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Good evening and welcome to the June 8th, 2026 meeting of the Hampton Select Board and Board of Health. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all. >> We're meeting in the Hampton Town Hall. We are recording the meeting as well as broadcasting over Zoom. Is there anyone else recording the meeting? Kristen's Rivers from the Hampton Warham Times. Welcome Kristen.

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So, first thing on the agenda, we have a couple of sets of minutes. May 18th and May 26th. Lauren, was this you or um who did the minutes of the 18th? >> I did. >> Okay. I say I think you did a really good job on the recap of the school

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discussion extra cookie for that move. Approval second. >> All in favor? >> I those called them. We should be scheduling a recap of exact minutes.

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Right. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because we got all the uh >> we got a bunch of the the and should be able to clear all those highway ones. Yeah. >> We have to vote like once a year whether to release exactly. Okay. Yeah.

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>> Okay. Meeting of May 26th. Uh >> well really >> what you spoke your name wrong. >> No no but they admitted the fact that it was my birthday. I did not do this.

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>> We'll get an ext. Not all of them. Would you like a forest fire? Um, Brian, typically after the reorg, I think I don't know if you mentioned it in the staff meeting, but typically send out a email to town

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departments letting them know what the uh the board organization is. >> They do. >> Okay. Move approval on May 26 minutes. Second. All >> in favor? Okay. >> Hi. >> Okay.

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We have Richard, the keeper of the money, and online we have Elise, the guardian of the money. So, >> hi. >> Hi. >> Here we are in the last month of the year. Elise, thank you for what you're

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sending out on a monthly basis. I think it's very valuable to the different town departments, letting them know where they stand on their expenditures. Um obviously the close to and overspent accounts. I mean obviously some are spent out as

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they should be. Couple of them over by a buck or two and some you look at some like the uh fire department operations over by 1% but the 1% represent $800.

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And >> what are we thinking for something like that? Are we going to start preparing some line to lines from inside there? >> Yeah, we'll do some budget transfers which I've already started putting that together, but I don't feel comfortable presenting that to you yet until we see

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June. >> Right. So, >> yeah. >> And I think you had mentioned before that July 17th was your drop dead. >> It is. Yes. >> All right. So I again a lot of these I think easily can be taken care of inside

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departments without even going to reserve. Yeah, >> that's what it looks like right now. >> Yes, >> couple of them jump out. Um and not my major money but the vests. Any idea why they got overspent? It's um

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we're waiting for reimbursement and >> grant a grant and there was a snafu in getting Dan's name on and Scott's name off that just happened last week. The federal bureaucracy is strong, but I

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anticipate we'll get the money. It's just a matter of time. >> Is this process? >> I believe so. >> Okay. That's not big money, but it's just kind of surprise or something like that. procedures annoying as heck. >> Y

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>> okay information technology. >> Um I need to go back and look at that account. So there's the office equipment acquisitions account $20,000 out of so I think some of those when they >> I was surprised to see training police

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training that far overdrawn. It always is that they um this training is mostly a salary item >> and she's probably going to be turning back $100,000 on the salary line. >> I know that. Yeah. >> Um you'll notice that this year uh the

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new chief asked for a $10,000 or so increase in the training salary line >> and it um uh they've the advisory did a a reduction on the salary line. Honestly, I'm not even sure why there's

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two separate lines or it's not like that line item is used to pay for program. >> It's used to pay reimbur to pay the officers for the overtime for the training. It's a salary line. >> Yeah. Does it count into W2?

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>> Oh, yeah. No, no, not if it's if it there there's a reimbursement component and there's a sal an overtime component. I'm not I don't remember how it breaks down you know that's Julier in >> okay

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yeah certainly that IT thing I know last year we went through a problem where it was stuff was coded into the whether it was acquisitions or it does seem to be a quite a I mean $20,000 overage

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>> yeah you know that counts 20,000 close to that and I'll check too >> I'm just saying it's overdrawn by money. Well, that seems a little like D was just saying, >> right? And the So, so there's a $20,000 account that's not spent down right now. The office equipment acquisitions.

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>> So, it's just coded wrong. >> I think so. >> Okay. >> I'll look into that. >> Right. >> And some of that may be some of that may have been had be attributed to the move. We'll have to see. >> All right. So your plan then would be to set up a meeting

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at least and deck uh you know early July to finalize requests for trans transfers line to line etc. >> I don't really have a >> Yes. Okay. >> It's a lease's game. >> Okay. >> Alise the the uh information you sent me about the transfer station that July

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amount is that that's the 15,000 that the the town allocates of tax le >> the July amount. I'm sorry. Yeah, July 2025 revenue was 22,000.

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So I'm thinking that's 15,000 from the, you know, the tax levy and the rest is >> Yeah, let me double check that. Give me a second. >> Not necessarily. Deli is a very big >> I I was trying to figure out where

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>> because we're showing a a Thank >> that does not include raised from taxes. That's simp that's purely revenues from bags and permits. >> Okay. So the $12,000 deficit as of the end of May.

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>> Yep. But really, if the 15,000 tax levy goes there, then it's really only 3,000 that are good. >> Yep, that's correct. >> Okay. All right. We're pretty close to that. And and the salaries, I think, are 20

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2800 a month. So, >> yep, >> we should be pretty good there. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> So, nice. We're still waiting to hear back. I thought that there was some more money from the state from the state. Yeah,

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>> that's quite >> uh obviously the one I see one utility line, you know, the senior center utilities. No, no surprise there that you know natural gas went up, electricity went up when they're over spent by looks like

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2600. But at least do you think do you see other potentials inside senior center to take care of that or no? >> Yes. Um, like I said, I have started a list and the majority of the budget

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transfers I'm putting together now are interdep departmental. >> Okay, good. >> Yeah, obviously nothing to do, like you say, the two 212,000 overspent on snow and ice. Largest number we've seen in several years, but it was a heck of a a

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winter. It is what it is. But it looks like did pass extra money, >> right? They just don't know how to actually way out here by the time it comes out here. >> The ice melts.

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>> Yeah. Great. Okay. Well, thank you for uh zooming in. >> Sure. We look forward to, you know, obviously staying in the loop and ahead of the new for July. >> So cash flow is good. We've got about

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three million in general fund right now, although we're going to pay a million to the school this week. So um are uh we have gotten bids for the state house notes. They're borrowing for the water problem. So uh it was very important to borrow

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more than we spent otherwise it hits cash uh it hits the uh free cash number. So we ended up buying uh borrowing 1.4 1.45 million.

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>> Um and the bad news is we only had one bidder for the state house note. One bank was in only one bank was interested. The good news is the rate's three and a quarter%. So I can't complain about that. Now municipal bonds tend to go for about 2/3

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of the rate of mortgage rate. So you know that's not that's predictable because it's interest free to the the borrower. So Uni Bank has borrowed it. So, um has um u has bid it and um I have documents that I need you to sign

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tonight so that we will get the money next Wednesday so that we uh can push off the last part of the water project until we get appropriate for it. >> Okay. >> Any questions on that process? >> Nope.

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>> All right. >> Right. So, we have a >> decide on these six pages, >> right? Um, so we need a vote to approve signing the borrowing. >> Uh, I move approval of I move we approve

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the borrowing of 1 million. What you got here? >> $450,000 for the purpose of the water district. >> And he'll write you a check later. Thank you, Don. >> Second. What? Who's like one?

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>> All in favor? >> I selfie. She's use the other account. >> She got her own checking account. She could have fig page one, two, four, and six. Well,

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usually there's like little things. I didn't have any and I didn't want to screw up the office equipment. >> 911. four and six here. Write down those numbers first. >> There's five here. >> You can continue. I can You sure? I

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don't want to distract. You're signing page three, five, one, two. Okay. >> 46. >> All right. Anything else we should know about? I also I really want you to know >> I on camera really

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>> obviously if you have any questions but you know everything is pretty well hunky dory. Okay. >> I'm confused. >> Page four. >> One. >> Yeah. >> Two. >> Yeah. >> Four.

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>> All right. >> Four and six. >> Four and six. >> There's two. >> Oh, here two page. >> They were very dim. >> It was a different spot. >> Scrappy ink again. Keeping the budget down.

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>> You're just shaking the toner cartridge all the time. Oh, yeah. Okay, here we go. I can barely see that line. >> Thank you. before 7. >> All right. Well, you're all set. Yeah. >> Great. >> Good luck.

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>> All right. Uh, while that's happening, we're going to go on to Ty and Bond. >> The FY26 storm water management program presentation. Oh, Jen, come on up. Thank you. Um, so thank you guys for

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having us. We're here to report on your annual warm water management program update. Um, so I will turn this over to the delightful to the presentation and if you have any questions, please.

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>> Yeah. Um, hi, my name is Haley Rivers. I am a planner at Tai and Barnes and I have been working with the town of Hamen to help with their storm water management program for about four years now. Um so I'm just going to give a presentation on fiscal year 26 which is

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also known um under the permit as permit year 8 and um we'll provide some basic background and then we'll talk about this year and then we'll talk about future requirements of coming uh for permit year 9 and 10.

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You're just trying to get it to >> and then from there you go. >> So if you would like to go to the next slide. All right. So, um, as I said just a moment ago, um, we're just here to provide an update on what happened

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during fiscal year 26. We're going to provide some introduction and background on storm water and the MS4 general permit. We're going to talk about what accomplished in permit 8 by the town of Hammond. We're going to talk about anything planned for permit year 9, which starts on July 1st, and any future

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permit year requirements that are relevant to Hammond. Uh, this is also an opportunity to solicit feedback. So if any of you have any comments, questions, we would love to hear from you. >> So uh what is storm water? So um storm

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water is defined as rain water that falls on paved or impervious surfaces such as roofs um potentially also lawns that doesn't soak into the ground and then it becomes runoff that goes into the storm water system. So storm water

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system goes into the storm drain which goes into the greater system and eventually flows and discharges to outfalls and that storm water goes directly into waterways or the natural environment. Storm water runoff is known

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to pick up trash or chemicals that can create storm water pollution. And unfortunately storm water is currently the largest source of water pollution that we have in the USA. Um we can move on to the next slide.

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So the EPA's small MS4 storm water program. So MS4 stands for municipal separate storm sewer system. It is a program that is jointly administered by the EPA and mass D. It is part of the clean water act and it is meant to

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protect all waters of the US. Hampton and the swore area is just this uh red cross-hatched area of town. This is considered the urbanized area. It is characterized by high concentrations of impervious surface and is also

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characterized based on uh the 2010 US census. So this is where uh the majority of the density of housing and population is in Hampton. Next slide. Hi. Sorry, I got people trying to come in Zoom at the same time.

