[Music] All right, see that it's uh 7:00. I'm going to uh open a meeting of the
Halifax Planning Board uh for uh let's say May 1st, 2025. Uh the meeting is taking place in the uh selectman's meeting room of the great hall 700 p.m. Um making note that uh the open meeting
and the planning board meeting is being recorded by area 58 and can be reviewed on YouTube. Present at the meeting is a full board, Brennan Elliott, Amy TR, Tom Millius, Rick Mary, and myself, Bert
Gana. Uh, do I have a motion to accept the agenda as presented? I have a motion to amend it. Amend it to at last meeting we had the zoning bylaw review. Yes, we will do
that as discussions. Yes. So, I um I didn't see it added on the one that was online. So, I was amending the agenda to include discussion and possible vote on the review of the zoning bylaw review um
the zoning bylaws for town meeting. There's a motion on the floor. Do I have a second? Second. A motion and a second to include on the agenda where it says to discuss the uh zoning zoning bylaw changes changes
on the uh that it would be appearing on the this year's town warrant. Uh I'll ask for a voice vote. Uh Brendan, yes. Amy, yes. Myself, yes. Tom, yes. And Rick, sure. I think all we can do is decide whether they're going to vote or not because of this. Well, we can
discuss them as well, but I also I don't think so. I mean, we had a hearing. We voted to have this discussion on this and the board can discuss after the hearing's closed. So, we did vote for that and it was a four to zero vote. That was I just don't recall doing that,
but that's fine. We did I do have to vote to make a recommendation, not recommend or basically abstain completely. But uh again the the uh meeting was the hearing
was uh last week and uh there was a discussions and points made from the board. However, I think I do think it's important to note that uh we can't make changes on on on the zoning
bylaws here on the on the board. I mean, you certainly you can discuss it and have your opinions and whatnot, but uh that any changes or amendments have to happen on the town floor at at town meeting. Okay. So, uh with that uh
Okay. So, well, all right. So, what what since we didn't have our folders here and any agendas, what were the uh I'll have to look it up on my phone. We had some hearings that got cancelled, right? Yeah. So, I wanted to go over and
of course I don't have any documentation to make sure, but what were the dates on the site plan reviews? And I remember one being very close to today. So, now what do you mean the dates on the sub plan? We have 45 days until we have
constructive Oh, that's what you meant. Okay. So, I don't want to not have that in front of us right now so that we can maybe by accident let somebody go to constructive approval. Is there any documents that
can we have Caesar open up this so that we can have the documents in front of us like site plan application so that we can do our job? I don't know if we can access the room. I thought uh I was on the impression we could, but uh we can
check with uh Caesar. He said no, no, no. On here, you know how they have uploaded stuff? Yeah, that's what I mean. Have Caesar put it up. Let me go check. What am I done? Excuse me. Okay.
Yeah, I think 5 539 Plum Street might be close. That's the one I was mo most likely thinking of. Um, but it would be good that even if they weren't here, we might still have things to do and we have
meeting minutes that aren't here. I just feel like we don't have anything to do with our planning board meeting here tonight and that's just not really okay. Well, there's a issue. Yes, there have been illnesses. going in the town hall and Danielle has been in for the last
couple of days as well as all the members. I would have come in and got the things ready if I knew. I'm sorry. I would have come in and got things ready for the meeting if I knew. Hey buddy, I think it happened yesterday. Yesterday or the day before? One or the other? No, day before.
