All right, I'm just going to give everyone a moment. Uh the sign-in sheet is for anyone who wants to uh comment or ask questions during uh the public comment portion. Uh so we will go in the order in which
you sign up to make comments. Uh we're going to do what are we uh Alison? Four too. We're going to do four minutes for first comment. Uh so try to contain your comments. So, I'm giving you three, but uh for public comment, four minutes
for first comment. We're going to do two minutes uh on on a second opportunity to speak if you have more to say after you've talked for 4 minutes. But we are going to give everybody a first chance to speak for 4 minutes before we uh give
additional twominut time periods. The public comment will come at the end of the meeting and we will be getting started in just a moment. Oh, my emails. 9:16. Why ain't they coming in?
That's weird. Update. Wait. Update. Janice. She's not here, actually. Let's talk to her. Wait, who did you talk to? Janice, come on. Just to be like, we're back at the
municipal building. Is she okay? Yeah, she's That's weird. Oh, yeah. All right. Thank you. All right, folks. We do need to get started. That's weird. [Music] Shut off.
Yeah, I've done that before, too. I don't need anything. Okay, we're going to go ahead and feel free to continue to uh sign in if if you haven't signed in for public comment, but we are going to get started. Uh, good evening everyone. Uh, this meeting
is being held with the benefit of public notice as required by the open public meetings act. Madame clerk, would you call the role? Mr. Parabelli here. Miss Phillips here. Mr. Whan here. Mr. Ty here. Mr. Repro. Would everyone please rise for the flag
salute and the invocation? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Dear God, we come before you this evening, grateful for the opportunities to serve our community. We ask for your presence to guide our thoughts, our words, and our actions. Grant us wisdom to make decisions that reflect fairness and compassion, courage to do what is right in humility, to listen with open
hearts. We pray for peace in our world, in our nation, and our community, and within ourselves. We ask all these things in your holy name. Amen. Amen. [Music] Okay. So, next we are going to move on to the minutes
for your consideration. We have the minutes of August 19th, 2025 regular meeting minutes. Council Council President, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of August 19th. A second. On the motion, Mr. Caribelli. Yes. M. Phillips. Yes. Mr. Whan.
Yes. Mr. talked. Yes. Next for your consideration. Hold on. Oh, sorry. Uh so I'm going to uh call up uh Joseph ShraMM. Uh he is uh here with uh a
Hamilton business owner, David Nicholas. Uh Mr. ShraMM, I'm going to go ahead and give you three minutes. Thank you very much for being efficient with your time. My name is Chris. I'm here with Mr. David Nicholas. He is the owner of right now termed prolific
dispensary. He's also Mike Con. It's picking up on the system. Speak up. He's also the owner of Prolific Growhouse LLC. It's a licensed cannabis cultivation and manufacturing facility. It's been successfully operating in
Mount Holly, New Jersey for 2 years. Um Mr. Nicholas and Prolific Growhouse obtained a final recommendation from CRC for class 5 conditional license that expires in April. And the the reason we're here is um Mr. Nichols has submitted an application to Mr. Dumont
in July um seeking to operate a dispensary at 691 Route 130 unit 4 in Hamilton. That's in the shopping center at 13:30 in Clockner Road near the Waw Wa there. Um there's really been very limited action. Uh his license again expires in April. Um the word that he's
received from the planning board is that he needs action from the council and we're really here to understand why is the application stalled and he's he's heard nothing about it thanks to some helpful guidance from from individuals on the council and the council township of attorney before him. We understand
perhaps the procedure is that you need a before this council would issue a letter of recommendation or or permit um you need a letter of recommendation from Mr. Dumont and Mayor Martin. Um but so the application uh details Mr. Nicholas's ties and commitments to this community
as well as those of Prolific Growhouse. Uh this would be we'd note a social equity and micro business dispensary. It's um classified. So again really uh it's been stalled and we perhaps under a misimpression that the application was stalled here whereas it it appears that
really nobody is aware of the application. Um so that's that is the reason we were here today is to to really understand what questions what can we provide and what is needed from prolific growhouse or Mr. Nicholas. So we don't have any information. You
are correct. Uh we don't have any information on your business or your application. Um we are uh I put you at the top cuz you're paying your attorney to be here. So, I did put you at the top um just so we could hear your concerns
and take them under advisement. We really don't have any information to provide to you because this is the first time any of us have become aware of the existence of your business. Uh it does start with our planning department with our economic development department. Uh
and then uh we do get uh a recommendation based on vetting uh by the mayor's team and the economic development team on u issuing letters of support uh for businesses. We have been
uh I'd say generous with our issuing of letters of support um and and we're certainly supportive of of growing businesses. uh you know there's there's economic opportunity uh in Hamilton. Uh
so we appreciate your efforts to open a business here, but we don't have any information for you at this time. We're here to listen to your concerns and take them under adisement. Uh if it'd be helpful or useful, um I do have copies of the application that was submitted, copies of letter from the
zoning official saying that is a a permitted use in that area. Um, are those are those Well, I was just going to say, are those um documents that you have submitted to the township? So, so they're available to us. I mean, you're making us aware so we'll be able
to copies. Um, so speak into the mic if you don't mind. There was only one copy. Would you identify yourself? Um, hello. Hello everyone. Uh, my name is David Nicholas. Um, CEO of Prolific House and also CEO Prolific Dispensary. Um, as I was mentioning, um, I have
submitted a copy to Fred Dumont, um, back in July. Um, I recently I had this lease signed since February. I've been trying to see get in front of this board since February. Um, I was instructed by Mayor Martin after my first meeting with
them to wait till July till I have my keys in hand to get in front of this board. July came. Um, I this meeting has never happened. Um, I've been reaching out um day after day, uh, week after week. I don't get a response back from
anyone from the township. My money right now and my company is at stake right now. Um, I'm not sure if anyone know one knows anything about me, but I'm only 20 27 years old. Um, I've been in this business for 2 years. I started from
nothing from right from this city. Um, you know, and I made something of myself. I want to come back here. I just parked my car outside. You should see how how much of the community came up to my vehicle. They all know me here. My reputation is great here. Um, I want to
do business here and, you know, succeed with this township. But having no communication won't help anyone. It's just going to burn the money in my pockets, be a detriment to my company, and, you know, not help us excel. Tell me tell me your name again.
David Nicholas. And the name of your company, David. Philip dispensary. We're going to look into it. I have your attorney's contact information. If you want to leave your phone number, I will Oh, I have your contact information as
well. So, uh we'll look into it and we'll be in touch with you. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right, Madame Clerk. Uh can we move on with the consent agenda or communications? Communications, excuse Um we have for
your consideration joint proclamations for the month of October. First we have the support of the 2025 community communities of light project. The observance of national day of advocacy. Imagine a day without border water works. Observing breast cancer awareness
month. Stronger together. Uniting voices for prevention and support. Support of national red ribbon week. Life is a puzzle solve it drug-free. observance of blindness awareness month uniting for a glaucoma free world
observance of bicycle and pedestrian safety month and finally the observance of national first responders day do I have a motion I'll make a motion on the communications C1 I'll second it on the motion Mr. Caribelli yes Phillips yes
Mr. Whan yes and Mr. Tie. Yes. Next for your consideration, we have consent agenda items CA1 through CA15. So among among the items, we have uh more grant money. Uh the township
continues to uh do a good job of um identifying opportunities to maximize taxpayer dollars uh through the acquisition of grants. We at this point have um received several million dollars
in grant money. So the trend continues tonight. Any questions or comments? Yeah, I'll make a few comments. Um I just want to to commend the administration. We have obviously the labor agreement with CWA, which is
25-414. Um and that's a 4-year uh contract with that uh union. That's that's good news. Um 416 uh we also we did receive a little bit less this year in CDBG
funding, but I guess we'll get some information on where in particular that's going to at upcoming board uh meetings, but I'd like to see that those grant dollars go to beneficial programs um in our community. Um the other one I
just want to mention uh you mentioned council president the um the grants that are on our agenda this evening. We are rejecting um two grant writers uh that had submitted through an RFP process because it was a little higher than the estimated amount. But that doesn't mean
we're going to still have potentially uh on for um you know upcoming meetings information with uh potentially could still maintain grant the grant writer or a grant writer that we have to consider uh moving forward. So that that entity
may you know we still are strongly considering having a grant writer uh as an option. We actually do have, my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that we do have the uh current grant writer. Uh we have the option to
renew that. Uh we did shop for additional um possibilities of of grant writers. We shopped to price it out um and really didn't find anything better uh than than what we have. Uh they've
been doing a good job. So, uh, if it's not broke, don't fix it. Yes, that's exactly right. You have it right. And so, again, the contract we currently have will go through the end of this year. And so, before the end of this year, we'll probably be coming to
you with a recommendation as to whether you want to extend that contract for another year. And then you also have the option to do it for another year after that once we get through next year. So, so again, you still have options. And
you're right, we we tried to go out to see what else is out there when we have this kind of in between option that we we could go with somebody else or we could renew it. And it just uh wasn't any additional savings, right, for the
township. So, we wanted to make sure that, you know, we're doing our due diligence on that for you all. Thank you, Kathy. Any other just a quick question on the performance bonds. I see we're giving a performance bond back. It's probably a new developer that's
going to develop that that parcel of land. When a person puts a performance bond up, are are we gaining interest on it or does the owner the bond? You're you're testing my my old CFO here
person. But um I I don't know the answer to that. I know that some escros is a split in the insurance uh in the interest. Okay. So, some of it goes back to the developer and some of it stays with the township for processing all of that.
Um but I'm not sure specifically for performance bonds. And so I I tried to text our CFO that very question and see if she answers that. Yeah. Just just food for thought. I just was wondering. But in in many instances with all the escros because it's not
just performance bonds, right? There is other escros that we hold for these developers as well. But we're not supposed to benefit from that, right? We're we're required to give at least a certain amount of interest to them for the holdings that we have that we're
just holding for them, right? I wish the law had such concern for benefit for our taxpayers that they do for the developers. But the law is the law and we have to follow it. Yep. Any other questions or comments? No.
Regarding the agenda, the uh consent agenda items? Any members of the public wishing to comment on any of the consent agenda items? Uh remember we're not we're not up to public comment yet. So we're we're uh strictly uh talking about
these 15 items. Seeing no members of the public wish to comment. Yeah. Council presence. Um I'd like to close the public portion and move um consent agenda items CA1 through CA15. I'll second that.
Madam clerk on the motion. Mr. Caribelli. Yes. Miss Phillips. Yes. Mr. W. Yes. Mr. Yes. 5 4 Z and that brings us to public comment and we have a lot of folks who were signing up.
So we are going to get started with Oh, Joseph ShraMM, did you want to take Okay, thank you. Uh, next up is Mike or Mikey Rick. Did I pronounce that right? It's Mike.
Mike Rick. And can you just uh state your name and address? Uh my name is Mike Rick. I live on 9 Heathwood Lane in uh Hamilton Township. Thank you. Um my wife and I live uh in Westacres neighborhood. Um we're some of the newest residents in that neighborhood. We moved in at the end of
2021 uh just a couple years prior to uh Bent Iron Brewery. Although we've only lived there a short time, our neighbors welcomed us with open arms, always waving hello with smiles and driving to the neighborhood when I come home from work. There's friendly conversations from walkers and
talking about sports, my Halloween decorations, my robotic lawn mower. Um, everything has been great. Um, then Bent Iron Brewery has moved in uh around 2023. Um, previously our outdoor spaces were filled with the sounds of birds and
crickets. Now, nearly every weekend, our neighborhood is polluted with the sounds of loud and sometimes vulgar music, as well as being bombarded with non-stop commotion from loud crowds and screaming children. It's not just the music, it's the overall sound of the patrons. Also, I'd like to remind the council of
Hamilton Township Code uh chapter 311 section 8 regarding sound production devices such as microphones, speakers, musical instruments. It states that no person shall cause, suffer, allow, or permit the operation of sound production devices in such a manner that the sound crosses a property
line and raises the sound levels above the neighborhood residual sound level. Um, in this instance, it's more than six dB. Uh, when the brewer is in operation, um, using the measurements uh, settings based in that code, I took a measurement
today for about 5 minutes and our average decibel level is 47. So, just to face off of that, anything over 53 dB would be a violation of that code. Um, when we tested measurements last weekend during October Fest, um, it was
at 63 dB uh, in um, a neighbor's backyard. And I know my sound device might not be calibrated to your standards, but that alone I feel warrants an investigation. as a as a resident of Westerres's neighborhood, we request code
enforcement and noise enforcement officers or an investigator be sent out. All any of us want in the neighborhood is to have peace and quiet that we used to have before Ben Iron Brewery moved in. Our entire neighborhood has the right to that as laid out in the Hamilton Township codes. Thank you for
your time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Uh next we'll hear from Leanne Pini. Hi everyone. I'm Leanne Pini. I live at 102 Xtonville Road. I've lived at 102 Extenville Road my entire life. We moved
in in 1978. Been part of the township through all the school systems, through everything. I just I have never left. Whether people want to see that as a good or bad thing, I find that to be an amazing thing. I'm raising my beautiful
daughter as a single mother in Hamilton Township. I find that you guys putting God into our discussion that we started with to be phenomenal and I appreciate that. I have to talk to you though for the first time ever and I come to you
because of the noise of the Benton Brewery. Um it it's it's not manageable anymore. It's getting to the point I've had 11 ser my whole neighborhood doesn't need to know
this. I've had 11 surgeries on my abdomen since 2023. Not any fault of the brewery. I wanted this to work. The noise is getting out of control. We were met with Yes,
they believe that they have done everything they're supposed to um as far as their end of it. But um as a resident at this point um and being every day it seems like more music, more music, decibels get louder, people get more
crude if people scream and saying things at me through my fence. Okay, I am right there as well as my other neighbors that I've known for a long time. I have elderly parents that have paid property taxes on that property since 1978 that
still live in that house that I care for as well. something, you know, going to talk to the Ben Iron Brewery face to face, asking nicely, leaving the cops out of it, talking like how I can talk to my
neighbors never works. Calling, nobody answers the phone, nobody returns a phone call. I was given a business card by an attorney one day to call anytime. I'm not comfortable doing that, so I
would prefer to call the business. Okay, we're not I'm personally I can speak for myself. I don't run them out of business, but this fence they're going to tell you about is chicken wire. I've had horses shown all over the country my whole life. Okay, it's chicken wire.