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>> Yeah. Yeah, of course. >> The screen share stop. >> Yeah, I think there's an issue with >> Y. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

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it can take a technology. >> Yes. >> Give you a copy and put on the website too. I have some experience with this kind of stuff. >> He usually does screen, but he's on Zoom and he's not seeing it on Zoom what

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we're seeing on the TV right now. >> So, you're presenting. >> That's what That's what happened to me the other night. He's not seeing it. >> It might be doing

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>> so try doing stop share. >> Yes. Yeah, which is fine, but that's not >> so it doesn't you go to full screen to share. when you go to do it doesn't

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go back. >> Okay. >> Can we go back? >> It's not hearing anything. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> I did a bunch of little presentations college and learn some settings. You

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don't have to go back to the beginning. >> I appreciate that. >> All right. So, >> yep, you're good. >> So, sorry for the interruption, but picking up where we left off. So, um again, the small MS4 storm water program

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uh jointly administered under EJ Massi. Um the town of Hampton as um a entity uh authorized to discharge um filed a notice of intent under the 2016 small NS4 general permit and that was

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submitted on September 18th, 2018. Your author your authorization to discharge storm water was then received on April 5th, 2019 with an expiration date of June 30th, 2022. It was then administratively continued

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on May 16th, 2022 until a new permit is issued and your storm water management plan was finalized on July 1st, 2019 and it is updated annually. It is also on your website at this little link below um the storm water committee web page.

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Um and that is all the information that we have currently. So, uh, for your specific storm water management plan, and this is true of the entire program for all towns in Massachusetts, you have six minimum

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control measures. The first is public education and outreach. The second is public involvement and participation. The third is elicit discharge detection and elimination, which is IDB. Your fourth is your construction site storm water runoff control. Your fifth

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is your storm water management and new development and redevelopment. And your sixth is good housekeeping and pollution prevention. And we are going to go more into detail of all of the activities that you complete under these MCMS.

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So a little bit of background before we dive into that. Um four relevant water bodies in Hannah. um you are under a couple of TMDLs which are known as total maximum daily loads. These are

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determined by the state's 303D list for impaired waters. Um for Hampton the relevant ones are the Connecticut River which is impaired for nitrogen and it is part of the Long Island Sound. So it is technically an out ofstate TMDL but it

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does regulate um some of what we look for in your storm water. Um, additionally, uh, there is also the Scantuk River, which, uh, in the 2022 303B list was recognized as impaired for E.oli. Um, and so that is something that

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we keep an eye on when we do your storm water sampling. Um, in addition, you have a couple of extra requirements. Um, you need to street sweep twice per year, once in the spring and once in the fall. Removing some of that leaf litter helps

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remove nitrogen from the system. And then uh some of these other requirements uh your good housekeeping standard operation operation procedures and your storm water management B&Ps and some of your timed messaging to residents are all because of the

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nitrogen and ecoli impairments in town. So uh permit year 8 in review uh for NCM1 you have some annual timed messages to residents, businesses, institutions and commercial facilities. These messages

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cover topics such as proper leaf litter removal, proper disposal of pet waste. Uh there are a couple of others, but those are all posted to your website at the correct time. Um, and for your public involvement and participation for

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MCM2, uh, you keep your storm water management plan available online, and you also host this presentation once per year to give residents some education and to allow people to provide any comments on the program.

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So um for your IDE program, you actually completed all stages of fieldwork in permit year five. So that included screening outfalls during dry weather conditions. It also included catchment investigations which are made up of two

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parts which are dry weather heat junction screenings which actually don't apply to Hampton. You don't have a particularly extensive storm water system. So you actually didn't have any structures that pow under this requirement. So then we moved directly

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into wet weather outfall sampling and that was completed in permit year five. So um at the end of all of that none of your outfalls met EPA's criteria for a potential elicit connection or discharge. An elicit connection or discharge would be um an instance where

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the sewer is accidentally connected into the storm water. >> Yes. What calendar year is perm year five? >> Uh that was I believe it was June sorry July 1st 2021 to June 30th 2022.

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>> Okay. So it's 21 2122. >> Yeah. >> Is that the last time we did sampling testing? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And we don't have to do it again. >> Um so under the current permit you would have to repeat it starting at the

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fiveyear mark from completion. So, under current requirements, you would potentially need to start it up again in June of 2027. Um, but we are unclear about the guidance on that because of the 2024

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draft of the permit. And so, we're we're waiting to see what your next step should be. >> The the issue so the last time you did it was in 2023, I think 2022. >> Mhm. And then in 2023, you the Taliban

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issued a memo saying that there was seven places that they found high quality nitrogen >> count and we didn't find that out until 2025. So I guess I'm wondering what's the point.

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>> Um well uh the memo that we released in 2023 was made available to the DPW and to the town administrator and it was published on the website. Um it was also included in your annual report. So um it it was made publicly available a little

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bit earlier than that. Um and currently uh if we're seeing some high levels of EC coli or nitrogen that isn't actually enough to register as a potential elicit discharge. Um it needs to be a couple of different parameters because we're

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really looking for a sewer connection which is something that the town can can act on definitively. Um, we don't currently have any guidance from the permit on any like non-source point pollution which could be contributing to higher nitrogen or

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ecoli. Um, and so we've kind of reached the end of the permits jurisdiction or are there any other questions? All right. So with that um for your MCMs four and five which relates to construction site and post construction

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for storm water management um your storm water bylaw was revised in May of 2021 and that was to meet some additional and more stringent requirements under the 2016 MS4 general permit. In accordance with that bylaw annually, Hampton tracks

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the number of site plan reviews, the number of site inspections performed, and the number in of enforcement actions issued if a SWIP is required for any kind of construction or development project. So, continuing on that, um, we completed

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a nitrogen source identification report for you in 2022. This was meant to be a desktop review of your land use in town and it was meant to determine any areas that may have high n high nutrient loading. And the idea was to recognize

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those catchments and those potential outfalls for retrofit opportunities for what are called storm water BMPPS or storm water control measures. So, um, one of the ways that we are trying to target any potential storm

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water runoff pollution would be to install one of those BMPPS and have the storm water treated just before it discharges out into the environment. Um, we have worked with the town and identified a potential project here at

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the new location of town hall and we uh submitted an MVP action grant this year uh to get potential funding for that project. So then uh for the last MCM which is the good housekeeping

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um basically you're just going to keep doing what you're doing at the moment. The DPW and the highway department um has ongoing catch basin inspection and cleaning. They do the street sweeping twice per year. Um we help out

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and do quarterly swift inspections at both the highway garage and the transfer station. And they also do the implementation of all of the operations and maintenance program activities for municipal facilities.

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So, all of that has happened this year. What are we going to do next year? Um, this at this late stage of the permit, basically, you're going to keep doing exactly what you're already doing. So, you're going to continue with your annual messages. Um, we would highly

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recommend potentially developing some additional messages for developers and industrial facilities. There's a lot of messaging on your website aimed at a residential audience, but having a little bit extra would um serve your

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needs under the permit and uh just cover you under the permit a little bit better. Um we also recommend that you consider membership in the PVPC Connecticut River Stormwater Committee. They do a really great job of targeted

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messaging to um basically all audience throughout the state. Um, and they specifically serve all of the requirements under that nitrogen TMVL. Um, and then moving on, uh, for NCM2, your public involvement and

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participation also basically just keep on doing what you're doing. Your storm water management plan is always available online and you do this presentation annually. And if there are any other opportunities to involve the public in the stormwater program, definitely, I

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guess, keep an open mind, think about new ways. Um, I know some towns in the area do like an annual Earth Day cleanup. That's an option for Hampton. Um, and I think it's something you did in the past, but hasn't happened over the last two years or so. Um, so

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something to think about and revisit potentially in the future. So um again through your IDE program currently your fieldwork is considered complete. However um as the highway department continues its regular operations if they see any signs of a

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potential elicit discharge during catch basin inspections or street sweeping any kind of maintenance of the system. Um they are trained and can follow up and investigate that further. So then uh for your NCM four and five uh

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for NCM4, you're just going to continue performing and tracking all of your site plan reviews, inspections, enforcement actions, anything required under SIPS. And for MCM5, they're going to continue to enforce your revised bylaw and also

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going to continue to look for new ways to install BMPPS or SCMs in places where there are high nutrient level. And then finally for NCM6, basically keep on doing what you're doing. Continue to implement your good

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housekeeping procedures. Continue tracking all of your annual requirements. um under your recordkeeping also essentially keep advancing design and permitting seeking funds for future

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BM retrofits and then keep doing your quarterly SWIP inspections at the highway department and the transfer station. So a quick summary of Hampton and SWIP, you are actively meeting all of the requirements under the MS4 program. Your

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permit year 8 annual report will be due to EPA and mass D on September 28th of 2026. And again, the MS4 general permit was administratively continued until any new guidance or a new permit is issued. So

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as soon as we have any information on that, we will bring that back to you. Let you know how that is relevant. And in this timeline, we're about here. So you've already done the bulk of the work. You're kind of just maintaining and continuing until any further

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guidance is issued. So future requirements, um, all of your annual reporting and tracking, which is pretty standard under the permit. There is an extra requirement in permit year 10 to complete your phase 2 map and all

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catchment investigations. Again, you already did this in permit year five. And then as soon as we know of any new requirements, we will let you know. And that is everything that I have. So

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>> yeah, thank you for having me. Thank you for uh being a willing audience. If anybody has any questions, please let me know. >> Okay. Well, thank you for that. >> All right. Um, we're going to take this opportunity to go off script a little bit because we have Jen here

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>> and we have John here >> and I thought since we have the two people, how's the project going? >> Well, we're about half over the anyone who's not sure know what we're talking about. >> Okay, we talked about the water district water district expansion project and we

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were in the middle of we've done all the road work and now we're in the phase to connect homes. Right. >> Correct. The pump station's up and running um pump station and about half the homes are connected. >> Okay. >> Um so all we got is the interior plumbing work. Anything that's exterior is done. There's some cleanup and lawn

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restoration. We just did a drive today. >> When you say half connected mean fully connected or >> fully Yes. Fully connected inside the homes. There's half the houses left to go into their homes and do the final hookups and put meters. >> This is something all happening in June easily.

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>> Yes. Oh yeah. Okay. the contractor schedules to be totally closed out by July. So I don't I just I don't think that'll be a problem to get get through it. I my some remaining punch list items but majority of the work should be done with >> great. It's more getting people access

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to mouse. >> So it's coordinating basically. Yeah. >> Great. >> Picking up the phone or calling the plumber pretty much. Yeah. >> Great. No issues. No, I mean handful of like

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things that just come up through construction, but you know, working with um your lease national your water operator and >> right >> well to think of something else then to keep you engaged with the town then the next project. Well, hopefully we get the

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BMP. >> Yeah. Yeah. Get the MVP. We get the design and permitting and help you with that and then try to find what needs. But if you get it, if you get that grant, more than likely oftent times you get the construction funding next year. So we hope to help again. >> Great.