What would you like? Um, hold on because I'm trying to see what just do downloaded. Thank you, Brandon. Um, download Is there a Oh, so we don't have an agenda. Yeah, I'm trying to open that up so I
can see it. I thought I had printed one at home, but I must have left it on my printer. So, what's the What have you been talking about? Which which plan? Um, one
sec. When did they add ads to this? Okay. So, we have 350A industrial drive site plan review. Now, I feel like we put an extension for him at the last meeting to the beginning of June. Is
this correct? Is this a memory? That That's kind of my recollection. And I think it was because we were running close to it and he needed to do some work on his site plan. Yes. Because we had the points from Pat
Brennan that he needed to address. Right. And then 539 Plymouth Street is the other one. So let's do one at a time. Where would their uh you plans site plan? Maybe. Yeah. But
this is the actual site plan. What's the deed on it? Do you see? Um 320. No, 3625. So, we were dangerously close to it in the beginning of May. So, we asked them for an extension of 30 days, I
believe, cuz he wanted to keep it right. And from what I understand, they're the ones that cancelled tonight, both of them, right? And that's the danger of that whole thing. Right. Exactly. And then the other one, thank you, Bren. 3 uh
359. That was the uh the nursery next to the post office. Wasn't he going to get in contact with an engineer? 5 made some recommendations to and uh place the building and that kind of thing with some set patch. So I just want to know what day he
December 14th or no? Yeah, that was his only site. Um proposal date on that and nursery plan. So that one looks like he gave it to us
sometime in midappril which would then mean that the 45 days if I'm correct that is we'd at least have one more meeting before 17 they modify if that was the date that they did the application what we can do is
extend it to June and and so that would be 13 have to come in and agree but we could extend it to June but day of 45 days. So there's it it appears that we have 15 13 or 15 days and then we have
another 30 left. So it would cover May if I'm correct. But our next meeting meet because of town meeting assuming if town meeting goes to a Thursday night. Um cuz town meeting is the 12th. What? 13th 14th. I don't have my book so I
can't see the next meeting. No, no, wait a minute. We don't meet the 15th. We meet next week. No, no. We first Thursday. Let me open up the calendar so that we're like This is the first Thursday. Yes, it is. And it's May 1st. So, it'll be May 14th, which would be
I'm sorry, 15th. Right. Right. And then we meet again the first Monday in June. So, it would have to be on the agenda on May 15th in order to make sure that
um we are in compliance with them and yeah cuz that would so if we have the 15th we can still get extensions it to have them agree to it right but if we don't have that meeting the next meeting is June 5th after that
and then we that could be 35 depending on what day their site plan application is. But I'm I'm planning on being here on May 15th. Yeah. Well, we should be. But, you know, unless town meeting goes on, I don't
know that. It's only 30 articles. I don't think so. Yeah. I don't I don't think it will, but I'm just Yeah, but I know what you're saying. Maybe three tops. So, Thursday would be the fourth day. It
wouldn't go beyond. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it would be extremely unusual with with [Music] so in fairness this this plan was 42 right so even though the date
last whatever right modified was 4 minutes yes the actual plan itself is 42 and that's too dangerous to leave open okay I'm going to make a motion that um that we ask for an extension Thank you,
Brendan. For 30 days for Hold on one second. June 5th. Um, I'm going to make a motion that PSPR25-3539 Plymouth Street site plan review. We have an extension for 30 days
as long as the applicant agrees. Otherwise, we will need to um vote it down. So, do you want me to separate the that motion?
Well, no, I don't think we can because we're we're offering them an offering an extension meeting and then I think you should leave the motion just as as an extension. Yes. Yeah. upon their agreement. I don't think you need to put the or we're going to turn it down.
Well, or we have to turn it down. We would have to, but I Well, as long as But we won't have another meeting before that. We could possibly go out of date before then if it was we could it's dangerously closed without documents in front of us from the site plan
application in order to determine what day they applied. So, it could be 45 days by the time May 15th rolls around, which would then be constructive. And if they didn't agree to sign it, then we could post a meeting 48 hours in
advance, come in, vote it down, and be done. If they don't agree to it, you can also say, Amy, that if if for whatever reason they decide that they don't want it, then we are accepting that as acknowledgement that they withdrawing their application.
Okay. Yeah. Right. We vote the right with if they do not then that we are accepting that if either they or we don't hear from them without then we are saying that they are accepting we are accepting that as a motion to withdraw. Do you want to say that completely cuz
that was perfect. Oh jeez. So I've been told so you want to amend the motion? I would like to amend the motion on the floor that we are Oh, what's the site plan? Um Oh, right here. Right here. Right here.
Um, amend the motion that the site plan application for PSPR25-3 for 539 Plymouth Street site plan review that we are doing in an extension until June 5th or adding 30
days because we don't know what the dates are or adding 30 days depending on the date of on record. And if we do not hear back from the applicant or they decide not to extend, we will accept that as a withdrawal of their
application without prejudice. Without prejudice. Oh, good one. Okay. Second. So, there's a motion on the floor and a second uh to uh to everything I said. Request an extension uh to the application. Uh I'll
ask for a voice vote. Brendan, yes. Amy, yes. Myself, yes. Tom, yes. And Rick, yes. Unanimous. Okay. And then do we have to do the same for what we need for the industrial? We already did that at the last meeting
that we gave 30 days because they were going to be at the U end of May. So, we did the calculation that because they needed to do certain things on their site plan that we would extend it then. And he didn't want to go 45 days. Well, this might jog your memory. Yeah. Right.