It's not a fence. We have some trees, but it's not enough. We have music pointing to our yards. We have people screaming profanities. We have some neighbors that found children that don't belong to them. When you read the reviews, let the reviews speak for
themselves. Okay? Children left unattended. Okay? We're not going to talk about service animals not being allowed, but children not being attend attended, the noise levels, things like that. This is not what Hamilton Township ever was
about. The owners don't even reside in our township. Okay? If this is so wonderful and we're giving it a shot, put in Chesterfield where they live. That's what we asked in the beginning.
We're always met with we're doing it this way, we're doing it that way. There's no flexibility. Asking us as residents who've been there forever, who have never had a problem with one another. Just ask us where can we $20,000 on
trees. Well, sir, you grow trees. So, I I don't know where that math came from, but okay. We need something more. My daughter should not be cursing and hearing things she hears. Okay, that's all I have to say. Thank you so much for listening. I'm sorry I'm
like nervous. I never do this. Thank you. Thank you so much, everyone. Be careful. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, next up is David Maldonado. [Music]
Good evening. Good evening. My name is David Maldonado. I live at 6 uh 38 Schiller Avenue. I've been there since 2003. I'm here today um representing uh some of our neighbors and homeowners in that block of 600 um
Schiller Avenue along with some um that are here. actually um we wanted to bring to council's attention our well first of all thank you very much for allowing me to speak uh we wanted to bring to uh council's attention our very grave concerns of some various uh very uh
troubling incidents involving uh disorderly conduct and that that impacts the quality of life to every resident in our vicinity and and also dangerous events that have been grappling our neighborhood ever since uh new tenants have moved into uh 643 Schiller Avenue
uh Since their they the very first day that they arrived, they have been disrespectful to the neighborhood. Um they've uh within days of moving in, they started they had loud parties uh with over 20 people hanging out in front of the houses uh in and around the front of the house, blocking sidewalks, double
parked vehicles, blocking traffic, blocking fire hydrants and residents uh and res residents driveways. These are individual. There are also individuals riding on motorc motorized scooters and bikes with loud mufflers often riding on the wrong way on the sidewalks with
people having to move out of their ways uh in order for them not to be struck. Um this disordered conduct has occurred on numerous occasions and days and continuing sometimes up to like 5:00 in the morning, including young children that should not be out at during those
late hours. Several residents have called police already and reported these incidents. In addition, we have witnessed a police raid at that location. Also, the US Marshall surrounded this premise on on one occasion and removed at least one individual from that location as well.
Furthermore, the incident that really has drawn the most concern to all the residents in our neighborhood in our block was an incident that occurred around 11:00 p.m. on the even on one evening where I personally observed several individuals approximately six to eight individuals on motorized scooters
and bikes descend on our neighborhood and began pointing several to pointing at different several locations, different homes in our in our block. I could hear them saying, "Which house is it? Which house is it?" before zeroing in on 643 Schiller Avenue. These individuals then surrounded that
location and some of them went around to the back of the house. Some of them stayed out and posted in front of the house. Moments later, you could hear two rounds, two police, two gunshots uh that came from behind the house or side or the side of the house. At this point, um the individuals that were on the
motorcycles in front of the house, they all hastily uh drove away down the wrong um uh driving down the the runway on on Shiller Avenue. And then I observed uh another individual on a motor on a moped come out from behind the house and hastily took off down the runway on on
Shiller Avenue as well. Then I noticed I saw an individual on foot walk and running out in front of the house. Stopped in the middle of the street in front of 643 Avenue. Turned around, pointed a handgun at the house and recklessly started shooting into the house.
Is it one house? This is one house. Yes. Let me just say the address. 643 Shiller Avenue. I'll tell you something. Okay. This shooting, this shooting and this incident put all the residents at 643 Shiller Avenue in
imminent danger. They have children there as well. But not only them, but any of the of the homes that they were pointing at before they um mistakenly pointed at before they actually zeroed in on 643 Avenue, they could have shot into any one of those homes as well. So
um and and what caused these gun toing criminals to come to 643 Sher Avenue in the first place? It wasn't the house. it was the in the the the the conduct and the behavior of the somebody in that house. They were shooting at somebody inside that house. Right. So, we submit
something should be done to keep the neighborhood and residents safe from the dangers that these tenants having brought that they have brought to this community. Um we as residents have been proactive in this as well. We have see out the owner and the landlord of this property. several of us of of our uh uh
community residents uh signed a letter back in June. Um Dave, that was uh that was your time expiring. No, you can come back. Now, hold on. I don't know if you heard me at the beginning of the meeting. I said everybody's going to get four minutes each and then you can come back up and
get two more minutes after everyone has had a chance to speak. So, and uh well, stay put. Can you stay? Sure. We have a question from our township attorney. I'm just looking at the map. There's a 641 which is a attached.
Yes, it's attached to 643 which is unattached. There is no 643. So are you talking? No, there's a 64. No, there's 643. 641 is attached to 643. Actually, it's it's a semi- detached owner. Yeah. So, we're going to
Well, we could ask a question. Yeah. Okay, good. Oh, you you have a question? Yeah. So you you you mentioned you're being proactive, which is great, but you're being proactive trying to call the police, I'm sure. What's your response time, especially when there was
gunfire? Number one, I I I have to admit the police were there almost immediately when I called. I mean, I was already on the phone when I first heard when I first saw these individuals out there because of all the other instances that have been occurring. I was already on the phone calling the police. I'm sure that some other folks in the neighborhood were
already calling as well. They were there almost immediately. Um, and they they came and they recovered shell casings and and projectiles from the house and everything else, which is what I was going to address, but I I I Do you know were there any arrests in this? No, there were all these individuals took off uh and fled before the police
were able to arrive. Well, that was on that instance, but there's instances where you're you're stating that there's activity at night, parties, people in the street. Not to my knowledge, there hasn't been any arrests as as far as when they when they come out when they when the police come out and
um disperse the people that are loitering in the street or riding um electric ebikes or whatever they're doing. Do they leave? I mean, are they breaking it up? They they do break it up and this family or whoever it is that lives there, they
they they tone it down for a while and then it just starts up again after the police leave or several days after. I I would I would think after so many phone calls that and so many times visits out, somebody should be being issued summones on this. Yeah. And and well, the other thing is that we like I
was saying, we we contacted the landlord. you sent a letter to him and and it's my understanding that he would like to, you know, help and and try and in in the process of getting these people out of there. Well, it becomes a civil matter, too, when when a landlord is allowing their
tenants to cause an ongoing disturbance in a neighborhood, additional enforcement action uh that can and should be taken. Uh so, we're going to we're going to see. It sounds like there's been some other targeted activity there too because you
said that there's right that police did a raid on that property. Yeah, there was the US Marshals came one time. There was a police raid there too. I'm not sure. All right. So, we have to check into this. We'll check with our PD and see what sort of targeted enforcement that they're doing there or what they have.
But we can also check with um Mr. Dumont, Director Dumont, too, because they will have to be registered, right, as a a landlord, and if there's been any complaints that have come in that way that we could also um look to act.
We are in the process of obtaining OPA requests for that location and to see, you know, you know, so that we can have a record of everything that's been going on as well. That's a good way to go. Okay. So, we were just asking for any advice or help that legally can be done with
the council in case the landlord doesn't follow through with his uh um um things to, you know, to try to get these people out of there. Yes. And uh let's get contact information. If you're going to be the spokesperson, let's get
that and we can work. Can you give Allison your contact information? And I see other folks from your neighborhood are going to come up and and add additional information. Uh and we welcome everyone to get up and uh
you know uh state state your your your concerns. Um but with this this is going to be addressed. Uh we're going to work here. Well, you're welcome. quality like there because fair enough.
Yeah, I saw everyone. Well, hold on, ma'am. Uh we're we have a signin sheet. I I will get to you, but we're going to go go in order and then um we'll I'll make sure you get a chance. Uh so, Angela, if you're going to yield back
your time, then I will uh move on to Dennis. So, Dennis Cash, would you state your name and address for us? Can you hear me? All right. Yes. Dennis Conch, 607 Shell Avenue. Uh I've spoken with some of uh the members
before through email in regards to the American Legion. Uh that was the issue. Um I know you guys tried to do your best with that. Uh there's there's a lot of proactive members uh in that community, myself being one. Um and uh I went right
to the top for the American Legion. Uh and then the biggest thing was uh there was there were frisking members going into the uh or uh patrons going into the uh for an affair and then a fight broke out. There was like 50 people on the street fighting and somebody had a gun. Uh that was two years ago. We got the
place shut down. It's been shut down since then. Neighborhoods but the grass grows. I'm on the I'm on the uh American Legion state saying, you know, I'm going to call the township. Um in regards to this, I'm going to add a little twist. So, uh, that same night, 11:30, uh, in my bedroom, front of the house, I hear
eight shots. Look out, and there's four motorcycles going down the street. Look, review the, uh, surveillance on my, uh, the front of my house, and you can see the, uh, flash of the, uh, the gunfire. So, I'm in the military, 25 years, still active in the military. Uh, so I want to
put a little twist to this. I deployed. Um, I got to deal with that kind of stuff like somewhere else. I don't want to deal with it in my neighborhood. Yep. Mhm. So, um, sorry about that, but if I can't sleep at night and worrying
about that, uh, we need you, we need your help. So, um, I have kids, my house, uh, with the kids, five generations. My great-grandparents own the house. Uh, like I said, sorry, like being in the military, being around like gunshots,
stuff like that. like I still do my job, but like I can't I can't live in in a place where there's people shooting up a house and uh there's been, you know, history of this uh just like with the American Legion, but it's the the neighbors are constantly fighting,
fighting, fighting, fighting, and the neighborhood's going down. It's really going down. Um add another little twist. 332 Lafayette, that's my rental property. I am a landlord. Multif family rental property over there. I took it from the dumps to a very reputable
rental property over there. So I know uh as a landlord you cannot as you had said you cannot and the township cannot allow this landlord who lives in Belmeid New Jersey to continue to allow this to go
on. He can remove the rental license and at that point tell the tenants they got to get out. So we need your help. Uh again, sorry. I just I can't live in a place with gunfire and in Hamilton Township there
shouldn't be gunfire. You're like anywhere anywhere. I I've had to experience that deployed and I don't want to experience it in my neighborhood. David, thank you for your service. Thank you. Thank you for your service. And you are right and you do have our attention and you do have our support. Councilman
Carell. Yeah. I just wanted to Dennis, I just wanted to ask a quick question. Um, thank you for your service number one. But the second thing I wanted to ask you was um was the gunshot during the middle of the night was it is it related to 6
is it has to be related to 643 or was it something at the American Legion? No, no. I just Sorry. Uh I was just trying to be very brief cuz I know the 4 minutes. So this is I'm here for 643. 643 show. Okay. Okay. I just want to make sure just piggyback everything on Dave. I started off because we've had a little
history. I emailed you guys. Yes, Miss Phillips, we had talked and then just to uh segue into that Sher Avenue is going down and if it's wasn't for myself uh um Helen Sharpley whose
husband ex-husband is a firefighter now um we we're constantly, you know, Oprah requests, calling the township, calling the housing department, calling calling calling and last as people say uh you Oh, why do you care so much? It's pretty
sad that people say that cuz that's where I live. Who's that? Just general people cuz people say, "Oh, you worry too much." Okay. You know, but nobody from the township. Okay. But that's where I live. You know, I have pride where I live. So, thank you.
