going to see right

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there, there's a few changes in there. Well, before we think we >> This is not going to go anywhere. >> It's not. It's not. We're going to be haggling over the whole thing. >> Following up from where we are, one of the things I was going to propose that we do is we

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start taking a look at sections. We can look at this as a reference, look at what's existing as a reference, and see if we have any recommendations. As far as all other boards and everything else, that's up to the other boards too to get involved if they want to get involved. >> Number four.

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>> Not everybody has to be on this only bylaw review committee. This is a but anybody it's an open meeting, anybody can come in. Any boards that's interested can come in and offer their suggestions and and criticisms. Well, yeah, great. Yeah, so yeah.

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For the purposes >> Without a vote or any anything like that. So, that's just it's just not right Tom. >> So, what are we going to have? 100 people on this thing? >> No, back to nine the way it should be. >> Oh, and your problem is the nine because you believe that we have

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>> fair. There's people that are um >> Why not why not 15? Why not 15? >> Don't make fun of this. This is this is a serious thing. >> You're making it more than it needs to be. >> No, it's very serious because it's actually protecting people's property rights, which is what we do as real

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estate agents. We go around and we make sure that all of these things comply and we make sure that these things happen. >> All right, I'm not going to get into an argument with you because this is going to go absolutely nowhere. >> Um MBTA has a needs to be taken out of the that >> If you notice that I have I have I have the red

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>> Is that what the red Oh, so the red mark means >> mark that has to come out. >> Mhm. >> It hasn't been approved, so it shouldn't be in there. But this here was something that that was before the vote was taken. >> No, it wasn't. It was after. >> No, it was before.

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>> You presented it to us in April after we said no to it. >> No. It was It was May that we said no to it. >> No, we said no in May. >> in December. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So that needs to come out. >> That's what the red mark is for. >> Okay. >> It's coming out.

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>> And so we're not doing the medical marijuana treatment facility either. >> The medical marijuana, the two of them, we have to go by the state laws. There's a lot of things that have changed in there. >> a red mark next to it. >> Well, that's because it changed. If you look at what I said, you take these red

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marks, you went to the existing bylaws, that's the items that were changed. I didn't have time to print out anything in my house that was didn't have time to do that. >> Let's pick a path forward. I think that's what we need to do at this moment.

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What would you like from the planning board? >> Well, what I I lost from the beginning this this document that we have is the basis that you can look at. I red lined the items that were changed. A lot of items that are there put in the in there

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because of the laws that we have to meet with the the state. And it's just broken down. If you read everything in there they're pretty much exactly what's worded in the other one. They're just presented differently. >> Yeah, I noticed the first two, it's just more clarification. I've seen this and just broke it out and

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say I see it's more clarification here. So I see that. >> But it's not a lot there. A lot of things that are in we put everything in alphabetical order. That just seems common sense to me. This is what you can find. I hate to say it, but it's just common sense. >> makes sense. >> Okay. The other thing we did, we took

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everything that was pertaining to commercial buildings or whatever, multi-family housing. Everything everything in there is under one item. When you say multi-family housing, everything that that was in the bylaws is listed under that one item. So, you don't go looking all over the

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place to find it. >> Yeah, and that's what we're saying. >> That's what I'm doing right now. >> I'm looking for something. >> Yeah, I don't know where it is in here. >> That's what I'm doing right now. >> And I understand with alphabetizing, but the function of how these boards work is not going to

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that gray area that was produced by it. Absolutely. Absolutely not, cuz that's just too much determination by one person, and that creates gray area. >> Well, it's Tell us what you don't what you want. Tell Put it in writing. You can tell me

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one thing and then, you know, it's like everything else. You say this, you tell it to Tom, Tom tells it to >> So, you want to say >> By the time it gets over here, it's got nothing to do with you said. >> Right, so you you want all that to be >> I like I like you. When you comment, write down why why you don't like it or what you what you what you want to have

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done with it. Give me your opinion. If this item is not something you like, tell me what you like. I'm not here to say don't don't tell me that. That's what I'm looking for. >> [clears throat] >> I mean, you know, to have nine people on the board with everyone involved, I

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mean, what are we doing? >> At least they should have something to do with They should at least have something to do with anything in conservation. >> Whatever we say in the wetland, that's that's what the bylaw is. >> Well, first of all, and again, check to make sure that finance committee is

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actually legal legally being able to be on these boards, because from my understanding of the law, they're not. And that's And that's a heavy load to run be able from finance. Because they run because they run

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because they run >> I don't know the answer to that. >> Well, if that's that's the case, then that's the case. Yeah, I'm not I'm just telling you the people I met on these boards were fantastic. They all had great ideas and they just wanted to know why this was this why why you having this bylaw.