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>> If we get it the first time. >> Great. Okay. Thank you. >> You're very welcome. >> Thank you so much. Thanks. >> So Hike Hampton is next on the agenda. Is that going to be Joe working here?

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>> I don't think so. Just saying. >> Oh, he's online. >> Oh, okay. >> I'm online. >> So, you are there. You are. >> So, tell us about Hike Hand, Joe. Where where are we standing?

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>> Yeah. So, we're we're in a good place. We uh the committee officially um decided to go with um the consultant design refinery. Um they're based around Boston. Um and I've been meeting with the director Stephanie Harrington um for

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a bit. Um she's been a good partner so far and um we're looking to move forward. So, yeah, we're here to uh get permission to uh have the contract signed. That way, we can uh set up our

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uh kickstart meeting and we will we'll get this going with the committee. >> Okay. So, the contract is for a total of 75,000 and that money comes from >> grantation mitigation.

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So all the people that lost bidding on red. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Get the get the hike in. >> Whatever it takes now before it's gone. >> Question on the back. >> Oh >> I'm sorry.

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>> What is the program? >> Didn't you come last week? >> No. >> Dad, I can't you know like you're not watching online like the other hundred people. tell us where all the ticks are. >> The the the the program, if you don't mind, Joe, I'll go through

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it quickly. The the idea was to create a hike Hampton thing, a website which people could see the different trails in Hampton, the different opportunities and that. And this year the casino mitigation funds in the past

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they they could use it for public safety but this year they suggested that we use it for some kind of economic development or to or for tourism for people who are at the casino and they would want to come out to Hampton to hike. So they're creating a website and that type of

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thing. And they gave us $75,000. So the these consultants are going to create the website, create marketing material, and hopefully in the future we'll be able to have farmers market and things like that along with a hype jammed type thing.

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>> We'll make sure we give the chief a copy of the map so when they're lost, you know where to find them, right? >> Something fire. We just need those maps. >> Okay. Thank you. >> That good. All right. Thank you. Think I think one of the paths go right by your

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house that I thought. >> Great. So I will entertain a motion to uh assign the contract. >> So moved. >> All in favor? >> I I Great.

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>> So Joe was still honing it though, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Joe. All right. How many hours we got to say? >> Yeah, >> I'm not responsible for the money

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though. >> Flowers. Okay, next on the agenda we have so postponed a week or >> correct prior commitment with the army

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to be >> okay pulling rank I guess. So, we have the building committee here for an update. >> Y we have the building committee. We have the architects county. Um and weeks ago, we came in front of

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the board for a decision um for property I guess acquiring property at town hall towards town hall for our project. Um at that time the board requested a sketch which

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will provide it to you board the property line proposed property line and also a sketch from architecture a red line so to speak with 12 six

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inches past that see like extra land that we would be looking for >> like partial parking space at the top of the parking lot. Mhm. Bill the team has also provided floor

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plans which we didn't have the last meeting I think are very valuable at this point. >> So original design then he has how the current building is utilized at this point. Right. Yeah.

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>> Building the original design >> showing something. >> Yeah, if you can. >> What do you want to share? >> I would share the uh all three up. I would go with the town meeting presentation then move to the

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new alternate at this point. The proposed alternate. I can >> this is town meeting presentation. >> Yes, please. So chief in this this here to give people understanding the current

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larger bays would be where res one and C1 are. >> Those are existing bays. >> Those are the existing bays at this point. Right. >> This was expanding it to the north. Yeah. >> Okay.

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All right. And if you can go to the alt new bay new bay. I don't have this. Yes, sir. There he is. So, based on our conversations of the

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past few weeks, uh, looking at a alternate that would pretty much put the base to the south of the building and now you're showing us basic the cookie cutter how you would put the vehicles inside those five bays.

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This is a design that is all basically front access, the north road access, not drive-thru. >> Correct. >> Um, and what you explained last time was that this allows for the parking behind the

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proposed new building, >> which would be >> if you had a a drive-thru, you'd have a tremendous impact on finding parking for all your people coming in. >> It's Yes. And plus the, you know, large trucks don't have a great turning radius to get into the back.

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So those that's a tight turning radius if we're was to be drive-thru >> really going around the old building because it looked like to be about the same as what they do in East Law Meadow. Not much of a difference with that turn >> where they go around the right and come back in that way.

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>> Meadow's got the whole parking lot before the apparatus. The slice wouldn't it would it only be >> No, but I mean their office same thing here. or their offices to the right of the bays kind of like what we're talking here. >> So, you mean the steering radius if the apparatus was to come into the back pull

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into a drive through bay? >> Oh, you're saying in the back part of >> back there's not enough there's just not enough depth backes. Correct. Okay. Res of the apparatus. >> Yeah. The part behind isn't a problem, but it's like swinging in. >> Correct. >> And then the other problem being as we

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mentioned, if you start putting apparatus back door, that's all that part. not to mention how it costs cost. >> Well, yeah, but we're also talking about taking out I'm wondering why we can't remove a bay if we do the drive-thru.

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>> So, this so this drawing this here is the connecting thing and the five new bays, >> correct? >> What about the rest of what are you doing with the rest of the station? that would be renovated for the offices, the training room, the so on and so forth.

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>> Well, I guess the original plan had all that in there without the without all those bays. So, how big an office you're going to have? I mean, we got to be realistic here. You got you you got an office for the chief. I think the other one you got

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an office for the chief, you got an inspection new up here, too. You know, this was rebuilt and all that's new. >> I know. So, So why why do you need why why do you need five bays? Why can't you do three bays? And and see these are the

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same. >> There's still five bays on this. >> Yeah, I know. But those are the same now. >> Those are what's there now. >> Mhm. >> I mean, you got >> it's a it's the same. >> You got three you got three people in

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there 40 hours a week. The other 124 hours a week is vacant. So, I can see you need you need an office for the chief. >> You need to do the bathrooms. >> You do you need a kitchenet. >> I don't think you need a fullsize

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kitchen. You need a kitchenette. And those are all in there with the they only added two bays here and they made that bigger. >> The major differences would be the gear room. Um more space in the gear room. Um that's the addition. That's that part

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there. uh in basically the training room and we out of the conference. Those are the main main differences. >> So in the training room what what occurs in the training room? >> Uh training training the firefighters. >> But we have we have off we have space

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here and this police department has a meeting and training room. >> Okay. I'm not sure it lends itself as conveniently, but I I get your point. >> I mean just trying to save money, that's all. Well,

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>> have about 30 people that would be using your training room. >> Yeah. And how many people how many can your reading room hold? >> About 20. >> How how many you think can hear hold? >> Turn here. I don't know the uh the code

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on this auditorium. I don't know how many >> 200 is probably over 200. So the original design right now is coming back more exp more money than we have than the the design we're proposing.

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>> The design we're proposing is actually less expensive. It's walking the line as to the amount of money that's appropriated. Granted, >> but I'm Well, I'm I hope it is because, you know, the town needs to save money. I I'm I'm asking

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if you were able to you got you got you you added two bays. You added two bays on the other one from the north side. >> Mhm. >> So why can't those two bays just flip to the south side and you still have the same amount of room? >> It's actually three bays.

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>> Well, three bays. Even three bays would be less than five bays. I mean I So you put three bays where? >> No, >> I'm saying if you added you took this here and you added >> basically three bays. You got the two

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larger bays to give you separation for a large per apparatus. Why you to do that? I'm just asking the question. >> Well, I mean it all comes out to safety. We we have all the apparatas exiting all the same way now. Yeah. >> So, you know, no cross traffic of firefighters responding. You need like

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you need like four feet on each side of the four to five feet probably in each side of the apparatus. >> The plan is to move all of the fireatic equipment that's in the current station into this station. Place for the jury uniforms to be

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cleaned and >> Okay. But by this station, you mean those fire bays? >> Yes. >> Okay. So now you got this whole other fire department. You got your fireman equipment in the five bays. You got your apparatus at the five bays.

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You need a couple of bathrooms. You need a kitchenet, >> an office for the chief, an office >> in the current station if we didn't do them reminiscent of a 1952 gas station. >> Yeah, they are.

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>> And we need to put in showers. And >> I understand that. I understand. We just did $50,000 for bathrooms in the senior center, not 8.3 billion. I guess that's my point. So, I'm I'm trying to figure out what's If you put if you move

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everything over there, what do you do with the other building? I think the other building's a little bit big for two bathrooms, a shower, a decon room, and a meeting room. If I was looking, if I was listening to what Don is saying here, which I do,

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he's saying that in the current station, you have two larger bays. They are shown. Flip back to that one. >> You have two larger bays >> that show res one and C1. >> You're adding three larger bays to the

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north. If you kept the two bays that are there now and just put those three bays on the south, you wouldn't be adding five bays. >> And you still have five bays. >> And you still have five bays total, but you're only adding three because you're

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repurposing the other bays that used to be larger equipment to the small equipment. And then would you be able to add all the extra stuff you're talking about basically with what you have in the back already? You're repurposing the the older

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>> that that's the one concern that a you don't have them all. >> Right. Right. >> I thought you had I know >> we do. We have these small ones here. Right. Yeah. >> Okay. This is >> I don't have this part. No, we don't. >> Well, that's that's the proposed. So,

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you can see we're not adding any any more offices. Most of it is in the training room, the conference room, and extra bathrooms in here. Still a small day day room, >> right? Um kitchenet area or kitchen area,

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>> right? Mechanical storage. That was part of the problem with that. >> Is rebuilding all this that expensive? Looks like a lot of wall moving. >> There's no uh so all the interior walls as they exist now, like the cinder block wall, they're going to stay as they are. That's the expensive, right? Yeah. So

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it's it's not that's actually what's saving us a lot of money is to to not move any of the structural walls that are there and just work around them. >> So for example, these would all be addition, right? Because there is no offices currently there, right? So that those would be all framed and >> there's a training room now, right?