Because he wanted to bring it in more. So we said, "All right, fine. 30." And if uh on on the same on the same basis, if uh 359 Plymouth Street wants 45 instead of 30, we would 539 Plymouth
Street, we we we could consider that. Sure. Yes. Okay. So, um meeting minutes, I didn't get to go over them and I don't have them. He had a read. So, I would like to make an ex uh a motion to uh due April 3rd meeting
minutes on March I'm sorry, May 15th, 2025. Second that if you need a second. Okay. Yes. There's a motion on the floor and a second to uh review the uh minutes at uh the next meeting. All those in favor say
I. I. Unanimous. Okay. Done. So, zoning. Okay. Let's uh go back to uh the discussion on the on the bylaws. Uh is it the pleasure of the board to uh have a vote on whether recommend not
recommend or abstain or uh well does anybody have any like we said that they were going we were going to anybody who didn't read them was going to make due diligence on reading them and so does anybody have any comments after reading
them? I I I I find some of the u penalties if you will for the uh blighted properties blighted properties a little over the top. Okay. For my liking. Okay. Uh as I think that puts an
unfair burden on some people. It throws everybody into the same pot and I and I think that's problematic. Um, I also I'm disappointed that the town um bylaw review committee didn't take on the multi multif family bylaw. Couldn't
agree more cuz we had so much trouble with that and we ended up with so much litigation and that was really in my my opinion the focus of getting into the zoning bylaw review. That's what the reason why it all that was the reason why I thought it was initiated cuz there was so many different places having
different uh definitions and and descriptions and I mean we do we do have a court decision but that's it we should make our bylaw clear. We should make it understandable so anybody reading the darn thing can have some reasonable
interpretation and doesn't have to go out and get another court decision. Right. Exactly. So, so that that was disappointing for me. Sorry. I mean, no, that's all right. So, for a lot of reasons, I I I don't It's my bad that I didn't get
involved in it, but I had a lot of things going on, so I really didn't have the opportunity to get involved in a lot of it. I could have done some of it. I'm not suggesting that was all of it, but uh I in fairness, a lot of people put a lot of work into it. I don't know what the
dynamics of the meetings were, the personalities of those people involved. I I'm not sure, but I am disappointed. Um I I'm of the opinion I don't want to either recommend or not recommend. I I I kind of like to just take a neutral
position and let the town meeting figure it out because I think at this point like we had made mention before, but we can't change uh what's going to appear in the warrant and what's going to appear at town meeting, you know, unless somebody, you
know, makes an amendment on the town floor. No, but I believe I don't know if that covers multi I think it has to be something that was brought up at the hearing. Has to be an issue that was brought up at the hearing. That's my That's my No, at a hearing not just a hearing. Yeah. Yes. And I thought I
thought it was myself uh between at the last hearing where uh you know the chairman of the select were there town council as well as the town administrator that there were several points that you that Amy had made that they said you know it's a good point you
should have looked that or it should be looked into closer. And there was a couple of them there that uh now whether or not again that can be amended on the town floor I I don't I don't know. The sign bylaw was okay but I don't really
think it simplified enough. No it didn't. We we have too many issues in there about placement not just sort of the placement of standards but about how it's constructed and how it's faceted the building. I mean, a lot of those cover pages, 11 pages of of signed by
law. This town has more pages of signs than any town around. Well, actually, signed by law is what I brought up last night because um I went to the forum to see what everybody was going to say, but there was only like six people in six people in the audience
and like six people on Zoom, but that includes the Chief and Benner and Caesar and MWB, whoever that is. And uh only a couple of residents got on. Most of them um but Allan got up and he made up some
really good points. One of them was the multif family one which clearly Yes. Clearly and but that's not a hearing. That's just a forum. Yeah. Who was this? Alan L. So um you know I'm very interested in all this. So I went and I
wrote and took notes. But I actually thanked him at the end of the meeting because there was a lot of things that he did bring up that are still messed up. And so my whole thing is that when we did the so I can answer your question when we did have the zoning bylaw review
committee meeting all the time we would take in one or two sections and cleaning it up and then we couldn't get a quorum because of the whole town thing blew up and then then people wouldn't show up and the nights were changing and then all of a sudden the bylaw review
committee in um July of 2023 decided they were going to dwindle down to five and they took anybody with planning board off. They took anybody they they didn't have like a well-g grouped me meeting. My opinion