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>> So we >> the bylaw and then they decided to say, "Oh, all right, I understand that a little bit. Maybe we have to change it." >> Yeah, it's Trump. And and we don't we don't have it's not our purview to be talk it's the selectmen who decide how many people are on this committee. So

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it's the selectmen who either make that determination. >> So I wasn't on the planning board when this came through and so Amy Amy's point was the procedural stuff, right? Of who's goes first and who goes last. What other points

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didn't people like on this in this document? It was that the whole reason why we turned it down was because of who was in charge. >> That's the part that I wrote my notes on. >> I think we should probably start there cuz everything in this document that we glanced over is pretty much the same as right right

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here, just a little bit different, right? >> The presentation was >> 167-1, 167-2, none of this has changed. >> Well, we're not talking about definitions and stuff being the problem. >> That's what I'm trying to get at. >> Right. Well, so this seems that this

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stuff we brought here today, Jerry, seems great, right? So this is a good start. I think we need to >> Great start, Jerry. >> Yeah, great start. I think this is cuz I'm reading it here and reading it here and it's much easier to follow it here, to be honest with you. So >> And if you write it in there that bylaw,

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that was one thing it was only industrial but now it's it's in business. That was passed at that same uh meeting. >> We tackle our problem head on The hardest thing first. So, let's tackle the hardest things first and then make up and go after these easy stuff

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after, right? Like So, I think we should >> That's great. You you start at the beginning and you start going through you can Okay, that's done. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, let's go to the next section. The next section is going to be the tough one. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> No question. That's going to be tough. But, when you go through some of this here, one of the things I changed in

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that day was uh multi-family uh is possible in the hands definition. Because the lot was causing all kinds of problems. So, household land just takes that lot out of the equation. >> How do we do we have to >> We need We need a copy of all the all of

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the rules of the the uh that the courts come down with and to change some language. >> We also don't incorporate ADUs in any of the >> No, but what we do is >> Because they have We take it out here is

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the >> in-law >> in-law apartments because ADUs taken I've taken out of here. >> The state has some really specific Yeah. >> So, there's there's a bunch of things that we have to we have to follow the laws by. >> Well, that actually has to be either A, go in front of town meeting and adopted.

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>> Yeah, all of this has to go in front of town meeting. >> Yeah, but ADUs specifically need to go in front of the town and adopt it and then they you make your own specific ADU laws based on what the town would want. That's not It's And And you only take it if the town wants to.

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>> You have a very narrow window of changes you can make to the state by law. You have to stay within the guidelines. And it's a state law. Right now, the fact that we don't address it at all does not prevent you from building one as long as you comply with the state laws. You can

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put some conditions on that as to like, for instance, um if you want to do uh a detached ADU, you need a site plan would be. You can do that. If you want make it prevented. However, you do you also at the same

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time do not need to take it as a mandate cuz it's being mandated. >> Yes, you do. It is state law. >> [clears throat] >> If you somebody wants to build an ADU as long as you meet the state requirements, you still have to meet setback requirements of the town. The general bylaws.

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But if you can do that, you can build it. You'll get a building permit. That's not preventing. What you want to do is you want to put some language in there that can regulate it to the extent you can regulate it. >> Right. >> For instance >> Right. >> site plan reviews, when a site plan

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review is required. You can make some you know, internally if you're doing it inside the four walls, you have a problem. There isn't much you can do about it. As long as you keep it within the setback of 900 square feet. >> Got 900 square feet setback. That's how it's on the entrance. >> Yeah.

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So so, you know, we need to spell it out so that to your point earlier, so people know what they're doing and it isn't correct. >> Or that you're going to some place and get two or three different answers. Right. Cuz cuz that comes up a lot. >> Right, exactly.

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>> My thoughts exactly. >> Thank you. I think what we should do going on to the next step here is decide how we want to handle it. Take this section kind of go through it, everybody get some opinions, and then when we meet again,

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we can discuss those things and see if we want to make some recommendations. >> Okay. >> I think that's the appropriate way to do it. >> think then if we don't necessarily have to wait until the organizational >> No, we can do that. >> things are at the meeting out of the

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week that we can do this on our our own separate moment and then and then when you get the bylaws steering all committee put together, selectmen and and then >> We can present to you our thoughts and concerns. >> Right. When when you're ready, you know, when you're ready for it.