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Correct. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um and then this would become storage because there there literally is is there's no storage. So, for example, um if the training room is using depending upon how the training room is being used, you could put all

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the tables and chairs in there and you have a much wider open space if that's how you're going to use the room. And you put the deacon area in the >> in right all the so when we say all the firematics everything having to do with firefighting so the the the apparatus

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the gear all the stuff that keep the for lack of better terms all the cancer-causing agents in one area and then all this this is consider this I don't want to say a dirty area because that that's a misnomer

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so you transition you transition through it >> right so if you start mixing apparatus bay into the old building, you lose that, >> right? You lose that transition. Um and and uh so this is clearly from a safety

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standpoint um the better option. We also believe for the from the long um um longevity, right, serving the community for many years, not just some years, right? For many years, that this is the better uh option. And as it turns

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out, it's less expensive. >> Well, let me ask you this because we talked about this in the last meeting. The square footage of the structure is it and I'll go back to I don't know where it went to Eric, but is it the purpose in typical buildings you don't

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stack more than two deep? >> Correct. >> Is that it? >> That's correct. Because I mean obviously I would say that obviously you've left I don't know 30 40 ft to the front here to make it parallel what it used to be and you could remove a bait and put a couple

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pieces here but you'd have a piece of equipment trapped between two pieces. Yeah. >> And you don't do that. >> So if you need the piece in the back >> now you got two pieces of apparatus to get the piece in the back. Right. This way it can pretty much be um aligned so

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that if for example um if engine one responded with a with tanker one which is a typical first response for this fire department right so they roll the engine and a water supply the tanker >> uh is a first response

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>> and it's all it's all set. Um, >> but first blush on this, I would have said, "Okay, well, why don't we pull that wall here? Get rid of a bay and stack them." >> Yeah. We're also trying to eliminate a bit of a hazardous area that exists now because of lack of of driveway. So, when they when they pull the apparatus back

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in >> and swing it around, there's just not much space. This would give them a little bit more space when they pull the apparatus in to back it in. In other words, they wouldn't have to do it on the roadway, which is where the hazard comes in. It's the cleanest option. I >> understand

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>> the architect must >> we're also from a financial option. >> Yeah. Well, but yeah, it's also >> it is >> the least expensive because we're not reworking the old building as much. We'd have to restructure it. There's a lot of issues. So, we're basically taking the old building and utilizing it for its

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best use, which is really office that off back office space and for what we need for modern fire equipment. We're building a nice new building and you know we do these with space frames now. They're relatively inexpensive comparatively speaking. I know everything's

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>> Yeah. >> But no, I'm not being funny. I >> relative is relative. >> Yeah. No, no, I totally. >> Are these metal buildings? Those >> This one is. Yeah. So from here, everything you see in green is a metal building. >> Yeah. >> Tad, you want a question?

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>> I didn't see where the southern border of the new building was. Is it is it into the parking lot of the town hall? That's 12 feet over the line. >> 12 feet in >> into the parking lot. >> Over the line. So that does bring it a few feet into the into the parking spaces that are there. >> Yeah, the line is in the grass right now.

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>> So the building will be in the parking lot. >> It will be in the parking spaces that pull those ones that pull up facing the fireface. This is just >> All right. So it would take away the parking spaces from the southern property.

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>> Certainly from them. Yes. Yes. >> I think we we knew that when we came to you and said, "Is this something of interest to the board?" I think we we knew that. >> I think we were also hoping we were talking a three or four bay extension to the south, not the full five bay because

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we weren't seeing five bays being added to the original. >> Yeah. So that's kind of concern. Obviously what you said before, I think >> you were saying before, you don't want to separate the apparatus. Okay, you guys run to the north, you guys run to the south, and we'll meet you out in the

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street, you know. >> Makes no sense. >> Right. Right. >> So I'm on the >> Well, and again, you don't want to put the firematic into this this >> I'm on the old townhouse committee. >> One of our options is to sell the townhouse. >> This devalues that asset. This devalues

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that parking the the old town hall if we put if we take away it already doesn't have enough parking to sell it to somebody. I mean that's already an issue. So when you extend in 12 ft you're taking eight parking spots, all the ones at the

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top of the hill >> used to park. >> All those parking lots are gone. And that's that you're taking you're taking a town asset and devaluing it by if you approve this to go into the parking lot. Is it when you say you're extending over

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into the parking spaces, >> are you extending over property line or the building? Yes. >> Well, the building is slightly old. >> Yes. So, the building is >> So, this is the existing property line now. The dividing line because it's common property, but if you had a

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property line, that's where it would be. And then we're just dimension. I know you can't see it, but it says 12 foot 6. So, the building is in search 12. But you're also saying 12 ft parking right now. >> You're also talking about 12 ft is >> access beyond correct. But you're also asking for

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another you also have emergency vehicles >> possibly moving in and out in in an area that could become >> no emergency vehicles would be going in and out. Firefighters >> firefighters through here. This this area right here, it could be,

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>> you know, some old lady that's living in the town hall could be going out to get her trash or something. I'm just saying that that doesn't seem like a real safe way to do that. This eliminates parking that devalues this property. >> That's that's all I'll say.

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>> Right. Or I think your your committee also said, do you relocate that parking to the north road side? Do you bring parking >> in this five minutes? It devalues the property. >> Yeah, I understand. I >> mean, if you're if you're going to make changes, sure.

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In your opinion, in your opinion, you're saying this type of plan here is inside the appropriated budget if >> yes the order today. So you'd hold the >> Yeah, the actual plan is the phasing

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plan. So, uh, and we basically have plan A, B, and C. In other words, as we get the funding just to make sure worse comes to worse, you might not be able in this budget do all of the interior fit out potentially. You get the base building and then we have we would do

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what they call alternates to add in all of the renovations as forward. Mhm. >> So you get the you get the essential stuff in the budget for sure, which is the green and how much of the blue depending on how the budget the funding ultimately comes in. >> It's going to rely on a a good bidding

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atmosphere >> and it's our fingers crossed for >> um but also no more delays because the delays are costing us money, >> right? We just bid a station in Bourne yesterday. Well, Wednesday um of last week and uh it was a more complicated

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station was budgeted at almost 850 a square foot. It came in at 7. >> So this we're trying to simplify this building. Keep it it's you know traditional steel frame exterior. We'll buy most of that from the steel company.

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Um keep it as simple as possible. It is with hoping the numbers are down and I agree the market is good. I'm not this is not sales pitch at all but the market's good now. You know the sooner we can get out on the street the better off we are. >> This is a simple steel building. It's

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not a center block front. Nothing like that. This is a rehab of the current building. >> Right. >> As he was saying earlier the we're keeping all the major structural walls. We don't want to change any of that. So it's really >> and it's a phase thing too. >> Yes. So that gives you, you know, making

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sure you'll have enough >> pro enough money to finish at least the essential. You can always go back and renovate if you had to. You know, you could, it could be paint, clean it up and use it versus doing it all over. Nice. So it works. It works well. It's a clean

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>> Oh, I mean I understand. I mean, you could say the same thing. You know, you could do the training room. You could do it without replacing your overhead doors. Exactly. You know, just put the tables up. >> Exactly. >> And do them when you can. >> Exactly. Right. We always try to look to what makes the most sense, what phasing makes sense that you can do it later and

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it's not at a premium. So if you didn't say worst case scenario, you never touched the existing building and you just did the green and that's all you had money for, you have more than that. But I'm just saying if you did, it's still eventually you could go in there and clean that building up. It's not like you've spent money then you have to

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respend money to fix the other money. >> You know, you're not wasting >> not like it's not workable. >> Exactly. I don't know if it's been mentioned either, but I think it should be said that with the phasing, >> the fire department's able to run >> building the green card that you're not

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disturbing the operation of, you know, this fire, these guys can come down just as they're doing today and they can go out and take care of business without disruption, >> which was a huge expense that we had carried in the original design when we were renovating the building because effectively you're going to have to

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leave the building. >> So now now we have to find a home for them. We're doing one in Eggatown right now. We built we spent almost a million dollars on a temporary structure >> to house the firemen to house the apparatus and it's a tent. It's a

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million dollar tent. We're going to give it back. >> I got to say transportation of all the stuff to there must be >> Yeah, but the expense >> the tent is the tent. In other words, the cost actually wasn't that much more. >> No, I mean just getting stuff to the island. >> Yeah, the cost is thousand dollar a square foot. It's a lot more expensive to build out

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there. But that's >> and that hasn't all been figured out if we had to do that. >> But but here you build, as Jeff said, it's a great point. You build it, you finish it, you move in, and then you renovate. Simple, clean.

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It's it's a I mean, unfortunately, it takes some land to do it. >> Somebody in the old town, I'm just devil's advocate. I think this question was asked the previous conversation, but the um somebody had mentioned, well, what about not doing anything and taking the old town hall and keeping the facade

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at the front of the building and renovating that and I think from what I was told that was just way too expensive. But has that been explored all that? What's the work? Well, tell me the positive. I'm just trying to be devil's advocate for the old town hall committee in conversation only. To be

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honest with you, we know it's going to be much more expensive and our committee is not willing to spend any more of the money to to demonstrate something that we already know and we're already being told is going to be tremendously more expensive because it would just detract from the money we have for this. >> Yeah. Trying to I mean you're basically

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taking all you if you left a wall or two for the aesthetics of it and now you got to rebuild behind it. It's all custom at that point. We got to demo it. But again, that's not the you wouldn't be putting the vehicles over there. >> You'd be using it for the office space, not the vehicles though, right?

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>> Yeah. But you use it for the vehicles. >> I have no idea what the plan was, but anything to do with that building. >> All that was expressed with us is the interest in um them keeping the the facade. In other words, a facade to the original building staying and somehow a

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new fire station being erected around that utilizing that. Um and that's just well beyond the scratch at that point. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean that that building is not its best use. We're doing a school conversion now to housing. You know

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that's potential housing project or you know tear down the original potentially the addition that was put on basic go back to the the basic building. and Ted, >> we ask for you guys to come back and

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give us numbers on on that proposal to to tear down the old fire the old town hall, leave the facade and put in a building behind it. We asked you guys come back with a number, but you can't say we know it's going to cost more if

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you don't have a number. >> We weren't asked to provide a number as if we would be interested. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Partaking in it. I was sitting there. We said, "Okay, you could you come back in a couple three weeks and give us what you think is a good a price, ballpark price for doing that. We can go back look at the tape."

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>> I think you're right. >> You can't say we can't make this decision to not do that or to do this based on we think it's going to cost more money. You can't do it like that. Somebody needs to get a number on what

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it would be. We know what it's going to cost to tear it down. It's a million bucks. Do you have a budget you can spend on that work? Cuz we don't. >> You have $8 million. >> Yeah. But even if you spend a million just just using that number, the million dollars to do the demo that you get nothing for that. In other words, for

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us, for this project, that would take a million dollars off the top. Then we got to basically build everything we have. >> You already took a million off the top because you've already spent almost a million on other stuff, right? So 7.3. >> Yeah. But if you if it cost a million dollars to do the demo, we haven't even

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built anything yet. So now you're at 6.3 then effectively and you're going to run out of money. I can tell you >> 10,000 square foot 4 bay. I've looked at them. I I I don't believe that they're 15 million. I don't believe they're 12. But but without somebody telling us with

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the numbers, we we can't we can't figure that out. I've got numbers. I went and looked at numbers. I called the guy from Butler Manufacturing. >> Yeah. So I agree with you. The problem is is that when you do jobs like this, you have to pay for like prevailing wage rates. All that I could go and buy an

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80, you know, I can go myself residentially going to get this this Morton building. I spend hundreds of thousands of 100,000 myself, but that's not how the that's not how it works in this kind of construction. >> I I understand and all the I look at all the things I talked to the Butler guy

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about included prevailing wages and what they do these days. It's nowhere near 12 million. is nowhere maybe near tenant. But you guys need to you need need to prove me wrong. That's what I think you need to do before you decide to take over the parking lot and put a new

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firehouse coming into that space. You should you should get a number on what it's going to cost. >> I'll all due respect to the board. That wasn't our charge. Okay. We're following through on our charge. The longer we delay this, the less money we're going

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to have for construction. The more it's going to cost. just more delays is going to end up with less fire station no matter how we slice it up >> and we understand that but we're also balancing that we have to we have an obligation to the old town hall as well and Tab makes up a good point that as we

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do this it diminishes the value of what we can do with the old building you talk about and we've seen it in schools around here where they've rehabed old schools to housing and we looked at that Brian met with a couple of appraisers and they said the layout of that

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building the way it is now and the code violations make it extremely unlikely it could be done. >> Yeah, I' I've been in the building. I certainly haven't studied it. I know just traditional old because was it always a town hall or was it a school originally?