on the bylaw review committee that they have is that two people overlap as finance committee, two people overlap as zoning bylaw review and two people overlap as government study. So to me and that I mean the appointed ones
besides the chair of all of those committee well sorry not finance but the chair appointed those people to the committee and there wasn't enough um wellthoughtout information. One of the
residents last night on the forum was upset about the fact that we're adding mixed juice and commercial business after we just said at um town meeting in December that we didn't want it and it might have been a different call of a
zone, but it's still the people stating. And I will say that with the mixed juice development, it is on mass.gov gov and I'll make copies for anybody who wants to see this that mandatory mixeduse
districts is away for MBTA housing. So people are people already said they didn't want to have that type of um business or sorry building in town. So to have mixed juice just put in there is
um not pleasing to most of the residents in town and still have to have a special permit for that still. Yeah, it's not as of right. No, it's not as of right. They have to have a special permit. It isn't as of right, but still the people stated that they
didn't want it 700 to 12. So I was going to say pretty clearly. Yeah. So, and that's what is going on when you talk to anybody in general. And then I agree with you wholeheartedly on the blighted properties, but my main problems with
the blighted properties is the fact that just the building commissioner decides what other refues, what maintenance is. It's not really laid out. So, it could become dangerous. That's part of my problem with it. It's
so subjective. Okay. So you feel the same way? Yeah. That you I mean I deal with it. You know I is this trash? Is this something worth saving? Those are tough calls. I mean some of them are obvious you know if you have garbage
piled up someplace but many times it's a very subjective call and uh you have to be careful. But then circumstances like that resident that came up after the last meeting boy street. Wow. And yeah, I can see his his his problem, but what
do you do? It's so hard to Exactly. Um, it's in the wetlands. Yeah. Did you drive by it? No, I haven't. It's in the wetland protected area, so it should be under conservation and they should be able to do something about it. Typically, you rely on border health in Hong Kong. But I did check it
out. Yeah. So, that was my problem with it. And some of the remedies I thought could be a little harsh and and I don't know. Okay. It's a tough call. So, with your knowledge of all that, it I think that it would be wise that we're saying to the town that these could be not good
bylaws. So, it shouldn't really be about how many hours people put in because there was a zoning bylaw review committee that was doing it that got sidailed. And it could have kept going on cuz I actually have the minutes and I can show
you like I I we had we would be like, "Okay, we're going to do article one." Obviously, article one short. So, we did article one and article two, but then we did article three and they are all on video. So, but there was two people at large. I I I believe I'm going for two
people from planning, two people from zoning, a selectman, you know, more more people that had a little bit more knowledge cuz not really only Jerry Joy is the only person who is on was on zoning and
and that was it. This is the hard part. You either recommend the whole article or you don't recommend it. Well, I don't think we should recommend it. I you you can't pick and choose inside that and that that's where I'm leaning towards being not recommending because I don't
think it's clean enough. Well, I agree. There was a lot of good work done on on 94 pages. Yes, there there's some Well, they put some work into a short, but it's almost like I think it needs to go back. Part of the reason they did all this didn't even get
addressed and some of the stuff Yeah. I don't I mean it could be cleaned up a lot better or not so uh restrictive. What what's the feeling of the board then? Bottom line there's more work to be done or uh either it sounds like
either can't worry about her feelings effort but there's some things that we found still disturbing that that we get pressed on what they are. I I don't want to get into a page by page blow of this. Well, I already did that. I know they
can watch the meeting and um and then my issues whether or not you agree with them were added on to by you tonight and Allan and and those are all people that have and you sorry I'm not leaving anybody out but I'm just trying to like make a point that yeah okay they did a
lot of work but the town has to then deal with this for the next whenever we're not going to change these bylaws again for a while. It's been how many years since the last So we Yeah, we should go back and brush it up. I was trying to get bylaws changed 25 years
ago. Couldn't get it done. So, so I would make a motion that the planning board should not recommend the zoning bylaw changes. And I think that it would be a good idea because if we know that it's going to cause the town problem, then that is really our job is to
protect them from having the wrong zoning bylaws. I understand that we need a cleanup. I was on the review committee. I I see it. I I know about all the different ins and outs and I mean, you taught me a lot about it all along. So, like we do need some cleanup.
