Call the meeting to order. This is a meeting of the Hampton Select Board being held in the townhouse auditorium May 1st, 2025 at 10:00 a.m. The meeting is being conducted in person and remotely using video conferencing technology. Please stand for the pledge of [Music]
allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Anyone recording the meeting other than
ourselves? Seeing none, we'll continue uh senior center update. I I don't you or me. Well, the the committee has submitted the list to Brian and to the select
board for proposed additions and improvements for the coming fiscal year. Right. Uh the select board is going to attend the meeting on Monday of this senior Senate committee and ask if there's any willingness to participate
in perhaps splitting it into two years and pushing the roof portion off till the following year. in my conversations with Gary belt of the four things being worked on which is the septic, the windows and the bathrooms and the roof.
Uh the roof is the one that could you know push off a year and effectively exact number split the cost in half roughly. Um, the question that I do have is for consideration is will we continue to do
the uh re restore the paving for the parking lot. That's in March's budget at this point. Yes. Yes. So, we would do that this year. So, that'll be discussed Monday. I know Dime you're talking about coming in. Yeah, I'm going to be there. Yes. Right. I invited Brian to be there as well. And it'll be it'll be in the
great room because again it's a crowded facility and the uh No worries. Bathroom is not available. Yep. Good. That's the update. Who's going to make the motion at that meeting? Meeting. I would. Yes.
And then somebody the current motion will be for the full amount because that's what's published and then somebody needs to make an amendment. I think that'll be part of the discussion on Monday. Right. Well, procedurally the motion could be for a lower amount without a problem because it hasn't been published at a number. You mean? Yeah. The motion isn't part of the warrant.
So, the amount isn't really dedicated at this point. Exactly. You You probably wouldn't want to exceed that amount because you've given fair warning. Although, you could probably argue that one in court, too. But, yeah, if you just read the motion for the lower number and then explain the difference,
you'll be it's it's one less vote for Ricky to deal with. We're trying to get out before 11:30, so it's probably a good call. How many more? 30 something. 30 something. 11:30. sign that consent agenda which hopefully will it's a good exercise to maybe is it six on six and
six it probably take longer to explain than it would be for the first year hopefully it'll go better in the future it's 3 there's 34 items right now I'm not sure whether putting off the
roof is the right thing to do I would if I was considering a an upgrade I I think the roof is really important. And the heating system is up there. And you
and if you lose your roof, you're going to need a whole lot more repairs. And that roof evidently isn't under warranty anymore. Yeah. But it's not failing either. It's not failing. And the thing is, Connie, this is all in light of the fact that Brian has shared with the
board the projection for the upcoming year. And if you watched the board meeting Monday, you saw we were looking for ways that reduce the impact on the tax bill. Oh, I know that said really everybody to take a little part of it.
It's a heck of a year for us. I know Brian and uh Dick have looked over the numbers coming forward potentially including the fire thing and it could be a tremendous impact and if every board does a little bit we can bring it down a bit. We're not looking for one
department that take a whole burden. That's all. Right. And roofs usually last about 40 years typically. It's amazing. Monday we talked about and I think probably on the regional school comm school at that time
when they put the roof on Thornton Burgess, it was a 20-year roof with a 20-year bond. Well, the roofing company went out of business. the ponding company went out of business, but the roof has lasted since that time relative through good work by the school department, their maintenance
department, right? And we put the membrane on a membrane roof, so they could just patch it rather than ripping it all out, you know. So, we're fortunate in the concern of going over there. The roof is not one of our immediate concerns at this point. And you were up there, right, that Yeah, I
went up and looked at it. Looks fine. Considering its age, it's in very good shape. Yep. Well, that's considering it age, we're in very good shape. That's a membrane and gravel around this this table. No, just a membrane. No gravel anymore.