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>> The school as well, but the half floor thing half floor thing is >> Yeah. >> difficult, >> right? I listen, I'm not I'm not going to sit in I can't tell you exactly what that's going to cost to across the street, you know, to do the town hall. My gut as a professional would tell you you're going to spend a lot more money

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than you're going to spend here. We've done projects like that. I know that it's going to be more expensive because you still have to build the same amount of square footage and you're now going to store the building, you're going to support the building, you're doing everything plus+. So, if you put

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everything's even, the butler building, the butler building's even and we're barely affording that. Now, you're gonna do the demo, do the restoration of the other building. I I don't even know if if you're in a historic district that they potentially won't I you potentially can't do it anyhow. I have no idea what the

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>> right caveat there is that it keeps the building. Yeah. >> You might say that you know >> how much of the building >> extra $2 million we're willing to >> put the office there >> to keep the framework of the building in place. >> It's a question how much you willing to spend. >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

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>> And then now this part is to the north >> Yeah. of the office park. >> I think if you look at this as two projects, you know, you got you got the the town hall rena is eight or nine million. >> You got the firehouses 8.3 million,

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whatever it is. >> If you combine that somehow, now you have one project that's less than 16 million. It's it's less it's way less than that. Well, if you're going to put you're saving I think in my own maybe it's in my own feeble mind but prove me

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wrong that if you had two projects at 16 and you can put a firehouse there for less than that we've solved the problem with the old town hall and we have a new firehouse. >> What's this? But the thing let me just let me the thing is that

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the the opinion could be we have to do the firehouse. We don't have to do the townhouse. Yes, you're right. there's an amount to it, >> right? >> But that's not You're right. I agree. I agree. >> That's the the biggest part of the the

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high end of that project, right? >> And remember, too, that the the facade part, saving the facade only was to satisfy a, you know, a bunch of people who want to keep part of that. >> That's a nice building. I mean, the original building is a nice building on it was just a firehouse. You know, there

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you go. That's a thing. Can I ask you, Brian? I sent you a conceptual drawing in your email. >> How long ago? >> What's that? >> How long ago? >> Uh an hour or so if you just popped it up. I I just did a

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maybe maybe it's not in there. But it just gives you an idea what I'm saying. So as far as the old town, >> so the problem that I would have with that is that's a lot of may if there was a flavor to approve at town meeting that kind of a bonding issue, right? um if the if they were to pass

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it. What we know is this. They've already approved a firehouse renovation addition, >> right? So, >> you're right. >> That's kind of our charge. >> I understand that. But here's the thing. We have 8.3 million. You're the architect engineer said, "If we said,

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you know what? We want you to take that money and build it on this property instead." >> And you would look at us and say, "That's great. We can't do it for that amount." Well, you can't even replicate that for 8.3 million because we're doing the renovations at a much cheaper cost of the existing building, >> right? But I understand that. But I'm

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saying >> so incind replacement alone was more money. >> Could you take that structure and do the same thing >> for that money? >> I ballpark. >> I off the top of your head, you'd say >> I'd have to look at it. I mean, we have not >> Well, you have a cost of this, you know,

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like, okay, this is what we need to house all the building. Correct. >> But then could you use that existing building? >> Use the existing building to do this function in a set. Could you I and I'm >> You can do anything with enough money. >> Exactly. Right. Right. You know, tearing it down and trying to save the facades

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and putting sort of peacemailing something together. I first >> custom works everywhere. >> Yes. It's going to be more a lot more >> if you used it for the support facilities only and you and you put the Butler building on the back of it. Um I I haven't looked at the building. I

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don't know what condition it's in. Um so it may be relatively sim. It's bigger than what we need. I mean, I know that >> because there's two floors there, similar size buildings to what's the existing firehouse is now. >> So,

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I I >> And here's the other thing. Then you still got this other building now, >> right? >> That's doing nothing, >> right? >> The only advantage that if it all worked out was that you could sell the old firehouse and that piece of property, you could have give it to a developer or something. We've

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uh along the way here we have spent a year at roughly $30,000 a month inflation and we're probably not getting it onto the street until January. That will be around $500,000

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total >> to inflation. Um we have made internal adjustments to try and recoup some of that. We've changed plans and we've gotten rid of things to put it on the wish list for

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the month list and the offices we're looking at are probably going to be cues at this point rather than structural offices. Mhm. >> So, we're making those adjustments as we go because fund is going down >> and and the time frame

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um we started this in in 24 and the town hall was still there and we were working around that and then it got so expensive to structurally do more than 30% of the headquarters building

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>> that it became cost prohibitive. And that's where we came up with the theory of the Butler building and we would save money as the as Mark said we can operate one and then shift to the other project when the all the apparatus

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is in the new bed. We were asked a couple weeks ago to have it redrawn. We've had it re redrawn and both of those parcels are about the same amount of space plus or minus 56 feet. Um, and we're just printing water here.

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We came in tonight to try and say, can we get that space or can't we get that space? And if we can't, then we're going to have to figure out another plan or just scrap it all together. >> It's It's extremely frustrating to have

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wasted all of this time and really don't have a positive feel about where it's going. He's not wrong. But yeah, right. >> Right. How much of this project is soft costs? >> Is there soft cost or almost a million?

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>> About a million years. >> We're going to probably take the FFN and do it ourselves >> and take some of that away from the architects. Like I said, that's the phase beast stuff up if you >> So, we're making those adjustments as we go >> and it's it's extremely frustrating.

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I've done two or three of these things and I've never had a point quite like this. >> No, I think the one point you made is that we're staying in operation while this is happening. That's >> big critical thing. >> Yeah. I'll be honest. The the original design, we didn't know how we were going to do that, >> right?

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>> Because there quite frankly, there's no way we >> talk about that million dollar where you storing them. So yeah, >> just to give you an idea, >> just gets back into seriously if we were going to solve his problem. >> If it was for base, we really wouldn't

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be having this much of a conversation >> because we wouldn't be changing the property line. >> You possibly would have better opportunities for the building and its original property. >> You still need to pass the easement. You'd have to have an easement to get to the back pocket lot regardless.

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>> That's okay. I feel better about that common driveway type thing. Yeah. >> And we're not talking we're not talking about this is 100 cars a day here either. >> I just want you to know it's not clean in the sense we'd still need to have a a pass easement on that that on current lot.

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>> Yeah. I still think you have an opportunity for driveway around the north side too if you wanted to. >> The grades you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So no way you can get done for base. that this project has been going on for 10 years. I mean, we came originally, if

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you remember, if you recall, 10 years ago with the addition out the south side of that. >> At that time, the board suggested that we get the feability. >> We did that. We went through the program.

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They drew up. We've gone to another architect. We're at the final stage with this architect. Now, we have a funded budget project. Yeah. >> Um, and I feel like maybe that the town hall when you moved out of town hall, you probably should have a plan for it

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before you moved out. >> Before you moved over here, >> you mean what to do with the building at that point? >> I think that discussion should have probably happened sooner. >> Could have been, but we had again take advantage of what we did. Again, those

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costs were going up as well. What we spent rehabbing this building would have cost more if we waited another year. I understand. So you understand what work >> I don't understand what you're saying. A lot of things up in the air help to keep them all balanced. Pat has a good point.

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Are we hamstringing them by cutting into their area for what they need to do with that thing? You know where you're pretty much just saying, okay, you know what? Anything you do with it, you got to rip down the back half of the building and now you got to build it 10 ft shorter because you lost 10 ft. whoever takes it

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over, which again may be an option because it the layout's so odd in the northern part of the building. Maybe you can't do much more than with a half floor, half >> four different levels. >> The half half half thing is pretty hard, right? That's why I mentioned at the last meeting, okay, maybe you shut off

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the basement part and the only thing you keep active is the library floor and which maybe requires less upgrades. H >> you're still going to have to put in a sistern and sprinkle those floors as well. >> Not if you close off the bottom floors.

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I mean, just close them off from access and basically say they're not accessible. Now you only have lift and that's it. But we're not giving proper guidance to the town hall committee. You're on the committee. What are they looking for?

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What do they expect out of this? >> Well, we're at we're at a point where we're We got five options. >> We're going to narrow that down. You know, one of the things is that any amount of land they they lose >> is going to affect the value of the

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property and what you can do with it. >> Right? >> If we decide to do this, then we're going to say, "Okay, well, you got a building with no parking in the back, no parking at all." I mean, >> if you keep that entrance the way it is

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now, if you change out the entrance, you pick up 10 feet of the north. >> And you got to understand that whatever whatever is done with that building is going to cost the town millions of dollars more. >> Talking 8.3 million here, you're talking

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1.5 for the water district. You're talking, >> right? >> Who knows? 8 10 million for >> and we did talk about we floated the idea of an omnibus bond type thing to make the payments scheduled up. These are capital projects. They're 20 25 year projects.

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>> What'sever was ever decided about the old townhouse and I disagree with the chief ever decided is is not going to happen in two or three or five years. Mhm. >> If you look at any other town that's done something with their old townhouse, it's 10, 15

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>> years that they're out out because, you know, they do it in phases. They get a developer, they do a few things, they, you know, I mean, in East Hampton, it took, you know, they just got a grant from the federal government, but it took them 20 years to do that.