One one more question. Uh Dennis, uh how often are these disturbances happening? 643 Yeah. has been a a circus. So with regularity every week?
Yeah. Every few days. Every few days. Sometimes for a week or so. Oh yeah. You guys uh can only talk when you're at the microphone. Yeah. It's uh it's it's all the time. It's all the time. It's all the time.
Okay. This is a serious matter. Yeah, we're we're going to it's a quality of life issue like you know, you know, with all respect, my utmost respect, I don't really and when I say this care, it's with respect. I don't care about
the Tula Festival. I don't care about the S Gardens. I don't care about the Cruiser Mansion. I don't care about the parades. I don't care. I want my family to be safe and where I pay taxes. I want to just enjoy where I live. That's it. Nothing else. the library,
anything else. I just want to go to work, come home. That's it. Fair enough, Dennis. Agree with you. Understood. Absolutely. Okay. Let's see. Uh Peter, you're good. Thank you, Peter. Uh Rick
Tagno and Schiller Avenue. I want to thank everybody from Schiller Avenue and and we may hear from more Schiller Avenue residents, but I want to thank you guys for bringing that to our attention. Good evening, council. Um my name is Rick Tammano. I live at 37 East Acres
Drive. We spoke with you at the last um last council meeting. I'm here also to talk about the Dent Iron Brewery. um some information. The group of um homeowners that are concerned about the noise violations, we've been looking at other avenues as well as, you know,
going through the township looking to see um there was information that I shared last time about the Mercer County um agricultural development board. There was this resolution had a lot of things that were, you know, didn't list decel levels, but it listed um statements
about, you know, what was being agreed to as part of that process. Um a couple of the things, so we spoke last night in Euing. They had a um you know, public comment period at at their meeting. Um everyone, did you say in Euing? In Euing. Yeah.
I think I'm sorry. The Mercer County Step behind for a minute. Thank you. And I got it. Um, you know, everyone was there to do some public testimony. They said it was not, you know, a formal event. It was just a, you know, chance to publicly speak. Um, a group of neighbors came
there. We spoke very passionately about the way that these things were affecting us. Um, people getting up there and talking about they've been there for 40 years, you know, the angst that is causing them stress on their lives, the um, you know, the loss of um, you know, their own personal space and the ability
to use that. Um the owners were also there in attendance and when they came up afterwards, you know, they have the right to to speak at this thing too, but it was a situation where as opposed to coming up and talking about, hey, this is the first that we're hearing about
this. This is, you know, we want to be more neighborly, it was more don't believe your lying ears. It was there's a lot of people that support us. There's a lot of people that do this. This is the things that we've done. this and instead of it just felt very um it it
again it was their right to do that. This is their their business and they have that. But it it was very telling in the way that we're going to be if if they're not dealt with through the means of Mercer County or this township, it's
not going to happen on their own. We have a the feeling right now is that they do not care about our concerns whatsoever. And until we see otherwise, that's what that's the evidence in front of us right now. Um, so since the last meeting, we've had a
meeting with um with Fred Dumont. Um, I'm not going to get into all the specifics of that, but you know, we were told that they were going to go out there and do some things, some monitoring. Everything that's happened so far from the township's perspective to at least does not, we don't really feel supported yet. You know, I know
that you said give us some time. Let's see what happens. A day after the meeting that we had with them, I walked my dogs. They had an event on the Friday night, a public um you know, live music event. Walked the dogs to a road that's about a half mile down on East Acres
Drive. I could still hear the lyrics and the music and the bass clearly a half mile away on on the property. I can you I don't know the name of the road right now, but I can show you if you if you need to find out later on. In my yard, I'm directly next to them. I hear every
sound. Where we used to hear crickets, we don't hear anything except for a carnival. Feral kids running and screaming and yelling and cursing and things that that they're not being supervised by their parents. I'm the one that had kids ending up in my yard when
they broke through the fence. I'm concerned about someone drowning in my pool. You know, I'm concerned about things that I've never had to think about before. Public safety issues. We're having an October Fest. When there's an October Fest in Mercer County Park, there's police there. There's people doing traffic control. What's
going on out there? I feel like we are on the outskirts of something. This is something that some group of people sat down and looked at this and said, "This is a great idea. Let's put this thing right next to all these houses." And I'm not trying to be sarcastic in it, but it doesn't seem that it was well thought
out, and we'd like to see some remedy to this situation. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Rick. Dan Se. [Music] Good evening everyone. Thank you for
talking to us. Uh my name is Dan Seath. Uh 50 Post Lane. I was here at the last council meeting. You know my plight. Um, I think there's a theme here tonight. It seems to be quality of life where we live, where we pay our taxes, and this
is an issue. Now, I'm a small business owner and I feel weird coming here and attacking a small business. They're operating within their rights. They're doing what they're supposed to. And from what I'm told and from what I've even experienced, they reach out to us
enough with it's above and beyond what they have to do. Now, from what I've been told, this was granted by the county and it's regulated by the township. So, if you have a neighborhood of upset, you know, citizens here that
has a problem with how they're operating, I think that falls into why are they allowed to operate this way? They're not doing anything wrong. But that's the issue. At some point, when this was being put together, somebody with their intelligence looked at this,
looked at the plans. Everyone has blueprints and they go, "Well, what about those people? You think you want to build right on top of all those pre-existing homes with residents that have been there for 40 plus years?" Somebody said, "You know what? Don't worry about them. They don't matter."
Can I Can I get an answer to who that was? I just want to know what the mindset is when they said, "These residents don't matter. Do what you want." Thank you. Thank you. You're saying somebody said that? No. No, he's just hypothetic.
Uh, next is somebody. You got to be at the mic. You got to be at the mic here. If there's going to be a dispute, I mean, I we know how things work when you build stuff. You can't just go in anywhere in New Jersey and build any building you want. Things get approved.
It costs money. I'm sure they've spent a fortune. So, at some point, blueprints that I've seen with my own eyes, this is their building. This is Xenonville Road. Here's four or five pre-existing homes. Here's, you know, Old Post Lane. Hey,
there's my house. I've been there since 1980. There's the house next to me. They've been there since 1980. They got 55 sprawling acres. They brag about it. They're proud of it. They should be. Why did they build right on top of the pre-existing homes? Who said that's
okay? Thank you. Okay, next up is Marco Fernandez Obergon. Obergon. Thank you. And if you would state your name and address into the microphone.
My name is Marco Fernandez Obergon. I live in two Heathwood Lane. I came here for two reasons. One is to I can't talk talk about Pull the mic down a little bit. Yeah, talk about Bent Iron, the brewery with the with the extent the amount of sound
and noise that they generating. They didn't used to be like that. I mean, when they first came on board, it was fine. It was they had light they had light music on. It was nice atmosphere. And just recently, they started doing concerts. And the first concert I remember that they had, it was my my
house was shaking. And I I I don't live that far. I I mean I live maybe about half a mile quarter between a/4 mile and half a mile away and I could still hear the sound. So So it used to be I I moved in Hamilton 33 years ago. Okay. And uh it used the
reason I came up there was like living in the country. It was it was quiet. It was really you know I mean it was just really a nice place to grow up kids. There was a at that time there was a lot of kids that were neighbor they were in the neighborhood. Of course, the kids grow up and they they they leave. But
now you're getting a flux of new kids coming on board again. So now these concerts become a problem too because there's a lot of modality going on here. And now these parents buy these tickets for these for these concerts and they bring their kids into this concert. They
they they make a choice of them coming and putting their kids into this environment. We have no choice as neighborhood as a neighborhood people come in here and that's that's not right. The other thing is the security in terms of uh I remember the within the first couple of
months or so that there was an incident where I was coming home one night and a car just ran right through a stop sign and stopped by on Nexonville Road in Old York and he rammed the pole. Probably had too much to drink. So, the other thing is every time I go by there when when they're open, I'm curious to find
out if I have to look out for some drunken guy coming out of the brewery. So, that's another issue. That's why you have the police involved in coming around and taking care of that as well. So, they have just gotten louder and louder over the years until now. And I have nothing against I actually have
gone there a couple of times and it's really nice, but but when they put it outside, they don't have the setup for us to like not control the sound. I mean, do you hear it all the way down to my neighborhood like and then like I said, I'm not directly involved with with the the sound like some of my
neighbors like live literally right there. So, that's one thing. The other thing is I always think of our neighborhood as the forgotten neighborhood. We're the last people that get plowed every winter and our roadways, our roads are terrible. I mean, I have you in my in my I have a
corner property to Heath Lane and I have probably about over 600 linear feet that I have to that I have to basically clear out from from the weeding on on the wedge because the the secondary layer layer of asphalt is actually peeling off and it's the condition of all of that
whole neighborhood. Now, we met with Fred Dumont on the 18th of September to discuss the B the brewery. And at that point, I I contacted the one woman was there, G G. Larry, and I have brought pictures of the condition of the roads
in in in Hamilton and uh she told me to send them to me and I emailed her back then the same day to show what's going on there. And and it's horrific. You walk you you when you ride those that area those roadways every 20 feet
there's a kum kapum kapum and there's weeds growing all over the place on top of it. We shouldn't have to weed whack our curbs. That should not be our our jobs. And I remember at one point that the township used to come in and do the sweeper and sweep the roads and clean
them up. I I the only time I see them do that is when they pick up shrubs and stuff for the from the area. They should do like on a regular basis. They don't do that. Like I said, we I seem sometimes I feel like I the lost because we were really at the end of the tip of
Mercer. So, we're still Hamilton Township. I remember when I was when I worked for the board of education as as a facility director. They were happy that I lived in Hamilton. I literally lived by within a block. But in any event, uh I just wanted to bring those issues up to your attention. Thank you.
Thank you for I just want to make one comment. Yes. Um, Mr. Fernandez, I Fernandez, I know that our Councilman Pero did pay a visit uh to the neighborhood following that meeting. Um, Kathy, do we know what the scoring is on on some of those roads and and if we're taking some attention, you
know, want to address? We don't, but we can check that out if I get a list of roads that you say have issues. And I have no problem with going out there myself, but we actually have a report that scores all of the roads in the town. I got I got I got to say also that in the 33
years I've been there, there hasn't been a single road that has been fixed or repaired. I did complain two years ago about the condition of my apron. I had replaced my apron and my and my and my concrete driveway as well and it was
actually peeling off. The layer was peeling off and the response from the township was they came back and they gave me cold patch. That was their solution. That cold patch is two years ago and now it's starting to come out again. So, I don't know. But aside from that, we do have a road
replacement and repair program and we've had I can't remember what year we did it, but it was somewhere around 2022 or maybe the new equipment. Oh, we did the assessment with the new equipment.
You did some curb. There's some curbs in uh No, I'm talking about the assessment of the roads and each have been assigned a score and we use that uh score. We take the worst scores and we do those. We put
we set we uh set our schedule for either reconstruction or repair of the roads based on their evaluation, their condition. So when I get a list of roads, I can I can check the score and see what where they are on in relation to all the roads in
the township. But you recently did all of Broad Street and in some areas of that that that road was in a lot better condition than ours. So you know like I'm curious to find out who evaluates and who does these these
uh valuations and sets a score limit to what a roadway is. So, uh, I do think part of it is how heavily traveled the road is. There are a lot of factors that go into that. Uh, there are a lot of roads that we do pave every year, and it may be that,
uh, some of the roads that you're talking about, we're going to check, but sometimes they're on the list, but it still takes us a while to get to them because we put them on the list. I know. I know how I know how projects work out here. Believe me, I understand. You did say that's true. I did that. So, Mr. Mr. Fern, I appreciate uh your
input. But I wanted to ask you one more question if you don't mind. How often are these sound disturbances taking place? It's every week. It's at least a week. Every once a week at uh usually Saturday or depending on the schedule and that's see initially
they were supposed to have 26 events and they used to be open like Thursday, Friday and Saturday and Sunday. Now I've seen them that sometimes they have special events on Mondays then on Wednesdays and then the the concerts are usually like uh in the evening or late
evening uh for uh well they close at 9:00 every every night which is nice in that respect. Uh I just I I I feel for the for the neighbors who live literally right next to them. At one point I remember that all the lights, they have string lights around the perimeter and
I'm coming home late at night at 10 o'clock and it's all bright. I would hate to see those lights behind my house turned on that at that point as well. So So I mean I'm not complaining about it cuz I don't see that. But somebody somebody's got to be, you know, angry about what's going on over there. And a
lot of my neighbors are very angry, especially the ones that are right there that hear it. I mean, they they say they put trees down, but trees is not going to keep down sound. They need to do something else. And and I I know a lot of breweries that basically they have their events
indoors, not outside, you know. So, so if they have to build something for their for their acoustics, then that's what they have to do. But that's why we're here. We like we went to the we had a meeting yesterday in Marshall County and we also went with Fred Kum on earlier about this but I'm glad that
we're we're bring it up to your attention that council Hamilton that could possibly do something about it because you guys have the authority. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Mr. Fernandez, uh David Harris.