Mebrane. Well, as long as nobody hits it with a steel shovel. It's different than the roof when Peter and I climbed up there back in the uh I beg your pardon. I saw you up there. Yeah, you saw me because you were standing next to me, which is why we had to take the pillows
down. But that's history. Uh, fire station update. Hey [Music] guys. All right. So, as of probably earlier today, we've got at least posted up there now the presentation kind of
outlines kind of a summary for the project that, you know, we'll maybe tweak that, but that will be at town meeting. We'll be presenting that. And we're also now have up on you the fire department page kind of like the whole breakdown from the architect. It's like the whole breakdown of the project, what they figured in their square footages
and all that um with the current set of plans. So all that stuff has been uploaded with Brian's help um via either on the town part of the page or actually on the fire department website. self. Um, we did have an open house last night. Had a few people attend and we're
going to be having next Wednesday a two-part thing. Open house again and we're going to start off from 6:00 to 7:00 here with a presentation, architects coming in to go over it and then we're going to have another tour at the fire station uh for anybody that's
interested. So, um, I'll kind of open it up to any any questions that you guys have at this point. So, um, Are you going to make the motion? We haven't got that far. So, we'll kind of look for some direction from you guys. What are your thoughts? Well, I mean,
you want us to make Yeah, I think that should make the motion. You know, someone from the committee should make the motion. You'll get a script. Yeah. Yeah. And you can do a presentation. Yeah. Our thought is Yeah. Make the motion, chief, myself, whoever makes a motion and then we'll, you know, a short
presentation. it is town meeting because honestly I would like to leave as much time open for questions from people. So yeah, couple minute presentation quick little history kind of go over the presentation and then just open it up for questions. Okay, I asked that because um Brian's going to meet with uh
Rick on on Monday as opposed to work out the logistics. Logistics. Yeah. So yeah, that's that's our plan. Again, you know, couple minute three or four minute presentation um and then open it up to questions certainly uh for anybody. And 8.3 8.3. Yep. 8.3 is the number. Um,
thank you, Dick. Dick was put able to put together sort of an idea on the tax impact, which all that stuff has been posted up there now. Um, so people can start to get to that information. That is a very wild ass guess number.
We are talking about probably no impact on the tax rate till FY28 would be my guess. Um, I have no idea if we'll be what interest rates will be at that point. And there's also that potential for the
change in federal tax law that could have a it's a small chance, but that could have a negative impact on our our ability to issue bonds. But it's my best wild ass guess. And hopefully by 28, nobody
remember what I forecasted. I remember after you leave the room is that second floor corridor like just storage storage. Yep. Completely unfinished obviously with mechanicals up there. It's a center of the building. From there you kind of branch out, go where you need to go, but it's completely unfinished upstairs. I mean
maybe a plywood subfloor. That's it. Y curious what it was. Y you want to talk about the financial now? What do you want to know? We're in this is going to be a very very difficult year. Uh the operating budget itself last year went up 4%, this year went up
8%. Um you know, there's just a there's an awful lot of cost increases. Um every $150,000 is about 1% on the tax rate. So, uh we're going to have a tough time here.
Um, you know, the numbers I gave Mark here is that we're looking at once the fire station kicks in between a 4.3 and a 5.9% increase between $275 and $375 on a the average single family
home. Um, again, that's a few years in the future. Um, you know, it's really hard to forecast what the tax rate is going to be this early in the year. Obviously, there's a lot of numbers we don't know until we close the books in July. For
any department heads, anything that can be turned back goes right to free cash and helps. Any revolving fund surplus uh funds that you, you know, you don't need that can be uh written back to general fund goes right to reducing the tax
rate. Um, from a strategy point of view, my priority is to try to get the water project paid off before any of the large capital projects like the firehouse kick
in. You know, we put 900,000 on this year's tax rate, which was both intended to go toward the water project. The water project was three and a half million. Uh, we got a million dollar grant. So that's 900,000.