We need some itemization of things that need to be really But I don't feel like this did it. Well, Mike, I was just going to say I think in my in my individual opinion that if we feel as though there's stuff that still needs to be worked on, then we can't in good faith make a
recommendation to approve. Not make a recommendation, make a as in as in not as in leave it blank or say not recommend. Not recommend. Okay. Yeah. I mean, if unless it's something that we would absolutely feel confident in as a collective whole moving forward to deal
with for the next 25 years, if there's anything in there that we don't feel is up to par, then we have to do our due diligence to say then we don't recommend it. We think there's still some work that not you [Music] guys or is that pie in the sky? Is it is
there ever going to be a time where okay everything is spelled out exactly right and there's there's no loopholes there's no uh no there's never going to be time you know what I mean however what we can say as elected officials is that we did our due diligence to represent the town
to the best of our ability whether our recommendation is considered or not to be able to say we read them we reviewed them we discussed them there's still work that needs to be done prime time we are not going to recommend, you know, could we make a
recommendation to pass over? We We can't pass Oh, yeah. We could for the town. Somebody could make a motion to pass over as a she mean as a board. Yeah. To recommend or not, though. I thought Okay. Well, I We could actually preempt
that. Okay. I will make a motion. Well, wait a minute. We can't do it here. You have to do it. No, no, no, no. I don't mean that. I wasn't going to say. All right. I just I understand where you were going. I was going to say um I'll make a motion. Are you amending your motion? Oh, no. Because I already had a
motion. Do I have a second there? To be clear. Okay. My motion was Let's make it clear. Go ahead. What is your motion? My motion is to not recommend the zoning bylaw review changes. Okay. I have a motion on the floor not to recommend. Do
I have a second? I'll second that. There's a motion and a second on the floor. I'll open it up for discussion. Any anybody want to make any other further comments or call for vote? Then I'll call for a voice vote.
Brendan, a yes vote is to agree with the motion. That's correct. Yes. A yes vote is to not recommend. Yes. Amy, yes. I do not recommend that Thomas. Yes. Rick, yes. And myself, yes. Okay. So we can
say that we unanimously unanimously voted to not that that was the other thing. So on on town meeting floor even though it probably doesn't have time, you know, to appear in the in the warrant itself, we as a board unanimously decided not to recommend.
Amy brought up a great point because I I do What's that? Well, one of the things that can happen is when the article comes up, somebody could make a motion to pass over. That's true. and have to speak to it, but at least make a motion. And then it avoids the I'll be the bad guy if you want me to be. It avoids the
whole say I'm sure we have somebody that will stand up. Yeah. I was going to say it would be a resident. It would be somebody. Well, I mean, I'll be the good button girl to the to the taxpayers. So, yeah. I mean, I' I'd even second it on your
floor, but Okay. Okay. Bingo. Plan. So, uh Okay. We have the the minutes we put off. We have uh I think the business of the site plans is off. So I hope if you do find out that that for or Tom whoever
that site plan application is um dangerously April 1st then maybe are we putting ourselves as a meeting on um town meeting night that like we could though and then we could just have a quick meeting to we'd have to put it on
we'd have to advertise it. Yes. 48 hours we'd have to follow the um cuz we used to do it all the time for assessors everybody. Yep. Okay. Yeah. So if so if we find that we're dangerously close on either of those or wait a minute what about Oh my god. Before we
close Arnold Wea um what number the he was getting close. Where was he? Thank you. Do you remember what day? Um, it was a Plymouth Street address. And is
it Oh, no. Cafe. Unaware. M 73 lot 7 and uh four from the bottom. Extension form. Last one. 422. 5525. Senco Deio. We have to make an extension on Arnold. Have we even heard from him?