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>> I think that's what you I was going to say I think that's what you're looking at. It's really not that bad. >> [laughter] >> And thank you for providing these. I mean that you know and I'll do with the next one. If I see something that isn't red line, you know, I've asked is this the latest copy I can get? This is April

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30th. Uh and that's that's the last one that was presented to anyone. So there was a few things that and I I go through it because I know we made changes and I know it was it wasn't a change to Well, it didn't matter. If we made changes to anything, I had to redline it

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so that you could read it read the old one so you would understand why we did what we did. You know. I think too in the in the same breath Do we do we do this as as as part of our regular meetings or do you think we need a need to do this as a

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separate meetings that we just do just do the zoning and not You know, cuz they could be nights that we go two or three hours on on different applications or what not and would have to postpone and postpone or is it something that should or has to be done

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as separate suggestions on that. I think we can put it in Yeah, I would think that would be the best way to start. You know, and then wow, this is really getting involved. We need more time than this then we can take it from there. But I assume that you would do some of this on

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your own and make Oh, yeah. suggestions. Yeah. So I think we should keep it on the agenda going forward. Obviously, if we have we seems pretty quiet compared to how it used to be. But but [laughter] you know,

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we have a lot of appointments. Maybe we just skip over it that that meeting. But let's keep it going and get some traction. put it on for the last item so we can get all our business done first. Yeah. What I'll do is I'll get all of your emails from the the town anyhow. I will

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send you a copy of this April 30th. >> The whole the whole document. Thank you. >> Yeah, that's right. I I I can't [clears throat] I obviously I can't locate anything on it. It's the red line is where the problem is on it. As you things would change if it wasn't

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redlined prior to that then this certain things I I I keep on reading. If I see something wrong, I say, "Well, this wasn't marked." So, I'll mark it. But, uh Yeah, and I'll try and do some I'll try and do that anyhow and I'll send it along. But, that way there you can look

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at that. I mean, a lot of things Anything that was in marijuana is all in marijuana. That's a separate issue. Anything in the wireless is now in all all in wireless. It's a separate issue. It's it's separate. Just because you you don't want to start reading something here in the wireless and you say, "Well, why isn't it in the wireless over here?"

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>> Well, nobody has an issue with that part. >> Well, that's Well, that's those are the things that you Okay, so you look at that and say, "Okay, we didn't change anything." That's okay. >> You can avoid You can avoid the problem. >> So, now you're looking at the the main bulk of what's going on and then you can say, "Okay, here's where we have

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problems." And then resolve it. But, if if we get to that point then we don't we don't really need to hire you. Obviously, legal has to look at it. But, we'll be at the point where we have a document that's pretty well squared away.

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I mean, even when I even when we start up the the bypass committee I mean, what are we going to do? Because we're still waiting for input. >> Right. Right. >> Exactly. That's what I mean. >> Yeah, but that you know we we've got a document. At least [clears throat] I believe that we have a good document.

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You know, this could Well, things could change in it. Yeah, you sure. More things can change. Everything changes over time. >> Yeah. >> But, at least we'll have something that it's it's easier to read. It's more focused. And we go from there. That's all. >> And it could be done to bring to the meeting

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>> Yeah, bring to the meeting. Yeah. >> we which to do our And then give them something. >> Planning and zoning pretty much go together. When you look at it, this that's the way it works. And as far as you know, procedural, I agree with you 100% of stuff. How things

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should work in the the town is to how things go to. I mean, our biggest thing is we can't do any we can't do anything on on approving anything until conservation does their end. Because things could change. And now we've approved something

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from the board and we have to do it again. So there's there's all kinds of little thing are we even planning? You can change something that's on the drawing and we've already approved it. So now we have to resend that and wait till we can go back again, man, and yeah, then redo it. I know it's cumbersome. There's no

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question about that. >> Well, that's why it's supposed to be that planning the whole thing is is that it makes sure the town plans correctly. It's not about what we can do to be developers. It's about >> It's showing you >> It's supposed to be that we're the final say.

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>> It's different than changing the whole bylaw again. It's different. >> Huh? >> It's procedures are different than what the bylaws are. >> Well, our old application for site plan that should still be being used because we don't have the electronic submission in our bylaw yet.