So I figure we got two years to pay off the rest of that. So that would be falling off the tax rate before something like the firehouse goes on. So Dick, my understanding to a project like
this 20-year bond, it's not a permanent part of the tax, right? It goes away when the project goes away like Green Meadows. Well, it's 70 years old, 20 years is pretty permanent. So, yeah, you know, maybe some of you kids don't think so, but yeah. Um, yeah, it's a 20-year mortgage, and yes, at at the end of 20
years, something else will replace it. Dick, our current are two current bonds. When do they fall off? The police station, the police station was 2018, so 2038. Uh, the other one's the high school. I don't remember. What's that? 10 years
old now. Yeah. So, there's another 10 years on that. I know that a refi go down. The high school was a 30 year. Oh, was it? Did they go for a longer one than that? I believe so. It could be. We didn't buy one. It's like forever for on, you know, on that one, you know, and
the police station is going to be one of those things like Green Meadows. We keep saying, "Oh, when it falls off, but you know, it's like $240,000 a year. By the time we get to n 2038, that'll be pocket change. You know,
like a dump truck used to be a warrant article and now it's like part of the budget. Exactly. You know, and it's like your house mortgage. It's a killer the first year, but in the last year it's a joke how small it is if you don't refi and these are these do go. This is
the first year on a on a bond. The bond market likes level principal uh mortgages, not level payment mortgages. So, it goes down um in on something this size, it would drop about
23,000 on the low end to 46,000 each year, get a little bit less. So, um, again, so you know this if it's if we get the best deal possible like we got on the police station, it's 644 a
year and it would drop by about 23 each year. Okay. So, the procedure is going to be we need a 2/3 vote at town meeting and then we would uh have to go to our exclusion. Yep.
that exclusion which would be a majority at the ballot. Well, that's and we're going to schedule that June 23rd if it passes at town meeting added to the I think focusing on the why you're doing it would be really helpful. Um people
really need to understand what what the issues are. Sure. And and you have two to three minutes focus. Well, I think your idea of the tours, I know you had one last night, maybe not well attended because it was short notice, but one in the next We have one this Saturday.
Okay. And then we have, excuse me, another one next Wednesday. Okay. Yep. So, we have two more. And And again, we put it out there. Anybody any time can stop down, but that we've got two tours. And I I think several people have come in, they've walked 10 or 15 steps. It's like, I didn't realize it now. This
makes sense. I agree. I mean, we've gotten really good coverage in the press with respect to why, but not everybody reads. I I think you've got a fairly easy case to meet to why the place needs remodeling. I mean, between the potential host of violations and the hot
cold zone problems and all that, that's pretty easy. What you have what I think you're going to have to sell is that $8 million is the only reasonable solution. What? There's not a $2 million solution. That's the hard sell, right? Okay. And and and again when we were kind of
putting this together, we're like, okay, other projects might give you a choice A, B, C. Well, okay, we kind of looked at it. What are the what are the things you need to do in this project that this is it. It's not like there's optional stuff here. It's the core minimum to meet sort of the safety things to function today. Give us the opportunity
to invest in the future 10 years. We're again out of space. I think that's what you have to convince us. Right. Right. Us the town meeting's a place unfortunately. Right. Yeah. Right. No, you get to the you get to reach everybody at one time. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Good, better, different.
Right. Yep. Yep. But yeah, we certainly encourage everybody to come up whenever you can just take a walk through there and you can see it. Um again, um just everything that we brought up really gets driven home when you to see the place when you have to walk sideways between the trucks and the There are
places Connie couldn't get through sideways. Sorry, but that's how tight it is. I guess you and I aren't going. Yeah. All right. TWWB update, sir. Um, not too much more. Um, I did have a
chance to meet with the light um, and hear their estimates. They said it would, um, if we were to do the entire building, um, it would cost, and this is including rebates, 219,000 for everything. there'd be a reduction
of around um four I think it was 400 light fixtures that would be removed from the building. Um again, this is something that doesn't need to be done all at once cuz we're not using all the space at once and the existing light fix the
existing light fixtures are operational for the most part. Um so that's what we'll be looking um if we were to do that. Did they give you a net result of changing them? how much your electric use goes down. You know, I was going to ask that, but the problem is we have no idea what the usage would
be with us in there, which But it's a it's a calculation. It's straight math. You you got 10,000 light bulbs, 40 watt bulbs, you got to put in, you know, 4,000 LEDs that are going to use that much electricity. It just it's a and
then it comes times 20 hours a day or or 18 hours a day or whatever. But that's the point is that we there's probably a lot less usage as a town hall than anything that they had seen with a building open 10 hours a day or whatever. That's what I'm thinking that
we're already going to be consider using considerably less than it would be. We're only open 4 days a week. We're the best way to do it would be to wait a year and that's why I'm thinking, you know, the payback. But but I I lit a
building uh you know in Georgia and the electricity savings paid for the bulbs and the installation of the bulbs probably would it was it was less than a year payback. Wow. Yeah. And we fin and it was financed through Granger. I mean Granger put us on to the contractor.