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>> Not high priority, too. I mean, the firehouse is a priority. >> Rehabbing this building's a priority. the water district's a priority and the other one needs to be addressed but not phase A you're saying you know

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>> so so does this >> you pay what you say 50 a year basically keeping the townhouse >> 50,000 a year >> 50 a year >> uh does this does away with all the

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parking essentially right because you're in the So, sorry. Go ahead. >> So, you're you're talking about those spaces that actually kind of face the fire station. >> Yeah, it pretty much does. Yeah, it it certainly reduces the length of them

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whether they could still be >> Yeah, but then you have a driveway. >> Those work double spaces. I think I've gone into the town hall plenty of times. There'd be a car up in the space and then people would park behind that car. So if you came down, you still have a

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space there. >> Very possible, >> right? So >> I mean the the the issue with the old townhouse is this. If you keep the old townhouse and you let's say everything goes good and you renovate it and you make it a cultural center or you make it a place for, you know, small business

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thing like that. >> Where do you put the cars? That's the thing. You know, you got you got Green Meadow School over there. uh you know you don't want people parking over there. >> Well, there was the the suggestion that was made of making the parking off north

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road, but >> we need to take we kind of take out that nice grass there. You know, it's kind of nice. >> No, there's no free lunches there, right? Everything has a cost associated. >> You truly have that that problem exists now. If you have all the arches,

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>> they change some of this real quickly. Have you ever had any problem with the fire trucks coming out while they're picking up their kids? >> No, not we have a decision to make here. >> Go ahead. >> I'm going to abstain because I'm on the building.

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>> Oh, that's a good one, Bob. I have one question to them. >> Yeah. >> And it's it's a good question because this still have to go out the bid. >> So, do you think when it goes out the bid that that 8.4 million or whatever,

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do you think that there's somebody going to come in do a great great million or seven? We're we're going to structure it with alternates such that we can >> get it down with the must things

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>> and then the other things will be based on the bidding environment. Okay, perfect. So I mean, >> so the big thing is getting the the equipment bay bid and everything else after that is >> right. How much is left?

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>> So oversimplify really all we need is 12'6 by what's the depth of the building? >> 74. So you need call it 13 by 75. That's what we're asking. >> So 13t wide, 75 ft deep from the

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existing. >> I'm sorry. You need you need ANR on the property to give you more land. >> Correct. >> Right. >> So we only need a swath that's 13 ft wide by the length of the building >> on the common because it's a common lot. >> Well, it's all in common now. So right.

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Yeah. >> So there's no reason that the rest of that property couldn't be utilized. We don't need it. We just need the pass to get in and out and that swap the building property. That's it. We that it's only going to affect so 75. by moving eight spaces.

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>> Are you locked into that separation between the old building and the new building? >> So, they have to be separated to for structural reasons. >> That's what I'm asking. That structure building >> pretty much say could you pick up a foot or two maybe if you I looked at it earlier today, you know, could you pick

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up a foot or two? But the that whole area where the gear room is, it's already tight. So, you know, there's always a will and there's not you're not picking up 12. We just think to death in that regard. >> You still need some. Could we get it a little thinner? Yeah, potentially. >> Maybe go to 10, but it's not it's you're

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still going to lose eight spaces. Yeah, but they're also they're like I said those parking spaces you see the the lines there for the cars but many times I've gone in and a library day the kids are there whatever cars are parking behind those cars >> and still people are able to drive

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behind them. >> Yeah, there's a good amount. >> I'm saying they're double length but you've been there and you know what I mean. >> So >> there may still be I don't think been mapped out there may still be enough parking spaces in here. >> Nice.

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So we need to take action >> to get these >> you can always >> true as well right I mean those could be parallel spaces too whichever >> do you need a does it have to be a setback >> we asked that before they should reach

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out and I asked Lance but he said that was decades ago he didn't remember >> go to the zoning board anyhow because of how close the building will be to a new established property line So it may have to go to the zoning board. I'm not exactly sure. >> Yeah. Not everything applies to

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municipal buildings. Very confusing. But setback may be one of them I think. >> Correct. >> Right. >> If it remains town property that's move point. If they sell it to >> you can't do it with four bays.

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>> Bottom line we're asking can you do for you can do anything right? The reality is it's going to serve the department not as well and ultimately the community not as well. >> You're not future proofing the >> what? >> You're not future proofing the building.

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If you go to four bays, you you basically you don't even have enough room for the equipment that you have now and there's zero roof. >> No, no, four bays. I'm saying four bays, you don't want to go to four bays extending further because then you're into three stacking, which is a bad thing. Which you're saying is a bad

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thing. Yeah, there's there's some things in print that aren't drawn in there like the cascade machine hose draw drying um compressors, workbenches. None of that's drawn into that. Do lots of fire stations. This is not Nobody here is asking for pie in the

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sky. >> This is it's smart for the community. It's smart for the long-term investment. We take a payoff. You're going to save a little bit of money. Really, and I really mean that. It's not a straight line. You're not going to save $700 a square foot by the bank. >> Talk to you.

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>> You're only moving a wall. Basically, >> you're saving roof. >> You're saving roofing. >> And I'm not being funny. I'm not trying to be >> No, I know. I know. I got it. >> So, you're not going to save a lot of money and you're not going to have the opportunity to to really meet the needs of the department now and into the future.

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>> I I think that's a mistake. >> Just And I'm telling you that. >> Yes, sir. >> We had made gestures to the community. that we would take care of the immediate future. We feel that we're taking care of it for 15 years. Beyond that, who

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knows? Um we take care of the health and safety of the people who work there without luxury. But but we need to have function. >> We're not trying to build this for form

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that this is going to be an award-winning structured building. No offense, Jack. I but we need the function out of the building. >> Understand >> this gives us the function. >> I understand that. But I'm asking what our next step is and Lance brings up a good point here that we could say, okay,

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we're going to go to planning with a new ANR, somebody Gary, whatever draws a plan, but then do we need to go to ZBA afterwards to ask for a variance because now we're 10 feet from the property line. And what's that do to your your schedule? You know, we're scheduled out

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now. It's a month before we have a uh a public hearing. >> Well, as common property, I would suspect >> right now we could do the work because it's owned in common, >> correct? >> And draw the line after >> whatever. Right. >> You know, because >> it sounds if it's going to stay town

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property. We'll see in the future. So, >> well, while it's being done and then if the townhouse committee wants a plan where they're going to market it at that point, we need to draw a line. So they have >> correct >> which would that point would we'd have to do it in coordination with zoning

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>> whatever >> then you same thing you say so you just draw a 10 foot if it's a 10 foot offset I'm not draw but you could just draw it around the box you don't need we don't need to move the whole propert >> no the only thing we need to verify and this might be you Brian it's just verifying that this is considered owning

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common property in a single lot my experience in planning is after x number of years it's only in common with the same owner and that's >> I I think it should be conversations with the zoning enforcement officer >> that he would consider it that way >> make sure that >> okay

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next steps right but then we need to give them the go ahead >> to start the plan >> like you say it's not getting cheaper your thing your committee is locked in this is the plan that works this is a phase a phase B

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>> inside the budget >> what's also critical as we're getting as we said earlier you know we're basically looking at a beginning of the year bidding January February of next year timing the market perfect for the end of the winter going into spring work you know

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>> I want to start in the winter time >> no we want to get a bid locked >> bidding in the winter >> you know it's perfect time and >> the more time it's true I mean the market's been great I don't you know we're not seeing hyperinflation by any shot like what we were seeing you know

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in 21, 22, 23 once things got going. So, but the market's actually dipped right now. Uh, so we're in a good place. Where is is it going to be there in January? I can't predict that, but probably still going to be okay. >> All right. So, housing stocks are still

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>> in the old building. So some of that work could be I mean we might we need to do the bathrooms obviously and that stuff but some of that work like the gym, the exercise room and the lounge and that have to probably be put off. >> Exactly. That's the way they're doing the plan now. That's all part of phase

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two. It's going to be in the design. We're going to bid it. If we can't afford it, you'll have it ready to go and >> alter pulled out. Correct. >> That's just design right now. that the shaded part the existing fire station is just it's just a design that the

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architect did. The billing committee has not approved any of that. >> And again, look, it's a bid. If we decide not to bid, we go back somewhere else. But >> yeah, you got a lot of decisions to make. We need a we need a direction. We're sort of not we are dead in the war

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right now. >> Okay. So I think it's incumbent upon the board to basically make a move and give them the go ahead to either draw up the final plans bid documents basically for this this design. Is that what you're looking

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for? >> Pretty much. Yeah. >> And then we'll work with the ZBA and everybody to you know make sure that we're not putting you in a box that you can't draw up a line later on or whatever that you need to do. And you want to sit back or step back

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want to recuse on this or >> I don't I haven't heard a motion yet. >> I'm just saying. So I'm trying to figure out what motion we're crafting here. >> The chairman the chair person. Thank you. There we go.

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So I guess vote to authorize the building committee to work with their architects to draft up bid documents for the plan as submitted

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alt new 5 bay building to south basically with alternates for renovation of the current station. Did you say you reject the motion? I >> that motion. >> So moved. >> Second for this. Thank the discussion.

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>> Nobody like you gone. Nobody like you. All right. So is there any discussion? I see all those in favor of the motion. >> I I will

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I will >> strapping plants. That's all this point. >> I understand what it is. I understand what it is. But you know me. I'm a person who likes to make a decision and just get the effing thing moving. >> That freak and not anything else. Ruth will get it right.

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>> No, I I and I believe also that as before I cast other votes that I think the board has to have a unanimous thing to move these things forward. So I'll vote yes. >> Thank you. There's an extra cookie for you next week.

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All right. So, let's just take a long right on schedule now, aren't we? >> Go to abandon everything else on the agenda. Go to abandon everything else on the See you next week. Sorry, Chief. >> What do we got now? Oh, I got the

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>> police. You >> have a new You have >> You have somebody for a new position. >> You're up. >> Oh, good evening. >> No. Yes or no? >> Yes. >> You like this person? >> I do. >> You recommend this person? >> I certainly I'll entertain a motion.

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>> That's what happens when it runs along like is this the one you expressed before that you're going to need to go to the academy and you're like incredibly licensed already, aren't you? Like >> Oh, yeah. So I have a clinical mental

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health I didn't get. >> We're really looking forward to that for some of us if you don't mind like moonlighting a little bit. >> Thank you. >> So what's the deal? Why do you want to be a cop and work with him?

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>> I wanted to be a cop actually when I got out of high school and my goal really was to help people in any way I possibly could. that I took a different direction outside of high school and now that where I am where I am now co-response for Wilberham and Ham Daddy and it

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seemed like now is a perfect time for me to take that leave I haven't stopped talking about being an officer for a while you mentioned before there's a process here obviously an academy thing and for the newest the next academy is not until the fall

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>> so next academy start date is September 21 right it's our local academy employee potential graduation date is about midFebruary and then we have a field training regimen that uh she would go through. So that's that's the process.