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>> Well, bylaws we can change. >> Yeah. >> And it should match our our original application even when it is online. Is very clear if you think about it because all of these things have to happen and then it and then to make sure

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that like you just said, you can't say yes to something unless conservation says yes. >> Yes, yeah. >> Well, >> Well, there's always going to be >> There's been a couple of such times very recently that we've done that opposite and we've had a lawsuit in the town because of that and I always thought

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that we should wait until that was done. And it's to protect the people of this town. >> Well, I'll say >> This is our job. 285 Home Street. >> That's because >> They went to court with conservation because of the conservation to determine >> let it go to conservation because of

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three and you you guys voted to allow planning board to be done subject to conservation in October of 2024 and that is the whole reason that the plan never came back to us directly and that we have problems and that there was a lawsuit.

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>> of them. >> That would have been a way that would have been a lawsuit. >> Well, wasn't that originally all [clears throat] waived It was all waived by the planning board from the first one? >> Yeah, yeah, the first time around all of that was all waived. >> They didn't even take it up. >> Yes, it was All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right. Let's talk about 167 not

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>> But no, this is a discussion on why these things have to be this way and the example because when they let it go, it was subject to conservation and that's how it all it it all happened and that's the point. >> What about the cons- conservation is the way to go. But let's end this. I just

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have one point to that and then we'll end it. But and that I struggle with this. So but our job is the planning is the site plan, right? We can't >> It's to make sure that everything is done so that that is the final plan when we sign off on it.

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>> It's never the final plan cuz if it went to conservation and they approved it and then it comes to planning board and we say, "We don't like this here. Can you move it over there?" They may have to go back to conservation. So final is never the final. There's always another step.

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>> That's wrong, Tom. >> Yeah. Okay, well. James, that's what we have. Uh we'll continue to do this here and I'll redline them. Now I'll let you know and I'll send I'll send the documents to all of you. But Eagle Bridge is the final one that we have.

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And the next time we going to where we going to dice here is if you go back. >> Well, I I I'm going to propose that we put this on our next agenda and give everybody a chance. I was also going to bring up, not that this has anything to do with that, was that we

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cancel the first meeting in July um cuz it's going to be a difficult time to even get a quorum cuz it's early in July. >> Some of >> So, we should be able to have some extra time to go over this and maybe at our next meeting uh for the second meeting in July we'll

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be able to give you some feedback. >> Some of it. >> Yeah, that's right. >> I have a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. I. >> All those opposed? >> So, the next meeting will be the 16th. >> 16th.

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>> So, we'll meet again on the 16th. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, Jerry. >> Yeah, very helpful. >> I don't think you have to come back to the next one, sir. >> [laughter] >> We'll call you when we need you. >> I'll be listening. >> [laughter] >> The uh last couple things we have for

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tonight um for the meeting minutes for 319 57 and 521 26. Has everybody had a chance to look at 319?

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>> Yes. >> The 319 was brought forward or something. >> Yeah, yeah, we put it off. >> Because I I hadn't read it. >> You want to talk about Walmart? >> I was going to do this first. Yeah, yeah.

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Um I was approached by Walmart. >> Well, we went over the minutes. I'll I'll make a motion to accept the minutes of uh 31926. >> I was reading them. That's why I said you want to talk about Walmart while then so that we can get that done. >> This is really quick. I was approached

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by Walmart. They want to They're coming in for a modification of the site plan that they want to put a 6,100 sq ft addition on the easterly side of the building, which would be the right-hand side of the wall. Um they want to expand their pickup area.

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Um they want to try to keep keep the most commonly used items in that area so that they don't have people with carts running through the store getting in everybody's way. >> So, that's the as you're standing on Plymouth Street looking at Walmart, it

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would be to the left side of the building? >> To the right-hand side. >> Okay, it would be the right side. Okay. >> Yeah. >> I think that we should just tell them to follow our site plan modification and planning. >> They wanted to know if they wanted anything in addition to that. >> [snorts] >> Well, I mean, they should send in

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the plan how it needs to be >> Yeah. >> and then the modifications that they're asking for >> Yeah. >> by following our site plan application. >> I looked at that and it couldn't agree with you more because that's what they did the last time. They They had an idea

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and they wanted us to do the work for them. You know, can this apply to this exactly. >> Send in the application. >> They can read them and see if there's anything special they wanted. That's all. >> And they especially want it. >> Well, I can follow 16728 and put in an application for site plan. I make that

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motion. >> Right. >> You want to second it? >> [clears throat] >> You said you couldn't agree. >> I I don't think well, I I do know that that basically that was just my opinion of what happened the last time. They sent a letter yeah.