Do you want to? Um, we gave him 45 days. 45 days from the expiration. Well, that was an old one cuz that's 2024. Oh, go back to that list. Ready? See that one that says extension to 5525? Right. What do we do here?
30 days. Haven't we done this a bunch? Yeah. For years it seems like. Right. A year and a half. Yeah. happens. He says until May 5th. Yeah. I I bumped into Joe Webby. He said he's just having trouble finding anybody to draw his thing for him. So I
said to him, "Go to Bridgewater University and get somebody in graphic arts. This isn't, you know, the most difficult thing in the world to draw." This guy doesn't seem like he's really interested in getting the ball rolling. Really? Yeah. Did you be honest? This is the only committee I've ever been on or seen that
volunteers to do all the work for all the other people that are applying to ask for our approval for stuff. It drives me insane from an accountability perspective, which I love that word. It's just people like just don't show up to meetings and we're like, "Oh, let's do a bunch of stuff for them. Sorry, you
didn't show up here." That's what we then there's an option then also that if we do the same thing that we did the last time in some fairness we don't know if they asked for an extension. Okay. All right then I'll make a motion to
do you want to do you know but boy do I um All right. I will make a motion on uh or petition number 24 SPR2-244 that we grant a 30-day
extension from May 5th, 2025. Mhm. And if the applicant either rejects the extension or we do not hear from them, we will be accepting that as an acknowledgement of a withdrawal of their application without
prejudice. Okay. Do we need a deadline of if we don't hear from them by May 5th, force somebody to withdraw? Well, May 5th is No, it's a we haven't heard from you and you're not signing the extension. Therefore, we have put forth an emotion that if you don't agree to those two
things or we don't hear from you, we're just going to withdraw. We're not playing this game anymore. Okay. Big boy pants. I'll just I'll just say that um yeah, it's Yeah, we don't hear from them by May 5th, 2025 and then I would sign it. That's Monday, right? Tuesday.
Tuesday. I'm fine with that. Yeah, Monday is Monday. Monday. Okay. Yeah. Cancun will be Okay. There's a motion on the floor from what Bernard just said. Second, whatever that was,
uh, do I have a second? Second. There's a motion and a second. Uh, any further discussion as far as uh granting the extension or at least hearing from uh the petitioner by May 5th, 2025. I'll ask for a voice vote.
Uh, Brendan, yes. Amy, yes. Tom, yes. Rick, yes. And myself, yes. Unanimous. Will you go back to that list of site plans so that I can look and see if we have anything else dangerously close? What about that U storage facility down
on We approved it, didn't we? Mosa Street. Yeah, we remember we approved that and they went to Con. Okay, that's what it was. We did approve the beginning of February, right? But I Good thinking. I couldn't remember if we actually approved it or just told them they should go to
They're all done with those. Okay, we haven't talked about 285 Home Street in a while. Are they still at con? Oh, no. We finalized that in October and it went to conservation, right? Did we finalize it? um the beginning of November or October
or the end of October, it got sent to conservation. I can tell you what I did 30 years ago, but I can't tell you what I did 30 days ago. This is getting crazy. 318 Plum Street. What was that? Oh, that we deal
we dealt with that in March. Okay. Talked about that. That's not an issue. Yeah, we right. That was in the street. That's not going back. Well,
that was a discussion. Why? We did it. Okay. I would make a motion. Okay. Are there any other uh matters of uh for discussion? Just real quick. Um unfortunately, I am going to be writing a letter of resignation from the
board. That's too bad. Yeah. So, I spoke with the selectman. Um, when we first applied for this, I had a a 7-month-old son, and in August, I will have three. So, in this in the four years I've been on the board, we have grown our family
quite rapidly. Uh, and so after discussion, I I asked whether or not it made sense to do um a resignation before the election, which when I came up with this, trying to figure it all out, leaving my wife with a 4-year-old, a 2-year-old, and a newborn twice a month.