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Unfortunately the timing is such that there's an academy currently. Uh however the encouraging part is that this academy is already scheduled and they they are set to go with it. There is some step to be taken but with a conditional offer >> to Amanda tonight. Um then we move

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forward with some other steps obviously scheduling medical psychological those things. We continue our full background which she's already been through quite a >> um and then there's some steps to be taken to get her actually enrolled in that academy >> which I've already started those

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tentative steps but I have to wait obviously for for your approval to really move forward with that. There are plenty of seats available in that academy. Again, start September 21. >> There's no other no other location. >> No, the other locations. There will be another potential academy

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start. I believe it's scheduled in July. Um but then we're talking quite a distance travel >> time and commitment and those costs get >> because this is on an academy where the recruit stays. So now to add an hour and

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a half to two hours a day travel time >> more potential is just >> Oh, I agree. I'm just not sure. >> Yeah, it's not fair. >> Um but I think that um I think this is a a good solution even though we have to wait a bit of time. We're getting a good

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candidate. As you've seen Amanda's resume, you've seen her. It's pretty extensive >> and we already know her. that. So for the past five months, Amanda's been working through CHD through that grant with Ram and Hammond that she's been here every Wednesday >> as a co-response clinicians.

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>> She already knows every officer in the department. She knows a lot of the EMS folks, the fire department folks learning the town. >> So I think this is a good fit. >> But that's the only role >> she's been a response. >> Correct. >> And that's the only role she can continue and I apologize talking third

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person here. The only role you can continue in until >> Yeah. Really? You can continue until completion. >> You have to stay as the response person. Okay. And you're good with that? Okay.

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>> I can't see any negatives here. The chief recommends Amanda's wellqualified >> already in the system. So motion to uh offer the position to Amanda Rivera

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um subject to completion of the academy and all applicable certifications. >> So move second. All >> in favor. >> Thank you. Welcome aboard. >> Welcome aboard >> again. Again, you're still you're already aboard, but you know, welcome

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aboard again. Sure. >> Thank you. Thanks, Steve. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for your patience. Thank you. Long drive home, Dan. I'm sorry. >> Hey, thanks for thanks for checking on the uh the car while I was away and

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making sure >> walk around the house. You should check the Now he's got me worried. >> Didn't know I had a camera. >> Yeah, a little weird. Yeah. Hey Mark, come on up. >> Want to go back to the room and get the

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cookies? >> All department meeting, >> huh? >> It's like all department meeting. >> No kidding. Who's online? All right. >> All right. Tell just to because we are way behind schedule here.

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So Mark has talked to town administrator myself about uh and this something has come up in prior years much like in other departments where there's a lead person in the department and I think we did this for fire a while

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ago Donna the three per people in the fire department one's a at a supervisory level and you want to do the same thing with the people in your department and create a position that's more of a supervisory position. or form in person if you will. >> Yes. >> Correct. >> Correct.

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>> Okay. And you've worked this out with uh Ryan the description. >> Yes. >> Okay. Great. >> Yeah. And then you would advertise it inside internally first. >> The plan uh if you know if approved Yes.

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would be to um actually start that as early as tomorrow. a po an internal posting >> and I can uh talk with Brian. I mean I think usually there's se days in house

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>> seven days. >> Okay, let me ask you this question. The problem is you're having trouble finding people, right? >> Finding and keeping >> finding and and retaining. >> Yes. Um and we're not alone.

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>> Which brings me to the question. What what do you This is a philosophical question. Waited for her. This philosophical question. Uh well, you you've got you've got a position

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and I know it's happening in other towns too, but these are pretty good jobs. I mean, you know, they got a good salary. They I think our if I recall, I think our people here, you know, with overtime during the winter that stuff, you know,

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made in the high 70s, you get 75% of your health insurance is paid for. you get 12 or 14 vacation days. It's kind of a nice town to work in. It's not like you're, you know, root 91 or something like that.

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>> I don't get it. I don't get it either. And >> I can I can try to give a quick answer of what I've I've seen, what I've I've talked to other, you know, surrounding communities. One thing is the license and the

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license. Mhm. >> Um uh there seems to be a a an issue with obtaining the licenses and um and then using them for for jobs like

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you know >> Yeah. >> careers like this >> CDL you're talking about >> the CDL. Yes. Um they've they've gotten a little bit harder to obtain uh recently in the last few years. Um >> cost too costly. the cost. Yep. Um, the

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cost has gone up. The other thing, too, is and and talked about this, it's I don't know if it's a I I don't know if it's a a generational thing or uh people just aren't >> they're always looking for the next best

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thing and they're not sticking around uh and planning a future, you know, a retirement. >> But you know, you get a retirement. >> I couldn't agree with you more. I see I see the same thing in my business too. And I had a lady who retired at 91.

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>> Wow. >> You know, and now the new ones, you know, I swear they they come in and have fun looking at their phone like >> where's another job? You know, it's just it's a different ethic or whatever you want to call it. I remember yes >> I write along and you're right about

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CEOs but also the CEO license your >> so they're they're they're clamping down a little so on and so forth. >> All right. So, how does the board feel about uh this new position?

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>> How's this going to affect the collective bargaining agreement? >> Uh so, uh I think it's >> union, right? >> Right. Right. He still will be. Um >> he will be or won't be >> will be.

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>> Ryan, you researched that a little bit. What was your thought? Yeah. So in within the agreement under management rights it gives it gives the presented the right to promote within. >> Okay. >> There's actually like so it's two two or

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three uh separate clauses under under management rights of the you know the right to um promote the right to um um create policy for um hiring retention so on and so forth. also the the right to

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um establish different grades, classifications, so on so forth. >> Well, that would be the next question. Again, we have a contract that establishes compensation, is there enough there to provide if you're promoting somebody and you're

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giving them much like a supervisor on the police detail additional compensation, is there language there to cover that? because you're not making somebody foreman for the same money they're getting the regular guy is getting right

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I think I think our opinion is it's within management rights to do that >> as okay well we pay you for your opinion so okay that being said how's the board feel >> yeah I think it's u it's tough it's

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tough to retain keep good talent Mhm. >> And what you voiced is as deserving as any >> um to our posting and you know come back. >> Yeah. In a motion to authorize the change to

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the highway department personnel to advertise this new position. >> So moved. >> Second. >> F. Thank you for saying Mark. >> Oh thank you very much. Thanks for your time. So, you've been obviously you heard the conversation with uh Jen and with John. In your opinion, the

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project's going well as well. Um the water district upgrade. >> I I don't think I was here for that, John. >> Oh, they're saying they're pretty close to done, they feel. And you talked before about that's in your plan for resurfacing after full completion some

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of the roads >> already done. >> Great. >> Yes. We're just waiting for >> uh we're waiting. I'm just waiting on the the line painting. >> South Mountain >> and Glen South Mountain. Glendale

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>> Glendale. Uh Scanic, a portion of Main Street, and then maybe a portion of uh South >> to do just the yellow lines. >> Where's the loader? >> Uh I can check on that tomorrow and and send >> Yeah, we got them. I haven't checked in

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in a week or so. >> Okay. Well, Eric's got a bottle of sparkling wine. He wants to break over the front of it. >> That's it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then you cleaned it up with the loader all glass. Yeah. >> All right. Great. Thank you. >> Thank you for your time.

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>> Don, you want to hire somebody new? >> Me? >> Yeah. It says right there. >> They do. Yep. Um, so we've been trying to establish a transfer station and we have call outs of the individuals

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because currently right now the board of health coordinators covering a lot of those hours. Um, so put out an advertisement. We received interest from gentleman named Clark. Believe it's

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pronounced Cadis. K A D I S. We interviewed him last week and recommend that he be uh appointed as a transfer station tenant substitute >> as needed or is this a rotation thing? >> It would be as in I'll call basis.

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>> Okay. when when they need something. >> Is this person retired? So, they're like, you know, available. >> This person's younger than I am. They're self-employed. They have their own >> They make her farm. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Or the plan B was. Okay. >> Very knowledgeable.

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>> Okay. So, help thing. I'll make a motion that we appoint Clark Kis to the transfer station attendant list. Second. All in favor? I I

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Mark is on board. >> Okay. So, I went to the senior center building committee meeting today. It was reported that we had two bids. Uh one from Window World for just under 50 and one from some place that must be

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using stained glass from torn down churches for 200. >> Huh? You saw the difference in price? >> Yeah. Four times. >> Yeah, >> it's five times the price. Seriously, there must be Christ cathedral in New York. They took the windows from the

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quote for the old town hall windows. >> But, uh, as we said, you know, >> you know, sometimes sometimes, you know, they hope nobody else bids and they'll get it, right? But hey, it does happen, right? Either way, >> Window World was the best bet,

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>> right? window world for well well inside the budget we had. >> Yes. >> So a motion to move. >> Oh second favor awarding the contract to Window World. >> John I

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>> I thank you. >> Frankly through it. Uh the next thing would be we actually just quick report then the >> the chap who has been working with Herb for the HVAC upgrade here gave us a a rendition of what we could expect there.

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Pretty good talk. Uh a lot of incentives out there. I really think there's a good chance that they have 200 left for that work and I think it'll be well under that and again based on the fact that what we're paying here. So, a lot of

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government incentives still author if we make the move. That part's good. Okay. ZBA wants temporary help. I got no problem with that. Anybody? >> I don't even know. I don't even know if it's a motion help.

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>> Yeah. Basically, which >> is it? We've already Rose did that last year. >> Rose did. >> Yeah. So, does it really need a motion or you as a HR personnel person, can't you just approve that on your own?

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>> As long as I know you're all right with >> you sign. >> I think I think the board will sign the page. I think the board's fine with the town administrator helping out with personnel needs. >> Yes. Okay. >> Town council discussion. As Brian said, he had one response.

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uh KP and we talked about maybe perhaps having them into the stuff with us. I did have a conversation with a couple other attorneys, one who was the town attorney for Wolverham and said he has people he thinks should be interested if they knew more about compensation. I did make the point that

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this is not a fixed amount. We have a budget and honestly and Don you've been just long you know we could spend 5,000 on legal in one year we could spend 50,000 legal one year it's just what happens you don't know so

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it would need to be a firm that would be fine with look just because we appropriated 50,000 you're not getting every dime of that 50 but I do think KP's got a great reputation But they're not local.

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>> They represent like 40 towns out here. >> I know. I know. >> You know, they represent a lot of towns out here. >> They do. But I'd like to bring them in for a talk. I think it'd be appropriate. >> Are they Are we going to have legal bring for a talk? >> Yeah. Next week.

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>> Oh, yeah. Okay. I thought there was a punch line to what mom was saying. >> No, it was I think it was pretty much it. >> Good. All right. If we're not happy with it, we cast the net again if we are. >> And I think Brian made the point, look,

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you don't need to try them forever. We can try them for a year and it back out again. >> Yeah. Honestly, we worked with Doherty for 20 plus years on basically no contract. They were just the ones we picked and stayed with them. And if you if you shop it around, the rate we were

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paying them >> was less than a lot of firms. >> We won't see that rate. >> No, that's the problem. >> You won't see that again. No, >> it was they they do like about KP law though, the bigger firms is is there one thing

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we didn't get from DHY is heads up on a lot of stuff that like came or changing MGL stuff like that. If they're doing it for somebody else, maybe we're already we're not paying for it because they already tilled back. They already got it. >> Yeah. You hold it.