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And and what do we need for >> I don't like this was that. I think I wanted to I just think it should match the front as is. >> What I thought was they should also present the plan of the existing plan of the last plan which I can't remember. I think it was 2013 or

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2014 when they did the complete renovation of the store. I [clears throat] brought up in my mind I'm thinking about the parking. Parking was the big thing. Our parking requirements are one per 100 square feet which is about 1,000 square 1,000 parking spots for that particular

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purpose. I asked specifically how many parking spots this was going to affect and the person I spoke to I can't remember her name. And I said approximately 21 spots. So, I said well you're going to have to come in that plan's going to have to show where all those spots are being made up

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or what you're what you're planning to do with those or are you looking for things? Those are the kinds of things that we're looking for anything extraordinary outside the bylaw that we would be looking for cuz the bylaw doesn't say show us the last parking plan. Um so

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>> Yeah, but the bylaw says well one parking space per 100 feet of selling space. So, it's very specific. >> But the planning board also at the time waived the requirements and they green area or whatever. So, you know Do you do you

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I just wanted to have some feedback from anybody that wanted anything specific. That's all cuz that's not necessarily covered in the bylaw. >> So, I need to send the site plan for our applicate for for our for our bylaws? >> I agree with Bruce also. That I'd like to see it match

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>> match >> what's there cuz I know that they did that that was part of the deal I think. >> What do you mean like >> Just with the structure with the you know with the dog houses, things like that. Match that to some big old steel building that's coming off the end of it. >> Instead of a horrible addition that

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doesn't match, is that what you meant? I thought you meant that it needed to be like matched up to go >> No, no, no, no, no. I just mean I wanted the the the side to look the same. The door moves and the windows have to look the same. That was kind of the original deal. I think you guys were telling me when >> Well, I mean that seems like It's good

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to make a point of it, but that seems like a no-brainer. [clears throat] >> They're going to think they're going to do it, you know, you would think they're doing that, but just now This is a good thing. >> [laughter] >> It's a lot cheaper now to >> If anybody had any thoughts, anything specific that we were thinking about It's easier to tell them and have them

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bring them in than to stretch this out for another three meetings. >> Sure. >> Well, if they follow our bylaws and they don't >> doesn't say anything about that. >> But it does in the decision letter that's recorded at the registry of deeds. >> Yeah. >> So they tell them to look at that, make sure that they follow the decision

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letter >> Yep. >> and and be concurrent with it and follow the bylaws and send in the application. >> So all I'm asking is something specific if you want to something specific. I think that there's just in my own personal experience way back when,

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I do think their security system has to be upgraded. There have been plenty of instances in the parking lot, stolen property, break-ins, that type of thing and they they go to get the video of of of an instance of what happened and you can't

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read a license plate, you can't it and they've been talking about upgrading upgrading and upgrading even security, their old security. >> something we can bring up. >> Yeah, you said something specific, right? >> Yeah, yeah, but it's in the plans. It's really kind of >> Yeah, got you. >> You know, I

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I wanted to see the original the last revised plan so we can juxtapose that to what they're doing and how they're going to handle the parking. >> I think it also has to be adjusted about up the outside sales that goes on there. You know, they're going to put $6100 addition on where they take

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We worked it out one point how how many parking spaces they eliminated by putting the uh the mulch bags and uh stone and the crushed rocks and uh >> Yeah, but that's all stuff that we can bring up with the city. >> specifically you said specifically said

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>> dates that they already did without >> never you never had a permit for outside so there's no matter. >> I don't think they ever came back to you on >> I don't think they did. >> we had a vice president show up. It was a I think it might have been the same lady that you were referring to earlier.

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Oh, we're going to address that or address that and then every year stuff is still all out there and it takes up a good two columns going going all all the way down. And then when it's after the season, they eliminate it but in the same breath, too.