Yep. [Music] Clorox like uh Clorox, please. apologize. Who would you state your name and address? So, uh David Burox. I'm at three Heathwood Lane. I appreciate the time again and you can see I brought some backup with me this time. Um actually
very easy, you know, once you start talking to your neighbors and you find like it seems like everybody in the whole neighborhood, immediate vicinity of the brewery is very upset. Neighbors who I thought actually wouldn't be bothered at all. I I see that they're
actually very upset. A lot of people don't have the time to complain. A lot of people don't have the time to write an email. They don't have the time to come here and talk. They don't want to talk. They've got kids in soccer practice. I've got my daughter outside.
Luckily, she came. They're friends. They can play, you know. So, it, you know, there's some pluses though. My wife's at work. She's at in the hospital at Princeton Hospital right now. Nurse manager. She's working nights. I'm working late. When I'm done here, I'm
going to go back, put the kids to bed, and go right back to work answering emails. I work more than 40 hours a week. We come, we hit the weekend, that's our time. I get a shutdown. My wife is off. We're off. We move to this
neighborhood. I had, I think, five or six inspectors inspect my house. We were I lived in New Jersey for 12 years. I knew where I was moving. I selected very carefully the this neighborhood. I mentioned last time I have a son who's
in the spectrum. We looked at the schools. We looked at the towns. We very methodically carefully picked our neighborhood. We very carefully moved back to New Jersey from where we were in
Illinois. It was a big decision and it was centered around our family. Now having the brewery come in and make the noise that they are as regularly that they are, they have taken away our peace and serenity that we need in order to
have uh a positive family life at our house. My son, as I mentioned before, he needs that time to go outside. He plays his mind, we call it, or professionals might call it stmming. He you'll pass by my house probably even right now. He's
probably outside on the swing swinging right now. That's what he needs. He deals with a lot. He notices a lot of things. He has his headphones on. He still hears the brewery. He knows it's playing. He hears a dog barking. He hears me inside. He knows what's going
on. He's he and he knows it's irritable. when they're playing their music loud like they did in September. As I mentioned before, we had to vacate our property because he was getting upset. The doc was upset. The adults are upset.
It was insanely too loud. I came here, stated my case. It was mentioned that there'd be some sort of a meeting, maybe some mediation. I understand that there was a meeting. I didn't wasn't included in it. I was traveling that day, but didn't even know it was happening. So I
I for you know from my perspective I didn't see a lot of followup when we I'm sorry the meeting was when 8th of September I I don't have the exact I wasn't included as well. Okay. It was very last minute so it was not
not that inclusive and I think a couple neighbors scrambled to get the uh headcount that they did have and it was fairly represented. But um at any case when the the owners are approached and
asked you know to adjust what things are happening um we get statements like well we could be open 7 days a week and we could have noise and concerts 7 days a week. Well yeah they could make our lives a living hell and we can have more
neighbors up here and more complaining and it you know that doesn't seem right at all. It it probably was a mistake to have the brewery so close to to the house. We're probably in a way, if you look at it from a macro perspective, you've got preserved farmland there and
there's benefits that go along with that. You're operating a bar on that preserved farmland. I mean, it's a little ridiculous to begin with. So, if you're a farm brewery and you're going to make it a farm brewery, make it a farm brewery. Grow your grain, grow your wheat, do farming
things. Just because you say you're a farmer doesn't mean you are. David, uh, you're out of time. Uh, just to be clear, how often are the sound disturbances? I wasn't 100%. Yeah. Well, it seems to be more seasonal. So, right now when the weather
cools down and you want to enjoy your out outdoors more, they also want to have more outdoor concerts. So, uh, it it changes in frequency, but I've I've called the police and I have all the Hamilton police calls on my phone, and I only call when I hear it in my house,
and I can't get away from it. Then I call the police. And I have times when I've called the police at 2:00 p.m. in the afternoon, and then called again later at 5:00 and again later at 9:00 because nothing happens when I call the police. And I've called the police now nine times so far this year. And I have
all the dates saved on my phone. And that's, you know, just this year. Last year, I did call the police, too. Okay. Thank you, David. Yep. Uh, next is David Snook. Forgive me if I mispronounced. Would you
tell us your name and your address, please? My name is David Snook. I live at 28 East Acres Drive in Hamilton. I'd like that this not to go into my four minutes, but I grew up on the corner of Park at Schiller Avenue. My
mother was born in a house on 300 block of Schiller Avenue. I feel very, very, very sorry. It's terrible. Okay, we spoke last night up in Yuing on
Parkside Avenue to the to the uh county. Um, let me start out by saying that they approved that uh plan for the farm brewery on in in uh December of 2023. We met with the owners of the brewery on
March 4th of 2024. They committed to be good neighbors. They said they would have things like acoustic guitars playing for for entertainment. Lovely. Okay. They opened in July of 24. They
have had entertainment there periodically increased more during the course of time. Um the music is amplified the majority of the time. That's the problem. Amplified music. Nobody. There was a guy playing a
accordion for October Fest all afternoon. Not a problem. Nothing. Okay. So this is our major concern. Amplified music. on September 13th, which has already been talked about before, we had G Love and Special Sauce,
okay? A nightmare, a public relations nightmare for them, okay, with the neighbors. Okay, they said they testified that they the applicant testified they had no intention to have loud music or nightclub scenarios.
I I'm sorry. I take I dispute that. All right. Loud music. The house was shaking uh 825 ft from their property line. I did it with my golf laser. Okay, that's how far I am from the property line. All right.
Light background music. Light background music is not pulpadia that was there last Saturday. Okay. I've been married to a Polish gal for 53 years.
Poka music is not light background music. Yesterday I did a little bit of of research and I found that there's a noise control ordinance for the lawyers present. It's called 7929-1.1
in the New Jersey Administrative Code. It's it is it sets the standard for municipalities and for the state. Municipalities can change and modify that regulation on a local level, but it
cannot be any more liberal than what the state dictates. The Atlantic I made the mistake of going to Hamilton Township in Atlantic County and looking at theirs. They've reduced their decibel limit, acceptable decibel limit for residential
properties to 6.0. Ours is 65. Ours is Theirs is 60, excuse me. Ours is 65. So, they've made it more strict. Maybe Hamilton Township should consider doing that if it upsets this many of the
neighbors. Regulations, I dealt with them my whole working life, are changeable. There's seven live music events scheduled in in the month of October. One of them is a ticketed event. I don't
know what a ticketed event is except that they charge $75 on the last one for for Glove and Special Sauce to get in a special occasion event. All right. What is it? I want to know. I want to know
from you folks. what a special event is. All right. Do they have permits? Do they have security? Do they have traffic control? You need a permit to do everything in Hamilton Township. What's going on? Okay. They
can come up for two more minutes after everyone has had a chance to You won't let me use the Jimmy Valvano thing. What's the Jimmy Julian buddy? He's know what it is. You know what it is. It's the power. Great basketball coach, but I don't know
the reference then. Okay. Uh we have our director of economic development, Fred Dumont, here. He's been listening. Thank you for joining us, Fred. Thank you, council president, members of council, and thanks for all the people
from came out about Ben Iron Brewery. Um, there was an event September 13th. Uh, we were informed of it by Hamstat first thing Monday morning. Reached out to the owner, Peter Britain, who is here tonight. I would urge you to to talk to him, too. Um, did some investigation on
it. Uh, Mr. Snook, who I've known a while, um, reached out and we asked them to organize a meeting and, uh, members of that, um, residential area came in to meet with us on September 13th. Uh I was in attendance or uh zoning officer in
attendance, other members of my staff and officer O'Hara from the police department was in attendance and we listened and we heard everything. Every single complaint that they said some about the septic systems and about you know different things we investigate
every single vent we investigate and as Mr. Britain will tell you he was cited for that issue on the 13th and he admitted it was a mistake. Okay. He did that to me and our conversation. He said that he would take actions on everyone
since then. Now, I've got a reputation. I don't trust. I verify. And every single event that has been conducted since then, a member of either my staff or Hamilton Police Department have been including at the October Fest where we had concerns. October Fest had concerns.
Member of my staff was there. One complaint went into the police department. police department went out that night and found it unfound. So we have looked at every single thing. We the owner will admit whether he was duped or whatever into a
bad event on September 13th. And the problem out there is in the roads. I'm you know the hair in back of my neck went up with the roads. South Ball Street it that was paved was a county road. Okay. Hamilton town had no
no input to that was a county road. Uh most of you know Gia from my staff very very very very good at her job. When she spoke to Mr. Fernandez she asked for the pictures she gave the town of engineer who has had the road inspectors go out
and inspect those roads to uh uh get back about the conditions to the engineer to see if they need to be done. If I would have known tonight this is what I brought up I would have brought the results of that. Sorry I don't have that but I'm happy to have J reach out to Mr. for Fernandez tomorrow and share with him the results of that.
And one thing about me, I'm going to call it as it is, and I called it like it is in a meeting and I'm going to say it here tonight, too. You hear crickets a lot. That's what was only heard out there, crickets at one time, and now there's a business. But that V business, except for that one time, has not
violated our noise ordinance. They shut down their their music at 8:45 where on weekends they're allowed to 11:00. and we will continue to monitor them. You know why? Because despite what he says, "We work for the residents in this town. When they say there's a problem,
we respond." But the business has rights, too. And we go by the ordinance and we sell you. You've had people come in front of you saying that I was unfair in the way we treated them. Too tough on. All right. I'm so happy somebody says tonight,
"We're not tough enough because that means I'm shooting it right down the middle. We're going to do everything we can to monitor the business and I think you need to hear from Peter Brandon. We responded once we heard the complaints. If that happened on September 13th and
we were met with the residents on September 18th, that's pretty goddamn good in my book. Fred, how do you uh and thanks thank you for kind of giving us that rundown. How do you um enforce the noise ordinance? It's PD
that enforces the noise ordinance. We're relying on our health department because they are the actual ones who have the gun. We've had them a couple times go out there for events and Oh, the health department can measure the noise, the decibel meter.
Yep. You have to be a trained individual to to work the gun. You have to be certified to be able to do it, right? You could buy a gun on Amazon. Who knows if that's going to work. So when when there's a complaint about noise, it's actually someone from the health
department. Well, it actually lands on my desk all the time. Lands on your desk and then we have to call in if it if it Yes. if it gets to the point where it's this, you know, this many complaints and all of that and it can't
be determined or if it's an ongoing issue, right, they'll go out and Fred or whatever department is fielding the complaint usually reaches out to the health department so that they can schedule somebody to go out and and again, I don't know how they're
dispatched to do that, but they they do. So, so PD has no um technology on them personally except just to go out and evaluate it themselves and try and make a determination that the noise is too loud. Yes. And I I don't know their methods
for doing that and maybe the officers could have different ways of trying to measure whether they need to call right the the health department out. But, you know, I do know that Fred's correct that when we get the complaints, we send
somebody out. If they go into PD, PD does go out. So, I know that somebody had said that, you know, many calls were made. And I'd like to know the dates of those calls cuz I want to make sure, right, that RPD is going out when they're getting the calls. But I will I
will say, Brett, when when a resident comes and they say they're in their home with their windows closed and can still hear the noise creating a disturbance, they have my attention. That's a
problem. And I don't know if it violates the law, but if that's not a violation of the law, then we got to think about why that's not a violation of the law. Well, council president, I told you I had staff there on Saturday. I was there 1:00. Our zoning officer there was 3:00
till 6:00 and then police were there and that music was not loud. There wasn't there was an according play. I think Mr. Snook said it. Listen, beauties in the eyes of beholder. Mr. Snook said it wasn't bad. The people in the back said it was bad. All right. It this isn't Hold on. Let me speak. This is a
difficult situation. It It's not easy. And believe it or not, my heart goes out to him. But we have ordinances to follow. And that's the we're following and you need to talk to Mr. Britain. It's my last point. Sheiler Avenue, I leave alone the rest of the night. Let
Mrs. Monzo contact the police chief and she'll be able to get back to you. All right. I stepped out of her room, called the housing inspector, and uh he told me some things that uh that should should not be spoken about here later on tonight. And that's not saying we shouldn't tell them what happens. It's being handled in a sensitive manner with
the police department. Good. All right. Thank you, Fred. Thanks for the quick response on that and giving us more information about uh the situation with the brewery. Um we appreciate
he's welcome he's welcome to raise his hand and come up if he wants to. Well, he said it only. Okay. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Hold on everybody. Everybody hold on. We only speak at the microphone everybody. Okay. Let's keep it
civil. Let's keep it civilized. Okay. I appreciate I appreciate your frustration. Mr. Britain, you want to come up? We've we've heard your name several times now. Would you state your name and address for us, please?