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>> Okay. So, let's ask let's ask them to come in. Yeah. Please. >> Uh 4th of July celebration, Don. >> Fourth of July celebration. I just thought see the 250th anniversary of the country. We should do so. We got this nice gazebo out here. Have a band concert on July 3rd or 4th.

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>> Annie wants a cage fight. I heard that. >> Huh? >> Cage fight, too. You heard? Yes. Freedom fight freedom fighter. Freedom fight. That's Yeah, exactly. >> And uh so we need some bunting and we need a ban. The ban's 250 bucks. Town events.

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>> It's a too short notice and I worry about and people on Fourth of July do things. They have plans that rock they do is they come to the >> we got the thing the following weekend.

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>> I think we should try >> July 3rd. Thursday night. No, Friday. What? Friday night. Friday night. >> No, that's that's fireworks. >> Is the firework somebody still doing their >> No, they're doing laser light show. >> Oh, nice.

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>> All right. I I like the idea of July 3rd. >> We'll try that. Okay. Right. If it doesn't work, if it's just the two of us tooting a horn there, it'll be fine. >> I make a motion we make Don in charge of the July 3rd celebration. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Be my assistant.

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>> Won't even be in town. Are you kidding? >> Like, yeah. How many people? We got an invitation to walk in the Fourth of July parade in East Long Meadow. How many are showing up with me this year? >> You didn't come last year, Don? >> No, I didn't. >> Or the year before. >> I don't think you've ever been there. >> I've never been there. I've been in Long

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East Long Meadow, but never >> I grew up I grew up there. I used to go >> You're not going to be there either. >> I'm going to be on vacation. >> All right, fine. I'll be holding the banner and we had we had the Tom Buckman banner. I'll be holding it by myself. One year I'll do

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it says M. >> Actually, it probably says Boris back. >> Yeah, let's go. Uh, next me war. Yes. Okay. All right. Good. >> Come up with some dates. >> So, so I did hear from from there were

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some emails going back and forth and then I got an invite for um sort of a staff level planning meeting on June 17th to talk about. >> So, you and Nick are going to talk about it. >> Uh so myself, I was on it, Nick was on

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it, and then the school um what's the I guess it's just the to I don't know >> but I guess it's to just kind of scope out what the meeting is planning the planning meeting for the plan.

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>> Is that is that that have your people call my people? >> We'll set this up. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I would think we'd be fine having another substantive meeting in July or August where we have a good agenda. The

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last meeting was the best of all the meetings we'd had honestly. And if we could have another purposeful meeting like that probably at the W country club that's fine with dinner, >> another special event stab. >> Yeah. Yeah, they've got one. They got a

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gift. They get paid. No. >> Um yeah, work it out and bring it forward. And then the that dubtales right into the next thing, summer schedule. >> Schedule, >> right? So Ryan, you gave us some dates. I mean somewhere. >> I'm out.

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>> Huh? >> I will be at Gillette Stadium on the 29th >> of >> It's Monday. >> June >> of June. >> Yeah. I'm not worried about >> who's playing. >> That was a round of 32 game. >> No, >> I don't know yet. >> Oh, you don't know. >> One on the 19th also.

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>> Okay. But is there >> Okay. In July and August, do you have any weeks off? Uh, not Mondays. >> Not a whole week. >> Oh, okay. How about you, Eric? >> I do.

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>> And >> I'm way July 6th through 10th. >> Okay. >> And then again, August believe it's believe it's 17th through the 21st, believe.

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>> Okay. We just double check and then we put all this. >> Okay. Actually, that kind of actually worked out well. So, if we did the every other because this goes right around, we would do the 13th,

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27, 13th, 27th, 10th, and 24th. >> 13, 27, 10th, >> 24th. So, that would miss your two weeks off. >> Yep. Yep.

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And again, we would just say these are proposed ones. We can always schedule meeting if something comes up that's urgent. >> 137. >> Some of those I can I could always >> 10th only. >> So >> that's fine.

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>> What's the first time we meet in July? >> 13th. >> Never mind. 10th for 14th. >> We're going to meet I'm wrong. 30th of June, right? >> Yes. Yeah. No, 20. Uh, yeah. We'll put it to >> 30th because you only have how many things do you have for the game?

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>> Five. >> Oh, >> well, four by four and then one somewhere else in the stadium. >> Oh, okay. >> And I'm wrong. >> So, our meeting is we're meeting at what? >> Yeah. >> See, somebody here does. >> You must get a deal.

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>> That's a good point. I look to see what the preseason games are for the bases, too. It's the 10th or the 14th last. >> Oh, I'm wrong. I just confirmed with the boss. I'm wrong. >> Oh, it's going in though. Apparently, now he's got a date on the August 10th. >> August 10th or the 14th when I'm off,

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but I can zoom if we need to. I can zoom for both if I had to. >> So, but you're off on the 20th also, right? >> Of >> July. >> Uh, no. >> Oh, you're not? >> No. July 20th. I'm

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>> Oh, okay. So, if we do the 6th, 20th, 3rd, and 17th, >> you're fine on all those. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Third, 17th. >> Yeah. >> That's changed now. >> Yes. Look, Don, come here every Monday.

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If you see us, you see us. If you don't, >> go home. The sixth of my anniversary. >> Oh, 58 years of bliss or just 58 years. >> 58 years. >> Are we avoiding that day?

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>> He's bringing a cookie home as a present. >> You probably won't even be around. >> Okay. So, that tentatively that's our summer schedule for July and August. again meetings to fill in if something comes up. We got we got >> one. The one thing that's kind of

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hanging out there is the uh conservation restriction for OPM. >> We have a fussy timeline as well. >> Okay, >> that's fine. And um >> we'll take and either sometime in June, Ryan, last meeting in June or whatever,

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we'll do the motion for one person to sign the warrants on the off weeks. Right. Yeah. And report the amounts at the following meeting. and other other things for 27 um board leazison assignments

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>> and we do appointments right as well. >> Yeah, >> I would make the right now the since we didn't change the board I would assume we keep the liaison the same at this point. >> Yeah, I mean there's no reason to change. >> Um speaking of liaison,

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Mr. fiber cable guy. >> So, the senior center, >> yes, >> is having horrendous trouble with their cable, >> right? >> The phones are dropping their computer to their VIP. >> So, Andre came in, they changed out the router.

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We tried doing the change out the modem and the charter says they don't know what we're talking about. We have a trouble ticket that Bim put in a month ago that they're not responding to. So my question is why don't we change them to fiber like the other town buildings?

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The problem is I think we probably pay more per month for fiber than we pay for cable. Right now they're paying 160 a month for cable which surprised me because I pay 90 something for cable at home which is just income but and they would just pay for internet because part

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of the cable agreement gives them free TV. So all they're paying it for is I don't know why they're paying more than a home access, >> right? >> So I guess the question would be >> where does the where does the fiber line? Does it go to the police station?

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>> And that's um >> shoot it even a dark hook up from the police station. >> But is that a dedicated just for the police or is that a shared? >> I don't know. I mean we have fiber here through you think it's through whip city. The fiber here is owned by charter.

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>> Is run by charter? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Do we know how much we spend a month on that? >> Oh, we're not into the fiber here. >> Huh? >> We're hooked into the coax here. >> We didn't get fiber. >> Oh, >> I thought we were going to because they had fiber run here for the school. I

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thought we were just going to like change over to that fiber. >> The fiber to the school's dark fiber. Back to ma >> only that. >> Yep. >> Can we use that and not pay for it? You have something we pay 20% already,

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right? >> A couple tech guys. >> It would have been more expensive to use the fiber area and get around the same level service. >> Did somebody ever call from the senior center like say, "Hey, I'm representing the town. This is what >> Yeah, that's what Bim did. And he got a

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ticket number for them to fix it." And since then, nothing. You like I say, they're dropping. I mean to be on the phone with a senior and the phone will go out and all a sudden the computers will go out.

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So, we need a better solution. Either we need better access goes back to >> where the hell are we with charter? >> I know personally I could speak to it is that at my house I had frequent drops and I could have sworn it was my wireless that was going on. The wireless you really can't blame on the ISP because you don't know.

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>> But when I when I upgraded all my drops went away. >> All my drops went away to agree to the motors. I that's I can tell you that's my my my internet is >> because I'm seeing it at home >> 99% more stable. I don't I can't remember the last >> of them from

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>> I would drop all the time before. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> And you know I wasn't singing them praises in the past but so far they're doing pretty good. >> Well, keep in mind they're also doing that big fiber upgrade in town, aren't they? >> How's that coming along?

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>> They're done. I think >> that Oh, that Yeah, that's done. >> Yeah. So you get you hook up for fiber. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, no. Well, it's hybrid fiber. So, it's fiber to the node and it's coax. >> That's the upload download. >> Upload down. Yeah. Right now there right

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now when I called I could get up to two gigabytes up, two gigabytes down, >> which is pretty substantial. I just do one up and one down. That's my own personal thing. But they're saying that in the future they're going to do fiber to the home which can provide a higher level of speed. But that's future. But for right now,

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>> okay, >> this increased fees are available for the residents, >> right? Okay. Board reports. I have nothing to report. I have nothing. But I know that the planning has a pretty aggressive schedule going

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for next couple of months. >> Nothing. >> Lauren, nothing. Okay. South Road project bridge project kickoff meeting tomorrow at 2 pm >> at the echo bridge or by

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>> really oh wow not teams >> um I talked about the middle school planning meeting regional dispatch amendment that I draft that I sent to Wilberham um and I think both board and bel take that up thanks

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dispatch for one year >> while we >> so that's the funding we have in place and they're they agreed to it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um we have disconnected the one of the wells here that we will require

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has been disconnected. We're waiting on the water test results for the disconnected um which is obviously tested. It's probably on a quarterly basis anyway. So, um I'm not too worried about that.

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Um I need to work on the uh the actual agreement for the Holland contract for the transfer station Holland contract and uh the cable agreement which is taking forever still. >> That is about it. >> Okay. So, just for the record, we did

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receive the new assessment from the school district. Uh they removed the capital items from their assessment letter. So this agrees with the the budget passed at our town meeting and the budget passed Wim town meeting even though they agreed to the thing they

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exceeded the assessment. So we're now both in compliance and everybody's going to get paid starting July 1st. Although I did have the question and it's still the same status on negotiations at this point that uh one is done and one is not

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>> and I don't know where that standard >> motion to adjourn. Second >> all in favor. >> Thank you. >> Wow. I don't like