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>> I have a question. Does this sound crazy that is that parking lot ever full? >> No. >> Okay. >> Christmas time it's it's pretty full. >> But you can't you can't you can't find a spot though, right? >> No. Christmas time This Christmas Christmas has changed. >> Yeah, I just saying I just the parking,

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you know, I I know it's we have it in the laws. I'm just curious if like oh yeah, that's they got rid of the have all the mulch stuff there and there's people can't park anywhere there. >> I think actually in the original plan from 1992 that there is a breakdown of the square

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footage parking spaces in the green area. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, that it was it didn't meet the bylaw requirement. However, uh they put a special type of paver down so it wouldn't have to be asphalted. That way the houses on Nonantum Street

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weren't getting the runoff from the asphalt and neither were the houses out on Lincoln Street getting the runoff from thousands of square feet of asphalt. >> Yeah, and it had impervious surface. >> Yeah, so it's impervious. You just got that. >> And the fence that was back there and

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the arborvitae and all that kind of >> They did put the lights up. They They did laugh. >> Yeah. >> For the potential >> Well, they did that specifically what they said was was for the for the if the town kids wanted to use it for soccer or

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T-ball or something and that that was the general idea. We'll comply with it and make it as Yeah. user-friendly as possible. >> Mhm. Okay. >> You have to identify yourself first. >> Chris Wanax 129 Circuit Street. Just throwing it out there as an idea.

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Is there any way with this process to maybe get them to help work with the town with the big problems they having at the Halifax beach? You're just saying parking spots and they're allowing multitude of parking spots to be taken up by boat trailers and everything.

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Is there something you can work into I >> I'd have to look at plans to see if that's even feasible for access and >> I know like originally, you know, with all the neighbors out there having there was a petition

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for trucks running and stuff like that. Somehow they could work with the town with some expedition. >> Yeah. Yeah. I >> I was asking for >> No, not for parking. Not for parking. That's to allow it to jet skis to park. I mean, you're talking about taking a certain number of space, but they're allowing all these spaces to be taken up

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by boat trailers. Are people not even using that business? >> I misunderstood you. That >> Maybe it could be two birds with one stone to help the town out. >> Yeah, well, the town >> Technically, it's not an accessible parking spot, so that can be enforced. I'm pretty sure the requirement was

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1,000 square 1,000 parking spots. >> Just in a logical way to help the town out cuz the town is having that big problem. Yeah. What's going on, you know, in the neighborhood right behind them and they they're using all the spaces and all of us park in a lot for that.

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>> All right. I think that pretty much covers it, right? I don't think there's anything else except for the minutes. We'll go back to those. >> But that uh I agree with Amy, that's where we're That's the place to start right there is uh check with the bylaws and then submit

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in an application and then we'd be happy to talk to you. >> And that decision letter that's recorded at the registry of deeds. >> As a reference point. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz there's a lot of things in that that they need to follow. >> Well, that was That was pretty good decision letter. They have to maintain

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the fences and everything else. >> Okay. Brian, you're going to make a motion on the uh minutes? >> I I don't think a motion is necessary on the minutes. Oh, oh, for the minutes. We'll go back to the minutes maybe. I'll make a motion to How's it look?

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If anything changes, completion, or I'll make a motion to accept the minutes of 3 19 26 as presented. >> I will second. >> Moved and seconded to accept them. Minutes of 3 19 26. All those in favor? >> I.

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>> All those opposed? I's have it. >> I'll make a motion to accept the minutes of uh 5 7 26 as presented. >> I have one change that um the building commissioner of Grogan top of the second page was acting as the

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planner at that meeting. >> Um He was? >> Mhm. >> Okay. Yeah. I'm I'm not disagreeing. But he was. >> Yeah. I am. So, I would make it with that change where it says building commissioner acting as planner.

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>> Did you correct that? >> Okay. >> Okay. Good. >> Okay. Um may I have a second? >> Do you want to see that or do you Everybody good with that? >> I'm good with that. >> I'm good with that. >> I was just going to second it on a second and vote it. >> Go ahead.

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>> I second with the amended change. >> Yeah. >> With the amendment change it. >> Yes, the amendment change sure. >> Okay. >> I make a motion. >> Yeah. >> Second. >> I think we already made the motion, right? >> Yes, this is what we have. >> I'll agree to the amendment. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> All the addition.

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>> Thank you. >> All those in favor? >> Aye. >> All those opposed? >> That's my [ __ ] talking. >> I'm sorry. >> That's okay. >> I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of May 21st, 2026 as presented.

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>> I'll second. >> 5/21/26 >> 5/21/26 >> To accept the minutes of May 21st, >> They were emailed to us today. >> All those in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> All those opposed? >> And then happy 4th of July and

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I'm done. >> Enjoy the week off. >> Motion to adjourn? >> Motion to adjourn. >> I'll second. >> How many motions are there in all of these? >> Put me on the back page. >> B R U C >> I'm closing it down.

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>> Too soon. >> We have a motion and a second to adjourn. We need a vote. All those in favor to adjourn? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Anybody opposed? >> [music] >> Mhm.