Peter Britain, 70Xville Road, Hamilton. Thank you. So, as Fred just mentioned, we're keenly aware that the concert that we had in September was above and beyond anything that we plan on doing in the future. We're taking that out of the equation and that is not going to happen
again. Um, some of the common themes beyond that that I've been listening to tonight and we also went last night to the A meeting. Common themes were number one to concert, number two the loud music. We do go out every time we have live music. We have our own decibel
meter and as Fred just mentioned, we are not trained. It's something we bought on Amazon. So, take it for what it is. But we do have a decibel meter that we go out to the property line and we take a measurement and we take a picture and we put it into an electronic file every single time just for reasons like this.
Happy to share those with everybody. Um, we also, one of the other common themes that I've been listening to is screening um to some of the property lines and with kids and whatnot going up to the edge of the property line with um what Rick had mentioned before. I do have
pictures here if anybody would like to see them um of a fence that we put up that's about 125 ft from his property line to keep all of our customers 125 ft from the property line. Um, I met with Rick and two of his other neighbors
about three or four months ago and that was one of their main concerns on top of the music. So, we acted on it out of our own pocket, put in the fence, keeps everybody 125 ft off. One of the other common themes was um screening um with
one of the adjacent neighbors. I went through and this was during construction. I built a 5ft high burm. I put 40 trees on it, 20 evergreens, 20 birch trees. It's 5 foot high, 12t wide. Again, at our own expense. I have pictures of that as well if anybody like
to to see any of that. So, we we do care and we do try to do our best when we meet with people and they, you know, explain what their what their issues are. Um, one of the other comments that I heard today was farming and that we're not farming as much as we should. I've
been on the tractor for the past 2 days just getting ahead of this rain that's coming tonight to put in 15 acres of barley which we did last year too and we did the year before that. I have 300 hop plants that grow. I've been growing those for 3 years. The agricult the Mercer County a comes out every single
year and does an inspection of the barley and the hops to make sure that we're within where we need to be. The past two years we're supposed to be 51%. The past 2 years I've been at 80%. We're doing way more than what we need to do on the farming end. We're going to be planting balloon next week. Anybody
wants to come out and watch, I'm more than happy to come out and watch it the process and um see how it goes. Um [Music] I think that's really all I have on my uh my list here. You guys have any questions that I can help with?
Any questions? Uh, Peter, what is typically the um I guess it's during the spring, summer, and early fall. And that's typically your concert months or the music months that you'll have over the weekend typically. Yes. So, we've only had one concert,
which that was the the big one in September. September 13 on doing in terms of live music, it's Friday and Saturday, and it's outside. It's generally when the weather's nice. So, that would be spring, summer, and fall. As it starts to get colder, we move the music inside
and the fence, sorry. And the fence is being installed or has been It's installed. It's been installed for about 2 months. So, to be fair, the fence isn't going to address issue. It might keep people Yeah. The fence doesn't help acoustics. It just it help kept, you know, keep the
kids from going up to the property. So what do you say to um the uh reports that we've received regarding obscenities, obscene
language, obscene music? Uh is this a regular occurrence? What's what's happening? We go through with every live music, every band, whatnot, we go through their set list and to ensure that there is no obscenities. It doesn't mean that one or two doesn't slip through, but we do meet
with them before they play. Um, especially with the concert. Um, there may have been one or two that has slipped through, some got excited when they were singing or whatnot. U, but we do try to go through their set list and make sure that there is no, you know, obscene music. Who spoken the bands for you?
Uh, my other partner Dave, who's one of the owners doing it in house? Yep. And he's here tonight. Would love to come up after me and, you know, add a few more points. All right. Um how many so live you're distinguishing between concerts
and live music events. You're saying you had one concert but you do have regular live music events which uh does it the live music events must be causing an issue for the neighbors as well. Uh,
what additional measures can you take to uh reduce the noise, mitigate the effect of the noise on the neighbors? We could just make sure that's not turned up too loud. I mean, I don't I'm not an acoustic guy. I'm not going to stand up here and give you a million different ways. I do say, like I said
before, we do go around and we check with a decibel meter. We're allowed to go up to 65. We are, you know, we're allowed to be open until 10 11:00 at night. We shut down at 9:00. We do last call at 8:30. We get really aggressive getting people out of the door by 9, 9:15. If anybody's left outside by the
fire pits or whatnot, we start flashing lights. We're super aggressive. Our employees want to go home. Um, we don't want to be loud for the neighbors. Um, so it's not, you know, a lot of the times when the the police come or we get these phone calls, it's 2:00 in the afternoon on a Saturday. It's 4:00 in the afternoon on a Saturday. It's not
not necessarily 8:00 or 8:30. Our music has w has wound down by then. We're just cleaning up classes and getting people out the door. What time Well, music usually winds down around 8:00. 8:00. Yep. What products are you allowed to sell? Beer.
Beer. That's it. Right. We're allowed to sell water and Gatorade and whatever. In terms of alcoholic products, uh beer. You sell beer and you can sell other non-alcoholic beverages. Correct. You're not allowed to sell food. We can sell prepackaged food. You can sell preackaged to have food
trucks. And you're allowed to have food trucks. Yep. Okay. What other questions from Kel? I maybe just a statement I guess I you know I I kind of understand where the folks are coming from. You know you you move
out to an area um where you have want to have quality of life, right? Some people like living more in the suburbs. Some people like, you know, the country. You know, I grew up in a neighborhood of Hamilton that for years was hundreds of acres behind my house. And you know, it
got developed eventually. I lived on the border of Robinsville and you know, nothing like this. But and I don't think anybody has an objection to the brewery being there. It's more of an objection to what they have to put up with with the music. And I think it's just a part
of being a good neighbor. I'm not saying you're not a good neighbor. I'm just saying we got to be better neighbors, right? We got to be cognizant of the of and respectful of the people that live out there, right? and try to tone it down. I don't think they they're
objecting to music. It's just the the amplification of it that is causing disturbances amongst the community. I mean, the last uh I think it was last month or maybe two meetings ago when it first came up and there was a couple
gentlemen that came that night and spoke about it, you know, and and I I tend to agree with them. And now we have more residents that are starting to come out and complain about it and they're trying to send a message that that they just want you to tone it down. Just tone it
down. This, you know, let's be good neighbors. And and I think you are right. I I I think you you're trying to do a good thing. You you know, you run the business. I I have no problem with I think you know these uh micro breweries and stuff that that are popping up. I
think it's good opportunities for people um that want to start a business. But we have to recognize the surroundings of of where your establishment is and just be more respectful. I think that's what it comes down to. And I don't I don't disagree with you.
I just, you know, you I think you're hearing the complaints and you're hearing from us. And I think it's just a matter of just changing that business operation of just turn the volume down. You know, just turn the volume down. I don't think anybody's going to leave cuz you you turn the volume down. You know,
everybody wants to hear loud music. I get it to a setting or whatever, but I also like to hear music, too. But I also want to be able to talk to the person next to me, you know, without the music uh amplifying my conversation out. So, I think that's what the I think that's
what they're asking is just be good neighbors and work with the residents that surround that that that surround your business operation. I you know, I maybe I need to come out on a Saturday and listen to them myself. I tend to try and get get out of town once in a while,
but uh maybe I have to come out. I mean, I've driven on your property. I've seen the operation. Yeah, it looks great. I never knew about the concerts, you know, and and the music. I'm not against the music. It's just Let's Let's just tone it down, please. Please. Like I said, I I don't disagree with
your comments. Um we do plan on reaching out to the neighbors to try to sit down and talk with everybody and find some middle ground. Yeah, I I appreciate that you're here. I appreciate that you are listening to your neighbors. Um, I also appreciate
how many of your neighbors have come out to express their concern uh to uh express the fact that your business is causing a disruption in the neighborhood uh to what was a quiet neighborhood. Uh,
and and I'm concerned and I appreciate that you pointed out you could be perhaps louder. You could perhaps have more music, right, within the law and but that position
then you're forcing us to act. So my hope is that you'll act to get into harmonious relations with your neighbors and not force us to act. That's my hope. Understood. Okay.
And I think that's a good idea having a meeting with your neighbors. Invite them to the to your facility and and and have an open dialogue with them and just listen to what their concerns are. I agree. Appreciate you coming up and the the broad. Thank you.
Thank you. Uh who else who hasn't had a chance to talk yet would like to come up? Yes, ma'am. We're gonna Yes. Hi, my name is Clefenzy Lightner. I'm um I live on 639 Schiller. Thank you.
Um so, um I have been in direct contact with the um landlord of the property. Um I was the one that initially reported the incident that happened um two Sundays ago to him and um he was you know he's very nice and he was very responsive and later that he told me
give him till the end of day and he I gave him till the end of day and he sent me a text back um that he issued a 3-day um notice to quit the property. Um, I followed up with him about a week and a half later and last Friday he told me that the notice was sent and he even
sent me a copy of the notice. Um, but from what I understand, I don't know the law that well, you know, most of these types of people, they know the laws, too. So, they're probably going to fight it to the end um, until it goes into eviction court for this to go through um, for them to be, you know, physically
removed or forcibly removed rather. Um, I've been on chiller on at that address for 22 years. I've raised children there. I have two daughters in college right now. And I I seriously don't want them to come home because of what's going on. One of them um one of the
residents there made an advance at my youngest daughter, 18 years old, coming from college. She asked, can she park in the empty spot? They would double parked and they told her, "If you give her my phone number, I'll I'll let you park there." Un unacceptable. Unacceptable. my daughter's coming home for um fall
break this coming weekend. I I don't want her to come home and that should not be I' we've never had this types of incidents on that street before. We've seen ambulance for people who get sick, fire trucks for, you know, home emergencies, but we've never seen this much police activity since we since I've
lived there. Never. And it's very disheartening. The other day, a car backfired driving past and since that incident, I've laid flat on my couch and that should not be a reaction that I had. I just have to say you live in a nice
neighborhood. You have a disruption right now. Uh we want to protect your neighborhood, protect you, uh protect your safety, and protect your quality of life. Uh so we are we're taking this
seriously and uh we're going to we're going to get updates uh tomorrow. We're going to have more information about what's being done and we will communicate with you uh regarding this. Thank you.
Thank you for the time. Thank you for coming. Any other folks who haven't had a chance? Janice and then you're next. And anybody that wants to finish your two minutes and then we'll get to two minutes.
Janice 432 Trinity Avenue Cornell. Hello, J. Okay. Um, thank you for the update of one of me and I made sure I had perfect attendance even though my water heaters flooded my basement at 4:00 today. So, I was able to get out in time to get
here. But, um, I have a very good plumber. But, uh, as to your discussion about the the tavern, uh, the brewery, I don't want to get my definitions wrong here. Uh, I think it was what you said
was right. I mean they have a decibel meter. True. But what is acceptable to people according to the meter and what's acceptable to the people in real life are two different ball games. And if I was an owner and I knew I was upsetting
this many people, I would do my utmost to make them happy, you know, so that way they still like me in the neighborhood, you know. And like I said, it's a shame they built so close to the neighborhood. Why they had so much land why they didn't build farther away. But if the people are upset, you want your
neighbors to be happy and there's the music will still be playing, but lower it to the level that makes them happy. They're the ones that have to listen to this. It might not be their type of music either. So why would you know and they have to put up with it. So make your neighbors happy. You're still
playing the music, but put it down so everybody enjoys their life out there. They were there first. And so, uh, they're the ones that built there. They're the ones that wanted to live there because it was so nice and quiet. Don't ruin their neighborhood. Calm it
down to adjust to them. And you have your music. Don't go. Of course, the decibb are like this. I mean, your your decibel and my decibel are two different ball games. So, go according to their decibel. They're the ones that have to put up with it 365 days a year.
Thank you. Thanks, guys. and the young lady in the t-shirt, [Music] the pancakes t-shirt. Um, I'm Julia Rea. I'm Mike's wife. I
live at 9 Heathwood. Um, part of the bent iron situation. Um, I actually have two issues. Um, I think a lot's been said on that. Um, I just wanted to note that when they had their agreement with the agricultural board, they said like background music and didn't intend to
host concerts. Just wanted to say that. Um, another issue we're actually we've had consistently probably about two or three times. Um, we have an acre of property. We're paying over $11,000 in taxes every year. Um, sometimes we hire help. Um, you know, somebody comes in,
they take our leaves and they take our, you know, brush. Um, the person who cuts our lawn occasionally, like I said, and helps out with that stuff. has been harassed twice and had the police threaten to call be called on him by the brush pickup people. Um, so I just wanted to let you guys know that and if
you could, you know, make sure that that stops, that would be nice. They said we're not allowed to have hired help put Rush out and have them pick it up. As far as I know, that's actually true. Is that true? That's true. How is that true? Yep. Do it. That's true.