um at 7:00 at night. It was just going to be too much. You'd like to stay married is what you're saying. Yeah. I will say uh not to make this a drawn out monologue, uh I didn't know what I was getting into. I just wanted to help the town in any way that I could. I'm um
forever grateful to all of you guys um for the lessons that I've learned here and how town politics work and how the whole system works and a lot of the relationships that that I've built. Um I don't like giving up on anything that I do and
so I was really trying to push to make it the fifth year. Um this just has to come down to family first. So um the protocol is to resign and then the se um they'll have the election and then the
selectman will appoint a fifth board member. Yeah. The planning board and the Yeah. When I had the conversation with the selectman, it was too late after they had pulled papers to make it known that there would be two slots. So, they had to move forward with it. Um, I tried to give them enough notice. I didn't know the protocol on it, but after
talking to them, so um I will have an official letter drafted out to you guys, but I wouldn't want to just slip a slip a Dear John letter under the under the door um before. But still, as a as a board, we'd still have to uh vote on whether or not we could accept
second all those nice but no and my wife will be here in 10 minutes but either way I just I wanted to say thank you. Um it's been a pleasant experience. Uh the upsides have significantly awaited the downsides for sure. Um and I love
Halifax and I I look forward to raising three psychotic boys in this town and hoping the infrastructure uh will hold whatever they get involved in. So Well, you only get one chance at that. Yes. you can always come back for another chance at this later. And that's what
Celig said when I spoke to him. He goes, "Um, I'll let you off the hook on this one as long as you promise to come back in some fashion later." So, uh, I have a feeling this won't be the last time you see me. But, um, just thank you guys. I really appreciate it. Well, thank you. Most important, don't
blink. It'll just go by so quick already. My four-year-old is speaking Spanish somewhere. Good luck. Everything's going well for you. Good. Good for you. Yes. Oh, yeah. So, that's Yeah. So, thank you guys. All right. Uh, anything else
matter of discussion that we want to uh open up on the board? Yes. Besides that? Yeah. Yes. I had a little question on a comment Amy made last meeting about how three board members sold the town out.
I'd like to know what you're talking about, Amy, and what three board members you were pointing your finger at, and how do we sell out the town of Halifax? Well, I was thinking that you were for the zoning bylaws, and I don't like the senior overlay district. And I think that we really should have been more
diligent on that. Yeah. Well, that was a majority. Both the whole board voted to recommend that at town meeting. The whole board, not just three of us. So why are you putting that out on camera to try to make us who who did who are you pointing your finger at? Which
members? Which members? Amy, so hold on. I have I have a comment. We did not vote as a board to recommend the senior overlay district. We voted to after we closed the hearing, we voted to amend the bylaw and that was what we did and
we never went over. Well, my my question is why are you saying we sold out the town of Halifax? Because we need a three and a half story. So why did we saw out the town? We need So you're trying to make us look bad. You're trying to make me look bad again. No, people are mad about it. Very mad. The town meeting
with us. The town that was the entire town meeting, not three people on this board. That was a sneaky town meeting in December. So we're the ones that made it sneaky. I apologize, but I I want you to apologize in front of camera and try to let people in this town that are watching this not
think that we're corrupt board members that are selling out the town cuz that's what you're trying to make us look like. Uh, no. What I've had I've had people get up in a meeting before accusing me of dealing with Thornike with property I didn't even own in town. And I know know 99% where that came from. That uh that
was a half mile radius that we were all looking at. Mary Grace got up at a meeting and accused me of dealing with Thorn Dike on property at the T station which I didn't even that has nothing to do well I'm sure that's where it came from my opinion from me because you used
to tell me that that used to come from Gordon but now you're telling me that's coming from me and we've talked about this you Holly and I I believe in a night I was surprised I surprised you apologized accusing us of that I didn't know what you were talking about and not years ago recently and then all of a
sudden and uh we're selling out the town. So, I just like to know and express X. Why would you say I don't want I How come it's just three members? There's another fourth member here, too. Zoning bylaws right here are not what the town of Halifax wants. That's not
the talking. That's not what I'm saying. That's talking about accuracy. You're talking about, you know, a defamation of character in my opinion. I never named any names. I don't think so. Well, you said three members of this board. And by the way, you voted for it, too. No, I did not. I voted for changes. We closed
the hearing and we voted for changes. We did not know it was that was not that the vote was to recommend or not recommend conservation back into it. It was to recommend or not recommend. and
she voted to recommend when we established the one two a year and a half ago where the um senior district Thorn Dyke and then um we closed the hearing and then we added we we talked about it and voted to change the bylaw.