They're they're a major electrical supplier. They said they used to have those deals where 80% was paid for by the utility and 20% by the town. But now it's shifted unfortunately a whole other way where well we were we were supposed to get a rebate from the utility company
down there but Georgia Power decided to put D nuke online and it cut all theates out. But yeah I think you know Brian's idea of waiting a little it doesn't have to be an immediate thing and we get an idea what our energy bills and we'll find out if it's worth it. Yeah, we get
a one or two year payback. It's a slam dunk, you know. But the lights are bright enough for school. So, they're certainly bright enough. Dick's point is that the usage nothing. I mean, the cafeteria is not going to be on like it is during a school day. The gym is right now auto lit as you walk in. Yeah. Motion sensing. That would be my one
concern would be the gym is that we don't have a platform to change bowls. A cherry picker to change the bowls. Yeah. We used the uh scaffolding before. or we had to bring in, you know, plywood for the floor before we put it on there and then moving it from plywood to
plywood to not damage that. Yeah, but you could you could rent those lifts with the treads. Mhm. But that's costly to change a bulb, right? That's all I'm saying is, you know, costly to change. You can't teach a drone to do all those ropes that we used to have when we were kids there. It was so much easier to go. And then um herb changed all the dead
ones that were out there, but I think there's a couple that are out again. Yeah. But so does the school have a own a piece of equipment? Yes, Herb changed those. I see. And where do they keep it? I don't know. Could we could make an arrangement.
Mobile school to school. Brian, does that price include some of the flooring that needs replacing? Which price is that? The pricing for what you did. You gave it 219 for the lighting. Just lighting without all the lighting. That's period.
Plus the cost of all the other There's at least two or three classrooms that did need flooring. A big tripping hazard there. That should be fixed. Yeah, that's Yeah, that's what we had discussed when we were over there, right? Um so on the warrant on this warrant, there's a request. I think it
was for 75,000 um on top of the around 100,000 that's currently uh currently appropriated. Um and I think that should that should include some of the flooring issues that need to be addressed. There's a couple masonary issues that need to be
addressed. Um, based on the time bond report, there was um some miscellaneous plumbing and electrical things that need to be that need to be uh addressed. And that's that that's really it. And then if there's any sort of uh miscellaneous minor furniture costs or
painting or things like that um that might need to be done in my mind, that's really what we need to to get in there. Um and if the and then I I think the next biggest thing down the road is how do we deal with cooling? Um didn't work when I went there.
So there is there is some cool in the building already in some of the locations like the front office uh I think three you have the classrooms and then another two classrooms in the back that have cooling already. Um but I think that's sort of the next biggest thing that would need to be addressed
within that next 12 months. Okay. So, what I'm going to need or we're going to need for town meeting is what we're going to do now to move in there, the cost of that and what we project in the next maybe one or two
years like the lighting or something so that people have an idea what the cost is going to be in in in the future. I'm sure someone will ask well how much is the total thing going to cost. So, well like the time bomb report did a good job of phase A B C. Yes, the parking lot
needs work. It doesn't need to be in phase A, right? That type of thing. So, yeah, I think that door security is key. Door security is the key. Go ahead. Um Ryan, if I could the uh 219 that could be done in phases without a without a
problem. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's that's assuming there's the energy rebate would stay the same over the Yeah. That's not even on this warrant. So, Right. No, it's not. And then yeah the the in terms of in terms
of the cooling sort of the next steps. Oh and also the the water has the the POS filtration that would probably need to be um installed as well. A number for that already. I've I've heard anywhere between 50 to 100,000.