You're hiring somebody to do the work. Well, in the last instance, I'm sorry. Um, in the last instance that this happened, all the stuff that was on the curb was actually from me and it had been sitting there for an entire month. And it just so happened that the man that was helping us was there and
generated about this much waste and he was the one who got caught and harassed. Just so you know, we and most municipalities, I think, I think it's pretty standard. uh professional landscapers have to take away really
the debris that they create whereas a a resident can put it out and we will pick it up. Okay. So leaves, brush of any sort. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Okay. That still did happen though. The it was very long uh pile that I had put
out and he was harassed about it. It wasn't him. So yeah. Well, hopefully you know everyone can kind of be civil about it. All right. Thank you. It's a tough issue.
Okay. Any other folks who haven't had a chance to speak who would like to get up? Seeing none, we'll go to uh a round of two minutes and we'll just we'll go right from the top. So, uh Mr.
ShraMM, you're okay. Mike. [Music] Hello again. Mike Ra. I'm Heath Wine. Um mainly I want to question um Mr. Dumont. I've never met you. I'd love to have a conversation with you and also the
owners. I've never met you as well. Um the the codes require the measurements be taken at the receiving property, not the source. Um I'm not a sound engineer, but I know sound travels. At the source, it's going to be a different reading than what you're hearing further away. Um, and the policy specifically says it
should be read at the receiving side. And I believe nobody's had any engineer on their property checking these levels. Uh, also they mentioned the 65 del maximum, which is true, but in the thing I mentioned prior, uh, section 311-8,
it also has to remain within 6 dB of the residual sound. Um, Fred mentioned that all we heard was crickets before. music over crickets is clearly gonna be a huge difference in decb. So I just wanted to point that out. Thank you. M Leanne,
chair, decel guns are taken at the fence line. [Music] Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Uh who else would like to get up for 2 minutes? We'll go over here. Uh in the green shirt. We'll go with the
gentleman in the green shirt to start. We'll come over here and we'll go to you. [Music] Well, again, it's Rick Shamano, 37 East Acres. Um, I know the owner was up here for a little bit more than much more than four minutes, so I don't know if
that was because of the questions, but I have a lot more than I think I'm going to get through in the 2 minutes. I mentioned before that we do not feel supported by the town so far. We had a meeting that I had scheduled, I tried to schedule it before the Glove concert, a week before. The only response that we
got was that they went out there with one of the township inspectors, found out that they were doing some type of sound measurement on a Wednesday when there was no music going on, and then we were told that they made a decision at the end of it that they are in compliance. How can you determine compliance on a day when there's no
music going on? When we finally did meet with Fred Dumont, this was a quick question. I know this doesn't impact your 2 minutes, but um you said that they met with township officials to do a test. We received an email from one of the
that one of the inspectors went out there. I could get the dates for all these things. They said that they went out and they made a determination that they are in compliance. I do not on a day when a concert or live music was not on it was on a Wednesday afternoon. It
was a day before we met with Mr. Dumont and he basically is saying that they went out there and did some type of an inspection. I have no other information other than that. I can provide you with the email if you need to. Wow. I I am sorry. I do not have that information. So I requested a meeting.
So 2 days after the council meeting, I did not get the meeting that I requested before the Glob. We had very valid concerns about security. This was above and beyond the norm. This was the first time that they're now a paid concert venue. We were dealing with a Stone Pony situation. I'm want to ask them, was new
zoning approved? Isn't this a commercial concert venue when you're now charging people? It's a 21 and above event. I don't want to get hung up on that G love thing, though, because that was not that's not the pressing issue for me on a day-to-day basis when they have live
music. They only have a they only have them once a week, twice a week. But what's to stop this in the future? A precedent is going to be set with how this is dealt with with with this board. I want to know factually who is the person that's measuring the decibel
levels. Are they measuring on my property? And I'd like to meet with them and find out what is the science. This is not an opinion. These codes are science. I'm an engineer. I'm very analytical. I understand these are not things, you know, we have people up here talking about six dB above base levels.
We have other people using things from Amazon. This there should be a professional involved in this making permanent records of of these events. And to get back to this meeting that we had, I have this a meeting scheduled with me and and Dan.
Make your point as quickly as you can. It was supposed to be the two of us. I had a list of different things that I wanted to to discuss. I showed up at the meeting and all my fine neighbors were there. It was I was great to see them. We were very surprised that we got lumped into a big group meeting and instead of me getting to be able to sit
down and go through the things that I wanted to do, Fred was very dismissive to me. There were people he he mischaracterized some things that I said about the police officers. I don't know what's going on with this situation. I don't know if I rubbed him the wrong way. I didn't do anything except for show up to a meeting and then we're here
tonight. We're hearing about him pleading to have an owner come up here and talk about it. I do not feel that we are being adequately represented in this situation. And the last points that I want to make is that I'm trying to figure out when this project went from a 38 parking spot thing to a new parking
lot that was added after the meeting that we had with them initially that now has an additional 145 parking spaces. At some point we were sold something and then we were delivered something completely different and somehow the township was involved in that. None of us know how it happened but we were told
it was going to be this quiet small event. We had a premeating with the owners. They seemed like this was not our concern in the beginning and it turned into an absolute nightmare for us that we're continuing to deal with. Thank you.
[Music] Can I talk about this meeting? Want to respond? Absolutely. Call for a meeting. Two people to come in. Then we receive we received other calls from people who
wanted to meet. We brought everybody in. And if you have an objection to that, you think we perform wrong, I'd love to hear, but I think we work for all the residents and that's why we brought everybody into one meeting and heard everybody at that meeting.
Right. Thank you. Thank you, Fred. Uh two minutes. Let's see. We were going to go over here. Yes. Dennis comp 607 Avenue. I just wanted to touch upon one other thing cuz we uh
trying to get all my thoughts out. So, previously before the uh the shooting uh months prior, uh my spouse uh they work as a flight attendants to come home all different hours of the the night. And uh when they were going to the house, uh there was two people walking down the
sidewalk coming from that residence. uh one was very distraught and the other one was kind of like chasing after them to like come back and the female said I don't care if they have a effing gun. So that was something to add to that conversation.
Um and then lastly, um I commend all the neighbors for sticking together for the brewery. Um, but I I did want to throw that out there that due to the nature of the what's going on there, the 600 block of Schiller, a lot of people don't want
to get involved because they live there. They don't like. So, even myself, you know, being in the military, the police officer said, "Hey, we see you have but the some of the people from that residence were sitting on the corner at one house away. They said, "Hey, no disrespect to the officer, but
they said, "Hey, we see you have cameras. Do you have any footage?" And I was like, "Um, can you go can you like go away, please? Like I don't want to be, you know, put myself out there." So then I called the police off I called the uh the non-emergency number after he
walked away. And I said, "Uh, can you have the officer come back in about 30 minutes cuz they were out there for a couple hours. The officer uh came to the door. We invited him into the house. We provided all the video surveillance that he wanted." So a lot of the neighbors, they don't want to put cuz they live there. They don't want their house
vandalized. They don't want the cars vandalized. So, had it been something else like, you know, the Brent Iron Brewery, maybe we'd have the entire block here to represent. But when you say shooting up a house, a lot of people, they don't want to get
involved. They they're afraid. I've talked to other residents, but they're concerned for the safety of their, you know, their spouse, their kids, their property, their cars. They don't want anything vandalized. So that's why we don't have the ginormous presence Dave and myself and
his wife and my neighbor. We were brave enough to come here speak on it. Uh cuz you know hopefully the action we appreciate everything you do. I would not want to be in your shoes and I commend you for being up here because this is a situation that I know you guys I feel confident that you're going to do
something about it, but this is just one more thing on your plate. So I I respect that and thank you for your time. Thank you. I I and and I I just want to reassure you, we take this matter very seriously. It doesn't matter if there have been one of
you who came out and reported what you reported tonight, we would be taking it just as seriously. Sure. This is an extremely serious matter. This is a serious matter. It is. Yeah. They're all serious matters. And when you live in a neighborhood, your quality
of life is being disrupted. It's a serious matter. But you're feeling good when you have more ammunition with the the level of of uh you know threat here is is next level and we're taking it
very seriously. We're going to be following up on it tomorrow and thank you for your time. It's going to be addressed. You know, one of the things I we can't sit here and say that we're gonna wave a magic wand and have something uh happen on the
time frame that we would all like it to happen, which is instantly, right? But I can assure all of you here tonight that it will be addressed. This matter, uh this is this is being addressed and will continue to be addressed until it's
solved. Uh you live in a nice neighborhood. Uh you live in a family neighborhood, a lot of children. Um you know, it's it's always been a great a great neighborhood, eclectic. Uh just really a lot of appeal. Uh we
don't want to see that. Uh we don't want to we don't want to lose that. Sure. Uh it's important. Uh so this has to be addressed. It can't be allowed to go on. So it's it's going to be addressed. We're going to be in touch. Much appreciated. Thank you. take this.
Um, and on on this matter, we've heard from Yes, sir. for the first time. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Hi, uh, David Sass. I'm also one of the owners of Bent Iron Brewing 7X from Bill. Um, just wanted to bring up a
couple quick points in two minutes. Um, apologies for not signing in when we came in. It was nothing nefarious. We came in the back door. Didn't want to interrupt the pledge of allegiance. Didn't require sign. Okay. Um, one point I want to make, um, you know, we did go to the Euing to the, uh, a
board yesterday and, uh, apologies if our our message didn't come across as intended. Um, we were trying to show that we were good neighbors. Realize that screening and trees and fences don't address a noise issue, but we did do all those out of our pocket, and we realized being a good neighbor is um,
important. Um, I think somebody brought it up. I'm not sure who did, but um all these meetings that have happened, neighborhood meetings, we haven't been invited to one of them. We didn't know that any of this was being discussed at the town council last week. We got that secondhand and watched it on YouTube and
also got secondhand that we were being discussed last night. We are open to discuss. We want to find a solution here. Um I've given out and Peter's given out a cell phone number before. Um I was just about to give it out here, but I think this goes on YouTube, so I'm not going to do that. But I'm happy to stay after. Um, anyone that wants to
have my cell phone number, we've got to figure out a way to get everybody to talk. Um, that was the point of the message last night. Not that bushes and trees and everything address the issues there, but we're willing and we want to be good neighbors and work with the neighbors. Um, got to find out a figure
out a way to communicate. Um, we would have loved to known if this was happening beforehand. We actually do have a lot of support in the neighborhood. Um, if we had time, we knew this is coming. Well, maybe maybe wouldn't have we probably would have brought support, but um you know, there is a flip side to this, too. But I guess
my real point is, you know, we're looking for a way to communicate. Again, I want to make sure that that's crystal clear to everybody here if it wasn't last night. Um I'll hang around, Peter will hang around after. You want to exchange cell phone numbers, figure out a place to meet, whatever works. Um and thank you for your time.
So, D uh David, thank you for being here. You know, I'm I'm hopeful that uh this can be worked out. Uh you know, we have the parties here. Everybody has been listening to one another. Uh and
I'm hopeful that there quickly can come to a resolution, right? because we do have an extraordinary number of your neighbors who come out and those are a percentage of the folks actually uh as
as one of your neighbors pointed out a lot of people don't have the wherewithal to come to a council meeting on a week night right to be sitting here at quarter after 8 uh talking about uh these matters right so we have folks a
lot of folks who taking the time to come out. Uh I'm hopeful that you can all come together and work this out. I will say it's not the first time we've had sound issues uh in the township. uh you know, we we had a a ball field uh that h
that installed a a Yankee Stadiumsized sound system uh and and uh you know that had to be addressed and and you know eventually we got to a point where you know the kids could have their walk-on music, right? the parents could enjoy it
and the players could enjoy it without uh neighbors a mile away being subjected to it, right? So hopefully we can get to a point where your patrons, your customers are able to enjoy music without your neighbors being subjected
to it. So that's my hope is that everybody can get together, we can figure this out. Uh cuz then we don't have to get in the middle of it. So, thank you for being here. Thank you for being willing to have this dialogue. We we share that same hope and think
there's a way to to work things out. You've already been up twice, so you don't you don't get to come up a third asking you to get involved with it. That's what I'm saying. All right. Listen, guys. You can't be talking. We're going to we're going to hear from your neighbor and
[Music] That's keep apologize. I can go back if you want. No, let's give him his two minutes and then you're next. I will postlate. Uh I just I'd like to bring up two two separate things. I only have two minutes. Um you folks are homeowners, I
would assume. Okay. Probably you own your own homes. You have thoughts of selling those homes at some point, right? Right. Or at least pass them along. I mean, I'm asking you. Yeah. Okay. So, you're familiar with like open houses, right? When are open houses?