No, we didn't. We voted to it was a vote to recommend or not recommend a town meeting. That's all it was by unanimous vote. Then you asked to reopen the hearing and you couldn't. I believe you were the chairman at the time said, "No, the meeting the
hearing's been closed and you wanted to reopen the hearing so you could change your discuss the changes because you wanted to change your vote like that." No, that they they had to add back in conservation the whole entire thing because remember when I went into it, I
said, "John, do you remember what you took out of the zoning bylaw?" And then I read all of the conservation and everything that he took out. All of the um all of the heights of the buildings, all the numbers of bedrooms, all of the
everything setbacks and conservation. That doesn't answer my question. You're totally going off what I I asked. Sold out one bedroom. Why are you saying we sold out the town? We voted. Okay. What? You said we voted to approve it. We did
not. No, we voted to recommend town meeting. No, we voted to change it. No, we didn't. No, we didn't. Yes, we did. No, we didn't. That wasn't there. Yes, we did because then at town meeting they added in conservation and everything like that, but we never went over it at the hearing. That's all you want. It just doesn't answer my question. That's
my answer. We sold out the town. You want everybody to hell act the three board members sold out the town. The inference is there was corruption involved in that and that's the inference. There is Listen, say it.
So say it. There is there I am talking. So say it. So you think there's corruption in town? We're corrupt. That's what you're saying. Uh I think there is corruption in town. So the three people that sold that out are corrupt. Is that what you're saying? Stop trying to No, no. I'm asking the question. First of all,
number one, we voted to change the bylaw. Otherwise, it would not have Okay, then how did it get changed? We don't vote to change it. We vote to change it to change it. We voted to recommend a town. The town of Halifax voted. You guys remember that? We voted
to change the hearing. Oh, wow. Do you you Fred does? We voted to change the bylaw. Watch. The question before us was what were we going to do for a recommendation at town meeting? And you were so hyper.
You tried to illegally change your vote because you must have started getting some blowback from your friends. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I Why did you want to change your vote? I I We voted to change the bylaw to add conservation. So then what was the vote to recommend
or not recommend? What was that vote? We voted to unanimous. We voted to recommend recommend the town meeting. We didn't know. We voted to recommend. Amy, that's all. Just a recommend. And we all voted unanimously and then you changed your mind and you want to reopen the
hearing. So you can change never ever for the senior over you voted yes. You voted yes and then you desperately tried to change your vote. So let me you asked about getting back. You went in and asked the administr the administrative assistant to get on the agenda to change your
vote. No. Yes, you did. I did not. And I called you and you No, you never talked to me. I actually You never asked me. Baloney. You never asked me. After the town clerk, so I told the secretary. You went to the town clerk. You tried to get the town clerk to do it and she refused
to do it. I had the the secretary had it on. It got changed off by somebody. I don't know who. The town clerk told me to call you. I called you and I wrote down exactly what you said to me after we got off the phone. Princess saving Halifax and all of these other things.
And I actually have it somewhere. or I could probably find it. And you stated that I could bring it up at our meeting and ask for the vote. No way in hell did I do that. You're making that one up. No, I did not. I can prove it with phone records and the fact that I wrote it
down right afterwards. You can prove it with a phone call record and anything you happen to write. Not Not exactly evidentiary. That's that's happened before, too. Anyway, that you did state. Anyway, aren't you princess and all kinds of
different things? So, the town's corrupt. So, we're we're all corrupt. So, you're accusing us of being corrupt. What was it? Why did you make that comment? Why did you make that comment? Agenda. What? Because this is a personal attack that's on that personal attack. You made a personal attack. You're the
one said, "I'm sorry, but everybody has their right for an opinion, but I'm not going to stand for this. I motion. Well, if you're suggesting I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna stand being called corrupt by three people.
Well, that leaves no option except to pursue this further legally. If you if you in fact are impugning and saying that we had some corrupt motive in doing that. I didn't. Well, you said sold out the town. Three members of the
board sold out the town. Exactly what you said. Well, then who are the three members? Because who knows? Yeah. Who wasn't there? And there was only three other members out there. Wasn't I talking about something a few years ago? So which members were that was that? And I didn't. No, it had nothing to do. You
said you want you want to hear it. Anyway, I'm not going to stand. I understand. I'm going to move we adjourn. There's a motion on the floor to adjurnn. We have a second. There's a motion and a second. All those in favor
say I. I. I. I. Pass is unanimous. [Music]