And that's again if we if we spread these costs out it it creates more opportunities to find funding elsewhere for them. Right now there's a lot of funding for for POS issues right now. So the main issues right now is the filtration system, the floors for
hazardous tripping and the security of the doors. But your main you could survive with the rest of it for a few years until Yep. you move on. But at the present time that would be to me the most active way to go. I would agree with that. Yeah. Has got to be in there
too. I think there's some ambiguity on the filtration stuff because air conditioning again the level was under the mandated level at this point. It was more of a warning thing and with the turmoil if you will on the standards organizations and the government um
although we were alerted last year they may be lower that may not happen. So I don't know if that's really at phase eight at this point. Right now the level we saw is not over the mandated limit. Yeah. And I would say is there a way around that by saying this is not a
potable water source like can you or is that's not going to be still going to be a public water supply. It's just going to be a lower level. Right now it's the maximum one it can be which is 400 radius publicly a maybe or whatever. It would drop to
what the town hall is right now. the diameters less. Can you just say like don't drink the water like for a year? I I think we would. So you're going to tell everybody in the gym to bring your own water? Yeah. There's no water there. I mean there's I mean unless you're going to do the bottle things like they do in the library basically. You were
thinking I mean well that's what I'm saying for the you know for the Yeah. Like or the one in the break you know the bubbler the bubbler. Sorry. Not the bubbler. The the what the water cooler. The water cooler or whatever. But like if we have to extend that I
kind of agree with John like if we have to extend that you just put a sign up hey look this is not a potable water don't drink it people will still be washing their hands so is that's a problem so I don't know just to put in context the regulation right now is 20 it's 20 parts per trillion
um and the mass the threshold was going to get lowered to three parts per trillion that was what we heard um the test the most recent test there was 11 parts per trillion So it doesn't trip the threshold, but it mass DP as a threshold. If you're over 10, they they increase the frequency of
your testing. So that's where we are now, right? But filtration may not be needed, which would be the larger cost. Yeah, exactly. It may not be needed. Um I mean, there's ways so there's way there's ways operational ways around it, right? We can bring in a cooler or a smaller filter. That's what I'm saying is we already say don't drink the water
here. So I mean, right, but there may be grand opportunities. Well, right now there are way water. No. So they better be able to drink when it says I'm going to get it. I don't know. in the bathroom and I'm like, I'm not drinking that. They had a they had a bacteria thing a few months ago. Yeah. They said don't drink it for a couple of weeks, but I
don't honestly almost nobody drinks the water here anyway. Exactly. That's what I Yeah. Well, I think that the only thing is the library has the bottle station upstairs. Correct. I think there's one in at TWWB also. There could be. I know. I seem to recall Ellen
mentioning that. I'm thinking that it would be a lot simpler and cheaper to filtrate a bottle dispenser than it would be a whole building. Yeah. Yeah. Understand that. But I mean, if they're going to say, you know, the bathroom sinks also need to be part of the filtering system. Yeah. I Well, they're
not saying anything yet. So, again, right now, it's a warning because we're not at a limit thing and the way the EPA is going right now, they could increase the limit to 40 for all I know. So, getting back to to town meeting, I
was wondering if if um if you agree if the library trustes and the parks and rec commission would speak in favor of the article at town meeting. 100%. Unfortunately, um two of us will be on
vacation. I think um Kathy Roford will be there. Um that's we have to cancel all vacation leave. Wouldn't that be nice? Well, even if the even if the
trustees aren't available to speak, if a spokesman for the library could say that the trustees voted to endorse this, that would at least be helpful. you know, even if it's Ellen or whoever, you know, just just to make sure that they
understand that you people are in favor of it if you are. I'm thinking um most likely Kathy Roford. Yeah. So, because we have three we have three votes on the on the school. We got one to change the which I'm not sure we really need to do,
but change the use of the the property and that's two/3s vote. That's a twothirds vote. And then we have the move cost. And then we have the uh renovation cost. And I think I'm hoping that Rick allows the discussion