Wednesdays, Tuesday nights? No, they're Saturdays. They're Sundays. Sundays. How can I assure that I can have an open house to sell my property without there being St. Greg's Carnival next to it or Woodstock next to it. That's I just want
to know these kind of things like longevity is this is part of this. You know, these these are legacy homes with legacy families. we want to pass this on or we want to get out and get as much as we deserve, you know, and I feel like this situation is going to put a
hindrance on that. So, is there any way that we can that we can uh maybe think about the longevity? Also, what happens with this brewery in 10 years? What happens with it in 20 years? Their expansion is limited. They can't expand their canning on their property. They
don't have any more farm to keep growing on. So this there is a there's a possibility that this might have a lifespan. This may not be yingling. Okay? There could be like an end to this where beer isn't popular or whatever. You know, we can't afford to buy it
anymore. Who knows what could happen? What happens to the to like the disabled neighborhood now that we have this defunct brewery behind it in time? Okay, that's that's one point. The second part is I don't know Mr. Dumont. I'd met him
at this meeting for the first time. I have two takeaways from that meeting. One, he gave a very emotional uh personal testimonial about uh Mr. Britain. He said, "Peter Britain is a good man. Must have said it 10 times." We didn't ask. I don't doubt him, but I
don't know why he was so animate to tell us that. The second thing is, and I think one of you brought this up at the last council meeting, was that when we talked about the sound, somebody said wall. Somebody said we should put up a sound wall. It was like without even thinking it kind of just got muttered
out of somebody's mouth on the council. Mr. Dumont, whose background I have no idea, was adamant that we don't want that. We don't want to put up a wall. We don't want a partition. We don't want to block the sound. Now, the brewery has been good enough to plant their own
plants, push the dirt up, build a burm. So, let's have the township put a wall on the other side of all that growth so the brewery doesn't have anything changed from their aesthetics and we don't have so much exposure to them. Think about it. Thank you,
Mr. Mr. Snook. Is it Mr. Snook? That's correct. Please. I heard tonight I heard tonight for the first time that Ben Iron uh accepted responsibility
for that concert. I I wish I had heard it before. I've had a lot of problems with communication with the with the township. I think that decision was excuse me with the township with the township a lot of problem.
Okay. Okay. after our September 18th meeting. Okay. So, one of the things that bothered me, I watched last time's uh video and one of my neighbors who
said that his son is on the spectrum and that it was sp so bad that he had to take his son from the premises. If that is not a health and safety concern that strikes within each one of
you, then I think I think we got a problem. I think it's it's it's very sad that someone would have to remove their child from a premises because of an outside interference. So, just just think about it. Are you
are you and and I don't mean to uh be argumentative, but are you under the impression that we're not concerned about your issue, are you under the impression that we don't intend to act if necessary? Thank you. Not at all. Okay. I just want to make sure. No, I based on some of what what I'm
hearing here in the latest No, not not at all. And and I think and let's go to the next point. Yesterday I did a little research. I feel like it's a part-time job for me now. I retire I'm retired 17 years and I feel like I got a part-time job now.
Okay. I called I looked I was looking for regulations and that was when I found that regulation that I quoted when I first got up here and it says that D is responsible for monitoring noise. But they on a call to DP, I had a call. I
had a return call from a lovely woman, very conscientious lady who told me that they contract with the county department of health to monitor noise complaints. You're off the hook. You're off the hook. The countyy's
responsible for it. They have a contract with D to monitor sound complaints. Why didn't anybody know that last night? The county didn't know it. So, I I'm kind of shocked about that.
So, all I'm asking is I think the the real thrust of it and I think Mr. Whan and I thank you very much. um hit the nail on the head is common sense because if the if the limit is 60 and you in your homes take a take a stereo system
and set it for 59 and put it in the center of your street on at 8:00 at night while it's dark out right now. I don't think your neighbors will be happy. I think the township will get a lot of calls. All right. So, we're
looking for not three dB, not two dB, not five dB from the limit. We're talking about common sense. Mr. Snook, I just want to ask you a quick question. Um cuz you know, our last CO council meeting, we had neighbors speak. Some of the same
neighbors came this meeting. Yes. Um is and you're just one of the residents here. Yes. It was this something that was building up throughout the summer into September and then the September 13th date hit and that concert just
was the breaking point. Is that what I'm hearing from Oh, that was it was bad. And I w I wish there had been some admission of culpability initially. I really do because it would like as I said to you before was a public relations nightmare.
It really was for them. it and you know we're talking about these sound levels and people are talking about I go out in my backyard there's 12 pages of regulations on calibrating sound devices on if this has to get into a legal
process everybody's going to be challenging well what kind did you use what what time did you calibrate it did you do it every hour like you're supposed to did you put up a wind screen because that's what lawyers do they try to undermine the evidence and that can go both ways, you know. So, we really
need to avoid this and use, as Mr. Whan said, common sense. All of, you know, that's also why I'm hoping that the parties here, the neighbors can get together. It's not that we're not here to be involved. That's not what I'm
saying. What I'm saying is I'm hoping that everyone involved here can come together and use common sense and solve this problem. problem. It should be able to be solved relatively quickly. This shouldn't have
to be an ongoing issue that we're still talking about in a month or two months. This is an issue that should be able to be solved relatively quickly. So, my hope is everyone will come together and solve it and that we don't have to
get in the middle and take action. That's my hope. I hope that's great. You've never seen me before. I've never been to to council. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
My last director Duma, I will not live in a town where we allow sound barriers 20 foot high between disputing neighbors or businesses. That was not a good look. That's not what our town needs to be of. I stand firm in
that statement. Mr. Slook talked about communication with the town on September 23rd. He writes to me, "Did Peter Britain acknowledge that it was poor judgment to have the performance at the brewery? Does he have any intention of apologizing to demonstrate his previously stated goodwill to his
neighbors?" Mr. Britain did apologize to me. Mr. Snook asked me if he did. I am not going to divulge my conversations with any one individual. I am reason I wanted Peter Britain to come up so he could say what he said tonight is what he said to me. All right. And I told you
we've monitored every situation. Not one township employee who has been out there on weekends or night has been compensated for their time. Not one. They've all done it on their own to gone out there to accommodate and make sure we could get control of this situation.
Not one. And Mrs. Monzo will tell me that I violated several collective bargaining agreements by asking people to do that. All right. We are on this situation. We're working it. We're working it every single event. We have their schedule. We have people going out
there. We're doing it. All right, Fred. I I appreciate everything you're saying. Uh what I'm hearing from the residents is there's an ongoing problem. That's what I'm hearing from them. I hear you're addressing it right within
the limitations of the laws it's currently written. That's what you're able to do. And so that raises the question, does our law go far enough? Do we have to do more? Uh or can everyone
there be good neighbors and and work it out? My hope is everybody can work it out. But at the same time, this is a discussion we're going to have to have where we look and see if our laws go far enough. If in fact our laws are being
enforced to the letter and it's still causing a disturbance where the neighbors are inside their homes with the windows closed and are unable to peacefully enjoy their homes, that's a problem and that's not your fault if you're going out and enforcing the laws
it's written and the law doesn't go far enough. So that's something that we have to talk about and it's not going to happen overnight. It takes months for us to change a law. We have to do research. We have to workshop it. We have to talk
through. This is not a simple matter to change a law if we were to do so. So, this is not something uh where we're not always able to provide solutions as quickly as we would like to, but we will work toward a
solution. And I understand, Fred, that you and your staff are also working toward a solution within the constraints that you have, which is the laws as they're currently written. My my third point is this, and my neighbors know this. I shared this all with them. A house recently sold on Old
York Road for $1.1 million. Nobody's home value is being affected by this. Nobody. Homes in Hamilton Township continue to climb right through the roof. And that 1.1 million when the next house comes up to that'll be 1.2 million. It continues to go. We are
working to the best. We're using all our talents. And Hamilton PD, I stand by them, too. They're using all their talents out here. You have a lot of township employees who are focused on this. A lot of time and effort have gone to this with health, engineering, and
PE. All right. Mr. Uh, hold on. Mr. Fernandez Obergon actually if you can into the mic though. Thank you, sir. He said he's doing everything he can
within his power. That's great. Okay. But there was an email list that went out at the 18th meeting and there was no feedback on that. So, he needs to communicate that feedback to us and to the residents of the people down there.
Same thing goes with when I discussed the the roadway issues that the the the woman's going to get back to me. Why did I have to bring it up? I I shouldn't have to bring it up. I sent that on the same the 18th and then if they had an
evaluation everything I should have got some feedback. So I think feedback is important to make sure that what he's saying he's doing we know what he's doing and that way he kind of like tones everybody down and that's what's missing here. Thank you.
Two minutes ago, 638 SH Avenue. Again, just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for uh taking this matter seriously. Obviously, you know, um and also I was going to bring up the point that uh Dennis brought up that there's several other uh neighbors and owners out there
that would be here today if not for fear of retaliation, you know, and things like that. I mean, uh, I some of you already know my background. I've been a I was a cop in Trenton for 30 years. I could take care of myself. I'm not at home all the time. My wife is at home. And that's what what's the chilling
effect that this incident had on on me. I I was home watching football game at night when I heard, you know, all this commotion going outside. I stood on my porch and I see these people and I can see right away that this was going bad right from just from the way they were acting. And I just want to apprec uh
thank you guys for taking the um the time to listen to us and and ask that you assist us in in any which way that you possibly can to uh rectify the situation. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you,
Janice. I love these tall people. Janice Glenn, 432 Trinity Avenue, Cornell Heights. Uh, it sounds like things might be workable, which I sincerely hope they are. And like I said, I owning a business would not want
people upset with me. So, I would do what I can. Decibbles, like I said before, and if the really that poor gentleman who had a leave because of his son, he should have called and said, "Come into my house and listen in my house what I'm hearing." And then you
might not think it's loud as a brewery, but when you come over into somebody's house, you go, "Oh my god, you're right. It is a lot louder than I thought it was could be." So you go into and see, oh yes, that is happening. You know, so I need to tone it down. Just because it doesn't sound bad when you get in there
and if you have a child especially that's being disturbed by this, that is really mind-boggling. All right, it can be worked out. They seem like they're nice gentlemen, you know, just tone it down. doesn't music is playing and I mean I know these kids the louder it is
it's you know blow their brains out that's what they want but that's not the way life has can be you know you have to calm it down you know if you want loud music go home and listen to it blow your windows out but in the neighborhood here these people were there first they want to quiet the brewery can be a very good
neighbor and it would bring them good because these people would then recommend oh we have really nice brewery you can come you know because they keep things toned down and work together so you can do it. You know, like I said, decibb are one thing.
Get getting along with your neighbor is another thing. That's the most important thing. And do unto others as you'd have them do unto you. I would not want to do something to offend somebody. So, if I'm doing something that upsets you, I would definitely stop it so that we all can be
happy. And these poor people, they have earned their wings. They need to make sure that situation is taken care of really quickly because that is life-threatening and so that needs to be eradicated immediately as soon as
possible. Thank you. Who Yes. I just want to I just want to reiterate like um Dave said um as Oh, sorry. Clefenzy Lightner 639 Schiller. I just want to reiterate like Dave said about
property value. You know, that's one of our concerns, too. You know, when you start to have these types of disturbances in the neighborhood, it brings down property value. And I've been there 22 years. And um and when you start considering, should I sell? I mean, that was never my intention. My son who lives in Florida, he's like,
"Mom, do not sell. I want the house." You know, so um so those are one of our concerns as well. Not just quality, I mean, quality of health obviously is priority, but secondarily, property value is important, too. Thank you. Thank you, Miss
Cynthia Snook, 28 East Acres. First, I'd like to address about uh the meeting that we had on September 18th with uh the economic development. There was the director, an assistant, a secretary, an
inspection officer, and also a police officer. We talked about I asked about minutes at the beginning of the meeting and they said that minutes would be taken and distributed to us. An email list of every attendee was there and provided
and to date we have no minutes. Any communications that we have had have been specific questions with vague delayed answers, ambiguous answers and not detailed
answers. So what's the date of that meeting? September 18th. September 18th. December 18th was that what meeting? Yeah. And communication since then, you know, through email. Um,
as far as I have called Bent Iron on several occasions about the music, there have been delays in responses. They have my telephone number. They can easily reach out. And this past event that was
a special occasion event, I called and told them that the music had to go down. I said, "I am a gardener. I'm out in my yard. I can feel the vi vibration coming up through my lawn into my legs. I
cannot hear and I invite you to come to my backyard and listen to this. And he said, well, you know, he called for he called back 45 minutes after I placed my initial
call and happened to be a break in the music at time. Oh, I don't hear anything. I said, "I want the music turned down. It's too loud." "Well, I don't hear anything." He says, "I'm in a in a building in another part of the property." I said,
"You mean to tell me you have no one that you could call in while you're having this event to tell them to turn down the music?" And then later on during the dinner hour when we were trying to eat dinner on our back porch
and heard the same blasting noise, we had to call the police. Is that our resort? So how common is this occurrence? Well, I called Memorial Day about noise
when they had live music and I called on when they had that Glove special occasion event. And I see that on their website that they have another ticketed special occasion event or closed event
or something meet and greet at the shore in November. So, I don't know if it's outside, if it's inside, what's going on. What I'm trying to convey to you is that up until now, up until tonight,
there has never been outreach. There's never been outreach to me. They have my cell phone number. I invited them to my property, you know. So there's a lot of um
not going into this with a real good feeling. Understood. [Music] Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Mr. Britain [Music] here Britain Vent iron just want to put
everybody's mind that these the ticketed event that everyone keeps mentioning it's an upper freehold high school fundraiser it's not a music event cast from the Jersey Shore TV show are coming it's a fundraiser that's nothing we're not doing the concerts again we've already mentioned that so just because
there's a ticket event that we're going to have a debris 21 or over or not does not mean it's going to be a concert, but they're not doing that again. So, just want to get on the record for that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for clarification. Anyone else who hasn't had a second?