of all three articles before the vote on any of them just so everybody understands what's going on. What's happening? Yeah. And really the other two are predicated on the first one, right? honestly because if you don't I know your your
thoughts on that but technically if you don't change the usage right why spend the money well I would say if the usage one fails you go ahead with the appropriations the usage ones are two/3s the appropriations are majority and once the money is
appropriated I would consider reconsideration on the usage one there might be people who are just voting against usage change because they're cheap and when they find out that the money's been appropriated anyway and we have Don's argument that we can we don't
need your stinking choose change then we could probably get that vote of course that's a question for the moderator but yes and the thing is if you don't make I mean the fact is if we did we I don't think we needed but if we did need to change then and if it's voted no then
you have a building that's vacant because it can't be used for anything else but a school and so what are you going to do with this huge 77,000 and we still need building and we still need to ensure and we still need to maintain it. But you're predicating your whole argument on the fact that people are logical and reasonable. Yeah, I know,
right? Well, again, it's going to cost 5 million to bring this up to and I think that should be I think was it seven the number? I Well, I think the original need was almost 5 million, but the overall was much larger. But just to bring this up to to
standards or n million. So I think it needs to be presented kind of in that manner as well. Doesn't solve the space problem. Still doesn't solve, right? And the ADA compliance, right? Solve that for 7 million. Seriously, that's that's what the
elevator, it right. N almost 9 million. Crazy. Yeah. Jeez, you guys keep raising the prices. Well, that was two years ago also, right? So, the price is already up, right? Whether you like it or not. All right. Uh, we already did the finance review. I guess I have one more
question on TWWB. Uh, Brian, the there was some talk about I think it was BHB maybe capping off one of the wells because we don't need have that much usage for the wells. Is that still a thing or um there was a uh I'll have to follow
back up with it was between Finn the health agent and mass D about I I think the concern was maybe [Music] the it it related to the size of the it all came up was related to the size of
the septic system. This is recorded right? um related to the size of the septic system and whether that needed to be permitted by mass D or not. Um what and so if it was permitted by mass D,
the wells within a certain distance of a system of X amount of size, right? So it probably it there may be some conflict there between the location of the well and the system of that size. So, um I think the plan was is that there was
going to be some new calculations based on our planned occupancy of the building which would bring the usage of the system down so there we would resolve that that conflict. Does that make sense? But it's an existing system. Why are they even Why is that question even
brought up? Like why isn't it in compliance already? Why is why is the question even brought up? That's that that's that's the whole thing is mass DP probably should have been permitting it the whole time and they've been using but they haven't been so I don't know and they've been they've been using the building they've had offices in there
and and yeah probably an issue from I don't know how it slipped through the cracks there no trespassing sign out there don't want property so this is what this is what they don't know issue even if they shut one down I want to keep it active possibly for irrigation
No, the the issue is to keep the water level for the septic down. It's not right. It's not irrigating. No matter if it so much water on the ground. I think we're way off in the weeds. Dan, you never should have brought that up. No,
no. I just But that's Dan, you never should have brought that up. Thank you. Been brought up before. All right. Is there any anything else? We ready to go? I I I got one thing,
please. We have money s the historical commission has money sitting in CPA for the research to submit for a national register district for the village.
Now the state is saying we have to jump through more hoops because we they don't want to see the thing until we completely survey the whole
town and that's going to be expensive. We have this building here, the townhouse, which is very historic. I know it would be I know it's national register eligible by
itself and I was thinking maybe we could convince them that we could do a national register individual building for the townhouse which would allow and it takes
a couple of years to get this through the whole state and and federal government. But it's also a big draw for developers if and when or should the
townhouse ever be should the town ever decide that we wanted to sell it because a developer gets a I think it's a 25% um tax.