Yes, sir. Yeah. I'm Bill Taft live 11 Post Lane in in West Acres. I'm adjacent to the farm. I'm a few but I'm not I'm three or four houses down. So the the problems that Rick has mentioned and Dan's have mentioned, they're right there. Uh we
it's a little less of an issue for us, but uh again that the the event the G love event, you know, the ground vibrated all through the neighborhood. It was uh the base was I think a problem. Uh what I'd recommend is uh I'd ask Pete, I think you and Fred Dumach
can get together and calibrate your your meter so your meter is in line with with uh the township's meter so you have you can when you do a measurement at the property line you can uh know you're at least you're meeting the requirements. Okay. Uh the other thing I' I'd
recommend and uh I had this discussion after the meeting yesterday with Pete and and with uh uh Dave uh from the from the brewery that u we probably should meet face to face. I mean I think there's been a lot of this going on. M you know broken
communication. I've I've had a face to face conversation. you know, there may be an element of trust that's a a concern between the the users and the and the brewery, but I think a face toface meeting, uh, whether it's at the brewery
or some other location, I think would make sense. We can work out, you know, I I think the problem is different for different neighbors. I think the people that are closest to the to the border are the ones that are of most concern. And I think those those are the ones that need if those are addressed the
rest of the neighbors be fine. No, you have to Oh, yeah. Could you speaking in the mic? Absolutely. Yeah. If if if the neighbors that are on the border, right? Uh Dan's Dan and Rick, if if those uh if we can uh
address address those issues for the those neighbors, that'll clear the rest of the of the of the neighborhood. So I think that's that's the that's the the sensitive point uh that I think needs to be be worked and I think we need to do it face to face. I think it you know
again I think we you know I I just found out talking to Pete yesterday uh that they actually have a meter that they go around with. Now maybe not be calibrated but at least there's an attempt to you know uh control the the level. Uh now
the again glove that was you know that the the the other end of the neighborhood shook. Not just the the front end but the back end of the neighborhood shook. We we have relatives that live at the end of Heathwood that that sound you heard. It was a shaky event. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. Uh I think everyone's had a chance at this point. So, I'm going to thank everyone uh for commenting, expressing your concerns, your frustrations. Uh and we're going to move on to council comment.
Would like to start? I'll go. Um I guess tonight we could call it a quality of life meeting. Okay. Because that's what the main discussions were tonight besides the the agenda that we
had before us. Um hopefully we got something accomplished tonight. Not only for the people that live out um near um the brewery, but also for the people of Shore Avenue. Um
I agree with them everything that the the residents said. I listened to what the owners of uh um the brewery said and I'm hoping that within the next couple days that they reach out and and the residents that want to go attend a
meeting there can sit down and have an open discussion, a civilized open discussion that we could come up with some type of resolution that's going to address address your needs as residents for quality of life. Um regarding Mr.
Dumont. Okay, I I I got to speak on Fred's behalf. Um, you might not agree with me, and that's okay. I've known Fred Dumont for for many years, but I've had the pleasure of working with them for the last 5 years uh as a councilman
and his him and his um director of economic development. And I could say firsthand that there's many of times that I picked up the phone, whether it was a neighbor calling me with a problem and pick up that phone and call Fred
Dumont and I got results. I don't think it was cuz I was a councilman. Well, you might shake your head and say, "Well, it is cuz he's a councilman." Okay. But that Yeah, that helps. Okay, it helps. But I know him personally for many, many years and I know the type of
person he is. He's a quality guy. Okay. He really is. And and he has um what I would say, like he says, we are a big community. You know, Hamilton Township's a big community. It's got many issues,
right? Whether it's paving the roads, um whether it's quality of life issues that we're talking about tonight, um picking up what whatever the case may be. I' I've called him on a number of occasions. Sometimes just something that
I might see with my own naked eye, right? I'm riding around the township. I see something. I know I can pick up the phone, but he gets back to me, gets results, okay? And and that's important to me, okay? No matter who's in there is, it could be anybody. Hopefully,
whoever that next person may be after Fred is gone that that that he carries the torch to and acts acts professionally also. So again, um I I would hope um that as these issues get
resolved that that people would have hold a different opinion of Fred because he loves this town and uh he cares about the community and and the residents. It's not about, you know, relationship that he has with the brewery or any
other business. Okay? Believe me, I know personally there's been a lot of businesses in this township that have been cited over the over the five years that I've been here for not doing what they were supposed to do to also. So, let's let's take that in consideration. Um, I think again this was very
productive. I hope uh Ben Iron gets the the message too, you know, about being a good neighbor. So I I look to hear from hopefully the residents um maybe they come to a next meeting or a meeting after that once things get resolved and
could come here and say you know what we had a good productive meeting and since then we've uh we've come up with some some uh I'd say harmony you know amongst between the brewery and the residents of
uh in that area. So with that, I wish everybody safe travels. No, this ain't up for questions. Well, well, go ahead. You want to ask me a question? Sure. Go ahead. Well, you're going to have I mean, come to the microphone. I'll come to the
And we really are uh I'm allowing it, but this is really outside decorum. So, go ahead. Very go ahead. Make it very quick. It's just about the fact that I don't understand tonight. We you you speaking for Fred Dumont and I he may be a stand-up guy but that's why I said we
don't feel represented. He came here tonight and seemingly purported himself as a real estate agent, a sound engineer telling us what type of walls he's getting involved in the solution that we're supposed to be negotiating with people. I don't even understand why we need to be involved. Why is this
involving us? This should be fixed. There is regulations and rules. I've already met with them. We've already done the due diligence to meet with them ahead of time. Why are we still involved? The reason you're involved is because we don't know there's a problem unless the residents tell us there's a problem.
This is a town of 40 square miles with 90,000 residents and it's incumbent on every citizen to do their duty when there's a problem and to report it. That's why you're involved. So, I appreciate your involvement. And it is going to take us some time. And no one
here has been dismissive of your concerns. Two things can be true at once. You can have a legitimate concern that needs to be addressed and Fred Dumont can be doing his job. Those two things are both true.
So if you hear someone defending Fred Dumont, so be it. I'm defending you. And so to stand here and say that no one's looking out for you or representing you is incorrect. I didn't say we don't. Because I think I've been pretty hard on
that business owner tonight. I say we don't feel that we're represented. Well, I'm sorry you don't feel that. I hope other people feel different. We would love to get that feeling. That's We want the good Fred feeling. We want the good every feeling that something is being done for us because right now we wouldn't all be here if we
didn't feel like we were I think you've heard I think you've heard from us tonight. I mean, we're we're not it's not falling on deaf ears. You're telling us you're jumping to a conclusion that that you're not Wait, wait a minute. I got
the mic. We I got the mic now. Okay. You you're you're getting up insulating that we're not going to do nothing and that Well, that's how I'm taking it. Maybe I'm mistaken what you're saying. Okay. But I think everybody up here listened
to everybody's complaints. I know I've addressed it a few time at the last meeting saying that's unacceptable. Okay. If I lived out there, I wouldn't like it either. If I if I was hearing what you're you're saying, okay? If I lived out there and there was loud
noises uh all hours of nights in concert, I'd be at a meeting, too, complaining. Okay? That's where I'd come and complain. But to think that that we're not listening to you and nothing's going to get done, well, maybe you're going to be surprised at. And I hope you are. And I hope you're the first one that comes back and says, "Thank you."
You're listen, I want to I want to thank you for coming up out of thanks to thanks to Chudy's invitation. You came up. You've had your time. There's going to be no more comment from the public. We're at council comment. That's all we're going to do for the remainder of
the meeting. Thank you. Thank you. You're next. So, um I'm just going to reiterate some of the things that we went over tonight. I think it was a quality of life meeting. Um obviously quality of life with safety, quality of life with you know our noise and um our noise
ordinance. Um I think that I'm a very optimistic person. So, I think that um to have our business owners here um and and our ne and our neighborhood in attendance, those individuals um who
have to who have been dealing with this, I'm appreciative this was the second meeting in a row you probably had to go to. Um I think there's a a viable solution here and if there isn't, you know, then then this body or this administration will need to take
appropriate steps. But I think that um I think you heard it from Chy. Listen, I I've I've worked with the director many times uh Fred Dumont on a variety of different issues. I don't want what was said here to get
misconstrued. I think that um he's looking out for all the residents of this town and also uh will quickly acted to have that meeting. We need to get you the minutes of that meeting and who was at in attendance at that meeting. Um, that's that's important. I think that
has to has to get done immediately. Um, but I think that there could I'm I'm I'm thankful that the business owners were willing to give their numbers out. Um, you should have done it on YouTube. No, I'm joking, David. No, but but I I I'm happy that
there's at least that communication that can happen. Um, and we'll see where it goes from here. This is this is the second meeting that's been brought up. Um, so let's see if there's progress, if there's some mediation here. If there isn't, then there's other steps uh that
may may need to take place. But I think that uh for right now, I I'm an optimistic person. I like what I heard. Um I didn't, you know, obviously all the concerns were, you know, a little bit upsetting, but you know, some of the um the give and take, and I appreciate Peter and Dave coming up here and taking
some of the brunt of that tonight. Um, so everyone have a safe trip home and uh and good night. Thank you. Uh, thank you, Councilman. Um, I'm going to be somewhat brief just so that we don't I just want to concur with everything that Councilman Whan said
both about this evening's discussions. Um, your concerns being brought to us. I personally grew up surrounded by farms. So I do I can completely imagine what this has been like as a change of your you know your way of life. Um I used to
come home every day to get a carrot from the fridge to go to the farm behind my house, feed the horse, pet the llama and see the cows. I mean that was that was my adolescence in my childhood. So I do have a lot of empathy. You know don't don't take that we don't we feel for
you. I think Bill said it best and you know that that that yes, there's been a lot of this going on. Communication's always key. So again, I also thank the business owners for being here so we could hear from them tonight as well. And hopefully you've had some resolve and can be able to work this out and and
like Anthony said, if not then we move to the next step. Um I do want to address Schiller Avenue though that is just absolutely unacceptable and needs to be addressed immediately. Um, I have worked with some of those residents as they said about the American Legion in the past
and they're very active and they're very um they care about their neighborhood and we care about your neighborhood. So, thank you for coming out and inviting us in a way into your neighborhoods to know what your life is really like every day so we can help you. Um, so with that again, just continue to, you know, keep
us in the loop and anything we can do to help, we're here for you and have a good night. Yeah, I just will um I do want to thank all the residents for coming out. Uh it is important uh that we hear your concerns. It does give us a better
understanding of of the issues. Um and you know, I I think that we have a course of action for uh the Ben Iron Brewery and the neighborhood adjacent to that. Um, and I'm hopeful that it can be
resolved between the neighbors there. Uh, however, I'm going to be talking tomorrow with our business administrator. I'm going to be talking tomorrow with our township attorney about what actions we may need to take
if it cannot be resolved uh among the neighbors. Uh, so I'm hopeful, but I'm also going to start working on the next step. Uh, because again, this is a sound issue. It's not something that should drag out forever. And it's great if in a
month we hear that there's not as much sound, but I want to know that next July there's also continues to be a satisfactory uh quality of life in the neighborhood. So, uh, this is again something that is going to be ongoing.
I'm I'm hoping to keep in touch with some of the folks from the neighborhood and uh with the owners of the brewery and and we'll keep this discussion going and uh you know come to a resolution that's satisfactory for everyone. Um and otherwise thank you again everyone for
coming out. This meeting is adjourned. [Applause] Get your bag.