It's a credit tax credit from the federal government and 20 or 25% from the state. And this that would make this building incredibly more
uh lucrative for a developer. Brian, you had a meeting. Do you want to share that with the appraiser? Oh, with the commercial realtor, right? Yeah. that we talked about last month. Yes. Yeah. Just that it's it's not he doesn't think it's going to attract
the the thing that will the thing that would worry me about your proposal, Connie, is that we haven't determined uh what we're going to do with this building yet. We could sell it. We could reuse it for something for town purposes or we could tear it down. If we went
with your proposal, it would limit our options. No, it wouldn't. You couldn't tear it down? Yes, you could. You know, why would Okay. Well, if you tear it down, it comes off at the register. Oh, well. Anyhow, that sounds like a phase B thing at this point. Yeah. You know,
it will come up at town meeting, I'm sure. What are you going to do with the old town hall? I think the board's been pretty clear that there is a tremendous projected expense in keeping this building running. And I think as I think
was said before, even if you fixed everything, you don't fix the space problem. You have no growth. Heck, you can't fit what we have now. So the move is the move. We got off, you know, we got off the dime and that's what's going to happen. What we do with this building
after that, as the guy shared, it hasn't got a lot of value in its current state because anybody who takes it for commercial purpose has to fix everything just like the town would have had to for private use. It's not exactly the most conducive layout to some private use
either. And there may also be some fixing that needs to be done for even a private use. So I think he said it was worth the value was a dollar. He wasn't sure if we were going to get a dollar or pay a dollar. So and he wasn't interested in the
commission on a dollar. Yeah. No. Well, this this building is a good building for redevelopment. I would imagine a developer would come in and completely pretty much I mean there are
some things that you want to keep on the inside, but the the envelope is in decent shape. I mean, if we were tear this down,
just the cost of and and ecologically to get rid of everything here, I I don't know. I I could see a developer coming in and now it's on a a ton of levels, which
is ridiculous. I mean, you have to go up and down and up and down and up and down. With all due respect, we could speculate on this. The commercial realtor didn't see it originally, but obviously it's something we're going to look at. See if we can find somebody who would
give us a reasonable offer and make this a viable space. But we can't we don't have that information here. No, we we have a and I mean my feeling is we have we have enough talent in town people who know these things that you could you could create a development committee and say okay let's look at this for a year
or two what we're going to do with this building. I see in some other towns when they're old town houses, what they do is if a developer wants to come in, they say the price, look it, we'll wave the real estate taxes on that thing for 10 years. If you develop it and get people to move in, make apartments or condos or
or or what what do they call these? Um, you know, we we have a lot of people who do home occupations and you could have office spaces in here. So, incubators. Yeah, incubators. So, there's things you could do. So I mean that's create a development committee just to look just to look at this building and no I
understand with us yes it would be enclosed and no one see the storage units still complain but it's still this thing where it's look it's residentially zoned it may be just as valuable with no building on it. Yeah, make a park. I I
don't think we have Central Park. We don't have We don't have the information to make those kind of decisions. But but I think we do have the information to make the decision to move because there's so much that needs to be done here. And even if you did it, it would prove it. And you know what? And if you
said, "Look, okay, we're going to spend the 9 million." Well, what are you going to do in the meantime when there's three years of construction in here? You're you're going to have to go somewhere where the offices. Yeah. And and Don, I think politically the argument that you just made about we have plenty of talented people in this town. Let's take
a year, let's study it, let's find the highest best. I think that's the argument for town meeting when they ask what we're doing with this building. I think that was well said. Okay. So, uh, I I just want to say that I thought these meetings were all very productive
and and I think it really gave us a path to go where we're headed here and I appreciate everyone for their participation and their comments. Everything done. So, with that said, um, this little ad hoc committee or whatever
you want to call it, um, will we be dismanting then after this meeting or after town meeting? What's the feeling? Well, I think we need to reconsider. I mean, the vote will affect our path going forward, I I think we wait till after the the
meeting and see and then maybe we want to meet again to talk about this building. You know, yeah. Yeah, it's a reasonable working selectman's meeting, but it's a reasonable working group. Yeah, but I'm asking what their what their thoughts are. It might help with next steps to have varied input. You
know, I'm sure Brian loves coming to these took a couple of steps. Hey, deadlines are good, too. That's true. Meetings like it gives you a deadline to do stuff. Yep. Just have a followup meeting after the
other meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Schedule something, you know, either after the town meeting or after the after election. After the special Actually, the election doesn't affect it. This this project really No. Okay. June first. I think these are good just
to see what's going on in town and everybody has different things that you know building maintenance just just to get together and I would like to thank Brian for coming to us who's probably
the only person in maybe New England who who knows h uh anything about putting a vault in a new in another building. True.
How lucky could we get to have somebody who can who knows all of this stuff, who has done it for weight and now we're getting all of that experience. You're moving the vault. He's going to do it himself. He was on the resume.
Yep. Make sure to lift with your legs, Brian. Yeah. All right. Second. All right. All in favor. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you. Have a good day. Another half. You see, great front wall.
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